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Speaker 2: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 3: We've had such a strong rivalry the Knicks have with

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Speaker 4: Welcome into another episode of becoming a Best Ball bro.

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Speaker 4: I'm Jaja Zacharieson, joined as always by my Jets loving

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Speaker 4: co host Rich Ryan Rich.

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Speaker 1: What's going on, Buddy?

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Speaker 3: It's the preseason, buddy, Hope Spring eternal. Nothing bad can

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Speaker 3: happen from here, right, j Jay?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, we were, We were.

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Speaker 4: We had some some cold open ideas and the one

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Speaker 4: that that you were going to throw out there was

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Speaker 4: about Gino Smith taking that punch to the I forgot

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Speaker 4: all about that that that even happened.

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Speaker 3: That was the one and only time that I had

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Speaker 3: an office job in my life, and it was the

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Speaker 3: start of my second year in that job.

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Speaker 2: So everybody knew me.

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Speaker 3: I'm on the West Coast, I'm the Jets guy, I'm

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Speaker 3: from New Jersey, and so when it happens, every guy

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Speaker 3: in the office, maybe for like a thirty minute period,

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Speaker 3: would comb over and.

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Speaker 2: Let me know.

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Speaker 3: In case, in case there was a world where I

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Speaker 3: did not know that Gino Smith had broken his jaw

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Speaker 3: via a practice squad player, that yes, Gino Smith would

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Speaker 3: be missing a considerable part of the season with a

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Speaker 3: broken jaw.

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Speaker 1: Was what was the backstory as to why he punched him?

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Speaker 3: It was just a debt. It was a six hundred

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Speaker 3: know if it was charity related. I think someone. I

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Speaker 3: think Gino had dedicated his time or vice versa to

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Speaker 3: like a charity event like a camp that summer, and

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Speaker 3: some money was owed and Gino was being quite arrogant

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Speaker 3: about it, and I K income Polly did not enjoy

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Speaker 3: that ericant and landed the one two punch on on

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Speaker 3: our guy, Gina.

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Speaker 1: Crazy So Crazy.

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Speaker 4: Last week we talked about just some exposure stuff in

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Speaker 4: general on the show with my portfolio, but we haven't

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Speaker 4: in a while. So we're going to go through some

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Speaker 4: and we're about to see some crazy things happen. So

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Speaker 4: Vacation, we had that, like that recap type episode, and

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about some risers first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's start about Let's start with two running backs

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Speaker 3: who I'm just personally blaming you for these rises, especially

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, I've had this take for a

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be stupid about it, you know,

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Speaker 4: like I think that Cuba. You know, I faded him

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Speaker 4: You had a fifth to sixth round running back in

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Speaker 4: you know, I think that's like fair, you know, like

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Speaker 1: So, like I said, I think if this flips.

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Speaker 1: I liked Brooks as a prospect quite a bit.

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Speaker 4: I think he's a good pass catcher, but I like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want the risk profile of the running

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Speaker 1: If you can have it, I should.

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Speaker 4: I do want to add that, just so if people

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Speaker 4: are curious. I'm at about three percent Chuba Hubbard in

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Speaker 3: And the other thing I want to say, and this

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Speaker 3: that when you do have conviction in these ambiguous situations,

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Speaker 4: Well, especially when cost is involved, like you can't ignore

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Speaker 4: the cost aspect. This isn't like, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: Team out of one hundred and fifty in the MILLI

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Speaker 4: And so and that's the low like I try to

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Speaker 4: get exposure to. It's just one of those players I

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Speaker 1: This guy is also a faller.

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Speaker 4: I've mostly faded Tony Poller in the MILLI, and I

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Speaker 4: If I'm taking a running back in that range, and

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Speaker 3: let's get serious.

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Speaker 4: So I just having gotten that much Tony Pollard. With

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Speaker 4: that being said, even though this guy's been falling, I've

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Speaker 1: Spears. I'll say that, like, I think I'm overweight on him.

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Speaker 4: I've got a lot of Nick Singleton, and I know

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Speaker 4: that that could end up being a zero I get it.

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Speaker 4: I understand the downside risk with that. I happen to

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Speaker 1: You know, Like I'm trying to balance my roster.

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Speaker 4: If I feel really good at running back and wide

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Speaker 4: shoot for the moon. I don't mind going Singleton's way

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Speaker 4: because I thought he had a really good profile overall

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Speaker 4: don't really you know, Spears has never been in every

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Speaker 4: receiving profile and sort of peripherals, and we saw some

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Speaker 4: bad splits from him last year, even from a usage

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Speaker 4: standpoint when Taj Spears was active. And so I look

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Speaker 4: see much buzz. I mean you might, but because he

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Speaker 4: you see a ton of buzz from him because you

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Speaker 4: kind of have that head coach and that coaching staff

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Speaker 4: that is more of like the traditional rookies got to

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Speaker 4: mean as oc he's played Day three rookies the last

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Speaker 4: think that he's necessarily I don't know if he would

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Speaker 4: getting Nick Singleton for a I mean, you can get

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Speaker 1: It's a lot different than that.

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Speaker 3: Let's get back to some risers who go up to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting that he's up just because I think

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Speaker 4: we're getting a lot of design Dribbling hype out of camp.

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Speaker 4: You know, look, he's a size speed, kind of freak,

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Speaker 4: that type of player that I'm not surprised would look

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Speaker 4: didn't love Design Stribling. I'm not super high on Stribbling

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, like you have Christian Kirk getting

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Speaker 4: That's allowed Shribbling to do a little bit more in

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Speaker 1: So I do think there's a chance that we see

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Speaker 4: But I thought that Pearsall was very undervalued to start

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Speaker 1: So I think I'm a little bit overweight right now.

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Speaker 4: I would imagine so just because you know, like I

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Speaker 4: I still think he's a decent pick. It's just interesting

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Speaker 3: Tribbling is the only player where I've made a clip

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Speaker 2: Footage for previously in the summer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody else is like big explosive plays touchdowns, and

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Speaker 3: I literally put blocks in for shribbling because it was

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Speaker 3: part of the conversation another receiver, somebody you've been on

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Speaker 3: now in Denver.

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Speaker 2: Jalen Waddell.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I did the I was at the

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Speaker 4: panel we always do, like an opening Expo panel on Sunday,

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Speaker 4: us a player that we're targeting this year and a

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Speaker 4: don't really look at fantasy football that way as like

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Speaker 4: guy that I said as the target was Jalen waddle

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Speaker 4: just because I just think it's an interesting profile slash

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Speaker 4: with a positive VP of for play just twice in

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Speaker 4: going to be playing the Z. And what's interesting about

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Speaker 4: don't know how people have forgotten about this. I will

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Speaker 4: never understand why the fantasy football community loves Courtland Sutton

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Speaker 1: Like I just I don't get it at all. He's

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Speaker 4: You know, of course he can have random spike weeks

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Speaker 1: If you remember last year.

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Speaker 4: good of a player, and he's little, and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: And so I'm hyped on what Jalen Wattle could do.

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Speaker 4: If you look at the spectrum of DraftKings drafts, you'll

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Speaker 4: see him go like I've taken him the three four

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Speaker 4: like he could very easily go in that range. And

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Speaker 4: you shouldn't think twice because I think he's at the

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Speaker 4: top of that like really awesome wide receiver tier, like

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Speaker 4: this year. Maybe that's a hot take, but I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't see why we need to differentiate it so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think when it comes to a Lave

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Speaker 3: admit because one of the introduction of Jordan Tyson, a

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Speaker 3: massive impact. The other thing we've talked about Seahawks defensive

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Speaker 3: control ball with bow Nicks like, there could be spots

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Speaker 3: Jalen Wattle is just I don't know, He's just one

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Speaker 3: of those where he's just he's he's a good player,

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Speaker 3: man like. He is one of the main reasons, obviously,

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Speaker 3: along with Tyreek Hill, why the Dolphins offense was what

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Speaker 3: it was, you know, when to and and Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 3: in a great spot now.

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Speaker 1: I think people have been burned by him.

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Speaker 4: And that's part of the reason too, is you know,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Wattle could smash this year. He really could have

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Speaker 1: a great year.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Let's talk about Sean Payton's old team and an

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Speaker 3: older player who we thought maybe he could get traded,

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Speaker 3: might retire, might something, but no. Alvin Kamara back in

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Speaker 4: You got to think that if with him going back,

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Speaker 4: there's this idea that he's going to have some role,

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Speaker 4: Travis that running back that they have in New Orleans,

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Speaker 1: Like to me, Travis Etn is a like. He was

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Speaker 4: Little bit overvalued as like a player last year, not

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Speaker 4: Like when you look at his secondary metrics and his

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Speaker 4: Now he was better yards over expected per attempt, you

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Speaker 4: know that the stuff that is pretty solid running back

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Speaker 1: It's just not happened and come to fruition.

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Speaker 4: And so not only that, but Kellen Moore's offenses historically

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Speaker 1: Clearly more work in that offense.

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Speaker 4: But now he's obviously splitting that backfield with a pretty

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Speaker 4: good running back. Not great, like I said, but a

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Speaker 4: big key part to why I think that offense might

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Speaker 4: So I get it why he's rising, but I do

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Speaker 1: on here. So I don't know what your expectation was.

438
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 4: Maybe it was his ADP would have just risen if

439
00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 4: he didn't, sure, because we would feel even more confident.

440
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,920
Speaker 4: But we knew that something was likely going on here,

441
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 4: and you're gonna see the community react to that in

442
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,120
Speaker 4: a negative way. It's just that it's just what had

443
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 4: the aj Brown stuff from earlier this offseason, where we

444
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 4: all knew he was getting traded. There's like an eighty

445
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 4: percent chance he was gonna do to the Patriots, if

446
00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,680
Speaker 4: not higher. And then he does, and then he goes

447
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 4: up over around and ADP, which I did not expect

448
00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 4: at all, but I was reminded that's just what the

449
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 4: market does. So I think that's what the market is

450
00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 4: doing with Alvin Kamara in this.

451
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 3: Game, seeing it with Zach Sharbonay two as well, like

452
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:04,960
Speaker 3: Alex Pearce was announced on Pop.

453
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,200
Speaker 2: But this is we knew this, this is something we

454
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: had been planning for.

455
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Sharbonay thing, I mean, any ADP Zach Sharbonay

456
00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:13,000
Speaker 4: is wild.

457
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,600
Speaker 1: I saw him going round fifteen to day.

458
00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 4: I couldn't take him or I didn't want to take him,

459
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 4: exagenarian price on that team, and it's it's it's wild

460
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,879
Speaker 4: because of course he was going to start on the

461
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 4: pup like, of course, he was like, if he didn't,

462
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 4: then his ADP would have gone like four rounds higher

463
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,440
Speaker 4: than where it's going right now, if not more, you know,

464
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 4: so yeah, I mean it's it's try try not to

465
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 4: be so reactionary.

466
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 1: When when you're making these selections.

467
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 3: Let's pivot to some followers now briefly mentioned him with

468
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 3: his former team Miami, and that's Tyreek Killed down two

469
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 3: rounds twenty six picks since the end of June.

470
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 2: This is a player we have not discussed at all.

471
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 3: We discussed Ayuk a little bit before he went off

472
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 3: the deep end, but we've not really touched upon Tyreek Hill.

473
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: Where are you at on Hill?

474
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 4: I've zero percent Tyree Kill in the Millie. I've done

475
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 4: ninety two MILLI drafts. I have not taken Tyreekill once.

476
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 4: I mean, this is the Tank Dell thing, right Like,

477
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 4: it's that kind of injury and Tyreek Hill is older.

478
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 4: Explosion is the main part of his game, and that's

479
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,680
Speaker 4: why we want him in fantasy because he's one of

480
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 4: the few guys who can just win with athleticism that way.

481
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 4: Coming off a major injury like that, I just don't

482
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 4: want to deal with it. Especially because he's, you know,

483
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,320
Speaker 4: at the tail end of his career at this point.

484
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 4: To me, it's just not a worthwhile investment. That's one

485
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 4: of those like truth. And there there were times where

486
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 4: like he was going in like round fifteen and such,

487
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,679
Speaker 4: where like there's some like relatively usable players in that.

488
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: Range that you know, at least give you something and

489
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 1: you won't take a zero four. But there's a very

490
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: real chance you take a zero to Tyreek Hill. So

491
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm out.

492
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 4: I'm not surprised that he's falling after the reports that

493
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 4: his leg like isn't functioning properly.

494
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: I don't advise other people taking and drafting Tyreek Hill.

495
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: Let's get to Chocolate City, the DC area rookie running

496
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 3: back k Tron Allen is starting to slide here as

497
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 3: we get into August.

498
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 4: I guess this is the Jakori cross merit thing, you know,

499
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 4: like that he's getting a little bit more love.

500
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 2: Nobody seems more in the summer like good old Bill.

501
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 4: I know, it's really interesting to me, Like, I think

502
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 4: Bill is fine enough as an early down guy. The

503
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 4: one thing I do want to call out though, and

504
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 4: we're gonna see it a lot when a player is

505
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 4: working like doing a lot of something in camp. It

506
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that the team is trying to get that

507
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 4: player to do that thing in the actual games. A

508
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 4: good example of this you could use it with JCM

509
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 4: but Jenarium Price right now, they're using him a lot

510
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 4: as a pass catcher. But I would imagine they're doing

511
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 4: that because Jenerium Price didn't have that much of a

512
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 4: pass catching profile.

513
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: Like we don't know how good of a pass catcher

514
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: Jenerarium Price is.

515
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 4: They're probably just getting them reps because they don't know

516
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 4: what And similarly, George Hallani right is getting first team

517
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 4: reps because they just want to see what their depth

518
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 4: looks like and see what he can maybe do between

519
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 4: the tackles a little bit more as opposed to just

520
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 4: playing that like third down back type role. Right.

521
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing with Jacory Krossky merit where

522
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: the early down stuff.

523
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 4: By the way, George Allani, I have way too much

524
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 4: George Allan, way more than I'd like to admit. And

525
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 4: and DK basketball right now, where twentieth round pick, I

526
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 4: just need like a body at running back as my

527
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 4: RB six, I've gotten him. I think I'm at like

528
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 4: fourteen percent George Lani right now, just to don't guys, guys,

529
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,719
Speaker 4: don't don't yell at me about that. Please don't yell

530
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 4: at me about that.

531
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Speaker 2: I mean they are in the playoffs.

532
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: I besmersed him by calling him with something a couple

533
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, but like they were giving him the.

534
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: Ball in the playoffs.

535
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: I know.

536
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 4: I'm just like, to me, it's one of those things

537
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 4: where like I'm willing with a twentieth round pick to

538
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 4: lay it to just like go into like I don't

539
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 4: think he's good.

540
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm just going into this idea.

541
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 4: Like I know that backfields are chosen by coaches, Like

542
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 4: whatever the coach wants to do, if they want to

543
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 4: use him, then he could be usable in some way.

544
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: To me, I don't see why like we would be

545
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: so much higher on.

546
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 4: Laquinn Allen than George Allani when George Laani's floor is

547
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 4: probably the role that la Quinn Allen's going to be

548
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 4: playing right where there is more upside there that what

549
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 4: if to start the year they do use him more

550
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 4: as the early down guy and he's splitting with Jenarian Price,

551
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 4: but which a Corey krossky Merritt. We're seeing a lot

552
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 4: of reports and they like want to get him involved

553
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: more as a receiver. Guys, Bill had a very poor

554
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 4: receiving profile coming out of college and he did nothing

555
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 4: as a receiver last year. I think that it's a

556
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 4: little bit too bullish of a projection to assume that

557
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 4: he's going to take on like a eight nine percent

558
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 4: target share in that offense, especially when Rashad White's there,

559
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 4: and that's that's like, that's like the one thing that

560
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 4: Rashad White can do. And you know, I'm a believer,

561
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 4: and I think teams should be doing this more of

562
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 4: disguising what they're going to do given the type of

563
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: running back that's on the field, which is what the

564
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 4: Rams really lit like leaned into last year with Blake.

565
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: Krm and Kyrin Williams, Like, don't have a third down

566
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: running back.

567
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 4: Have a running back that you know can spell your

568
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 4: starter and you guys can rotate drives or whatever, you know,

569
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be. That's not what Washington's doing,

570
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 4: just given the personnel there, right, because Rashad White not

571
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 4: the best in between the tackles, guy j Cory Krossky

572
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: Merrit not a good pass catcher. Two of them combined

573
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 4: would be a pretty fun running back, but they're not combined.

574
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Right.

575
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: So I say all of that because we're talking about

576
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 4: kay Tron Allen and Alan to me, is is a

577
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 4: duplicate of Jacory krossky Merrit in terms of the way

578
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 4: they're going to be deployed.

579
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: I think I've talked about this before.

580
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 4: If you look at like the Minnesota backfield versus the

581
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 4: Washington backfield, the Minnesota backfield has Jordan Mason as the

582
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 4: very clear early down runner, which is why he's been

583
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: rising up a little bit, I believe, and then Aaron

584
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 4: Jones and DeMont Claiborne as more pass catching backs right

585
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 4: and then in Washington, Rashad White is the clear pass catcher,

586
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: so he has a stable role in that backfield, whereas

587
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: Jacory krossky Merritt doesn't necessarily have that role, which is

588
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: why k Tron Allen to me is kind of interesting

589
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: because he's just got to beat out Jacory krossky Merritt

590
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: to get a little bit more work.

591
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: And he's obviously a completely different kind.

592
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 4: Of running back than Bill is and even Rashad White is,

593
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 4: which is also a plus in my opinion, for you know,

594
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 4: a Day three dark throw type player. So Kateron Allen

595
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 4: is still fine in my opinion if you want to

596
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 4: draft him late, even though he's falling. But do know that, like,

597
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: that's the dynamic that we're working with with these backfields.

598
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 4: Like I like drafting DeMont Claiborne because the guy he

599
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: has to beat is Aaron Jones, who is now on

600
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: the wrong side of the age curve, and we don't know,

601
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 4: you know, how dynamic he's gonna look this year, right,

602
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: Whereas Demon Claiborne is a very dynamic player and he's

603
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 4: a decent pass catcher. So that's kind of the way

604
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: that I look at these late round rookie running back darts,

605
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 4: these Day three guys.

606
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: And I feel the same way about k Ron Allen.

607
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: The next falling running back is also a young guy,

608
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 3: but he's entering his third year. I believe he's old

609
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 3: enough to finally buy a twenty seven dollars tall boy

610
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 3: at MetLife. I'm not sure, though, I think he is

611
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: finally twenty one in Braylen Allen. But you're using this

612
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 3: as a jumping off point to talk about a guy

613
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 3: you've liked since you wrote him up with the prospect guide,

614
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: and that's Isaiah Davis.

615
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 4: I think Isaiah Davis is just as good, if not better,

616
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 4: of a player as Braylan Allen. And there's been some

617
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 4: small report saying that he could be the RB two

618
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 4: in that offense. Now this is where reporting, like the

619
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: way that one Beat reporter views what an RB two

620
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: is could be different than another Beat reporter because again,

621
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: these guys play roles. That's what I was trying to

622
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 4: say about, like k Tron Allen there or some of

623
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 4: these other rookie running backs, they're playing specific roles in

624
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: their offense. Isaiah Davis, if you want to lump him

625
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 4: into the Laquin Allen you know us or George Hallane

626
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: type group, I think that's fair, right, But like I

627
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 4: think Isaiah Davis can handle more on the ground if

628
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: something were to happen to the guy in front of

629
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: him in Breeze hall right, Like I think Davis can

630
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 4: be in every down back in a pinch? Do I

631
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 4: think that he's gonna be that, like, you know, when

632
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 4: his rookie contracts up or whatever the case may be,

633
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 4: like some team is going to be released. No, I

634
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 4: don't think that's the case. But as a backup player, sure,

635
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 4: Like I think that Isaiah Davis has that opportunity. Braylan

636
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 4: Allen has not really proven that he has the pass

637
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: catching chops where Isaiah Davis has, like they've deployed him

638
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 4: that way historically. So I think Davis just straight up

639
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 4: is a little bit more appealing than Braylen Allen at

640
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: this point. And I think the reports like David has

641
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: also been really efficient when he's gotten the ball and

642
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: touched the ball. That's another thing to keep in mind.

643
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 4: And so I think these reports about him like being

644
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 4: their RB two whatever that means. Sure, but I do

645
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 4: think that there's some validity to the idea that Isaiah

646
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 4: Davis could be a better fantasy asset than Braylen Allen

647
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: this year.

648
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: Davis also loved by the staff. I can I can

649
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: tell you this much, great special teams player, a useful player,

650
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: So somebody who you don't have to worry about ever

651
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: being on a roster bubble or anything like that. So

652
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: you're definitely buying points when you take Isaiah Davis because

653
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 3: he's going to find his way on the field. It's

654
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: just to your point, how much is he going to

655
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: see the field versus a Braileen Allen last one, and

656
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: this comes with multiple questions marks from you down half

657
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: around since the end of June. It's the tight end

658
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: up in San Francisco. George Kittle.

659
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Speaker 4: I'm just surprised that his ADP's follow him because it

660
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 4: feels like there's only been optimistic news about Kidd, right right.

661
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 4: I don't get this high, right Yeah, I mean, like

662
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 4: I actually was more bearish on Kittle, you know, a

663
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Speaker 4: couple months ago, and I wasn't drafting enough of him.

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Speaker 1: I've drafted a lot more of him recently.

665
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to at least I'm still under weight on Kittle,

666
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 4: but I'm at like six percent or something like that.

667
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 4: I'd rather be at least at eight percent, maybe even

668
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 4: overweight on him, because I think that things are treading

669
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 4: in the right direction.

670
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: And given what some like docs have said, this was

671
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: an achilles injury.

672
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 4: That wasn't like the bad kind of Achilles injury, Like

673
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: it was one where you know he could return and

674
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: at least get close to what we know from George Kittle.

675
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 4: You know, there's definitely some trends in the draft guy

676
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 4: that don't favor Kittle, but he's already beaten those trends.

677
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 4: Historically like slot rate type stuff, and he's just a

678
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: you know, he's nowt he's like a Derrick Henry type player.

679
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: He's just an outlier type player where we've seen it

680
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 4: year in year out, So we can kind of throw

681
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 4: out the trends for a player like this and not

682
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: really worry about it too much. Great offense, great environment,

683
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: obviously one that has sustainably had really high passing touchdown rates.

684
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: Kittle in the ten round, which you can get really consistently,

685
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: like right before you get into like the Dallas Goddard

686
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: range and stuff.

687
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Speaker 1: I've been trying to get a little bit more of that.

688
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: And the other thing that you can do is if

689
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 4: you're at the tail end of like round nine, you

690
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 4: know you're in the front of the draft, you can

691
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 4: double tap and maybe reach a little bit, but get

692
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 4: like a Purdy Kittle stacked pretty easily. That's the range

693
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: where the side of the board where Mike Evans goes too,

694
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 4: So you can get very much get a pretty good

695
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: San Francisco stack if you want to, and you could

696
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 4: differentiate it like you could like that that Philly San Francisco.

697
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: Game is all on the left side of the board.

698
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: If you want it to be, and so you can

699
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: play with that a little bit.

700
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Speaker 4: So I like Kittle where he goes right now, I

701
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Speaker 4: would envision his ADP going up as we get more reports,

702
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 4: just because things have been trending in the right direction.

703
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Speaker 3: Yeah, unless obviously the only thing is is a setback.

704
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's right, sure, but that's that's an obvious one, right,

705
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: like any it could be major one, that's right. Yeah,

706
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: if everything is neutral, You're right, it's gonna be. It's

707
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: just gonna be positive because that means he's out there

708
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: running routes. And to bring it back to shribbling blocking

709
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: because Kill's blocking is like one of his main utilities

710
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Speaker 3: for that uh Shanahan offense.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

712
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Speaker 4: All right, those are the rises and followers. We do

713
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Speaker 4: have an interview. I talked to establish the runs Adam Levitton.

714
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: Everyone knows and loves Levitan, including myself. We talked about

715
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Speaker 4: his typical approach to DraftKings this year Little zero RB

716
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: talk his end of draft favorites, which is always a

717
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: big talking point, a question that people ask this show

718
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: pretty consistently. So much more though, so enjoy my conversation

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Speaker 4: with Adam Levetan. All Right, Levitan. So I know that,

720
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: you know, you probably mix things up each draft. You

721
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 4: know you're reading the board and stuff. But when you

722
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Speaker 4: sort of take a step back, what's been your typical

723
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Speaker 4: approach this year on draftings?

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Speaker 5: It's crazy how much the meta has changed on DraftKings

725
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 5: best Ball. I think this is my fourth or fifth

726
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 5: year playing beasketball seriously on DraftKings, and like my initial

727
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 5: thought when playing this format, it's full PPR. There's bonuses

728
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 5: for one hundred yards you can start for wide receivers.

729
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: This is a very, very wide receiver friendly format, you know,

730
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 5: very different than underdog half PPR. No bonuses on underdog

731
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Speaker 5: like touchdowns and quarterbacks scoring are going to be such

732
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 5: a big part of your score on DraftKings. It should

733
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Speaker 5: be wide receivers, pass catching running backs. And yet this year,

734
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Speaker 5: for the first time, I see the meta the public

735
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Speaker 5: and a ton of sharp people also just hammering wide

736
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Speaker 5: receiver early because of the way the league has gone

737
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Speaker 5: the last couple of years. I do not think that

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Speaker 5: is right to force that this year. So I've been

739
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 5: a little bit contryand with some more wide receiver friendly

740
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 5: starts this year. We can talk more about that later,

741
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Speaker 5: and then the other big meta change this year in

742
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Speaker 5: DraftKings has been quarterback adp. Like it used to be,

743
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 5: you could get pocket passers in round twelve, thirteen, fourteen,

744
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 5: fifteen to my favorite teams on DraftKings were three later

745
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 5: round stacked quarterbacks pocket passing stacked quarterbacks this year though,

746
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 5: like Lamar Jaden Daniels, Drake May Jalen Hurts, elite duel

747
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: threat guys, they're not even going that much earlier than

748
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 5: Dak Stafford Caleb types. And so I have way more

749
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 5: two quarterback teams that have an elite quarterback or a

750
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 5: dual threat who I think are going too late, versus

751
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 5: more of the three stacked ones. So there's definitely some

752
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 5: huge meta changes going on. It also depends like who's

753
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 5: in my room. I do a lot of these five

754
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 5: five fives on DraftKings, and I know, like all the rags,

755
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 5: there's a lot of REGs in there. I know what

756
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 5: they're gonna do, you know what I mean, And so

757
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 5: like I it makes a difference there when you know

758
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Speaker 5: how people are gonna draft.

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Speaker 4: Also if you're going like like quarterback, like I had

760
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Speaker 4: a team today where I went Lamar Jackson, Dart Right

761
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,959
Speaker 4: and in that case, you're done at quarterback. That's been

762
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Speaker 4: that's been the big thing, because there's like pros and

763
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: cons to it, obviously, right because like the pro to

764
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: me would be advance piece slash. Maybe you can get

765
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Speaker 4: another stack in the in the playoffs, what have you.

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00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 4: But then the con obviously is there's this other flex

767
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: that you're just foregoing.

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Speaker 1: Are you more like.

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Speaker 5: Done at two in that case, Lamar Dart, I am

770
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 5: fine being done at two. I do do some backstacking

771
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Speaker 5: with those kind of starts. Sometimes let's say Mendoza falls

772
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 5: past Adp, I'll just take Mendoza and then go Mayor.

773
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 5: Or let's say, you know, I have a chance, I'm

774
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 5: at the turn in the back and I can go

775
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 5: like Gino, a d Mitchell or Sadiq Gino, like those

776
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 5: type of opportunities to find the third quarterback and get

777
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 5: a stack that can help you in the playoffs. And again,

778
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: the three quarterback stuff isn't even that important for regular season.

779
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 5: It is important because you want three stacks in the playoffs.

780
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 5: That is very clear, Like three stacked quarterbacks in the

781
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 5: playoffs is very valuable. So yes, I'm okay with Dart, Lamar,

782
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 5: if I see a spot to do it with one

783
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 5: of these late round guys, I will, but I certainly

784
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 5: won't force it.

785
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Speaker 1: Nothing.

786
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 4: That exact thing happened with me where Rogers went and

787
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: like I got Rogers in like round sixteen or so,

788
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: like he fell right because he usually would be like

789
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: fourteen and I just got Darnell Washington or something at

790
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 4: the end just to just.

791
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 5: To have or you could do the Bernard thing, you know,

792
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 5: Rogers into Bernard also, yeah, right right, So with you

793
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 5: going more wide receiver heavy than the market overall, just generally,

794
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 5: does that mean when you look at a strategy and

795
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 5: an approach like zero RB, A lot of people are

796
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 5: saying zero RB is dead?

797
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: At him?

798
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: Is zero RB dead? And Gun I was never really

799
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: a zero RB guy.

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Speaker 5: My favorite builds on DraftKings were always hero RB and

801
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 5: like I still do a lot of that.

802
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: It's just crazy to me, man, I don't know what

803
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: you think.

804
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 5: But like I was talking about running back heavy starts,

805
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 5: especially in season long but also on Underdog Best Ball,

806
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 5: and people would like literally laugh at me, like, oh,

807
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 5: you're such a boomer, Adam. You're all allowed to take

808
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 5: wide receivers, yes, and rookies early and now all these

809
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 5: people are doing these extreme running back heavy starts, so

810
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 5: I'm not doing much Zero RB are really any I

811
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 5: never really have, but I do think it's more viable

812
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 5: now because some of these wide receiver values are insane.

813
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 5: Like I don't know what you think, but to me,

814
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 5: like in previous iterations of Fantasy, Jordan Tyson, Christian Watson,

815
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 5: Tedrory McMillan, Burden a lave, I think these guys would

816
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 5: be going much higher in a different metas. So I

817
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 5: do think it sets up pretty well for zero RB.

818
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 5: If you're a zero RB bro, I'm more of a

819
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 5: hero RB at most extreme.

820
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Speaker 4: I think that that's that to me has been my

821
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: like it's weird that it's contrarian, right like, but it's

822
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: been like my like go to like get one of

823
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Speaker 4: these especially like like I've gotten a lot of like

824
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Speaker 4: unfortunately a lot of like five to eight spots in

825
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 4: the MILLI where it's like, like I don't I'm not

826
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 4: like super super high on Jonathan Taylor, for instance, right,

827
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 4: so I don't want to just like pound Jonathan Taylor

828
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: and get him every single time. I've ended up with

829
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Speaker 4: like a lot of jas because of that. You know,

830
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 4: some awesome amenra whatever. And then you find like a

831
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 4: pretty good pocket of running back in round two, and

832
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: then you hit that range of wide receiver in that

833
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 4: like three to five range where there's just so many

834
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 4: upside receivers that it's hard to not go wide out there,

835
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, I've naturally just been

836
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 4: going with my favorite value on the board essentially.

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Speaker 1: But it's a hero RB build, right, like just just

838
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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 4: And so I felt the same way as you have,

840
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: you know, like I think that like I tried to

841
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: describe this once, but like if you were to look

842
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 4: at like fantasy strategy from a zero to one hundred spectrum,

843
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 4: and like a zero is like a zero RB one

844
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: hundred being robust RB.

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Speaker 1: Year in, year out. I'm usually like in that like

846
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: thirty to seventy range in terms of.

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Speaker 4: Like the way that I look at strategy, right, whereas

848
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: the market often will try to go zero. And I

849
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 4: say the market like part of it's like touts, right,

850
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 4: it's other touts that are saying this and like driving this,

851
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: and so like like maybe I'm a little bit more

852
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 4: running back heavy, but like I feel like the game

853
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 4: itself doesn't change quite as much as some others make

854
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 4: it seem to be changing.

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00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 5: I also think people tout or they make their conclusions

856
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 5: about thinking about the scoring system. I mean, I'm way

857
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 5: more likely to go robust, star beyond underdog than am

858
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 5: on DraftKings, you know, and so I think that kind

859
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 5: of gets lost in the mix. One thing I will say, though,

860
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 5: is like I actually like balanced builds a lot this year,

861
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 5: and some people might disagree, but you know, I do,

862
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 5: and we'll talk about some of them. I do like

863
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: some of the Round four running backs. But also if

864
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 5: you go zero RB, you kind of box yourself out

865
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 5: from some of these later wide receivers that I like.

866
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 5: Like let's say you start six wide receivers in your

867
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 5: first seven picks. You can't really take pearsol Downs, Golden

868
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 5: Coker types, and I kind of like those guys also,

869
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 5: so I you know, one thing about doing the extreme

870
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 5: stuff is you box yourself out from falling values in

871
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 5: best ball, which is one of the most important things,

872
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 5: And you box out from guys that you like down

873
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 5: board at the position.

874
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. If you look at the latter

875
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 4: parts around one and then into round two, you have

876
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: a lot of interesting running back profiles. Like I said,

877
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: you know, if I get a JSN round one, I'll

878
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 4: get the falling running back value in that tier, you know,

879
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 4: and round two oftentimes. But I want to ask you

880
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 4: this because I've had a hard time kind of like

881
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 4: figuring out who I really really want to be. I mean,

882
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 4: I've kind of naturally found who I'm overweighted and underweight on,

883
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 4: but like, I also want to get that a little

884
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 4: bit more even the where I'm at right now, Like

885
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 4: if you could look at two of those guys in

886
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: that running back to here, wh who you want to

887
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 4: be overweight on, and maybe two who you want to

888
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: be underweight on?

889
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 5: Who would those running backs be? Okay, well, we might

890
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 5: have a debate on our hands. Let me give it

891
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: one that I hope is not controversial, the one that

892
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 5: I'm most overweighth on that pocket of running back, The

893
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 5: one that I'm most confident about in like back of

894
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 5: round one early round two is Kenneth Walker. I have

895
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 5: some information that one of the reasons Kenneth, like Seattle

896
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 5: wanted they wanted to retain Kenneth Walker. But he was like,

897
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 5: you guys have been playing me behind Zach Sharpnett. You

898
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 5: guys have not giving me enough touches, I'm out. And

899
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 5: so even if the money was equal, he wanted to

900
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 5: go to a place that would feature him. That is

901
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 5: undoubtedly to me Kansas City. Who if defenses are going

902
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 5: to play this deep safety cover two stuff against Mahomes,

903
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 5: they need Kenneth Walker to just go absolutely nuts. So

904
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 5: the way that the Chiefs offense gets unlocked this year,

905
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 5: to me, is just a ton ton ton of Kenneth Walker.

906
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: And like they've had such dusty running backs, like I'm

907
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 5: not even sure Pacheco's an NFL player, Cream Hunt was

908
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 5: so withered. Andy Reid, when he actually has had really

909
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 5: good running backs, has gone nuts with them. And so

910
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 5: I think Kenneth Walker as a screen player, as a

911
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 5: explosive play guy, is just going to go absolutely berserk

912
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 5: for the Chiefs very good offensive line. So that's the

913
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 5: one I feel most confident. The other guy at the

914
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 5: top that I like is one you just mentioned you

915
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 5: didn't like, so I'm curious on this one. It is

916
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor.

917
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me hear it. Before Daniel Jones injury.

918
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: Last season, Jonathan Taylor was Fantasy's MVP ye and I

919
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 5: think people like get lost in forgetting that. I also

920
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 5: think they do not like the backups get Ins and McGowan,

921
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 5: So people kind of tend to think of JT as

922
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 5: a two down back. He has been an extremely durable

923
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 5: for most part of his career. I think three down back,

924
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 5: we can catch a lot of passes. This is Brandon

925
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 5: Thorne's number six offensive line in the Colts. I'm a

926
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 5: little worried about Daniel Jones playing the level he played

927
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 5: at last year off the Achilles. It should be even

928
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 5: more JT, if that's even possible. So from a talent, explosive,

929
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 5: play workload, offensive line perspective, I thought JT was actually

930
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 5: pretty safe there in the back and round one. But

931
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 5: I'm curious to hear your your counter there right now.

932
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 5: I'm at like six percent JT. It's just not a

933
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 5: full fit.

934
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 4: So it's not But I do think that it's always

935
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 4: hard when you're when you're converting season long the best ball.

936
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: Because I did my draft guy, that's gonna be season

937
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 4: long focus. And if you're looking at like home league

938
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 4: type stuff, you know JT is going to be captured

939
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 4: more in that like CMC tier, then he will be

940
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 4: in that ladder tier. And so therefore that's where more

941
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: of like the fade idea comes from. Right. With that

942
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: being said, I get worried about number one, what Dimes

943
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 4: looks like. Of course, you know, coming off the injury

944
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 4: and the fact that like during that stretch they were

945
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 4: they were the best off They had the best offense

946
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: in football last year, Right, So I just see the

947
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 4: regression coming from an offensive standpoint in that way.

948
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: He's certainly going to get volume.

949
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: And so I don't think that he's like a bad

950
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 4: pick strictly because of that, but he's also been like

951
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 4: at most like more of that like eleven percent target

952
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 4: share player as opposed to that like fifteen percent target

953
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 4: share player. And so that's like the small edges whereas

954
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 4: like I look at a player like James Cook, for instance,

955
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: who could end up seeing like maybe not the exact

956
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 4: same amount of work on the ground as JT, but

957
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: there is that room for growth with James Cook within

958
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 4: his profile obviously a better offense, we felt feel better

959
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: about the offense, and if he does, because James Cook's

960
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 4: never been a ten percent target share player in his career, right,

961
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 4: And so you know, obviously there's the touchdown regression arguments

962
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: and such with Cook, which didn't happen a year over year.

963
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 4: But if he does see that like twelve thirteen, maybe

964
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 4: fourteen percent target, like, there's that room for growth, and

965
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 4: that's the kind of prospect he was comeing into.

966
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: The league too. Cook right like, he was supposed to

967
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: be that pass catcher. So that's why I like I

968
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: think Cook.

969
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 4: If I were like straight up to take one of

970
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 4: them in a full PPR format, I'm leaning Cook more

971
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: than JT. That's mainly the reason. JT's still like a

972
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: top five, top six running back for me. So I'm

973
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: not gonna like when it comes to those kinds of players.

974
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 4: It's really hard for me to be like, yo, you're

975
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 4: wrong about one of the best running backs that we've

976
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: seen over the last ten years. You know.

977
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I say the same thing when people are like, oh,

978
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 5: I got a round twenty play for you, I'm like, yeah,

979
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 5: how bad can it be?

980
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: It's round twenty. You know. It's kind of a similar idea.

981
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 5: We have Jonathan Taylor tenth right now in DraftKings and

982
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 5: James Cook twelve, super super close. I don't disagree with

983
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 5: the James Cook stuff. I like him also, but these

984
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 5: starts that are like JT or James Cook and then

985
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 5: Kenneth Walker. You know, I get how you can get

986
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 5: really running back heavy with stuff like that.

987
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: I like those starts.

988
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree, I agree. And so the two

989
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: that you would then that you're scared of basically yeah,

990
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: I mean I kind of feel like this is in

991
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: line with Market. But the first one is I'm just

992
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: worried about eight Chan just from a systemic level. So

993
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: much of his production has come through the air. I

994
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 4: have major concerns about Malik Willis capturing that. And then

995
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 4: you have like they're going to be so bad. I mean,

996
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 4: this is one of the worst rosters I can ever remember.

997
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: It just makes me queasy, like, oh, he turns an

998
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 4: ankle late in the season, what's the point You're trying

999
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 4: to get the number one pick anyways?

1000
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 5: Like why fight through it? So Hhan has been a

1001
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 5: pretty easy fade for me. I know Market is kind

1002
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 5: of on that as well. Let me just check ADP. Yeah,

1003
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: Market's at eighteen on eight Chan right now. It opened

1004
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 5: at like twelve, So Market's definitely been getting down on

1005
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 5: him and the other one that makes me queasy fade,

1006
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 5: But I do not have a lot of right now.

1007
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 5: We are at twenty one overall on a Maryon Hampton

1008
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 5: against an ADP of fourteen point eight. And it's just

1009
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 5: from a math perspective, once you start giving stuff to

1010
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 5: Keaton Mitchell, which I think you have to give a

1011
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 5: little bit to Vidal, give a decent amount to the

1012
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 5: tight end room, which is really strong. Give a decent

1013
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 5: amount to the wide receiver room, which is strong. Slow

1014
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 5: them down from Mike mcdan typical pace. It's hard to

1015
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: get there from math perspective when I'm Maryon Hampton. That's

1016
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 5: like my only argument though, because otherwise I want to

1017
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: like a Marion Hampton. It's just really hard from math

1018
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 5: perspective to get there on him at fourteenth overall.

1019
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally see that.

1020
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 4: My thing with the way that I've kind of approached

1021
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 4: the Chargers stuff that like in that individual draft, I'm

1022
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 4: thinking to myself, you obviously see the outlook, like the

1023
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 4: scenario where Hampton smashes right offensive line looks healthy and good.

1024
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 4: We're bullish on the Chargers offense, like it's you can

1025
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: see that outlook, And so I'm playing it as that

1026
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 4: scenario hitting in the times that I get Hampton, which

1027
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be like massively overweight or anything.

1028
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 4: And then I have a ton of Keaton Mitchell too

1029
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 4: in the scenario that the Median hits and they are

1030
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: splitting up that backfield, you know, in that way. But

1031
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: I agree, like I think that that's the that's the

1032
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 4: right kind of like I agree with Achan two Hans

1033
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: one of those guys.

1034
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Is going to go higher in home leagues as well.

1035
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: You know, he's more of that like back half of

1036
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 4: the first round type of player in those in that format,

1037
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: and I'm just I can't get there with.

1038
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 5: No, that's an easy fate. I mean, there's so many

1039
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 5: other options to take in the back half of the

1040
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 5: first round than a Chen.

1041
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's talk tight end real quick. Are you an

1042
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: early round tight end guy on DraftKings or do you

1043
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 4: wait and then? Is it like a or is it

1044
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 4: like a brock Bowers or bus thing for you?

1045
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1046
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 5: God, I feel like I've been results oriented with this.

1047
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 5: Like one year I won one of the I think

1048
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 5: I went like the DraftKings three to three three like

1049
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 5: a few years ago, and I was all late round

1050
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 5: tight end and I had Isaiah Likely who was like

1051
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 5: a bench player all year, score like twenty for me

1052
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 5: in the championship week.

1053
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,959
Speaker 1: And that was all I needed.

1054
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 5: Then last year I had a really good advance rate

1055
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 5: and lost almost all my teams in the five to

1056
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 5: five to five because Kyle Pitts just shoved it right

1057
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 5: down my esophagus.

1058
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: So like I have been, like, you know, back and

1059
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: forth on what to do with.

1060
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 5: Tight end, I'll say this generally, I do think elite

1061
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 5: tight end play is better on DraftKings. How do you

1062
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 5: separate at tight end on DraftKings by catching a ton

1063
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 5: of balls? Bowers, McBride, Lovelands, you know, just catching, racking

1064
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 5: up catch volume on underdog touchdowns are so much more

1065
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 5: of your scoring. I'm way less likely to say make

1066
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 5: elite tight end there. But yeah, I like the Bowers

1067
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 5: price on DraftKings. I've seen McBride slip to middle of

1068
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 5: round three lately. I doubt I'm gonna pass on that there.

1069
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 5: I think Colston Loveland is one of like the safest,

1070
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 5: most straightforward like profiles to smash. But there's also other

1071
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 5: pockets of the draft that I like. I think Fannin

1072
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 5: is interesting. I think Kittle is interesting. You can even

1073
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 5: start later, you know, Mark Andrews. I think is interesting,

1074
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 5: Juwan Johnson, and then you can even start later and

1075
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 5: go four. You know, I think Aconquo Hockinson, Gunner Helm,

1076
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 5: Terrence Ferguson. I've done some more four tight end builds

1077
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 5: this year than I have also, so I've tried all

1078
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 5: over the place. It's tough. I do think the whole

1079
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 5: idea of tight end to me is can you have

1080
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 5: a guy that can get you thirty in the playoffs,

1081
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 5: because you're probably need that, especially if you're playing the lotto.

1082
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 5: If you're playing the twenty five dollars Lotto, somebody in

1083
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 5: your pod is gonna have a tight end go for thirty.

1084
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: You will you have that, cause it's.

1085
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 5: Really hard to Matchlast year, Kyle Pitts gave me like

1086
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 5: forty two and my tight ends all scored like nine,

1087
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 5: and no matter how well the rest of my team did,

1088
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 5: I was just dead, you know. So like that, you

1089
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 5: just can't let that happen. And it's one slate. It's

1090
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 5: hard to predict, but you just can't let that happen.

1091
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I look, I had my I had a million

1092
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 4: finals team last year that had Pits and then I

1093
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 4: had Derrick Henry in the final. And it's just like

1094
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: that was just It's not like I'm sitting there being like, yo,

1095
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 4: Kyle Pitts is going to drop a forty burger right

1096
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 4: when we need it. You know, it's just the stars aligned, right,

1097
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 4: It's just a situation like that, And I think I

1098
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: think you're right though, Like there's there's so many of those,

1099
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 4: Like there's so many like relatively attractive pro I know

1100
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 4: that we feel like we say this every year where

1101
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 4: we're like tight ends deeper than usual, right, but like

1102
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 4: there are some really because we got a really good

1103
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 4: class last year, one of the best that we've seen

1104
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 4: in a really long time. And then we even have

1105
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 4: like the Terrence Ferguson dart throws from that class right

1106
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 4: that that are still pretty attractive and interesting. So that's

1107
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 4: boosting up and just kind of giving us more tight

1108
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: end options. And then I even have been drafting like

1109
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 4: Kenyan Sadiq because he falls on on on DK often

1110
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 4: and so like I think because of that, I still

1111
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 4: want to be overweight on Bowers, but I'm not as

1112
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 4: much as I thought I was going to be because

1113
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 4: there are these other outlets and.

1114
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 5: The other part of it is the NFL meta stuff,

1115
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 5: like you know, it's not Sadik versus Mason Taylor. They're

1116
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 5: gonna play different positions. They can play at the same time,

1117
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 5: you know, it's not Loveland verse comet. They can play

1118
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 5: at the same time in a lot of formations. So

1119
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 5: the way the NFL's going has allowed more tight end

1120
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 5: bets to emerge.

1121
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

1122
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 4: All right, let's go back to that fourth round wide

1123
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 4: receiver range that I was kind of talking about earlier, Like,

1124
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: I love the wide receivers in that range, are so

1125
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 4: many good ones. You mentioned that you're still drafting some

1126
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 4: running backs in there, which I am too. It's it's

1127
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 4: gotten to this point where like I'm trying to force

1128
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 4: it a little bit more because I get so enamored

1129
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 4: with the wide outs that are there, but I'm trying

1130
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 4: to get like more Javante or whomever you know is

1131
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: there in that range. Is that how you're looking at it?

1132
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 4: Or are you just leaning more wide receiver? Like how

1133
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 4: do you how do you view that like third to

1134
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: five round range?

1135
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I was just looking at the fourth round

1136
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 5: and the guys that I take, the running backs that

1137
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 5: I take consistently in the fourth round are Williams and

1138
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 5: Travis Etn. I've gotten some crazy Travis Etn prices since

1139
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 5: the Kamara news. You know, people are definitely spooked since

1140
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 5: the Kamara news. I think Kamara is like dust and

1141
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 5: they wanted to get rid of him, and they're just

1142
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 5: like doing him a favor, which is the worst way

1143
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 5: to run a business or a franchise. Like, look what

1144
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 5: the Eagles did. They just cut guys like Brian Dawkins, gone,

1145
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 5: Jeremi Tryer, like gone. You know, if it doesn't matter,

1146
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 5: you've been a hero to the city for ten years.

1147
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 5: Like they wanted to cut Kamara, they didn't have the

1148
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 5: balls to do it. So I'm really not that worried

1149
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 5: about the Kamara stuff. I think it does cap the

1150
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 5: sealing outcome from a pass catching perspective a little bit, yeah, greetm.

1151
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 5: But from a base case, I think Etn is totally fine.

1152
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 5: And I like Javonte also like as part of the time,

1153
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 5: So I do take those guys. I do prefer McMillan,

1154
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 5: Burdon McLaurin to the running backs like Dave Montgomery, Swift

1155
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 5: and Judgkins. So I'm like, really have very little of

1156
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 5: those guys Montgomery, Swift, Junkins, and I have a lot

1157
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 5: of Burden mcclaurin and a decent amount of of t MAC.

1158
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 5: I think that's the range you're referring to. But yeah, yeah,

1159
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 5: but yeah, I'm mixed in there a little bit. And yeah,

1160
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 5: are there other wide receiver profiles that you really.

1161
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: Like in that? In that round four ring? I like

1162
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: Wattle a lot. I'm in the Wattle this year. Are

1163
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: you Where are you at with Cam Scattabu? Are you?

1164
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: Is he?

1165
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: Is he part of your your consideration set? There? I

1166
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: take him.

1167
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 5: I definitely prefer ETN and Javonte though, But yeah, you know,

1168
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 5: the health stuff. I'll keep watching the health stuff on scataboy.

1169
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 5: But the way he scores fantasy points, I think is

1170
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 5: the way he plays the game is very fantasy friendly

1171
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 5: on Scattaboy, I think.

1172
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed.

1173
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: I actually had this conversation with Kitchen like an hour

1174
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 4: or two ago, where I was I was just looking

1175
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 4: at my exposure. I was actually using the solver and

1176
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 4: looking at some exposure stuff. And I've done ninety two

1177
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: million drafts so far. I've only taken Judkins once. Oh,

1178
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 4: and I'm a little bit nervous, but so I'm probably

1179
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 4: gonna boot it up a little bit, But at the

1180
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 4: same time, it's the same thing that you're talking about here, right,

1181
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 4: Like it's just I get really scared about the potential.

1182
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 4: Like I have a lot of Dylan Samson. I think

1183
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: Samson's actually pretty good late click, and but it's this

1184
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:01,959
Speaker 4: like this potential one dimensional you know, early down type

1185
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 4: back and a bad offense with a bad offensive line

1186
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 4: at least with some of these other Like even if

1187
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: that happens with Travis ETN because I agree, I think

1188
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: America cap is receiving upset a little bit, but that

1189
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 4: offense at least profiles will be better slash, that offensive

1190
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 4: line could end up being really good this year, you know.

1191
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: Like that that's where like the to me, the differences

1192
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: between like a Judkins and an ETN type.

1193
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. And yeah, like I don't think it's

1194
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 5: bad to go like people ask me all the time. Yeah,

1195
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 5: if you're doing one fifty, I get wanting to like

1196
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 5: not full fake. It's one slate, you know, Like how

1197
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 5: many times you know you know it's one DFS slate?

1198
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 5: Will you full fade a guy like all the time?

1199
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: You know? So it's not if you think about it

1200
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: like that.

1201
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 5: I think if you if you don't like junkins, I

1202
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 5: wouldn't force it, just like take your zero percent and pray,

1203
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: you know, like shit, I love it.

1204
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right.

1205
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 4: I want to I want to ask you about correlation,

1206
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 4: uh in the playoffs. A lot of folks who have

1207
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 4: been playing best ball who will obviously look and focus

1208
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 4: at week seventeen correlation, But how do you view like

1209
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: week fifteen and six I know Leoni's done some work

1210
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 4: on this in the past as well. Is it something

1211
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 4: that you're like actively looking And also I do want

1212
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 4: to throw out there too as like kind of an

1213
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 4: aside in your take, because this is more of like

1214
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 4: industry related than anything else. Do you think that people

1215
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 4: are not talking about week like like playoff week correlation

1216
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 4: as much because of the tools that are out there,

1217
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 4: you know, like the solver for instance, Like they're just

1218
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 4: relying on it.

1219
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: They know that it's there.

1220
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 4: You know that you're getting a week fifteen or sixteen correlations.

1221
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 4: You don't need to necessarily voice it and talk through

1222
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 4: it as you're doing. I just think there's like an

1223
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 4: interesting conversation there to be had.

1224
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 5: I think when the when the data like and the

1225
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 5: data is clear you can read Leoni's Best Ball manifesto,

1226
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 5: like having week seventeen correlation helps once you get to

1227
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 5: week seventeen period, you know, like it definitely helps. I

1228
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 5: think that was somewhat novel when it first came out,

1229
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 5: and it was like a really interesting thing and a

1230
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 5: new thing to think through that people that doesn't correlate

1231
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 5: to season long at all. I think now people are

1232
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 5: realizing what herzigan I think and we disagree with Leoni

1233
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 5: a little bit. Herzigan I worked on an article about

1234
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 5: what people should think about when they're on the clock,

1235
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 5: and we had week seventeen week sixteen weekfeedding correlation. We

1236
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 5: had that as the last thing to think about behind

1237
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 5: understanding draft capital by position. That's the most important stacking

1238
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 5: adjusting your drafts for ADP player takes like to me

1239
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 5: and her zig at least, all that is more important

1240
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 5: than week seventeen correlations. So if I'm like really torn

1241
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 5: between two players, I'll look at some correlation in the

1242
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 5: playoff weeks. I'll definitely look at their playoff matchups and

1243
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 5: what I expect the weather to be. But I do

1244
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 5: not go into my pick thinking, oh man, I better

1245
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 5: find some week seventeen correlation. You're like, I think that's

1246
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 5: a pretty big mistake.

1247
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: Period.

1248
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 5: There's a lot of times though, especially we're doing a

1249
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 5: lot of volume that like it's really close between two guys,

1250
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 5: and week seventeen correlation would be a very good tie breaker.

1251
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I try to view it to It's

1252
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 4: also easier like when you're in like the areas of

1253
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 4: the draft that just aren't as you know, important, you know,

1254
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 4: and you're in round eighteen or something like that, and

1255
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 4: like it's easier to get a bring back because the

1256
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 4: range of outcomes are crap anyway for you know, the

1257
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 4: high end outcome for those guys anyway, So might.

1258
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: As well try to But yeah, I agree.

1259
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 4: But also like I do think that solver and such

1260
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 4: like it makes it so much easier to not have

1261
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 4: to really worry about that stuff.

1262
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you can display on the solver tool also

1263
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 5: that JJ's referring to.

1264
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: You can display the playoff matchups.

1265
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't like to predict how good

1266
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 5: defenses are going to be for most of them, but

1267
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 5: I know some defense can be really good and I

1268
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 5: know some are going to be really bad. Like at

1269
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 5: the tails, I actually think we can and should try

1270
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 5: to predict which defenses are going to be really bad.

1271
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 5: So so yeah, I think looking at the playoff schedule

1272
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 5: is almost as important looking at the week seventeen correlations.

1273
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: All right, Now that we're in the end.

1274
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 4: Of the draft, and we talked about early stuff a

1275
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 4: little bit, do you have any any favorite like like

1276
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 4: late round, end of draft targets because everyone is always

1277
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 4: always always hitting me up and asking about this.

1278
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 5: It's so brutal because you know, if anyone talks about

1279
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 5: guys at this time of year when there's no news

1280
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 5: and you know, recording this July twenty eighth, for the

1281
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 5: last month, there has been zero news and so if

1282
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 5: you breathe on it, guy, he goes to like round

1283
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 5: fifteen around sixteen. So I think it's been actually been

1284
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 5: kind of a poor time to draft the last couple weeks.

1285
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 5: Like I consider my biggest edge in this best ball

1286
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,919
Speaker 5: stuff reacting to news, and when there's no news, like, okay,

1287
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 5: where's my edge if we're not reacting to news. So

1288
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 5: I've tried to slow down my drafting a little bit

1289
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 5: for now, guys that I've been taking back of draft lately.

1290
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 5: I've been trying to get a lot of Tank Bigsby.

1291
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 5: I think from a rankings perspective, and I know this

1292
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 5: just from projections, the guys that have a little bit

1293
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 5: of standalone value, like say a Pa Checko, are going

1294
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 5: to project and rank a little bit better. But in

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00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 5: the event of what I actually want to happen, in

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00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 5: other words, there's an injury ahead. I think Tank Bigsy

1297
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 5: could go absolutely berserk, and same.

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00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: With Ray Davis.

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00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 5: Like Bigsby and Ray Davis, if Saquon and or James

1300
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 5: could go down, I think they're gonna go berserk. So

1301
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 5: I like those one injury away guys at the back.

1302
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 5: The gap between Trey Harris ADP and Quentin Johnson ADP

1303
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 5: is just I don't get it. Trey Harris at one

1304
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 5: eight and QJ at like seventy. I take Trey Harris

1305
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 5: there every time I have like zero QJ. I was

1306
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 5: taking the stribbling stuff before all this news yesterday, but

1307
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 5: I'm sure people are gonna steam stripping he won the

1308
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 5: thirteenth today and yeah, yeah, it's a joke. I'm my

1309
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 5: most drafted player, which I don't even I don't even

1310
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 5: it's all round twenty. I don't even feel great about it,

1311
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 5: but Jalen Knowle is my most drafted player right now.

1312
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 5: I thought on a per route basis, he was good

1313
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 5: last year, and whereas Nico Collins and Jayden Higgins are

1314
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 5: outside players in theory, Jalen Nole fits really well. My

1315
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 5: concern is they love Xavier Hutchinson and they had chances

1316
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 5: to use Jalen Nole last year and just didn't. But

1317
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 5: he is my most drafted player right now. So yeah, Oh,

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00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 5: I think I had one more on here. Oh, Michael Mayer.

1319
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 5: I don't normally do like one in your way tight ends,

1320
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 5: but if brock Bauers goes down, Michael Mayer is going

1321
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 5: to smash, and so I take that a lot.

1322
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,959
Speaker 1: Mayor might even have standalone value.

1323
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 4: You know, he might give you like a couple of

1324
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 4: just random you know, off weeks where he's usable. I

1325
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: think that your note about the backup running back stuff

1326
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 4: is one that like I really started to change my

1327
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 4: tune on because I haven't really drafted much Pacheco at all,

1328
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 4: just because I don't think the talent profile is good enough, right,

1329
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 4: like you need Like, I think that's something that like

1330
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 4: fantasy players get wrong often, is that like they just

1331
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 4: think that oh, if you're in that RB two spot,

1332
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 4: therefore you will get work if something. But you need

1333
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 4: to be good, right, which is exactly why you're mentioning

1334
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 4: a Tank Bigsby because it's peripheral like his. His his

1335
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 4: secondary numbers were like great last year, you know, and

1336
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 4: so like like, but what I think is really interesting

1337
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 4: about that is that like people look at him as

1338
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 4: a zero as you're saying, But realistically, the usability of

1339
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 4: an Isaiah Pachecko type player is not any different than

1340
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: the usability of a Tank Bigsby like player, because the

1341
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 4: usability is like eight PPR points, you know, if they

1342
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 4: if they are getting that like backup work, you know,

1343
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 4: and maybe having a little bit more of a workloe

1344
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 4: as a Bigsby. But obviously the upside is there for

1345
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 4: for for the bigsb case, which is something I think

1346
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 4: a lot of people just get wrong often.

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00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like eight points is worth something in Best Ball,

1348
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 5: but I think you're overestimated thing Pachecko can get eighty

1349
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 5: eight points every week?

1350
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, for sure. What do you think

1351
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: about nol am I crazy?

1352
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 4: No? No, I like I like the nole call out.

1353
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 4: I throw random darts at that. I mean because it's

1354
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 4: a good backstack too. It's just easy if it's like

1355
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 4: Stroudfalls and stuff like that.

1356
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: I have a ton of NOL.

1357
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 4: I like the Trey Harris call out a lot too.

1358
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was like because doesn't didn't

1359
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 4: Silva one week just like up Quentin Johnston like crazy

1360
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 4: like and I'm blaming the DK shift on Silva, just

1361
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 4: going ham on Quentin Johnston.

1362
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: Because there was like a two week period QJ was like.

1363
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: In the nineties or something, and then he just goes

1364
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 4: up to the six seven turn out of nowhere, and

1365
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 4: so I'm not draft And the other weird thing is

1366
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: like like I have QJ in the Draft guide as

1367
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 4: a late round dart throw because he goes in the

1368
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 4: late rounds and like every you know, like mainly you know,

1369
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 4: Yahoo and ESPN and stuff on DraftKings, he's so early,

1370
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 4: whereas Trey Harris, I'm at like he's one of my

1371
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 4: highest roster wide receivers, right.

1372
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Speaker 1: Though I don't get it. I don't, I honestly don't

1373
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: get it on QJB.

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01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 5: But I don't eve want to tweet about it because

1375
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 5: there's like a lot of QJ fans out there you know,

1376
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 5: I don't need to hate.

1377
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine. I'm blaming Silva though, even

1378
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: if it has nothing to do with Silva. I'm just

1379
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: gonna fine, gonna.

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Speaker 4: Go that round, all right before I let you go

1381
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 4: one one bold prediction, one fire take about this this

1382
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 4: fantasy season.

1383
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 5: Yes, I'll go with more of a real life take,

1384
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 5: but obviously it flows through to fantasy. Bold prediction for

1385
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 5: this year, Joe Burrow is the NFL's MVP. And the Bengals, Yes,

1386
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 5: the Cincinnati Bengals win the Super Bowl, finally have like

1387
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 5: two legit stars on defense in DJ Turner and Dexter Lawrence.

1388
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 5: Finally have what like Randon Thorne has them as number

1389
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 5: fifteen offensive line could play even better than that. And

1390
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 5: like every time Joe Burrow stays healthy, I'm like, this

1391
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 5: could be the best best offense in the league. They

1392
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 5: He's so good it's crazy, you know. And like, obviously

1393
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 5: I'm mainly focused on DFS, and like every week that

1394
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 5: Burrow is out there and healthy regardless of matchup, I'm like,

1395
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 5: this stack has the ceiling to win the week. And

1396
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 5: so I really like the Burrow Chase Chase Brown type

1397
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,959
Speaker 5: stuff this year and I mixed T Higgins in there also,

1398
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 5: so yeah, I think Bengal's gonna be very good this year.

1399
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean they've.

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Speaker 4: Continue any of the offensive line for like the first

1401
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 4: time like ever for Burrow too, which is yeah, you know,

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