1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity I know of this information. Wouldn't 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: you agree? Did you? A great? One? Five dollars? This 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: is a row up hopping a tackle. Hit one man. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: You're saying that humans need fantasy to make life bearable, 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: humans need fantasy to be human? My goodness, I misspeak 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: you guys, prone bets, relentless, refusing to give up. All right, 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: hit that horn? Baby less there? What's up? Everybody? Welcome 8 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: to the Fantasy Flex Podcast. I'm your host, Chris Raybond 9 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: of the Action Network, and this is our Rookie tight 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: End Fantasy preview episode for twenty twenty three. We're gonna 11 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: draft the top ten rookie tight ends by value over 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: EIGHTYP and here to do it with me is one 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: of the top fantasy football rankers in the game. The 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: odds maker, Sean Kerner, Sean, what's going on? What's up? 15 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: I'm getting more excited that we're going to this Battle 16 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: of La you know, Chargers Rams game this weekend because 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 2: we'll get to see a lot of these rookies we're 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: talking about, you know, Max Duggan, Stenson, Bennett, Quintin Johnson, 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: Zach Evans potentially, So really excited for this game, because 20 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: I feel like we've been talking on quite a bit 21 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: on these pods. 22 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and for those that don't know, we have our 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: running back, our wide receiver, and our quarterback rookie preview 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: episodes out now where we do the same thing. We 25 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: draft a bunch of the rookies for their redraft value 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: this year, So no matter how deep a league you in, 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: we definitely have something for you in those episodes, so 28 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: be sure to check those out. But Sean, I went 29 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: first for quarterback episode, so you can go ahead and 30 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: start us off here with tight end and let me 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: just actually let me give you the people the aps first. 32 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: So we're using basketball ten ADP over the last couple 33 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: of weeks. Tight End sixteen is Dalton Kincaid, tight End 34 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: twenty Sam Laporta of the Lions, Kincaid of the Bills, 35 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: of course, tight End twenty six is Michael Mayer of 36 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: the Raiders. Tight End thirty two by ADP Luke Muskrave 37 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: of the Packers, tight End thirty eight Darnault Washington of 38 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: the Steelers, and then we're using tight end forty five 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: for everyone else, every other rookie because they don't have 40 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,839 Speaker 1: an ADP currently. So with that said, now start us off. 41 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: Well, I know you think you know where I'm going 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: with this, but I'm gonna pull a fast one here, 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: and I'm going to go at the top guy on 44 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: the board. Actually, I'm going with Dalton Kincaid at tight 45 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 2: end sixteen just because I think the gap between him 46 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: and Laporta is a bit too small for my like 47 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: you right now, But I love Kincaid here at tight 48 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: end sixteen because I think he's one of two tight 49 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: ends this year that I think actually have tight end 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: one upside as a rookie. And it seems like, you know, 51 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: the Bill, the Bill's clearly drafted Kinkaid in the first 52 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: round for his past catching upside. That's really what he 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 2: brings to the NFL. And he's having a great camp 54 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: and this is an elite offense and it does sound 55 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: like they're gonna potentially use him in the slot. So 56 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: I think he has a clear path, you know, to 57 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: to low end tight end one sort of upside as 58 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 2: a rookie. You know, he could be like a you know, 59 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: like a Mark Andrews type of prospects. So I gotta 60 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: go with Kinkaid here tight end sixteen. 61 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Buffalo Bills. What they want to do this 62 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 1: year is they want to force defenses to essentially pick 63 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: their poison. You know, if they're gonna wind up in 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: more one to two personnel, which is one back, two receivers, 65 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: and two tight ends with Kincaid essentially acting like a 66 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: glorified slot receiver, and if defenses want to match that 67 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: with their base you know, three linebackers, kk is gonna 68 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: burn one of those linebackers in coverage and if defenses 69 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: want to, you know, bring their nickel. Well, Kkad actually 70 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: still has enough athleticism to you know, to win those 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: matchups too, but they can also that also does more 72 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: for them in the run game as well. So I 73 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: think you are going to see more of that with 74 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: Buffalo this year. You know, no Kole Beesley on the 75 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: team this year, no Jamison Crowder. You know, Deontay Hardy 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: and Khalil Shakira will probably you know, fight battle it 77 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: out for that third wide receiver role. But I think 78 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: Kinkaid gets more snaps than both of those guys. And 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: I think he gets more snaps than both of them 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: handily too. You know, like even if you combined Shakir 81 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: and Hardy snaps. I think Kinkaid has a chance to 82 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: play more. So I'm projecting Kakid about fifty catches five 83 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five yards about in five touchdowns, which 84 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: you know doesn't sound like much, but it's enough to 85 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: be my tight end thirteen. And you know, for rookie 86 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: tight end, unless you're talking about like a generational talent 87 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: like a Kyle Pitts, it's also a pretty good year 88 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: for a rookie. You really don't see many of these 89 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: rookies crack the top twenty very often. But like you said, 90 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: I think Kinkaid definitely has that potential and not only 91 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: crack the top twenty, but you know, if things go right, 92 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, especially with the touchdown look, he could even 93 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: crack the top ten and be a true, you know, 94 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: startable weekend week out tight end one. So I'm very 95 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: intrigued by Kinkaid and he's while all accounts he's having 96 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: a good camp, you know, nothing negative on that end 97 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: to no red flags or anything like that. 98 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 2: Do you have him ranked over Tyler Higby and Greg 99 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 2: dulcic by any chance. 100 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: Over dulcicch just because there's you know, some question marks 101 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 1: with you know, just that offense in general and exactly. 102 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of other tight ends of that, 103 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: not over Higbee. I think Higgy's up to my tight 104 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: end eleven. I believe it is now. 105 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: I know, right like, if yeah, he's my title eleven, 106 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: but if I really my raw productions fly, he'd be 107 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: like tight end eight. 108 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: So I'm trying to hold Higbee down. 109 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: But the more like I draft, the more I'm comfortable 110 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 2: if I don't get Travis Kelce punting at tight end, 111 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: because all these guys in the like tight end twelve 112 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: range have league winning upside and you get them really late. 113 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: So ken Kaid's an option, you know, Dulcic, Higbee, I 114 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: just all these guys I like love drafting super late. 115 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: So it's kind of been shifting my draft strategy just 116 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: how good this tire is. 117 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, we'll kind of know even more, 118 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, after a couple more weeks of camp, you know, 119 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: because you know this as of right now, this expectation 120 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: is for Kinkaid to be that essentially starting slat receiver. 121 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: We'll obviously learn more about dulsicch We'll see if Okonkwo 122 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: is going to be in the doghouse or he ends 123 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: up being a starter. Like there's you know, there's a 124 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: lot of things still kind of up for grabs in 125 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: that range. But I would say, yes, Higbee obviously is 126 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: one of the safer bets. But yeah, Kinkaid just because 127 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: of the talent mixed with the you know, the quarterback 128 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: that he's that's going to be throwing to him, mixed 129 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: with the the role that he's gonna play. Gotta love it. 130 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: You know, very good player at Utah was getting you know, 131 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: about a third of their receiving production last year. Broke 132 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: out at a very young age, put up what eight 133 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety yards and eight scores in twelve games 134 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: last year, nearly one hundred targets, and he's played about 135 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: he played about sixty five percent, about two thirds of 136 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: his snaps either in the slot or out wide last year. 137 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: So this is what he does. He's already used to 138 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: kind of doing this. And that's and you have Dalton Knox, 139 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: who is more of a traditional inline tight end who 140 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: could still handle the blocking and you know, some of 141 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: the red zone work and all those other things that 142 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: Titans handle. Put I think Jim Cade was drafted as 143 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: we talked about for a very very specific role. So yep, yeah, 144 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm high on k Kate even in year one for 145 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: my first pick and second overall in our tight end 146 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: rookie redraft, I am going to go with Sam Laporta 147 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: tight end twenty. Uh being drafted. I know I should 148 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: have worn my lines at but yeah, you know, I 149 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: know you've been talking up Laporta all offseason. Zay, he's 150 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: up to tight end twenty in redraft. But being that, 151 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: I think especially now you know Shane Zilstra went down 152 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: as well, so you know, and he was a part 153 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: of that three headed tight end monster last year. I 154 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: think Detroit's gonna let this guy play, especially on passing downs. 155 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: You know, maybe he starts out uh the year not 156 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: playing on you know, early downs or rundowns, but I 157 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be out there anytime it matters when 158 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: they're throwing the ball, and as the year progresses, I 159 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be the guy that's going to weed 160 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: that tight end room in in snap even as a rookie. 161 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: You know, he's another guy that you know he was 162 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: drafted to play a role right away. I mean, they 163 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: don't have t J Hockinson anymore. They traded him midseason 164 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: last year. You know, James Mitchell was more more of 165 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: a kind of a project. He has some athwiticism, but 166 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: I don't think they're looking at him as a starter. 167 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: And brock right, you know, he's kind of a solid 168 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: all around in line guy. But Laporte is another one 169 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: of these guys who you know, he played thirty percent 170 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: in the slot, another twenty percent out wide. You know, 171 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: he could he could do it all. He could move 172 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: around very good measurables. The forty was in the ninety 173 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: first percentile, the agility scorers in the ninetieth percentile. I 174 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: guess the only thing that's kind of worrisome in terms 175 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: of college production, he didn't really score many touchdowns, only 176 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: four in the last in the last two seasons. Any 177 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: concern about the touchdown production, Nah. 178 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: No, that that's just due to the offense. He looked 179 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: every bit as good as you know, like he replaced TJ. 180 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 2: Hawkinson at Iowa. I mean, he was a seamless replacement 181 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 2: there and he's going to do the same in Detroit. 182 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: So he's very similar to TJ. Hawkinson. Probably, Yeah, the 183 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: second best pass catching tight end in this class. I 184 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: was kind of surprised that he went over Michael Mayer, 185 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: who's more of just an all around good tight end. 186 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: So it's clear. 187 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: You know, the Lions drafted him based on his pass 188 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 2: catching abilities, and it looks like I'm not surprised he's 189 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 2: impressing the camp. He is that good. But it does 190 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: look like he's a lock right now to be the 191 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: Week one starter. So you know, we've said that Ama 192 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: and ros Saint Brown is obviously, you know, the centerpiece 193 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: of this the passing attack. Then Jamier Gibbs is probably 194 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: the number two target, and then Laporta will probably be 195 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: the number three, maybe even when Jamison Williams comes back. 196 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: So I love Laporta's upside. The thing that worries with 197 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: me is, you know, back when I was talking to him, 198 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: he was like tight end twenty five. Now he's up 199 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: to tight end twenty. That's maybe closer to where he 200 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: should go, but still in this range. 201 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: He has more. 202 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: Upside than some of these guys because he could turn 203 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: into the number two target in this offense and really 204 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: blow up as rookie. He does have that sort of potential. 205 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: So yeah, still like getting him as long as he's 206 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 2: outside of the top twenty love grabbing him. 207 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: What do you what do you have if you're obviously 208 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna tweak these, but what do you have right now? 209 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: Is kind of rough projection for Laporta as a rookie. 210 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: So his raw numbers, yeah, yeah, catch up yards, touchdowns. 211 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 2: I got him right around you know, forty five receptions, 212 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 2: right around four hundred and seventy yards, three to four touchdowns. 213 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: That that's something where you know, I've talked about the 214 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: Lions scored so many rushing touchdowns in the red zone 215 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: with Jamal Williams. Some of those can turn into passing 216 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: touchdowns that could go to Laporta. So Laporta does have 217 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: you know, five to seven touchdown sort of upside. But again, 218 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm all around say Brown just requires so many targets. 219 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: It's it's hard to really raise Laporta's you know, medium 220 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 2: projection higher than that. 221 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: But I think he's gonna be a. 222 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: Very solid, you know, mid range tight end to as 223 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 2: a rookie, and like in dynasty leagues, I love him. 224 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: I think he absolutely has top five upside, you know, 225 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: a couple of years down the road. But you know, 226 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 2: we always talk about rookies have slow starts, like you 227 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: can't count on them to produce much. But I think 228 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 2: Kincaid and Laporta this this season specifically are the exception. 229 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: I think we can expect them to produce right away. 230 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: Didn't Jay Hockinson have a monster game in his first 231 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: ever rookie as well? 232 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah against it Yeah, historically bad against tight end 233 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: defense the Arizona Cardinals. Yeah, what do you have like 234 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 2: nine catches for one hundred and seventy yards or. 235 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: Something like that? Close six? Yeah, like he just went 236 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: nine targets. Yeah, and to be fair, yeah he was. 237 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: He was a little he was a higher pick than Porter. 238 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: He went, he went in the top ten. So yeah, 239 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, I do think there's a chance, like a 240 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: guy like brock Wright could actually get more snaps in 241 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: week one, but like what Porter will run more routes, 242 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So I could see that. 243 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 1: But the Lions played the Chiefs in Week one, so 244 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: you expect them to have a lot of passing situations 245 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: and what should be a shootout. So I do think 246 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: he could hit the ground running. And yeah, again I 247 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: don't really see right or Mitchell kind of you know, 248 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: eating into those routes long term, I think if anything, 249 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: you know, maybe the first couple of weeks, but that 250 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: that's really it. So and oh sorry, I'm sorry, go ahead. 251 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: I was just asking how many touchdowns you had him for, 252 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: because I know you were commenting on just that Iowa 253 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: he didn't score many touchdowns, but as a team they 254 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: only threw seven touchdowns, yeah, last year, So I wouldn't 255 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: say it was his fault that he didn't have many touchdowns, 256 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: But how many are you projecting for your one? 257 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: Right around four? So my raw projections are right in 258 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: the same range as you have them. Forty six catches, 259 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: four hundred and ninety one yards and yeah, right around 260 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: four touchdowns, so you know, not quite not quite there 261 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: at Kincaid, Like I got Kincaid with an extra touch down, 262 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: I got Kincaid with a you know, about an extra 263 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: fifty fifty ish seventy five yards. But yeah, I think 264 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: if Laporte is definitely in that conversation, especially with like 265 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: you said, you know, games Williams being suspended, it's kind 266 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: of a log jam those other wide receiver spots, but 267 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: nobody really jumps out at you. So the porter plays 268 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: well as a rookie. There really is a chance that 269 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: he could be one of those top two, top three. 270 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, I think the path to his 271 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: ceiling is, you know, touchdown production, because you know, for 272 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: as many receptions as almam Ra Saint Brown gets, he's 273 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: not really a guy that scores a ton of touchdowns. 274 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: So there is there is an opening for Laporter, like 275 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: I said, to score you know, five to seven touchdowns, 276 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: let's say. And that's that's kind of how I think 277 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: he sneaks into the top twelve end the season is 278 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: sort of red zone production, so that that's something to 279 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: keep an eye on. 280 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, six'. THREE i wish he was like an 281 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: inch or two taller he is. Sixty but you, know 282 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: Those iowa tight, ends they're just such a good history, 283 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: too of Those iowa tight. ENDS i mean when we Got, 284 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: kittle who else you got back? 285 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 2: THERE i mean he's not quite the same, caliber uh T. 286 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: J hockinson, Obviously, Yeah. 287 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: Tony, Moeaki, Hey Dallas. Clark he actually he's one that 288 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: reminds me of The porter a little. Bit, Actually oh, 289 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: yeah for, sure. Yep but, YEAH i Think kittle And 290 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: hockinson definitely are the For, Dowitz, yeah, Yeah Brandon MYERS 291 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: i think went. There who else that that big dude 292 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: on The bills went, There Scott. Chandler Scott chandler went. 293 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: There iowan was literally they've turned out nothing but like 294 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: so caliber tight. Ends not all of them have like been, 295 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: amazing but the floor for An iowa tight end is 296 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: so high that you, know if you're sitting there and 297 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: you know you're in a two tight end league or best, 298 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: ball you, know why not take a shot At La 299 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: Porter and you know A Mon Ross Saint brett If 300 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: i'm what happens if A'mm Ross Sint brown gets, hurt you, 301 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: know then right then you're really in business with, uh 302 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: With laporta so or if the Mirror gims gets hurt 303 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: for that, matter. Right, So, YEAH i think there's a 304 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: lot of upside. Here and when we're talking about tight, end, 305 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: yes rookies do, struggle but we're starting to see that, 306 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: change especially with these guys that aren't true in line tight, 307 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: ends Like Evan ingram had a big rookie, year, Obviously Kyle. Pitts. 308 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: Uh just some of the names uh and those guys 309 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: aren't really you, know you, know those guys are gonna 310 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: play a lot in the swat and out, Wide SO 311 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: i Think laporta has a chance, to uh to replicate. 312 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: That all, Right so you Got, KINKAID i Got. Laporta 313 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: conkaid IS te sixteen AND Adp laporta's up to T e. 314 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: Twenty we're gonna go ten picks long in this. One 315 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna get. Ugly we're gonna get ugly in this. 316 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: One BUT i think there's still a few more guys 317 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: or you, know at least you can kind of bank 318 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: at least they have draftable ADPs right. Now so who 319 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: youre doing with your third? 320 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: Third, YE i don't think any of these guys that 321 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: we talked about from here on have tight end one, 322 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: upside but some of these guys, absolutely you, know have 323 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: tight end two. Upside So i'm going With Luke musgrave 324 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: here from The. Packers he went in round, two went 325 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: To Oregon. State he was one of the better pass 326 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 2: catching tight ends of this. Class but he's more of 327 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 2: a downfield threat than someone who's gonna rack up a 328 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: ton of, Catches so like A Jared cook guy where 329 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: you're gonna project him for like fourteen yards of reception. 330 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: But not catch as. 331 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: Many but he does find himself in a wide open 332 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: tight end. Room on The, PACKERS i was a little 333 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: bit worried About Tucker, craft who they took in the third. 334 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: Round he could push for the starting, role but he's 335 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: dealing with the knee, injury so that that could knock 336 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: him out enough to WHERE i Think Musgrove rusker definitely 337 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 2: has the inside track to be the week One, starry 338 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 2: that's what they're. SAYING i Think Da guar is actually hurt, 339 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 2: too so he's kind of benefiting from these two tight 340 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 2: ends deal with. Injuries but, yeah he does have some 341 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 2: good pass catching, upside and he's in a wide open receiving. 342 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 2: Room and, also you, know outside Of Christian, watson, uh 343 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: we've been kind of guessing who's going to be the number, 344 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 2: two number three, Target so there is a chance he 345 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: could slot in and be a top three target in this. 346 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 2: OFFENSE i think it's a longer, shot obviously than A, 347 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: laporta but. 348 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: There is a path. 349 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: THERE i think he has the highest you, know ceiling 350 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: among the remaining tight. Ends SO i like getting Musk 351 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: grave here at tight end thirty. 352 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: Two, YEAH i would have took him, too because you 353 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Know mayer's the other, option but he's going six spots 354 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: higher and you know, there you know he's he's just 355 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: in a situation where you, know it's just Like Austin hooper's, 356 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: there so we don't. Know but Musk, Grave, YEAH i 357 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: like the fact that he can go down the. FIELD 358 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: i like the fact that The packers really have nutting to. 359 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: Lose you might as well chuck up a few a 360 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: few shot ways to h To musgrave and you know 361 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: he'll still be getting single. COVERAGE i, mean you, know 362 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: if the only guy that's really good at command a 363 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 1: double coverage Is Christian, watson, uh if that on that 364 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: on his. Team SO i do Think musgrave will have a, 365 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: chance and he. Should he should be able to start 366 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: from week one as, well, because like you, Said craft 367 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: missing time with, injury you never liked a rookie missing 368 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: too much, time especially at a position like this where 369 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: you know it takes time to learn the. Offense but, 370 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: YEAH i Think musgrave just looking at what he did in, 371 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: college he was a you, know At Oregon, state he 372 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: was a guy that averaged thirteen and a half yards per. 373 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: Reception you, know that's very good for a tight. End 374 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: and there's some scouts that thought he might have kind 375 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 1: of like A Dalton kinkaid like buzz head into the, 376 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: draft but he you, know he had a knee injury 377 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: that end of his season At Oregon, State so LIKE 378 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: i think there is there's some sneaky upside with. Him 379 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: now The packers pass game just probably won't be that. 380 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: Good but, yeah if you're sitting there In Best ball 381 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: or something like that where you need a number two tight, 382 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: end maybe even at number, three Could musgrave go from you, 383 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: know tight end thirty two to finish as a top 384 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: twenty four tight, End, absolutely BECAUSE i think he's gonna 385 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: get the snaps to do. It and that's just you, 386 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: know even more so because of as you, mentioned the 387 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: injuries to some of the other guys in, camp And 388 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: daguar was never really a tight end tight. End he 389 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: was more like an h back full back go in 390 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: motion and just block somebody but in a week out 391 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: of the, backfield but not really like a true he's 392 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: not giving you What musgrave has given, you you, know 393 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: down of seams or anything like. That so And, musgrave 394 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: the measurables are really. Good it was you, know top 395 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: top twentieth percentile and the forty yard, dash you, know speed, 396 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: score burst, score catch, Radius so, yeah a lot to 397 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: LIKE i think with With, muskrave what do you have 398 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: him projected? 399 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 2: For just? 400 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: Curious let me, SEE i have him right around that 401 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: like tight end twenty nine. Range let me, SEE i got. 402 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: It looks like we're got thirty five inches. 403 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: Three hundred and fifty. Yards again these are. Mediums, yeah 404 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: and a couple of touchdowns were, similar, Right. 405 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, YEAH i was about to, say we both have, him, 406 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: right you have thirty four catches at least the Protection 407 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: i'm LOOKING i have thirty. Three you have three hundred 408 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: and fifty three. YARDS i have three seventy, four and 409 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: we both have them for exactly two point four. Touchdowns 410 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: so here you. 411 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 2: Go are uh it only go up if he's officially 412 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: named The week one, STARTER i will bump it up a, bit. 413 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 2: Right i'm assuming evil, Too SO i think the our 414 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: projections are closer to his floor. 415 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: Right now IF i had to, Guess, Yeah BUT i mean, 416 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: again like people have to, remember you, know nowadays it's 417 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: just you, know more people playing basket, ball more people 418 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: in leagues that are starting two tight, ends like this 419 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: is just kind of the production that you have to 420 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: be looking. For, yeah for you, know these tight, ends 421 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: and you Know musgrave is going to, have, uh like you, 422 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: said some, upside especially BECAUSE i think the the yard 423 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: per the yards per reception For, musgrave LIKE i have 424 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: it pretty conservative about eleven and a, HALF i could, 425 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: easily you, know that could go, up you, know twelve, 426 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: thirteen which you know that he has that kind of. 427 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: Upside so, yeah he's he's more upside than. Down but 428 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: as far as, rookies, yeah you're still probably expecting him 429 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: to be under four hundred yards for a median just 430 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: because that's such as the life of a rookie tight. 431 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: End all. Right, uh with the fourth overall, pick my 432 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: second pick in this tight end rookie draft For redraft 433 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, THREE i gotta go WITH i gotta go 434 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: With mayor here just BECAUSE i think he has a 435 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: legit chat at getting starter snaps number, one just BECAUSE 436 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: i think The, raiders well yes they did Sign Austin. 437 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: HOOPER i do think The raiders are going to go 438 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: more to a two tight, end uh look this, year 439 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: BECAUSE i think that's kind of What Davante adams was 440 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: chirping about a little, bit you, know like the offense 441 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: is going to change up a little. More And mayor 442 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: is a really, good uh you, know kind of versatile 443 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 1: guy in terms of like he could, block he, could 444 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: he can, catch he can he can play, inside he 445 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: could play, outside he, could he could pretty much do 446 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: whatever you. Want he had A he was number four 447 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: IN pff run blocking grade out of the eighty three 448 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: tight ends in the twenty twenty three, class with a 449 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: run rate of eighty two point. One so very good run, 450 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: blocker which he. Can you could put him on a 451 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: field right, Away, so you, know very good run blocker 452 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: At Notre. Dame eight hundred plus yards each of the 453 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: past two, seasons seven plus touchdowns each of the past two. 454 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: Seasons that At Notre. Dame last year he had thirty 455 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: percent of their yards and thirty six percent of their. 456 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: Touchdowns so and he was he led the nation among 457 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: tight ends in yards per route run at two point 458 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: four to four according TO. Pff so he has all 459 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: the he has all the kind of underlying. Metrics AND 460 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: i Mean Austin hooper is probably on the downside of his. 461 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: Career so you, know if Maybe hooper plays more snaps 462 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: early on in the, year BUT i wouldn't be surprised 463 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: If mayer overtook him early in the year or if 464 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: they just kind of split snaps that in what is 465 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: gonna likely become more of a two tight end base. Offense, 466 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: yeah he. 467 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 2: Was considered the best overall tight end in this class 468 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: thanks to his you, know blocking ability as, well so 469 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: it's kind of a shocker that he was third off the. 470 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: BOARD i, thought you, know his ideal landing spots would 471 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 2: have been you, Know dallas in the first round or you, 472 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 2: know The. Lions but The raiders are a fine landing. 473 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: Spot you, know they Have Austin. Hooper like you, Said 474 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: i'm not too worried about, him and they. Should they'll 475 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: probably use a ton of two tight end. Sets that's 476 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: What Jimmy g's used to, anyway so he should see 477 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: plenty of playing. Time he definitely has you, know the 478 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: pass catching ability to put up decent. Numbers so, yeah 479 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: like you, know tight end twenty six and right about 480 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: WHERE i would have, Him but he still has upside for. 481 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: More All, right where you're going with your third pick 482 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: in the fifth, overall and this is. 483 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: Where it really starts to fallow, Off i'm going with 484 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: let me, See, God, YEAH i don't like this, pick 485 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: But i'm going With luke Schoon maker because you, know 486 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 2: he was LIKE i, SAID i thought The cowboys were 487 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: going to Take mayor in the first but they they 488 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 2: sort of took Quick whichever tight end was going to 489 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: make it back in the second round they're going to, 490 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 2: take and unfortunately it was With. Scoonmaker but you, know 491 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 2: he is in a situation where it's a wide open 492 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 2: tight end depth. Chart you know that they're still trying 493 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 2: to Replace Dalton, schultz so there is a path for. Him, 494 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: unfortunately he has been dealing with planner fasci IDUs, injury 495 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: so he's missed a ton of. Camp it's not a good, 496 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: start and it does look, like you, Know Jake ferguson 497 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: will probably start the season as the you, know the 498 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: starting tight, end but there is a path For scoonmaker to, 499 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: least you, know eat into that later in the. Season 500 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: So i'm just baking on. THAT i think he does 501 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: have a path to. Upside at. Least it wasn't like 502 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: the best pass catching. TALENT i didn't really like the, 503 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: pick but he is in an offense in a scheme 504 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 2: that that could produce you, know tight end two type, 505 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 2: numbers especially If ferguson were to go, Down so he 506 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: does have that path at least compared to these other. 507 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: Guys, yeah so the released their first you, know official 508 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: unofficial depth, chart so they do they re list two 509 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: tight ends as, Starters so they List ferguson And hendershot 510 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: both as starters and Then schoonmakers Behind. Hendershot uh so 511 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: that tells me like he could. JUMP i think he's 512 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: more he's got a better shot of jumping Hender shot Than, 513 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: Ferguson no pun, Intended so you, know we just got 514 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: to kind of monitor. That but, yeah he did make 515 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: his camp debut a couple of days before we. Recorded 516 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: he made his camp debut In august, seventh so he 517 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: is back in there. Now but, yeah that's that's probably 518 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: is the biggest, concern just that learning curve for, him 519 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: and the, FACT i guess he was a low aid 520 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: dot guy in college seven point eight a, dot so, 521 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,959 Speaker 1: maybe you, know he's probably still gonna be used more 522 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: Like Adulton. SCHULTZ i think that would be kind of 523 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: what he's he tops out. As but you, know it 524 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: is kind of a three, way three way logjam in 525 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: there right, now so he could emerge if he has 526 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: h he has a good, preseason all, Right, uh the sixth, 527 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: pick so this is where it really gets. Tough i'm 528 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: going to go With i'm gonna go With. Josh why 529 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: we The titans backup looks like backup tight end right? 530 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: Now fifth round pick out At. Cincinnati. Uh you, know, 531 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: solid solid, athlete has some size to him sixty seven, 532 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: uh just under two hundred and fifty, pounds some good 533 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: yards after catch. Skills you, know he can run. Block 534 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: he was thirteenth in his class in run blocking out 535 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: of eighty three in terms OF pff, grade and he 536 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: was the eighth best in pass. Blocking so you, KNOW 537 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: i have heard the rumblings Of rabel kind of Criticizing 538 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: Chiago conquo's blocking this. Camp and you look at the 539 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: tight end depth. CHART i mean you Got Trevon, wesco 540 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: who's kind of a full, back hybrid h back, Guy Kevin, 541 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: rader same. Thing so why? We you, know if he 542 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: shows enough catching the ball and he was, solid you, 543 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: know he he has solid tools to be a good pass. 544 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: CATCHER i think he know there's a not there's a 545 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: chance that he could kind of draw even with A 546 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: conquo For conquo struggles or even overtake. HIM i don't 547 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: think it's, likely but we're talking, about you, know the 548 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: sixth best rookie tight end. Here uh, SO i you 549 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: know it. Was it's there's an there's one other GUY 550 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: i was thinking. About i'll see if you pick him, 551 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: next But i'm gonna go why because he's going undrafted right. 552 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Now SO i THINK i like the potential here for 553 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: for some upside because we Know tennessee is always going 554 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: to have a decent amount of of tight ends on the. 555 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: Field, Yeah i'm surprised you took him because it requires 556 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: your Boy chig to go down or. Struggle but, yeah 557 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: obviously he'll probably be his. BACKUP i think if, anything 558 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 2: he'd be like a potential red zone weapon even if 559 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 2: The chig is. ACTIVE i think that's where he, can you, 560 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: know have some. Value but either, way at this point 561 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: in the, draft we're drafting tight ends that probably need 562 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: the starting tight end to go down to have any. 563 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 1: Value All, right we got with the seventh overall. 564 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: Pick Uh, yeah So I'm i'm going with the guy 565 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: where assuming the starter goes, DOWN i think he could step. 566 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 2: Up and that's Cam alat too on the forty nine. 567 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 2: Ers you, know they drafted him in the third. Round 568 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: he's From. Alabama he's a former, linebacker so he, brings you, 569 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: know some serious physicality to the. Position he was also 570 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: a solid receiver pass catcher At, alabama SO i think 571 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: he'll obviously have zero value as long As george kill is, 572 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: healthy he will have zero. Value but If kittle goes, 573 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: down you, KNOW i think he's the guy that they 574 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: have right now that would step in as the pass. 575 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: Catcher so there is a path to offering some. Value 576 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: and you, know it Seems kittle's missed handful of, games 577 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: seems like every season so. Far so he's in a 578 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: situation WHERE i think we could see a couple of 579 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: games this year where lat two's. Starting SO i think 580 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 2: that he at least has a path and the skills 581 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 2: to take advantage of. 582 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: That, yeah it's. Interesting you, KNOW i was. SURPRISED i 583 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: was somewhat surprised they DRAFTED i, MEAN i guess it 584 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: was late third round out Of. Alabama but he's a 585 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: really intelligent. Guy not really you, know the measurables don't 586 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: really stick out or anything like. That so but you, 587 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: Know i'm interested to see because you, know one of 588 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: the things that the scouts do like about him is 589 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: this is. Intelligence i'm interested to see if you, know 590 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: maybe that kind of fast tracks, him because it seems 591 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: like they're trying to Upgrade dwelly And Charlie, warner you, 592 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: know as soon maybe as this. Year so they drafted 593 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot too in late third and they Drafted Brandon, 594 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: willis who seems to be having a good camp in 595 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: the seventh. Round so, yeah those two guys this year 596 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: may actually Replace dwelly And. Warner, now If kiddle were 597 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: to go, down you, know and those guys didn't make the, 598 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: team but they were on a practice, card you, know 599 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: would one of those jump Ahead who. Knows but, yeah 600 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: it's intriguing just to just because they're clearly trying to 601 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: upgrade those backup spots In San. Francisco all, right for 602 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: my fourth pick and the eighth, Overall i'm going to 603 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: go With Darnold washington out Of. Pittsburgh he's being drafted 604 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: as THE t thirty. Eight he's getting some buzzing camp 605 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 1: and it sounds like he has a real good shot 606 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: at playing Those Zach gentry snaps about which was about 607 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: thirty percent of the routes last. Year they're talking about 608 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: that he because he's such a he's a good, blocker 609 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: but he also has some explosiveness in the past. Game 610 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: but it should Allow Friar mooth to be more of 611 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: a you, know a guy who moves, around more of 612 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: a move tight end and kind of free him up 613 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: a little. More but you, Know, washington he ran a 614 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: four point five four, forty which is very very, good 615 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: and he averaged seven over seventeen yards per catch At 616 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: georgia seven point six yards after the, catch and he 617 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: had a top five run blocking grade for the for 618 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: his draft class last. Year so out of the eighty 619 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: three tight, ends, uh in the that were that that 620 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: we're seniors last, year he was. Fifth and, UH i 621 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: think you know it's there's it's not guarantee that he 622 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: beats Out, gentry but for Everything i'm hearing in camp 623 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: and just you, know from them drafting him in the third, 624 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: round you, know it didn't seem like a major position to. 625 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: NEED i think he has a pretty good. Shot so 626 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: and then If Friar moove goes, DOWN i mean you're 627 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: probably not Starting gentry and played, him you, know sixty 628 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: seventy eighty percent of the. Snaps so in that, CASE 629 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: i do Think washington would slote in just BECAUSE i 630 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: think he has some explosiveness and he could still, Block 631 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: so it's not, like you, know The steel was all 632 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: about the run. Game top five run. BLOCKER i think 633 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: he's gonna find a way to get on the field 634 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: in year. One so it's it's a long, shot BUT 635 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: i like What i'm, hearing AND i like THE i 636 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: like the. PLAYER i think HE i think he from 637 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: What i've seen of him At, georgie looks pretty. Good. Yeah, 638 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: no he's a freaking. 639 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: Athlete he's according to a player, profile he's number, two 640 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: AND i thought this isn't score at tight end and 641 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 2: number five entire draft. Class he's a. Freak they just 642 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: need to figure out how to channel that into more 643 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 2: of a pass. Catcher SO i think either way he. 644 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 2: Can he can get on the field as a blocker, 645 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: initially and then he does have some massive. Upside if 646 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: that happens this year or not remains to be, seen but, 647 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 2: YEAH i love the upside. 648 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: There all, right we've got two more. Picks you got number. 649 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: NINE i got him. 650 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 2: Atend where you, Going, WELL i WAS i was gonna 651 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: try to get sneaky here and go completely off the. 652 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: Board BUT i don't know if he listened as a 653 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: tight end quite. Yet But Elijah higgins on The dolphins 654 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 2: is converting From i'm, okay, yeah so he's he's converting 655 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: from a wide receiver to tight. End. 656 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah he has the frame to do. 657 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: It you, know he's six three two thirty five on 658 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 2: the early reports have been just really good about his 659 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 2: transition to tight. End and, obviously you, know the tight 660 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: The dolphins is an interesting tight end. Room you, know 661 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 2: they don't really use the tight end much in the passing. 662 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 2: Game you, Know mike McDaniel's typically wants to end to 663 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: be a good, blocker But higgins could end up being 664 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 2: sort of That kincaid. ROLL i don't, know like maybe 665 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: lining up in the. Slot either, way there is a 666 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: path For higgins to have some sort of role in 667 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: the passing attack because beyond Tyreek kill And Jenn, waddell 668 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: it's wide open to, see you, know who's getting targets 669 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 2: outside of, That SO i think might as well take 670 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,959 Speaker 2: a just wild ass flyer this. Late higgins is really. 671 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 2: Athletic he had the number three ATHLETICS asm score of 672 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 2: this the wide receiver, class so he's a freak. Athlete 673 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 2: mike McDaniels might be able to figure out a channel 674 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: that he might not catch a ball this. 675 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: YEAR i don't. 676 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: CARE i like getting him at the last pick at 677 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 2: the tight. End you, know he's listed as a wide 678 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: receiver in some places and he might be a tight end, 679 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 2: elsewhere BUT i think at tight end he has the most. 680 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: Upside, yeah it's not a Good. Dolphins of any established 681 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: players at tight, END i, Mean Durham smythe is on 682 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: the top of their depth, chart so, YEAH i could 683 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: definitely see that. Happening that's probably one of the reasons 684 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: they are converting him to tight, end to get you, 685 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: know like a pass catcher into that role Because smike 686 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: is more of a, blocker and they you, know they 687 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: Traded Hunter long to The, rams so, well, yeah not, 688 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: much not much they hair on that depth. 689 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: Chart The mike is sickie, role which wasn't good in 690 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: The dolphins. Offense but compared to these other tight, ends 691 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 2: at least at least he would have a potential. 692 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: Role oh, DEFINITELY i think, UH i, think like, again 693 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: when anytime you Have Durham smythe at the top of 694 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: a depth, chart it's wide open Or Eric sober for that. 695 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: Matter oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, YEAH i mean that's realistically 696 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: who's probably competing with for for snaps more Because smikes 697 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: will probably block no matter. What All, right for the final, pick, 698 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: man who the hell are you going? 699 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: TO i can't. WAIT I. 700 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to go with, No i'm gonna 701 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: take A i'm gonna take a shot in the dark 702 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: and go With Brandon. Willis, yeah you, KNOW i mean 703 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: he could catch, block he could, run he could you 704 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: could throw in the, wildcat he could play. Specialties so 705 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: there's a chance he's active from week. One is even 706 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: a chance he beats out lot, too even though you 707 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: know who had the higher draft, pedigree you, know not, 708 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 1: likely but he was one of the top run blockers 709 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: in his, class one of the top pass blockers in 710 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 1: his class top six and both out of eighty. Three and, 711 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: yeah he's kind of he's kind of what everyone initially 712 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: envisioned That Jalen herd role for a remember a few years, 713 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: ago and they when they drafted, heard, yeah, LIKE i 714 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: think he can kind of do some similar. Things he's 715 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: six four two forty one you, know above averages. Speed you, 716 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: know everything else is averageable average in terms of the, 717 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: measurables but just a versatility and the fact that you 718 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: know that Behind kittle that depth chart is wide. Open. 719 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: Uh AND i heard you know he's having a pretty 720 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: good camp flashing as a pass. Catcher i'll take, Uh 721 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: i'll take him. Over you know some of these other 722 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: guys that have kind of been not doing much or 723 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: they've been hurt because like, AGAIN i really don't want 724 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: a tight end that's been hurt throughout much of, camp 725 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: just because you, know it's it's you, know it's like 726 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen to, everyone but you, know a guy 727 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: Like kraft for. Example you, know it's just especially With 728 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: daguara already there And muskrat, like it's just it's JUST 729 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: i think harder is going to be harder to crack 730 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: that depth. Chart so, yeah when we go Braidon, will 731 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: it's just complete upside shot shot. All, yes. 732 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 2: Was there anybody else who are considering? 733 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: THERE i was Considering Pain. Durham. Uh you know In 734 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: Tampa bay fifth round pick out Of. Purdue you, Know 735 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: Kole keith more like AN hvac fullback, Type So durham 736 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: could be that number two on the on the depth 737 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: chart that that was really the only. One you, Know, 738 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 1: MALLORY i initially thought he might have some, potential but 739 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: it seems like he's been hurt and they have one 740 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: hundred tight. Les, yeah it's impossible for, him and he's he's. 741 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 2: Hurt anytime he's, rookie tight ends get, hurt it's a. 742 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,439 Speaker 2: Problem that's WHY i was so shocked That dulcic had 743 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 2: as good of a rookie season as he had because 744 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 2: he MISSED i think almost the entire training, camp the entire, 745 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: preseason the first six, weeks and he still hit the ground. 746 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: Running but that's. 747 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 2: Rare usually you want to tight, end you, know get 748 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 2: the full training, camp get preseason, reps because it is 749 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 2: one of the toughest positions for these college you know 750 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 2: players to transition. 751 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 1: To, yeah And dulcis was a day A day two, 752 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: pick whereas you, know all these other guys that were 753 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: kind of choosing between A day three you got The, actually, 754 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: no it wasn't Just. Durham the other GUY i was 755 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: thinking about Was Brenton strange Ol. Jacksonville you know he's 756 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: a guy who he Was, yeah he was the second 757 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: rounder but the only thing for me with him is, 758 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: that you, know college HIS a dot was six point. Zero, 759 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: like it's just even if he, does you, know come 760 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: into playing time and with all those other receivers, there 761 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: it's JUST i just it's hard for me to see 762 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: him be super. Productive So i'd rather just take a 763 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: shout on a guy like Like lellis who has like 764 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: a non zero chance If kittle gets hurt of maybe 765 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: stepping up out for sure for. Sure all, Right so 766 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: let me recap the. Draft So sean started With Dalton 767 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: kincaid Of bills te. SIXTEEN i Went sam A porta 768 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: of The. Lions at tight end Twenty sean Went Luke 769 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: muskrave of The packers at tight end thirty. TWO i 770 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: Went Michael mayer of The. Raiders at tight end twenty 771 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: six Then sean Went Luke schoonmaker The. COWBOYS i Went 772 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: josh why we are The. Titans sean Went cam the 773 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: two of The. NINERS i Went Darnell washington of The, 774 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: Steelers Sean Olijah higgins of The, dolphins AND i Went 775 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: Braydon willis of The. Niners so that is going to 776 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: wrap it up for our tight end preview episode for 777 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Three our quarterback episode dropped earlier this. Week 778 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: our Running back and Wide receiver episodes are already out as, 779 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: well so be sure to check those out right here 780 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: on The Fantasy flex. Channel you can Find sean On 781 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: x at The Underscore Odds, Maker i'm At Chris, raybond 782 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: And we're at those same handles on the free award 783 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: Winning Action network. App also be sure to check out 784 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: our season long fantasy rankings for twenty twenty three on 785 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: actionnetwork dot com as. Well until next, time let's get 786 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: thish Money. Hawk Action network reminds you please gamble. Responsibly 787 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: if you or someone you care about has a gambling, 788 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: problem help is available twenty four to seven at one 789 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: eight hundred gambler