Speaker 1: Warning this episode contains scenes that may be disturbing to
Speaker 1: some of our listeners. In the eighties and early nineties,
Speaker 1: Pablo Scobard and other well known drug lords cause an
Speaker 1: instability similar to a war, not only in Medegin, but
Speaker 1: in nearly all of Colombia. This period of narco terrorism
Speaker 1: left a trail of pain that its victims still suffer from.
Speaker 1: The Inflexion Memorial Park has forty six thousand, six hundred
Speaker 1: and twelve holes. Each one represents a victim of narco
Speaker 1: terrorism in Colombia between nineteen eighty three and nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 1: Those small holes represents Captain Umberto Coral, a memorial for
Speaker 1: this victim, one of the thousands who lost their lives
Speaker 1: in this war. Among so many deaths, the majority are
Speaker 1: often not remembered, especially not as heroes. Here Jennifer Corral Beto's.
Speaker 2: Sister Aki in Colombia and Saklum Mucco's Saka Mucco Tomnahaka
Speaker 2: Mucco's dogument balis i sin om nahis a think said
Speaker 2: he is as intol.
Speaker 3: Here in Colombia. They have made many tributes, documentaries, they
Speaker 3: make series, They do everything for certain people, but my
Speaker 3: dad has never ever been mentioned in the history of Colombia.
Speaker 3: In fact, many people ask me about people they might
Speaker 3: know the story about, but not because I tell them,
Speaker 3: but maybe because they follow my brother and they asked me,
Speaker 3: what happened to your dad? They asked me, so I
Speaker 3: tell them, but they say, oh, your dad wasn't in
Speaker 3: this thing or that thing. No, no, I mean he
Speaker 3: was super important. I mean nothing is known.
Speaker 1: Jennifer is not mistaken. There is a Wikipedia page called
Speaker 1: filmography on Pablo Scoar. On that page you can find
Speaker 1: thirty three productions, including documentaries, series and fictional films, in
Speaker 1: which the most famous Columbian drug lord appears Porkiquinustasista.
Speaker 3: I mean, my son asked me why they don't honor
Speaker 3: my dad more, Why he's never mentioned, Why he's not
Speaker 3: in Colombian history, my twelve year old son. Imagine if
Speaker 3: my twelve year old son, who didn't live what we lived,
Speaker 3: and he said that.
Speaker 1: Jennifer and above all her brother Beto have thought to
Speaker 1: prevent Captain Carrals story from falling into anonymity, into oblivion
Speaker 1: because the story of Paulos Cobard is known almost worldwide.
Speaker 1: But where are the anonymous heroes who helped put an
Speaker 1: end to him. Where is the thorough investigation to clarify
Speaker 1: the murder of those who did not participate in the
Speaker 1: corruption and perhaps died from it, like Captain Corral, m.
Speaker 2: Were die locajoe Kreo is.
Speaker 3: Colombia and the truth is. I believe that my dad
Speaker 3: was killed by the Colombian state itself, according to what
Speaker 3: I know, what my brother has told me today. I
Speaker 3: say that, being more aware of the reality of what
Speaker 3: he did, that maybe he knew a lot of things
Speaker 3: at the time and maybe they wanted to silence him.
Speaker 1: In Colombia, the state insists on hiding the truth. However,
Speaker 1: society is increasingly active in demanding to know that truth.
Speaker 1: It has taken too long while people witness a trustities
Speaker 1: without really knowing what happened.
Speaker 4: In Colombia, that in Colombia they would tell the truth,
Speaker 4: the whole truth, not just the truth that's convenient to
Speaker 4: the state, not the truth that's been covered up, but
Speaker 4: the full truth about everything.
Speaker 1: This is Transportista who murdered Captain Corral Episode nine, a
Speaker 1: link between suffering and hope. As we have reviewed in
Speaker 1: previous episodes, Colombia has been emerged in a very complex
Speaker 1: armed conflict for over six decades. Complex because it has
Speaker 1: involved multiple actors who have exerted violence against the population
Speaker 1: of the wrong country, drug traffickers, guerrilla groups, paramilitaries, and
Speaker 1: even agents of the state itself. Given the complexity of
Speaker 1: the conflict, the Colombian government created a commission tasked with
Speaker 1: preparing a report that would account for the context that
Speaker 1: led to the armed conflict, as well as detailing the
Speaker 1: cases that occurred within it. The Truth Commission for Clarification
Speaker 1: of the Past Coexistence and Non Repetition. On June twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, the Truth Commission published its final report.
Speaker 1: It took three years and seven months, during which nearly
Speaker 1: ten thousand victims voluntarily participated in individual and collective interviews. Additionally,
Speaker 1: illegally armed groups in das reigenous communities, businessmen, politicians, police officers,
Speaker 1: military personnel, and even former presidents among others, contributed to
Speaker 1: the report. Jesuit Priest Francisco Rue, the commissioner's president, presented
Speaker 1: the report.
Speaker 5: Nun ten dierum keulr de armalo.
Speaker 6: Communias keleian prote Helo la destruya Hladja paramilitarios.
Speaker 1: He pointed out the violence perpetrated by different actors who
Speaker 1: tore down entire communities while ironically claiming they were there
Speaker 1: to protect them. At the ceremony, the then President elect
Speaker 1: Gustavo Petro also participated, but incumbent President Ivan duqu was absent.
Speaker 1: Discovering the absolute truth referred to by Jennifer Corral in
Speaker 1: the previous segment, has been difficult, but there are Colombians
Speaker 1: who have dedicated their lives to it.
Speaker 7: Me no, but it's Mariae Emma wills Or Regon Yosoi
Speaker 7: of UIs professor inn a Parte the National and Odra thens.
Speaker 8: My name is Mariaeima Willis Oregon. I am or was
Speaker 8: a professor for many years at one part of the
Speaker 8: National University as well as a University of Los Angeles.
Speaker 8: I was at the Institute of Political Studies and International
Speaker 8: Relations and as a department director and associate professor in
Speaker 8: other institutions. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, I missed a.
Speaker 1: Part an important part. Mariaema was involved in establishing the
Speaker 1: National Center for Historical Memory. It is an initiative to
Speaker 1: the develop a multi format archive of the memory of
Speaker 1: the most painful events of the armed conflict in Colombia.
Speaker 9: Itami, papel digamos, the media, the articular or institutional.
Speaker 10: Memorial speak.
Speaker 8: I also have a role, let's say, as a meviator,
Speaker 8: as an institutional coordinator with the security forces that want
Speaker 8: to remember their victims. So I also know something about
Speaker 8: the memory processes undertaken by the Colombian police and army, especially.
Speaker 1: In the context of the violence that plagues are continent
Speaker 1: memory begins to play a fundamental role.
Speaker 9: Is eunopienza and America Latina and the Ituras and Odrospa
Speaker 9: isis last week mastanac memoria.
Speaker 8: If we think about other countries in Latin America that
Speaker 8: come from dictatorships, well, at that time, in other countries too,
Speaker 8: victims remembered as a way to fight against impunity and
Speaker 8: to claim the dignity of their death or their missing ones.
Speaker 8: Let's put it in that way.
Speaker 1: Colombia did not come from a dictatorship. It was a
Speaker 1: democracy with many areas of opportunity, but it was not
Speaker 1: a dictatorship. However, its society had thousands of victims who
Speaker 1: wanted to tell what was happening in the conflict.
Speaker 10: In Dos Lalai. The victim.
Speaker 9: And dos Milsinko established cass A you recons tru itial
Speaker 9: conflict last dynamic as a conflict TORMO.
Speaker 8: So the Victims and Justice Law and Peace, which was
Speaker 8: approved in two thousand and five, establishes the need to
Speaker 8: reconstruct the conflict, the dynamics of the armed conflict, and
Speaker 8: this responsibility falls on the National Commission for Reconciliation and Rehabilitation.
Speaker 8: That commission has multiple tasks and has to reintegrate former combatants,
Speaker 8: provide reparations to the victims, and narrate the conflict.
Speaker 1: An ambitious commission with a painful but indispensable task to
Speaker 1: narrate the truth and recount the mistakes and horrors of
Speaker 1: the conflict, even if they are uncomfortable for the state.
Speaker 10: Locyo Coures delalais established.
Speaker 9: Reconstruction de las Amas conflict ormo so retos paramilitaris is
Speaker 9: a los actors legalis.
Speaker 8: The law establishes the reconstruction of the dynamics of the
Speaker 8: armed conflict, especially focusing on the paramilitaries and illegal actors,
Speaker 8: but it does not mention the Colombian state with equal force.
Speaker 8: What the group does is appropriate those articles and expand
Speaker 8: the group's mission and so the group begins to reconstruct
Speaker 8: the dynamics of the armed conflict, including all of the actors,
Speaker 8: not ignoring the role that the state has played in
Speaker 8: the Colombian conflict, but on the contrary, including that role.
Speaker 1: Because the Colombian state also committed atrocities in its mission
Speaker 1: to eradicate illegal subversive groups. Let's remember the Viatina massacre
Speaker 1: in which a group of twelve hooded policemen killed nine
Speaker 1: people in Medigine, and there were many more incidents like that.
Speaker 1: In order to include the state as a participant in
Speaker 1: the armed conflict, another law was approved in twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: the Victims and Land Restitution.
Speaker 9: Law zum cambio fum yes last Victims and Victims las
Speaker 9: victimari victims.
Speaker 10: Entring in sally.
Speaker 8: That is a fundamental change in perspective. It allows the victims,
Speaker 8: the victims of the state, the victims of the paramilitaries,
Speaker 8: the victims of the gerias, to enter into that law
Speaker 8: and be recognized by it. And also the state enters
Speaker 8: not only as a victim of the conflict, but also
Speaker 8: as a participating actor in the armed conflict.
Speaker 1: Because this participation of the state is particularly difficult to define.
Speaker 10: Parte location conflict is.
Speaker 8: Part of what an armed conflict does is a raise complexity,
Speaker 8: eraise the complexity of actors, alliances, and dynamics, and establish
Speaker 8: a view of good and evil, a very binary view
Speaker 8: where for some the state is a bad guy and
Speaker 8: pure citizens are the good ones. For others, the geriga
Speaker 8: is the bad one and the state is the good one.
Speaker 1: This binary perspective, explained by Mariaima Wills, is also reflected
Speaker 1: in how the Truth Commission was received. Some defended as
Speaker 1: a democratic process to achieve peace, but some reject it.
Speaker 1: It is a matter that generates deep feelings in a
Speaker 1: divided and wounded society due to such a bloody conflict.
Speaker 1: And just as some consider the state as good or
Speaker 1: bad in black and white terms, talking about the state
Speaker 1: as a homogeneous force where everyone thinks the same is
Speaker 1: also risky. Like everywhere else you can find everything.
Speaker 10: Businesses are you democratic?
Speaker 9: Al pic issues institutionists peroyotra sector is suprememento retarius verticalis.
Speaker 8: There is a sector that recognizes the need to democratize
Speaker 8: the country and its institutions. Still, there are other supremely
Speaker 8: authoritarian vertical sectors that basically defend a very authoritarian.
Speaker 11: View of order.
Speaker 8: Yes, so I believe that understanding the role of the
Speaker 8: security forces in the armed conflict requires those nuances.
Speaker 1: An example of this is the peace agreement with the
Speaker 1: Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia People's Army or PARK EPPE,
Speaker 1: one of the most feared and bloodthirsty guerrilla groups in
Speaker 1: the armed conflict. After four years of negotiations in Havana, Cuba,
Speaker 1: the Colombian government and PARK signed an agreement for the
Speaker 1: demobilization of this guerilla group with a series of conditions.
Speaker 1: The fact is now a political party, a decision that
Speaker 1: continues to polarize Columbian society. According to Mariaema, the Truth
Speaker 1: Commission was created to continue the peace process. It's a
Speaker 1: way of understanding the context in which the armed conflict
Speaker 1: was possible and clarifying those episodes of violence that characterized it.
Speaker 10: La comisionescucho alas victim as busco logos de were.
Speaker 8: The Commission listened to the victims from all regions. It
Speaker 8: sought to make contact and also have truthful dialogues in
Speaker 8: the regions. In some cases, it also brought perpetrators face
Speaker 8: to face with victims and made them account for their actions.
Speaker 1: It was not an easy time. Ask try to imagine it,
Speaker 1: gathering thousands of people from all corners of the country
Speaker 1: to talk about what traumatized them for life. It is
Speaker 1: a process that obviously evokes strong emotions, and while some
Speaker 1: approve it, there are those who reject it. As difficult
Speaker 1: as this process was in Colombia, the reconciliation initiative rounds
Speaker 1: were achieved and the Truth Commission published their final report.
Speaker 1: In the eleven volumes that make it up, chilling figures
Speaker 1: were published. For example, four hundred and fifty thousand, six
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty four people lost their lives, sixteen thousand,
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty eight cases of forced recruitment of
Speaker 1: children and teenagers were registered. There are four thousand, eight
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four civilian victims affected by land mines,
Speaker 1: and one thousand, two hundred and ninety four were victims
Speaker 1: of sexual violence, among others. However, the Truth Commission was
Speaker 1: also rejected by more conservative sectors in Colombia, such as
Speaker 1: former President Albaro Rive who said the Truth Commission has
Speaker 1: a license to lie. For Mariaima Wills, the presentation of
Speaker 1: this report is essential because.
Speaker 9: Jan Capsula Alsufrimiento and Colombia.
Speaker 8: It brings to the forefront and encapsulates the suffering experience
Speaker 8: in Colombia for so many years through the voices of
Speaker 8: the victims, but it also highlights the efforts being made
Speaker 8: to overcome the armed conflict. It's can link between suffering
Speaker 8: and hope. It's like a bridge to say, look, this
Speaker 8: suffering has not been in vain because now we recognize
Speaker 8: what we have experienced, and that recognition allows us to
Speaker 8: think about the future differently and think about what should
Speaker 8: not be repeated in this country, to break free from
Speaker 8: the cycles of violence.
Speaker 1: Cycles of violence that unfortunately are still active and ongoing.
Speaker 1: Because the armed conflict has not completely ended in Colombia.
Speaker 1: There are still active guerrilla groups like the Alna, paramilitary
Speaker 1: groups are still present, and obviously drug trafficking still exists.
Speaker 1: These cycles of violence have involved different actors, as in
Speaker 1: the case of Captain Krral's murder, there was a combination
Speaker 1: of factors that made this tragic out come possible. Let's remember,
Speaker 1: according to Beto, a police officer named LUs Maria Roolella
Speaker 1: Maso deceived Captain Corral into going out with her on
Speaker 1: the night of April twenty one, nineteen ninety four, and
Speaker 1: in collision with other men who assaulted him. They shot
Speaker 1: him three times, ending his life. Days after the murder,
Speaker 1: the police washed the car in which they intercepted Captain Corral,
Speaker 1: thus erasing substantial evidence. LUs Maria Roleva, the mysterious woman,
Speaker 1: attended Captain Corral's funeral, but quickly disappeared.
Speaker 10: Quando la fria or douglas en.
Speaker 11: Resafree When I went to approach her, the lady left,
Speaker 11: she disappeared.
Speaker 1: Took callicari as a cero or qualata intention? And what
Speaker 1: did you want to ask?
Speaker 5: Or what were you trying to domke? No person?
Speaker 11: In other words, I think the first thought one hans
Speaker 11: when people die is to ask how, why, what happened?
Speaker 11: That was what I wanted to ask her, But it
Speaker 11: didn't happen. I did not have the chance.
Speaker 1: The authorities confirmed to the Coral family that she had died,
Speaker 1: but Beto Corral discovered years later that she was still alive.
Speaker 1: He found her on social media and tried to get
Speaker 1: in touch with her, but she blocked him.
Speaker 6: Sim that's grimy marimbres Berta Corra, Yes, I made that mistake.
Speaker 5: I sent a message to her and I said, Hi,
Speaker 5: lose Mari, my name is Umberto Corral. I am the
Speaker 5: son of the police Major Umberto Corral. I want to
Speaker 5: talk to you, and I never got a response. Then
Speaker 5: I found her on Instagram. She ended up blocking me
Speaker 5: on all social media.
Speaker 1: Upon receiving the judicial file of the case, Beto learned
Speaker 1: that she had fired a fourth shot that none of
Speaker 1: the witnesses heard. She tested positive for gunshot residue, confirming
Speaker 1: that she had fired a weapon. This led Beto to
Speaker 1: conclude that she had participated in his father's murder. The
Speaker 1: file indicated inconsistencies in LUs Marii's testimony, but she was
Speaker 1: not called again to testify, and that lead was never pursued.
Speaker 6: Lasigeno avident lets Parolian yes, alien stoiment We're looking for it.
Speaker 5: Evidently that woman did fire at someone, and I'm certain
Speaker 5: that someone was my dad. I've determined that missus LUs
Speaker 5: Marie bole Maso, a member of the police, with the
Speaker 5: help of those men, murdered my father.
Speaker 1: According to Beto's own investigations, before or being murdered, Captain
Speaker 1: Korl planned to expose his superior in the search block
Speaker 1: Colonel Ugaguilar for stealing hidden statues of money or drugs
Speaker 1: belonging to the drug lord Pablo Scovard.
Speaker 6: When Sara contesta Sola la la Henria colam.
Speaker 5: Well, that answer speaks for itself. The relationship that he
Speaker 5: would have with my father's death dates back to a
Speaker 5: statement made by a police officer in which he claims
Speaker 5: that Major Uguaguilar ordered my father's murder because of the
Speaker 5: complaints he wanted to make about the calettas that Aguilar
Speaker 5: seized and did not properly report to the National Police.
Speaker 1: Over time, Ugaguilar faced justice for his involvement in paramilitary activities,
Speaker 1: but he completed his sentence in twenty twenty two and
Speaker 1: is now free in Colombia. On the other hand, according
Speaker 1: to beto inquiries, Los Maria roolela Maso is also free
Speaker 1: and living in the United States. Despite the evidence that
Speaker 1: Beto has publicly presented, the case crossed the statute of
Speaker 1: limitations in twenty fourteen and remains unsolved and closed. Beto
Speaker 1: has dared to speak publicly to make brave accusations, and
Speaker 1: for this he received threats that forced him to leave
Speaker 1: his country and to seek asylum in the United States.
Speaker 1: Beto was not part of the Truth Commission's tables, but
Speaker 1: ten thousand other people came forward to tell everything.
Speaker 9: Is only historicasa historica case more impression.
Speaker 8: Fatalis So the Commission does is if you will give
Speaker 8: an extra push to a historical wave. This historical force
Speaker 8: is very impressive because the war has been devastating and
Speaker 8: fears in this country. But amidst that ferocity, the citizenry
Speaker 8: has organized itself. Well, a part of the citizenry has
Speaker 8: organized itself and a part of the institutional framework and
Speaker 8: pro democracy political sectors have allied themselves with this great
Speaker 8: force so that things don't remain in total impunity. I
Speaker 8: know we have problems, but I also acknowledge those.
Speaker 1: Struggles individual and collective struggles to progress and build bridges
Speaker 1: that lead to peace in Columbia. We'll be back with
Speaker 1: more after a break. As mentioned in the previous segment,
Speaker 1: the Truth Commission published its final report almost a year ago.
Speaker 1: In June twenty twenty two. Catalina Sanrancisco bar the lawyer
Speaker 1: and scholar who explained the metaphor of the black boxes
Speaker 1: through which the Colombian state keeps secrets that could get
Speaker 1: them into trouble explains.
Speaker 2: And vintioch unla commission blesto allow the entry was informed
Speaker 2: in a e who stament and arcotraffic continuing capitulo important
Speaker 2: ns informed.
Speaker 12: On June twenty eight, the Truth Commission delivered its final report,
Speaker 12: and precisely drug trafficking has an important chapter in that report.
Speaker 12: And let's say that part of the recommendations first gives
Speaker 12: us a narrative about the relationship that drug trafficking had
Speaker 12: with armed conflict, how it permits and infiltrates all social,
Speaker 12: economic and political spheres of Columbia, but also a series
Speaker 12: of recommendations. And within those recommendations, it will be very
Speaker 12: difficult because it acknowledges that annoledging mistakes is costly, especially
Speaker 12: when it entails human rights violations and the infringement of
Speaker 12: people's dignity, that is.
Speaker 1: To say, when the state itself is involved in human
Speaker 1: rights violations. When state actors like those whom Beto points
Speaker 1: out as the ones responsible for his father's murder remain free,
Speaker 1: they remain free taking advantage of the institutional black boxes
Speaker 1: that continue to cover up their secrets.
Speaker 9: Okamos and esperdios and inaustar mucho poporquela.
Speaker 10: Construction a memory is voluntario is pontani.
Speaker 12: Here we have some missing links in that chain, and
Speaker 12: it will take us a long time. Why because a
Speaker 12: construction of memory is voluntary and spontaneous, and we have
Speaker 12: to depend on the will of many people and above
Speaker 12: all institutions.
Speaker 1: This is precisely why the Truth Commission's report is important,
Speaker 1: because it helps advance processes of justice, of preventing certain
Speaker 1: cases from remaining in impunity, trusting that victims and perpetrators
Speaker 1: speak about what they know.
Speaker 11: Yea, in Columbia.
Speaker 7: Construct vantozes as informous importante at Penalo Samos and.
Speaker 12: In Colombia it may be late, but memory is being built.
Speaker 12: So the report is important. We are just beginning to
Speaker 12: understand it. The idea is for processes of socialization and
Speaker 12: education so that we understand what it is about, especially
Speaker 12: because some people still don't even know who the commission
Speaker 12: was and what it did. To come and talk about
Speaker 12: the report now, to.
Speaker 1: Prevent people who have information of interest to the victims
Speaker 1: from staying silent because some do not see the present
Speaker 1: in such an optimistic way, like Betro and Jennifer Coral with.
Speaker 9: K is.
Speaker 3: Well, I believe that it's getting worse every time. I mean,
Speaker 3: I feel that people are being silenced more and more.
Speaker 3: There's more silence every time, and about these times, I
Speaker 3: feel like we're still the same, We still have the
Speaker 3: same violence. It's still the same, and nothing has advanced,
Speaker 3: and I don't see any thing happening for us to
Speaker 3: move forward.
Speaker 1: Jennifer is not the only one in the family who
Speaker 1: does not see with optimism that drive for change in
Speaker 1: the context of the peace processes that currently takes place
Speaker 1: in Colombia.
Speaker 6: Look Sclaros Scala, polysias Pa.
Speaker 5: What is clear is that my father's death and the
Speaker 5: death of all those police officers has served absolutely no purpose,
Speaker 5: and the only way to stop this bloodshed is by
Speaker 5: changing that. Beyond drugs, which I detest, but I detest
Speaker 5: even more the stupidity of the world trying to fight
Speaker 5: it with blood and fire, and above all, those deaths
Speaker 5: are only in our countries, so it was odd for nothing.
Speaker 5: My father's death was also in vain.
Speaker 1: In cases of human rights abuses, victims can receive reparations,
Speaker 1: but despite legislative reforms that acknowledge the participation of the
Speaker 1: Colombian state in the armed conflict and also acknowledged that
Speaker 1: they were involved in human rights abuses. Betu and his
Speaker 1: family have not received any form of reparation, neither symbolic
Speaker 1: nor economic. The state also abandoned them in the pursuit
Speaker 1: of justice and did nothing to clarify and punish Captain
Speaker 1: Korral's murder. However, Betho continues to fight, perhaps from exile,
Speaker 1: but he is increasingly active on social media and other
Speaker 1: platforms to prevent impunity in his father's case and to
Speaker 1: seek justice in many other cases in Colombia. In the
Speaker 1: next and final episode of Transportista Who Murdered Captain Corral,
Speaker 1: you will hear a different episode a conversation to learn
Speaker 1: more about Beto Corral. Transportista Who Murdered Captain Corral is
Speaker 1: a production of Exiled Content Studio and Detective in partnership
Speaker 1: with Ihartz Michael Tura podcast Network, and is hosted by
Speaker 1: me Alvaro Stes. Production by Diego Livares and Alvaro Sespenes
Speaker 1: with the help of Sabine Jansen, Anna Isabel, Octavio, Veronic
Speaker 1: Carnandez Reynolds Gutierrez and Stella Emmet. Written by Alvardo Sespenis
Speaker 1: edited by Carmen Ratterol, fact checking by the sire Jeppes.
Speaker 1: Adaptation to English by Magalis Transki. Thanks to the voice
Speaker 1: actors who contributed in this episode. Beto corral Is, Razio Manzija,
Speaker 1: Jennifer carral Is, Andrea Sebaios, Mariaeima wills Is, Paulina Garcia Fontees,
Speaker 1: Teresa sifuenttees Is, Carmel Gratterol and Catalina sanranzzcobard Is, Veronica Hernandez.
Speaker 1: Executive producers are Carmel Gratterol, Rose reed Iszak Lee and
Speaker 1: the Eendriquez Sor. Sound designed by Uga Mendoza and Gonzalo Messi.
Speaker 1: Original music by Sebastian Leon Daniel Batista Overseas Audio at
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