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In the video, 28 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: he's wiping his face over and over again. The daycare worker, 29 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: you see her walk over to him and tell him, 30 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: you know you're fineing and like pat him on the 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: back and then walk and start another fight with other kids. 32 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: When we chose a new daycare for him and he 33 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: started going, he asked me in the car if they 34 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: were going to make him fight my stars. Just hearing 35 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 1: that mother is making me tear up. If I were 36 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: to find out that my children were forced to fight 37 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: each other on video just so the daycare workers or 38 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: the teachers who were bored and had nothing else to do, 39 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: what were they taking bits? I'm talking about a bona 40 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: fide taught fight, a fight club at daycare on video, 41 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: with board office workers taking bets, forcing the children back 42 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: in the ring, the crying taughts who didn't want to 43 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: fight each other. I can't even believe I'm saying these 44 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: words made they all rot in hell. Okay, that's for 45 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: having to decide. I'm going to help decide what happens 46 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: to them here on Earth and court I Nancy Grace, 47 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 48 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: I am so mad I could chew a nail in half. 49 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: Joining me right now. Syndicated talk show host Dave Mack, 50 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: New York psychologist, Karen Stark, founder of child crime watch 51 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: dot com, child judge and lawyer Ashley Wilcott, Vincent Hill, 52 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: author and founder of a podcast, Fall of a Titan, 53 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: and Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina, specializes in family law. Dave Mack, 54 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: you know what, hold me back? All right, hold me back. 55 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: What happened? It was a six year old child, his 56 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: little brother was being forced by these two daycare workers 57 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: to put on the incredible hulk hands and do battle 58 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: in a fight club that was all about daycare kids. 59 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: So you've got the taught fight club. And the only 60 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: reason we know about it is because an older brother 61 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: could not believe his younger brother was being forced to 62 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: hit his best friend at this daycare because the workers 63 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: were bored. Guys, we're talking about a fight club taking 64 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: place at the Adventure Learning Center in St. Louis. Nicole 65 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: Marcile's four year old taught was one of the toddlers 66 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: forced to fight. Her ten year old filmed some of 67 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: the finding and sent his mommy the video. I can't 68 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: I can't take in what's really happening here. The video 69 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: is so upsetting. A horrified Missouri mom now on the 70 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: rampage and do you blame her? Ashley Wilcop, juvenile judge 71 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: and lawyer, founder of Child crime watch dot com. What 72 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: is your understanding of what happened? These daycare workers actually 73 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: did that? Put them in the ring, made them right? 74 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: And you see kids probably not wanting to fight, not 75 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: understanding what's going on, fighting their best friends, and they 76 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,559 Speaker 1: were made to do it. What's going on as a crime? 77 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: Child endangerment at a minimum? You know, I am thinking 78 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: about raising the children. And a lot of you guys 79 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: joining me right now have been with me from the 80 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: get go. When I announced on Live TV that I 81 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: was pregnant and think Blue and Pete. I think I'm 82 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: gonna cry just saying it. When I announced I was 83 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: having a boy and a girl. Karen Stark, I think 84 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: you were actually with me that night on the set 85 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: in Manhattan, and um, I'm just getting child bumps remembering it. 86 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: And to think, you know, children come into the world innocent. 87 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm convinced a lot of people think children come into 88 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: the world either mean or bad or naughty. I disagree. 89 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: They are not only a you know, they're not only 90 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: created by nature, but they are nurtured to grow up 91 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: a certain way. It's hard for me to take in 92 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: that little taughts as young as four are trained to 93 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: go into a fight ring and fight each other, actually 94 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: exchange blows even though they're crying and begging to stop. Karen, 95 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: It's abusive, Nancy, There's no doubt about it. This is abuse. 96 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: And I've heard stories like this where parents have actually 97 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: put boxing gloves on their kids and made them fight 98 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: the parent or each other. And you know that that 99 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: is not what you find in a typical family and 100 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: has a traumatic, lasting effect on the kids. I am 101 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 1: so glad that this mother is coming forth and doing 102 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 1: something about it, and have no idea how a daycare 103 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: could allow something like that to happen. You know, if 104 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: the ten year old brother uh not filmed the fight 105 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: club which was taking place there at Adventure Learning center 106 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: on his iPad. We would never know about it because 107 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: children this young. Oh my stars, I'm looking at it 108 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: right now. Good Lord in heaven. You can see this 109 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. It's like it's like a 110 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: cot fight where you have people all standing around. Oh 111 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: my stars, I'm seeing the teacher standing by in her 112 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: ug boots, cheering, cheering and oh my oh wait wait 113 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: what Dave, Matt everybody, I hope you're looking at this 114 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: right now. The video, the teacher is telling and gesticulating 115 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: for the little boy to start kicking the kid that's down. 116 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: She's jumping up like in Glee. The teacher and cheering 117 00:07:55,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: and doing kicking motions like a coach Wood from the sideline. 118 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer helped me out. This 119 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: lady needs to go to jail. Nancy, this is the 120 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: worst scenario as a mom and as a grandmother that 121 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: this person now works at the child care center where 122 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: my child is because she has a clean record. Because 123 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: nobody with the state of Missouri has held her accountable. 124 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: Neither one of those teachers have faced prosecution. That is 125 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: unacceptable because now they will be in a scenario where 126 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: they're gonna do the same type of neglectful, abusive behavior again, 127 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: and my child could be heard. Get him out. One 128 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: of these clips shows a teacher jumping up and down 129 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: in glee. I can only describe it as glee as 130 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: another teacher puts a hulk smash hand there, their gloves 131 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: like the hulk cast looks like his hands on the 132 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: toddler's in and then they start throwing punches into the face, 133 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: even one kid pounding the tot's head into the floor 134 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: over and over and over, as the other children gather around, 135 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: just watching and the teacher is cheering. Only one person 136 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: tries to break up the fight, and it's not a teacher. 137 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: It's another preschooler who runs in and tries to pull 138 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: the one kid off the other one. These are taughts, taughts, 139 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: but they're fighting, and the teacher's right there egging them on, 140 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: telling him to kick the guy who's down. The little 141 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: boy can't break up the fight. The only person trying 142 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: to break up the fight is another taught. It doesn't 143 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: even look real to me. Vincent Hill, where do you 144 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: start in trying to investigate everybody? Vincent Hill with me, 145 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: Cop turned p I, author of playbook to a murder 146 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: on the Amazon and creator of a new podcast, Fall 147 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: of a Titan, Vincent. Hell, how do you even begin 148 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: investigating a case like this because none of your witnesses 149 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: can really verbalize what happened. Well, I think the proof 150 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: is in the video, Nancy, and actually alluded to it earlier. 151 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: Child engagement, But I would actually charge them also with 152 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: child exploitation because one of the elements of that is 153 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: an activity that the child is forced to take part 154 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: in that could cause emotional, physical, or social problems. And 155 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: I think all three of those were called by what 156 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: we saw. And what's sickening about this, Nancy, is those 157 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: teachers recorded this on their cell phones for whatever use. 158 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: So I would charge them to the highest extent of 159 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: talent exploitation. No, I'm thinking about the teacher standing around, 160 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: standing around, watching all of this happen. Two Karen Stark, 161 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan today. What is 162 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: that thinking of a teacher standing by and letting this happen. 163 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: They're getting vicarious drills, Nancy. It's projections of their own 164 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: desire to be able to partake in an experience like that, 165 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: and they're not seeing kids as kids. They're seeing them 166 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: as something that they can manipulate and handle, and no 167 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: one is thinking, as Vincent just said, about the future 168 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: of these kids, how they will go and recover from 169 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: an experience like this. They're going to be scarred for 170 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: life because they were part of this kind of a situation. 171 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: It really is statistic. Vincent. We were talking about the 172 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: video earlier. It was one of the brothers that actually 173 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: videoed it. He was so distraught seeing his teacher standing 174 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: on the sidelines yelling and screaming. And you gotta look 175 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: at this, guys, go to crime online dot com and 176 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: see this video. Uh, it's upsetting, that's true, But you've 177 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: got to see this teacher actually gesticulating to the little 178 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: boys fighting to um kick him, kick him, kick him. 179 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: I want you to hear the mom, Lisamer Sale. She's 180 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: talking to kt v I about her son in the video. 181 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: No one's being held accountable. And if I'm not a 182 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: voice for my children, who will be. I don't know 183 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: any parents they could watch their children go through this 184 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: and not be upset. In the video, he's wiping his 185 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: face over and over again. The daycare worker, you see 186 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: her walk over to him and tell him you know 187 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: you're fine, and like pat him on the back and 188 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: then walk and start another fight with other kids. When 189 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: we chose a new daycare for him and he started going, 190 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: he asked me in the car, if they were going 191 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: to make him fight, we will see someone. Oh my god, 192 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: oh oh. He doesn't understand why his friends for fighting him, 193 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: Why he got beat up by his best friends. And 194 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: it was on his fourth birthday. The daycare workers were 195 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: making them fight, not helping them. You first heard raw 196 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: audio a video a little boy took of the so 197 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: called Talk Fight Club as it was happening. He was 198 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: so distraught to see his little brother getting beat up. 199 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: He recorded it with his iPad he had at school. 200 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the teacher standing around egging it on, laughing, cheering, 201 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: gesticulating for the little boy to kick the guy that 202 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: was down on the floor. And this kid videos and 203 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: you just heard that, followed by the mom speaking to 204 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: kt V, I TV and St. Louis describing what happened 205 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: and just I'm just so distraught. Right now, back to 206 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: Dave Max syndicated talk shows. Let's start at the beginning. 207 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: Tell me about the daycare center. It's one of those 208 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: traditional daycare centers, Nancy, but they had apparently according to 209 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: one of these women who was accused, and I don't 210 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: understand why they haven't been prosecuted, but you know, they 211 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: have the laundry list of children in various age groups 212 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: from ChIL babies all the way up until right before 213 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: they start public school. And one of these daycare workers 214 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: gave two different accounts of why she was doing it. Apparently, Nancy, 215 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: they actually cleared out a downstairs room to take the 216 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: children out of their normal play areas and took them 217 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: down to this other room to actually stage the fighting. 218 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: Because when she said that, they moved him down there 219 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: because there was a heating problem or an air problem, 220 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: and yet they actually had a separate room for this 221 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: taught fight club. And then of course she gave the 222 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: excuse that, well, they ran out of things to do, 223 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: that's why they were fighting. But this was an everyday thing. 224 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: This was really you know, the only reason we only 225 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: heard about it from a ten year old taking a 226 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: video is because you know the rules of fight clubs. 227 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: You don't talk about fight clubs, and apparently if you're 228 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: three or four, you're not allowed to think about it. 229 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: You're just having to do what an adult tells you 230 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: to do. It's despicable. Why are these people not in jail? Yeah, 231 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: I I don't get that at all. Another thing is 232 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: this mom who is speaking out Lisamercial. She said that, uh, 233 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: her other son video diet of his younger brother, just four, 234 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: who was just crying and couldn't stop because he had 235 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: already been in three fights. Three fights. You know, I 236 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't understand Ashley Wilcott. You're the juvenile judge and lawyer, 237 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: You're the founder of child crime watch dot com. What 238 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: where are the criminal charges on this woman? I cannot 239 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: understand it either, Nancy. There's absolutely no reason in the 240 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: world I can think of think about this. Do you 241 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: remember the professional football player who was engaged in dog 242 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: fight who went to jail as a result. Oh yeah, 243 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: Michael Vick. Michael Vick, right, And so this is it's 244 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: just even worse. But it's the same in terms of 245 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: innocent beings, innocent children being made to fight. Why in 246 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: the world they are not facing conviction and facing criminal 247 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: charges and spending time in jail is absolutely beyond me. 248 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: There's no fathomable reason, especially when, as Vincent Hill said, 249 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: you actually have videotape of them doing this crime. Well, 250 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. Catch this. I hope you're all 251 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: sitting down. This place actually has video recorders, surveillance video, 252 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: and the daycare surveillance video cameras recorded at least thirty 253 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: minutes of the fight club, the fight club Top Fight, 254 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: I mean thirty minutes, and they're still not bringing charges. 255 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, you gotta help me out here. Where are 256 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: the criminal charges? I agree with Ashley Wilcott, I am livid, 257 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: But you know the biggest problem is are these two 258 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: women still in two thousand eighteen taking care of little children? 259 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: And if I was the parent and they were taking 260 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: care of my children and I didn't know this because 261 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: they failed to prosecute these individuals, I would want answers. 262 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: It is unfathomable that they have not been profitable. Well, 263 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: this is clearly a case of child abuse. Ashley Willcott, 264 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: the lead teacher, actually gave a statement reportedly stating that 265 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: the teachers organized the top fight to try and quote 266 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: entertain the children after the heater break. What happened to 267 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: finger painting? What about that? Has anybody thought of that? 268 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,120 Speaker 1: Or the little game where you sit in a circle 269 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: and you play telephone and you pass the word by 270 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: whisper all the way around and see how it turns 271 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: out in the end. Or duck duck, goose goose. I 272 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,719 Speaker 1: mean about that, right, So child abuse includes as a definition, 273 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: without excuse me, proper supervision or control, which is the 274 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: case here. It is not only improper lack of supervision. 275 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 1: It's making the kids do this. It doesn't make any sense. 276 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: There's so many things that daycare is set up to 277 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: do for children and the good day cares. Why in 278 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: the world would they have these children engage in this activity. 279 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: It's beyond sickening to me. It makes me so absolutely 280 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: livid angry because the other thing that does is create 281 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: children who can become adults who believe that senseless violence 282 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: is the answer. And that's bad. You know. I'm all 283 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: about not having them grow up as adults that think 284 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: violence is okay. What I want right now I want 285 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: these women behind bars. I want them behind bars. Now 286 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: listen to this. I know you were sitting down earlier. 287 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: You maybe shouldn't lay down for this one. The St. 288 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Louis Circuit Attorney's office declined to prosecute the day here. 289 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: It's still an operation today. Quote there was insufficient evidence 290 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any laws were violated. 291 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: That is an official statement from the St. Louis Circuit 292 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Attorney's office. I've never been so embarrassed by prosecutions in 293 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: my life, except the embarrassment of the du Lacrosse fiasco. 294 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: This is so wrong for them not to prosecute when 295 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: adults in charge of children not only do nothing but 296 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: actively organize taught fights, it's over whelming. 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The director immediately fired both teachers and called 338 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: the child abuse hotline. The St. Louis Circuit Attorney's office 339 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 1: declined to prosecute those State regulators substantiated the complaint. Adventure 340 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: Learning Center continued operating normally, but with increased inspections. Eight 341 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: visits since Document twenty six wide ranging violations, though none 342 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: exactly like the fight club incident. What no prosecution. After 343 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: the teachers arranged for tats little children to fight over 344 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: and over and over again after clearing out a downstairs room, 345 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: egging them on, the children crying as the teacher stands by, 346 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: I can only describe as giddy, cheering them on, making 347 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: them kick each other. I mean, it goes on and 348 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: on until one older brother gets the iPad he brings 349 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: to school with him, to daycare with him, in videos 350 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: and texts it to his mom. Now's the only way 351 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: this was ever discovered. But for some reason, authorities there 352 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: in St. Louis are doing nothing. What do you mean 353 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: insufficient evidence? It's on video, not just the kids video, 354 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: but the daycare. Surveillance caught at least thirty minutes of 355 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: Top Fight. Inspections and the daycare were increased. So what 356 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: so what when an adult commits the crime, you don't 357 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: just lose your job. You go to jail. You go 358 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: to jail. A four year old has claimed one of 359 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: the teachers uh cursed at him, grabbed him, pushed him 360 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: to the ground. One daycare giver was seen grabbing a 361 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: three year old child by the arm and dragging them 362 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 1: across the floor. And during this incident the Top Fight, 363 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: the daycare director had been standing in the classroom. Now, 364 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that was during the video or 365 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: during the dragging episodes. I can tell you right now, 366 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: not enough has been done following the fight club, and 367 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: the little boy still doesn't understand that fighting. Being forced 368 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: to fight at daycare is not normal. Um, I still 369 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: don't understand why charges are not being filed. I want 370 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: to go out to Karen start New York psychologists joining us. 371 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: What about it, Karen, how what kind of impact are 372 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: these children going to have? Well, not only will it 373 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: has a lasting impact on them, Nancy, and they will 374 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: feel like they did something wrong because kids don't understand 375 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: that they are not responsible for a situation like this, 376 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: and they internalize all of it. But when they get 377 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: to be adults, I sound with my own patients that 378 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: very often they believe that it's normal. They have a 379 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: memory of fighting with the sibling, having a parent push 380 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: them on and encourage them, and they don't understand how 381 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: much it's really affected them until they start reliving it again. 382 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: To Ascot, what do you think? I absolutely agree with 383 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: that and the other And so the trauma they have endured, 384 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get some type of treatment or 385 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: people who are caring and understand how to treat it 386 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: to deal with it, so they understand those things that 387 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: Karen just described, Nancy. The other thing I want to 388 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: say about this is let's talk about the prevention piece 389 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: that's so important. How and parents prevent this from happening 390 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: because you think you pick a daycare and they're gonna 391 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 1: take care of your children and love your children, and 392 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: you can write things with your children, and then you 393 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: find out from a siblings video, oh my god, look 394 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: what these these teachers did to my kids. And I 395 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: think that's why it's important obviously to make sure you 396 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: investigate any type of facility that you put your children in. 397 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: And also it's the reason why now a lot of 398 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: daycares offer the surveillance is what I would call it, 399 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: so that you can actually go on your computer and 400 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: see what your children are doing at all times of 401 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: the day. If you want your voice to be heard, 402 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: contact the St. Louis Circuit attorney. The St. Louis Circuit 403 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: Attorney is Kim Gardner g A R D N E R. 404 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: And her phone number is three one four six two 405 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: two four nine for one. Repeat three one four six 406 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: two two four nine for one, because I'd like to 407 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: find out why isn't she doing anything about this? And 408 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: I want to go back, Uh, Vincent Hill, I'm sure. 409 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you're the sports guy with us playbook to 410 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: a murder book podcast Fall of a Titan. I covered 411 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: Michael Vis Animal Cruelty trial live when it happened. Okay, 412 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: he went to jail and forfeited an NFL career over 413 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: having dog fights. These are children, Vincent, and nothing is 414 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: happening with surveillance video. Vincent helped me, Nancy, I wish 415 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: I could, but I'm the fuddled as well, not only 416 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: as a police officer, but as a parent. I think 417 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: my justice initially would be, Oh, you want to fight, 418 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: I'll show you a fight. But you know, we have 419 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: to go with the law. And I don't understand why 420 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: the prosecutors did not prosecute on this, Nancy, to thank 421 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: everyone on this panel to be funneled why that didn't happen, 422 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: because everything you need for that prosecution is there in 423 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: that video that brother took of the fight. I mean, guys, 424 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: a lot of us have children on this panel. Can 425 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: you imagine. I mean, my son John David. He's a lover, 426 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: not a fighter at all. And um, I don't know 427 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: if this is wrong or right, but he had a 428 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: bully at school that tormented him for two years. One 429 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: time even punched him in the stomach. Um, that was 430 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: the day, Mommy, let all hell break loose. In the 431 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: carpool pickup line. Yeah, and you know what, I'm proud 432 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: of that moment. For the previous two years, it had 433 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: been subtle bullying, like tripping him as he walked by, 434 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: nudging him, pushing him, climbing it was an accident, knocking 435 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: him down during soccer, claiming that was an accident. Um. 436 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: When I finally did meet with the authorities at the school, 437 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: guess what, there were twenty one other children represented that 438 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: had also been bullied. Yeah, and I mean punched, kicked, 439 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: pushed down, the works ugly things said to little girls 440 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: by the boy bully. The girl bullies are a lot 441 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: more subtle with just their words, but with physical violence. 442 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: There absolutely is something parents can do. There is, and 443 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: it was done. And I had no idea. Other parents 444 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: were suffering in silence when their children were afraid, didn't 445 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: want the mom or the dad to speak out. It 446 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: happens all the time. What's so heartbreaking here is that 447 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: the teachers were actually involved. So let me go to you, 448 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy. If this were prosecuted, you're the North Carolina 449 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: family lawyer. What would the charges be, Kathleen. I couldn't 450 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: put enough charges on these people, Nancy, And my personal 451 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: story is making my reaction to the story. This much 452 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: of this this important. My son was bullied in fifth 453 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: grade by his teacher. In fifth grade, the teacher was 454 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: telling the boys that they were going to get their 455 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: butts kicked in middle school, that they were losers, and 456 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: it went on and audi it was profanity in the classroom. 457 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: We all complained. My son is now in seventh grade 458 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: and I see the effects today very day. Today is 459 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: his first therapy appointment because of what that teacher did 460 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: to my son. So when Ashley said these people parents 461 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: need to make sure that they that the daycare, how 462 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: are we able to vet the daycare when the teachers 463 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: do not have the criminal record that they so richly deserved, 464 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: You know what, You're right, How can they alan Duke? 465 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: If you don't know about the teacher's history or even 466 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: their work history where they've been fired, how can you 467 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: evaluate the daycare center or the babysitter. Yeah, and if 468 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: they choose not to prosecute or or discipline in some way, 469 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: or if there's a license that could be revoked, you 470 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: never know. And they keep repeating and repeating and repeating, 471 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: and there's absolutely no tracking to that. So that's disturbing. 472 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: Now I've got a four year old grandson, and I 473 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: just could not imagine finding out this happened. My biggest 474 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: challenge when they're with me is to keep my four 475 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: and five year old from hitting each other. No John 476 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: David and Lucy was specifically my sweet little shy Lucy. 477 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,239 Speaker 1: She would sit there so sweetly. I remember I was 478 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: doing a show at h l N one night, and 479 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: of course I had a nanny cam on watching them 480 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: and Lucy and if my husband was sitting there asleep 481 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: in his chair, Thanks David and Lucy, they were both 482 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: sitting there in their little pretend sofas with Dora and 483 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: Lightning and Queen on them, and they were watching I 484 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: don't know, um, not Dora, but oh the Crats, the 485 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: wild Crats, the two comic brothers that discover animals in 486 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: the wild. And uh, all of a sudden, I see 487 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: Lucy sneak up behind John David and hit him in 488 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: the head with a block, a wooden block, and of 489 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: course all h E double l breaks loose. I nearly 490 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: had a fit. So you know, since those top days, 491 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: they really don't hit too much anymore, but at the 492 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: time it was all I could do to just keep 493 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: them apart. They were like two wild animals. This is 494 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: not helping these children go up. Now, that's a whole 495 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: child development issue. I'm not a shrink. I'm a prosecutor. 496 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm a trial lawyer, and I'm telling you these women 497 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 1: need to go to jail. It with child endanger meant misdemeanor. 498 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: In that jurisdiction, it goes up to twelve months felonies 499 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: one to ten years. What about it? What's wrong? Why 500 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: isn't that happening? Dave Mack. According to the prosecutors, they 501 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: just had insufficient evidence to prosecute this case. But I 502 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: gotta add one last thing. The idea of Nancy Grace 503 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: throwing a fit in uh in a line at school 504 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: cracks me up. That kind of owns me. Gotta be 505 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: honest with you, I oh yeah, that that moment. It 506 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: still makes me so upset and angry because, like I 507 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: was saying, John David, he's a lover, not a fighter, 508 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: and he just really didn't even know how to react 509 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: when he got punched in the stomach on the playground. Um, 510 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: I'd rather somebody do it to me than do it 511 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: to my children. I'm I'm all for this mom suing 512 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: Dave Mac joining me, syndicated talk show host, tell me 513 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: about the mom sue since the city, since a circuit attorney, 514 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: won't do anything, the mom is suing, But I I 515 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: was going to ask you about this because she's only 516 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: suing for twenty five dollars and it's going to be 517 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: a civil case, I guess. But dollars doesn't seem like 518 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: much considering the fact that she has been failed. She's 519 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,839 Speaker 1: a mom who had her kill kids in daycare and 520 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: finds out that she her children, both of them. The 521 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: ten year old is upset because he had a video 522 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: tape his own little brother getting beat up. And you've 523 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: got the other one that's now concerned about what kind 524 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 1: of trust issues he's going to have with his friends 525 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: because it was his best friend that was counting him 526 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: with the whole cans. So the mom is suing for dollars, 527 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: but I gotta that just doesn't sound like nearly enough. 528 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: On top of the lack of criminal charges. In the video, 529 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 1: he's wiping his face over and over again. The daycare worker, 530 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: you see her walk over to him and tell him 531 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: you know you're fine, and like pat him on the 532 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: back back and then walk and start another fight. With 533 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: other kids. When we chose a new daycare for him 534 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: and he started going, he asked me in the car 535 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 1: if they were going to make him fight, we will 536 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: see Oh my god, you know the way he said, 537 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: everybody he puts her in the face, they're fighting. He 538 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: wouldn't have had his iPad on him that day. Who 539 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: knows if if we even would have found out about this. 540 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: The state really just gave him a slap on the hand. 541 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: In the video, he's wiping his face over and over again. 542 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: The daycare worker, you see her walk over to him 543 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: and tell him, you know you're fine, and like pat 544 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: him on the back and then walk and start another 545 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: fight with other kids. When we chose a new daycare 546 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: for him and he started going, he asked me in 547 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: the car if they were going to make him fight. 548 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody, I means grace. This is Crime Stories. 549 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You just heard mom 550 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: Lisa Marcill telling k t V I t V that 551 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: her son's face is clearly visible in the video. And 552 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: it is. It is visible in the video. I'm looking 553 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,919 Speaker 1: at it right now at crime online dot com. And 554 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: I don't understand how the circuit attorney Kim Gardner is 555 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,800 Speaker 1: claiming she doesn't have enough evidence to prosecute this case 556 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: because Vincent Hill, Uh cop turn p. I I can 557 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: see the kid very clearly who he is, and I 558 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: can also identify the teacher or standing on the sideline 559 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: egging him on, telling him to kick kick the little boy. 560 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: Several teachers you can see them, and daycare workers you 561 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: can see their faces very clearly. Vincent. Yeah, Nancy, I 562 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: don't know what evidence she's looking for unless you know 563 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: she's looking for statements from the witnesses. But the witnesses 564 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: are miners, they're toddlers, so they can't even and testify 565 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: in court anyway. So I don't know what's going on here, Nancy. Again, 566 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm befuddled. So what could we do now, Ashley Wilcott, 567 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: if we wanted to push this forward in a criminal charge, Well, listen, 568 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: First of all, it shows like yours, Nancy, so you 569 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: can put a spotlight when there's a failure of our 570 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: justice system. The second thing is, I'm so proud of 571 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: this mother for doing a civil suit because it's needed 572 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: in this case with a criminal justice system has failed 573 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: her and isn't pursuing charges. The third is people need 574 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: to call into that district attorney's office because there are 575 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,400 Speaker 1: charges they could press. I do not agree. I cannot 576 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: believe there's insufficient evidence to prosecute in this particular case. 577 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 1: What it says to you, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, 578 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: is that it results in imminent risk or harm to 579 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: a child's health and welfare due to physical, emotional, or 580 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: sexual abuse. Now, if this does not affect the child's welfare, 581 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: I don't know what does. It absolutely affects the child's welfare, 582 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: and I would love it if you would say the 583 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: name of the prosecutor and her phone number again, sure 584 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: as Kim Gardner G A R D N E R 585 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: phone number three one four six two two four nine 586 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: four one repeat three one four six two two four 587 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: nine four one. The statute of limitations has not run 588 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: in this case. To our understanding, this case can still 589 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: be prosecuted. Let your voice be heard when you hear 590 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: this story. Think about substituting your child in this scenario. 591 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: Your child, your niece, your daughter, or your son, your grandchild, 592 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: just four years old, being forced to go back in 593 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 1: the ring after three consecutive fights, the teacher pushing him 594 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: back in. The child down on the floor on his back, crying, 595 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 1: crying as is beaten by another student at the direction 596 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:10,840 Speaker 1: of the teacher. Tap fight has to stop. These women 597 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: need to be behind bars so they can't hurt any 598 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: more children. Nancy Grace's crime Story signing off Goodbye friend,