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Speaker 3: Wait? Are we talking about Hotel Bonaventure?

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Speaker 1: Wait? Believe what was that? What was that up there? Well?

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Speaker 2: I think we're talking about not moons over my hammy,

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Speaker 2: like the sandwich. We're talking about UFOs over Montreal, which

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Speaker 3: Perhaps.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do love that this is a story about

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Speaker 3: We're not doing it intentionally. It's just the human nature.

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Speaker 1: The hotel, by the way, did not give us a discount.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if we talked about that in this episode.

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Speaker 4: From UFOs to Psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: A production of Iheartrading.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Nola.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul. Mission control decands, most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Today's episode comes to

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Speaker 1: us from an email. It comes to us from Brian W. So, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I hope you're listening to every episode, but I hope

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Speaker 1: you were particularly tuned into this one. Here's what you said, Brian,

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Speaker 1: I remember that my dad told me about a very

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Speaker 1: you are correct, my friend, fellow conspiracy realists, but that

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Speaker 1: In this episode Montreal nineteen ninety there was something weird

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. That's right, folks. Montreal is

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Speaker 3: So I have to bring this up. Yeah, I've finally

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Speaker 1: So that would have to like how huge would that

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Speaker 3: And I'm honestly not being there in nineteen ninety I

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Speaker 1: Right, that's correct, And well we'll figure out exactly what

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Speaker 1: that means as as we continue now, Matt, you alluded

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the first one I think is what we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's not to cast aspersions on anyone who

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Speaker 1: And they were also you know, there's a funny story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it wasn't just on this terrace. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: It's true. But you got to take into account that

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Speaker 1: Right, and there was no change in its movement, no

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what was it? I gotta know?

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Speaker 3: Well, let me tell you, This thing, whatever it was,

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Speaker 3: to look at, that you've been able to look at

436
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: and knowl's being able to look at is stuff that

437
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: was captured in nineteen ninety. Yeah, and that doesn't mean,

438
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 3: you know, we can't fully trust what we're looking at.

439
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: It just means the you know, it's the resolution is

440
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 3: going to be a little different unless it's film, right,

441
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: Unless it's actual film, right, which a couple of these

442
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: pictures were filmed, the video quality of anything that was

443
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 3: taken back then is going to be very low resolution.

444
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: I would just say the technology maybe was not as sophisticated.

445
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something I want to point out. Yeah, camera

446
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: equipment of thirty years ago. And yes, yes this should

447
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: shock and shock some people listening and weird some of

448
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: this out nineteen ninety was almost thirty years ago. It's

449
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: like a few November seventh, nineteen ninety is a few

450
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: months away from thirty years ago, and technology evolves at

451
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: such a breakneck pace. You're right, Matt, I would say

452
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: you totally cannot trust that stuff. It's fuzzy. You know,

453
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: if we just depended on those photographs and that video,

454
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: it's not surprising at all to rank anything inconclusive because

455
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: even an actual craft like say a high altitude blimp,

456
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: if those existed at the time, would be difficult to discern,

457
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: just given again that very low resolution. And then you

458
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: know one thing, it's tempting to say it's a weather

459
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: phenomenon because it appears to gently just sort of recede

460
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: into the clouds like that gift or jiff of Homer

461
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: Simpsons sinking back into the topiary. But blimps could just

462
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: rise and it would look the same to an observer,

463
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, especially if the cloud cover

464
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: is increasing, because as cloud cover increases and moisture I

465
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: don't know why I was doing that voice, but moisture accumulates,

466
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: then it pushed the clouds seem to get lower right

467
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: and heavier. So I'm just saying we can't based on

468
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: the footage alone, we can't rule out either a solid

469
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: object or weather phenomenon. The problem is, again it goes

470
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: back to the vantage point, because people at the hotel,

471
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: upon a venture, to them, this looked like a solid object,

472
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: and some of them, including police, are still convinced to

473
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: this date. But people from other vantage points they still

474
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: saw something, but they thought it was a weird reflection,

475
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, like how you see lights and pools at

476
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: night reflect weird weird ghost shadows from the water.

477
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know that could make sense to me.

478
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure

479
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: out how I feel about this, you guys, I'm imagining,

480
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, the holographic technology, the hologram technology that uses

481
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: mists as a medium, so you just shine light on

482
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: the mist and then you can have something three dimensional

483
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: or appear to be three dimensional, like the Peppers ghost effect.

484
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: These in the Haunted Mansion at Disney sort of an

485
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 2: older effects, I believe, So, yeah, something these mirrors as

486
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: it's it's sort of an old school way of generating

487
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: a hologram.

488
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: I believe they're updated versions those shut and a lot

489
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: of it goes into a yie old project bluebeam by

490
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: the way of projecting images onto cloud cover, which is really,

491
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: like you said, Ben, just moisture at certain densities, and

492
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: as it's more dense, you can get a more solid

493
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: looking object in the cloud cover, the fog as we're

494
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: calling it here, does appear to be very very thick

495
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 3: in that area. And I'm wondering if I just haven't

496
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 3: seen that kind of technology at play yet, and it

497
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: could be something like that that I just don't have

498
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: the reference point for totally.

499
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I can completely understand that. We also

500
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: have we have a couple of different experts who wait

501
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: in both in the Montreal area and then just people

502
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: study astronomy or ufologists or so on. Well, one I'd

503
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: like to bring to our attention is doctor Robert la Montaigne,

504
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: who's a professor of astronomy at the University of Montreal,

505
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: and he had I think he had the most even

506
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: handed initial response, because again we have to remember, like

507
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: November seventh, eighth through the ninth, people are say it

508
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: all kinds of just wild, out of pocket stuff about this.

509
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: So here's what the astronomy professor says. People saw something.

510
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: They saw UFO.

511
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: Now the word UFO is unidentified flying objects. So they

512
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: saw something in the sky that they couldn't identify. They

513
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: saw phenomenon. Now it remains to find an explanation. We

514
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: haven't had time to find one yet. It takes a while.

515
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: We need to have observations, we need to collect a

516
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: whole series of information together. So far, most of the

517
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: investigations that are looking at the UFO phenomenon often take

518
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: several days to find an explanation. For decades that we

519
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: have been dealing with UFO phenomena, not only in Quebec

520
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: but almost everywhere in the world. Until now, none of

521
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: these UFO phenomena has found its source in the presence

522
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: of vessels from other planets. All UFO phenomena have their

523
00:32:55,400 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: explanation in natural phenomena of meteorological origin or or Borealis

524
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: type or artificial phenomenon that checks out.

525
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: So in a very dry way, he's saying, I'm not

526
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: saying it can't be aliens, but it would be the

527
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: first friggin time ever. Well, it's also just the term

528
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: UFO is so loaded.

529
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: People have so many associations with it from pop culture

530
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: and sci fi and everything, you know, But what it

531
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: really just means is a lack of an explanation. And

532
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: just because we're seeing something that doesn't have an explanation

533
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: doesn't mean you can make the leap to it is

534
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: this origins being somewhere you know, outside of the known.

535
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: Universe, Right, Yeah, I gotta say something really weird on

536
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: personal level about that several dates. Maybe it was last

537
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: week on Reddit. I was digging into something.

538
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 6: And someone quoted me saying that on Reddit and it

539
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 6: was like the most I think it was the coolest

540
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 6: thing that happened to me that month.

541
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: Well, this month's this is a new month.

542
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: Every we just switched over bin.

543
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, we have to say that, right, every every

544
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 1: time we deal with UFOs, we do have to we

545
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: do have to emphasize that because you're right, Noel, it

546
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: has it has become a loaded term ever since the

547
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: nineteen what late forties?

548
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, that old roswell, well, hey, let's I want it.

549
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 3: Can we go to the next person that stepped in

550
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 3: because this person just is so skeptical of anything else?

551
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: Like where that was maybe even handed that we just

552
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: heard from, sure from the professor there.

553
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but Mark has next to grind.

554
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 3: Oh man, Mark, what is a galinas? He's a meteorologist

555
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: with Environment Canada. That's an organization and secretary of the

556
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: Montreal Astronomical Society. This dude was not having any of this.

557
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you could just hear the the scoff.

558
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did he say?

559
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: He said, he looked at the photographs first, and he said,

560
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: it looks like a phenomenon observed on many occasions, especially

561
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: when we work with projectors sometimes used in meteorology.

562
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 3: Okay, no, okay, projectors used with meteorology.

563
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: I see the case you're building.

564
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, keep going.

565
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm picking up a foot down. I'm on board,

566
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: and so he goes. Light is reflected by ice crystals

567
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: or water droplets in the cloud. So depending on the

568
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: density of that cloud.

569
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: I feel like we just talked about this.

570
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, the beam might be several hundred meters thick and

571
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: visible from a great distance. He further conjectured stuff like

572
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: the rays might come from an automobile because they have headlights.

573
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: The headlights might point at the sky, or they might

574
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: reflect toward the sky because buildings have windows and windows

575
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: are reflective.

576
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 3: Like, he's very much over this mark you're saying. Okay,

577
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 3: I'm first of all.

578
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: He's saying everything, but I'm condescending, which means I talk

579
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: down to people.

580
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to imagine a car that is somehow

581
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: positioned with its headlights for three at that angle like

582
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: on a giant hill somewhere that's just kind of sitting

583
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 3: there shooting up.

584
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: Because the thing, the problem with the headlight argument is

585
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: that these headlights would not be static. They would be

586
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: moving right.

587
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: Well, well, they'd be moving, but also there are no

588
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: laser headlights. You know, they could shoot all the way

589
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: up into there and then reflect down in those rays

590
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: that we're observing. Maybe I'm wrong, Mark, maybe maybe you're right.

591
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: I just I don't see that, but uh, okay, we're

592
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: This is not aimed at you, Ben, but it's true.

593
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: And then he's like, and then he points out the

594
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: spotlights stuff, and he points out that light beams come

595
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: from shopping centers. He's basically the whole time is going

596
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: you guys, lights, you have lights.

597
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: They're everywhere.

598
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Lights are everywhere. It's Montreal, we're almost in the twenty

599
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: first century.

600
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: They are reflective surfaces everywhere, the clouds and the ice

601
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 3: crystals come on. Man.

602
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because you see other astronomy societies of

603
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: the time. There was one quote. I don't mean dig

604
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: through the notes, but there's there's one quote from someone

605
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: who seems a little bit offended by this, this claim

606
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: that it's an alien or extraterrestrial UFO and then says, oh,

607
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: it's a dominic l Rose. Dominic loros I believe is

608
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: the man who said, you know what, in my organization,

609
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: A lot of us came to it because we realized

610
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: that quote unquote alien UFOs don't exist. So it's weird

611
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: when you get into this kind of debate because science

612
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: has the lie and share of attention in these concepts

613
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 1: in these conversations, and it should, but there's also some

614
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: psychology and they're involved in there. There's some grudges being held,

615
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: like when we learn some of the weird behind the

616
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: behind the curtain business going on with Muffon, which was

617
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: frankly surprising and had nothing to do with aliens. Maybe

618
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: that's a conspiracy for another day, but let's look at

619
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: the other reports. So let's take psychology as far out

620
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: of it as we can. We know that, like any

621
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: other large city in the developed world, Montreal has a

622
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: ton of monitoring devices and systems in play. These things

623
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: are on every day of the year, twenty four hours

624
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: a day, seven days a week. They're supposed to ping

625
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: when they see something.

626
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are humans that for most of the time,

627
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: if not all of the time are checking those systems

628
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 3: and looking at them.

629
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So so some experts check into power grids

630
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: and they say, what about electromagnetic disturbances. We know those

631
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: can do screwy things. Because keep in mind that Canada

632
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: is one of the one of the countries that experienced

633
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: the world's strongest, most recent coronal mass ejection, right, which

634
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: in the eighties threw the place back into the dark

635
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: age for a minute, but not for long, right, just

636
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: unexpectedly shorted out grids. So they found one power failure,

637
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: but it was like it was around eleven PM, so

638
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: it was after this thing would have been.

639
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: Around because we're talking seven twenties, always said.

640
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: Seven twenty to like ten ten or so. And then

641
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: they checked operating records of communication networks, radio stations, radio operators,

642
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: telephone circuits, excuse me, during the evening of November seventh,

643
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety and they did not find any unusual amount

644
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: of malfunction whatever. This means that whatever it was was

645
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: not at the very least was not interfering with power grids,

646
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: nor electromagnetic systems or things that could be affected by that.

647
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 3: Well that's I mean, okay, this is a good piece

648
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 3: of you know, knowledge to have. It's not it's probably

649
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: not the electrical grid. But another set of monitoring instruments

650
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: would be radar.

651
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: Which would pick up physical objects.

652
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 3: Yes, especially in the airspace. But that wasn't happening, right.

653
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Speaker 2: There were no UFOs detected or reported to be detected

654
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Speaker 2: in any case by airport radar systems. The controller, a

655
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Speaker 2: controller that was interviewed, reported that for the twenty years

656
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Speaker 2: he's worked in the field at the same control tower,

657
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Speaker 2: no UFOs have ever been reported. According to him in

658
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Speaker 2: a report a few days later, the phenomenon reporter on

659
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Speaker 2: Wednesday was caused by a light ray.

660
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Speaker 1: Oh so we have another expert saying it's not physical.

661
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just light, man, it's just a true of

662
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Speaker 3: the light.

663
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Speaker 1: It's only the wind. It's not the ghost of your

664
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Speaker 1: dead lover. It's only the wind. All right.

665
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Speaker 3: Let's get almost down to the end here, because I

666
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Speaker 3: want to just talk about what I think it is.

667
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So if you want to see a

668
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Speaker 1: more modern version of this, and you're a fan of

669
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Speaker 1: less than stellar television, you can check out a show

670
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Speaker 1: that the television channel Canal D made in two thousand

671
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: and seven. A reconstruction of this phenomenon in a series

672
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Speaker 1: of theirs called Mystery Files. They interviewed a lot of

673
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Speaker 1: the witnesses. Surprise, mainly the witnesses who believe it was

674
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Speaker 1: extraterrestrial and different people. Will note that a lot of

675
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Speaker 1: the ufology websites that are convinced this was extraterrestrial origin

676
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: will mainly cite this report. You can watch it on YouTube.

677
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Speaker 1: I don't want to be a jerk about it, but

678
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it groundbreaking science. It's entertainment. So the

679
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: point of that is to entertain you with a recre creations,

680
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Speaker 1: as they're.

681
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Speaker 3: Called, good old fashioned recree of some light rays.

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Speaker 1: So in this case, it appears for now that the

683
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Speaker 1: most likely explanation for the nineteen ninety Montreal sighting was

684
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Speaker 1: either a mundane, if secret craft of some sort or

685
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Speaker 1: a strange type of light weather phenomenon caused by interaction

686
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Speaker 1: with this low foggy sky. Again, the big questions are

687
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Speaker 1: the number of witnesses let us know there was definitely

688
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Speaker 1: something visible there, and the fact that it stayed visible

689
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Speaker 1: for three hours is pretty fascinating too. There's a pretty

690
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Speaker 1: there was an argument for some kind of aberrant behavior

691
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Speaker 1: of the northern lights. But that doesn't hold up on

692
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Speaker 1: you once you dig into it. So all right, what

693
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Speaker 1: do you think, Okay, what do you think.

694
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Speaker 3: A natural phenomena of sun rays somehow being bent around

695
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Speaker 3: at around seven pm, which you know that's November seven pm.

696
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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly when the sun was setting on

697
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Speaker 3: that day, but there is there are phenomena where sun

698
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Speaker 3: light can be bent around the planet if you know,

699
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Speaker 3: at certain times like after dusk or after the sun

700
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Speaker 3: has set, where you can get some weird light ray

701
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Speaker 3: action going on in distortions, right, and it's it almost

702
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: always has to do with moisture in the sky. These

703
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Speaker 3: ice crystals were talking about.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense because they would refract it and could

705
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Speaker 2: split it off in different patterns and make it look

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Speaker 2: like it's moving abnormally.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yes, And Montreal isn't you know, right near the

708
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Speaker 3: equator or anything. It's getting up higher or north in latitude,

709
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Speaker 3: so you know that potential is there when you're talking

710
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Speaker 3: about where you can actually see some strange things in

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Speaker 3: the ionosphere above you, you know, Montreal is pretty dang

712
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Speaker 3: close up to those places where it's most strong. But again, oh,

713
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Speaker 3: you know, what when you when you see Aurora borealis

714
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Speaker 3: spin and noole, generally, what color do you see?

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Speaker 1: Ah'm not the best person, desk.

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Speaker 3: H green is one of the prominent colors that.

717
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Speaker 1: Is blue is supposed to be blue.

718
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Speaker 3: It's greenish. Okay, I'm sorry, But the green hue or

719
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Speaker 3: the coloration and some of those images that you're seeing

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Speaker 3: high up above in that fog could be you know,

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Speaker 3: I I could see that being Aurora borealis kind of

722
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Speaker 3: of things. But then if you mix that in with

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Speaker 3: maybe a bit of sunlight being refracted and kind of

724
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Speaker 3: bent over like that, you could get those light rays

725
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Speaker 3: because it really does look like tiny suns like shooting

726
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Speaker 3: out rays through that cloud cover. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Huh wait, So did you just talk yourself out of

728
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Speaker 1: what you were originally going?

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Speaker 3: I did, Okay, I did.

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Speaker 1: I Like, I love watching these transformations in real time.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna go with the Project Bluebeam test

732
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Speaker 3: because you know, I'm all about it, and I'm pretty

733
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Speaker 3: sure top of a building like that in Montreal would

734
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Speaker 3: be a great place to test it out.

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Speaker 1: For years, you've you've been about this, and then maybe

736
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Speaker 1: maybe if we're if we're going further down the rabbit hole.

737
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Speaker 1: Maybe that explains why this was instead of a religious

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Speaker 1: figure or a messianic figure, this was a sun god.

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Speaker 3: All right.

740
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Speaker 1: This was just something that looked like an orb. So

741
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Speaker 1: here's my argument against it being a physical object some

742
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Speaker 1: or at least getting the size wrong. For it to

743
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Speaker 1: be almost most eighteen hundred feet and at an elevation

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Speaker 1: of twenty five let's keep it a meters five hundred

745
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Speaker 1: and forty meters elevation at twenty five hundred to three

746
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Speaker 1: thousand meters, that would mean just put it in American phrases,

747
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: because you know, we'll do We'll find a system of

748
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Speaker 1: measurement of ridiculous degrees in comparisons. We'll do anything we

749
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Speaker 1: can so long as it prevents us from having to

750
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Speaker 1: think in the metric system. That's why news is always like,

751
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, what's blah blah blah kilograms. That's the size

752
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Speaker 1: of like four elephants and one Costco pack of oreos.

753
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,959
Speaker 1: And it's like that's seven refrigerators. Anyway, this five hundred

754
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Speaker 1: and forty meters, think that's like five football fields that

755
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Speaker 1: would be if it were flying, that would be like,

756
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Speaker 1: by far right the largest craft. Ever.

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Speaker 3: It's a dang mothership.

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Speaker 1: You guys like, I don't have I don't know the

759
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: biggest airship right now, but I don't think it's five

760
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Speaker 1: football field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what is the aircraft carrier of the sky? I

762
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Speaker 3: keep thinking of the large military of the see one, no.

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Speaker 1: See something right? C. Seventeen C five.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right. I remember Marshall brain talking C.

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Speaker 1: Seventeen is correct, And that's one where the front opens, right,

766
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Speaker 1: the nose opens.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's huge.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that okay, let's let's fig out that is fifty

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Speaker 1: three meters long, wingspan of fifty one point seventy five meters. Wow,

770
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Speaker 1: much bigger than that. I don't know. It's just tough

771
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Speaker 1: because it's like the Bigfoot question again. If there's something

772
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Speaker 1: that big and a ton of people are looking for it,

773
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: where the hell is it? Why haven't we found it?

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Speaker 3: Well? If it is a space faring craft, Ben, that's right,

775
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 3: you're right, came into our atmosphere, hung out for a minute,

776
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Speaker 3: pretty high up, probably higher up than we thought, and

777
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Speaker 3: then just went back out.

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Speaker 1: If it is. If it is, it's no set a mothership,

779
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 1: then maybe they just stopped by to see if there

780
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: was if there was room on this planet for them,

781
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: and maybe it was just like when you're walking into uh,

782
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Speaker 1: when you're walking around you're trying to find a public

783
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Speaker 1: restroom and you have to just like try the knobs

784
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Speaker 1: on the stalls or whatever. And so maybe maybe that's

785
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Speaker 1: what they Maybe that's what they did. Maybe they came

786
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Speaker 1: in and did the equivalent of like the bathroom stall

787
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Speaker 1: check and said, dang, there's already there's already a life here.

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Speaker 3: There are way too many lights down there. Cap and

789
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: they're like, ah, maybe it's bioluminescence serves some other form,

790
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: And they're like, I don't know, I don't think it's

791
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: a trick of the light. I'm pretty sure those are

792
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Speaker 3: that's actual creatures.

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Speaker 1: How cool would it be if they were on that

794
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 1: mother ship and they were debating what they saw? Yeah,

795
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: like what was that down there?

796
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 3: That was weird, man.

797
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: So I was like, no, it was just the it

798
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Speaker 1: was foggy.

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Speaker 3: It was so fun.

800
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Speaker 1: Those were fog buildings, you fool. I don't know.

801
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 3: Oh it is odd, man, it's really odd.

802
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: If I just yeah, that's that's what I think is

803
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: interesting about this because there's not a satisfactory, universally accepted

804
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: explanation and every time you get to the point where

805
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: you say, well, was definitely this, there's always a well wait,

806
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: just like just like we encountered at the end of this,

807
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: my last one, my last ditch, the you know pitch

808
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: that I had my hail Mary, I'm pulling from my

809
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: back pocket. Uh if not my keyster is this? What

810
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Speaker 1: if it wasn't a physical craft but it was the

811
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Speaker 1: ghost of a craft? What if it's a ghost ship? No,

812
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: then it wouldn't be solid, it wouldn't be physical. Yep,

813
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: crickets Okay, Paul, can you put some crickets in?

814
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Speaker 3: Man? Sorry? Well no, I you know, I just have

815
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: to say this has been a lot of fun to imagine,

816
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: talk about. And thank you to Brian for writing us

817
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: that email. I remember when you first sent that to us.

818
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 3: Of this maybe too much detail, but I was hanging

819
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Speaker 3: out at my house doing a thing that all of

820
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Speaker 3: us do that you know it involves a bathroom, and

821
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Speaker 3: I literally got your email and I went, oh, oh,

822
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Speaker 3: let me look at this. That sounds interesting. And then

823
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 3: I stayed way too long in the bathroom because I

824
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Speaker 3: was just I was watching that video I was telling

825
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Speaker 3: you about. It's not good for your calling now, well,

826
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Speaker 3: you know what I wasn't saying. I was actually using

827
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Speaker 3: the bathroom.

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Speaker 1: I was just sitting there in that position, got stranded. Well,

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Speaker 1: we don't know.

830
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Speaker 3: I got up and I was pacing. I was just

831
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Speaker 3: and forth, like what is this man in your bathroom? Yeah?

832
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Speaker 3: I have a really tiny bathroom. So it was just

833
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Speaker 3: kind of like a that's a couple of steps.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's that makes for a good pace. It's real intense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do want to point out shout out to

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Speaker 1: everybody who there's a funny thread on. Here's where it

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Speaker 1: gets crazy, where people have started our fellow listeners have

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Speaker 1: started confessing that a lot of us repeat that phone

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Speaker 1: number to themselves along when you hear it. I'm telling you, guys,

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Speaker 1: ritualization works.

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Speaker 3: Oh that is awesome. Well, thank you for doing that

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Speaker 3: with us, because it feels a little weird every time

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Speaker 3: we do it in here.

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Speaker 2: Do it enough times, if enough people join us, you'll

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Speaker 2: summon some sort of demi gorgan.

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Speaker 3: And that's the truth, some sort of demi gorgan.

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Speaker 1: Now, you, guys, I want to say that Paul is

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Speaker 1: one human. And if you don't care for social media,

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Speaker 1: we get it. If you don't like phones, we get it.

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Speaker 1: If you have something that you need to tell us,

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Speaker 1: but you want a different way to tell us, well

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