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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to cool people did cool stuff, or,

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Speaker 2: as we might call it this week, generally good but

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, and with me celebrating today,

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Speaker 2: You ever heard of bank robbery?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I've seen Heat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that movie. I haven't seen that movie

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Speaker 2: in so long that it was on two VHS tapes. Wow,

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Speaker 2: I was like, WHOA, this movie's long. It must be important.

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Speaker 2: Some would say, do you think that the reason that

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Speaker 2: movies got longer is because they're no longer on VHS tapes?

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Speaker 4: I mean, what was that year? It was like twenty

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Speaker 4: ten or whatever, and every single like final movie in

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Speaker 4: a series was two fucking parts, and they all need

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Speaker 4: to be two parts.

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Speaker 1: Like when they made the Hobbit movie, like three or

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Speaker 1: four parts, yeah, which you know.

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Speaker 2: I'm a little bit of a sucker for that, which

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Speaker 2: was like my can take yeah, which was cool for.

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Speaker 4: Like h yeah, but like then every movie did that. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Like I love Twilight, but Breaking Dawn did not need

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Speaker 4: to be two parts.

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Speaker 1: It did not need to be two parts.

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Speaker 2: I think that mini series are overall a better format

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Speaker 2: for long form storytelling. Yeah, I'm a soccer for a

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Speaker 2: good three hour movie. I don't remember how long Heat is.

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Speaker 2: I just remember it's on two VHS tapes.

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Speaker 4: I think it's like, yeah, twosome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, So today we're gonna talk about some bank

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Speaker 2: robbers and some basically lots of other stuff robbers. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I'm going to name the episode this

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Speaker 2: because of might confuse people about what it's about. But

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Speaker 2: I'm going to refer to this overall as what I'm

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Speaker 2: going to call the Robin Hood problem, because robbing the

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Speaker 2: rich looks really good on paper and as often seems

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Speaker 2: worth doing. Historically, I would never advocate that anyone do

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Speaker 2: anything ever, but it gets really messy when you get

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Speaker 2: into the details. So that's what we're going to talk about.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that. So the short version

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Speaker 2: of the story that we're going to tell today. It's

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Speaker 2: about anarchist expropriators in Argentina and Duguay from nineteen nineteen

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Speaker 2: to nineteen thirty four. So during that time, a motley

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Speaker 2: assortment of workers, academics, and professional criminals, all of them

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Speaker 2: I legalist anarchists, form a whole bunch of bank robbing

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Speaker 2: gangs and went around expropriating funds for the revolution. Hell yeah,

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Speaker 2: it goes about as well as that ever does, which is,

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Speaker 2: sometimes they made a bunch of money for really good causes.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they killed innocent people. And I will argue that

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Speaker 2: some of them, not actually all of them, kind of

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Speaker 2: increasingly alienated from society and even their own movement, which

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Speaker 2: was deeply fractured by arguments about whether or not to

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Speaker 2: support the robberies. And I don't know whether you can

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Speaker 2: blame the lack of support on the robbers or not.

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Speaker 2: You know, but most of the robbers die in a

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Speaker 2: hail of gunfire or disappeared by the government. But you know,

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Speaker 2: that's every revolutionary I talk about, that's not unique to

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Speaker 2: most famous anarchist general in history, who is a major

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Speaker 2: figure in the Spanish Civil War. Along the way they

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Speaker 2: break each other out of prison, they assassinate police investigators,

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Speaker 2: Hollywood style chase scenes, just over and over again. They're

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Speaker 4: So this is like the nineteenth century Fast and Furious,

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Speaker 4: but leftist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen twenty or so, not nineteenth century. But this

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Speaker 2: like that? Whatever? I guess partly we're going to talk

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, some of them. I will admit, maybe

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Speaker 4: Vin Diesel's brother in the movie, like sacrifices himself for

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Speaker 2: Dog, that's fair, And.

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Speaker 4: I was like, why am I crying while watching Fast

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that as someone who cries at the wrong

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Speaker 2: parts of movies or at the wrong movies. You know,

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Speaker 2: most of our story is going to be set in Argentina,

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Speaker 2: especially Buenos Aires, which is the capital of Argentina. Some

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Speaker 2: de la Plata, which is the river that separates Argentina

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Speaker 2: from Daguay. And it's worth understanding the last episodes we

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Speaker 2: did about Argentina happened mostly in Patagonia, which is far

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Speaker 2: about all the stuff that's going to happen, think about

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Speaker 2: it like bank robbers in Los Angeles going over to Tijuana,

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Speaker 2: into space. I still haven't seen the Fast and Furious

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Speaker 2: of the nineteen tens is alive with revolution. The majority

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Speaker 2: this is largely before the Bolsheviks have shown their true colors,

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Speaker 2: they're still supported everywhere. The right wing government has just

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Speaker 2: are taking control of Argentina. Hate it when that happens,

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Speaker 2: I know, well, I mean it's funny because it seemed

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Speaker 2: like this like real good thing, right, and then they

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Speaker 2: parter with Mia Wong about the rebellion in Patagonia, which

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Speaker 2: is when right at the start of today's story, thousands

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Speaker 2: About fifteen hundred workers were like forced to dig their

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Speaker 2: immediately was like, oh, maybe we overstepped you. That one

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Speaker 4: If you knew you were digging your own grave, would

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Speaker 2: So this is like, actually we talked about this in

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Speaker 2: it would be a crapshoot. It always seem to me

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Speaker 2: it'd be like fifty to fifty that people would like

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Speaker 2: I won't and stand there and wait to get shot,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I would probably dig slower if I

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Speaker 4: Oh, I think I fucking lose it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There's actually a couple of people later in this

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Speaker 2: everyone had just survived the tragic week in Buenos Aires

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Speaker 2: most of the people who were killed were Jews. This

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Speaker 2: They managed three hundred and sixty seven strikes in nineteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, the thing that's so interesting and appealing to

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Speaker 2: when their movement is strongest. No lessons to take from that, No,

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Speaker 2: like the Black Panthers, the Young Lords, Students for Democratic Society,

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Speaker 2: really amazing things. Argentina, We're gonna talk about some robin hoods.

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Speaker 2: Our first hero is an intellectual. He is a descendant

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Speaker 2: of Russian royalty. His name is Boris Vladimirovitch. He's forty

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Speaker 2: three years old in nineteen nineteen when all this stuff

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Speaker 4: Or for like tuberculosis, right, that seems to be friend

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, he's he's made it through. He's made

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Speaker 2: it into his forties. At that point, what do you

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Speaker 2: his story. He'd become a revolutionary years earlier, he'd been

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Speaker 2: then it keeps describing him having money for a little while.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was going to say, so it's like couch money,

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Speaker 2: but he already has like some property and stuff that

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Speaker 2: made him an anarchist, that's the one good thing, now. Whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's where you we're going with lot.

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Speaker 2: So he's like lost and he's not sure what he's

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Speaker 4: Living the fast life. As they say, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I feel like he'd be like, this is the kind

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Speaker 4: You know, why not both?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Interesting?

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Speaker 4: Do you ever think about that?

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Speaker 2: I'm I lean towards I think he's like kind of fun.

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Speaker 2: We can hang out with depressed people, We can be depressed.

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Speaker 2: It's okay. He is like a fucking archetypical character from

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Speaker 2: First of all, you have pograms of the Tragic Week,

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Speaker 2: and these programs are specifically anti Semitic. It's in it's

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Speaker 4: And people were just like, yeah, we should do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, about eighty percent of the Russian immigrants in Argentina

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Speaker 2: So this is what we're gonna do. It is not

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Speaker 2: to him. I don't think he ran around being like

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Speaker 4: Jew, like litt'll help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he kind of ran around not doing the opposite

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Speaker 2: being like this is bad. You can't this anti Semitism

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Speaker 2: They support the Russian Revolution and the Bolsheviks specifically. They're like, look,

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Speaker 2: Well, snow, you'll be shocked to know that that's not

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Speaker 4: Well, I see an Anastasia. You know. If that says anything,

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Speaker 4: I haven't, but ah, it's a good movie, a Bob.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if you see it, you can't unsee it,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like it sticks with you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's about a Bolshevik anarchist princess, right.

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Speaker 4: You know, I guess you'll have to watch it to

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Speaker 1: This is not a movie rewatch podcast.

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Speaker 2: Fine, it's kind of a movie rewatch podcast of the

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Speaker 2: They're called maximalists since that is a word that is

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Speaker 2: Red Flag. The other anarchists are like, that's not it, y'all. There,

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Speaker 2: it's going to go badly. But boris our first hero.

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Speaker 2: He's a maximalist. He's a Bolshevik anarchist, and he's very

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Speaker 4: That's a long title.

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Speaker 2: Oh it was not the title of the paper. Now,

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Speaker 4: Well, it's like, you know, every affinity group has like

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Speaker 2: That is definitely it. It's like, yeah, they all have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's start a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I would rather you start a newspaper, dear listener,

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Speaker 2: So he thinks to himself, how should I get some money,

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Speaker 2: He learns that if you point a gun at someone,

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you gotta have a plan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even plans don't. Well, I'll I'll tell you about it.

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Speaker 2: Come up. You can come to your own conclusion that

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Speaker 2: He recruits two of his friends, one of whom is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the robbers do their homework. They tail the couple

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he told her he was imagine it, Marcial. I

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Speaker 2: The robber gets the suitcase and takes off running and

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Speaker 2: firing widely that long, right, Yeah, seven shots, Max, My

433
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: money's on five. Yeah, And one bullet hits the tram driver.

434
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: This is a ricochet, it doesn't penetrate his coat and

435
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: he is uninjured. Another bullet gets a cop in the

436
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: foot as he Yeah, and the ricochets off the ground too.

437
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: So clearly there's some like downward angle shooting.

438
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's that shot anticipation, you know.

439
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just low low left.

440
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: Just to support hand pressure.

441
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, this is why we gotta get you a

442
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 2: time machine and you can go back and tell these

443
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: old timey anarchists how to actually shoot, because we talked

444
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: about this in the Nihilist episode where like, actually later

445
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: anarchists figured this out way better, but like eighteen seventies

446
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: anarchists were like, we don't know how to shoot. We

447
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 2: have a gun that's like a magic talisman that just

448
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: allows us to kill whoever we want, right, and they

449
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: just fail time and time again man. But the robber

450
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: runs a cop like he's like running down the street,

451
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: and some cops live on the street and they hear

452
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: the ruckus and they come outside and he shoots one

453
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 2: of the cops dead. He doesn't shot an dissipating a

454
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 2: bullet strikes home, and then he takes refuge in a

455
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 2: coal depot at the end of the street. This is

456
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: not the last coal depot that's going to be in

457
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 2: this story.

458
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 4: What is the coal depot?

459
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: It's where the coal is. Oh okay, yeah, I mean

460
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 2: everything's running off of coal, and I assume people are

461
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: heating their homes and stuff with coal, right and all

462
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: these things, So like it's a much bigger deal I think.

463
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: At the time, the guy who works at the coal

464
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 2: depot is shot in the eye by a cop.

465
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

466
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: The robber gets shot in the arm and then gets arrested.

467
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: So one dead cop, one very injured robber, one very

468
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: injured worker, and no money.

469
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 4: Oh my god, he didn't die from getting shot in

470
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 4: the eye.

471
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: No, I couldn't tell you exactly how that happened. Wow, yeah,

472
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: glad for him.

473
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

474
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: So he gets arrested and he gives a fake name

475
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: and he gives like a He's like, I'm wan Konavusik.

476
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: His name was Andre Babbie. He's Austrian.

477
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 4: Oh pretty close.

478
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I think it was like he clearly couldn't

479
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: hide his like nationality completely, you know. But he's like, oh,

480
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm one. He's thirty years old, he's a bookkeeper. He's

481
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: Boris's roommate. And during the investigation he gives this elaborate

482
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: made up story that he was just an unemployed guy.

483
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: I've been sitting in a park one day when he

484
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: was approached by Jose the German and Jose that yeah,

485
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: and Jose the German had a big, bushy mustache and

486
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: offered him a few paces to snatch a briefcase. That's

487
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: his cover story.

488
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 4: He didn't think of that ahead of time, Diddy.

489
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know right, that's some off the cuff shit, man,

490
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: But this kind of works for a minute. All the

491
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: newspapers are like, everyone's like freaked out by this. It's

492
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 2: like big news, right. All the newspapers are like, we

493
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: got to come together as a society to find Jose

494
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: the German.

495
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 4: People are buying this.

496
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, actually I think the cops aren't. But the

497
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: newspapers are okay, dozens of people are reported to the

498
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: cops as being like sketchy Germans with big mustaches. Probably

499
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: that's hisse I.

500
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 4: Just yeah, I feel like that era was the era

501
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: of the stash.

502
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: It was, It absolutely was. The cops got tipped off

503
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,959
Speaker 2: to Andre's of dress, and they found out he had

504
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: a roommate who they was a german Ish guy. I

505
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: know that I've been calling him Russian, but he apparently

506
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: he also reads his German or maybe it was Belarusian.

507
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: It's like, it's all messy, but he's whatever. They're like, Oh,

508
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: his roommate is Boris Vladimirvitch. Boris is long gone. He

509
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: never went home after the robbery went south.

510
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 4: That's smart.

511
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, The cops searched his apartment and found a photo

512
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: of Boris, and now they had a photo of him.

513
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: They also figured out that he was an amateur astronomer,

514
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: because of course he was, because he's a quintessential jack

515
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: of all trades, drunk, formal nobleman now anarchist, and he'd

516
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: often been seen at the observatory. So they go to

517
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: the observatory. Where do they find but his suitcases, and

518
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: his suitcases are full of books like anarchist books and

519
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: all of his letters, and somehow from here they also

520
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: catch the ghetaway driver and Boris is arrested in a

521
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: nearby province, and while he's in jail, he kind of

522
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: becomes a celebrity and he's like an oddit, Like why

523
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: is this learned man just robbing some people? Like what's

524
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: his side? They all want to know. The governor of

525
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: the province drove down just to talk with the guy

526
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: in prison out of curiosity before he gets extradited back

527
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: to Buenos Aires. And so interesting, so many like politicians

528
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: and other like people who could break the rules were

529
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: going to go visit him that the national government had

530
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: to intervene and be like no visitors means no visitors

531
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: including you governors, stop visiting him.

532
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: That is so crazy.

533
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the case gets a ton of press attention. Babby,

534
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: the robber who'd killed a cop was initially given the

535
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: death penalty, while Boris got fifteen years and the driver

536
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: got two years. This was reduced on appeal to twenty

537
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: five years and ten years in one year, respectively, and

538
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: then it was changed again to be the death penalty

539
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: for the two of them. Basically it's like every time

540
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: the what so basically like bo both the far right

541
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: and the far left, which are a huge chunk of

542
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: Argentinian society, both like very polarized society, completely unknown to

543
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: modern American listeners. Right. Yeah, So whenever the state like

544
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: lowers the sentence, the right wingers are like, what the

545
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: hell are you going to let these cop killers walk?

546
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: You know? And then as soon as they bring it

547
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: back up again and now it's the death penalty again

548
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: for the two of them. Then the leftists are like,

549
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: what the hell you're going to make them a martyr?

550
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: And the Government's like, oh, we don't want to murder.

551
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 4: That's a good point.

552
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it gets changed again one more time. Life

553
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: in prison for the robber and the mastermind, and I

554
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: don't know what the driver got. Boris was told a

555
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: sentence and he said, the life of a propagandist of

556
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: ideas such as myself is at the mercy of such

557
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: contingencies now and in the future. I am well aware

558
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: that I shall not see my ideas succeed, but others,

559
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: sooner or later take up the baton.

560
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, classic anarchist relay. Yeah to the end.

561
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, the infinite the cississipy Sissian relay.

562
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 4: Eh.

563
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: Prison is terrible for his health. He soon sickens and dies.

564
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: But first this isn't an ad transition. First he manages

565
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: to murder a fascist in jail. Yeah, well, well he

566
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: masterminds this kind of his thing is, he's like the mastermind, right,

567
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing he's masterminded so far field dramatically,

568
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: But this next one doesn't. I told a story last

569
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: time to me about how like thousands and thousands of

570
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: anarchist immigrants and indigenous folks had thrown this huge world

571
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: strike and the supposedly little liberal government had massacred them,

572
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: killing fifteen hundred workers. And this guy Valera, that's like,

573
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: I think, lieutenant colonel, he's responsible for all that death.

574
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: So this previously passivist Christian anarchist named Kurt Wilkins kills

575
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: Valera in the street. So then Kurt the bomb, right

576
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And then Kurt is killed in prison by

577
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: a fascist hired by the state to do the killing.

578
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: Or he's like he wants to do it, and then

579
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: like the state helps him figure out how to do it,

580
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: you know, and then to keep him safe. He now

581
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: has to go to prison, right, because he killed a prisoner,

582
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: and so he sent to a mental institution because they

583
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: want to like keep him out of you know where.

584
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: They figure if he stays in regular jail, he'll get killed.

585
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

586
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 2: So eventually, this person that I've either read as a

587
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: little person or someone who has a physical deformities but

588
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: a person who is otherwise able or whatever, kills the

589
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: fascist with a gun that had been smuggled into the

590
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: mental institution by our man Boris. Okay, Boris because Boris

591
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: had been in a regular prison when he heard that

592
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: this fascist assassin was taken to an asylum. So he

593
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: fakes a nervous brickdown, which I have a feeling he's

594
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: good at, because this is not this man's first nervous breakdown.

595
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

596
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: He gets himself transferred to the asylum so that he

597
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 2: could kill this guy and then does. And there's no

598
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: criminal persecutions that succeed at that particular revenge killing, because

599
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: even though they catch all of the conspirators, none of

600
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: them talk, and so there's like not enough evidence, and

601
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: all the witnesses are like in an asylum and therefore

602
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: like not reliable, and also like the actual person who

603
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: pulled the trigger. You know, is not fit to stand trial,

604
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: has already been proven not capable of standing trial, right,

605
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: But his role in killing the fascists caused the state

606
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: to treat him way worse in prison, and that's how

607
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: he dies.

608
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 4: Damn.

609
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: He spends the last years of his life with his

610
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: legs paralyzed, and they give him no mobility aids in

611
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: prison and he's forced to crawl around the prison.

612
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 4: What was Why were his legs paralyzed?

613
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

614
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: The annoyingly light on the details. I have both the

615
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: books that I've read about this guy.

616
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 4: I'm annoyed, but I feel like there's a story behind that.

617
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 4: I guess not. I guess not.

618
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: I know someone knows, and the answer has probably not

619
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: yet been translated to English. Yeah, but maybe his legs

620
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: just stopped working because he had to be a tragic

621
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: Russian literature figure, you know.

622
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta read the side effects more carefully.

623
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of being a Russian literature guy. Yeah, it's pretty

624
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: much all bad. There's no positive effects of being like

625
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,240
Speaker 2: a character in a Russian literature.

626
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 4: Noted.

627
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what doesn't have any side effects? Oh,

628
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 2: purchasing stuff from advertisers, it's always good. And if any

629
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: of them are drugs, you can ignore. No, you can't

630
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: ignore their side effects. No, I'm sorry I've misled you. Well,

631
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: on that note, here are the.

632
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: Ads and we're back.

633
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: So this expropriation, or rather failed expropriation, it kicks off

634
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: serious debates in the anarchist scene. And by debates, I

635
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: mean people on both sides of this debate are going

636
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: to kill each other. Oh yeah, if you think infighting

637
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: is bad in North America right now in the anarchist scene,

638
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: wait till you hear about nineteen twenties Argentina.

639
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 4: Will it make me feel better?

640
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: I guess so, because or you'll feel like we're doomed

641
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: into a spiral that will inevitably lead us to this point,

642
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: depending on how optimistic you're feeling.

643
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I'll check in.

644
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay. Some folks say support our robin hoods. Others say

645
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: they discredit the libertarian struggle, and by libertarian they mean

646
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 2: libertarian socialism like they mean anarchism.

647
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

648
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: I know, you know that, but I feel like every

649
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: time I say libertarian on the show, I'm like, I

650
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: need to point out what I'm saying in case this

651
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 2: is someone's first episode.

652
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 4: Fair.

653
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: The largest chunk of the anarchists were the moderate anarchists,

654
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 2: and they did not want to support what they called

655
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 2: Anarco banditry. And this included the huge an archosyndicalist Union

656
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: FA that so much of the Last Argentina series was about,

657
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: as well as the intellectuals in the biggest anarchist newspaper,

658
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: La Protesta. So another paper, like we were talking about

659
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 2: I have, every crew has their zine, you know, right,

660
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: another paper and Torcha, which is the torch. They supported

661
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: direct action and they split off from La Protesta over

662
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: this disagreement. It's kind of funny because they were they

663
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: were like, look, we don't hate these people, but they're

664
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: not doing what's right. They're like, they're very well, I'll

665
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: talk about it more later, but they're not like, hooray,

666
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: we love all the robbery, right, They're just like, we're

667
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: not going to cast these people out for having done

668
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: a robbery. The non aligned trade unions also support this,

669
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: the Anarco bandits, and or specifically they would probably frame it.

670
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: They support illegal actions against the bourgeoisie because those are necessary. Good.

671
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

672
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so the next expropriation came on May second,

673
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty one, when robbers got six hundred and twenty

674
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: thousand pesetas, which is a lot of money, but I

675
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: could not find a way to grasp exactly how much.

676
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: But everyone assumed this was the anarchists, But this was

677
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: actually an a political crime, but it kind of gets

678
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 2: blamed on the anarchists, right and false flag. Yeah, well

679
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: and that's that's like and tortious stance is They're like, anyway, well,

680
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: I'll keep talking about this. So this is a political crime,

681
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: except it's of course the crime that's a result of

682
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: systemic poverty in people. Well, yeah, it's a resort to

683
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: all that usual stuff. Yeah, all the eleven robbers get caught.

684
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 2: Three of them were professional criminals, the rest were workers.

685
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: So you've got la protesta, which is opposed to political

686
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: robbery and crime in general. But Land Torchia was like,

687
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: they're not like, hell, yeah, let's go Robin Steele and

688
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: occasionally murder. They're like, I can see both sides of this.

689
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: Land Torchia came out sort of neutral about them, saying

690
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: the only robbers in these parts are the property owners. Yup,

691
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: but they're also like, okay, so are these folks just

692
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: trying to get rich themselves by robbing other people or

693
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 2: is it for struggle? And I actually really like the

694
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: statement that land Torcia wrote. What is the robber's object

695
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: to seize wealth or at any rate to avoid the

696
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,479
Speaker 2: toil and the slavery that flow from it. In order

697
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: to escape enslavement. He gambles his freedom and generally loses it.

698
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,479
Speaker 2: In that the bourgeoisie are experts of this little game,

699
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: and really it is they who deal the cards. Should

700
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 2: some petty thief succeed in this game, he becomes rich

701
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: a property owner, which is to say, a big thief.

702
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: But for all of that, and although they may be thieves,

703
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 2: we are more on the side of the outlaws than

704
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: the others, more on the side of the petty thieves

705
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: than the big ones, more with the custom post raiders

706
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: than President Irgan and his ministers. May their example prosper.

707
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 4: That is sick as fuck and nothing ever changes ever.

708
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but most of the time when

709
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: nothing ever changes, it makes me sad. But sometimes I'm like,

710
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: this statement that was written a hundred years ago is

711
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: really well done and is useful. So one thing that

712
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 2: is like, so it's not so some things have like

713
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: the conditions have not necessarily totally changed. But it also

714
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: means that like some of the things that people like

715
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: said and did are like use full to read and

716
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: pay attention to you know, hmm.

717
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very like agitational message.

718
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally makes you think. And so this split the

719
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: anarcho banditry. Are we against them or neutral on them?

720
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 2: This replaces the old split. There's no more anarcho Bolsheviks

721
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: by the early nineteen twenties because the Bolsheviks in Russia

722
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: killed all the anarchists they could at that point, and

723
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 2: the anarchists in other countries were like, oh, turns out

724
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: the Bolsheviks just created a dictatorship.

725
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: Hate when that happens, I really.

726
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: Do, Like I hate it more than most things that

727
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 2: I hate in this world. Yeah, it feels like a

728
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: gut punch when you're just like, I can't even imagine

729
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: what it would feel like to be alive during that time.

730
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: You know, Oh my god, the greatest revolution that the

731
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: world had ever seen was then betrayed, captured, and turned

732
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: into exactly the thing that it claimed to be against.

733
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: I like exactly, Yeah, I I.

734
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: Like honestly, like wonder how people kept struggling. I'm like

735
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: really impressed, you know, mm hmm, I guess I mean

736
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: party is because they well they needed to because there's

737
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: this new ideology that's emerged on the scene. Came from Italy.

738
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 2: It's called fascism.

739
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 4: Oh that's not where I thought you were going.

740
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: No, no, blowing stuff up will also come from Italy

741
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: at some point. But the only other left unity group

742
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: around at this point was the Italian Anti Fascist Committee,

743
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: which included which is like basically people in Argentina who

744
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: are either from Italy or specifically concerned with fighting fascism,

745
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: which was at this point like kind of just in Italy,

746
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: you know. And this group included liberal, socialist, anarchists, and communists,

747
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 2: and at every meeting they had speakers from all four tendencies,

748
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: so it wasn't just like everyone can come. It's like,

749
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: we know that there are four different groups here, all

750
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 2: of them have a say because we are working together

751
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: to stop fashion and it's like one of those things

752
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: that's like both really beautiful, but I can also see

753
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: some of the anarchists were really upset about sharing the

754
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: stage with the communists, which just massacred all these other groups.

755
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: You know, that's fair, that's fair. Yeah, I'd be at

756
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: least a little wary myself.

757
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And anti fascism is the big thing in Argentinian

758
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: radical politics at this point. Right. I'm focusing not yet,

759
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: but I will be focusing more on the expropriators. But

760
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: the anti fascist and the trade unionists are doing all

761
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: this incredibly important work, probably more important work, frankly, but

762
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: it's all tied together. They're not as distinct as people

763
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: might want to make. It not as distinct as La

764
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: Protesta wants to claim, because fascism is now picking up

765
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: all across Europe and a ton of Italian immigrants to

766
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 2: Argentina are fleeing fascism, but it was also on the

767
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: rise in Argentina. Ret row, Yeah, spoiler nineteen thirty the

768
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: fascists will take control of Argentina and created military dictatorship.

769
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: So much of like nineteen twenty to nineteen forty history,

770
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: it can be understood as like, like all over the world,

771
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 2: it was like, well, is it the anarchists, the communists

772
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: of the fascists who are going to successfully stage a

773
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: revolution in this or that country against the like conservatives

774
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 2: and the liberals mm hmm, and the fascists are going

775
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 2: to the answer in Argentina is that the fascists are

776
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: going to take control. So people who are fighting fascism

777
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 2: are onto something. That is what I'm trying to say.

778
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, that's yeah.

779
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: The way that fascism takes hold in general is through

780
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 2: a combination of right wing control of the state and

781
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 2: right wing paramilitary groups that operate like somewhat autonomously outside

782
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: of it.

783
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 4: The thing that stopped happening.

784
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally a coincidence that you have the Patriotic

785
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: League in Argentina and the Patriot Front in the United States.

786
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 4: Now so uncreative, I know.

787
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: So the Patriotic League is this right wing paramilitary organization,

788
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: and in the rural areas they have a sub organization

789
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: called the Organization for the Defense of Property. The best

790
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: source I have on all of this is from a

791
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: historian named Oswaldo Bayer, and he said, quote, the landowners

792
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 2: and their sons formed themselves into armed phalanxes and underwent

793
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 2: military training so they would be prepared to defend themselves

794
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: against the persistent agitation of the.

795
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 4: Farm workers, those damn workers.

796
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:30,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

797
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: On May one, nineteen twenty one, there's huge May Day

798
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: celebrations across the country because of course there were May first. Yeah,

799
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: the Patriotic League counter protested one of these demonstrations by

800
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: throwing their own parade, a big patriotic to display with

801
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: representatives from all the Catholic schools. There's young girls scattering

802
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 2: flowers in front of the parade, lots of flags, all

803
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: that shit that sounds whack as fuck it is. Then

804
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: they went over to the anarchist labor rally, and when

805
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: they saw the black and red flag, they got all

806
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 2: mad and shit, and then they just massacred people. Oh

807
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: five or fifteen people were killed. The number of people

808
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: wounded ranges from thirty three to five times that the

809
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: right wing press basically was like, well, ninety five percent

810
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: of the people at the anarchist rally were immigrants, So

811
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: who cares? Okay, see, how you know recently a judge like,

812
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: do you know more about this? How a judge recently

813
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: said that an undocumented people can have the right to

814
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: bear arms in the United States, And then all the

815
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: right wingers are really upset about it, even though they

816
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: supposedly like gun rights.

817
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I saw some of that on the GRAM. Yeah,

818
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 4: the gram.

819
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: That's you know, they're like, people have a god given

820
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: right to bear arms. Not those not.

821
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: Those people, Yeah, no, very someones like me.

822
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

823
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: The very next day, May second, right wing thugs killed

824
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: two anarchist brothers in Buenos Aires for what, I'm not sure,

825
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: I think over a strike or something. So many fascist

826
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: versus anti fascist shootouts are about to happen that it

827
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: becomes blurry, or rather it gets skimmed over in the

828
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: history that I've read about it. Soon enough, the anarchists

829
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: start shooting back, right, They're like, oh yeah, and they

830
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: become an armed community. I think I can go pretty

831
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: much as a result of the nineteen twenty one May

832
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: Day thing, but I'm not one hundred percent certain. So

833
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: when fascist attacks striking doc workers, an anarchists and a

834
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: patriotically but guy both died in that particular attack, and

835
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: so violence is in the air. Anarchists went armed, and

836
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: they occasionally fought battles with cops as well as fascists.

837
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 2: In the town of Jacinto, Rus rising labor tensions caused

838
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 2: cops to invite workers to come talk like there's all

839
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: these like rising tensions, right, and so the cops are like, oh,

840
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: why don't all you people who have problems with the

841
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: labor stuff come on over down to the police station

842
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: and we'll all talk it through. It's totally not a trap.

843
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: And so they go and the workers who show up

844
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: are disarmed and arrested, and the anarchists among the workers

845
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: are like, nah, you can't do that. And so even

846
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: though they are literally surrounded at gunpoint, they were like

847
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: fuck this, and they fought, and folks on both sides died.

848
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, did they win or.

849
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: I mean some of them probably survived. Yeah, it's it's

850
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: often referred to as a massacre, but it's like, I

851
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: think it is worth pointing out that it was a

852
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: battle and that the an armed group of people said

853
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: we are not going to let ourselves be arrested in

854
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: this trap, you know. Yeah. Fair And what's funny is

855
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: so like and this is a fairly like mainstream anarchist position,

856
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: including like like Le Pretesta and all these people who

857
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: don't like the bandits, they're okay with self defense and

858
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: community defense, right, And so the anarchist papers have to

859
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: start saying things like, hey, folks, just as a heads

860
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: up for tomorrow's anarchist picnic. Don't just like shoot guns

861
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: into the woods. It scares the locals. It's a bad idea.

862
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: Just you can bring your guns, but just don't shoot

863
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: them randomly.

864
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Speaker 4: So you're telling me I just can't have any.

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Speaker 2: Fun pretty much. Yeah, the anarchists hate fun.

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Speaker 4: I mean I've heard that before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it also means the anarchist movement was this

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Speaker 2: huge thing. It was complete with family picnics and stuff

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Speaker 2: like that, you know, And that's.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, both sides the stuff.

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Speaker 2: That I wish I knew more about. With some of

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Speaker 2: the cultural stuff I love, Like the defense stuff is

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Speaker 2: defense of a beautiful cultural thing that they're building, you know.

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Speaker 2: They also had a defense committee to help imprison comrades

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Speaker 2: and this raised money for defense, but it also planned escapes.

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Speaker 2: It was called the Social Prisoners and Deportees Defense Committee,

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Speaker 2: and they covered trial expenses, They took care of the

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Speaker 2: families who imprisoned people. And they also had volunteers scouting

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Speaker 2: out every prison and like just to like know all

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Speaker 2: of the area around it, like know who lives near there,

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Speaker 2: Like what are the ways in who works there? Who

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Speaker 2: can be bribed?

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Speaker 4: That is so fucking legit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are bribing jailers to get stuff into prisons.

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Speaker 2: They are renting getaway cars, They are occasionally bribing clerks

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Speaker 2: into changing the sentences of prisoners.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, diversity of tactics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the central figure of that group was Miguel

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Speaker 2: Arkangel Rossinga and he's a metalworker. I mentioned last time.

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Speaker 2: His other long standing anarchist political prisoner a guy named

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Speaker 2: Simon Radowitzki. Simon who killed Ramon Facon. He killed the

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Speaker 2: cop responsible for firing into a crowd back in nineteen

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Speaker 2: oh nine. And the movement to spring him took twenty

894
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Speaker 2: years and tried everything, including a lot of prison escape attempts.

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Speaker 2: At one time point, Miguel gets himself a job as

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Speaker 2: a prison guard in Simon's prison in order to break

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Speaker 2: him out, but a competing union was like looking to

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Speaker 2: discredit the anarchists, and they weren't even like trying to

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Speaker 2: snitch him out as like he's trying to plan an escape.

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Speaker 2: I think they were just being like, yeah, well the anarchists,

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Speaker 2: one of them's a prison guard now, so like.

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Speaker 4: Clearly, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: They're all a bunch of hypocrites, you know. So the

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Speaker 2: jig was up and he was fired, but on his

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Speaker 2: way out the door. And this is what everyone who

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Speaker 2: quits jobs should do, especially I you're gonna this isn't

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Speaker 2: an ad transition, but especially if you listen to that

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Speaker 2: ad that's like, go become a jailer. This is what

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Speaker 2: you should do. To quote I mean you shouldn't do.

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Speaker 2: This is not illegally at whatever, to quote Oswaldebayer before

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00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: he vanished, unless all of his trouble have been for nothing.

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Speaker 2: Rasinga torched the prison governor's home.

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Speaker 4: Fuck yeah, let's go yeah.

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Speaker 2: By the movement is splitting hard between the protestistas from

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Speaker 2: La Protesta and the Antocistas from Lenin Torcia, and soon

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Speaker 2: the Defense committee was split two. The Protestistas would only

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Speaker 2: support prisoners of conscience and not expropriators. Among the anarchistic expropriators,

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Speaker 2: there are three figures talked about the most, the sort

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Speaker 2: of big men of history version of it, which is annoying.

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Speaker 2: But I can't keep track of a million names, and

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Speaker 2: I don't want anyone else to have to, so I'm

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Speaker 2: going to repeat some of it a little bit. They're

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Speaker 2: each part of a different gang. One of them is

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Speaker 2: our metalworker Miguel Risinga Another is an Italian named Severino

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Speaker 2: Dia Giovanni, and he may or may not come back

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Speaker 2: with it own episode someday. It kind of depends on

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Speaker 2: how I'm feeling about him after I researched him a

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Speaker 2: little bit more, and there's more written about him in general.

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Speaker 2: But there's one more figure it's important in all of this,

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Speaker 2: Buena Ventura de Rudi, who we're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: on Wednesday. This is only a cliffhanger if you know

932
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Speaker 2: that he's a really important figure in the Spanish Civil

933
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Speaker 2: War who like leads a massive army to try and

934
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Speaker 2: defeat fascism. So here that's context for you listeners about

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Speaker 2: why that's such a cool cliffhanger. Now everyone knows, So

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Speaker 2: that was really cool.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for explaining that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's well literally my job. But snow, do

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Speaker 2: you have anything you want to plug? Uh?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some of you may remember me from a Yellow

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I feel that way. If you want to know more

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Speaker 2: Live Like the World Is Dying, which comes out every Friday,

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Speaker 2: what do you got to plug?

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Speaker 1: I want to plug a new show that's coming out

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Speaker 1: in May, hosted by Jamie loftis that I'll be producing

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Speaker 1: I are working really really hard on it, and the

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Speaker 1: ideas Jamie has for the show are.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna love it.

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Speaker 1: That's That's what I'll say, is Jamie's crushing it.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty excited about having an ongoing Jamie Lofts podcast available.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's solid point. It's a weekly baby hell yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so a weekly loft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Is that the hot dog person?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is that is miss miss hot Dog herself

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Speaker 1: by the way, by her book raw Dog.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh, she'll be so happy that that you referred to

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Speaker 1: her that way, snow.

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Speaker 4: Hot dog lady. You know, let's go hot dog.

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Speaker 1: Lady, my gal. But yeah, I'll look out for that one,

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Speaker 1: and then at cool Zone Media for the rest.

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Speaker 2: All right, see you on Wednesday.

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