WEBVTT - Badass of the Week Returns, Part Two: Chesapeake Capes

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>as always so much for tuning in. That's our super producer,

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<v Speaker 2>mister Max Williams.

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<v Speaker 3>Max the Chesapeake Boy Williams Chesapeake.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I do want to drop something in here from

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<v Speaker 4>that's reference to our previous episode. Sure, it was brought

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<v Speaker 4>up the absurd name of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim,

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<v Speaker 4>which I one time saw and I've never forgotten. This

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<v Speaker 4>translates to the the Angels Angels of Anaheim.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a real ATM machine. Then number magic there

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<v Speaker 2>with the facts.

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<v Speaker 5>That seeking in the phone and PA's fallen knowledge.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just for you right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is none other than mister Noel Brown. They

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<v Speaker 2>help me, Ben Bulling. In this neck of the Global woods, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>we are having what we call a Badass Badass of

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<v Speaker 2>the Week week uh with big, big thanks to our

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<v Speaker 2>returning guest, none other than the co host of the

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<v Speaker 2>Actual Facts Badass of the Week podcast. Please please join

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<v Speaker 2>us in welcoming back doctor Pat Larish and Ben Thompson.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank you guys so much for having us. We're

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<v Speaker 5>going to Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do. That's another is

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<v Speaker 5>another one. That's a repetition. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>A word for tea. Yeah, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Folks. You could get the sense already that you are

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<v Speaker 2>now hanging with five big time nerds.

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<v Speaker 3>We were talking about threatening to do a D and

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<v Speaker 3>D campaign off Mikes.

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<v Speaker 5>I write professional write D D adventures professionally, so.

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<v Speaker 3>I did know that about you. Well, I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 3>h to come into your world of D and D

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<v Speaker 3>and dungeon mastery.

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<v Speaker 2>Folks. Folks, if you have not tuned into our previous

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<v Speaker 2>episode about a guy named George that Noel, Max and

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<v Speaker 2>I had no idea about, please hie THEE to thy

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<v Speaker 2>podcast platform of.

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<v Speaker 3>Choice or a Nunnery depending or if you wish right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they have WiFi. So we are Ben and Pat.

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<v Speaker 2>We are so excited that you all are returning with us,

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<v Speaker 2>despite our cavalcade of three out of five puns. You

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<v Speaker 2>know in our previous episode, you are returning to us

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<v Speaker 2>with another story of a badass. This is something building

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<v Speaker 2>on our previous conversation. So for everybody wondering why we're

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<v Speaker 2>calling our super producer Max the Chesapeake Cape. We promised

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<v Speaker 2>we were going to pay it off. And so the

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<v Speaker 2>Chesapeake Boy also the Chesapeake Boy. He's a chesapeaker.

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<v Speaker 5>He's actually a chesapea cheesecake.

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<v Speaker 2>That there we go go. So it bid, Pat, what

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<v Speaker 2>is going on in York Town in the seventeen.

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<v Speaker 5>Hundreds, Yes, so let's talk. We were talking before about

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<v Speaker 5>George Rogers Clark and that's an interesting story. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we are at a time where we're celebrating America to

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<v Speaker 5>fifty right now, and so we've been doing, at least

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<v Speaker 5>on our show, we've been doing a lot of American

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<v Speaker 5>history characters, revolutionary war characters, and I think it's worth

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<v Speaker 5>mentioning that a lot of America doesn't happen without the

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<v Speaker 5>help of the French. As much as we like to

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<v Speaker 5>dunk on the French here, Yeah, that is, they played

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<v Speaker 5>a very important role in the American Revolution. We talked

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<v Speaker 5>about a slightly more passive role in the last episode.

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<v Speaker 5>This one is going to be a little bit more

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<v Speaker 5>of an active role with direct direct fire engagement. So

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<v Speaker 5>I guess in honor of America two fifty and bestial

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<v Speaker 5>Day two thirty seven. We'll talk about the Battle of

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<v Speaker 5>Chesapeake games and CHESSA games is a weird thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just say really quickly, I really appreciate you

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<v Speaker 3>referring to it as America two fifty and not the

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<v Speaker 3>rebranded Freedom two fifty. We are in America to fifty

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<v Speaker 3>household here, So I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't even I haven't even heard of that. So

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<v Speaker 5>I don't just better that you haven't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's better than you haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bag of badgers.

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<v Speaker 5>Liberty two thirty five or thirty seven or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>This Okay, what's up with the capes though, you guys?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, yes, let's get into that. So it's an interesting

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<v Speaker 5>thing about this is that the most decisive military action

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<v Speaker 5>of the Yorktown Campaign did not involve a single American soldier,

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<v Speaker 5>sailor or marine. That's the story we're going to tell today.

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<v Speaker 5>So we all kind of know the story of Yorktown

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<v Speaker 5>the way that we are taught it in school. We

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<v Speaker 5>picture the British, they're pinned down on Peninsula and Virginia, Washington, Rochambeau.

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<v Speaker 5>The American and French armies link up, they trap Cornwallis

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<v Speaker 5>on this eninsula. They marched down there. Cornwallis is locked

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<v Speaker 5>into He's got this bunker system at this fort in Yorktown.

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<v Speaker 5>He gets surrounded, he gets attacked, he tries to break

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<v Speaker 5>out't he's not successful, and then he has to surrender

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<v Speaker 5>his army. That's the tale we've been told right.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, here's the thing. Yorktown is a coastal city, right,

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<v Speaker 6>so it's a peninsula surrounded by water, and the British, well,

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<v Speaker 6>at this point in history, who has the most powerful

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<v Speaker 6>navy on the planet. So the Brits, I mean, they

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<v Speaker 6>were basically ruling the Atlantic. So why were they stuck?

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<v Speaker 6>If the Royal Navy is the undisputed king of the sea,

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<v Speaker 6>how in the world did they let Cornwallis get cornered

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<v Speaker 6>on a piece of dirt when he couldn't escape by ship?

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<v Speaker 6>If you have, you know, the ultimate taxi service, why

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<v Speaker 6>are you waiting on the curb to get arrested?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, So the reasonly revolution ends at Yorktown isn't because

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<v Speaker 5>we walked up and demanded them to surrender. It's because

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit before the siege there was something that happened.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a naval battle that happened off the coast

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<v Speaker 5>of Yorktown. That was among the most deadly naval conflicts

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<v Speaker 5>of the eighteenth century. It's called the Battle of Chesapeake Capes,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's the reason the United States exists. So we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to talk about some frenchmen. We're gonna talk about

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<v Speaker 5>some cannons. We're going to talk about British admirals, We're

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<v Speaker 5>going to talk about gunfire fighting, marines, all kinds of

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<v Speaker 5>badass stuff on this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>And in interest of full disclosure, folks, we just want

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<v Speaker 2>to get in front of the emails and the scuttle

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<v Speaker 2>but we are going to have to acknowledge that not

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<v Speaker 2>all bends are great. There is there is one bad

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<v Speaker 2>Bed in this story.

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<v Speaker 3>Just one bad Ben in the historical bunch and no more.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's there's Mussolini. I guess he qualifies, but.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a bit of a bend. I wonder if his

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<v Speaker 3>friends called I wonder if he was Ben to his friends.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always referred to him exclusively as Benito.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, as Benito has a little ben uh Benedict Arnold,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to just I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think, really we're really expanding our definition of Ben's here.

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<v Speaker 5>That's true, that's true, that's true, are you, Benjamin, Is

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<v Speaker 5>this a legal inquiry?

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<v Speaker 3>We do have that, but.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe it's not like if you're shortening for something else,

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<v Speaker 5>it's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, Well, I just wanted to get in front

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<v Speaker 2>of that for us to make sure that you know, uh, you,

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<v Speaker 2>fellow ridiculous historians know as a crew that we do

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<v Speaker 2>not I hope we can say this unanimously. We do

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<v Speaker 2>not condone Benedict Arnold.

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<v Speaker 5>Arnold's an interesting character that we can. We can do

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<v Speaker 5>a whole thing on him, because we did a Badass

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<v Speaker 5>the Week on him, actually, because it was so wild,

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<v Speaker 5>like he was such a hero, such a brave American hero,

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<v Speaker 5>military commander, like so many amazing actions early on.

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<v Speaker 3>The war, but one thing, that one thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 5>Like that decision to find him. But he did a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of heroic stuff, but he won Saratoga. He like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we might have talked about this in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Yeah, it's not funny, man, how history can remember

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<v Speaker 3>you for the one bad thing and then your name

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<v Speaker 3>becomes a stand in for being a bad guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, ethel read the unready you can hear him debated

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<v Speaker 2>about at length in Badass of the Week. In the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>ethel read the unready was actually unready multiple times.

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<v Speaker 5>That's true.

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<v Speaker 6>So he.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he deserved it. But we knows, as you're as

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<v Speaker 2>we're saying here, it may be new information to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of us in the audience that when we're saying

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<v Speaker 2>Chesapeake capes, we're talking about a specific place, not a

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<v Speaker 2>style of cloak.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, this is off the coast of Virginia, in the

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<v Speaker 5>Chesapeake Bay. So okay. So Cornwallis is trapped in. He's

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<v Speaker 5>trapped down in. So when the war begins, you have

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<v Speaker 5>or at this point in the war where at seventeen

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<v Speaker 5>eighty one, the British have an army up north and

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<v Speaker 5>they have an army down south. The army down south.

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<v Speaker 5>You guys have covered this before. But the army down

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<v Speaker 5>south is being beaten, right, They've lost the coalpins, they've

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<v Speaker 5>lost the Guildford Courthouse, they're retreating. Cornwallis's guys, he's got

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<v Speaker 5>half the British forces in North America, but he's lost

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<v Speaker 5>a couple battles. He needs to regroup, so he moves

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<v Speaker 5>moves into Yorktown, waiting to get picked up by a

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<v Speaker 5>zuber to bring him back to New York to regroup

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<v Speaker 5>and refit. Washington is up north. He's like, well, this

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<v Speaker 5>is our chance. So when Cornwallis retreats to Yorktown, Washington diverts,

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<v Speaker 5>like almost the entire American army in North America to

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<v Speaker 5>attack Yorktown, to try to just concentrate on this one thing.

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<v Speaker 5>We've gotten this guy, we've got him here. We need

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<v Speaker 5>to just attack it and try to knock this one

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<v Speaker 5>thing out, divide and conquer. Right, So he marches his

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<v Speaker 5>troops a very long distance in a very short period

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<v Speaker 5>of time to surround Yorktown. But in order for this

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<v Speaker 5>to the British can't, as Pat said, just roll up

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<v Speaker 5>with their boats and sail away. Now, this is where

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<v Speaker 5>we need to call in the French. And by seventeen

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<v Speaker 5>eighty one, the American Revolution is not just the thirteen

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<v Speaker 5>colonies in King George. It is a planet wide world war.

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<v Speaker 5>France and Spain have jumped in and there's fighting everywhere.

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<v Speaker 6>We've got naval battles in India, skirmishes in Africa, We've

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<v Speaker 6>got this huge kerfuffle going on in the Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, so, I mean it's worth mentioning that the

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<v Speaker 5>bloodiest battle and longest battle of the War of the

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<v Speaker 5>American Revolution was the Siege of Gibraltar. More people died

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<v Speaker 5>there than any battle in the American Revolution, and it

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<v Speaker 5>was part of that war. So when you know, we

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<v Speaker 5>sent Benjamin Franklin, here's a good bend. We sent Benjamin

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<v Speaker 5>Franklin over to ed John Adams over to over to

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<v Speaker 5>France to negotiate this. And when France joined, like, the

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<v Speaker 5>deal we made with France was like, Okay, any territory

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<v Speaker 5>we take in North America is American, but I don't

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<v Speaker 5>care what you guys do otherwise, and so you just

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<v Speaker 5>fight whatever. And so the French and the Spanish start

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<v Speaker 5>attacking all of these British colonies all over the world,

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<v Speaker 5>like you said, India, Africa, the Caribbean. They try to

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<v Speaker 5>take Gibraltar, which was British, which is still British, but

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<v Speaker 5>they and they lay sieged for like years, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And also India is really interesting, Pat, I was not

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<v Speaker 2>aware of that, Noel, did you know about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't hope.

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<v Speaker 5>France had colonies in India at the time, and they

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<v Speaker 5>were trying to take it over. It didn't work out

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<v Speaker 5>for them. They lost over there, but they tried. They

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<v Speaker 5>were just attacking everywhere that they could, and that really

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<v Speaker 5>spreads the English out right. It's not that the British

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<v Speaker 5>don't lose because France joins the war, because France sends

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<v Speaker 5>us a million soldiers to fight the war. They win

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<v Speaker 5>because France attacks places, honestly, places that English cares about more. Gibraltar, India,

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<v Speaker 5>the Caribbean. These are very very lucrative places for the

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<v Speaker 5>British Empire. And they're like, we don't have the forces,

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<v Speaker 5>we don't the resources to garrison all of this, so

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<v Speaker 5>we'll just give up on the North America and we'll

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<v Speaker 5>worry about the stuff that actually matters. We win because

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<v Speaker 5>they pressure them across all fronts and we open up

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<v Speaker 5>a you know, not just a second front of the war,

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<v Speaker 5>but a whole bunch of them. Now, okay, this is

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<v Speaker 5>what's going on here. And but in order to get

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<v Speaker 5>corn Wallace and his guys, we've got them trapped on

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<v Speaker 5>the peninsula. The British Navy is coming to pick them up,

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<v Speaker 5>and h we have to stop them. So this is

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<v Speaker 5>where the French fleet comes into play, and they have

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<v Speaker 5>to kind of sail in here and block this fleet

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<v Speaker 5>of British transport ships from picking up this whole army

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<v Speaker 5>and moving up to New York and expanding the extending

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<v Speaker 5>the war by probably years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And this plan it's a gamp like every plan is

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<v Speaker 6>a gamble. It has to do with timing. If Washington

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<v Speaker 6>and the French General Rochambeau can get there first, we're fine.

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<v Speaker 6>But if the British fleet shows up at the same time,

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<v Speaker 6>even earlier, then Cornwall sails north and the whole thing

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<v Speaker 6>falls apart.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, this is our chance to catch half their army

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<v Speaker 5>is in one spot. We got to catch them before

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<v Speaker 5>they can escape.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a real ticking time bomb scenario.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, this is This is a serious fleet that's coming.

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<v Speaker 5>They are there. These are you know, think about like

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<v Speaker 5>Napoleonic era wooden warships, three decks of cannons. Right, The

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<v Speaker 5>American Navy basically does not existent. It's John Paul Jones

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<v Speaker 5>and like two guys and like a pirate. And that's it.

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<v Speaker 5>There's no fleet. There's no American fleet here. And the

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<v Speaker 5>John Paul Jones ship was built by for the French.

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<v Speaker 5>And so the British fleet rolls up and they are

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<v Speaker 5>coming with the armed escort of war ships and the

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<v Speaker 5>Admiral the French admiral is a guy named de Grassi.

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<v Speaker 5>He's he gives the order to sail out and meet

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<v Speaker 5>these guys. Now, this is where I want to introduce

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<v Speaker 5>a character who I think is going to be our

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<v Speaker 5>badass for this episode. Commanding the lead ship in the

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<v Speaker 5>French formation is the ship's called the August, and the

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<v Speaker 5>captain is a guy that you need to know. His

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<v Speaker 5>name is Louis Anton de Bougainville. And I'm sure I'm

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<v Speaker 5>mispronouncing that, Pat.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you want to it works on such authority.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's half of it. It's like karaoke, you just

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<v Speaker 5>got to do it. This guy is the captain of

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<v Speaker 5>the August, and he has already lived basically like three lifetimes.

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<v Speaker 5>He was born in Paris in seventeen twenty nine. His

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<v Speaker 5>family was minor nobility, but both his parents died when

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<v Speaker 5>he was five, and he was raised by his older brother.

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<v Speaker 5>He goes to the University of Paris. He publishes just

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<v Speaker 5>for fun, publishes two treatises on integral calculus. He's a

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<v Speaker 5>genius just for fun. He's a genius mathematician. He is

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<v Speaker 5>a musketeer. He joins the army in seventeen fifty as

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<v Speaker 5>a musketeer like d'Artagnan fights against the British in Canada

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<v Speaker 5>during the Seven Years War, where he takes part in

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<v Speaker 5>the defenses of both Quebec City and Montreal. He's wounded,

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<v Speaker 5>he gets knighted for heroism in battle. He takes part

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<v Speaker 5>of the diplomatic he's part of a diplomatic team sent

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<v Speaker 5>by France to negotiate the Treaty of Paris that ends

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<v Speaker 5>the war. And then after that he becomes a famous

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<v Speaker 5>explorer and naturalist. So he is the captain of the

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<v Speaker 5>expedition that sets up the first European colony on the

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<v Speaker 5>Falkland Islands, and then he commands the first French expedition

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<v Speaker 5>to circumnavigate the globe. He departs a Nansen seventeen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 5>It takes him three years. He lost seven guys out

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<v Speaker 5>of his three hundred and forty man crew. And that

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<v Speaker 5>was like going the long way around the Straight of Magellan,

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<v Speaker 5>so pretty badass stuff here. And along the way they're

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<v Speaker 5>doing the stuff that you see from like Captain Cook

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<v Speaker 5>and things where they're stopping at uncharted islands and like

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<v Speaker 5>doing you know, surveys of botanical surveys and drug pictures

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<v Speaker 5>of the animals and things that they.

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<v Speaker 2>See, and the bird and candy.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, yeah, and among his crew. This is a

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<v Speaker 6>fun little sidebar.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a naturalist, Philibert Comerson, and his assistant was

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<v Speaker 6>a woman named Jean Barrie, and she disguised herself as

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<v Speaker 6>a man. But because she was able to get herself

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<v Speaker 6>on this expedition, she was the first woman to circumnavigate

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<v Speaker 6>the globe.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. Yeah, she discussed herself as a man. She went

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<v Speaker 5>by Jean or Jean, and then it was Jean and she's, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>you could do that better than me, Pat, I think

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<v Speaker 5>you're more quick to handle that joke.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>But they found out like halfway through the halfway through

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<v Speaker 5>the journey that she was like so she was like

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<v Speaker 5>a you know, it wasn't like we found out years

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<v Speaker 5>and years later, like they found out on the journey

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<v Speaker 5>and but nobody really nobody cared, right, And it was

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<v Speaker 5>like she becomes the first woman a certain mavate the globe,

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<v Speaker 5>which is super cool.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, oh, okay, everybody's got a backstory. Our

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<v Speaker 2>main thing is avoiding scurvy.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yes, that's.

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<v Speaker 6>The correct attitude. Yes, So After this Villa comes back,

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<v Speaker 6>he becomes a superstar. He's got like a million and

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<v Speaker 6>one different skills and experiences. He meets the King and Queen.

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<v Speaker 6>He gets a flower named after him. This is the

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<v Speaker 6>Bougainville the you know those big kind of flowers that

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<v Speaker 6>kind of spill over like purply magenta colors, and now.

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<v Speaker 5>I discovered them on its trip. They named him after him.

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<v Speaker 5>Super yeah, and well the botan is named it after him.

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<v Speaker 5>He didn't name it after himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good safe, good safe?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah. So okay, so you know he's not writing

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<v Speaker 6>calculus papers and picking the flowers in the South Pacific.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 6>His main thing is to be lead captain in the

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<v Speaker 6>most important naval battle of the American Revolution. So okay,

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<v Speaker 6>who's leading the French charge? A genius, a world famous explorer,

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<v Speaker 6>and a combat veteran. This sounds like the right guy

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<v Speaker 6>for the job, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, Bougetvillas is a I mean, just a wild story. Right.

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<v Speaker 5>This guy's published published books on calculus and is you know,

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<v Speaker 5>is a celebrity, Like he's a national celebrity in France

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<v Speaker 5>for he's being the first Frenchman to circumnavigate the globe. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>he's volunteered to be the tip of the spear here.

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<v Speaker 5>This is not the kind of guy you put out

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<v Speaker 5>on the front of the battle lines. But when the

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<v Speaker 5>French fleet is lining up, he gets in the Augustin

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<v Speaker 5>and he's like, I'm in front. He sails right out

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<v Speaker 5>to the front. And this is a big warship seventy

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<v Speaker 5>four guns right, three decks, bigger than anything that the

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<v Speaker 5>Continental Navy could could field.

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<v Speaker 2>So for like current analogy here Ben would or current comparison,

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of like an astronaut saying, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>did a lot of outer space stuff, but also I

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<v Speaker 2>want to lead a.

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<v Speaker 5>Battle, right, yeah, exactly. But he's also like a world

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<v Speaker 5>renowned like naturalist right and publish books like although I

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<v Speaker 5>guess are good at calculus also, So it's something like that, right,

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<v Speaker 5>It's like having somebody you've seen on TV decide that

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<v Speaker 5>they're going to like lead the charge and carry the

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<v Speaker 5>flag into battle. It's wild, okay. So August is out front.

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<v Speaker 5>He's the first one to spot the British, he's the

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<v Speaker 5>first one to orders men to run the guns out.

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<v Speaker 5>The stage is set for this battle. The British fleet

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<v Speaker 5>is coming in. They've got their transport. The troop transports

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<v Speaker 5>are lightly armed. They're waiting back to see what happens

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<v Speaker 5>in the battle. The British fleet is moving in here.

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<v Speaker 5>Nineteen ships, fourteen hundred cannons, and you've got the most

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<v Speaker 5>polished professional sailors on the planet. This is the greatest

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<v Speaker 5>navy on Earth and everybody knows it. Nineteen ships, each

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<v Speaker 5>of them three decks, most of them three decks. Man

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<v Speaker 5>of wars. The French have twenty four ships, so they've

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<v Speaker 5>got more ships, they've got a little bit more cannon.

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<v Speaker 5>They've got seventeen hundred and set up. They've go three

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<v Speaker 5>hundred more cannons and they've got five more ships. On paper,

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<v Speaker 5>that's an advantage, but in reality, the French navy has

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<v Speaker 5>not performed well against the British navy to this point

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<v Speaker 5>in the war, and they're going to continue to not

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<v Speaker 5>perform well against them as it's the years go by.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh Bougainville is out there in front and he's sent out.

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<v Speaker 5>He's also realizing that he's kind of dangerously overextended. He's

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<v Speaker 5>out there in the front right there, he's facing nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>ships by himself. The other guys are behind him, and

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<v Speaker 5>this is old style war where you've got to get

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<v Speaker 5>the side. You got to get the broadside right, think

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<v Speaker 5>about pirate battles things. You've got to get the side

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<v Speaker 5>of your ship on the side of their ship. And

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<v Speaker 5>if he's sailing out their front, you want to get

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<v Speaker 5>the You want your fleets to be an equal sign

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<v Speaker 5>to shoot in each other. But if you're doing that,

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<v Speaker 5>you're going first, and you're the one that's going to

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<v Speaker 5>get shot by all of those That first ship is

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<v Speaker 5>the one that gets shot by all those other ships

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<v Speaker 5>as it goes down that equal sign.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a This is a bold move. Some might

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<v Speaker 6>even call it reckless. Yes, so Bogel, he's got the

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<v Speaker 6>Auguste and he's daring the British. He's basically saying nin

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<v Speaker 6>or niner, come and get me, Come and get me,

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<v Speaker 6>and trying to draw all their fire right while he's

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<v Speaker 6>trying to distract them, while the rest of the French

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<v Speaker 6>fleet is still getting into position.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, the august breaks formation and charges ahead by itself

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<v Speaker 5>to basically take on the entire British navy alone, which

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<v Speaker 5>forces the British admiral to try to react to this.

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<v Speaker 5>He's got to do something, right, He can have this

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<v Speaker 5>one ship just sailing out there, so he kind of

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<v Speaker 5>he ends up coming in at like a weird angle,

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<v Speaker 5>which helps the French in the battle. So the ships

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<v Speaker 5>kind of they come into line with each other and

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<v Speaker 5>the Augusta's out front. It's taking it's you know, they

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<v Speaker 5>run out the iron cannons row after a row of muzzles.

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<v Speaker 5>Soldiers are opening fire on each other there. The cannons

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<v Speaker 5>are shooting, but the ships get so close during the

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<v Speaker 5>battle that dudes are like climbing up onto the basts

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<v Speaker 5>and like shooting pistols and rifles at each other. Like

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<v Speaker 5>you can see the guys across room you. It's not

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<v Speaker 5>like a like you picture with a modern naval battle

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<v Speaker 5>where you're looking through like a telescope or anything. You

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<v Speaker 5>can see the dude in the in the sale across

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<v Speaker 5>from you and you're trying to shoot him with your rifle.

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<v Speaker 5>That's how close these guys are getting to each other.

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<v Speaker 5>And the ships are just devastating each other. They're blasting,

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<v Speaker 5>the masts get knocked off of the Augusts lose its masts.

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<v Speaker 5>We're talking like shrap and all the size of like

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<v Speaker 5>baseball bats like flying flying wildly around the decks here,

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<v Speaker 5>old school pirate Napoleonic style naval battle, and it's happening

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<v Speaker 5>in Virginia during the American Revolution. And for some reason

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<v Speaker 5>we've never heard this story before.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have to mention for a quick interjection here

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<v Speaker 2>you read my mind bent Napoleonic tactics, that's what we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about, like the Civil War in the United States. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a terrible name. That was an exhibition of Napoleonic

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<v Speaker 2>tactics on land where you had a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 2>who were largely going to be poor, if we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, and he made them stand in line

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<v Speaker 2>and sort of march at each other until they died.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit of a cannon fought our type situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Just so, yes, sir, And so we're saying that at

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<v Speaker 2>this time in this maritime conflict, people were still deployed

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<v Speaker 2>that Napoleonic philosophy, correct.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, right, because this predates Napoleon, so this would be

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<v Speaker 5>twenty years before Napoleon.

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<v Speaker 2>So they didn't call it that. Yeah, he named it

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<v Speaker 2>after himself later.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, right guy, our guy who Gunville is going to

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<v Speaker 5>meet Napoleon later on. But yeah, so this is right,

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<v Speaker 5>before that, and that's the time period, right, This is

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<v Speaker 5>it's not common for even at this time. It's not

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<v Speaker 5>common for naval battles to take place at this range,

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<v Speaker 5>this close to each other, right, because you have so

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<v Speaker 5>many cannons and they just blast each other and everything's

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<v Speaker 5>on fire, the master getting knockoffs, all these people are

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<v Speaker 5>dying left and right. Usually you shoot from a farther

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<v Speaker 5>distance away and try to hope that your guy's aim

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<v Speaker 5>is better than theirs. Right, these cannons are not super accurate,

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<v Speaker 5>they're not rifled boers or anything, so you just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of hope that your guy's going to reskill is a

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<v Speaker 5>little better than their guys going to reskill, and you

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<v Speaker 5>fight from a long ways away until it's time to

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<v Speaker 5>like maybe board them with your marines or whatever. But

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 5>this doesn't This isn't common, and it is an advantage

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.040
<v Speaker 5>actually for the French, who are not as talented at

0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:09.640
<v Speaker 5>at gunnery as the British are. So you get close

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 5>like that you can't miss, and this just lets them

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<v Speaker 5>use their twenty five ships and their seventeen hunder cannons.

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 5>It might not be great strategy, like you said, just

0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:19.400
<v Speaker 5>kind of march at these dudes, but like, we got

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 5>more than they do. They're better shots than us, so

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.960
<v Speaker 5>let's just get as close as possible. And the August

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 5>and Bougainville, they are able to kind of mess up

0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:31.040
<v Speaker 5>the British formation by charging in a really weird way.

0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:32.960
<v Speaker 5>He kind of lone wolves it a little bit and

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 5>disrupts their formation, which is also an advantage to the

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 5>first I mean, it's he pays for it. Him and

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 5>his crews get blasted pretty heavily for this, but it

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 5>is effective now, you know usually, but like you said,

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 5>usually you're looking at somebody through a telescope. You're not

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:52.399
<v Speaker 5>looking the guy in the eye trying to shoot at

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.560
<v Speaker 5>him with a handgun in a naval battle in this

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 5>time period.

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<v Speaker 6>And Boville in his note in his log, he says

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<v Speaker 6>the vanguard was very hotly engaged. The fire was very brisk,

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 6>which is this is a.

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<v Speaker 3>Very that's understating the case just a little bit. Yes, yeah,

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 3>brisk is something you used to refer to like a

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 3>breeze or like, yeah, but I appreciate the word.

0:26:21.320 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, and speaking of breezes and atmospheric phenomenon, we're

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:30.239
<v Speaker 6>talking about this and we're picturing this, and we can

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 6>picture the ship in that ship and the guys who

0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 6>can see each other without telescopes. But sometimes what gets

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 6>lost in uh, the way people tell this is that

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 6>this this naval battle, this Titanic history changing struggle, that's

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 6>deciding the fate of an entire continent. It's happening right

0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:53.520
<v Speaker 6>off the coast of Virginia, Okay. And yet if you

0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:55.480
<v Speaker 6>were on the shore, you couldn't see a single thing.

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:59.959
<v Speaker 6>There is so much smoke, and it becomes a literal

0:27:00.200 --> 0:27:03.439
<v Speaker 6>fog of war. The cannon smoke is so thick, so heavy,

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 6>and so pervasive, like think after a fireworks show, except

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.640
<v Speaker 6>like times, I don't know how many orders of magnitude,

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 6>there's just this wall of gray. You've got thousands of men,

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 6>millions of dollars of pounds or francs or whatever of

0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 6>naval hardware, and you've got the future of the American

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 6>Revolution all just clashing together in this. You know, it's

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:29.880
<v Speaker 6>a hot mess, but it's a hot mess in a

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 6>hidden bubble of violence. And then the people, I mean,

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 6>I don't know if anyone's actually willing to sit on

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 6>the beach in Virginia, but I guess maybe you know,

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.960
<v Speaker 6>what would they know, you know, going down to the

0:27:42.960 --> 0:27:47.400
<v Speaker 6>beach and then you maybe hear a faint, distant rumble

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:50.920
<v Speaker 6>and maybe you guess that maybe there's some naval activity

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 6>going on. I don't know, but you can't see it,

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:56.720
<v Speaker 6>you know, even if you're standing on a pier, you

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 6>would not be able to see it. And that's going

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 6>on for two hours, these two fleets locked in this

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:13.480
<v Speaker 6>brutal blind engagement, and finally one side realizes, hmm, maybe

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:14.480
<v Speaker 6>we're losing the gamble.

0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 5>Yes, So there is this fog of warships are getting separated.

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 5>It becomes this like you know, it starts as this

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 5>big line and whenever you look at like military tactic stuff,

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 5>that's always how they draw it up. But like once

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 5>you kind of get into a frenzy, once they kind

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.000
<v Speaker 5>of get into a brawl like this, it ends up

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 5>like the August is fighting two British ships. They're fighting

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 5>the Ajax and the Terrible. So there's two seventy four

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 5>gun British ships fighting the fighting the seventy four gun

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 5>and August and they're just battling each other and other

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 5>stuff is happening. But like you said, the fog of

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 5>war is so dense. You can't really see outside of it.

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 5>The masts are down on all these ships, so there's

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 5>no sailing anymore. You're barely 're barely rowing. They're shooting

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 5>at whatever they can shoot at. And like you said,

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 5>this is you know, we've got seventeen hundred canons on one side,

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 5>fourteen on the other. We're looking at something like thirty

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 5>three thousand plus cannons firing as fast as they can

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 5>fire multiple like at least I can't remember how far

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 5>off the coast it is, but it's miles off the coast,

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 5>so it's not visible. And you know, maybe that's why

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 5>the story doesn't get talked about as much, because no

0:29:15.680 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 5>Americans were there and they couldn't No Americans could see it.

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 5>So but this battle is like defining the American Revolution.

0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 5>And yes, like you said, you know, when when things

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 5>are starting to look kind of bad, after two hours,

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 5>darkness is starting to fall. You can't fight in darkness,

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 5>and you don't want to because you don't want to

0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 5>accidentally crash into any of these other ships. So darkness

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 5>starts to fall. The British retreat, they've lost almost four

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:44.000
<v Speaker 5>hundred guys. The French have lost two hundred dead and wounded.

0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 5>The Terrible is sinking. It's unable to be repaired, it

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 5>sinks to the bottom of the harbor. Rescue boats terrible.

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 5>It's terrible. Yeah, it's terrible for that boat you've got.

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:58.520
<v Speaker 5>You know one thing that we think of, we don't

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 5>think about too much with big colonial naval battles, is

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 5>you have rescue boats. So there's dudes out in rowboats

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 5>rowing around trying to pick up sailors out of the water.

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 5>You've got guys kind of hanging on and some of

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 5>these sailors can't swim because they're drafted into this service.

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 5>They're not These aren't Some of these guys aren't volunteers.

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 5>They're just impressed into service, so they can't swim. They're

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 5>just holding on to like things that are floating and

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.280
<v Speaker 5>holding on, holding on to wreckage. You've got these guys

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 5>rowing around on boats trying to pull them out. The

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 5>British Admiral Sir Thomas Graves, He's like, I think this

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 5>is it. Like, I don't think I can break through

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 5>this wall here. I don't have the I don't have

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 5>the manpower to do it, and I've taken too many

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 5>hits here and his ships are all just smashed. The

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 5>French tactic was to shoot down the masts of the

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 5>British ships, because that's the thing that you can't really

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 5>repair in the field, and it affects your ability to

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 5>do anything else if you can't if you have no engine. Basically,

0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 5>So the British retreat and dawn breaks at Yorktown. Rochambeau

0:30:56.080 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 5>is there, Washington's there, you had mentioned Alexander Hamilton, He's there.

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 5>Marquis de Lafayat's there, and you know, they do go

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 5>to the beach in Virginia for some reason, and what they.

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 3>See they heard a distant rumbling.

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.360
<v Speaker 5>They heard a distant rumbling in Thunderia. And they come

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 5>back and as they're standing on the pier, they can

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 5>see twenty four French warships returning to the harbor and

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 5>they're like, that's it, we did it. We got them.

0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 5>Like there's this huge cheer goes up down the line

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 5>of the from the soldiers on both sides, and that's it.

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 5>Cornwall's is not going to get out. The French and

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 5>the Americans surround them, they besiege them, they start firing

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:41.120
<v Speaker 5>cannons at them, and October seventeen seventeen eighty one, Cornwall's

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 5>requests a ceasefire. Two days later, he unconditionally surrenders all

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 5>British forces under his command, and with that one signature,

0:31:48.920 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 5>half of the British army in North America becomes prisoners

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 5>of war.

0:31:52.600 --> 0:31:57.400
<v Speaker 3>Wow wow, yeah boy, right, half half.

0:31:57.960 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 5>The war goes on for two more years because the

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 5>guys in New York don't surrender as easily, but they

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 5>don't make any real expeditions out of there, and without

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 5>these troops that Cornwallis has had, like, they can't they

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 5>can't do anything, right, So the United States ends up.

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 5>The war ends officially in seventeen eighty three, and all

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:19.280
<v Speaker 5>of the hard work that was done by the colonials

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 5>over the many many years of this war results in

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 5>a free and independent United States. But it is largely

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 5>due to this The Yorktown Campaign, which gets mentioned all

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 5>the time, is the end of the war, and it's

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 5>not really the end of the war goes on for

0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 5>two more years, but it's very interesting that like like

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 5>oh yeah, roch Bo showed up to he was also there.

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 5>It's like there was also twenty four French warships with

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 5>seventeen hundred cannons, like lasting the British Navy. We should

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 5>probably mention this. I feel like when we talk about.

0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Yorktown, that's true. I just I love the way we're

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 2>portraying it because for a lot of us it will

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 2>it will call to mind the big question about all

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>the people who signed the Declaration of Independence. American school

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 2>kids know some of the top names, but I always

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>love thinking about the other the person who was in

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the room for you know, maybe there was there was

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>a different reason. Maybe they were bringing the snacks in

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and they were like, oh yeah, i'll sign it too, man,

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to be part of the thing this.

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 3>Did you say the snacks or the stacks snacks? Snacks? Okay,

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 3>you have stacks of snacks, potentially.

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:35.120
<v Speaker 2>Stacks of snacks. Just so and there there's another thing

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 2>we we have to mention here in in you all's research.

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure for the of the best way to

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>uh to set this up. I think you all did

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>it perfectly with the title. I did not want to

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:55.240
<v Speaker 2>go to your stupid party anyway. What's that about.

0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 5>Have you guys discussed Banisterear Tarleton yet we did a

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 5>badass on him. One Bannister Tarleton is the guy who

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 5>the bad guy in The Patriot is based off him.

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.280
<v Speaker 5>Bash Tartan was like this twenty year old, like cavalry officer.

0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 5>He's just just the perfect, just bad guy, just everything,

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 5>just burning burning stuff. They called him Butcher Tarleton or

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.040
<v Speaker 5>Bloody band for Bloody Banister or Tarlton. He's like a

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 5>he's an episode by himself. He's just like a he's

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 5>the ultimate villain of the American Revolution and you know,

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 5>just everything you can think of. His parents were like

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.520
<v Speaker 5>so he showed up and he like he claimed to

0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:35.799
<v Speaker 5>have like killed more men and ravished more women than

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:37.799
<v Speaker 5>any other British officer in the war. Like he would

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 5>go around bragging about that after and like he you know,

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 5>he's just this monster of a person. He's burning cities,

0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 5>he's killing prisoners of war. We can't stop him. And

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:50.400
<v Speaker 5>he's recruiting loyalists to like fight for him, which everybody

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 5>hates more than having the actual fight actual British anyway,

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:56.400
<v Speaker 5>we all hate this guy. And when the war ends

0:34:56.800 --> 0:34:59.200
<v Speaker 5>at Yorktown, they have a big this is a very

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.120
<v Speaker 5>this is very a eighteenth century, right, They have this

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 5>big party, so Rochambeau and Washington invite Cornwallace to dinner

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 5>and they have this big dinner for all of the

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 5>American and British and French officers. I can think of

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 5>nothing more eighteenth century. And I don't know, I just

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 5>picture it being chill. I pictured just being like, oh,

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.839
<v Speaker 5>that's a good war. Good war for you, yeah, good

0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 5>war for me.

0:35:21.600 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 2>It's like when we were all playing child sports and

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 2>we had to get in a little line and yeah,

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 2>it's like that, yeah, oh wow, good.

0:35:30.920 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think so. But they didn't invite manister Charlton.

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, of his vibe, right.

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 5>Because he's like yeah, because he was just he was

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 5>just a miserable, awful person and everybody hated him. And

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 5>it doesn't end badly for him either. He goes back,

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.960
<v Speaker 5>he becomes like the superstar. He becomes a member of

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 5>parliament who advocates for the slave trade. He marries like

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:59.920
<v Speaker 5>like the most famous like a stage performer, Starlett in London.

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 5>You know, it's like become super rich. It's just the worst.

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 5>Just he's just the worst. He's the worst in like

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:08.720
<v Speaker 5>sometimes in a funny way, he's.

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:11.440
<v Speaker 3>The worst in a a in a cadre of worst.

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, he's the worst, but he didn't get invited

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 5>to the party.

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.400
<v Speaker 6>And he's ban b A N, not Ben with B

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:18.880
<v Speaker 6>E N.

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Pat, thank you so much that that's important. That's an

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 3>important detail. I think we buried the lead.

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he is a different, different guy, different different first

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 2>name with a b uh. It's also we love the point,

0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 2>guys that the battle of your town is seen as

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:44.719
<v Speaker 2>a climactic, titular event, obviously right, but it is important

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 2>to remember that things continued, as you said, for several years.

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 2>And and one of the facts, no, I don't know

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 2>about you, man, but one of the facts that's going

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>to stick with me here is when you Pat portrayed

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:04.680
<v Speaker 2>the Revolutionary War here in the US as a facet

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:08.760
<v Speaker 2>of a larger World war. Is it fair to call

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 2>that era of conflict the First World War?

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<v Speaker 5>No, because you have the Austrian Succession, you have the

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 5>Seven Years War, you have all kinds of like world

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 5>wars like this is a very European thing because they've

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 5>been you know, this is kind of a continuation of

0:37:23.920 --> 0:37:25.800
<v Speaker 5>the Seven Years War. This one doesn't even get mentioned

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:27.840
<v Speaker 5>that much in some of the other when you're discussing

0:37:27.920 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 5>other you know the secrets of European wars. But yeah,

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.440
<v Speaker 5>this was just a mess. It culminated in that, right,

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<v Speaker 5>because you have all these alliances. Spain is on France's

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 5>side for this war. Spain is with US and France

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 5>against England. But then once that war ends, France and

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 5>Spain are going to go to war with each other.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a mess.

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Talk about a bag of badgers, geez.

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<v Speaker 5>Before we end, though, ben I would like to wrap

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<v Speaker 5>Bougainville because he is an interesting character and he survives

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 5>this battle. He leaves his ship, he loses a lot

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 5>of soldiers, he loses a lot of sailors and marines

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 5>in his battle, but he survives. He sinks one of

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 5>the British wars. He sinks the British Worship. He continues

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 5>on fights in a few other battles in the Caribbean

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:09.879
<v Speaker 5>as part of this series of conflicts. Right, he fights

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 5>in the Battle of the Saints, which is the French

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:14.359
<v Speaker 5>are like, okay, we'll just take Bermuda because we're here,

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:16.640
<v Speaker 5>We'll just attack Bermuda, and he fights in a battle

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 5>there After the war, he goes home. He becomes an

0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.520
<v Speaker 5>instructor at the French Naval Academy. He joins the French

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 5>Academy of Sciences. He's able to not be guillotine during

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 5>the reign of Terror, he lives in this really nice

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 5>est state in the Normandy coast. And then under the

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:37.080
<v Speaker 5>reign of Napoleon, he's made it. He's made a count.

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:38.719
<v Speaker 5>He's like given an order of nobility and becomes a

0:38:38.800 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 5>count and he serves as a senator for a while

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 5>in Napoleon's the government. He dies in eighteen eleven and

0:38:46.239 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 5>he's buried in the Pantheon in Paris, which is like

0:38:48.200 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 5>a huge honor for like the greatest heroes of France,

0:38:51.000 --> 0:38:52.880
<v Speaker 5>every part of him except for his heart, which is

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 5>buried at his old house, which is interesting.

0:38:56.120 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Why I don't know, home is where your heart is.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 3>That's just usually that's just like a crochet, you know,

0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:08.160
<v Speaker 3>blackerd or something like that.

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 6>Not necessarily, sometimes you take it literally.

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 2>So I imagine, so, yes, home is where the heart is.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 2>This is nominalist to us Pat and Ben because this

0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>is ethics aside. This is a story that is larger

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 2>than life. There is more than one badass involved here, right,

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 2>So one of the questions we have to ask you

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 2>all on behalf of our fellow ridiculous historians? Is this,

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:44.799
<v Speaker 2>how do we define a badass? What constitutes badass ery?

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Does it always have to mean a good person?

0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:51.719
<v Speaker 6>Oh? Ben and I've talked about this. Yeah, yeah, it

0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:54.600
<v Speaker 6>doesn't always mean a good person. That's not a requirement,

0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 6>although many badasses are good people or work for the

0:39:58.160 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 6>service of good Yeah.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah.

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 5>So the thing that came up when I was doing

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.839
<v Speaker 5>the first Badass book, I wrote it the whole book, right,

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.120
<v Speaker 5>I've been doing the website for five years, six years.

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 5>I got the book. I'd written all forty chapters for

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:11.400
<v Speaker 5>the book, and my editor was like, you need to

0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 5>do an introduction chapter you defind badass. I'm like, I

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 5>don't know. I don't know what makes all these guys badass?

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 5>What does Leonidas have in common with Genghis Khan? How

0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:22.879
<v Speaker 5>is Joan of arc there? But you know for ratio

0:40:22.920 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 5>of Nelson? Like, how all these guys? What is the thing? Like?

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 2>What's our rubric? Right?

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.600
<v Speaker 5>What's the unifying factor here? And I think what it

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 5>came down to you was your determination and your perseverance

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 5>to accomplish great things?

0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Right?

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 5>These are all people who had a goal that they

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 5>were going after and they worked really really hard to

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 5>get it, and they accomplished it. And sometimes that gold

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:47.880
<v Speaker 5>is criminally insane, but that's I think that still counts, right.

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:51.399
<v Speaker 5>The thing that makes these people inspiring to us is

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:54.800
<v Speaker 5>is that Bougainville was like, I am going to a takeout.

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:58.680
<v Speaker 5>I am a world renowned explorer and international celebrity, but

0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 5>I am I believe in this, and I believe in

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 5>the cause of liberty. And remember that the French fighting

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:06.280
<v Speaker 5>in this battle, they are not They're still a monarchy.

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:08.360
<v Speaker 5>They're not. They're not. This is not they're not flying

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 5>the tricolor flag. This is pre French Revolution. A lot

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 5>of the ideals of the American Revolution will rub off

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 5>onto the French who are here. But this is the

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.080
<v Speaker 5>period of the Enlightenment in France. They are still trying

0:41:19.080 --> 0:41:22.360
<v Speaker 5>to reconcile. Let's be free thinkers and think for ourselves

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.360
<v Speaker 5>and have all this interesting ideas. Let's try to reconcile

0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 5>that with there's also a monarchy, and God tells us

0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:28.759
<v Speaker 5>that we have to do these things because this guy

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 5>tells us we have to do them well.

0:41:30.280 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 3>And also, I mean, the the Enlightenment seems like it

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 3>would inherently kind of clash with the idea of warfare

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:41.680
<v Speaker 3>and killing other humans, very enlightened behavior exactly exactly.

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 5>But these guys get out there and they're like, well,

0:41:43.440 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 5>I gotta, you know, you gotta break some eggs, and

0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 5>they're they're like, we gotta you know, he believes in this.

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 5>He's like, I gotta get out here. I'm gonna fight

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 5>for These guys are fighting for like freedom and and

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, their own self determination all this stuff. And

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 5>so he's he's a true believer and he goes and

0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 5>he's like, I'm going to fight for it. I don't

0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:59.120
<v Speaker 5>care that like I'm a celebrity or whatever. I don't

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.320
<v Speaker 5>care that this is the most dangerous position on the fleet.

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 5>I am going to go after this. I'm going to

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 5>fight these guys and I'm going to win, and I'm

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 5>gonna win help help you know, America win its independence.

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:10.720
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to fight these British who I've been fighting

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:14.839
<v Speaker 5>my whole life. And there's something inspiring about these people

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 5>who who you know, get out there and do these

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 5>things right. They kind of inspire us to you know,

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:23.359
<v Speaker 5>I'm not badass in my actual life, but you know,

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:24.879
<v Speaker 5>there are days where I feel like I don't want

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:26.480
<v Speaker 5>to answer my emails, and then I try to think

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:30.560
<v Speaker 5>about Ville charging seventeen British warships, and I'm like, maybe

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 5>I'll answer my emails this morning.

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>So you know, it might be badass to dodge an email,

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 2>you know what?

0:42:37.640 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 3>I Yeah, you rebel.

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're lead. You're the tip of the spear on

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:44.680
<v Speaker 2>that one. Right.

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.840
<v Speaker 5>I handed my emails the way he handled the Terrible

0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:52.799
<v Speaker 5>and the AJAX. Just delete, just demolish my eail read

0:42:53.000 --> 0:43:01.520
<v Speaker 5>delete doctor's office. What do they want? Delete exactly?

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Spam? Likely not with me. It's a joke earlier about uh, nol.

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>I think we were talking off air about some phone calls, right,

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, and we also again, folks, Noel, Max and

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I are not blowing smoke. We're not blowing rainbows or

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>trumpets and angel farts here. Badass of the Week is

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 2>one of our favorite favorite explorations of exactly what we

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:36.160
<v Speaker 2>are hanging out with today and indeed the entirety of

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:40.319
<v Speaker 2>this week. Pat, thank you so much for coming and

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 2>hanging out with us, Benans.

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:42.640
<v Speaker 6>For having me.

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Ben, you know, Nolan, I have to

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>do the check in. Pat, are you okay with this

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Ben Thompson guy. Is he all right?

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he's all right.

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 3>He seems pretty cool to me. Cool and thanks for

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 3>coming back then, just to check it.

0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:07.520
<v Speaker 5>If you want to exit the.

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Podcast, well, thanks as always to our super producer, mister

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Max Williams. We usually have a long run of credits.

0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>We're going to save you guys some time here except

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 2>for one thing. We have to recommend a good friend

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:26.960
<v Speaker 2>of the show that you all should hang out with

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't already. His name is A. J. Jacobs.

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 5>Oh, we had him on our show. He's awesome. Yeah.

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we call him Bahamas for you can never ask

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 2>him why not sure either, I don't know.

0:44:39.640 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 3>He's a good guy that makes perfect sense. I got

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 3>to check out that episode.

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we had a great episode with him. I was

0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 5>doing for a while. I was doing the drink of

0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:49.960
<v Speaker 5>the show, where every show I would have some kind

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 5>of beverage that was related to whatever we were talking about.

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Then we were doing history.

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we were doing a Mongolian Pat had brought some

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:04.839
<v Speaker 5>Mongolian in mythology the Jingar Epic, and those guys all

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 5>drink fermented Mare's milk.

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh in the story. Yeah, oh, good.

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 5>So I ordered fermented Mayor's milk from Mongolia.

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:17.320
<v Speaker 6>I did not make him do this. This is own initiative.

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 5>It's boozy. Yeah, it's it's fermented, so it's it's alcohol.

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 5>It's like a it's you know, it's like a wine

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 5>level of alcohol.

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:25.399
<v Speaker 6>What'd you take?

0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Did you all enjoy it?

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 5>I drank it. We don't, you know, we live in

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.239
<v Speaker 5>different cities, so I just did it over zoom and

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.760
<v Speaker 5>yeah it was. It was really not good.

0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.720
<v Speaker 2>It was yeah, I don't know. I got that seven

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 2>League stare first.

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but that was the show AJ was on. I

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.760
<v Speaker 5>drank it and it was. It tasted like hay and

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 5>uh and that was the end of the drink of

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 5>the show. We never did it again.

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:50.399
<v Speaker 6>It was that bad.

0:45:51.440 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 3>Hey is indeed for horses and good good on you

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 3>for taking one for the team.

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think that episode is like eighty percent of

0:45:58.000 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 5>that episode is just me gagging.

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Ilad you made it well.

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 3>Note to self on alcoholic beverages, never to try. But

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:09.920
<v Speaker 3>thanks again y'all for coming and we will see you

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