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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news President Lanskay, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining Bloomberg.

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Speaker 2: Victor Orban was here yesterday and Hungary is now at

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Speaker 2: the helm of the European Union with a rotating presidency.

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Speaker 1: He's been a hurdle at.

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Speaker 2: Times to get aid to Ukraine, and in Kiev the

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Speaker 2: first time he's come since the war broke out, he's

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Speaker 2: calling for a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: What's your response?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for this question.

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Speaker 4: Firstly, the fact that the Orban came You do hear

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Speaker 4: the interpretation right, So firstly the fact that Orban came here.

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Speaker 4: It is a good signal. It is much better than

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Speaker 4: not having the dialogue. It's important for us because we

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Speaker 4: are neighbors. I tried several times to establish the relationship,

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Speaker 4: to make the rich between our countries closer.

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Speaker 3: And I think now we've managed to do it. We've

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Speaker 3: had this meeting.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what would be the outcome of it

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Speaker 4: all in the future. It's hard for me to say,

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Speaker 4: but this is a good and warm step towards each

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Speaker 4: other because the neighbors want to live and talk and

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Speaker 4: keep and so supporting each other instead of blocking. And

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Speaker 4: I'm happy that Hungary is now supporting Ukraine on the

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Speaker 4: path towards the EU.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: In terms of the ceasefire, as you said, I've explained

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Speaker 4: clearly we cannot in this war. We cannot just talk

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Speaker 4: about ceasefire. I want to have the plan and our

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Speaker 4: people need the plan. We cannot simply trust put in

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Speaker 4: like in principle. We cannot trust him because he is

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Speaker 4: a killer and the aggressor. And it's important that Hungary

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Speaker 4: admits the Treasure is the aggressor. It's important that Hungary

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Speaker 4: recognizes ukrains territorial integrity and sovereignty. So in terms of

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Speaker 4: the ceasefire, I can clearly explain that we've had hundreds

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Speaker 4: of meetings since the Mensk agreements many years ago. We've

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Speaker 4: had agreements about ceasfire between Included and Russia, and Russia

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Speaker 4: has been always breaking all the agreements and has been

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Speaker 4: killing our people. So only if it's on some international

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Speaker 4: forum in the presence of the countries leaders who are trusted.

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Speaker 4: They might have different ideas, different views on the stages

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Speaker 4: how this war will be over, but we all have

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Speaker 4: to be on the same side. We have to trust

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Speaker 4: each other. Trust is very important. The peace summit, by

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Speaker 4: the way, has shown that we can follow this plan

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Speaker 4: over one hundred countries then and today we're talking about

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Speaker 4: the nuclear security and energy security, and there will be

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Speaker 4: a clear plan. So the ceasefire also, it's a clear plan.

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Speaker 4: We must understand the trusture would not be using ceasfire

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Speaker 4: to simply accumulate equipment on the territory, our territory that

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Speaker 4: they've occupied, because we will not be striking them. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they can use that to create a strong feasty and

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Speaker 4: then accuse us of breaking of breaking the ceasefire, and

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Speaker 4: start another invasion. So it's really complicated for us. It

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Speaker 4: would take a significant loss for US if they invade again,

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Speaker 4: as in the beginning of twenty twenty two, when they

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Speaker 4: have almost reached the capital city and they accumulated a

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Speaker 4: lot of equipment on the territory of Belarus, and Belarus

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Speaker 4: kept saying that now it's just the exercise and no

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Speaker 4: occupation is in mind. It's just the training, it's just

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Speaker 4: military games. So it's very important. I really don't want

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Speaker 4: to have this big trouble for my country because we

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Speaker 3: Now it's just hoomble we need to be smart.

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Speaker 4: And it's important also who will be responsible for this

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Speaker 4: besides the Ukrainians who are paying with their lives, which

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Speaker 4: but it's very difficult to.

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Speaker 3: Enforce it, to keep it.

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Speaker 4: It's very difficult to find those who will respond why

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Speaker 2: But we're going to see more cost for a ceasefire,

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Speaker 2: especially as the world politically is moving to the right

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Speaker 1: In the United States. You have said this war is

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Speaker 1: dependent on us aid.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you, did you watch the presidential

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Speaker 2: debate between Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump?

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Speaker 4: So and foremost, the ceasefire is an important element in

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Speaker 4: any plan to finish the war. So a ceasfire is

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Speaker 4: not finishing the war. We've been there. It would be

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Speaker 4: just a frozen conflict, and it would be frozen for

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Speaker 4: the aggressor. It would be frozen on our territory and

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Speaker 4: our people would be under the occupation. This gives a

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Speaker 4: clear advantage to one sign That's why it's easy to

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Speaker 4: offer different proposals of ceasefires. But what's important, it's important

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Speaker 4: to find answer what would come after it's the matter

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Speaker 4: of not just the victory that there are many people

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Speaker 4: talking about is fine, and it's fine that people are

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Speaker 4: are talking about what would happen text That is the question,

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Speaker 4: for example, what's the next step, what's the third step?

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Speaker 4: What would be the step on putting brakes? This is

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Speaker 4: far after the sea is file, a month after this

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Speaker 4: is fire? Will he pull out the troops out of Ukraine?

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Speaker 4: Who guarantees that he will pull the troops out of

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Speaker 4: the occupied territories? And the silence? Nobody has answer. I'm

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Speaker 4: not accusing. I just want to explain that we are

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Speaker 3: So the debates, I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's the answer of how this might all unravel

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Speaker 2: will depend on also who's at the table from the United.

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Speaker 4: States, amongst other things. It might depend on who is

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Speaker 4: the president of the US. Yes, that's a fact, because

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Speaker 4: the US, the United States of America today are probably

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Speaker 4: the powerful, the most powerful player. So the matter whether

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Speaker 4: the United States would be the major international player, whether

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Speaker 4: they want that or they want to focus more on

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Speaker 4: the internal politics, I cannot say. It doesn't depend on me.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch the debate?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I watched.

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Speaker 4: I watched the debates, So first and foremost, I would

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Speaker 4: to say, I don't know. Maybe it would be out

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Speaker 4: but I watched and like, we are not electing the

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Speaker 4: president of the so I didn't look at the incumbent

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Speaker 4: president and the former president. I looked at them in

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Speaker 4: terms of Ukraine. And maybe vious public apologize forgive me,

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Speaker 4: but they're electing the president. But I was watching from

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Speaker 3: Of them.

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Speaker 2: Can do so much time with president more than most

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Speaker 2: other world leaders.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen a deterioration in his health?

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Speaker 4: The deterioration was difficult for me to say about the

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Speaker 4: Biden health is difficult for me to say.

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Speaker 3: It would not be really.

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Speaker 4: Ethical from my side. Biden did a lot.

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Speaker 3: For Ukraine, really a lot.

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Speaker 4: So I think it's important that the person acts. Biden

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Speaker 4: did many steps to strengthened Ukraine, and I can be

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Speaker 4: frank we wanted to have more from him, that's true,

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Speaker 4: but there are different processes, there are different issues. That's

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Speaker 4: not only specific to the US. The European leaders too.

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Speaker 4: We wanted the world to be more decisive and to

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Speaker 4: put and to put put in in place. We all

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Speaker 4: wanted that I'm sure that one person cannot break the

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Speaker 4: general rules, cannot reshuffle lands.

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Speaker 3: In the world and territory. So the world.

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Speaker 4: Has no right to enable one person Pultin, to break

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Speaker 4: all rules. So I think both President Biden and European

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Speaker 4: leaders they have to be more decisive. This is what

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Speaker 4: I think. And in terms of Trump, I watched the debate.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to hear their opinion about the war and

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Speaker 4: the end of the war, and they didn't hear anything new,

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Speaker 4: which shows that mostly they all were focused on their

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Speaker 1: What we did hear about the war.

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Speaker 2: President Trump said he'll end the war before he's elected.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you that door? Let me be frank ah,

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Speaker 3: not pretty close.

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Speaker 4: For example, well, the decision is on us public but let.

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Speaker 1: Me just a mistaken it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So let us.

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Speaker 4: Imagine that the winner might be might be Trump in November,

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Speaker 4: and she knows how to end the war.

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Speaker 3: He has a plan. Yeah, President me.

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Speaker 4: As the president of the country at war, not theoretical person,

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Speaker 4: but a real life person, I would like to be prepared. Well,

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Speaker 4: we are forty millions, we're a big country, and we

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Speaker 4: really depend on the aid from the world, and we

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Speaker 4: depend on the aid and the position and the stands

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Speaker 4: of the US. So I would like to understand what

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Speaker 4: would it mean to finish war fast tomorrow? Do we

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Speaker 4: want the war to be over tomorrow? We didn't the

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Speaker 4: war even to start. It was Putting who started it.

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Speaker 4: But I hope you agree that it could be fair.

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Speaker 4: If Trump knows how to end this war, he should

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Speaker 4: tell us today, because if there are risks to Ukraine's independence,

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Speaker 4: if there are risks that we will lose the statehood,

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Speaker 4: we want to be prepared for this. We want to

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Speaker 4: understand whether in November we will have the powerful support

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Speaker 4: of the US or will be all alone.

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Speaker 1: Do you plan to meet with Trump before the election.

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Speaker 4: If Trump, if President Trump, if he a is ready

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Speaker 4: to discuss the topic of ending the war in Ukraine today,

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Speaker 4: I'm ready to meet him. This is really important for

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Speaker 4: me because the American people elects the president they want.

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Speaker 4: It might be Biden, it might be Trump. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: We don't know this, but if if Donald Trump is

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Speaker 4: have surprises for us later.

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Speaker 3: I would like to know it in advance.

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Speaker 4: It might be closed from public if there's something secret,

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Speaker 4: but it's important for us to know it here because

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Speaker 4: this is our life. Only our lives are at stake

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Speaker 4: here and nobody can just trade our Has anyone.

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Speaker 2: From your team been a communication with anyone that's linked to.

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Speaker 1: The former President Trump?

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Speaker 5: No, No, we had we. I mean we have communications.

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Speaker 6: And even before President Biden have been elected, we had

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Speaker 6: communications and I had meetings with Trump and his team.

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Speaker 6: I think that a lot of people changed from since

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Speaker 6: those times. Yeah, we had communications.

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Speaker 1: And during you know, when he wasn't president, when he was.

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Speaker 5: The president, we had communication.

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Speaker 1: And after he was president we had Now.

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Speaker 6: During this process in Congress, I think that you have

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Speaker 6: to understand us. We had to communicate with all of

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Speaker 6: of the Congress.

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Speaker 5: So of course we had communications.

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Speaker 2: We saw the Foreign Secretary of the Kingdom, David Cameron

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Speaker 2: go to mar laggo would you consider sending someone from

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Speaker 2: your team?

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Speaker 3: So I think.

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Speaker 4: We cannot just play some behind the scenes game. It

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Speaker 4: would not be fair. It would not be fair for

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Speaker 4: the American people, and don't be fair for the current president.

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Speaker 4: I think that it would be wrong, It would be correct.

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Speaker 4: If I made President Trump, that would be correct. We

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Speaker 4: have this serious story here, we have this wall, we

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Speaker 4: have the challenges, So why do we need the behind

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Speaker 4: the scenes game. I support the direct dialogue. Some things

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Speaker 4: can be open in public, some things can be restricted,

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Speaker 4: something in between the two of us. But who are

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Speaker 4: we afraid of? Emeritive is sporting Ukraine. Ukraine fights for

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Speaker 4: democracy and the United States.

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Speaker 3: Are the leader of the democratic world.

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Speaker 4: We are fighting for the values of civilist and countries,

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Speaker 4: and we are fighting the second largest army in the world.

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Speaker 3: So everyone knows the risks. So why do we need

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Speaker 4: I am a person with a big experience in TV.

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Speaker 3: Media.

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Speaker 4: Media can bring the person up or put them in place.

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Speaker 3: Easy, and.

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Speaker 4: The response to the questions of those percents of United

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Speaker 3: How is he now?

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Speaker 4: I think the answer is simple, he makes strong steps.

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Speaker 4: If Biden shows strong steps and I cannot push, I

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Speaker 3: I just want to make myself clear.

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Speaker 4: If present Biden shows strong, decisive steps, which demonstrates strong leadership,

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Speaker 4: this will be the response.

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Speaker 1: I think you're forty six years old.

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Speaker 7: Did you do your job at eighty one?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Wow? I don't know. It depends. It depends on many things.

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Speaker 6: Your house and who is around you, your team and

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay to President.

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Speaker 2: It's concerning because for you, because if the United States

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Speaker 2: and Europe start to withhold AID, this will be a

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Speaker 2: problem for your budget. If that does happen, how are

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Speaker 3: Well? Withholding the budget?

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Speaker 4: Well, it can happen if the US politics changes, if

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Speaker 4: whether it's permissible to do what's put Indeed, and this

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Speaker 4: not be reducing the aid. But once again, we are talking.

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Speaker 3: About the future.

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Speaker 4: The next year, we all can show that we are strong.

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Speaker 4: We all can make Russia and the war this year.

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Speaker 3: We all are capable of this.

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Speaker 4: When we're all together, we can demonstrate what I said,

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Speaker 2: But in terms of your budget, there's one area where

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Speaker 2: Ukraine does bring in capital and that's Ukrainian pipelines.

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Speaker 1: Europe wants to see continue to see the gas flow.

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Speaker 1: Where are the talks for the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: What's the solution, because I know you don't want Russian gas.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we don't want to extend the gas contract with

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Speaker 3: We don't want them making money here.

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Speaker 4: This is my main signal to the government of Ukraine

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Speaker 4: The rathers negotiations if it.

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Speaker 3: Is run a normal contracts.

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Speaker 4: If not, Russian gas would be supplied to the European countries. Well,

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Speaker 4: we as future members of the U, we would have

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Speaker 2: Friends, good guess from Azerbaijan. A Zeri gas be acceptable to.

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Speaker 4: It is one of the proposals, Yes, the Azerbaijani company,

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Speaker 3: Dealing with this. Now.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about China.

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Speaker 2: The Finnish president sat down with Bloomberg yesterday and said

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Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin, what role do you want to see China play?

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Speaker 3: I would like China to play a serious role.

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Speaker 4: It's a big country and really it's the second largest economy,

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Speaker 3: This shows that the President of Finland, Lena he is right.

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Speaker 4: China could play a tremendous role without weapons. Indeed, without weapons,

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Speaker 4: they would be able to help us all to pressure

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Speaker 4: put it into stopping the rules.

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Speaker 2: Evidence of Chinese dual use products, whether it's lethal weapons, chips,

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Speaker 4: Have one hundred percent evidence that Chinese weapons ends up

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Speaker 4: Let me view Frank Unfortunately, there are some European paths

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Speaker 4: and one can stop this if the if the will

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Speaker 3: This could not.

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Speaker 2: We have fresh reporting overnight that actually Chinese companies and

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Speaker 2: Russian companies are working together to develop an attack drone

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Speaker 2: similar to the Shahari drones.

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Speaker 1: So put So is a Shiji pin lying to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I cannot assess what sitzen Thing told me.

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Speaker 4: I talk to him directly. He said that he will

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Speaker 2: If he does, should the U S and the Europeans

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Speaker 4: If China develops jointly with Russia some weapons which will

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Speaker 4: then yes, I'm sure that it would be possible to

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Speaker 4: put the sanctions absolutely.

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Speaker 3: To work on this.

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Speaker 1: China didn't attend your peace type.

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Speaker 4: The President putin as a process to if the next

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Speaker 4: the it would follow the plans we foresee, and the

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Speaker 4: second summit would have the plan with all the items,

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Speaker 4: the plan to end the war how we see it,

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Speaker 4: and we'll.

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Speaker 3: Have more countries of the world. We work in this direction.

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Speaker 4: If this plan is ready, we organized the second piece

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Speaker 3: Who will see so would be putin? Yeah, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: I think he's afraid to leave.

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Speaker 1: Russia want to be acceptable for you. If Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 4: Is it possible that someone else besides Putting comes I know,

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Speaker 4: maybe by the time there'll be someone someone else in Kremlin,

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Speaker 4: then we'll talk to someone else. Is there a.

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Speaker 2: Third party mediator that has credibility in your eyes and

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Speaker 4: I think the United States, America China. I think yeah,

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Speaker 4: these two I know that there are many many questions

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Speaker 4: between the two understand that. But if we want this

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Speaker 4: they will have to find some stance to stop putting

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Speaker 4: together in different ways, but together. Otherwise the proposed ending

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Speaker 4: I think the most powerful thing would be to have

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Speaker 2: You're going to be at NATO next week in Washington,

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Speaker 2: d C. President Biden recently said there will be no

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Speaker 2: natalization of Ukraine. What more, do you need to do.

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Speaker 2: You're at the gates. You've been asking to let in

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Speaker 2: what more needs to be done?

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Speaker 4: First and foremost, I would really like this summit to

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Speaker 4: to abuse the situation. So we need successes for us all.

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Speaker 4: What's important is to make this sumitter success. It's natal

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Speaker 4: So for me, for the train's security, well, this is

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Speaker 4: you said, yes, we probably would like to have some

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Speaker 3: Here. But I think I think.

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Speaker 4: If we want to see the strong America, strong in

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Speaker 4: the meaning which I think now is very much expected

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Speaker 4: We all would like to see that.

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Speaker 3: I think something like an.

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Speaker 4: Invitation would be a really strong sign that nobody is

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Speaker 2: Do allies need to start thinking about the German model

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Speaker 1: Even though it doesn't have all of its territory under

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Speaker 4: Firstly, we've never received this offer officially, and as I said,

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Speaker 4: I can always say frankly and honestly the RAPH for

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Speaker 4: doesn't have this opportunity. The more public Ukraine is, the

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Speaker 3: Me, that's one thing.

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Speaker 4: Secondly, I am the president and the guarante of the

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Speaker 4: we must understand what exactly is offered, Who is offering why?

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Speaker 4: And then we should understand the opinion of all of

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the state of the war now,

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Speaker 2: the territory.

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Speaker 1: It's entering its third summer.

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Speaker 4: have the brigades without weapons. We have the reserve. We

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Speaker 4: do not have all the equipment, they do not have

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Speaker 4: the weapons, which have already been voted and discussed the packages.

450
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Speaker 4: Weapons should arrive, and they're slow. We appreciate the Congress

451
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Speaker 4: for their support, yes, but it should right here. We

452
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Speaker 4: cannot just discuss some counteroffensive activities.

453
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Speaker 3: We need to protect what we have.

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Speaker 4: We want to start the counter offensive when we are ready,

455
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Speaker 4: and we are ready when the weapons arrive.

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Speaker 3: And now it's not.

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Speaker 1: Here counteroffensive this year or next year.

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Speaker 5: It depends, it depends.

459
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Speaker 6: It will be immediately when we will have all the

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Speaker 6: equipment which was voted in Congress and also was supported

461
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Speaker 6: by European.

462
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Speaker 5: Packages, European leaders.

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Speaker 6: Timeline, I don't know, nobody knows. I think this is

464
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Speaker 6: the biggest tragedy of this war, that between the decision

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Speaker 6: and real fact we have, you know, real long, long,

466
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Speaker 6: long way.

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Speaker 5: That's why, that's why time to time.

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Speaker 6: Russians they understand what we will do, no secrets, they

469
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Speaker 6: understand our offensive or countra offensive steps. They understand because

470
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 6: it's too long of preparing to so many people are

471
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Speaker 6: speaking about so many people know that.

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Speaker 5: This equipment is for saus and this is for East.

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Speaker 6: And then leaders when they supported and when they decided

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Speaker 6: to support Ukraine, and then after supporting they come to

475
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Speaker 6: officially to media and say, yes, this weapon will go

476
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Speaker 6: to the south exactly where guys will take this equipment

477
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 6: and go strictly and of course no secrets, no surprises

478
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Speaker 6: for Russians that's why countraofensive is so difficult.

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Speaker 2: So long do you have enough manpower, yes, a weaponry.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's difficult to speak about people that it's

481
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Speaker 6: you know that the soldiers always say that it's never enough,

482
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Speaker 6: and civilians always say, we think that we have a

483
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Speaker 6: huge number of people and then big army and we

484
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 6: have to pay sellers, and it's very difficult to pay

485
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Speaker 6: taxes and to you know, collect such volume.

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Speaker 5: Of money for army and etceter.

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Speaker 6: But for today, situation is much more better than it

488
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Speaker 6: was during the last three months.

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Speaker 5: And so that's why.

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Speaker 6: That's why I said to you that the number one

491
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Speaker 6: is equipment.

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Speaker 5: For today, military packages. They have to be here.

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Speaker 3: They have to be here.

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Speaker 2: The United States has asked you to not target Russian

495
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Speaker 2: refineries because they're concerned about higher US oil prices. Do

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Speaker 2: you feel that they're putting their own economic interests above

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Speaker 2: your security.

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Speaker 4: That's a complicated question. I think you know the answer

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Speaker 4: to this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, probably the are you acquiescing Let me be Let.

501
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Speaker 4: Me explain my stance. We had many different dialogs. My

502
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 4: position is very open. We have our electrical infrastructure targeted

503
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Speaker 4: and nobody was able to put.

504
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Speaker 3: In in place.

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Speaker 4: So that he would not be transforming this war or

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Speaker 4: the special military operation, as he said, into the genocide

507
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Speaker 4: of the Ukrainian people, by leaving them without potable water,

508
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Speaker 4: by leaving hospitals without electricity.

509
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Speaker 3: This is genocidal policy. Nobody stopped put in.

510
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Speaker 4: Then we started targeting his energy sector.

511
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Speaker 3: So that he would understand.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he understands anything now, but we

513
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Speaker 4: started targeting it. And then suddenly everyone started talking to

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Speaker 4: us that, oh, you should stop these steps because that

515
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Speaker 4: would be the escalation. No war already is the highest escalation.

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Speaker 4: How can we escalate the work anyway? Now we have

517
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Speaker 4: this very specific situation. Allostens is simple the world. It

518
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Speaker 4: hurts when we hit Russia's energy sector. So make Russia

519
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Speaker 4: not targeting our energy sector.

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Speaker 3: This is a simple formula.

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Speaker 2: The US also said there's no change in policy when

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Speaker 2: it comes to attack on. You have a team in

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Speaker 2: the United States right now. They met with Secretary Blink,

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Speaker 2: They met with Natural Security Advisor Jake Selvin. Any change

525
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Speaker 2: in policy you think you'll see from the US.

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Speaker 4: If there's no change of policies, then it makes no sense.

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Speaker 3: To use the attackers.

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Speaker 4: It makes no sense to use them because once again,

529
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Speaker 4: when we wait a long time before striking anything. In

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Speaker 4: case of Russian planes, for example, everyone has said they

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Speaker 4: have these airfields, the bases, military airfields where the planes

532
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Speaker 4: are stationed, and they fly there, and they should the

533
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Speaker 4: guided aerial bombs on us, thousands of bombs.

534
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Speaker 3: So if we do not make Russia take.

535
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Speaker 4: The planes further into Russia to the distance from which

536
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Speaker 4: they cannot launch the guided bombs, where they can only

537
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Speaker 4: use rockets and missiles, and the missiles are also bad,

538
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Speaker 4: but there are much less of them than the bombs.

539
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Speaker 4: If we don't force Russia to withdraw the planes, they

540
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Speaker 4: will just keep destroying every living thing here.

541
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Speaker 3: So how can we force them?

542
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Speaker 4: We need to have weapons which would target them military airfields.

543
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Speaker 4: If the United States are not giving us the possibility

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Speaker 4: to do that, to use that weapons, then it would

545
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Speaker 4: have no efforts.

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Speaker 2: Another piece of technology that's been very useful to you

547
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: has been Starlink. But there's been reports about Russia interference

548
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Speaker 2: in star Link.

549
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: Do you trust Elon.

550
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Speaker 4: Musk with MASCU, we use starlinks, We trust starlink. Starlink

551
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 4: as a system has been very helpful. We've got some

552
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Speaker 4: information that the Russians have started also using starlinks following

553
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Speaker 4: our example. That's unfortunate. That's a tragedy. It does not

554
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: depend on us. It's not our startlingks. They couldn't get

555
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 4: them from us, so they got them from somewhere else.

556
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Speaker 3: Unfortunate. This is the modern warfare.

557
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Speaker 2: But do you trust Elon Musk because there's been a spat.

558
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Speaker 3: Between you and the past bully Nerosmia in the past.

559
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Speaker 4: In the past, I don't think we had any personal misunderstandings.

560
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Speaker 4: I could disagree with his rhetorics, he I think disagrees

561
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Speaker 4: my rhetorics.

562
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Speaker 3: This is how it goes.

563
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Speaker 4: But I'm fighting the war and he is there in

564
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Speaker 4: the United States of America. If she wants to know

565
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: what is happening here, he can pay a visit here.

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Speaker 4: He is a well known person and we do appreciate

567
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Speaker 4: for helping us with the Starlings.

568
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Speaker 2: One of the things President Biden said in that Time

569
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Speaker 2: magazine interview about you joining NATO, he said some of

570
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Speaker 2: the issue was he spent a lot of time user senator,

571
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Speaker 2: spent a lot of time years a vice president. He said,

572
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Speaker 2: there's too much corruption, and at the moment, there has

573
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Speaker 2: been concerns that you've been concentrating power in too few hands.

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Speaker 2: Your chiefest staff, Andre Yrmac has been described to me

575
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Speaker 2: by people on both sides of the Atlantic as not

576
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Speaker 2: number one, but also not number two. Are you concerned

577
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Speaker 2: that he has too much power and potential to a

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Speaker 2: liability which we've seen in some of the polling data

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Speaker 2: in Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: If you analyze the media about Andrew Yrmag they started

581
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Speaker 4: talking like this after they said similar things about the

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Speaker 4: previous chief of staff, and then they talked like that

583
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Speaker 4: about a parliamentarian. There was another guy. Now they talk

584
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Speaker 4: about your Mark in this way. You must understand this

585
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: all is done to simply attack me. Russia has been

586
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: launching lots of disinformation that I don't decide that there

587
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 4: are some shadow leaders, that the president is not in

588
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Speaker 4: control of his party, or the president does not have

589
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Speaker 4: any influence on different ministers.

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Speaker 3: And so on.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to have influence. There's the law and

592
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: the president according to the laws of Ukraine. Yeah, Mark

593
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: is a powerful manager, is one of the very powerful

594
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Speaker 4: managers in my team. I deeply respect him for showing

595
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Speaker 4: the results. He does what I tell him to do

596
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 4: and he fulfills the tasks. And this is like that

597
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 4: if you want to weaken a person, you will heed

598
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Speaker 4: his team, and when you finish the team of this person,

599
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 4: then you will start hitting the president. This is politics,

600
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Speaker 4: the politics of those who are not happy with me.

601
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Speaker 4: And it's not only the Russians who are not happy

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Speaker 4: with me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The Russians, of course would be the first who would

605
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Speaker 4: be happy to destroy me, because for.

606
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Speaker 3: Them it's one of the plans to.

607
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Speaker 4: Occupy Ukraine and they have also lobbied this in other

608
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Speaker 4: countries of the world. But unfortunately, not only the Russians

609
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,479
Speaker 4: want to have a weak president of Ukraine. A week

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Speaker 4: president of Ukraine. Is the possibility to take half of

611
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Speaker 4: Ukraine's territory, is the possibility to stop Ukraine halfway on

612
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Speaker 4: entering the EU during the US.

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Speaker 3: The possibility to have my mouth shut.

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Speaker 4: It's the possibility to have a different person at the

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Speaker 4: helm of Ukraine who would not have influence.

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Speaker 3: On the public.

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Speaker 4: This is the task for many in the world. This

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Speaker 4: is what's happening. I want to I want to say

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Speaker 4: also in general, the Ukraine which nobody discusses and which

620
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Speaker 4: nobody hears, this type.

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Speaker 3: Of Ukraine would be very convenient for many people. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: might be affected.

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Speaker 4: Because we don't develop our agriculture and expert expert Some

624
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 4: would be happy that we do not show the example

625
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Speaker 4: of how we can stop the Russian expansion and bring

626
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 4: the Soviet Union back. Someone would be happy that we

627
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 4: do not inspire other formats of the union in the republics.

628
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Speaker 4: Strong Ukraine creates problems for many.

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Speaker 3: Strong Ukraine is needed for many.

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Speaker 4: But strong Ukraine is fair and just, and most countries

631
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Speaker 4: of the world need this type of Ukraine because we

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Speaker 4: show an example.

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Speaker 1: There's two more questions.

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Speaker 2: I'd like that if you don't mind answering in English,

635
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Speaker 2: because I couldn't quite get it earlier with the translation.

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Speaker 2: When I asked you about former President Trump, you plan

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Speaker 2: on meeting him to prepare for potentially if he's president

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Speaker 2: of the United States.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I said, yes, I said that I'm potentially ready

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Speaker 6: to meet with President Trump. Of course, for me is

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Speaker 6: very important. So my for me is very important. Not

642
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Speaker 6: to have any surprises, which.

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Speaker 5: Can which can be very tragical.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah in English, Yeah, very tragic to Ukraine. I

645
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 6: mean that I don't want to have any surprise. I

646
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 6: want to understand whether what he means when he when

647
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Speaker 6: he said or when he says, or when his team.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's not him, maybe some socle he's close.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know these people. I mean that.

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Speaker 6: I said to you that I knew a lot of

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Speaker 6: people from when he was the president.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so I don't know.

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Speaker 6: His his close persons.

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Speaker 3: Not too much about it.

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Speaker 5: They can't they can't, I mean this. They can't plan.

656
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Speaker 6: My life and life of our people and our.

657
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Speaker 3: Children, etcetera.

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Speaker 5: That's why I'm not pushing.

659
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Speaker 6: I'm just My message is is if they have the plan,

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Speaker 6: it can be maybe not public because of the elections,

661
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Speaker 6: but but I think we have to know it before

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Speaker 6: to prepare.

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Speaker 2: He also said at the debate that it was Putin's

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Speaker 2: dream to do this, and he said he told me

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Speaker 2: about it. Had he ever told you about what Putin's

666
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Speaker 2: invasion of Ukraine?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 5: No, Trump.

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Speaker 2: Trump said, Putin saw what happened in Afghanistan and then

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Speaker 2: he took that moment and said I'm going to go

671
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Speaker 2: in invade Ukraine. And Trump said this was his dream.

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Speaker 2: He told me about it, his dream when Trump was president.

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Speaker 2: Did he ever play that information to you?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 6: I think I think, I think, yes, it's true. I

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Speaker 6: think it's true. Maybe it's not I think it's true.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that put In.

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Speaker 6: It was Putin's dream to occupied Ukraine. No better way

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Speaker 6: to occupied Ukraine like he did it with Belarus. Not

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Speaker 6: to occupied the characteries, but to do total, to to

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Speaker 6: have total influence on everything, institutions, government, security service, army,

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Speaker 6: what he've got on Belarus, what he mostly did with Moldova.

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Speaker 6: But then a lot of changes with the new president

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Speaker 6: and etter, but he did a lot, and and that

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Speaker 6: I think that is cheaper for him not to fight.

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Speaker 6: It was cheaper, but he couldn't do it with Ukraine,

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00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 6: with us, with Ukrainian people. That's why, that's why he

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Speaker 6: began this total occupation, because his dream Russia just you

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Speaker 6: to know, I'm sure in one hundred percent, Russia without

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Speaker 6: Ukraine is zero. Russia without Ukraine and Belarus, it's just

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Speaker 6: a small country, just just a normal country, not ever

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Speaker 6: never empire. That's why put In wild fight to then

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Speaker 6: to have any possibility to occupy Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Before you were a wartime president, you were a comedian.

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Speaker 1: What was the last joke you told?

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Speaker 3: I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: Do you still find humor in life? In these dark

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Speaker 1: and books?

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Speaker 5: Every day?

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Speaker 1: You're in books tragedy.

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Speaker 6: Some sometimes in books, sometimes in Internet, a lot of

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Speaker 6: different memes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny to have to.

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Speaker 6: Have some sometime early early in the morning, I read

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Speaker 6: news and sometimes I see something and the five o'clock

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Speaker 6: in the morning, six o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 5: Some moments are funny.

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Speaker 6: But the most funny things when I have possibility to

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Speaker 6: see my children, not finding my daughter.

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Speaker 5: She's adult, she's very serious.

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it's true now, but but Tana is very funny.

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Speaker 2: But as a comedian, even though we're in such you're

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Speaker 2: in such dark times. I mean, you're dealing with funerals

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Speaker 2: every day, you're dealing with tragedy on a daily basis,

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Speaker 2: you can find a moment for humor.

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Speaker 5: We have to find sometime moments for.

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Speaker 6: For such you know, for such mood because if you

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Speaker 6: are very I mean, if you we are focusing all

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Speaker 6: my time on the war and on the station in

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Speaker 6: Ukraine and abroad.

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Speaker 5: I have so many questions, you know, so many questions.

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Speaker 6: But of course some moments, we have some sweet moments,

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Speaker 6: like I said, was with children and sometimes sometimes with

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Speaker 6: the people.

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Speaker 5: Some some jokes.

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Speaker 6: It's normal, you know, like like we like surgeon, surgeon.

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Speaker 6: It's not surgeon surgeons slection. Like surgeon, they operate and

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Speaker 6: they have to focus, yes, really to give people.

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Speaker 5: Life, bring life again.

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Speaker 6: But with some some of them, I know some guys,

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Speaker 6: especially on the front, and they always joke between these operations, yes,

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Speaker 6: because they said that otherwise we will be crazy and

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Speaker 6: we have to find these moments. That's why I also

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Speaker 6: find moments.

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Speaker 1: President Zelenski, thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, thank you for coming ver much

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Speaker 6: appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you