Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Rams's Jah. They call me q Ward and that just
Speaker 1: so happens to be a variation of my actual name.
Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, back up in you one more in to
Speaker 2: do what we do best, that is to inform, to discuss,
Speaker 2: to provide a lens into Black America, the experience of
Speaker 2: being black in America, and to hopefully create more empowered
Speaker 2: allies and uh empowered black folks, inform, etc.
Speaker 1: Have you said that like that before? Maybe we're here
Speaker 1: to inform because I like that. Yeah, We're not here
Speaker 1: to give you an opinion, We're not here to make
Speaker 1: you share ours. Just here to give you information and
Speaker 1: you can do with that what you please, hopefully is
Speaker 1: the right thing. Right on and a great show for
Speaker 1: you today we have lined up great take that grain
Speaker 1: of salt. But but we do have some things to
Speaker 1: talk about. Informative, Yes, informative show.
Speaker 2: We definitely want to spend some time talking about critical
Speaker 2: race theory that's been in the news a lot lately
Speaker 2: and it took me a while to become informed on
Speaker 2: what it is and the implications of it. And hopefully
Speaker 2: we'll be able to share some of what we know today.
Speaker 1: We all learn something today, yes indeed.
Speaker 2: And then we also want to talk about a little
Speaker 2: bit more about the way policing is gone to black
Speaker 2: and brown bodies, which is a staple on this show.
Speaker 2: Here this time, we're going to spend some time discussing
Speaker 2: some events that took place in Maryland. We also are
Speaker 2: going to talk about our ebony excellence. We're going to
Speaker 2: throw to Motown twenty five and then our way Black
Speaker 2: History fact has to do with June teenth, because this
Speaker 2: is that weekend.
Speaker 1: So strap in, we got a great show for you,
Speaker 1: and I think that we should probably start off Q
Speaker 1: with some ebony excellent. That's how you build about that.
Speaker 1: We're going to start there, we word place to start.
Speaker 1: All I do is win, win, wind, no matter what. Okay.
Speaker 1: So my origins as a DJ are rooted in two separate,
Speaker 1: I guess moments in my life, and those those moments
Speaker 1: are a long ways away from each other. One of
Speaker 1: those I was two years old. My grandmother's first gift
Speaker 1: to me was a vinyl pressed copy of Michael Jackson's
Speaker 1: Off the Wall Nice. That was the start of my
Speaker 1: love for music, long before being a DJ was even
Speaker 1: something I'd ever even considered. And then you know, fast
Speaker 1: forward twenty something years. I met this really handsome dude
Speaker 1: with an afro in Phoenix, and this guy was brilliant
Speaker 1: in and eventually became my brother now co host of
Speaker 1: the One and Only Civic Cipher. Yes, indeed, I gener
Speaker 1: mean by the name of Ramses jobs. Me thought that
Speaker 1: djang might be something I should try, so he introduced
Speaker 1: me to it. But I go back to that off
Speaker 1: the Wall album my grandmother gave me because the first
Speaker 1: memory of my life was a celebratory evening in music,
Speaker 1: and being from Detroit, it just made me so proud.
Speaker 1: Motown twenty five produced by Susan DePass about Barry Gordy's
Speaker 1: hit Factory based out of Detroit, Michigan, and it had
Speaker 1: a legendary, unforgettable performance by a gentleman you may have
Speaker 1: heard of. His name is Michael Jackson. Indeed, he returned
Speaker 1: for the first time since becoming a solo artist to
Speaker 1: perform with his brothers. But then after he did what
Speaker 1: he called the old songs, he got into what he
Speaker 1: simply referred to as one of his new songs, and
Speaker 1: he performed Billy Jean live and moonwalked and blew the
Speaker 1: entire world's mind. So Michael Jackson probably did not invent
Speaker 1: the moonwalk, but he made it what. It was, an
Speaker 1: excessively popular and hypnotizing dance move that my uncle almost
Speaker 1: ruined for me. Rams. He told me that Michael had
Speaker 1: on motorized shoes listen, man, and tried to ruin my
Speaker 1: whole mind blown experience watching Motown twenty five as a
Speaker 1: young lad. So shouts to Motown, Barry Gordy, Detroit, Michigan,
Speaker 1: and the incomparable Michael Jackson. Yes, indeed, I like that
Speaker 1: some good ebony excellence for you, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: shout to Rams's jah Tu yeah man.
Speaker 2: Even though I don't have my AFRO today, it'll be
Speaker 2: back soon.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. But let's let's jump over because there's some
Speaker 1: stuff that I really want to get into that I
Speaker 1: think is really important.
Speaker 2: I was really excited to actually peel back the layers
Speaker 2: of this critical race theory, likewise discussion and so for
Speaker 2: the uninitiated, there are two schools of thought, right.
Speaker 1: One is that.
Speaker 2: Our history is necessary for us to know and to
Speaker 2: teach so that we learn from it, so that we
Speaker 2: don't repeat the mistakes of the past, so that we
Speaker 2: understand where we are and who we are relative to
Speaker 2: each other, and it informs our path forward. And you know,
Speaker 2: as we all know, a more educated population is a
Speaker 2: more successful population by any measurable you know, facet of
Speaker 2: you know, livelihood, happiness, whatever. So you know, there are
Speaker 2: people who really believe that educating fully the good and
Speaker 2: the bad. And I use those terms loosely because you know,
Speaker 2: it's a matter of perspective. But there's many people, myself included,
Speaker 2: who thinks, yes, we should tell folks what happened. And
Speaker 2: there is in this country at present an opposing faction,
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about this opposing faction in
Speaker 2: Florida that says that that may not be the best approach.
Speaker 2: I'm putting it kindly right, these so much. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: opposing faction, they believe that if you teach the children
Speaker 2: about the sins, like the good and the bad, that
Speaker 2: what you do is you teach them that this country
Speaker 2: is inherently racist and has always been, that they have
Speaker 2: a racist heritage, you know, and that they should be
Speaker 2: ashamed of their history. And this is how they framed
Speaker 2: their argument, which of course we know has no substance.
Speaker 1: The truth is what there is.
Speaker 2: I'm getting ahead of myself here, but we recognize from
Speaker 2: way over on this side that what it is is
Speaker 2: essentially these the Republic's say, a Republican or a right
Speaker 2: wing response to the fact that educated people tend to
Speaker 2: vote more aligned with liberal ideas and philosophies the more
Speaker 2: educated you are, you know, and so forth, and so
Speaker 2: it's just a response they're trying to weed out any
Speaker 2: hint of racist racism teaching education. You know, they think
Speaker 2: it's all kumbaya and that everyone is who they are
Speaker 2: and where they are because of their own decisions and
Speaker 2: not the invisible forces of racism and this invisible constructs
Speaker 2: built into the framework of this country.
Speaker 1: By and all of the advantages that come with exactly,
Speaker 1: and that you know, there's there's no way to make
Speaker 1: a connection to white privilege if you know, you don't
Speaker 1: teach that black people came over as slaves. And in fact,
Speaker 1: before we even talk about what happened in Florida, I
Speaker 1: remember reading months ago that in Texas. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if you knew this, but in Texas.
Speaker 2: They changed some of the textbooks, some of the history
Speaker 2: textbooks and social studies textbooks to take out the word slaves,
Speaker 2: so now it reads, you know, workers came from Africa
Speaker 2: to help, you know, pick cotton and do these things, right,
Speaker 2: because it's a kinder word and that you know, we
Speaker 2: look at it as whitewashing history. You know, that's that
Speaker 2: word is used deliberately and intentionally there. But that's that's
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's and and you know what before
Speaker 1: we get I know, I'm getting ahead of myself, but
Speaker 1: I really wanted to talk about this because this is
Speaker 1: such a hurtful thing to have to live through. You know,
Speaker 1: you live a whole life, right, and you recognize because
Speaker 1: you're educated, because you're informed, but also because you can
Speaker 1: see it. I've seen it. You've seen it. Our show
Speaker 1: producer has seen it. You know, everyone in the studio
Speaker 1: here has seen it. You know that that has melanin
Speaker 1: in their bodies, even those that don't have seen it. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: allies and so on and and and and reckon. Even
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it, you can understand that it
Speaker 1: does exist. Right. There's people who stand on this well.
Speaker 1: You know, I was born poor and I work for
Speaker 1: everything I have. There's no such thing as white privilege. Right,
Speaker 1: And you know I've said this before, but you know,
Speaker 1: a great way of examining white privilege is getting to
Speaker 1: start from zero, as opposed to starting at negative four
Speaker 1: with a with a ball and chain around your ankle
Speaker 1: and a bunch of obstacles in front of you literally
Speaker 1: though you know what I mean, I don't want that
Speaker 1: to sound metaphor, so starting literally with ball and chain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so you know that white privilege starting at
Speaker 2: zero is something that really.
Speaker 1: Needs to be examined and in that way. And so
Speaker 1: with that said, I feel like there's.
Speaker 2: A a disconnect between what we're trying to do in
Speaker 2: terms of empowering ourselves, in forming ourselves, understanding that, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's really easy to think, Okay, we're just inherently bad.
Speaker 2: You know, all bad things happen to black people, and
Speaker 2: so it's just it's our own fault. But that's because
Speaker 2: we're trapped in a world with a limited view vantage point,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. We don't have access to
Speaker 2: our full history. We don't understand, like you got to
Speaker 2: think the first human beings to build anything, to play
Speaker 2: any instrument, to do anything. We're black people because the
Speaker 2: first human beings were black people, and obviously the first
Speaker 2: civilizations or black civilizations, the first you know, complex societies
Speaker 2: and on and on and on. And I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about like ancient just only ancient stuff. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: if you go to Africa now you can see thriving cities,
Speaker 2: you know, and so forth, and Africa is not necessarily
Speaker 2: known for it's you know, uh, thriving economies and things
Speaker 2: like that. But you have to also bear in mind
Speaker 2: that economies and things of that nature are really more
Speaker 2: Western constructs. You know, an economy is a very solid metric,
Speaker 2: you know, to gauge the health of a society. But
Speaker 2: you know, there are cultures around the world who gauge
Speaker 2: it based on happiness, and I would argue that that's
Speaker 2: a much better indicator of how healthy a society is.
Speaker 1: You know. And so some things are not wrong, they're
Speaker 1: just different. But in this country, because there's such a
Speaker 1: westernized view of it, when you boil it down to okay, well,
Speaker 1: black folks have a lot of issues to deal with,
Speaker 1: and you don't give a framework for where did these
Speaker 1: things come from? How did these things come about? Then
Speaker 1: it's you know it I think it's the black people
Speaker 1: that suffer and the people that love and care about
Speaker 1: black people that suffer because you're taking the education, take
Speaker 1: the context away, and then when you take away the context,
Speaker 1: you take away the empathy, take away the understanding, take
Speaker 1: away the connection, you take away the idea that, hey,
Speaker 1: if the tables were turned, I might be in that
Speaker 1: same situation. So let me do what I can to
Speaker 1: bring a little bit of balance to the universe. You know,
Speaker 1: I have to have a I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to call it a reckoning or I guess I'll
Speaker 1: just say it and you guys can help me understand
Speaker 1: what the moment means. Undertaking this show was something that
Speaker 1: we had to be very very sure about before we
Speaker 1: did it because just like we never wanted the show
Speaker 1: to become an echo chamber, we also recognize that there
Speaker 1: are people who violently disagree with us. Yeah, so we're
Speaker 1: on airwaves every week pointing out some truths that there
Speaker 1: are sectors of our population that will deny that it
Speaker 1: even exists at a point of wanting to harm us.
Speaker 1: I got death threats and knowing that you know, police
Speaker 1: cars have radios too. You know, there are moments and
Speaker 1: I've told you this on the show before, where I'm
Speaker 1: preparing to come to this show and i have to
Speaker 1: really purposefully pray that I make it back home to
Speaker 1: my kids, and I'm not leaving home to do some
Speaker 1: incredible undertaking or take some long trip or going to
Speaker 1: war or any of that. I'm driving to the studio
Speaker 1: to record the show, and you know, having to reconcile
Speaker 1: with the idea that for no reason at all, I
Speaker 1: might get pulled over. And then I say my name
Speaker 1: on this show every show. You take a good amount
Speaker 1: of time to do so. I iver's license to someone
Speaker 1: who reads that name and recognizes it and is very
Speaker 1: troubled by the point of view that I carry. And
Speaker 1: when we first started the show, Rams, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've ever confessed this to you or to our listeners,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, we're gonna make some people that we
Speaker 1: like uncomfortable. Every week. There's gonna be some people that
Speaker 1: hear this, and there's gonna be guilt, and there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a lack of empathy because no one wants to
Speaker 1: be told, hey, you're a bad person, or you're the
Speaker 1: bad guy, or you're the perpetrator of this system that
Speaker 1: stands on our necks and I almost bite my tongue
Speaker 1: every show to keep from making someone uncomfortable. And that
Speaker 1: came up right now because you pointed out empathy, and
Speaker 1: the empathy is what makes me let it go. That's
Speaker 1: what makes me say, go ahead, express yourself and tell
Speaker 1: people your actual point of you, what life is really
Speaker 1: like through your lens. And the people with empathy, not
Speaker 1: just those that are informed and educated, because there's some informed,
Speaker 1: educated people that are still evil, but those who are
Speaker 1: kind and genuinely good people, and some that are even
Speaker 1: ignorant to some of these truths, their empathy kicks in
Speaker 1: and it allows them to at least stop and think like, wow,
Speaker 1: is it really like that? And is it always been
Speaker 1: that way? Is it always still that way? Crazy? Right?
Speaker 1: So every week, bro, I'm really like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: want to our show has to make someone uncomfortable every
Speaker 1: time we turn the MIC's on, and I've pressed pause
Speaker 1: on myself before to try not to make people uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: And that's what this is about. Yeah, this is they
Speaker 1: don't want to make people feel bad or guilty or
Speaker 1: uncomfortable about the truth of this country's foundation. I'm glad
Speaker 1: you said that. So here's the thing. So I can't
Speaker 1: speak for all black people, because who would do that?
Speaker 1: You know, some people try. Unfortunately, well we're not those people.
Speaker 1: I'm not that person.
Speaker 2: But I do live a black life, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: around black people largely. My family is full of black people.
Speaker 2: Many of my friends are black, of course. And maybe
Speaker 2: it's just me personally, or maybe this is just an
Speaker 2: acceptable sampling of the population. Granted I live in Arizona,
Speaker 2: so you know, I think this is a pretty good sample.
Speaker 2: I don't get a lot of anger. I mean, there
Speaker 2: are people who are very angry, make no mistake. There
Speaker 2: are people who are bitter, people who.
Speaker 1: Really you know, they draw hard lines, you know Black
Speaker 1: people that do that, you know. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: everybody kind of gets it, you know, we kind of
Speaker 1: understand and everybody recognizes that at our our in our
Speaker 1: heart of hearts, our impulse and our and our desire
Speaker 1: is to love each other. We don't want anyone to
Speaker 1: be punished for anything, and that we all want to
Speaker 1: look forward. We want to have a more fair, you know,
Speaker 1: balanced world equitable experience with our lives in this country.
Speaker 1: But no one's looking for revenge. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: get I don't gather that. I certainly am not this.
Speaker 1: This show exists because love exists in my heart and
Speaker 1: your heart, and I believe that love exists in the world,
Speaker 1: and I want there to be more of that. But
Speaker 1: in order for that love to really be impactful and
Speaker 1: be meaningful, we need to have some understanding, and so
Speaker 1: topics like this need to be discussed at length, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately that does make some people uncomfortable. Now, I do
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: Talk about the Florida State Board of Education because what
Speaker 2: happened there and what brought this to our attention is
Speaker 2: that they voted against teaching critical race theory, so that
Speaker 2: is effectively banned in classrooms in Florida. Now, people were
Speaker 2: in the meetings at the school board, passionate people, educated
Speaker 2: people that have a lot more to say about it
Speaker 2: than both you and I, and this board held the line, no,
Speaker 2: we don't and the thinnest of arguments, which is the
Speaker 2: one that I presented when first introducing this topic, here
Speaker 2: is the one that they hold to. You know, we
Speaker 2: don't want kids to grow up and feel as though
Speaker 2: they should be ashamed of their heritage. We want our
Speaker 2: children to be proud to be American, you know, and
Speaker 2: critical race theory doesn't teach you not to be proud.
Speaker 2: If anything, you know, you can be proud of where
Speaker 2: you come from. You know, that's a story of true
Speaker 2: in individual lives.
Speaker 1: And and it's such an insult to our children that
Speaker 1: we have to lie to them for them to be
Speaker 1: proud or omit the truth in this case. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: the governor of Florida, who's a Republican governor, his name
Speaker 1: is Ron Descentis, I want to say, so, he says
Speaker 1: that basically, critical race theory is trying to indoctrinate children
Speaker 1: with ideology.
Speaker 2: It's so basically what it is. I have a quote
Speaker 2: from doctor Jonathan Cox. Critical race theory is a theoretical
Speaker 2: perspective and practice for examining the role of race and
Speaker 2: racism in society.
Speaker 1: So that's what critical race theory is.
Speaker 2: And the Republican governor Ron Santas says that what it
Speaker 2: is is it trying to indoctrinate them with an ideology.
Speaker 1: And so he's reachings to pretend that race has no
Speaker 1: impact on our society.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is simply not true anywhere you look
Speaker 2: at at it. You know, or at least anywhere of
Speaker 2: the hot button topics that are you know, if you're
Speaker 2: talking about do you get service at McDonald's or can
Speaker 2: you pump gas? Yeah, pretty much everyone has a more
Speaker 2: or less fair share of go at that. Unless you're
Speaker 2: in some place like Bucksaw, Mississippi, or you know, Backwood,
Speaker 2: Alabama or something like that, you can stop and get
Speaker 2: gas from your car and gone about your business.
Speaker 1: But in terms of you know, and then it's in theory.
Speaker 1: In theory, yes, I've had some uncomfortable situations in Chandler, Arizona. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. And you know, the thing is, the odds
Speaker 1: are against you once something happens. What I'm talking about
Speaker 1: is just living your day to day life. If he
Speaker 1: wants to say that everyone is the same for the
Speaker 1: most part, we've made it to that place, you know.
Speaker 1: But there are these systems that exist, these invisible systems,
Speaker 1: these structures that are built into the framework of society
Speaker 1: that provide opportunities or to provide opportunities to non milanated individuals,
Speaker 1: or they are hard disadvantages to melanated individuals. That's the
Speaker 1: way I'll say it.
Speaker 2: With respect to housing, with respect to political representation, with
Speaker 2: respect to economic opportunities, with respect to criminal justice, with
Speaker 2: respect to I mean, the list goes on healthcare.
Speaker 1: You know, well, what do you mean, Rams is we
Speaker 1: can drink out of the same water fountain us. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, that's such a limited view
Speaker 1: of what the life is sit in the back of
Speaker 1: the bus anymore. Again, such a limited view. And at
Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter protests last year, I didn't see
Speaker 1: dogs or water hoses turned on any of the protesters.
Speaker 1: And this is what this is a position a lot
Speaker 1: of people hold. But again I maintain that it's a
Speaker 1: deliberately limited view because it allows their argument to exist
Speaker 1: in a space with other people who really need that
Speaker 1: to be true, because they're scared of coming to terms
Speaker 1: with the fact that this country does have racist roots
Speaker 1: and they want to feel as they don't want to
Speaker 1: feel guilty about their position life. Or maybe they're just
Speaker 1: bad people. Maybe I can't pretend like those people don't
Speaker 1: exhist for bad people, and they don't want to they're
Speaker 1: bad people. They know they're bad, but they don't want
Speaker 1: everyone else to know that they're bad, and they harbor
Speaker 1: these horrible views and so they need a narrative like
Speaker 1: this that ignores ninety percent of the reality and just
Speaker 1: focuses on the fact that we can drink out of
Speaker 1: the same water fountain in order for the progress they're
Speaker 1: construct of the world, their worldview to be true, for
Speaker 1: them to feel comfortable in their own skin. And I,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what it's like to live
Speaker 1: that life, but I gotta imagine that's a tough tough
Speaker 1: thing to wake up to and go to sleep to
Speaker 1: every night. You know, Ignoring something is that's that's a
Speaker 1: play a lot of people make.
Speaker 2: But pretending that the whole world is different, that's got
Speaker 2: to take a lot more upkeep.
Speaker 1: I hope it's tough, right because you know, we think about,
Speaker 1: you know, things like karma and that people that are
Speaker 1: bad people have their just do coming to them, and
Speaker 1: we know that that's not always true. You know, there
Speaker 1: are some bad people that are bad their whole lives
Speaker 1: and in their own space live a fantastic, bountiful life,
Speaker 1: even if it meant stepping on other people to do so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so who knows. But the truth is that.
Speaker 2: You know, as far as critical race theories and certain
Speaker 2: matter of fact, let me read this too, the same
Speaker 2: people say that, so it says school children should not
Speaker 2: be taught that America is fundamentally racist, right, which again,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go into a room of third graders and say, hey, guys,
Speaker 2: America is fundamentally racist anymore than I would go into
Speaker 2: a room full of high school students and say that.
Speaker 2: If I were to high school students would be where
Speaker 2: I would do that. But the truth is, you don't
Speaker 2: have to say America is fundamentally racist. You can just
Speaker 2: teach the facts. You know, we looked at these human
Speaker 2: beings like, oh, they can do the late for us.
Speaker 2: We purchased them or otherwise created a system in Africa that,
Speaker 2: you know, manipulated their economy, their local economies. We introduced
Speaker 2: a new form of slavery that did not exist in Africa, where.
Speaker 1: You lose your name, you lose your language, that doesn't
Speaker 1: exist anywhere else in the world in the world, and
Speaker 1: and uh, we thrive.
Speaker 2: This country was built on that, and we thrived as
Speaker 2: a result of that. And we never came to terms
Speaker 2: with the fact that these black people that share this
Speaker 2: this land, in this space and this time with us
Speaker 2: started off way behind the start line.
Speaker 1: And so that's a little bit about critical race theory,
Speaker 1: just thought we would share and.
Speaker 3: Now strikes from headquarters behind in the the Border.
Speaker 1: If you're just tuning into Civic Cipher, I am your
Speaker 1: host Rams's job. They call me q Ward And we
Speaker 1: still got a lot more in store for the show.
Speaker 1: We definitely want to spend a little bit of time
Speaker 1: talking about some events that took place in Maryland and
Speaker 1: in Ocean City and some other places too with respect to.
Speaker 2: The no vaping laws. We're going to spend a little
Speaker 2: bit of time talking about June teenth, because that's where
Speaker 2: we are right now, and so that's going to be
Speaker 2: our way Black History fact and right now we're going
Speaker 2: to spend some time discussing how to become a better
Speaker 2: ally our bah Bah segment. So yeah, for those of
Speaker 2: you that don't know about June tenth, of course we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about it a little bit later on
Speaker 2: in the show, but this weekend is June Team and
Speaker 2: one thing that you can do to become a better
Speaker 2: ally is get involved google you know Juneteenth festivals in
Speaker 2: you know, your vicinity, in the city that you live in,
Speaker 2: and go out and participate. Typically, June teenth festivals are
Speaker 2: a celebration of blackness.
Speaker 1: Think along the lines of and.
Speaker 2: Uh Saint Patrick's Day or or you know a single
Speaker 2: de Mayo or.
Speaker 1: Something, or even a fourth of July. Sure, you know,
Speaker 1: just a celebration of culture. But you know there's going
Speaker 1: to be a lot of institutions on site, a lot
Speaker 1: of do gooders, a lot of activists, a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, on and on and on where you can
Speaker 1: get out there and network, find out how you can
Speaker 1: be more useful, how you can become a better ally,
Speaker 1: and of course become a little bit more educated. So
Speaker 1: that is going to serve as our bah bah tip
Speaker 1: for today, and that is how you're going to become
Speaker 1: a better ally. But stay tuned because we do want
Speaker 1: to get into the history of June teenth and why
Speaker 1: it's important. And we're actually doing a little bit of
Speaker 1: a celebration because it just became a federal holiday, which
Speaker 1: is quite a milestone after how many years ago with slavery.
Speaker 1: I'm not being critical, but I want us to think
Speaker 1: it was ninety two hundred years ago. That's how they
Speaker 1: want us to feel way more recent again. Woogoole is free.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say a date that's wrong, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was far more recent than you might believe. Your grandmother.
Speaker 1: If you're my age, I'm forty years old, your grandmother
Speaker 1: lived through it. If you're younger than me, your grandmother's
Speaker 1: parents lived through it. So it's not as far removed
Speaker 1: as you might think. And if you're out and about
Speaker 1: in Arizona, you know during the June teenth festivities, look
Speaker 1: for me and Ramses, we're going to be out there.
Speaker 1: We're moving around in Arizona for Junet, Yes, sir, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so that'll do that, all right? No vaping
Speaker 1: law talk to me. Q you ever jalke Ramses all
Speaker 1: the time? You ever been ticketed for it? No, in
Speaker 1: the event that you were, do you think that you
Speaker 1: be jumped, beaten, handcuffed, taken to jail or you think
Speaker 1: you'd just be sighted for it?
Speaker 2: The answer I want to give so that we can
Speaker 2: have this conversation is, of course not.
Speaker 1: And I realized while asking this question that everything I
Speaker 1: just said might happen to someone that looks like Ramses
Speaker 1: for jaywalking or vaping. Right, so, smoking has been prohibited
Speaker 1: or banned or made you know, illegal, and a lot
Speaker 1: of places around the country. But this is in recent
Speaker 1: years though when I was a kid, you could smoke everywhere, restaurants, airplanes,
Speaker 1: like literally everywhere. Because it's a great danger to public health,
Speaker 1: and because well, let me start over, because people made
Speaker 1: a very very big deal about the fact that it
Speaker 1: was a great danger to public health. It's been banned
Speaker 1: in a lot of places. Okay, not just because it
Speaker 1: was bad for our health, because it's an extremely profitable industry.
Speaker 1: I'm sure less so now because they've been kind of
Speaker 1: shamed into, you know, until not being so liberal about
Speaker 1: nicotine and smoking. But once upon a time you could
Speaker 1: smoke everywhere. In recent years, some alternatives to smoking cigarettes
Speaker 1: and even smoking other things has been introduced in the
Speaker 1: form of vaping and e cigarettes. Okay, and that was
Speaker 1: never made that was never something that you could do
Speaker 1: on airplanes or things like that. But there are a
Speaker 1: lot of places where you can't smoke, where you could vape.
Speaker 1: Because it was so new, there weren't any laws or
Speaker 1: rules against it yet. Okay, several places around the country,
Speaker 1: several industries and businesses have now started to ban vaping.
Speaker 1: Not everyone gets a text update on their phone when
Speaker 1: new policies, laws and rules happen, especially young people who
Speaker 1: for lack of better want to be kids and not
Speaker 1: be so involved in government and politics and policy. Yet
Speaker 1: they'll want to be your kids. So Ramses and I
Speaker 1: have told you guys about our system of watching these
Speaker 1: traumatic videos, and this week it was Q's turn. And
Speaker 1: people would like for us and friends of theirs to
Speaker 1: believe that we are greatly exaggerating these occurrences. They'll even
Speaker 1: try to make you think it's your imagination. Google Ocean City,
Speaker 1: Maryland vape. I'm sure multiple videos will pop up because
Speaker 1: there were multiple instances in Maryland, but the results are
Speaker 1: the exact same, nonviolent, compliant young black men being tased
Speaker 1: and beaten by police officers just because they felt like
Speaker 1: it and just because they could. The presence of cameras
Speaker 1: onlookers and even people trying to intervene did not discourage
Speaker 1: or bring to a cease the activities of these officers.
Speaker 1: I read that one of the young men has broken ribs.
Speaker 1: Several of the men were beaten and tased, not because
Speaker 1: the police said, hey, you can't vape here, and these
Speaker 1: guys said, I'm gonna do what I want. You can't
Speaker 1: vape here, yes, sir. One of the gentlemen hands up
Speaker 1: while being taste and was only approached in the first
Speaker 1: place because he was vaping in a place where you're
Speaker 1: now not supposed to where I'm guessing once upon a
Speaker 1: time you could. And the answer to black people doing
Speaker 1: anything that white police officers deem not appropriate, Oh god,
Speaker 1: I know what you're gonna say is to put them
Speaker 1: in their place physically and violently. It's not about compliance,
Speaker 1: it's not about being the law abiding citizen. It's about
Speaker 1: being the type of person that the only reason you're
Speaker 1: a police officer is so that you can treat people
Speaker 1: that way, so you can hurt people. He's routed out
Speaker 1: cops that can't wait for a fight to pop off,
Speaker 1: and I don't even want to make it. I don't
Speaker 1: even want to single them out, because that would be
Speaker 1: great if we could just point to the rooted out,
Speaker 1: angry cop as the bad apple. As they would say,
Speaker 1: it's just bad system. But we have too many examples
Speaker 1: for that to be the case. And with enhanced scrutiny
Speaker 1: and enhanced attention, these cases are not becoming less. They
Speaker 1: are increasing, as if to say, yes, we know you're looking,
Speaker 1: and we don't care. This is who we are, and
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you a question, Q. Please, was there any point on
Speaker 1: any of the videos that you saw of the police
Speaker 1: jumping these children where the police said stop resisting? Of course?
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you another question before you
Speaker 2: go into detail. Were you able to see from the video,
Speaker 2: because the way you described some of the videos before
Speaker 2: we started recording was that it was like a group
Speaker 2: of police, at least in one of the videos. They
Speaker 2: were jumping group.
Speaker 1: Of police in every video that I've seen. Okay, And
Speaker 1: so there's I'm guessing three. That sounds like geja. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can get a jumped by two people, but three,
Speaker 1: we'll call it three police officers. Just definitely more than three. Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll start with three. There's three police officers on a
Speaker 1: child or a young very young man, let's say teenager.
Speaker 1: Let's let's call give them the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: I call them children. I have a fifteen year old
Speaker 1: that is my child. Yes, but I don't want to
Speaker 1: see and this is why I'm trying to make sure
Speaker 1: we don't do what they do. Right. I don't want
Speaker 1: to pay the picture of Grayson right, because that's insane
Speaker 1: and that's ridiculous. We're not going to make the context
Speaker 1: so skewed. I'll say teenagers. So you can picture somebody
Speaker 1: even my height, Okay, right, that's fair, a teenager.
Speaker 2: With three I'm assuming non teenager police officers, correct, and
Speaker 2: they're yelling to this person's stop resisting.
Speaker 1: Or some colloquialism of that. Yeah, right, tave that those
Speaker 1: exact words. But and do you see that this teenager
Speaker 1: is actively resisting. So in both cases the teenagers being tased, right,
Speaker 1: you see this person standing, you see them shot with
Speaker 1: the taser, and then you see their body kind of
Speaker 1: go limp, fall to the ground and convulse because they're
Speaker 1: being electrocuted. So, yeah, that's happening, except one person's tasing them,
Speaker 1: multiple people are holding them down, and in one video,
Speaker 1: three people holding one person tasing and another officer violently
Speaker 1: driving his knee into this young man's ribs over and
Speaker 1: over and over. And this gentleman, gentleman, and as a
Speaker 1: heck of a word to use, is huge. He then
Speaker 1: proceeds to get up and start fights with people who
Speaker 1: are around and recording what's going on because they are
Speaker 1: justifiably and understandably very upset at what they're seeing, this
Speaker 1: unjustified beating of a man because he violated that don't
Speaker 1: vape here rule. So in my mind's eye, it looks
Speaker 1: exactly like how I imagined it would look. You know.
Speaker 1: I know we talk about it a lot, but not
Speaker 1: everybody catches every show. You mentioned. Our system that we
Speaker 1: have for watching the videos so that we can process
Speaker 1: these things and discuss them on the radio, is that
Speaker 1: one week I'll take a video or two and I'll
Speaker 1: watch them, and then the following week Q will take them.
Speaker 1: Or if you know, if it makes sense for one
Speaker 1: over so or the other one to dig a little deeper.
Speaker 1: If we have to watch the videos of violence and
Speaker 1: death and you know that sort of stuff, it's very
Speaker 1: extremely taxing. It does not agree with my spirit. God.
Speaker 1: If you believe in God or whatever you believe in
Speaker 1: that created both me and you, whatever that sources, did
Speaker 1: not create me to spend my time wallowing through death
Speaker 1: and pain and harm. I'm not that person, but I
Speaker 1: have to do it so that I can talk about
Speaker 1: it because it's important because we have to live together,
Speaker 1: we have to love each other. And so I signed
Speaker 1: up for it, you know, And this time it was
Speaker 1: Q's turn, as he mentioned. And so I didn't watch
Speaker 1: these videos because, to me, as I stated, a person
Speaker 1: with a fifteen year old Q does not have a
Speaker 1: fifteen years I have a fifteen year old and a
Speaker 1: seven year old right behind him. That hits very close
Speaker 1: to home, you know, and it'd be very difficult for
Speaker 1: me to watch that and still be the optimistic, positive
Speaker 1: person that I have to be.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying I would lose that. I
Speaker 2: think that's fundamentally who I am. But it's difficult when
Speaker 2: the world looks like everybody's okay with this guy just
Speaker 2: kicking this kid. And again, I'm not trying to establish
Speaker 2: a false narrative, but the way that the article came
Speaker 2: into our group, Chad was teenagers or whatever. And again,
Speaker 2: I changed my son's diapers. You know, that's that's a
Speaker 2: I'm almost forty years old. You know, to me, that's
Speaker 2: a kid. And to have a bunch of adult men
Speaker 2: with adult man's strength kneeing a teenager in the ribs.
Speaker 1: You know the scary thing. Rams this is because you
Speaker 1: just brought this up and made me think about it.
Speaker 1: A year ago, I adopted a teenager. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old, and he unfortunately has that I
Speaker 1: will not be marginalized spirit, even if it, even if
Speaker 1: it means saving my own life, I will not have
Speaker 1: my dignity taken from me. And I'd rather die than
Speaker 1: to Hey it is, and the conversations that I try
Speaker 1: to have with him have no effect on that spirit
Speaker 1: in him, so that makes it more scary. Rights. He's
Speaker 1: most likely to stand his ground when he's being wronged,
Speaker 1: which sounds like what he should do, right except no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they actually will execute you on the side. It will
Speaker 1: kill you in public, in front of everyone, just for
Speaker 1: giving them a bad attitude. You know, I saw.
Speaker 2: I didn't see the video, but I saw it come
Speaker 2: come our way, and unfortunately, because of the nature of
Speaker 2: the show, we didn't get to talk about it. But
Speaker 2: you know, I saw that there was a an incident
Speaker 2: in uh Minnesota, I want to say, where a man
Speaker 2: drove his car through a bunch of protesters in Minnesota, Minnesota. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he and he killed a woman, white woman. Ally
Speaker 2: was out there protesting with her black brothers and sisters,
Speaker 2: and her white brothers and everybody humanity was out there protesting.
Speaker 1: All this while our lawmakers are trying to make it
Speaker 1: where that's not even a crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then you see the front of his car,
Speaker 2: it's all smashed up and din it in and dinged up.
Speaker 2: And you know, then they held him there. They didn't
Speaker 2: they didn't jump him, they didn't beat him.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they did. It looked like he just
Speaker 1: got in the car. Cars. But they held him until
Speaker 1: the pol least came, the proper authorities came, and then
Speaker 1: they took him away to have his day in court,
Speaker 1: you know. And you know, I don't know what I
Speaker 1: don't know about that incident, right, but I do know
Speaker 1: that that is certainly more telling of the two Americas
Speaker 1: than anything else. You know, that's or at least it's
Speaker 1: just as telling that we live in two we live
Speaker 1: two different lives in this on the same land. You know,
Speaker 1: for a person to literally commit murder in front of
Speaker 1: millions of onlookers with his vehicle, gets pulled out by
Speaker 1: a crowd, you know, of people that are not trained
Speaker 1: to do anything, you know, and they hold him, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's very much alive and well when he's taken
Speaker 1: into custody. Have you seen his mugshot?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I did see him on the street, though
Speaker 1: he was a big smile on his face. Really, that's sad, Engross,
Speaker 1: I wish I didn't hear that mission accomplished, big smile
Speaker 1: on his face. Absolutely, yeah, well again, while our elected
Speaker 1: officials are trying to make it so that what he
Speaker 1: did isn't even a crime, and that's for very specific reasons.
Speaker 1: It's not just happenstance that after the biggest civil rights
Speaker 1: movement in forty to fifty years, where protesters hit the
Speaker 1: streets in record numbers, that lawmakers immediately, you know, in
Speaker 1: the wake of trying to suppress our vote, make it
Speaker 1: so that protesters could be run down with cars and
Speaker 1: the perpetrator not be charged with a crime. This is America.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong. Sad moment. I really wish that I
Speaker 1: didn't hear about this man's mugshot. I was trying to
Speaker 1: make a point about, you know, police being trained, especially
Speaker 1: when they're in numbers like that, if they need to
Speaker 1: apprehend someone, they can do it without kneeing someone in
Speaker 1: the ribs, especially someone who doesn't have a full compliment
Speaker 1: of testosterone in their body because they haven't reached that
Speaker 1: age and are not trying to flex on you anyway,
Speaker 1: even if they did, and then there's three folks with
Speaker 1: full compliments of testosterone holding you down while one knees
Speaker 1: you in the ribs and Ramses is using three just
Speaker 1: as a baseline number, more than three officers in each
Speaker 1: video that I saw. Okay, well, I haven't seen the video,
Speaker 1: so that's where that comes from. But you know what, Q,
Speaker 1: let's make sure that we I want to make sure
Speaker 1: at least that I approached this the right way. That
Speaker 1: was really heavy to hear that he was happy about that.
Speaker 1: It makes me think that he got into cut police
Speaker 1: custody and maybe people like patted him on the back
Speaker 1: or they did the Dylan Roof thing where they bought
Speaker 1: him burger king before they took him into you know,
Speaker 1: it's sure. That just makes me think that I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's not beyond scope. Yeah, that's that. I don't know
Speaker 1: that that happens. So I don't want to put that
Speaker 1: on it and then imagine it wasn't a photo taken
Speaker 1: at the scene. This is after he's had some time
Speaker 1: to sit with it, think about it. He's been with
Speaker 1: the police, I'm sure. So that's why that feels a
Speaker 1: little bit like ugh. But in any event, I do
Speaker 1: know or I do feel like these are part of
Speaker 1: the growing pains. We're the latest generation to pick up
Speaker 1: this fight. We might not make it to the finish line,
Speaker 1: but this is our job, not me and u Q,
Speaker 1: but everyone listening to our voice and everyone whose voice,
Speaker 1: who your voice reaches. If you're listening to our voices,
Speaker 1: you know, it's our job to take it from where
Speaker 1: it is now and take it forward, you know.
Speaker 2: Because the truth is, if we do look back. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a there's a joke that comes up quite a
Speaker 2: bit and with different comedians, you know, and it comes
Speaker 2: up in different contexts, in different scenarios or whatever. But
Speaker 2: basically the joke is that if you're white, you can
Speaker 2: go back to any point in time and it's all good.
Speaker 2: But if you're black, you never want to go even
Speaker 2: to yesterday, because today is better than yesterday. And I
Speaker 2: think that that illuminates something that we really need to
Speaker 2: come to terms with.
Speaker 1: And that's the fact that hold on. Let me say it,
Speaker 1: the fact that today is a little bit better than yesterday,
Speaker 1: even with all the death and the beatings and the
Speaker 1: you know this and that and the third you know,
Speaker 1: we have we there's a little bit more and so
Speaker 1: we're a little bit further along. And I think that
Speaker 1: that needs to stay in the middle of where we are.
Speaker 1: We need to know that we're working towards something because
Speaker 1: we are. We need to know we're accomplishing something because
Speaker 1: we are. And that doesn't mean that we're not going
Speaker 1: to have to live through these That woman that lost
Speaker 1: her life because that man ran into that crowd, she
Speaker 1: was there to be an ally, she was there to
Speaker 1: be a human and it's very sad to know that
Speaker 1: she lost her life. But you know, that's not the
Speaker 1: first person that we've seen lose their life, you know,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately I don't think it will be the last.
Speaker 1: And that hurts to say that, but we have to.
Speaker 1: I refuse to feel like she lost her life for
Speaker 1: no reason, you know, and everyone else that lost her
Speaker 1: I remember the tiki torch thing and the guy that
Speaker 1: drove his dodge into the crowd and killed that woman.
Speaker 1: She was another white woman at Virginia Charlottesville. Charlottesville, Virginia.
Speaker 1: I actually went to that college and I stood in
Speaker 1: that square where they had that protest where she lost
Speaker 1: her life, and I thought that that was important to
Speaker 1: honor the fact that this woman who lives on the
Speaker 1: other side of the country, her life ended there, so
Speaker 1: that maybe my sons can grow in a world that's
Speaker 1: a little bit better. So this is how I'm choosing
Speaker 1: to frame these things, and I hope that there are
Speaker 1: some folks that share that sentiment with me. So you
Speaker 1: guys heard Rams just say, let me say it, and
Speaker 1: you can't see me, so you might not know why
Speaker 1: he said that. And so our show producer DJ Swirl
Speaker 1: and my co host Rams do the monumental job of
Speaker 1: trying to keep me encouraged on the progress that we're
Speaker 1: making as a people. Except the people do as sound
Speaker 1: a job to the opposite, going the other direction. The
Speaker 1: fact that we have so much content like this for
Speaker 1: our show every week is very discouraging in that way.
Speaker 1: But I will say this because I'm not an unfair person.
Speaker 1: There are more people that feel the way that we
Speaker 1: feel today than at any point in history. The problem
Speaker 1: is that there are people in power, policymakers and law
Speaker 1: enforcement that feel the same way they felt sixty seventy
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago. So vote please and don't let
Speaker 1: them take away your vote. And they're trying actively. You
Speaker 1: can still get onto the NAACP's website and contribute. There's
Speaker 1: another become a better ally tip for you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so, right now we're gonna move on to.
Speaker 1: Our way Black History Facts DJ swirl where you at?
Speaker 4: So the way the way Black History fact we have
Speaker 4: two now because you brought up the moonwalk from our
Speaker 4: first segment and according to the in nineteen forty three,
Speaker 4: Bill Bailey performed the first backslide on screen in the
Speaker 4: movie The Cabin in the Sky and talked to him.
Speaker 4: It is the dance that most closely resembles what was
Speaker 4: renamed the moonwalk, and Jeffrey Daniel is credited as the
Speaker 4: teacher of the backslide to Michael Jackson where it settled
Speaker 4: where we commonly referred to it, affectionately referred to it
Speaker 4: as the moonwalkwah.
Speaker 1: And google Jeffrey Daniel excessively talented brother. Yeah so juneteenth So.
Speaker 4: On June nineteenth, eighteen sixty five, about two months after
Speaker 4: Robert E. Lee surrendered, General Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas,
Speaker 4: and he informed the enslaved African Americans of their freedom
Speaker 4: and that the Civil War had ended. His announcement officially
Speaker 4: put it into effect, which was the Emancipation Proclamation, although
Speaker 4: it had been issued more than two and a half
Speaker 4: years earlier President Abraham Lincoln. How about that the site
Speaker 4: Galveston has remained a busy site for Juneteenth events over
Speaker 4: the years, said Douglas Matthews, who has helped coordinate them
Speaker 4: for more than two decades. This year, the city will
Speaker 4: dedicate a five thousand square foot mural entitled Absolute Equality,
Speaker 4: on the spot where General Granger informed the enslaved African
Speaker 4: Americans of their freedom. The city will also mark the
Speaker 4: holiday with a parade and a picnic. As you stated before,
Speaker 4: events and activities are going on around the country. In Atlanta,
Speaker 4: they've been scaled back because of the pandemic and because
Speaker 4: people getting used to getting back from the pandemic, But
Speaker 4: organizers have made plans for a parade and music festivals
Speaker 4: at Centennial Olympic Park, and similar events will go down
Speaker 4: in Annapolis, Maryland, Chicago, Detroit, and Lawn.
Speaker 1: And I happen to know that in San Diego there's
Speaker 1: plenty of Juneteenth events. Phoenix, of course, which is where
Speaker 1: we're going to be, there's plenty. There's a ton in Tucson,
Speaker 1: and Vegas, as well as Albuquerque and Opaso. So if
Speaker 1: you're listening to the show, there is definitely something near
Speaker 1: you that you can get involved with. But I think
Speaker 1: it's important for us to take a moment to really
Speaker 1: discuss June teenth, because it's always been sort of treated
Speaker 1: like the redheaded stepchild of holidays. So the fact that
Speaker 1: it's now a national holiday in the US is a
Speaker 1: big deal. How are they going to get around teaching
Speaker 1: that now that it's a national holiday.
Speaker 4: Imagine not teaching critical race theory, but then not going
Speaker 4: to school because they're off for Juneteenth.
Speaker 2: That's going to be very interesting, how about that? And
Speaker 2: it's federal so but anyway, so again, you know, I
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier that there's St. Patrick's Day, you know, which
Speaker 2: is you know, for the most part, it's a national holiday.
Speaker 2: We all celebrate with our Irish brothers and sisters on
Speaker 2: that day. You wear a little green, you don't get pinched.
Speaker 2: Everyone kind of participates to wonder, grear or another. We
Speaker 2: have a good time, and that is what it is.
Speaker 2: Our Hispanic brothers and sisters. You know, we live in
Speaker 2: the Southwest, and uh, you know, so this where we
Speaker 2: live used to be Mexico, So our whole lives, we're
Speaker 2: surrounded by Mexican culture and it's enriched by Mexican people.
Speaker 2: Everyone's to wonder gear or another, even if it's just
Speaker 2: reading the street names. You know, California is a Spanish
Speaker 2: word Arizona, you know.
Speaker 1: So single Demayo is a massive undertaking, especially where we live.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: Similar to single de Mayo, I know that single Demyeo
Speaker 2: is not the actual Mexican independence, liberation whatever. There's a
Speaker 2: different holiday in Mexico, but in this country, that's how
Speaker 2: we celebrated. That's our time for reflection or it's just
Speaker 2: a time to celebrate Mexican heritage. That's really what it's
Speaker 2: evolved into.
Speaker 1: Right. So similarly, June, I think Mexican independence is in
Speaker 1: September something like that, right, Okay, you would know better
Speaker 1: than me. But similarly, June teenth is a time to
Speaker 1: celebrate you know, black it's just an excuse to have
Speaker 1: a party. You know, it's not Black History Month, it's
Speaker 1: not Mlkday, it's not any of those things. It's just
Speaker 1: time for us. And the reason is because of what
Speaker 1: Swirl mentioned, where this is the independence of black people
Speaker 1: from the binds of slavery. Do you remember the first
Speaker 1: time you heard the word June teenth? I've heard it
Speaker 1: for a long time. I can't remember the first time,
Speaker 1: but go ahead. I don't remember the first time either,
Speaker 1: But I was an adult, that's what. That's why I
Speaker 1: brought that up. Okay, it was I don't remember it
Speaker 1: being like when I was little.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that I believe that's because, as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: and it's always been sort of the redheaded stepchild of
Speaker 2: holidays as which is further illustrated by the fact that
Speaker 2: it only recently has become a national federal holiday.
Speaker 1: And by recently, you mean like now, like it was
Speaker 1: two days ago, earlier, yesterday, to day, last night, something
Speaker 1: like that. So but it's good, and you know what,
Speaker 1: to be fair, credit where it's due. The vote to
Speaker 1: ratify that was unanimous. No one voted against it. I
Speaker 1: don't think they would. You know, he wants to go
Speaker 1: on records, and you know, at minimum by bipartisan, right, Actually, oh,
Speaker 1: you know something I don't. It was unanimous.
Speaker 4: Okay, However, this isn't the first time it's gotten to
Speaker 4: the stage. Oh and one gentleman, unsurprisably on the Republican
Speaker 4: side eventually changed his vote to allow it to be
Speaker 4: unanimous because it's a federal holiday and he didn't do
Speaker 4: it under the basis that it is going to become
Speaker 4: a paid holiday. He looked at it from the business perspective,
Speaker 4: saying that businesses are going to suffer because people won't
Speaker 4: be working. Yes, asterisk to every good positive I think
Speaker 4: that happens.
Speaker 1: Just be shamed for being the singular.
Speaker 2: On the other side, and that's a bad thing to get,
Speaker 2: you know, go down in history for.
Speaker 1: But anyway, you know, we we land where we land,
Speaker 1: and so thank you very much well for our way
Speaker 1: Black history fact and uh you know I I want
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Speaker 1: get your support until next week on Peak. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like yo, we had the lab, these brothers, the Fabulous
Speaker 3: our Lady showing you where bomb traveled. This speak to
Speaker 3: you from sunlight to who busting.
Speaker 1: On stage like the fight, move my mic back like
Speaker 1: that Jo.
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Speaker 3: the Beline side stepping the borders with press passes.
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