WEBVTT - All Things Pinehurst No. 10 with Architect Angela Moser 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.920 And when I find my ball in a bride Egg 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.600 Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg Friday, Frida Egg, bri Egg, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.160 Fridagg Bride Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:38.000 of the hump course. Welcome to the Frida Egg Golf Podcast. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.199 I'm Garrett Morrison and my guest today is Angela Moser. 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:46.400 Angela was the lead associate for the construction of Pinehurst 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:49.800 Number ten. That's a Tom dok design that opened in 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.440 early April. It's the first course that Pinehurst has built 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.400 since the nineties, and it's the first project for what 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.840 will be called Pinehurst sand Mines. This is kind of 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:03.080 a satellite facility about a ten minute drive from the 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.399 main hub of the resort, and the land is really 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.640 dramatic in this area, really different from what you see 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.120 on the first nine Pinehurst courses. So this is a 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:17.680 major project and a major opportunity for Angela Moser. Angela 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.720 has worked for Tom Doak for about thirteen years at 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.920 this point, but this was actually the first time she 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.080 served as the lead associate on a construction job, so 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:29.520 she was on hand earlier this week for a little 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.840 media function that the resort held at the Number ten course, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.240 and after that I was able to sit down with 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.039 her in the library at the Holly Inn in Pinehurst 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.959 and talk a bit about the course and her career. 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.800 It's a really fun conversation and that's coming up in 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.760 this episode. But first a word about our sponsor, Ores 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:52.080 and Alps. Ores and Alps makes skincare products designed with 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:56.040 men's needs in mind. 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I'm like, yeah, I probably start 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.840 in Pinehurst and then meander down. I really wanted to 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.320 see what Brian Schneider and Blake Conan did at Old 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.560 Bombwell and then also the tree farm that Kai Golby 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:46.520 and Zach Blair shaped. And he's like, okay, well I'll 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:51.440 meet you in Pinehurst. And that was just after our 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:58.560 Renaissance Cup in Ireland at Sam Patrick's and turn out 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:04.200 he caught COVID. Yeah, and I was going there by myself. 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:07.760 When You're like, I'll send you a map look at 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:13.160 the map and I'm like, okay, well this looks pretty cool. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.599 What is this? I was like, well, they approached me 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.640 to build Pinehers No. Ten and I want you to 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.920 go there pitch it to them, and then you know, 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.839 you would be the lead associate. This would be your 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.960 first lead job for me, and what do you think? 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:41.080 And I'm like, that's you know, that's pretty heavy. That's 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:46.240 a big, big, big project to start as a lead 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:51.880 associate for Tom. There's you know, I don't want to 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:56.440 say there's pressure. Yeah there's pressure, but it's so heavy 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.960 because this whole town just loves and lives golf, and 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.559 you know, you just want to do a really good job. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.000 And then of course it's not just the town. It's 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:12.560 like it's a cradle of American golf and then there's 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.919 you know, everyone from Renaissance Golf that I just felt like, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.120 I really want to make this a special place, and 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:25.320 you know, I want them to be proud and want 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.280 them to come back and say like, oh, yeah, this 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.000 is this was really cool and this was really very 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:35.120 enjoyable and turn out really really good. So I don't 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.719 know if I make myself a lot of pressure, but yeah, 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:40.120 there was there was a lot of a lot of that. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:42.560 Pressure can be a good thing, right. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.080 Yeah, it keeps you going for sure. Yeah. Absolutely. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.560 What did you think when you first saw the property 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:50.000 out there? 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:58.440 Really grand? Like the topography is just nothing I've seen 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:05.800 on any others course, and you know, it was undeveloped 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.440 for such a long time, so that you had a 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.400 lot of different vegetation out there and a lot of 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:18.039 wildlife and it was just the sanctuary out there in 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.919 the middle of nowhere, and I thought it was so beautiful. 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:28.160 So yeah, I really really liked it. And the rolling 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.960 hills of Pinehurst in North Carolina are just, you know, 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.800 perfect for golf, So it was beautiful. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.360 Was there anything about the site that when you looked 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.200 at it, some some detail of it that made you 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.719 think that might make it a little bit tricky? 0:06:46.240 --> 0:06:46.960 The gas. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:53.560 Of course, Well tell me about the gas line. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:59.440 So there's there's a gas line that's crossing Hull one. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.240 Used to Crosshold two as well, but we avoided that. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:10.920 It crosses whole six, seven, eight, and eighteen, and you 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:16.480 know you're not allowed to basically even drive your normal 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.840 truck over it because you know, you don't know how 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:24.520 deep the gas pipeline is, and yeah, you don't want 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:25.240 to blow up. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.720 So you don't want somebody to take a bulldozer in 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.280 there and hit the wrong thing. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.880 You don't want to get the bulldozer close to it. 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.040 And then you also want to you know, we had 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.560 special crossing points where you know, we built up dirt 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:48.119 to have like a dirt bridge over over the gas line, 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:50.840 and those were the only points where you could actually 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:55.640 access from one side to the other. Yeah, so it's 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.520 a bit more complicated, but I think we managed our 0:07:58.600 --> 0:07:59.200 way around. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:06.880 Well. You have this big kind of straight cut through 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.320 the property where this gas line is, and you can 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.320 see it if you're looking for it, but if you're 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.440 just playing the golf course, you might not notice it. 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.680 And I think that's probably a credit to the routing 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.360 of the course and how the course gets across it 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.000 in a variety of different ways. So, like, how did 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:31.880 you and Tom manage that when you were, you know, 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.960 coming up with the routing for the course, how do 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.680 you think about like working your way around the gas 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:41.160 line and across it in ways that didn't feel like repetitive. 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:47.680 So basically Tom's trick is that you play over the 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:52.440 gas line always you know, you don't have a landing 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.920 area anywhere close to the gas line. So on Hold one, 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.440 you have your drive and then you over it to 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.120 the green and you just walk over it, and it's 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.640 actually a fair way that's split up between your drive 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:14.840 and you know, the second landing area and approach. So 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.680 we renaturalized that so you don't really trying to hide 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.240 it as much as we can. On Whole six, it's 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.640 the same same idea, like you have your drive and 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:30.280 your second shot is actually playing over it. And what 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:35.559 we did is again renaturalizing the area and actually make 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:40.480 it more looking like not like ravene is the wrong word, 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:45.320 but like a little washy, like a wash out type 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:49.840 of thing with native plants in it. And because it 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:54.360 the topography on Whole six is actually you know, everything 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:56.760 washes onto the gas line, and we didn't want the 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.400 gas line to wash out. We had to just you know, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:05.160 slightly change the shaping of the area without you know, 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:08.440 getting into the gas line. So there was a little 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:12.240 bit of work to be done there. But again, you 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.320 your second chot plays over it because you're crossing the 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:20.040 hazard and the hazard, you know, is kind of part 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.760 of the the gas line. 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:28.000 What was the basic timeline for the construction of this course. 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.760 It was pretty quick, right, yeah, it was. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.360 It just yeah, it just went down so quick. We 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:41.560 normally calculate with about ten months of construction. It really 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.160 depends on the site, on the soil, and you know 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.559 how much help we have, you know what kind of 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.520 if you have a contractor if you have the whole 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.640 team behind you shaping. You know, there are a lot 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:01.559 of things that in ful lens like the outcome on 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:06.480 how quick you can be, how efficient you can be. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:11.360 And over here there were a lot of resources, you know, 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:15.199 with the support of Pinehurst, and then we had our 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:20.160 contractor was Labarg Renovations, So they put up a lot 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.400 of people just to help and you know, get this 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.000 turfed and finished as quick as possible. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:29.320 Was it about a year? 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:31.480 It was less than a year. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:32.560 It was. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:35.960 So we normally calculated. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.760 It opened in the I mean it's it just recently 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:39.840 opened now basically. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:45.520 Yeah, sorry, yeah, And so construction started on January seventeenth. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:50.000 I got my visa on January sixteenth because I need 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:54.280 a work visa since I'm from Germany. So I got 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.840 the email, Yes, you can pick up your passport in 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:03.240 the embassy on January sixteenth. So my mom drove me 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:08.200 to the embassy, picked up my password, and she drove 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.800 me straight to the airport. I took the next flight, 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.640 and the next day it was you know, on a bulldozer. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:20.040 Wow. And there was already I remember there was already 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.880 kind of publicity going out about the project too at 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.840 that point. I think it was in January twenty twenty 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.880 three when I first heard about it, when we were 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:32.560 kind of first reporting on it, and so it must 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.880 have become real really quickly. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:41.720 Yeah, it just you know, from walking the side. I 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:48.160 think that was I was over here in October. I 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.600 was here in October and just walked the side, and 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:55.880 then in in January. Yeah, trying to get my visa 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:59.800 as quick as possible. Yeah, I've been here in December 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:03.200 to just you know, meet Tom, and we had like 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:06.880 one site visit where we both were here and looking 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:11.760 at like, okay, clearing corridors, like how far are we 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.840 clearing these holes? And then you know, all of a sudden, 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:20.120 it's January and eighty percent of the golf course was 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.800 already cleared. And I think that's kind of when they 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:27.120 announced when Pineers announced. Oh yeah, and by the way, 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.400 we're already you know, we're already clearing and you know, 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:35.400 construction set soon. And everyone was I think everyone was 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:41.680 taken by surprise and excitement, I think, and and yeah, 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:45.520 it was it was amazing. And you came from Germany 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:51.760 out of nowhere into like this excitement and it was 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.480 it was just yeah, go, go go. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.640 And you were finished with shaping. Grass was going on 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:03.600 the course by win last year November October. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.319 No Tom pointed out he approved the last green in June. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.240 Oh my gosh, seriously, seriously. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.120 Yeah, I mean, now that I think about it, usually 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:16.680 grass doesn't go down to that late in the year. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.160 But that's amazing. So it was like a like a 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:26.320 five six month just dashed to get everything shaped. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.400 I mean, you had most of it shaped, but then 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:33.840 they're still sure that those were greens. And then you 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.200 you know, you have a couple of bunkers that you 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.160 want to touch up, or you have a couple of 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.480 tea still to build, so you do that. And that's 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:48.680 after June obviously, So you know, by September we were 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:52.720 playing all eighteen holes, and you know, if there was 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.760 anything that we wanted to change or we wanted to 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.400 add a tea box or something. We were able to 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.400 do that still because it was September, you can you 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:06.560 can sow it until November December, no problem. 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.000 So this is your first time as a lead associate 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.640 on a project, and that comes with a number of 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:19.920 kind of managerial responsibilities. You're you're overseeing a lot of 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.480 aspects of the construction. Tom Doak is on site a 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.840 good bit, but is not on site all the time. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:31.320 You were actually living here and supervising this project. And 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.840 so that seems to me to be a really different 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.080 kind of role than a lot of what you did before, 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.880 which was, for the most part, as I understand it, shaping, 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.160 serving as one of the kind of creatives of the 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.520 projects that you were doing on a bulldozer out there, 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:55.040 focusing on features. So for you, how is being a 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.640 lead associate different than being a shaper? 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:05.560 I think I had a lot more input in terms 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.760 of the architecture. It's funny, you think like, as a 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:13.880 shaper you have a lot more you know, a lot 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.240 more leeway and a lot more influence on the shapes. 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:22.440 And you know, to some extent, yes that's true. But 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:29.920 then sometimes I felt like, Okay, what's the overall plan. Well, 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.600 I think I have a better understanding leading a project 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:39.480 what the overall plan is. And you know, if someone 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:43.480 else is leading and you just help out as a shaper, 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.360 you're just focusing on an area and you're asking the 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.760 lead associated what's the bigger picture here? What is the plan? 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:55.760 What you know? And being that person on this job 0:16:56.000 --> 0:17:00.560 was just really cool. I so enjoyed it. It was 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:05.720 amazing because you see so many facets of the profession 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:11.960 that you know, yeah, we're completely completely new. I don't know. 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.040 I dip my toes into you know, a little bit 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:22.719 of supervising and leading before, but obviously not to this extent. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.000 But it was fun, and yeah, I can't wait to 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:29.439 do it again if I get a chance. 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:30.520 You want to do it again? 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:31.480 Sure? 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:35.080 So? Is there is being a lead associate? Do you 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:39.280 think less creative than being a shaper or more creative 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.480 or is it a different kind of creativity? 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:47.240 M It has a lot to do with organizing the 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.879 next steps and preparing, you know, like for example, I 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.639 knew exactly when Palm would come into town, and I 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:58.560 knew which holes he wanted to work on, or you know, 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.199 I decided like, okay, this makes the most sense to 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.320 work on these, and I would communicate that with him 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:10.119 and really make sure that everything is prepared to you know, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.639 he wanted to see that kind of cut, or there 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.479 were like two or three more trees that needed to 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.119 be cut, or you know, you name it. I try 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:24.280 to make sure that the site is prepared for him 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:28.240 coming over and that we get the most out of 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:34.000 his visit. And also his visit always comes with getting 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:38.919 help from the senior design associate. So having Eric, Brian 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:43.200 and Brian and Blake come over and help, you know, 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.879 you want to have something prepared for them to shape 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:51.600 the green or you know, whatever needed to be done 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:56.960 and whatever holes we wanted to get shaped and done. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.879 You want to have those ready. You can't have that, 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.119 Oh yeah, we still need to clear like some of 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:08.000 the root zones or grow up something. You want to 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.840 have it already so they can just here's your bulldozer, 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:16.240 go to you know, Hold ten both the freaking amazing 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.800 green and you know, and that's what they do. And 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.960 they're so fast and quick and it's inspiring, like how 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.520 how greative they are, and yeah, it's just really cool. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.600 That's one of the things that's interesting about this project, 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:37.639 and really about a lot of Tom Doak's projects. The 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:44.000 shapers on the construction site are a variety of architects 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.960 who have been working with Tom Doug for a long time. 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.520 So you mentioned Brian and Brian that's Brian Slonik and 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:55.960 Brian Schneider. Eric that's Eric Iverson, Blake Conant. All of 0:19:56.000 --> 0:20:00.040 these really experienced architects were coming to this project and 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.560 shaping greens on the construction site that you were supervising. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.800 Tom Doak also shaped a couple of greens out there. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:07.560 Yep. 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:11.399 Is this you know, you've worked for a couple of 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.879 other architects, but not like a lt you weren't. You 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:15.760 haven't gone all over the place to a bunch of 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.600 different architects. Is this a fairly unique way of working? 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:23.359 Like do other architects do this where they're bringing in 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.760 really experienced people like this to just shape a couple 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:27.240 of greens. 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.919 So I worked with Gil Hans for a little while 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.280 and it was it was slightly different, I want to say, 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:42.399 in terms of Gil and Jim Wagner have a really 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:50.199 big pool of young talented architects and shapers, but you 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.560 know they don't always get the chance to both the greens. 0:20:54.560 --> 0:21:00.359 Jim McGill take big pride in shaping those greens. I 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.240 don't want to say that you never get a chance 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:06.639 building greens with them. That's not absolutely not true. I 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.479 shaped a couple of grains with them and it was fun. 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.320 But they really like to be on the machines themselves. 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:19.040 So it would be similar to Tom wanting to shape 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.120 like ninety percent of the greens. And I think it's 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:26.640 fair to say he's saying that a lot. I don't 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.800 want to put him on a spot, but he keeps saying, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:34.679 like you know, Eric Iverson, Brian Schneider and Brian Slonik, 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:39.480 they get the vision into the ground so much quicker 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:43.600 that and so much cleaner that it is so much 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:48.480 easier working with like experienced shapers to get something into 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:54.080 the ground rather than doing it yourself. Now we're talking 0:21:54.119 --> 0:21:57.359 about these guys have been working with Tom for such 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:01.199 a long time, so they we have some kind of 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:02.679 you know, similar lingo. 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.680 Right, they know what he likes. 0:22:05.600 --> 0:22:09.360 They know what he likes and if they're talking about it, 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:14.880 what the green should do. They know exactly what he wants. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.960 And you know, part of part of the job is 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.760 also and this is the fun part. It's like if 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:26.280 you travel a lot, you have seen many places, and 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:30.120 you know, you can only hope that you remember like oh, 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:34.320 that really cool kicker slope on this green, or like, hey, 0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.760 why don't we build like you know, the green of 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:44.399 National you know, Whole five or something. And and the 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.440 thing is that you know, we know what that green does, 0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:52.200 and so do other shapers, Like we look at those 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:59.119 shapes and whenever Tom gil Jim or looking at building 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.760 a green, you have those greens in the back of 0:23:01.800 --> 0:23:05.440 your head, I want to say. And a really good 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:09.760 example is Holly eleven out here on course number ten. 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:15.199 You know, Tom took the inspiration from Crystal Downs the 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:20.919 ninth hole, which is a part three uphill, and you 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.760 know it's not the same hole, but it's similar. And 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.480 you know that's the thing, Like you're not copy pasting, 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.840 but there might be similarities. And maybe you change something 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:37.480 or you have like you know, different bunkers, or you 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:41.240 have like a cliff like we do, or you know, 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:45.520 whatever it is, you're just making it unique to this place. 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.919 I feel like every golf course in every site that 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:54.720 we're looking at have their own identity and their own 0:23:55.240 --> 0:24:00.760 feel and you know this sense of place, like you know, 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:04.840 what's growing here? What are we looking at? What's the vibe? 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:09.440 There's so much that goes into it and just honoring 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:14.080 that and yeah, so it. 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If you don't know what I'm talking about, 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:20.240 it's the hole that goes over the big humps and 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:22.840 bumps and has a green kind of in a natural 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:27.960 or you know, somewhat shaped punch bowl setting, and it's 0:26:28.000 --> 0:26:32.800 a unique and pretty thrilling hole. But it's been very 0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.680 much discussed so far, so I'm wondering if there's another 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:40.600 hole that you think will be the second most discussed. 0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:44.880 You know, it's funny. I always thought eleven will be great, 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.200 and there were you know, doubts because it's slightly uphill 0:26:48.800 --> 0:26:51.840 and you can't really see that much of the putting surface, 0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.920 and there were a lot of doubts about how that 0:26:56.160 --> 0:27:01.720 hole turns out. I think it turned out fantastic. Well, 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.919 why don't I not start on Let's start with hold one. 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:10.240 Hold one is very cool. I like Hold one. It's 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.040