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Speaker 3: Good morning, what's.

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Speaker 4: Up, guys, How are you hey?

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Speaker 3: Pete good Really happy for all these players that have

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Speaker 3: had their lives changed financially, A lot of great stories

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Speaker 3: out there, a real opportunity to set themselves and their

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Speaker 5: And I know you're thrilled with all the moves that

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm happy that the guys get paid because that's

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Speaker 4: number one priority and come playing professional football is to

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Speaker 4: make sure you get paid, and so I'm happy for that.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is is that most of these moves

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Speaker 4: are way way way overpaid. Every in fact, almost every

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Speaker 4: one of them. I just don't understand. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: know they have money to spend. It just means you

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Speaker 4: go around and blow it. I mean, it's just crazy

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Speaker 4: some of the money being thrown around. And I know

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Speaker 4: there's a lot out there. I know the everybody is

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Speaker 4: that there. Well, the owners are making money and everything,

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Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean you have to be reckless with

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Speaker 1: I mean, Pete, we live in America. Isn't that what

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Speaker 1: we do. We get a bunch of money for like,

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Speaker 1: let's go spend this somewhere.

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Speaker 6: You know, why are you surprised that NFL franchise is

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know what, Brady never I get it,

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Speaker 4: and free agency is never what you think it's going

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Speaker 4: to be. It really isn't. And people will look back

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Speaker 4: I get it, and look what the Patriots did last year.

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Speaker 4: But the reality is, if you go look at the

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Speaker 4: top ten average contracts over the last couple of years,

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Speaker 4: three or four years, even go back whenever you want to,

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Speaker 4: they just don't seem to work out. There's maybe a

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Speaker 4: And so I just don't think it's the end all

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Speaker 4: need to continually go out and spend this kind of money.

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Speaker 4: Now for a team like the Raiders who have not

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Speaker 4: So I understand why they've thrown around the money that

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Speaker 8: I've referenced you quite a bit as well in terms

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Speaker 8: I mean, and so we hit the legal tampering, we

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Speaker 8: Does that mean that there was an illegal tampering taking

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Speaker 4: Well, let's start with the legal tampering. Back in the day,

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Speaker 4: what happens in legal tampering. Give me a break. These

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Speaker 4: So let's put that hoax to the side. Now as

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Speaker 4: They're going to be much better on defense. Time to

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Speaker 3: Pte Prisco, senior NFL columnists or CBS Sports, CBS Sports

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Speaker 3: HQ analyst joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Get

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Speaker 3: him on AX at Prisco CBS. All right, So, best

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Speaker 3: move and worst move yesterday for you was what?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 4: I loved the Linderbaum move by the Raiders. Now, having

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Speaker 4: Radio tell you that is to have a guy in

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Speaker 4: think that's why that move is really good for the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: So I love that he's a really good player. Is

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Speaker 4: it makes sense to go get in. I don't love

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Speaker 4: the Malik Willis move. And look, I mean, I'm I'll

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Speaker 4: I don't understand that. And this is a question I

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Speaker 4: but is he a better quarterback than him?

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Speaker 7: You asked that question earlier.

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Speaker 6: But here's what I presented to the guys, and so

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Speaker 1: You tell them what you think. Athlet's watched him now,

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Speaker 6: But how does that hit you if I say that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I get it, I don't agree with it.

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Speaker 4: If I understand what you're saying, what if he plays great?

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Speaker 6: Other coaches have I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Like that's the thing is, if you had asked me

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Speaker 6: In twenty twenty six, I think that's changed a lot

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Speaker 4: Okay, now, let me play the other side of it.

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Speaker 4: Let's just say Malik Willis is solid and they win

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Speaker 6: I say, Okay, I'm just a betting man.

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Speaker 1: But if you're eight and nine, I don't think you're

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Speaker 1: drafting twenty fourth. Okay, I think you're round, You're you're

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Speaker 4: You're not getting Dante Moore, you're not getting arch Man,

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Speaker 1: Pete, I don't think you understand how many guys are

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Speaker 6: But you could say you're not getting the top guys.

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Speaker 6: There's gonna be six guys who reviews that.

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Speaker 1: Lenora Sellers is going to be a part of that

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Speaker 1: Jade Milev is going to be a part of that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we can go through Okay, okay, but let's

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Speaker 4: be real. Some of those guys are developmental. I mean there,

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Speaker 4: let's be there are Look, you're the Notre Dame quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that at all. I don't agree with

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Speaker 4: Yeah? But let's not forget that the Jets are going

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Speaker 4: and they got three three first rounders. I mean, so

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Speaker 4: you're gonna see You're gonna see that the Steelers will

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Speaker 6: And they keep going, yeah, how many teams.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but Rady, they said, Pete, there's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Six guys taking in the first round next year, there's

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Speaker 4: It was gonna be a great quarterback draft this year too.

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Speaker 6: And no, Pete, it's not the same. It's not. It's not.

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Speaker 6: You and I have had this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I never said I no one ever said, oh, this

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you, I agree.

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Speaker 4: On the surface right now, twenty twenty seven, it looks

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Speaker 6: It's not on the surface, bro, do watch the two

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Speaker 4: But by the way, by the way, twin Viewers threw

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Speaker 4: anybody's wondering, I would have me personally, if I'm the Dolphins,

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Speaker 4: I play with twin viewers and going to the draft

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Speaker 4: the other thing, here's another one. I came out there yesterday.

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones wants fifty million dollars a year. That the

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Speaker 4: You know what I would do, I take the tag

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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray for one point three million. That's what I

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Speaker 4: would do. I'm not paying. Is there is there a

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Speaker 4: forty million dollar difference between Kyler Murray and Daniel Jones? No, right,

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Speaker 6: Now, well why why is that?

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Speaker 4: Is?

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Speaker 6: There is there a question about Daniel Jones not being

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Speaker 4: Or ony think, Well, because you know you are what

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Speaker 4: he got hurt. He's coming open Achilles and he wants

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Speaker 4: forty million, forty something million dollars a year. I can

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Speaker 4: get Kyler Murray for one point three million. Give me

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Speaker 4: a break. I'm not paying Daniel Jones forty something million dollars.

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Speaker 4: If I can get Kyler Murray from one point three

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Speaker 4: that makes no Now, I say we're equal, and they

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Speaker 4: you know, the contracts equal. If you're going to get

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Speaker 4: Kyler Murray for forty million a year, Okay, I get it.

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Speaker 4: Or twenty five million a year, maybe I get it.

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Speaker 4: But one point three million give me Kyler Murray. I

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Speaker 4: play with him.

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Speaker 6: Okay, real quick? Can I can?

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Speaker 1: I give you a list right now because I want

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Speaker 6: The first round next year.

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Speaker 1: Here's my list of quarterbacks that have potential to dancee Moore,

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Speaker 1: arch Van and we've talked about, right, your guy Sam Lovitt,

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Speaker 1: Your guy Sam, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know about Sam Lovitt.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's fine, but he'll be in contention with that.

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Speaker 1: Josh Truver, the kid who's going to Indiana. Mendoza was

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Speaker 1: hold on and Hoover might have more upside, all right,

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Speaker 1: Brent soares me the kid of Cincinnati transferred to Texas Tech.

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Speaker 6: He'll have a shot.

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Speaker 1: Sam will be draft eligible. I don't know how he'll

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Speaker 1: who we've talked about I mentioned Jade Mayava, Nico Iamaliava,

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Speaker 6: DJ Lagway's another guy where.

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Speaker 1: If he goes to Baylor and does what I think

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Speaker 1: he's capable of, he'll be in that conversation.

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Speaker 6: And I didn't even mention CJ. Carr.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you right now, Pete, that class is

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Speaker 4: Five of them will be drafted in the first round,

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Speaker 4: five and and and when you six and three of them.

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Speaker 6: Will I'll bet you. I'll bet you at Chicken Palm

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Speaker 4: Six okay, Well, three or four of them are gonna

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Speaker 4: be okay, and there'll be a take the bet, Pete.

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Speaker 6: I'll take the bet. The bet.

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Speaker 1: Take dinner on me next time in Fort Lauderdale, at

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Speaker 1: my at my my choosing. All right, if six you

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Speaker 4: By the way I d J. Langway goes to the

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Speaker 1: I think he's got much better year this year. He's

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Speaker 4: You gotta, okay, Brady, I'm gonna give you this.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of no because here, pete, pete. Stop.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing is, when I'm breaking down film and

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Speaker 1: made some throws and make some plays where you go wow,

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Speaker 1: like not many guys can make that.

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Speaker 6: So if you put in.

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Speaker 4: Other ones, you go, oh my god, what did he

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Speaker 6: And that's a young, inexperienced quarterback.

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Speaker 1: But if you continue to keep Honan develop him, there's

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Speaker 1: a chance that he develops in something a lot more

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Speaker 4: You better watch out. You better watch out him and

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Speaker 4: have found the siren the quarterback. Excuse makers, Oh.

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Speaker 7: No, just watch pe.

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Speaker 6: You're gonna let me a chicken parm dinner.

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Speaker 1: By the way, don't cheap out of me, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: get my sides and get appetizers to you.

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Speaker 4: I know what you get. You get that, you get

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Speaker 4: that giant chicken parm that's like.

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Speaker 6: This, Hell yeah, I do you and I'm making for it.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Brady, I'll be glad to pay that

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Speaker 7: It is good.

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Speaker 6: My guy at Aquaforna, he's the best. He's not.

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Speaker 4: No, but yeah, look I get it, Brady, but I

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Speaker 4: get Kyler Murray? And if you get Kyler Murray, are

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Speaker 4: you winning a championship? No? So what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: You get Kyler Murray and all of a sudden you

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Speaker 4: look at it and you go, wow, we won eight

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Speaker 4: conversation again for next year.

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Speaker 7: Where do you think he's Pete? Where do you think

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Speaker 4: There. There aren't many seats left, are there. I mean

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Speaker 4: coming back. You know the moves they made yesterday just

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Speaker 4: That's what I would do, all right.

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Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. You I know of

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Speaker 3: that deal from the Chiefs.

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Speaker 4: Didn't like it? He didn't like it. By the way,

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Speaker 4: think he should get he would get more than James Cook.

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Speaker 4: And he did, and you got fourteen million dollars average.

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Speaker 4: I mean that puts him up there with Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 4: forget he was splitting carries at one point with sharbon

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Speaker 4: Ay if it wasn't for that little three game playoff run.

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Speaker 4: Does he get that contract? I mean that's a legitimate question.

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Speaker 4: So do I like it? No, particularly when I look

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Speaker 4: over at the Chiefs and I say who Rush is

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Speaker 4: the pastor for the Chiefs? That's a problem for it.

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Speaker 4: Chris Jones is getting older. You know, Carlaptus didn't quite

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Speaker 4: live up to the contract last year. And now you

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Speaker 4: have cornerback holes and a safety hold where they went

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Speaker 4: and got Gilman. So they kind of filled that one

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Speaker 4: by getting a cheaper version of Cook. But they still

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Speaker 4: need corners, and so I think I would have had

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Speaker 4: I would have gone in a different direction with my money.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they needed the running back. You draft

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Speaker 4: those guys they're on the shelf, you go draft one,

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Speaker 4: you run them into the ground, and you draft another one.

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Speaker 4: That's what I would do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you're saying, but it was

455
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Speaker 1: never really healthy for any season. I mean, his rookie year,

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Speaker 1: you rush for one thousand, but he hasn't been a

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Speaker 1: hundred cent healthy till his past season, even splitting cares

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Speaker 1: you want over one thousand.

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Speaker 6: And I think you go back and look what he

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Speaker 6: did at Michigan State and they haven't been anything since then.

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Speaker 4: What round was he What round did he come in?

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Speaker 4: Did you draft?

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Speaker 6: I get that.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, I think he's maybe a

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Speaker 1: little better player than you give him credit.

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Speaker 6: He was the second round.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I think he's a pretty good I think

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Speaker 4: he's a pretty good runner, but I think he's a

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Speaker 4: He's not an elite runner. I think he bounces a

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Speaker 4: lot of stuff too much.

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Speaker 1: And people, is there's something too like for all the

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Speaker 1: position needs you just talked about, isn't there something to

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Speaker 1: the philosophy of like you'd rather pay your veteran like

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Speaker 1: running backs to are proven and linebackers and safeties and

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Speaker 1: then draft the top value guys at the edge or

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Speaker 1: at the cornerback spot. So that way you don't have

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Speaker 1: to pay them that big contract until they actually the

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Speaker 1: rookie deal comes up.

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Speaker 6: I mean, isn't that more of what teams are doing.

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Speaker 4: I personally, I'm never paying a running back. I'll be honest,

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Speaker 4: I'm not.

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Speaker 6: The worst, dude, the worst.

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Speaker 4: Now, I'll give you a couple of examples of where

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Speaker 4: I might the airbacks, you know, the McCaffrey and Garrett

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Speaker 4: cat out of the backfield those guys. But the way

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Speaker 4: the game is played, I'm not paying backs. And by

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Speaker 4: the way, everybody splits carries now anyway, So is there

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Speaker 4: is there a back you should give that kind of money?

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Speaker 4: I mean that that that to me, I wouldn't do that, huh.

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Speaker 4: Derek Derrick Henry, he's played so many Super Bowls in

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Speaker 4: his career too. I can't can't tell you.

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Speaker 5: See, well, well.

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Speaker 8: You just talk bad about Kenneth Walker though, so you

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Speaker 8: can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. That's

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Speaker 8: the Super Bowl MVP IVP being the most valuable player,

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Speaker 8: So he was the most valuable player on the field

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Speaker 8: outside of anybody else.

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Speaker 7: I'm just saying you can't go both ways.

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Speaker 4: You know, is the most valuable player in that game.

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Speaker 4: The Seattleield defensive line was the most valuable player in.

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Speaker 7: That game, but they didn't get the award Kenneth Walker did.

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Speaker 4: There's only so many big people who can play the

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Speaker 4: game in the planet. And so if you get those

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Speaker 4: guys on the offensive line, and you get those guys

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Speaker 4: on the defensive line and get the ability to knock

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Speaker 4: the quarterback down and stop the run, you're gonna win. Period.

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Speaker 4: I don't care who you're back is. That's the most

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Speaker 4: important thing. So that's where I would focus my money.

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Speaker 4: I would not pay a running back. I think they look.

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Speaker 4: I take the kid from Nebraska in the third round,

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Speaker 4: and you watch what he does when he gets to

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Speaker 4: the NFL, and so I think you can find running backs.

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Speaker 4: You know. I've never backed away from that. That's been

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Speaker 4: what Fredie knows. That's been one of my major beliefs

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Speaker 4: for a long long time. And I will never waiver

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Speaker 4: from it. And in three years when Kenneth two or

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Speaker 4: three years, when Kenneth Walker's contract is obsolete, then you

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Speaker 4: come talk to me.

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Speaker 7: Barkley took it, took the Eagles, They rose to the

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Speaker 7: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: And then what happened last year? He went off a cliff, didn't.

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Speaker 7: He They changed? Oh C's maybe philosophy. It was the

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Speaker 7: same that one year.

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Speaker 4: Remember that one year when they paid all the running backs.

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Speaker 4: They paid David Johnson, they paid uh the kid, the

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Speaker 4: Chargers runner, they paid all those guys, and the next

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Speaker 4: year they all, every single one of them was right

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Speaker 4: off a cliff.

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Speaker 7: Like I said, draft Dobbins. You're talking about Dobbins.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, before that, I.

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Speaker 9: Mean Michael Turner, Michael Turner, Melvin Gore. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 9: Melvin Gore never really got going in the league though,

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Speaker 9: yes he did.

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Speaker 4: You draft them, you draft him, you run him into

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Speaker 4: the ground, and then you draft another one and let

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Speaker 4: somebody else go pay him. That's exactly what I was.

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Speaker 5: That's what you're pete, before we let you go.

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Speaker 3: Your highest rated available free agent on your top one

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Speaker 3: hundred is Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 5: Best guess where does he sign?

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Speaker 4: The price is key right now. I think I think

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Speaker 4: he's asking for too much, and I think the market

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Speaker 4: is kind of drying up because of his price, and

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Speaker 4: so he's going to have to lower his price down

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Speaker 4: a little bit. And there's teams out there still need

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Speaker 4: pass rushers. The Bears need one. But what's the price.

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Speaker 6: I'm bad for that dude.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he's always asked for too, he's never

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Speaker 1: getting the price he wants since.

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Speaker 4: Well then, well here's the other part of it too, Brady.

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Speaker 4: He's pigeonholed as a guy who just rushes the passer,

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Speaker 4: doesn't play the run very well and don't done. A

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Speaker 4: lot of pass rushers get into that category over the years.

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Speaker 7: I mean that's racial, Pete. I'm telling you, they're discriminating

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Speaker 7: against Hendrickson.

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Speaker 4: He gets seventeen and a half sacks two years in

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Speaker 4: a row, and he gets I mean, it makes no sense.

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Speaker 4: So what do you do? He lives in Jacksonville. By

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Speaker 4: the way, if I were the Jaguars and that price

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Speaker 4: came down, I would sign him, put him on a

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Speaker 4: defensive line and make Trayvon Walker rush from the inside.

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Speaker 4: You get Armstead, Walker, hinz Allen and Hendrickson.

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Speaker 1: Go go ahead, off now go yeah.

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Speaker 5: Pete always always appreciate it. Get him money.

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Speaker 7: You are who you are, Pete, that's all. You are,

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Speaker 7: who you are, That's all.

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Speaker 4: You don't think he's any good. You don't think he's

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Speaker 4: any good, LaVar.

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Speaker 8: I think he's super good. I think he gets the

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Speaker 8: short end of the stick. All the time, there's like

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Speaker 8: three or four elite pass rushers, and Hendrickson seems to

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Speaker 8: be the one that there's always an excuse as to

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Speaker 8: why he shouldn't get competent.

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Speaker 4: I agree, I agree. But by the way, he's thirty

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Speaker 4: one off. He's thirty one coming off core muscle surgery.

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Speaker 4: That that matters too. But I'm with you. I would

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Speaker 4: find him in a minute. I think Campus should look

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Speaker 4: at him. At the Chicago that should look at him.

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Speaker 4: I think anybody that needs a pass rusher should go

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Speaker 4: pay that guy because he can disrupt your your offense

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Speaker 4: in a minute. So yeah, I'm with you, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I think he gets the short end. There you go.

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Speaker 7: He doesn't look as cool as t. J.

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Speaker 8: Watt in his uniform either, Like he looks normal, you

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Speaker 8: know what I mean. That's that's probably what it is.

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Speaker 8: That's what it is. Q.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know he want to spend the rather they

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Speaker 4: want to spend their money on running backs rather than

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Speaker 4: edge rushers.

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Speaker 3: Get him on X at Prisco CBS. He is Pete

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Speaker 3: Prisco Senior NFL columnist for CBS Sports Sports h Q

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Speaker 3: analyst Pete always a fun time.

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Speaker 5: We'll do it next week.

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Speaker 4: Hi, guys, take care there.

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Speaker 3: He is always upbeat, always positive things to say about

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Speaker 3: everybody around the league.

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Speaker 6: Who's the out there today?

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Speaker 5: Every running back got it, spreading it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not paying any running back run them into the ground,

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 3: I signed a three year deal with San Francisco. His agent,

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Speaker 6: And it's a sad day, man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he is by far and away the all

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Speaker 1: time leader in receiving for the Bucks.

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Speaker 6: Eleven straight seasons over one thousand yards.

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Speaker 1: You can go thirteen if he included his last two

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Speaker 1: You know, Chris Godwin, who's second in line for that.

657
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Speaker 1: So in touchdown receptions, I believe is that over one

658
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Speaker 1: hundred and one hundred and five hundred and eight somewhere

659
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: in that ballpark. So he's been a model of consistency,

660
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Speaker 1: a guy who I don't know you guys thought at

661
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: the last few years, but I really felt that he

662
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: was going to end his career with the Tampa Bay Bucks.

663
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Speaker 1: So it's unfortunate that's gotten to this point. But he

664
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Speaker 1: joins a team now who I think is going to

665
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Speaker 1: know how to utilize him red zones, target you know,

666
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Speaker 1: one on one opportunities.

667
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 6: It's about to take advantage.

668
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Speaker 1: Of his size advantage, but also you know, for the

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Bucks, kind of reconfiguring what this offense is

670
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: going to look like because he's been a mainstay and,

671
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Speaker 1: like I said, kind of a model of consistency during.

672
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Speaker 6: His time there.

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Speaker 7: It's interesting you said use them correctly, like use them

674
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Speaker 7: the right way?

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Speaker 4: Right? Is that?

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Speaker 8: I think that that's the whole reason and why he's

677
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Speaker 8: not finishing out as a Buck. I think we kind

678
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Speaker 8: of talked about this, touched on it yesterday Jonas in

679
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Speaker 8: terms of the idea of him saying he wants to

680
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Speaker 8: take on a new challenge. I feel like that was

681
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Speaker 8: translation for I want to go somewhere where I can

682
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Speaker 8: get the type of offensive minded play calling experience and

683
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Speaker 8: success that they're having in San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan.

684
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Speaker 7: So he's basically bailing out.

685
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Speaker 8: The reason why he's not going to finish as a

686
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Speaker 8: Tampa Bay Buccaneer is not because he's not getting offered

687
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Speaker 8: enough money. It's because he wants to have one more

688
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Speaker 8: opportunity at having a successful season and potentially a successful

689
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Speaker 8: year with a team possibly compete for a Super Bowl,

690
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Speaker 8: with a team that can use him correctly.

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Speaker 3: So his agent, Derek Gilmour released a statement yesterday and

692
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Speaker 3: said quote the Bucks made clear they would have loved

693
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Speaker 3: for Mike to finish his career in Tampa and potentially

694
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 3: become just the fourth player in franchise history to spend

695
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: his entire career as a Buccaneer and ultimately walk into

696
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: Canton representing the organization, Mike Evans' decision to leave Tampa

697
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: was never about money. The Buccaneers were extremely aggressive in

698
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: their pursuit and presented a very strong offer, demonstrating how

699
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Speaker 3: much they value him and everything he has meant to

700
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Speaker 3: the franchise. In the end, this decision simply came down

701
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Speaker 3: to Mike wanting a new challenge and a fresh opportunity

702
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Speaker 3: while he still feels he has.

703
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Speaker 5: A great deal left to give the game.

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Speaker 3: I'd also like to point out this probably also has

705
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Speaker 3: to do with the fact that they've had a different

706
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator for what four or five years now, every

707
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: single year, and it seem like, you know, maybe things

708
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: weren't weren't all smooth with Todd Bowles in Tampa Bay

709
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Speaker 3: last year.

710
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Speaker 5: They kind of melted down.

711
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Speaker 8: With him in questioned, Oh does I call him in

712
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 8: the question like, does this move signal something where the

713
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 8: front office, because I wonder, you know, we were talking

714
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Speaker 8: about if they were going to keep Bowles, retain him,

715
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 8: or move on from him at the conclusion of this season.

716
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 7: They end up keeping them.

717
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 8: Do you guys feel as though if they would have

718
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 8: brought in a different coach, depending on who that coach was,

719
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Speaker 8: Mike Evans would have wanted to stay. I feel like

720
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Speaker 8: these are questions that are on the table.

721
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that makes a difference to me

722
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: because he's going to play for a different coach now,

723
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: so he's.

724
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Speaker 8: Right, But what if it's a more offensive minded coach

725
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 8: that they brought in, Like, I think the reason why

726
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 8: he left is because he wants to go with Kyle Shanahan,

727
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 8: who is more of an offensive minded, offensive centric coach,

728
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 8: whereas Bowls is a defensive first, defensive minded type of coach.

729
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Speaker 7: I just I think the pure it says it could be.

730
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 7: It could be a nothing thing.

731
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Speaker 8: But I just wonder when you make this choice and

732
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 8: it's not because of money and you want to be

733
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 8: used the right way, that's basically saying who you have

734
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 8: in place in Tampa right now, isn't that person?

735
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 6: Yeah? And that could be the case.

736
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: I just think from Tampa side of it, they're looking

737
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: at saying, hey, you're gonna be thirty three this year.

738
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, you haven't had a full season since twenty

739
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: twenty three, and even though you've been a mainstay here

740
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: and productive in twenty twenty four, still in over.

741
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Speaker 6: One thousand yards. You know, we feel like we're probably not.

742
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: Gonna be able to pay you what you want, and

743
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: so you might as well go.

744
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 6: Go find somewhere else for something to prove.

745
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: And that's all that's how I see it, you know,

746
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I just maybe you're right, maybe that was part of

747
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: it too, But I just think it might be come.

748
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 6: Down to more of a money thing.

749
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: And to be quite honestly, maybe saying I don't know

750
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: how many more years I have left, and am I

751
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: going to find myself in the right position the right

752
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: team to go win one?

753
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 6: Maybe feels like he's got the best chance of doing

754
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 6: that San Francisco.

755
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 7: So are they not being truthful?

756
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 8: Because if you're saying, if they're saying, it's not about

757
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 8: the money, I want to go take on this different challenge,

758
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 8: which to me is I e. I want to play

759
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 8: for an offense a heavy team, is it?

760
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 7: Is it?

761
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Speaker 9: Or?

762
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 8: Why would they put it out there that it's not

763
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 8: about the money, it's just about a new opportunity.

764
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 6: I think it's hard to put it.

765
00:33:59,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 4: For me.

766
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 6: I think it's hard to put it out there that

767
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 6: it's about the money.

768
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: You know, It's like, did did Kenneth Walker sales about

769
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: the money when he left Seattle?

770
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 6: I mean, not too many people put it, you know

771
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, like that so many people put that

772
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 6: out there?

773
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, I think Mike Evan they offered him a lot,

774
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 8: but they offered the center a lot they offered Lyndenbauma

775
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 8: a lot in in Baltimore, and they even threw the

776
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 8: number out there, They threw the figure out there that

777
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 8: they offered him.

778
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.

779
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone ever says, like, hey, it was

780
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: about the money. I think it kind of maybe comes.

781
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 7: Hand in hand.

782
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,959
Speaker 3: That's like I think Mike Evans looked at the rest

783
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: of the band members playing on the deck of the

784
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: Titanic and said, I'm not gonna write down with you guys.

785
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: Can now, you guys can finish this song. I'm gonna

786
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: get out of here all right, have fun. And I

787
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 3: got ladies. Them ladies need a man's help on on them.

788
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 8: Life raths right, I'll go go ahead, and I'm gonna

789
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 8: go ahead and hop out.

790
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go pay more in taxes

791
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: in California and practice next to it nuclear reactor.

792
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 8: That's how much I'm over this place. I'm gonna go

793
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 8: ahead and jump off this s s R. Tampa Bayon.

794
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: I just yeah, it's I I thought for sure when

795
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 3: he signed the two year deal a couple of years ago.

796
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: I thought that was because all the conversations were that,

797
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: you know, it might be his last deal. He had

798
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: even hinted about how much longer he wants to play,

799
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, you know, it's a

800
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: three year deal. Whether he plays that whole three years,

801
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: it's just you know, who knows. But you know, he

802
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 3: seemed like I just assumed he was going to finish

803
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: his career at Tampa, Like I just assumed that that's

804
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: how this story was gonna be written in.

805
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 8: I think most people did, and it would have been

806
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 8: a great story because how many, I mean, how many

807
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 8: players will start and finish with the same franchise. I mean,

808
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 8: that's modern day, modern day NFL like l Green, Kelsey

809
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 8: probably will, that's a good one. How many that might

810
00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 8: be the only one.

811
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 5: Joe Thomas. Okay, so Thomas is one.

812
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's not not very commonplace now, it's not common.

813
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 8: It hasn't been common actually in free agency, you know,

814
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 8: era of time, it's not it's not common. So, but

815
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 8: Mike Evans was one of those names. He's super close

816
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 8: to being the one, you know, one of those those names.

817
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 8: But hey, good luck to him.

818
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,960
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Speaker 6: Time to find out what's left tons incredible.

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Speaker 2: Here's the left.

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Speaker 5: Over there rylor Ray Ray, what do we got?

842
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 11: Well, you know, I love to keep you updated on

843
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 11: our relationship drama. Well, Luka Doncic, she's got some baby

844
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 11: mama drama. You know, the chubby boy on the Lakers. Yeah, anyways, Shelby, Yeah,

845
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 11: that's what I've heard.

846
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 7: They called him low calorie. But he's been like fluctuating.

847
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 8: He's been you know, he called him low calorie, Luca,

848
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 8: but you know he's he has been fluctuating a little bit.

849
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, Cup, His relationship is fluctuating as well. Luka Doncic

850
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 11: is right cleared all photos of them together.

851
00:37:59,239 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 6: They're and gay.

852
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 11: Their wedding photos and they just got married back in

853
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 11: twenty twenty threes and they have a little one together too.

854
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 11: He's also been seen liking photos of Instagram models, so

855
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 11: you know, those paper trails sure to follow you.

856
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I hurt you, So what what's the problem?

857
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 11: I wouldn't mind, but you know, some people got issues.

858
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 11: He moved to la and left her back at their

859
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 11: big home.

860
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 7: So oh, whoa.

861
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 11: I mean you're asking for problems when you.

862
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: Do that, right, I mean, you know, if the trust

863
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 3: isn't there, what do you got?

864
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, A nice house.

865
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 7: That's right, you're gonna have more than that.

866
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 11: Oh no, speaking of that, let's get into prenups pre

867
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 11: nups for days. Dallas quarterback Dak Prescott and his fiance

868
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 11: allegedly called off their engagement. They were to get married

869
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 11: next month. His rumor has it that his fiance refused

870
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 11: to sign a prenup, but she actually went online and

871
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 11: said that's not what caused it. They actually had a

872
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 11: huge blow up argument during their joint bachelor bachelorette parties

873
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 11: in the Bahamas. So she said that's when they called

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Speaker 11: it off, and now they're going to be focusing on

875
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Speaker 11: just raising their children together.

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Speaker 5: Joint.

877
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Speaker 8: You never want to get involved in these types of

878
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Speaker 8: situations because they'll make up eventually. And everybody who took

879
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Speaker 8: a sad on it, you you're you know, you're wrong

880
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Speaker 8: one way or together this Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, like, I mean, if they're

883
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Speaker 1: not gonna be together, it's better to know now than

884
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Speaker 1: a year or two in the marriage, right, Like, yeah,

885
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Speaker 1: it's like.

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Speaker 8: You're right, Okay, that's a I mean, that's a that's

887
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Speaker 8: a perspective too, that's your perspective.

888
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Speaker 7: But to it.

889
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Speaker 6: Well, you feel like if you pick a side right now,

890
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Speaker 6: they'll be blowback towards you, not me.

891
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Speaker 8: But you know, I mean like because they always liked

892
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Speaker 8: the picture. No, they get a little bit of time,

893
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Speaker 8: They get a little bit of time, they circle back

894
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Speaker 8: around like you wanted a friends right you thought you

895
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Speaker 8: was doing a solid use gay perspective. Then they get

896
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Speaker 8: back together and then you look at you You're no

897
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Speaker 8: longer friends anymore. You know, that's just how that works. Yeah,

898
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Speaker 8: what's stay away from these types of situations.

899
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Speaker 3: Who's reporting that they had a fight during their bachelor

900
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Speaker 3: bachelorette party?

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Speaker 11: That is what his fiance said.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, he said it.

903
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Speaker 11: She said that it's not because of a prenup. I'm

904
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Speaker 11: not money hungry. It had to do with us having

905
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Speaker 11: a tumultuous relationship.

906
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Speaker 5: What would have caused that at the bachelor bacheler up.

907
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Speaker 7: All that time to figure that out.

908
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Speaker 6: Oh what do you think? It is?

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Speaker 3: Just well, I just think that maybe uh, maybe one

910
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Speaker 3: of her friends got a little bit too comfortable and

911
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Speaker 3: felt like, listen, there's no threat here, what's the problem, And.

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Speaker 6: They do a joint.

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Speaker 7: That's the first issue.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's never going to go on.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, your male friends and your female friends altogether.

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Speaker 5: What did you just say, LeVar?

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Speaker 7: What I just thought I sneaked that in there. I

918
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Speaker 7: was listening.

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Speaker 11: We'll check the website later see if anything new.

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Speaker 4: Is it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you guys, check to see if you got that

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Speaker 7: free