1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: If I am six forty, you're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. We're 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: on the radio one until four and then after four o'clock, 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: the iHeart app has the John and Ken on demand podcast, 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: so you can listen to anything that you missed this afternoon. 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Ken is away today. Debra's here. Steve Gregory is here 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: still reporting from Maui. The death toll last report I 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: saw is one hundred and six and they're still trying 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: to reconstruct the mistakes and the responses that didn't work 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: for much of the population that got caught up in 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: this fire. Steve, what do you know today? 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and. 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: Some more clarity is coming in about this. I don't 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: know if you've heard about this alleged conflict, this water conflict. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: It's getting its heating up about people who have control 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: over water and people were begging for it before the 17 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: before the fires, people wanted to cover their homes and water. 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: They wanted to do some preventive measures and get the 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 3: water and be ready to go. And apparently the people 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 3: that were in charge of releasing water to these individuals was, 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 3: you know, I guess, playing hardball. And then by the 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: time they released the water, it was an hour too 23 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 3: late and the fire had gone through there. That's the 24 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: latest story on the the island and it's been published 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: this morning. So and they were naming names and and 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: it looks like that's going to be a point of contention. 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: So they wanted to take the water and hose down 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: their their homes and advanced by flames. And don't you 29 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: have constant water service through the pipes, You have to 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: ask permission to use the water well for. 31 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: Like large quantities of water, and especially in the agricultural 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: areas and these rural areas up here, because the northern 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: area of Lahina is a you know, you've got a 34 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: lot of looks like fields and I'm not sure what is. 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: We weren't allowed to get up in that area, but 36 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: it looks like you've got some agricultural areas up there. 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: And then you've got a lot of. 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: Remote areas that count on large, you know, large gallons 39 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: of water, large quantities of water to sustain. 40 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,959 Speaker 2: But in this case, I guess they wanted extra water. 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 3: And the governor was talking the other day about you know, 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: this water conflict that's been going on for ages. 43 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 2: Well, I guess now. 44 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: People are naming names and blaming others and talking about 45 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: like these water conservancy districts and whatnot. And when they 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: were requesting additional water so they could you know, do 47 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 3: preventive measures as I mentioned, it wasn't happening. And then 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 3: by the time they did it, they said it was 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 3: too late. So that is going to be a big, 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: big point of contention. 51 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: Somebody in these bureaucracies had to turn the water on 52 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: for these people to use it. 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, and in the large quantities like that. 54 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, really yeah, And it's odd system. 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: It is an odd system. But I mean when you 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: read like who what all these different little because you know, 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 3: we have like the Southern California Water Conservancy District and 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: it controls you know, water access for hundreds of other 59 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 3: smaller municipalities for instance. Well apparently these communities up here 60 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: have their own water deals with these other regional conservancies, 61 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 3: and the regional conservancies have deals with larger organizations like 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: a utility or whatnot, so it kind of trickles down. 63 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: And so they have to like physically release the water 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: to a geographic area. 65 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: Right if it's additional to what they have an agreement 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: for already. Wow, And that's I guess part of what 67 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 3: is going on here. 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: Now. 69 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: The governor has called another press conference today, this time 70 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 3: at one thirty pm in the same exact location as Monday. 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 2: I will probably not go to that press conference. 72 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 4: Have you been banned? 73 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 2: No, I mean, here's the deal. 74 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: And I reviewed this with my managers this morning, and 75 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: and I don't believe it's probably in I don't want 76 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: to be the center any bs, so I just I 77 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 3: think my presence there might be disruptive and I don't 78 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: want to cause any problems, any further problems. 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: So I am going to record it. I mean, I 80 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: have access to it, but I'll just record it off 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 2: to the side. 82 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think this is going to be 83 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: the time because they're already going to be you know, 84 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: they're gonna be ready for me. They're presuming that I'll 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 3: be there, and I don't want to cause any problems. 86 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: So I've got a colleague that's going to be taking 87 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: care of things for me while I'm not in the building. 88 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 3: But I'll be outside the building. 89 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: And if you didn't hear yesterday, Steve and the Governor 90 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: of Hawaii had to go around and the governor lost 91 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: his temper and then just started saying false things about 92 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: Steve's questioning and demeanor. 93 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I mean I got to read to 94 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: you a tweet that someone sent about that issue. I mean, 95 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 3: it completely caught me off guard, and I was a 96 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: little taken aback by it. 97 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: But it said, when the. 98 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 3: Governor lies on ki TV four about how Steve Gregory 99 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: reacted to Green's this response to the hard questions about 100 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 3: the wildfire on Maui, how can anybody expect him to 101 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: tell the truth about the official response to the tragedy. Yeah, 102 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: well that's a great way of framing it. Yeah, so 103 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: Josh Green the aligant governor there, and then President Biden 104 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: will be here on Monday, so they're getting ready for 105 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: his arrival too. 106 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're hearing anything more about the the sirens not 107 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: going off? 108 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 2: No, No, it's really now. 109 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: It's because every time we try to find out officially 110 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: what happened, because no one else is talking about you know, like, 111 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: how can I put this? 112 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: You don't get. 113 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: Quite the internal sources here. Now, they might have some 114 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: local media people that have sources, but they're certainly not 115 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: leaking anything from the internal government side here. You know, 116 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 3: in La I already probably by now would have known 117 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 3: who was responsible for flipping the switch right in the 118 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: LA area, because that's just kind of the way people 119 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: are there. But here, it's a pretty it's pretty close 120 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 3: lipped here, and we're not hearing like where does it 121 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 3: trickle down? We just hear a lot of people being 122 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: very upset. 123 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: Now. 124 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 3: You know what's an interesting movement here, John, is a 125 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: lot of local community leaders are starting to do these 126 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: Instagram posts about their displeasure with what's going on, and 127 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 3: they're getting angry. And these are natives. I mean, these 128 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: are Native Hawaiians with generations of families here, and they 129 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: are coming out against the government and they are coming 130 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: out talking about how they've been slided. They're coming out saying, 131 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: you know, this is another example of outsiders running our 132 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: native land. And it's just very interesting to see now 133 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 3: how this is sort of bubbling up behind the scenes. 134 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 3: I would be I would expect some action of some 135 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 3: kind in the very near future. 136 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: Does the media there and I know this is a 137 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: generalization question, but do they seem a lot less aggressive 138 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: than you do normally find it here in California? 139 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: Oh? 140 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean you could tell again the other day 141 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 3: when you know, when my exchange happened with the governor, 142 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: and then when the governor made a big deal about 143 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: how many of you, by show of hands, how many 144 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 3: of you went on Saturday to the scene, you know, 145 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: And it was six or eight people raise their hands. 146 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: Those were all locals and you could hear you could. 147 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: I could hear them in the back of me going 148 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: I was there. I was there, you know, sort of 149 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 3: like we support you, kind of in a very supportive tone. 150 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: And yeah. 151 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: So it was interesting because I get it. I think 152 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: I've mentioned it before. The locals here have to work 153 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: with these people when we pick up and leave. I 154 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: get it. It's a delicate balance. Now, yesterday I was 155 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 3: one of three reporters allowed into the scene. The FEMA 156 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 3: folks worked very hard behind the scenes, and the mayor 157 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: of Maui County, that's the way it structured. 158 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: He gave a. 159 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: Verbal agreement yesterday to allow me and NBC and ABC 160 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: into the. 161 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: Hot zone yesterday, so we did our. 162 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: Walking tour, and that's because the locals had their chance 163 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: over the weekend, so they wanted to give us Mainlanders, 164 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: if you will, an opportunity to go into the scene. 165 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: And I was told point blank it was because of 166 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: my exchange on Monday that they had opted to let 167 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: us outsiders in, so we got one hour on the scene. 168 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: Yesterday, I read something in a report that was really chilling. 169 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: They don't they don't have too many burned victims that 170 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: they're treating because the fire just incinerated most of the victims. 171 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: And if you got caught in the fire, you died. 172 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: You you didn't get singed. 173 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: No, no, And then and then there's some an interview 174 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: I did with a survivor that lived in Lahina and 175 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 3: he waited in his apartment complex because he was a 176 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: lucky one. The only buildings that survived were made of 177 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 3: cinder block, concrete, any kind of masonry. That's the Those 178 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 3: are the only buildings that are still standing. Wouldn't even 179 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: some metal buildings have melted and they're they're flat on 180 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: the ground. And he was telling me that his injuries 181 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: because he was bandaged up. I'm like, you know, I said, 182 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: did you get treated for Brinsley Goes? 183 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 2: No? I fell down. 184 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 3: I you know, the winds were so strong it was 185 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: it was moving his building back and forth and knocking 186 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: him down onto the floor to where he sprained his wrist, 187 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: he got a bruised a skull on his forehead, and his. 188 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 2: Injuries were from falls. But you're right. 189 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: And one of the reasons that the way you described that, 190 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: when I found out yesterday that fire was moving one 191 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: mile a minute, think about that. 192 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: That's how fast that fire was moving. One mile a minute. 193 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 4: So if the fire was a mile away, you had 194 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 4: a minute, you. 195 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: Had a minute, you had sixty seconds before you were 196 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: met with a wall of flame. 197 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 4: Oh that's that's really hard to imagine. 198 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: So when they were running and here's the other challenge. 199 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: So I'm talking to Frank Taylor yesterday. This is the. 200 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: Came in and and I'm going to play for you. 201 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: So again, NBC, ABC and me. We were the three 202 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: reporters there yesterday. And here's a little bit of an 203 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: exchange without. 204 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 4: How would you describe the search area? How daunting is it? 205 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 5: That's the worst thing I've ever seen. That's uh, it's 206 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 5: I mean, I went down to Ida a couple of 207 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 5: years ago that was pretty devastating, but this is this 208 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 5: is apocalyptic. 209 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 2: It's it's terrible. 210 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 5: And they moved so fast that people couldn't get out 211 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 5: of the way. And so yeah, this is This is 212 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 5: tops the list of worst worst disasters I've ever been on. 213 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 6: So deep into hurricanes, to floods, classic wildfires. 214 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: Where does this rank? This is the top. 215 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 5: If I don't know if you were familiar with Ida, 216 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 5: but Ida was like this. I can't stretch my arms 217 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 5: out long enough for this. I mean in the vastness 218 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 5: of it too. You'll see it go get started up 219 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 5: on the top there and worked its way all the way. 220 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 2: To the ocean. 221 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: He was pointing up to the foothills and then it 222 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 3: just rushed right down into the valley and right to 223 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: the ocean. 224 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 2: So I'm sorry. 225 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 3: I know we're running late, So if you want to, 226 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 3: I've got more. 227 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: If you've got more, yet, absolutely more. With Steve Gregory, 228 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: Cafine News in on the island of Malley in Leahan 229 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: on the side of this just it's just overwhelming, the 230 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: amount of damage, the amount of death that went on 231 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: in that town. 232 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 6: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from kf 233 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 6: I AM six forty. 234 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: We're on from one to four after four o'clock. I 235 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: heard at for John and can on demand podcast. We 236 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: continue with Steve Gregory in Lahaina. I'm going to try 237 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: to keep pronouncing it correctly when when when I went there, 238 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: I went there a couple of times, and for some reason, 239 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: after visiting it twice that the other pronunciation stuck in 240 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: my head. I don't know, but it's lineup and Steve 241 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: is here because he got a tour of some of 242 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: the fire ravaged terrain and you said you had more stuff. 243 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so to bring everyone back up to speeds, yesterday, 244 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: myself and a correspondent from NBC and one from ABC 245 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 3: were allowed in and we were told by FEMA it 246 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: was a direct result of the exchange between myself and 247 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 3: the governor on Monday, because we were being sort of 248 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 3: ostracized and cut out of that the locals media just 249 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 3: so no one sends hate mail. The locals media's were 250 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 3: outlets were given access on Saturday and Sunday, so they 251 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: already had their view of everything. And the perspective was 252 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: interesting because I had gotten a lot of email after 253 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: the incident on Monday and people were saying, you know, 254 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: when FEMA comes to town, that's federal tax dollars. The 255 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: minute the federal government steps in, that's federal tax dollars. 256 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 3: It's only right that all of the federal taxpayers those 257 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: across the country are given accountability of how their money 258 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: is being spent, and I thought that was an interesting perspective. So, 259 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: and they were basically in support of what we're doing. 260 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: Because most people, most officials in government, would like to 261 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: do everything quietly, shredded in secrecy. Sure they forget that 262 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: they're all employees of the taxpayers, that they're hired for 263 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: our benefit, and that's why they have to get smacked 264 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: around every once in a while. Well, and then you know, 265 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: this assertion that I need to be respectful. I'm really 266 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: not sure what that means. And people who've been listening 267 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: to me on the station for years, I'm not really 268 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: sure what they think I'm out here doing. You know, 269 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: am I you know, am my actor out there, you know, 270 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,239 Speaker 1: walking all over trampling all over people's private property and belongings. 271 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, this is really no different than any 272 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: other wildfire I has been covering for forty three years. 273 00:13:55,679 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: In Colorado, Arizona, and California. In other states, but those 274 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 3: of my three primary states. I've never walked on someone's 275 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: private property without their permission. I have never removed personal 276 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: belongings from anyone's private property. I've never walked on the 277 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: ashes or the bones or the dead bodies of people 278 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 3: who have perished in a fire. I've seen plenty of 279 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: dead bodies. But the notion that someone you know would 280 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: tell me that I have to be respectful, I'm not 281 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 3: sure what that means. I'm not sure how I'm supposed 282 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: to balance that being respectful with being withholding those accountable. 283 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: They don't want to be investigated, they don't want to 284 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: be exposed. That's what it's about. 285 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 7: It. 286 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: It's a ploy. It's not meant to be taken literally. 287 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: It's understood as a ploy to try to deflect coverage 288 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: and protect themselves. 289 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: So I want to play for you again. This is 290 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: Frank Taylor. He is from Nevada. He is with an 291 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: urban search and rescue team who brought out one of 292 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 3: the now twenty teams. 293 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: Of cadaver dogs. 294 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: They had to double the request because they really want 295 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: to ramp up this recovery effort. And he's describing one 296 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: day when he was walking by and something that he saw. 297 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 5: There was a couple over there by the camp and 298 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 5: I saw it a couple of times. I walked by, 299 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 5: and it looked like a burned carpet, who a roll 300 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 5: a burned carpet, there's nothing left. It's cremating. 301 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: It's basically so he was walking back and forth by 302 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: this this tent area that they've made a camp out of, 303 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: but it was a home and it looked like rolled 304 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 3: up carpet that was burned. In reality, it was a 305 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: It was a couple presumably a man woman who were 306 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: holding each other and they were embraced when the fire 307 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: went over them and burned them. And when you hear 308 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: him at the end say it was basically cremation, that's 309 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 3: what he says. They're finding, more than anything, our cremation 310 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: remains of people, and that's why they are asking people, 311 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 3: you know, loved ones and relatives to submit DNA samples 312 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 3: on file, because that's the only way they're going to 313 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: be able to identify these people. 314 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: There are no. 315 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: Fingerprints to be had here nowhere, and they're expecting to 316 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: find dozens more bodies, if not hundreds, before this is over. 317 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 3: Now they've searched almost of the area and they were 318 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: hoping to have it completely searched in ten days, so 319 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: that ten days should be Sunday Monday, though that's the 320 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: absolute latest one hundred and six perished thus far, but 321 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 3: they have and they've only been able to release the 322 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: names of two people. And as we talked early in 323 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: the week, John a seventy four year old man and 324 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: a seventy nine year old man. So we're I told 325 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: you that it was suspected it was going to be 326 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: older people and children, and so far the two that 327 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: they've released the names have been in their late mid 328 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: to late seventies. So that's the most gruesome part of 329 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: this now is what they're about to find as they 330 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 3: continue to search. 331 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it sounds like it's only the beginning of finding remains. 332 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then you know, in a lot of these remains, 333 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 3: they're having to make heads and tails of what it 334 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: is that they're finding, you know, pieces and parts, they said, 335 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 3: and and just you know, and I got to be honest, 336 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: these FEMA teams are incredibly sensitive to what is going on. 337 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: And the yester, the guy got choked up yesterday when 338 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 3: he was telling us that he wants to give families 339 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: closure and he wants to make sure they have the 340 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: remain so they can. 341 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 2: Do proper burial. 342 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: All right, Steve, very good stuff. We'll talk you with 343 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: you again tomorrow. Thankk you take care. Steve Gregory, caf 344 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: Ie News doing a fantastic job there for CAF I'm 345 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: really the old on the whole iHeartMedia radio chain. When 346 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: we come back. There's two other angles to this Malley wildfire, 347 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: and one was geographically how it happened and how the 348 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: government responded so badly to what in retrospect seems obvious. 349 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: And then there's all these conspiracy theories from either lunatic 350 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: or people pulling pranks online about how this all may 351 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: have been Oprah's fault. Oh, and Carl de Myle coming 352 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: on as well. We got a lot to do. Yes, 353 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: Carl Demyo is coming on right after one point thirty 354 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: and let me get his thing, and oh, yes, this 355 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: is important because he's filing an initiative about the California 356 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: ID Act for the twenty twenty four ballot to require 357 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: voter idea ID to be used in all future state elections. 358 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: And we'll get into that as well. 359 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 6: All ahead, you're listening to John and Ken on demand 360 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 6: from KFI AM six forty. 361 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: We continue here now with we're going to talk with 362 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: Carl de Mile. He is the chairman of REFUM California, 363 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: an activist group that's trying to impose some order and 364 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: common sense into the state of California and the way 365 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: it's run. He has got a statewide ballot initiative being 366 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: proposed that would amend the California state Constitution and require 367 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: get this. I know this is controversial, that voter ID 368 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: be used when people show up to cast their ballot. 369 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: Can you imagine people showing their ID? Now, most people 370 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: agree with this. There's just a bunch of screaming activist 371 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: morons and politicians and media people who raise or ruckus 372 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 1: over this. But if you're a normal person, of course 373 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: you have to show your ID and to make it 374 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: a state law. Carl Demio's going to explain, Carl, how are. 375 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 7: You, hey, John, Thanks for having me on. 376 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 4: I've always thought it was. 377 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: It's one of the stupidest debates whether we should have 378 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: voter ID or not, and it's self evident that we should. 379 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 7: It is, and a super majority of voters agree with you. 380 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 7: Harass mesem Pole. Taken in twenty twenty one shows that 381 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 7: a supermajority of seventy percent of voters in this country 382 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 7: want voter ID, including a majority of Democrats. A majority 383 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 7: of African Americans, a majority of Latinos, seventy eight percent 384 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:18,239 Speaker 7: of Independence and eighty six percent of Republicans. So this 385 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 7: is not a partisan issue. This is just a very 386 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 7: common sense issue. The only people who seem to be 387 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 7: diametrically opposed to voter ID are the politicians, the liberal 388 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 7: politicians in California and their allies in the media. So 389 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 7: if we're looking at a way to settle the debate 390 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 7: on election integrity and say, look, we cannot be a functioning, 391 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 7: healthy democracy when in twenty sixteen Hillary Clinton the Democrats 392 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 7: think that the election was stolen, or in twenty twenty 393 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 7: Donald Trump and the Republicans think the election was stolen. 394 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 7: You can't be a healthy democracy when the pendulum swings 395 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 7: that much. I think voter ID is a basic foundation 396 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 7: reform that we've got to put in place to restore 397 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 7: public trust and confidence. And that's why we filed the 398 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 7: initiative yesterday. And now we've got to get a million signatures, 399 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 7: and to do that, we're going to need volunteers and support. 400 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 7: At Election Integrity Initiative dot com. That's where people can 401 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 7: sign up to become a volunteer. They can contribute they 402 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 7: can read my initiative in full. It's pretty plain English 403 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 7: at Election Integrity Initiative dot com. 404 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 4: Go through the main point. 405 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 7: Sure, and look, there are a lot of people who say, well, 406 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 7: let's do this, let's do that. I needed to prioritize 407 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 7: what went into this initiative using three criteria. Number one, 408 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 7: it had to be supported by the public. The public 409 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 7: wants voter ID, but they also don't want to make 410 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 7: it harder to vote. So we have to balance what 411 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 7: the public wants and the support that we can generate. 412 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 7: Number two, we have a legal responsibility to comply with 413 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 7: federal law, the National Voter Registration Act US Supreme Court 414 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 7: case law. So there are federal statutory requirements that we 415 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 7: have to make sure our initiative is harmonious with. And 416 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 7: number three, I wanted to pick reforms that we're going 417 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 7: to have the biggest impact, even if it doesn't address 418 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 7: every single nook and cranny. I think that this gets 419 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 7: us ninety percent of the way where we need to 420 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 7: be in fixing the problem. So the initiative requires number 421 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 7: one that in order to cast a ballot in person, 422 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 7: you need a driver's license or other form of ID. 423 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 7: And number two, if you use vote by mail, you 424 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 7: have to use the last three digits of your driver's 425 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 7: license on the outside. Just put the last three digits 426 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 7: on as well as your signature must match, so we 427 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 7: improve signature review as well as require that that driver's 428 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 7: license be put in place. Now, I know what you're 429 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 7: going to say, John, You're going to say, well, what 430 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 7: if people don't want to use their ID. Iowa has 431 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 7: a voter ID, and so you can actually under our 432 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 7: initiative if we say either use your driver's license or 433 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 7: other accepted form of government identification. So we can create 434 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 7: a number of different ways for people to verify who 435 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 7: they are. But we need to have that so that 436 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 7: people aren't stealing ballots and casting ballots without permission. The 437 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 7: second thing we do we improve the maintenance of our 438 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 7: voter lists. We have a lot of people on the 439 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 7: voter lists that are not residents anymore. They moved away 440 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 7: decades ago, years ago. 441 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 4: We're they're dead and. 442 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 7: So they're dead. Yes, So we know that we have 443 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 7: a problem with the poorly maintained voter lists in the 444 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 7: state of California. We do a few things there. Number one, 445 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 7: our language puts in the constitution quote a duty and 446 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 7: authority for every county to properly maintain their voter registration lists. 447 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 7: A duty and authority means that they can't hide behind 448 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 7: the Democrat Secretary of State when she says, oh, you 449 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 7: don't need to do that. Oh don't use that database. 450 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 7: Oh don't go to the postal service and see if 451 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 7: so unmoved. That's not acceptable anymore. It would require that 452 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 7: the county has its own obligation. In addition to what 453 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 7: the Secretary of State has to do under federal law, 454 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 7: the county registrar of voters has their own duty and 455 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 7: obligation and authority to properly maintain voter registration. It also 456 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 7: stipulates that for vote by mail, because remember when COVID hit, 457 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 7: the Democrat politicians said, oh, let's mail everyone a ballot automatically, 458 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 7: even if they're not wanting a ballot, even if they've 459 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 7: ever done absentee balloting before. So everyone gets a mail 460 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 7: in ballot under our initiative, It says the county if 461 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 7: it obtained any information to suggest that a voter has moved, 462 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 7: that the county will start the process of trying to 463 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 7: verify whether that person truly has moved or not. But 464 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 7: in the meantime, they will not be able to automatically 465 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 7: mail them a ballot. Now that does not mean that 466 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 7: they're taking off the voter registration rolls, because what we 467 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 7: want to do is err on the side of caution 468 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 7: and say, look, maybe then the postal service got it wrong, 469 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 7: So that person can still go and vote in person. 470 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 7: They can request a mail in ballot at any time, 471 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 7: so we take care of that. But what we don't 472 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 7: want to happen is the automatic mailing of ballots to 473 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 7: people who no longer are there and are not expecting 474 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 7: to receive them. And then finally, we require for polling 475 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 7: locations that the county publish wait times, and at the 476 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 7: end of any election where they identify long wait times 477 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 7: in a certain neighborhood, the county has to put together 478 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 7: a remediation plan to improve its performance. So those are 479 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 7: the three major areas that we are attacking. Voter ID 480 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 7: proper list maintenance so that we don't have people, you know, 481 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 7: who shouldn't be receiving ballots, getting them in old addresses, 482 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 7: and finally making sure we don't have long lines at 483 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 7: the polling stations. I believe that this is in a measure, 484 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 7: this is a measure that any Democrat could be able 485 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 7: to support as well as any Republican. Oh, clearly the 486 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 7: media and the politicians aren't going to like it, but 487 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 7: we've grounded this in a common sense, c centrist approach 488 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 7: to fixing the election problems. 489 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: Very good, Carl, talk with you again, to talk with 490 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: you again soon. Thanks for coming on again. 491 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 7: Thank you so much. 492 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 6: All Right, you're listening to John and Ken on demand 493 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 6: from KFI AM six. 494 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: Forty after four o'clock the iHeart after the John Akin 495 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: on demand podcast. We in fact you go to the 496 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: podcast later and here Steve Gregor, he was on with 497 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: those first half hour. He's been reporting live from Mali 498 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: all week, very gripping coverage, and we wanted to thank 499 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: a friend of KFI and the owner of Bravery Brewing 500 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: and Lancaster Bart Avery. He's been a huge help with 501 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: our coverage in Malie. His contacts, his transportation and his 502 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: support has been invaluable for Steve Gregory and KFI. And 503 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: you could find out about his brewery by going to 504 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: Braverybrewing dot com Braverybrewing dot com. If you're in Lancaster, 505 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: go to Bart Avery's Bravery Brewing and thank him for 506 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: helping us out with the coverage. Now on the other 507 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: side of the Malle situation is the crazy people who 508 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: these are, the jokesters and clowns have spread on social 509 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 1: media the usual idiotic conspiracy theories. And we usually ignore 510 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: this stuff because I figure it's a lot of pranksters. 511 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: There are people who read this stuff and believe it. 512 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: But I think pranksters started and they have a formula. 513 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: They'll actually use the same arguments and the same photos 514 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: for several stories over the years, similar stories, and it's 515 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: just the whole game. And of course the media is 516 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 1: terrified that two many ordinary people will get sucked into this, 517 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: so they have to debunk it, they have to fact 518 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: check it, and that's also amusing. So here is one 519 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that is is going around that the elites 520 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: such as Joe Biden and Oprah intentionally used lasers to 521 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: set the fire in Malli because what they wanted to 522 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: do was burn down the city and swoop in and 523 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 1: buy the land. And they have photos to show space lasers. Now, 524 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: these photos have gained millions of views across social media, 525 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: So I guess if there's millions of people looking at this, 526 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: you just need a tiny percentage of people to believe it, 527 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: and that's thousands and thousands. These crackpots are pointing out that, well, look, 528 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: the trees are still standing. That's evidence that the fires 529 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: were not natural, that it was some kind of targeted burn. 530 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: Everything is burnt, but the trees. But point that out 531 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,479 Speaker 1: or you're a conspiracy theorist. Well, actually, it's very common 532 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: that trees are left standing after a fire because of 533 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: the way the trees have a layer of insulation, and 534 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: most trees survive wildfires, or some of them do. It's 535 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: the bark, it's the dead leaves, it's the moist tissues. 536 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: There's nothing unusual about that. But then again, the pranksters 537 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: know that they're sending this information to a lot of 538 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: people who would be ignorant of that fact. There's no 539 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: reason a normal person would know that an there's one 540 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: who identified this space laser shot is actually a photo 541 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: of a controlled burn in Ohio in twenty ten, twenty eighteen. 542 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: See the way the photo is shot, it looks like 543 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: there's some kind of laser being coming from the sky, 544 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: But that's actually or what they call it, a leads flare. 545 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: You know, when like sunlight or bright light reflects over 546 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: the lens of your camera and creates a streak. 547 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 4: Well, that's what this is. 548 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: The space laser photos look like beams of light coming 549 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: down from the sky and exploding in balls of fire. 550 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: This was a direct energy weapon assault on the people. 551 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: My friend in Hawaii showed a laser beam coming out 552 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: of the sky targeting the city. Now they and also 553 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: they are convinced that this is all because Oprah wants 554 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: to buy up more land. You know, I've read that 555 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: that everybody fears that all the burnt out land is 556 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: going to be devoured by the wealthy, and that they're 557 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: going to have created an exclusive new community only for 558 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: rich people. But here here's another one that they tried 559 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: to claim a few months ago. 560 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 2: Remember that. 561 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: Train that derailed in East Palestine, Ohio, and it had 562 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: all these toxic chemicals burning. They tried to claim that 563 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: now acid rain was going to fall all over the 564 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: East coast, and there was no such thing. So they 565 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: jumped on every one of these either accidents or natural disasters, 566 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: and people re eat this up by the millions because 567 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: people just have nothing to do anymore. Now, coming up 568 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: after two o'clock, we're going to talk to Blake Trolley 569 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: because this is a strange story. At La County Sheriff's 570 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: deputy had some type of mental breakdown going on and 571 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: ended up getting shot to death by Fontana police officers 572 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: on the Sierra Lakes Golf Club course. What went on, Well, 573 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: Blake's gonna try to explain. Coming up on The John 574 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: and Ken Show, Debora Mark Live in the twenty four 575 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: Hour Cafe News Room. 576 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 6: Hey, you've been listening to The John and Ken Show. 577 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: You can always hear us live on CAF i Am 578 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: six forty four pm every Monday through Friday, and of 579 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: course anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.