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Speaker 1: We are live. It is The Herd. Wherever you may

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Speaker 1: be and however you may be listening. Thanks for making

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Speaker 1: us part of your day. Jamac I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: this this morning when a story broke, is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: all of us have budgets.

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Speaker 3: Most of us have budgets, not everybody, but you can.

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Speaker 1: Kind of tell what people spend their money on by

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Speaker 1: the time they're fifty or sixty, based on the kind

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Speaker 1: of financial situation they're in. You know, I tell my

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Speaker 1: kids all the time, Dad doesn't have a problem with

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Speaker 1: you spending money, spend on.

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Speaker 3: The right stuff, spending on smart stuff.

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Speaker 1: And there's an NFL team that has driven me crazy

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Speaker 1: for about five years, the Pittsburgh Steelers, and breaking news

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Speaker 1: this morning, j Mack.

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Speaker 3: They did it again this morning.

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Speaker 1: So the Steelers can't stop spending money on defense. So

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Speaker 1: this morning, what do you know, bounce around the league guy,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey twenty six and a half million dollars. The

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Speaker 1: Steelers went and got him. Now, they did move off

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Speaker 1: of Minka Fitzpatrick. But Minca is low maintenance, seven million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year, cheaper a leader in the room, not

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Speaker 1: a bounce around the league guy. So the Steelers can't

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Speaker 1: help themselves. Now they're spending seven and a half million

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Speaker 1: dollars more than they were yesterday in the secondary. And

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Speaker 1: for the record, Pittsburgh has led the NFL in defensive

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Speaker 1: spending three years in a row. This will guarantee it's four.

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Speaker 1: The New York Giants and the Steelers spend all their

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Speaker 1: money on defense. You know who spends it on offense?

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Speaker 1: The Rams and the Eagles have the two cheapest defenses today,

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Speaker 1: and the Chiefs spend the most money in the league

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Speaker 1: on offense. Chiefs, Steelers, Rams. What do they have in common? Momentum?

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Speaker 1: Winning perpetually interesting. In the NFL, everybody's got a budget,

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Speaker 1: it's called the cap. Where do you spend their money?

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Speaker 1: I've told my kids my entire life, the two ease,

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Speaker 1: education and experiences. That's where I'm going to spend my

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Speaker 1: money on great memorable things when dad has gone, great

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Speaker 1: memories and to educate. All Right, if you're spending on

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Speaker 1: going to be able to tell over time you didn't

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Speaker 1: they're moving off Mika Fitzpatrick, who didn't have a great

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Speaker 1: I mean he was like fifty second ranked safety. A

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Speaker 1: they're number one in defensive spending and they don't have

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Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey two things. He's a very very loose player.

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Speaker 1: That's why the Rams moved off him. They wouldn't bad

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Speaker 1: mouth him publicly. But he's kind of an independent guy

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Speaker 3: He was loose, he made mistakes.

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Speaker 1: When the Rams got him, I thought at his he

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Speaker 1: So there's just a lot of people in life, and

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Speaker 1: It's almost as if the Steelers, trying to solve their

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Speaker 1: They added Hassan Reddick, didn't really need him, and then

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Speaker 1: he used to be on defense and is not an

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Speaker 1: that's what the Steelers did this morning. I could have

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Speaker 1: a bounce around the league guy now and the seven

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Speaker 1: pre TJ Watt contract not good. Let's talk about something

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Speaker 1: that is good. So we are one year away. I

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Speaker 1: this is the best group of talent we've ever had

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Speaker 1: But we were on a four game skid before the

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Speaker 1: is we don't have a goalie. Before yesterday we didn't

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Speaker 1: have a goalie, and last night we finally found one.

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Speaker 1: Matt Freeze, who may have struggled for a moment against Haiti,

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Speaker 1: but against Costa Rica in the shootout, he was absolutely brilliant.

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Speaker 1: First of all, Matt Freeze in the shootout three different

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Speaker 1: he got his hand on it. So say what you

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Speaker 1: want about shootouts. I hear people they're not real soccer.

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Speaker 1: Yes they are, Yes they are. They're better than our

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Speaker 1: and they're all about execution. And that's the one thing

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Speaker 1: we were worried about with Team USA without Christian Polisic.

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Speaker 1: Because when you have.

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Speaker 3: Polisic, it always seems to work.

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Speaker 1: So tip of the cap to Tyler Adams and Malik

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Speaker 1: Tillman and Alex Freeman and Damian Downs.

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Speaker 3: But we did not have a goalie.

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Speaker 1: In fact, on the pregame show, our guys were saying

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Speaker 1: not always great with Jeff's feet. But Matt Freeze, after

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Speaker 1: that Haiti moment where he froze, you're thinking we're not

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Speaker 1: good enough to be bad and the nets, We're just

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Speaker 1: not good enough. Matt Freeze yesterday the greatest moment in

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Speaker 1: the entire Gold Cup, not just for us. It was

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Speaker 1: tension filled and by the way, wasn't the world last

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Speaker 1: World Cup decided.

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Speaker 3: By p case.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna I'm not going to spend some time

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Speaker 1: debating whether or not shootouts matter. They're all about execution

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Speaker 1: and that's what wins in the World Cup. Details goaltending

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Speaker 1: and execution. And also on Mauricio Pochettino, it should be

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Speaker 1: noted made three changes to the lineup and two of

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Speaker 1: as we're onto the semis, regardless of what happens next,

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Speaker 1: you have a sense of execution. We found our goalie,

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Speaker 1: which is absolutely essential in the World Cup. And we

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Speaker 1: always talk about offensive lines in the NFL. You're just

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Speaker 1: not going to win a Super Bowl with a battle line.

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has been blown out twice in his career,

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Speaker 1: like he humiliated twice in Super Bowls when the O

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Speaker 1: line was a mess. You can't win a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with a bad old line. And you're not winning a

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Speaker 5: Penalties are my thing.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: I've been the plane ride over here to UH to

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Speaker 5: Minnesota and I was studying the penalties and so you know,

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Speaker 5: I've been stunning them all week and I was ready

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Speaker 5: I didn't didn't move on suggestion from my goalkeeper coach

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Speaker 5: reason I saved his made.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta tell you, j Mac, there's very few

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Speaker 1: things in sports in America globally that are more riveting

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Speaker 1: then when you go to PKS. I'm sitting there for

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Speaker 1: ten minutes and I'm in the world stops and it

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Speaker 1: was like a real moment, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: when Burholter's son misses, I'm like, oh, no, this is

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Speaker 3: No, this can't happen.

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Speaker 1: But our guys delivered and it was about as good

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Speaker 3: So tip of the cap to our guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's be real.

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Speaker 6: They are heavy favorites in the semifinals against Guatemala. Yes,

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Speaker 6: and we're looking at a USA Mexico final, which would

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Speaker 6: be incredible obviously for the country.

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Speaker 4: For soccer fans.

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Speaker 6: I will say soccer purists, Colin, they hate pks as

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Speaker 6: an ending, Yeah, they're like all this running around for

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Speaker 6: two you know, two hours and we end up penalty kicks.

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Speaker 4: So silly, But you're right, thrilling television, just gripping.

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Speaker 1: Well, remember, if you run around for two hours, the

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Speaker 1: last thing that's going to decided is running around for

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Speaker 1: another fifteen minutes. This is soccer, perhaps not at its

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Speaker 1: purest form, but in its most crucial form of execution.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when you watch the great teams that win

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Speaker 1: the World Cup, goal scores and goalkeeping decide World Cups.

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Speaker 1: That's what decides it. The great attacker, the great score,

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Speaker 1: and somebody makes a great save and you put them

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Speaker 1: up front, up close and personal. This is what's going

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Speaker 1: to decide this match. And again, if you go ninety

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Speaker 1: minutes and you're tied, often in the blazing sun, I

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Speaker 1: don't need you to play longer. I want execution, and

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Speaker 1: their team USA deliberate it.

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Speaker 6: Let me quickly add you know, we talked about like, hey,

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Speaker 6: this is the B team with some C guys.

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Speaker 4: They're not going to be in the World Cup.

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Speaker 6: Freeze just made a case to Potchata. Yeah, hey, man,

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Speaker 6: I know Matt Turner is a guy I won in.

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Speaker 6: I want a legitimate shot. Yeah, and Diego Luna has

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Speaker 1: Colin Wright, Colin Wrang, top of Next Hour forty minutes away,

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Speaker 1: plus Matt Hasselbeck. It is a Monday and a lot

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Speaker 6: Right, My friend, let's get started with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Colin.

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Speaker 6: They're hoping the old Aaron Rodgers shows up this season.

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Speaker 9: I would take Karon and his prime over Patrick Now,

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Speaker 4: Up with a better career. That's undeniable. All right, let's

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Speaker 6: Sauce Gardner angling become one of the highest paid players

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Speaker 6: Let me let everybody know what Coach Prime said back

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Speaker 1: Well, sauce Gardner did not have a great year, and

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Speaker 6: probably pay Sauce in that category of j c Orr.

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Speaker 3: Before the last season.

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Speaker 1: Before last season, when they hit on two rookies, the

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Speaker 1: Eagles had below average corners, they really had a bad secondary.

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Speaker 1: They kept ending up an NFC championship. The Rams right now,

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Speaker 1: probably the biggest weakness I would say is corner and

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Speaker 1: their defense is unbelievable. I think the league's gotten really smart.

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Speaker 1: I think it's you can't press guys like you used to.

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Speaker 1: You can't touch them after two or three yards. I

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Speaker 1: think having a great corner you can marginalize that position,

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Speaker 1: and how many great corners want to tackle on run plays.

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Speaker 3: Not that many.

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Speaker 4: That's a good point. I will add the first great

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Speaker 4: year he had Robert.

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Speaker 6: Sala's defense, Robert Salah great defensive mastermind. Last year he's

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Speaker 6: bounced in a month, and Sauce did not end up

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Speaker 6: playing as great.

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Speaker 4: Final story, coll Let's go to the.

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Speaker 6: NBA, where the Celtics continue to flow with trading Jalen

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Speaker 6: Brown or Derek White.

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Speaker 4: In regards to White, how about this one.

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Speaker 6: Reports indicate Boston is looking for a mckail bridges like return.

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Speaker 6: Remember bridges cost four unprotected ones and a pick swap

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Speaker 6: and another verse. So if you want Derek White, you're

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Speaker 6: not getting him on the team. They think he's worth

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Speaker 6: McHale bridges. I don't necessarily agree with that, but White's

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Speaker 6: resume is pretty good, and let's be honest, well, Bridges,

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Speaker 6: he's not like.

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Speaker 4: An all NBA guy.

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Speaker 1: I really like Derek White. I think he's a varied

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Speaker 1: three and D guy. If he's an excellent three point shooter.

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Speaker 1: He's also the other thing about Derek White, J mack.

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Speaker 1: He's played now in a lot of big games, pressurized games.

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Speaker 1: The Celtics those games. Boston's a hard place to play

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. So he's played in big games. Excellent

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Speaker 1: three point shooter, he has these knives where he explodes,

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Speaker 1: like you can get thirty points out of Derek White

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't shop you. Excellent defender, good locker room guy,

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Speaker 1: doesn't need the ball.

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Speaker 3: He's a team guy.

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Speaker 1: You never hear anything about Derek White. He's been a grinder.

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Speaker 1: He didn't come in, you know, five star athlete. I

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Speaker 1: think he's just a really underrated NBA player.

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Speaker 6: You know where he fits perfect, it won't happen. But Detroit,

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Speaker 6: they're losing Malik Beasley, the great shooter that they had

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Speaker 6: last year. They need a shooting, a shooting play defense

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Speaker 6: to Kate cunning him. Derek White would make all the sense.

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Speaker 4: Yea there, I just can't.

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Speaker 6: I don't see Detroit giving up like four ones for

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Speaker 6: Derek White.

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Speaker 1: Like, well, they've go out. I mean, that's weal a

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Speaker 1: good point. So they've got their one in Kate cunning Him,

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Speaker 1: they've got their centerpiece. Derek White would be their second

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Speaker 1: best player. I'd rather be my third. Yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 1: but again, you're developing young players. If Derek's your third,

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Speaker 1: you're a very good playoff team. If he's your second,

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Speaker 1: you may not be. But he's he made all NBA

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Speaker 1: defense now I think the last two years.

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Speaker 8: So he is an.

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Speaker 1: Elite long, hard, hard working, focused defensive player who won

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Speaker 1: any night, can give you twenty seven.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and this I remember we talked about the Lakers

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Speaker 6: maybe going after him or Austin Reeves would then be

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Speaker 6: their fourth best. But the Lakers are not giving up

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Speaker 6: four first round picks for Derek White.

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Speaker 1: They well, if you gave up old Austin Reeves, you

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Speaker 1: have yourself.

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Speaker 6: We're not parting with Austin Reeves in a Derek White deal.

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Speaker 3: What do they need?

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Speaker 4: I would take Giannis for you, Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 1: I would give up Derek White. I would give up

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves for Derek White tomorrow, because you know what,

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Speaker 1: Derek White solves your wing defensive hole. I mean that

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Speaker 1: the Lakers need at least two bigs because they have

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Speaker 1: one and the coach doesn't like it.

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Speaker 3: They need too bigs. You're not getting those for.

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Speaker 1: Free, and you absolutely have to upgrade at wing defender.

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Speaker 6: You may get one for free at player was just

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Speaker 6: released here we'll talk about it next hour.

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Speaker 3: A big yeah, I was sure it's a chemo lodge

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Speaker 3: at one level. S J.

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Speaker 1: Mack with the News, Well, that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by the herd Line News. You know it's

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Speaker 1: funny because because Austin Reeves plays for the Lakers, he's

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Speaker 1: viewed up here. Derek White's a better defender by far

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Speaker 1: and a better three point.

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Speaker 3: Shooter, and the Lakers need both.

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Speaker 1: So if you told me Austin Derek White straight trade,

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Speaker 1: I would do it in one second. And that's not

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Speaker 1: a knock on Austin Reeve. Derek White maybe the most

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Speaker 1: underrated player in the league. He may be the most

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Speaker 1: underrated player in league. I think Boston knows it. And

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Speaker 1: Boston saying the league may underrate him, we don't. We

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Speaker 1: want four unprotecteds. So I saw this story. Listen, here's

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Speaker 1: all we do for a living. There's football season and

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Speaker 1: waiting for football season. So I would be the first

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Speaker 1: to admit that when I see one of these tantaalizing

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Speaker 1: NFL topics, I can't.

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Speaker 3: Get my teeth off it.

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Speaker 1: So A Saquon Barkley had said this, who right now

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Speaker 1: when McCaffrey's healthy I think he's the best running back

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Speaker 1: in the league. But I think Saquan has been healthy

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Speaker 1: more often, so he's probably viewed as the best running

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Speaker 1: back in the league. He said, I never heard a

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Speaker 1: word from the Commanders or the Dallas Cowboys when I

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Speaker 1: was available, So I'll give the Commanders a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a pass. New ownership a lot of moving parts.

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Speaker 1: I'll give them a little pass. But the Cowboys had

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Speaker 1: the worst running back room in the league, and they

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Speaker 1: didn't make a phone call on Derrick Henry or sat

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Speaker 1: Kawan Barkley, and we were talking about this this morning.

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Speaker 1: I've never owned a Maserati, but the Cowboys and Maseratis

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Speaker 1: are that luxury brand that feel like they've been way

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Speaker 1: too much time in the shop, And right now, I

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Speaker 1: think it's hard for people to wrap their brains around

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Speaker 1: I think Dallas is a bottom quarter, bottom fifth NFL franchise,

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Speaker 1: but because they've been such a luxury brand, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to wrap your brain around that. Like you think the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys and you think winning. But right now, I would

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Speaker 1: argue weakest head coach in the sport and not a

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Speaker 1: very good overall staff, because the weaker the coach, the

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Speaker 1: weaker the staff he can assemble. They have not had

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Speaker 1: back to back hits in a draft for five years,

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Speaker 1: and that was the Cede Lamb first round, Trayvon Digg's

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Speaker 1: second round. Those are great, those were good hits. That's

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Speaker 1: the last time they did that. So in terms of

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Speaker 1: drafting and development and execution, strategic execution in the front

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Speaker 1: office and coaching staff. You know, this has been my

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Speaker 1: three year narrative. They're not well run. And they were

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Speaker 1: not in the Dereck Henry market. And remember I didn't

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Speaker 1: I wasn't gravy training on this. I said the Derrick

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Speaker 1: Henry move six months before it happened.

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Speaker 3: I said, you got it.

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Speaker 1: They need Dereck Henry to help Dak Henry goes to

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Speaker 1: Baltimore crushes and now we've we've since learned they couldn't

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Speaker 1: afford him right. Well, now with this Michael Parsons thing coming,

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Speaker 1: this huge contract, I just think their strategy and execution.

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Speaker 3: Is really poor.

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Speaker 1: And this is what I was on with the Lakers

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Speaker 1: for seven or eight years, is that it was mom

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Speaker 1: and pop. There were too many friends of the Bus

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Speaker 1: family in the building. You need outside eyes. When the

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Speaker 1: Lions lose both their coordinators, Aaron Glenn goes to the Jets,

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Speaker 1: and then Ben Johnson bears. My take was, you can't

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Speaker 1: hire from within the building. These were arguably the two

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Speaker 1: best coordinators in the league. The answer can't be in

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Speaker 1: the building. At least one of those moves. One of

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Speaker 1: those coordinators got to go outside the building. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers never go outside the building. It's always

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Speaker 1: friends of Jason Garrett, Brian Schottenheimer, it's always friends of

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Speaker 1: So it's it's I mean, for years, Dan Snyder was

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Speaker 1: such an awful owner in division that it kind of

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Speaker 1: didn't matter if Dallas made a mistake because everybody sort

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Speaker 1: of acknowledged he's not Dan Snyder. Dan's now been dismissed,

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Speaker 1: basically forced out, rightfully sold by the NFL. And now

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Speaker 1: you're seeing now it's a different kind of dysfunction. But

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Speaker 1: since two thousand, not that long ago, teams that have

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Speaker 1: more postseason wins than the Cowboys. When you think I'm

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Speaker 1: hyperbolic here, since two thousand, the Jets, Bengals, Titans, Cardinals, Panthers.

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Speaker 3: Have more playoff wins.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just saying it to say it, like Saquon

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Speaker 1: Barkley's like, yeah, I didn't hear from him. Wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: just call him to keep them away from Philadelphia or

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Speaker 1: drive the price up or something. I mean, wouldn't you

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Speaker 1: just Sometimes I've seen this in network television. You may

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Speaker 1: not want a sporting event. I can remember when I

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Speaker 1: was at the other place. The other place didn't really

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Speaker 1: want the Olympics, but they wanted to drive the price

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Speaker 1: up so NBC would pay more for the Olympics. I

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Speaker 1: can remember that very well. Sometimes you get involved in

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Speaker 1: negotiations just to be annoying to your rivals, just to

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Speaker 1: make them do extra paperwork.

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Speaker 3: I've heard coaches say this before.

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Speaker 1: They'll run a trick play in a blowout win, like

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Speaker 1: if they feel comfortable in lead, just to put it

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Speaker 1: on film so the other team has to worry about

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Speaker 1: it and practice against it. They're gonna waste practice time

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Speaker 1: on that. I think you get into the Derek. I

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Speaker 1: think you get into the Saquon Bark market just to

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Speaker 1: make it difficult in case Philadelphia would want to sign in,

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Speaker 1: which they did.

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Speaker 3: Colin Wright, Colin Wrong.

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Speaker 1: Top of Next Hour, It's The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noone Easter not a empacific.

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Speaker 1: Jmak just told me during the break he wants to

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Speaker 1: play a little trivia here. So I just said, I

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Speaker 1: have defended Lebron, you know, and this could be our

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Speaker 1: last Lebron topic for a while. I've defended Lebron for

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Speaker 1: years that he's a winning player, He's more magic than Michael.

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Speaker 1: He elevates teammates, he doesn't get in trouble. I'm a

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Speaker 1: Lebron fan. Who's the best ever, I don't really care.

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Speaker 1: They're different players totally. Kobe was more Michael, Lebron's more magic.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 1: But there have been moments where I feel like Lebron's

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Speaker 1: not being totally honest with us. Like the whole Ring

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Speaker 1: culture arguments like Lebron. It's a strong argument. We all

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Speaker 1: know Barkley's great, but the reason he isn't as good

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Speaker 1: as you or Michael or magic is you guys do

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Speaker 1: have a lot of rings. Rings do matter, and everybody

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Speaker 1: knows it. Also, you can't tell me it's about winning

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Speaker 1: when you take the Max. By the way, Kobe Bryant

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Speaker 1: took the Max. But Owas said, I'm not given. I

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Speaker 1: may love the Bus family, I'm not giving them discounts.

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Speaker 1: Players shouldn't give discounts. Just be honest with me. Kobe

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Speaker 1: was always upfront about that. Lebron tends to be a

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Speaker 1: little you know, it's a little passive aggressive.

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Speaker 3: I want to win.

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Speaker 1: Well, not really, because this team needs two centers and

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Speaker 1: probably now two wing defenders. That's why I would make

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Speaker 1: an Austin for Derek White trade. But okay, so you

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Speaker 1: were gonna ask me a trivia question about salary.

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Speaker 6: Well, okay, so I brought up the salary because this idea,

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Speaker 6: and I'm not saying you're saying this, but this idea,

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Speaker 6: Lebron should just take less if he wants to win.

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Speaker 6: That's really nonsense. Okay, Kobe demanded to be the number

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Speaker 6: one paid player Lebron last year. Can you guess where

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Speaker 6: he ranked in salary last season alone? And I'll give

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Speaker 6: you Steff Curry was the leader at a fifty five

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Speaker 6: million dollar captain.

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Speaker 1: Well, remember, because a lot of people had contracts negotiated

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Speaker 1: last year with new CBA, I'd say it's probably fifteenth

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Speaker 1: last year.

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, that's pretty good.

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Speaker 6: Lebron was the fourteenth highest paid player last year, after

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Speaker 6: just legends such as Bradley Beal, Carl Anthony Towns, Damian Lillard,

657
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Speaker 6: like Lebron's already making less than them.

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Speaker 4: I just don't want to hear this.

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Speaker 6: Hey, just take less lebra Well, it doesn't apply to Otani,

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Speaker 6: it doesn't apply to Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: The difference is Lebron's already a billionaire number one, and

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Speaker 1: you're giving me awful contracts and saying, well, Lebron's isn't

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Speaker 1: that bad.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, this shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: Lebron is thoughtful, he's smart, he's a billionaire, he's got

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Speaker 1: a production company, he's got a shoe deal. So Lebron

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Speaker 1: can't be held the cat's standard. So if the Knicks

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00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: are also a bad franchise that had to make deals,

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Speaker 1: Lebron now is in the cat bird seat, I would say,

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Speaker 1: for fifteen years in this league, like Brady. At the end,

671
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Brady was making money endorsements. His wife was worth three

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Speaker 1: four hundred million dollars at the time or more. So

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Speaker 1: you couldn't compare Brady to like anybody else. It might

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Speaker 1: take his Listen, if Lebron wants to win. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, if Lebron came out and just said, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking pay cuts, all players should get the

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Speaker 1: most they can because these guys are all billionaires. I

678
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Speaker 1: am totally okay with that, but I don't want the

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Speaker 1: press release to say, hey, it's about winning Okac's roster.

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Speaker 3: Lakers aren't close.

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00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 8: Well, they're not.

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Speaker 3: They're not. They have nine young no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: no no no.

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Speaker 1: They have two functional centers, nine guys they trust on

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Speaker 1: the floor in the finals. Lakers do not have a

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Speaker 1: trustable big guy from the coaching staff.

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Speaker 4: Hertenstein is their highest paid player, like they look it.

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Speaker 1: But again, because they're not paying anybody else, the Lakers

689
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Speaker 1: are different.

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Speaker 3: You're like, you're looking to win the argument.

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Speaker 1: Luca is guaranteed two forty this summer, right, okay, And

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Speaker 1: Luca is a guy that we're hoping he's healthy and

693
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Speaker 1: in shape. So the bottom line is the Okase has

694
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Speaker 1: two functional centers.

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00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: The Lakers have none.

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00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 4: None.

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Speaker 1: You cannot win the West against jokicch against OKC size.

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00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: This is a golden state's running into. Okay, you can

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00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: pay Raymond and Steph you have no size. You have

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Speaker 1: to go pay for bigs.

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Speaker 6: Well a, you can't have it all. That's just not

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Speaker 6: realistic unless you look into it. Like the thunder did

703
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 6: building a team in struggling. But Kain, let me just

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Speaker 6: bring this up. You you've said eloquently that Lebron really

705
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 6: ushered in the player empowerment erap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.

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00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 6: Do you know what it would look like if Lebron said, hey,

708
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 6: I'll take thirty mil, it would be doing the opposite.

709
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 6: That would be a sign to every veteran in the league, Hey,

710
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Speaker 6: don't get your money.

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Speaker 4: Take left.

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00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 6: Well, Lebron took less. He put up twenty four, eight

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Speaker 6: and seven.

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Speaker 4: You ain't doing that.

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00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 6: Take lefe and it would be like the opposite, and

716
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 6: it would look pretty bad for players.

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Speaker 1: Would you not agree, Well, then don't release time and

718
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: time again the press release saying it's all about winning championships.

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00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: Sports fans have always had, in my opinion, a better

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Speaker 1: beat on stuff like this than actual media, which tends

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00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: to protect players like the fans know. The fans can

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00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: see it. The ring culture stuff. Silly argument and it's

723
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: all about winning.

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00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: No, it's not.

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00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Austin Reeves is a better player than a

726
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: lot of guys. Maybe in the league, he's not better

727
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: than Derek White. Make the deal, give up picks if

728
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: it's all about winning Lebron's last great year. Lebron is

729
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: now saying I got one year left. He's saying that

730
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: one or two year if you've got one or two years.

731
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: Austin reeves, no center Lebron at forty one forty two

732
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 1: and LUCA is not a championship team in the West.

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Speaker 4: Hey, let me ask you this.

734
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 6: Since the report came out that Lebron is going to

735
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 6: opt in, notice if the Lakers have not said anything,

736
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 6: it's been twenty four hours. Are you surprised by that

737
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 6: because everybody's just assume, Okay, it's a done deal. To me,

738
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 6: it's the Lakers not really confirming it yet. Means maybe

739
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 6: this isn't a done deal.

740
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 4: I don't know.

741
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 6: Does it leave the door open for some something?

742
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: Well, if you go look at the Mark Walter group,

743
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: first thing they did with the Dodgers get better upstairs

744
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: in the front office. They got Andrew Friedman from Tampa.

745
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna make a move in scouting in the executive suite.

746
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: The second thing the Dodgers have done since the Mark

747
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: Walter group arrived, They'll move off Manny Machado, Zach Grinkey,

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00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: Corey Seeger, Cody Bellinger. They will move off people if

749
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 1: the money and the production and the age isn't right.

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00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: They've done it time and time again. So I'm telling

751
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: you what the Laker is gonna do. Expand the analytics

752
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: and scouting and start moving off some pieces. Mark my words.

753
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: They're always It's amazing the Dodgers have all the money,

754
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: yet they're always seeking the very best of the best.

755
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: They will pay for the very best. So they moved off.

756
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 6: MVPs that Lebron is not with the Lakers next year

757
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 6: and he's somewhere in the East trying to win a title.

758
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 6: It sounds like he can't go to Cleveland. The money

759
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 6: can't be made, right, But I don't know. There's some

760
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 6: excellent guys out there. Do you think he's out on

761
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 6: the Lakers like five percent?

762
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: Ten?

763
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: Oh. I'm just telling you that the Bus family needed

764
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Kobe and Lebron for merchandise sales and tickets. They were

765
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: the poorest or one of the poorest ownership groups. Believe

766
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: it or not, the Lakers were. Steve Balmer's the richest, right.

767
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Steve Balmer makes a billion dollars a year on dividend

768
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: for Microsoft. He makes a billion dollars a year on

769
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: dividend for Microsoft. The Clippers owners the richest in the NBA.

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00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: The Lakers were bottom two or three. The Mark Walters

771
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: group is going to be much more like Ballmer where

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00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: like if they wanted to build their own stadium, they would.

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00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: The Lakers don't need that, obviously, they are going to

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00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: operate differently.

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00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: But right now or do they win a year?

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00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: Now?

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00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: Okay?

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00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: Everything, if I bought a business for ten billion, you

779
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna say, you know, I'm gonna act differently.

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00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 1: In about a year from now, everything is gonna change.

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00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna attack the scouting, the analytics. They're gonna make

782
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: the executive suite the best in the league. I mean,

783
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: when is the last time the Dodgers called them a

784
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: minor leaguer and they weren't exceptional, Like.

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Speaker 3: They just don't miss on anything.

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Speaker 6: It feels unlikely that they would the Lakers would move

787
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 6: off an international global icon right now. I know Luca is,

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00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 6: you know, a superstar in the future of the Lakers,

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00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 6: but moving off Lebron would be a massive surprise to me.

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Speaker 1: Like, I'm not predicting it, I'm just saying, unlike the

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00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: previous owners, they could and not lose a second of sleep. Now,

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00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: the NBA culture is different than base Baseball's got like

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00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: ten year deals. Baseball ten the romanticize and lean into

794
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: the past, but the Dodgers don't. The Dodgers run their

795
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: operation like an NFL team.

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00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: What did you do last week? Not good enough?

797
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: We're upgrading. That's not what baseball teams do. Baseball teams

798
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: tend to lean into the past, understand the romance, the

799
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: lore of history, all that stuff. Dodgers don't. You can

800
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: be an MVP trading deadline off to a bad start.

801
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: We're getting draft picks and a better player. They'll move off.

802
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: They just and by the way, that's how you should

803
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: run a franchise that are now valued at ten billion dollars.

804
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure we're hyper efficient and only pay

805
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: for the very best call on right, wrong, next,