WEBVTT - Part Two: Abortion and its Defenders: From Weimar to the Bay 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:06.480 Cool Zone Media. Hello, and welcome to Cool People, the 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:10.760 Cool Cool Thing with the snow. There's only forward. I'm 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.280 your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and this is a podcast about 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.840 cool people did cool stuff with this title that probably 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:18.040 is the same as what I just said. And my 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.599 guest today is the host of cool Stuff your mom 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.840 wasn't cool enough to know about, Samantha mcfae. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.400 I love this. Thank you so much. I'm so glad 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:32.440 to be back on with y'all. This makes me Yeah, 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:33.520 this is well. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.240 I guess I should do the rest of the introductions 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.040 with me. Today is my producer, who's always been my producer. 0:00:38.120 --> 0:00:40.519 We've always been at war with Oceania. Okay, No, I 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.519 shouldn't do that make people think that Sharen is a 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.680 permanent producer. Sharen is standing in today for Sophie because 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.560 Sharen is awesome. The producers sharene Hi Serene. 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.720 I'm technically a producer because I do book the show, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.520 so I am a producer. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:54.440 That's true. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.920 She's booked all my shows for you. Hell yeah, I 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:59.600 think that's something I have done. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.520 No, but I'm here and I like the three of us. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:06.400 I feel like this is a very safe space. You 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.039 know what I mean like, I feel very safe with 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:10.280 both of y'all. This is a nice little trio we have. 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.320 Yeah, I like it. Let's just stay here. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:14.760 Yeah, just stay, just just talk. 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:18.039 Yeah, this is now a twenty four to seven live podcast. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:19.480 You'll be able to hear us sleep. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.160 I grind my teeth. I'm sorry in advance. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:28.680 It's fine. I can go back to sleep. 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:33.120 Danny stress. Yeah, it's attress anyway. 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.360 Well, the other person who has to stress about the 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:41.199 show is Daniel, our audio engineer. Hi, Daniel, Hi, Danel Trian. 0:01:41.280 --> 0:01:42.840 We can't go forward and take say high Danel. 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.840 Oh Hi, Sorry, I really had a brain fart there. 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.520 I haven't said Oh no, I don't hate that. I'm 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:49.040 saying that again. I said that. That's the second time 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:49.720 I said that week. 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.360 Brain farts out, Uh fog, brain fall. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:58.880 No, no, no glitching. I glitched glitch high Danel, love you, Daniel, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:01:59.880 Thanks Danel. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.080 I met Danel one time, the only time I've ever 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.280 been in the studio in California. A little helped us out. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.520 Yeah, it was the best man. Daniel's the man. 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.840 I bet he doesn't remember us, though, I bet Daniel does. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.239 I would bet money he's the best, he remembers. 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:14.480 Yeah, Hi, Daniel. 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:19.480 Our theme music was written for us by unwoman. And 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.519 this is part two of a two parter, although usually 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:24.919 I say that to be like, well, what the fuck 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:26.519 are you doing? There's no way you coul possibly understand 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:27.960 what I'm about to talk about unless you listen to 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.840 part one, And this time is not really true because 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:35.840 I'm telling two distinct stories on a similar topic. Last time, well, 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:37.840 in some ways, it's just a continuation of the thing 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:39.320 that we talked about a year and a half ago 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.240 when we talked about the Jam Collective, and then on 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.920 Monday we talked about the groups of lay organizations in 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:51.640 Germany that performed a million abortions a year and never 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:56.400 got written about in English history. And now we're going 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:02.280 to talk about California, which no one ever talks about. Actually, yeah, 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.960 where is this? It's this state they made up to 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.280 feature in a new movie called Civil War that comes 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:08.880 out this year. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.840 Oh my god, that's a separate episode altogether. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.200 Are you all going to do an episode sharing's the 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.280 host of It Could Happen Here, which actually talks about 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.360 current events unlike me? Are you all going to talk 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:21.320 about the movie Civil War? 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:22.799 I mean, I would love to. I don't know, I've 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:25.760 got I think it's a Robert question, to be honest. Yeah, okay, 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.320 but that would be really fun. I would like your 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.720 take on it, too, though I have some takes. I 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:31.240 have some takes. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.960 Okay, all right, California, many people have heard of it. 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.640 You are doing something right or at least interesting when 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.800 history remembers you as part of the Army of Three, 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.840 or if people remember you as the first abortion rights 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.360 activists in the US, which again we talked about this 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.680 last time. I am one hundred percent certain these are 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.920 not the first abortion rights activists in the United States. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.560 But you know what, you're doing something right. If people 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.680 remember you that as that, it's not their fault they 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:07.200 got called that. Pat McGinnis, Rowenna Gerner, and Lana Clark Fallan. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.840 In the mid nineteen sixties in the Bay Area, they 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:16.080 set up two complementary organizations. One had the catchy name 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.599 really just I'm just so over how people name things. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:22.520 I guess that's what it really comes down to. They 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.520 set up the Society for Humane Abortion, which is fine, 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.880 it's a SAHA, and they also set up the Association 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:33.480 to Repeal Abortion Laws. Errol and that's fine. Those are 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.880 fine names. Saha was the above ground advocacy arm and 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:42.839 Errol did the crimes when in doubt. Every movement is 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.599 stronger when the illegal and legal components work together to 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:48.240 support each other. And I am the first person to 0:04:48.320 --> 0:04:51.440 ever come up with that idea, get it because first, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:56.040 and I'm totally the first person should be credited. Yeah, absolutely, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:00.520 every now and then people like credit like me with 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.719 having and I'm like, no, I just repeat the stuff 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:10.120 that I've learned from people anyway. Yeah, totally, I invented everything. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.160 It started with Pat. Pat was a white woman who's 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.760 raised Catholic and poor in Ithaca, New York. She was 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.640 born in nineteen twenty eight. She joined the army, and 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:22.600 she got in trouble for hanging out with a black soldier. 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.800 I think they were fucking. It was like fraternizing with 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.880 a black soldier. I assume everything is cod for fucking. 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.159 I don't know whether that's true or not. It's fair, 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.000 and so they like punish her by sending her off 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.760 to some day Like when the state controls you because 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.120 you're in the army, they can just be like, now 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.120 you've got to go work over there or whatever. She 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.200 got out of the army, she moved to the Bay 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:46.240 and by nineteen sixty one she was an abortion rights activist. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.040 And the way she started doing this she just started 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.960 standing on street corners and talking to strangers about abortion. 0:05:52.720 --> 0:05:55.400 She just was like, Hey, you want to talk about 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.560 how it shouldn't be illegal and shouldn't be dangerous to 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.160 have abortions in this country? And people would be like, yeah, okay, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.480 and like, what an it's not outdated? What an old 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.599 fashioned but not outdated way to start making change? 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:09.279 You know? 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:10.120 Yeah. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.279 I feel like she was taking on like old school 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.840 preachers who used to just standing in the middle of 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:16.640 the street and start screaming at you about going to hell. 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:18.400 So she's like, you know what, let me try this 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.600 in my tactic. Let me see do you know about 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.920 abortion and why should be uh legal? 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:27.640 Yeah? Yeah. And it wasn't quite soapboxing, which is that weird. 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.120 I'd learned so much about soapboxing from doing the show, 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.080 because you have people talk about the like literally stand 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.159 out a soapbox. It turns out that was like that 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.159 was just twitter before you had twitters. You would go 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.159 to the public square and there'd be like forty people 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.359 standing on soapboxes. You just go walk around like people 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.480 were really bored before the invention of TV. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.400 You know, they do that at college campuses, or they 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.000 did when I was in college, and that's been that's 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.320 been a minute. That could be around the same time. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.640 But they did that too. There was probably hackey sacking, 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:53.320 did redude. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.480 Oh they were yelling about everybody going to hell oh oh, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:06:59.159 but some of them may be hacky sacking that problem. 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.360 That's about the time frame. Okay, okay, oh, I feel outdated. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.360 I don't know. I just assume that everyone still does 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.240 exactly the same things that we did when we were kids. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.320 Thank you, and I from the same generation, so I 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:11.600 appreciate that you're kind of on point with my life. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.240 And I feel both sad and validated. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:15.640 Yeah, totally. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:17.800 So. 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.840 Pat By nineteen sixty two, she starts a group. I 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:23.480 have a feeling this group is just her, but I'm 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.800 not one hundred percent certain. The Citizens Committee for Humane 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.080 Abortion Laws, And basically her argument was, and this is 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.600 an entirely solid argument, fewer people will die if abortion 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.440 is legalized, and also what if people owned the inside 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.240 of their own bodies, Like she literally phrased it, as 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:45.360 like people own their own internal organs. 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.239 I'm like, points made. 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:51.360 That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, And 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.559 so she started doing media talks and conducted opinion polls 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.480 and shit, and she ran a service where people could 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.080 ask her about abortion by mail, and so like, I 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.760 get it why she's called the first abortion tried activist, 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.840 and like, I'm sure I've covered a lot of people 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:06.360 talking about fairly similar things in the nineteenth century or whatever. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.320 But she was just like on the ground working as 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:13.800 an activist alone, and like, more fucking power to her. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.640 In nineteen sixty four, Rowenna Gerner showed up at her 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.720 apartment just like cold called stranger and was like, hey, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:22.280 I hear you're the lady trying to do something about 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:23.200 abortion that rules. 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:24.920 Can I help make friends? 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:25.080 Oh? 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:25.320 Yeah. 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.160 The subtext here is that she knew where the apartment was. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.320 I think that the like asking questions by mail was 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:38.120 just out of her own apartment. I cannot imagine. I 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:42.520 think that the anti abortion movement didn't really pick up 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.280 speed until the seventies and eighties, you know, because it 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.880 was already illegal. It's so hard for me to wrap 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:50.640 my head around someone not using a po box for 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.240 asking me about crime. Here's my address, you know, right. 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.160 I wonder she thought that much through as much as like, eh, 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.520 this is gonna give everybody a chance to talk to me. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.640 So I was really going to do this. We'll see. 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:05.559 Yeah, she's working great. And the day she shows up, 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.200 she sits down and starts helping with the mail and 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.760 the two started referring people to abortionists and now they're 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.480 doing the crime part. They built a kit that was 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:20.560 a detailed reviews of every provider available, many of whom 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:25.240 were like in Mexico, Puerto Rico, and Japan. Japan actually 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.920 was a routine procedure at this point, whereas in Mexico 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.360 and Puerto Rico is illegal, but it was like easier 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.760 to do, you know. And they provided guidance for how 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.840 to navigate the whole process. That was like here's what 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:39.520 to do in the cab. There's going to be people 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.120 as soon as you ask for this address, the cab 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.040 driver is going to try and like take you to 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.080 a different provider because he gets a cut if you 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:46.960 go to a different provider. Here's how to tell him 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.800 that you're not don't want to go to someone else, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:54.400 you know, and coached people through the process of controlling 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:59.360 their bodies. When they got reports of providers threatening or 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.560 sexually assault patients or whatever, they were like, they'd write 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.600 to the provider who was acting up and be like, 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.679 wouldn't it be a shame if we started putting your 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.320 home address and full legal name in our document instead 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:14.560 of this you know, other place and basically threatened doctors 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:20.040 in the good behavior? Yeah, like it it never works. Yeah. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.360 In nineteen sixty five, Lana Clark Fallon joined and met 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.800 like literally there was like out pamphleting in the rain, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.840 and this woman came up and was like, y'all, rule, 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.120 can I join the meet? 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.599 Cues that are happening in this in this history are incredible. 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:37.400 They're great. 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.840 Absolutely, you want to meet your people, spend years standing 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.720 on street corners telling oh, that's really sad, but it worked. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.559 You know, I don't know if that applies today, kids, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.920 So don't necessarily do that right now, No wrong. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.120 Just stand on the corner and talk about the need 0:10:55.160 --> 0:11:00.760 for crime, like my upcoming pamphlet the need for ECOCEP anyway, so. 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:02.160 It's gotta be on the nose. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:06.720 Yeah. So then they built a legal strategy. They were like, 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:08.600 we don't like that this is illegal. How do we 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.800 make it legal? And they were like, well, we don't 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.880 have like a ton of resources, and let's get ourselves 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.560 arrested and we'll take it to court and be like 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.920 what we're doing is not fucking wrong, which is a 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.559 common legal strategy from for bottom up legal change right 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.120 top down. You can just hire people to go bribe people. 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.600 And I almost aid Hollywood, but what's the Washington. And 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:35.040 so they wanted to get arrested so they can have 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.240 their day in court. And so they they wanted to 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:40.720 set precedent about how abortion needed to be legalized. So 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.360 they would do these like publicly available talks and tire 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.920 that are entirely illegal about DIY abortion right. And they 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.000 would go up to cops and invite them and be like, hey, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.640 I'm giving a crime lecture that's illegal for me to 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.520 give later at the following address in case you want 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:03.480 to come. Cops would come, learn how to learn birth control, 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:04.360 and then leave. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.200 I was gonna say, is this one of those like 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.959 sitcom moments of them just never being able to be 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.240 arrested and the couse of being like stop, stop, stop, 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.480 just just just go to your thing, just stop. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.199 It took a year whe to successfully get arrested for 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:20.720 actively breaking this law. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.679 I'm going to go and assume that these women are 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:26.199 all white. These are three white women, so that you're 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.559 using your privilege, right, you know what I mean, like 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:29.559 like go to jail. 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.280 But they didn't realize how privileged they would be. They 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:35.880 really did assume this is going to work. Surely, Surely, 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:40.079 this one time they will arrest us, not thinking, oh no, 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.520 I'm a white girl who's coming in being all cute 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:44.559 about let me tell you. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:49.720 Yeahpecially, yeah, no, totally. And it took them a year. 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.320 They finally successfully got arrested two of them. That which 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.840 is enough that was there, like thank god, yeah, finally, 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.480 but the case took so long that ROV went passed 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:06.400 in the meantime. But they did help set California precedent 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:12.119 for like California specific legal legalization of abortion, which obviously 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:18.760 became important again really recently. So they were cool as holl. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:20.640 Very cool. 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:25.280 Now we're going to stick to California, but we're going 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:30.480 to go down to another imaginary city, Los Angeles. Yeah, 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.520 no one's ever heard of Los Angeles. It's just it's 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.319 the city that exists only in the movies. I think 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:39.080 it's like Gotham. Yeah, it's a joke because everyone in 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.280 podcast world except me lives in Los Angeles. I mean, actually, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.040 none of the people whatever, I'm not telling anyone. All 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.480 three of us live in Los Angeles. At the following address, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.520 so we talked about some of the people were about 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.240 to talk about Last Time You're On, but I want 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:54.760 to go into a little bit more detail and or 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.959 like different detail about them because they're just it's cool, 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.760 and I learned some cool stuff they did I'll talk 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.240 about and it ties into the stuff we're going to 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.319 talk about a little bit later. Okay, So, the feminist 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.280 movement of the sixties an awful lot. They also did 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:07.840 an awful lot wrong, and we'll talk about some of that. 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.240 But one of their favorite tactics was called consciousness raising. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:14.800 And it's one of these tactics that again kind of 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.640 like it's like soap boxing. Soap boxing doesn't make any 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.680 sense in the modern world. It's hard to imagine, right, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.200 It's hard to imagine I'm going to go into a 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.280 public square, stand on a box and talk and people 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.960 aren't just going to like even throw money at me 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.720 or call the cops. But that was a big thing 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:32.400 that people did consciousness raising. They were like, patriarchy keeps 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:38.200 women isolated in homes controlled by men. So let's just 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:42.640 get women together under the right circumstances and talking about 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.600 the right things and with the right prompts that can 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:50.720 be revolutionary. And they were right, Like a lot of 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.160 things that have happened in this world have happened because 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:58.600 marginalized people just get together and compare notes an awful lot, 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.760 and like there's like revolutionary like the larger scheme of 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.520 things about like pushing social issues, and there's just a 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.800 lot of people who realized that their husbands were pieces 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:08.240 of shit who were able to fucking leave. You know. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:13.240 Consciousness raising got women together to break their isolation, and 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:16.280 it helped folks realize their own agency. And it also 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.480 led to the next cool people to discuss, who ran 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:23.160 what was called the self help movement and relatedly, menstrual extraction. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.800 So in nineteen sixty nine, this story did not get 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:29.000 This part of the story did not go out the 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:32.320 way I wanted it to. In nineteen sixty nine, five 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.040 women started hanging out with an illegal abortionist named John 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:39.360 Gwynn in Los Angeles and John Gwynn kept going to 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.920 jail for abortion, but he was like, whatever, it's the 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:45.320 right thing to do. It's also my job. Got a crime, doctor, 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.560 Got do crime as a doctor. We talked about him 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:52.320 before because he invented some game chambers in abortion, like 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.520 suction abortion or a way to do it specifically, and 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:00.680 he started making certain types of early abortions way the 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:04.720 fuck safer. A year later, nineteen seventy, he actually get 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.320 himself arrested on purpose in a similar way as the 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.160 other women we talked about. With the women that we 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:12.360 talked about, because he wants to challenge abortion laws, and 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.520 the way he did is really fucking neat. He just 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:18.240 set up an abortion clinic, like put a sign out 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.920 front that was like abortions, get them here, abortions here, 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:26.640 they're free. Yeah. It was called the Community Service Center 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.000 and Women's Abortion Clinic, and it was a free abortion 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.120 clinic in Los Angeles, just like, hey, crime doctor here, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:36.800 if you need any crimes done. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.600 Don't even need a coupon, just come on in. 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:42.920 Yeah. It was open for five days, so longer than 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:45.480 I expeah, I know, and then all of its employees 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.520 were arrested of course, John Gwynn, who was twenty nine 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.080 years old, was like, yeah, I've done about two thousand 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.720 abortions so far in my life. And to be very 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:57.480 he's also already been to jail for it several times 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.400 at this point. And even when he charged money, he 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.600 charged it like the like three hundred I didn't write 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.199 the actual amount, but I read it earlier. It's like 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.119 three hundred bucks or so, which is about half of 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:12.320 what hospitals charge for abortions at the time. And well, 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.720 you because you could get one in a hospital wasmatically 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.000 necessary and then it costs about twice what he was charging. 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.040 This man should be cool people who did cool stuff. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.239 Sometimes I talk about men on the show and then 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:28.320 find out that they're awful halfway through researching them. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:29.440 Yeah. 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.439 In nineteen seventy two, John Gwynn, thirty one, shot his 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.000 twenty one year old girlfriend to death. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:35.639 Oh. 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.080 He says they were arguing about her using drugs and 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:40.160 she pulled a gun on him, and during the resulting 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.280 struggle he accidentally shot her. I have no reason to 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:47.720 believe him, and neither did the course system. Yeah, to 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.119 be fair, I have no reason to believe the courses. 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.639 To me, either my instinct is fucked this guy, and 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:58.760 I'm real sad about it. Yeah, but before all that, oh, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:02.440 in nineteen sixty nine, these five women are like hanging 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.960 out being like yo, crime doc, Like, what's your crime doc? Ways, 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.200 And he's like, well, I'm using this new technique using 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.040 suction to extract an early pregnancy. And they're like, way, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:12.720 that looks easy as shit, and he's like it is 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.120 easy as shit. And they're like, we're going to do it, 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.639 and he's like okay. And these women they were involved 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.440 in above ground organizing for abortion rights too. They'd throw 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.760 abortion rights rallies where women from the crowd could come 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.600 up to the microphone and just shout to the world 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:27.320 that they'd had abortions and they weren't ashamed, you know, 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.080 which is like one of these things where people are like, well, 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.000 why are you proud of it? Cause it's illegal and 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.240 it shouldn't be. That's why, like, I wouldn't be proud 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.439 of having gotten my tonsils out because it's it's legal. 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:42.640 And you know what else is legal? Srean are all 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.639 of the things that being advertised legal or some of 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.200 them crimes I cannot legally comment on that actually. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.959 But you know what's going to happen in the future. 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:52.919 That's true. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:54.680 Everything is on the internet forever. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.920 So yeah, maybe these are crimes. Do whatever the ad is. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.360 What they're saying in the subtext is steal the following product. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:09.600 That's what they're telling you. Don't, no, don't, don't, sorry, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.640 don't steal the following product. It's only cool to talk 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:27.520 about crimes, not do them. Here's ads and we're back. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.240 So these women, they're like, oh, we've were learning how 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.119 to do these pretty effective abortions, you know, these these 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.560 early stage pregnancy section abortions. So in Los Angeles has 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:40.760 a conference about abortion, those for physicians, and so these 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:43.879 five women they marched up onto the stage unannounced, like 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:47.119 took the stage and announced to the room, quote, doctors, 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.560 we're gonna do it ourselves. Women are gonna take this back. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.000 Is that a direct quote? 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:58.399 That is a direct quote of a person describing it, Like, oh, 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:03.040 the participant describing years later, she might have been paraphrasing. 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:04.600 I spent a while trying to figure out whether this 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:08.000 is a direct quote or not, Like it is a 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.680 direct quote from the person who said it talking about 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:12.119 it later. 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.480 Okay, I can take that yeah, yeah, good job. 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:23.199 And then they did that. They did it themselves. And 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.879 also one of the cool things of it is they 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.200