Speaker 1: Look, oh, I see you my own look over there
Speaker 1: is that culture. Yes, goodness, loves cult.
Speaker 2: Love culturing. What voice are you picking today posts Fire Island? Well, okay,
Speaker 2: let's just here's the peak that comes behind the curtain
Speaker 2: every now and then.
Speaker 3: If you're from the fight hours ago, we got off
Speaker 3: the ferry and say, ill off of what I would say,
Speaker 3: it was a really wonderful trip.
Speaker 1: Lovely and shorter than you. We usually do sorter than usual,
Speaker 1: which is.
Speaker 3: Not necessarily a function of the quality of the trip.
Speaker 3: It's like, certainly not. You can have a short trip
Speaker 3: that's awful, or a long trip it's great.
Speaker 2: But what I love is that we typically go to
Speaker 2: Fire Island for days on end, where we scream and
Speaker 2: drink alcohol. Right before we sort of ambitionous well record
Speaker 2: the Pakistan ambitiously do the Culture Awards, sing and we
Speaker 2: put we put ourselves up there and we raise our
Speaker 2: hands and volunteer this thing difficult material.
Speaker 3: Difficult to By the time this episode releases, the Culture
Speaker 3: Awards will have happened. Yeah, our guests will have storm
Speaker 3: the stage, storm the stage, and you will be able
Speaker 3: to judge in.
Speaker 1: Posterity. Yeah, posterity, Yeah, posterity.
Speaker 2: It's like when you know what this really bothers some
Speaker 2: people when you say looking back in retrospect, it's like
Speaker 2: you're sort of.
Speaker 1: Double dipping atm machine. But sometimes you have to keep.
Speaker 2: Reminding yourselves in a sentence what you're saying, like looking
Speaker 2: back in retrospect, I can remember. It's like this is
Speaker 2: all asked and answered. But it doesn't hurt no, to
Speaker 2: keep letting the audience know what you mean.
Speaker 1: That's language.
Speaker 2: That's language. Can we rail against people who say that
Speaker 2: we say like too much.
Speaker 1: I see what you're doing. It's not going to work.
Speaker 3: We see what you're doing, and it's giving gen x,
Speaker 3: non derogatory, but it is giving gen x.
Speaker 2: I think that when sometimes when you say like in
Speaker 2: a sentence, it gives the other words power and context
Speaker 2: and no one's talking about Every language has filler words.
Speaker 2: One language we do speak pop culture. Now something has
Speaker 2: hit the headlines, and we actually laughed about it for
Speaker 2: about seven or eight minutes, which is a long time
Speaker 2: to laugh about one single news item in the car
Speaker 2: just now, but it was a really good one, and
Speaker 2: that was that Yolanda Saldivar, the I guess you know,
Speaker 2: murderer of Selena has come out and said that when
Speaker 2: she gets released, she gets paroled in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: she would love to work with Shakira.
Speaker 1: She wants to work with Shakira. That's like where she
Speaker 1: sees her next move.
Speaker 3: And then someone very funny quote tweeted quote hosted girl,
Speaker 3: you're not working with anybody when you're out. We're jumping
Speaker 3: with a pearl hit. We're jumping you what's not what's
Speaker 3: not clicking?
Speaker 1: The what's not clicking was really an important part of it.
Speaker 1: Are we allowed to jump Yolanda?
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna jump Yolanda, but I'm certainly not gonna
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say to anyone out there that's gonna
Speaker 2: jump Yolanda upon her you know, freedom down.
Speaker 3: Some people, you know did a bad thing and she
Speaker 3: is currently serving time for that thing.
Speaker 2: But and that's a real culture victual culture number thirteen
Speaker 2: did a bad thing and she is currently serving time
Speaker 2: for that thing.
Speaker 1: That's the rule. That's actually the rule.
Speaker 2: And Yolan, I would prefer if y'all want to stay
Speaker 2: locked up. Yeah, I don't want to talk about parole
Speaker 2: when it comes to you.
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about parole when it comes
Speaker 3: to Yolanda because then I think and then I think
Speaker 3: about the prison system at large, and it depresses.
Speaker 2: It's so depressing. I don't want to think about anything depressing,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, I want to live
Speaker 2: in a world of joy, happiness.
Speaker 1: And more and more. I I constantly am waking up
Speaker 1: in the morning and I think, how can I make
Speaker 1: this a wonderful day that encompasses joy, that encompasses joy? Joy?
Speaker 1: What and more? Oh? Laughter and more joy? I think
Speaker 1: what I just say?
Speaker 2: Joy? Laughter, and our brains are on too, but we're
Speaker 2: not complaining. No, Well, wait, what won the most Bowen
Speaker 2: Yang Coded Award? Oh it wasn't Matt TV's Tomato soap
Speaker 2: Tomato soapd Tomatoes. I suggested that what should win the
Speaker 2: award for most bonyang Coded Award was mad TV. I
Speaker 2: thought that would be humorous, you know, the humorous joke
Speaker 2: in the show. And Bowen got a little shy and
Speaker 2: he said, no, it should be tomato leaves. I don't disagree.
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have Matt TV be most
Speaker 2: bonyank Coded.
Speaker 3: I just think what is most bon yank coded is
Speaker 3: still is the luave not to make this anymore. A
Speaker 3: lot of the girls are doing tomatoes.
Speaker 1: And it soaps. Do you think it's because of this podcast? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think there was. People did their market research and.
Speaker 2: Here I was thinking we were tasting No, no, never, listen.
Speaker 2: I do want to say I'm happy that my most
Speaker 2: Matt Rogers coded it was the expression not for nothing,
Speaker 2: for nothing. I think that was really good and not
Speaker 2: for nothing. This episode, this little overdue. This well, it's
Speaker 2: award winning.
Speaker 1: It's award win.
Speaker 2: We've we've just gotten news that this episode has already
Speaker 2: won awards.
Speaker 1: It's in the front runner for a glad Ward. We're glad.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Like you.
Speaker 2: Just want to thank all of our LGBTQ plus supporters
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: But you know who you are.
Speaker 2: And I think we've picked a true representative of the
Speaker 2: queer community today to be on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say earlier that this is
Speaker 3: someone who encompasses the joy, laughter and more.
Speaker 1: Joy, laughter and more.
Speaker 3: I don't think about It's the opposite of me thinking
Speaker 3: about the prison system. I think about this person and
Speaker 3: I feel expansive, I feel joyful. I feel the opposite
Speaker 3: of depressed.
Speaker 2: I don't think of prison at all when I think no,
Speaker 2: I feel like, in fact, my shackles are off.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, this person say it was out with us
Speaker 3: into the dawn hours of the S and L finale.
Speaker 2: And can I say something, well, of course, so it
Speaker 2: being an arcade, there was of course a game where
Speaker 2: you kill kills with a real gun. And the way
Speaker 2: I saw her use the gun, maybe she should be
Speaker 2: in prison.
Speaker 3: Hey, lock her up, let her speak, Let's bring her
Speaker 3: in everyone, well, get a hold on before before we
Speaker 3: bring her in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's the star of Hack. I have some respect.
Speaker 3: Just finish its incredible third season, yep, and her special
Speaker 3: Everything Must Go comes out June thirteenth on HBO.
Speaker 1: It's a big moment. Can I say, right now, Bowen Yang,
Speaker 1: do it again? Do that again?
Speaker 2: Bowen Yang has his arm on my shoulder and it
Speaker 2: is a grip and if you don't know, let's go
Speaker 2: on tight on this.
Speaker 1: Cow intense the grip he has on me. Bowen Yang
Speaker 1: has me. He's choking me out through my shoulder. Everything
Speaker 1: must go. The bony shoulder.
Speaker 2: That was a fun joke from I Love That for you,
Speaker 2: like where they showed the best part of a woman,
Speaker 2: the bony shoulder.
Speaker 1: That's really fun. But that show got canceled, but it's.
Speaker 2: Coming back for season four is Hacks, and we we
Speaker 2: really want to see what happens next because it's a
Speaker 2: cliffhanger emotional.
Speaker 1: Oh, but it's it gets flipped at the end.
Speaker 2: The first time I saw our guests, I pointed to
Speaker 2: her and out loud to myself, I said star quality.
Speaker 1: And I've been saying it to this day.
Speaker 2: We will continue to say, continue to say. Everyone, please
Speaker 2: welcome into your ear.
Speaker 1: Hannah, I'm blinder. Are you already bursting out? Don't cry? Joy?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't you Why would you cry in
Speaker 1: front of us?
Speaker 2: What do we do?
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, this is so grit, but no, don't I
Speaker 4: really love you that? And now you know we love you.
Speaker 1: We've loved you all along.
Speaker 4: Read Are you bad?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's ear. I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4: Really, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: This is iconic.
Speaker 4: You got.
Speaker 1: Truly a film. This is unreal. What's happening?
Speaker 5: Is you see?
Speaker 4: For me, it's like John Paul Ringo Georgie.
Speaker 1: Like dumb because genuinely sobbing.
Speaker 2: I run.
Speaker 4: I want a radio contest to be here. I am
Speaker 4: a fan.
Speaker 1: I literally like, I feel like it's so embarrassing you
Speaker 1: haven't been on It's crazy. It's a big, big, big
Speaker 1: over We're embarrassed.
Speaker 4: Okay, was that?
Speaker 1: Did that feel like a release of other things that week?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: I I genuinely like I listened to every episode and
Speaker 4: I okay, here I go.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: It's like, I just appreciate your guys love and I
Speaker 4: appreciate you guys.
Speaker 1: Did you see the way he was grasping my soldier
Speaker 1: you felt how hard it was?
Speaker 4: Look like, genuinely I appreciate you guys sharing your love
Speaker 4: with us. And also like I have you know, like
Speaker 4: maybe you guys have this experience where like you listen
Speaker 4: to podcasts when you are hello and you're like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Not allowed it was this a pandemic thing? Did it
Speaker 1: happen during the pandemic?
Speaker 4: Totally? Totally.
Speaker 1: That's why I feel this way when I see poverty.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it can translate to film and television as well.
Speaker 1: I want people to know that it can. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I really like, it's like bowls me over that you
Speaker 2: say that, because legitimately I do remember going to just
Speaker 2: for laughs and I saw it was not the New
Speaker 2: Faces set that you did, but it was one in
Speaker 2: a smaller.
Speaker 4: Space with all the skulls.
Speaker 1: The one was that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bizarre, like there are these satellite shows
Speaker 2: that happened around the big showcase events. I just remember
Speaker 2: like you going up there and you were everyone was amazing,
Speaker 2: but like you couldn't forget you, and it's like it
Speaker 2: is it's like an intangible that you have. It was like, well,
Speaker 2: I of course remember your bit with the mic standwhich
Speaker 2: I thought was truly brilliant, and I was like, I've never.
Speaker 1: Seen this before, but like you really are.
Speaker 2: It's just like, I mean, it's so unsurprising to see
Speaker 2: that you become this like fucking star and catch you
Speaker 2: in this moment is so great. I was so happy
Speaker 2: that you could come in this week, and like it
Speaker 2: has to be a feeling, like a very big moment,
Speaker 2: like you know how it feels when like you're having
Speaker 2: like that thing like this finale came out, everyone's so
Speaker 2: emphatic about it.
Speaker 1: Now the special you're having a fucking moment bo thank you.
Speaker 4: It does feel really good. It feels really warm. I
Speaker 4: am new to being able to receive it as well,
Speaker 4: which is so nice. Oh, you know, because it kind
Speaker 4: of bounces off or it sticks for five or fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes and then it leaves the body, of course.
Speaker 1: But now you're feeling like it's it's it's keeping a bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really nice.
Speaker 2: What do you think is the instinct I want to
Speaker 2: toss that off when someone is like, hey, I see
Speaker 2: you and what you're doing is fucking great. Like, what
Speaker 2: do you think it is that makes you want to
Speaker 2: respond the way where it's like no, because I.
Speaker 1: Do get that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's just low self esteem and
Speaker 4: the inability. I don't think it's a tossing off so
Speaker 4: much as it is an inability to grasp it at all. Ah,
Speaker 4: you know, I think like it's just you know, you
Speaker 4: cannot you have to have like that feeling in yourself first,
Speaker 4: so cliche, but it feels like I also think it's
Speaker 4: like conditioned in comedians who are just so like sharks,
Speaker 4: like just you're just swimming around and then after you've eaten,
Speaker 4: you're hungry again, and it's like every set is like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that was good, and then you're only as good as
Speaker 4: your last set, and it's like this thing of like
Speaker 4: you're constantly having to reevaluate your worth and you're constantly
Speaker 4: being told externally whether you're doing.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you could get three different things in one night. Yeah, Hannah.
Speaker 3: Hannah and Tim Heidecker witnessed me spiraling at the snl
Speaker 3: F and now, oh my god, okay, really no, because
Speaker 3: my fucking update got cut.
Speaker 4: Which by the way, and it's like the costume was
Speaker 4: so like, it was so grand and I want to
Speaker 4: be in that drag and it getting cut and I.
Speaker 3: Associated, and then I was in paint cans and then
Speaker 3: you and Tim came and my brain was like wait,
Speaker 3: like that's a friend. And then I like that was
Speaker 3: my body not receiving this like stimulus of like you
Speaker 3: should be happy that this is happening now, but you
Speaker 3: are so upset and sad and furious.
Speaker 4: I cannot tell you how much I understood in the
Speaker 4: moment and now of of course, like you're in this thing.
Speaker 4: I had never seen the show in that capacity before.
Speaker 4: It is crazy. Yeah, that is psychotic.
Speaker 2: What's the thing that people don't get is like when
Speaker 2: things get cut, they get cut, and you're in the costume, a.
Speaker 4: Costume or the prosthetic or the whatever, like oh my god,
Speaker 4: You're just standing there and it's like, okay, now, like
Speaker 4: you have no time to process that is fucked up.
Speaker 4: That is fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an update that got cut during air,
Speaker 3: which I'm telling y'all doesn't happen, and the fact that
Speaker 3: it happened was what was upsetting.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, no, it's okay.
Speaker 2: We turned to you and you broke down. Both felt
Speaker 2: that felt like he could say this here with you,
Speaker 2: and I think that is kind of nice about like
Speaker 2: seeing other comedians in these spots where you never really
Speaker 2: fucking saw yourself, Like I don't know if you and
Speaker 2: you can answered this question, did you ever see yourself
Speaker 2: leading a dramedy like that really does because it's obviously
Speaker 2: hilarious show, but like you are doing some stuff on there,
Speaker 2: you are pulling a big, heavy emotional.
Speaker 1: Bags and you look across the table and guess who
Speaker 1: it is. It's the legend. It's JS, and it's JS.
Speaker 2: And I think we've all had version of this where
Speaker 2: you're like, what the fuck am I doing here? I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to be at Union Hall for like a fifteen
Speaker 2: time and I'm paying them to let me go, Exactly
Speaker 2: like I'm used to I'm used to meeting the poutine
Speaker 2: at Union Hall before I go. Yeah, literally, and that
Speaker 2: was the whole bit, was my fart, like and like
Speaker 2: they're supposed to pay me in two Brooklyn Laggers after
Speaker 2: we performed Suck. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: it's and then all of a sudden you're there with
Speaker 2: the legend. Did you ever see that for yourself? Was
Speaker 2: it comedy ever a means to an end to acting
Speaker 2: for you? Or is this like something that has happened.
Speaker 4: It is, in every possible conceivable way, something that has happened.
Speaker 4: I never once even thought about this being my life
Speaker 4: or path. I had no TI. I mean, I was
Speaker 4: in the fucking I you know, I just it was
Speaker 4: not so I didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw you doing the stand up.
Speaker 2: I was like, I know what she does is stand up,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you get up there
Speaker 2: and you're doing the thing with jam and.
Speaker 4: I'm going, what did you get your taking a risk?
Speaker 4: Paul Jenny Legia? How did you know?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: I could have done like, but how did they know?
Speaker 4: I'm like the audition scenes that I did, yes, there
Speaker 4: was there were some that were serious, but like I
Speaker 4: never cried or anything like that, Like, how could they
Speaker 4: have known it was a big I mean, I'd see
Speaker 4: it as a big gamble on their part. I'm glad
Speaker 4: they rolled the dice, yes, but like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 4: I never I never thought that I would do this
Speaker 4: at all, and it has been such a gift because,
Speaker 4: as you know, like solar performance is very isolating, and
Speaker 4: you almost don't know how isolating it is until you
Speaker 4: do it in a group. And you know, I am
Speaker 4: very much. I was just you know, stand up comedian
Speaker 4: vibes featuring touring road dot com. And now it's like
Speaker 4: totally different and I love acting. It has become a deep,
Speaker 4: deep love of mine. But I would say, yeah, stand
Speaker 4: up is definitely my first love and it was what
Speaker 4: I hoped to do it just you know, Hacks has
Speaker 4: totally made being a stand up comedian in the capacity
Speaker 4: that I have always wanted. Single handedly made it possible.
Speaker 4: Like you know, I would be the fuck Holiday and
Speaker 4: Express and goddamn wherever the fuck you know without.
Speaker 1: That's a good they actually they have good records. That's
Speaker 1: really good. And the coffees well too hot.
Speaker 4: But give it some time, give some cool.
Speaker 3: I think it's very Special that Sandy Honik directed the
Speaker 3: sashion You're I mean, just the best my bestie, bestie,
Speaker 3: but this is like, this is the thing that maybe
Speaker 3: takes it out of an isolating experience, which is bring
Speaker 3: a friend in collabor vision, you collaborate on it.
Speaker 4: Like Sandy and I were like, I mean we've just
Speaker 4: always been like, dude, you know, it would be sick, dude,
Speaker 4: you know, I'd be sick, like back and forth over
Speaker 4: the years, like if I ever got to do a special,
Speaker 4: even when it was like so far off into the future,
Speaker 4: like we'd be like stoned in the backyard, like arranging
Speaker 4: sticks and leaves, like what the stage would look like,
Speaker 4: like like legit like and also like you know, with
Speaker 4: the special, we really wanted it to feel filmic and
Speaker 4: beautiful and create a certain aesthetic and reference various like
Speaker 4: like film hormances, and it just was this thing where
Speaker 4: like we had total creative synergy on this, like in
Speaker 4: the post process, like every single day, like literally she
Speaker 4: would be behind me and we'd be looking at the
Speaker 4: edit and we'd be trying to tell our editor like
Speaker 4: where we want to cut, and we'd clap in unison
Speaker 4: and it would be like i'd turn back because we're
Speaker 4: just like on the same wlad.
Speaker 3: Like when it's two people. When when too consciousness is
Speaker 3: you for mind, you create a mind totally.
Speaker 4: And she's a comedian as well, obviously. Yeah, so she
Speaker 4: and I would she would open for me on the
Speaker 4: road sometimes, and like she's seen My Hour in its
Speaker 4: various iterations, and so she really knew the material and
Speaker 4: she has the ability in the live performance to go
Speaker 4: now you know all that stuff because she is so
Speaker 4: in it with me and we just laugh and laugh
Speaker 4: and laugh and go what would be the most gorgeous thing?
Speaker 4: And then we do that. It's awesome.
Speaker 2: I just feel like she is so limitless in terms
Speaker 2: of her talent. I mean, like like I just get
Speaker 2: so excited about Sandy all the time. I get excited
Speaker 2: about Sandy on screen. I get excited about what she
Speaker 2: does with photo. I get excited about this, like her writing,
Speaker 2: Like I would imagine that it's not just about.
Speaker 1: Her being so talented in terms of knowing what she
Speaker 1: wants and knowing what.
Speaker 2: You want, but also her being really gifted at being
Speaker 2: able to hold space for you as someone who I'm
Speaker 2: gauging is like very emotional, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like it matters a lot. I know that they always say, likeways,
Speaker 2: you always say, don't take yourself so seriously, don't take
Speaker 2: yourself so seriously. And we get to a certain place
Speaker 2: because we've followed that advice, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're forced too, and it's like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know how to do this.
Speaker 2: So just turning around and looking and seeing someone that
Speaker 2: you really trust, that's like we're figuring it out together.
Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm not gonna let you look stupid. If
Speaker 2: you look stupid, we're both gonna look stupid. So let's
Speaker 2: fucking go for it and do the thing that we
Speaker 2: know we can do it. Just you believe it because
Speaker 2: that person has never given you like reason to doubt them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm literally pointing at him because that's who
Speaker 1: it is for me.
Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say, Like, you guys
Speaker 4: know the specific type of synergy that occurs when you
Speaker 4: are creating something with someone you really love, who really
Speaker 4: knows you, and you do create one mind Ah, that
Speaker 4: is really that is as good as it gets.
Speaker 2: Like you did you feel like when you did the special,
Speaker 2: like you were able to walk away and be like
Speaker 2: I did it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I did it the best I fucking could.
Speaker 4: Well, Okay, I have a question for you. Did you
Speaker 4: do two shows?
Speaker 1: Did you do one to one right after another?
Speaker 2: And because it was singing, I felt really scared, And
Speaker 2: then once it was done, I was like, Okay, thank
Speaker 2: god we did too right back to back because.
Speaker 1: It was fine in the edit.
Speaker 4: How much did you use of like split?
Speaker 1: We went like song by song.
Speaker 2: If I thought I gave a better performance than the one,
Speaker 2: I just used the whole take of that song, and
Speaker 2: then there was some creative stuff. But because it's music,
Speaker 2: it's a little different. But yes, we used a lot
Speaker 2: of both, a lot of both, and sometimes there was
Speaker 2: a little vanity in it.
Speaker 4: So I and this definitely also speaks to the like
Speaker 4: it's good to have someone there who knows you and
Speaker 4: who can be like holding. I use majority late show
Speaker 4: because I think just generally, like the first show is
Speaker 4: filled with the people who bought tickets early. They were
Speaker 4: there on time, they lined up at five pm. They
Speaker 4: are there for the early show. They're like just applause
Speaker 4: after every you know, after every joke where I'm going
Speaker 4: like too much.
Speaker 1: You're excited to see me, was that good?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I definitely ended up using more of the
Speaker 4: late show, and I was in a place after the
Speaker 4: early show and people constantly say this to me, and
Speaker 4: they have always said this to me, and I am
Speaker 4: happy that this is the case. But it is that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'll feel a certain way after a set
Speaker 4: and people go, are you serious? You look so confident
Speaker 4: because my like if you will persona is like a
Speaker 4: very heightened version of myself. It is confident, like swaggy whatever.
Speaker 4: And so like the first performance, like I wanted to
Speaker 4: kill I literally, I know what it's going to be
Speaker 4: after I say, good evening the first thing, and it's
Speaker 4: like they were warm and they were there, but like
Speaker 4: there was the crowd, no shade, thank you for the support.
Speaker 4: They lack of sexuality, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 4: want people to have be a little licked up. I
Speaker 4: want a couple of drinks in like you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. I want them loose. And so the first
Speaker 4: show was giving you know, there was a platonic energy
Speaker 4: in the crowd.
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful energy to when you're committing it to film.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, that's right. So it did end
Speaker 4: up being like, you know, first show, I was like,
Speaker 4: like I genuinely was in the back going like maybe
Speaker 4: maybe stand up isn't meant to be film, Maybe maybe
Speaker 4: it's all for not. Maybe maybe we we shouldn't have
Speaker 4: it was a fool's era, and we I should stay live,
Speaker 4: I should stay on the road. And then the second show,
Speaker 4: I was like I am a god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So you're able to exist in both
Speaker 2: those things. I wonder like when you were younger, when
Speaker 2: you were like first starting out, were you someone that
Speaker 2: was like, I can do this because I know I
Speaker 2: can do it, or were you someone that was like,
Speaker 2: I'm being trepidacious and I'm going to prove it to myself.
Speaker 4: I mean, it definitely was like show to show, Mike
Speaker 4: to Mike, performance to performance, like oscillating, but I definitely
Speaker 4: think that I quickly learned that, like, yeah, we go
Speaker 4: up at the open mic with things that we think
Speaker 4: are like I think this is as good as and
Speaker 4: all my other good ship, and they just are telling
Speaker 4: you no. They are telling you now, no problem, and
Speaker 4: it's like agree to disagree. But also like audience is
Speaker 4: king like they actually ultimately never wrong, They're never wrong,
Speaker 4: and they decide so and they decide I'm glad, which
Speaker 4: is so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're talking about it. I love talking
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I had like this is an analogy. I
Speaker 4: guess it's like do doctors performing surgery for a crowd,
Speaker 4: like have them weigh in, and it's like, wait, should
Speaker 4: I'm I'm the expert. Actually, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like sometimes I do feel that in my jadedness where
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, wait, but it's you, I'm It's I'm
Speaker 4: the one, and it's I know that isn't the case.
Speaker 4: And ultimately, like they do win every time and thank
Speaker 4: you to the audience, but sometimes it's frustrating.
Speaker 3: This is a thing that I like about working and
Speaker 3: as is that the people who run it have always
Speaker 3: abided by this notion of the audience is always right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they know better than me do Like it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: what I let's say, Lorden Michaels thinks, like is the
Speaker 3: best piece of comedy. They are the arbiters in every situation,
Speaker 3: no exceptions, and like that is I think for me,
Speaker 3: what's getting a lot of like getting in the way
Speaker 3: of like this generational divide.
Speaker 1: In terms of like what comedy is.
Speaker 3: It's like it's these comedians who are like, oh, like
Speaker 3: the audiences have changed, and they're not they're wrong now. No,
Speaker 3: it's it's just that they've they've always been right. They
Speaker 3: were right back in the day. They're right now.
Speaker 4: It's you who's changed.
Speaker 1: You who's changed. It's you who has not changed, right right,
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 3: You are the fixed point. And maybe that's the problem.
Speaker 3: And like I think this is a good thing for
Speaker 3: everyone to have personally, Yeah, totally, Like is just this
Speaker 3: this way of like.
Speaker 1: Filling in the container. Yeah, and you hold like.
Speaker 4: Look as a performer and as someone who gets on stage,
Speaker 4: like you have this feeling of like, ah, I had
Speaker 4: faith in this thing. I believed in this thing, in
Speaker 4: this joke, whatever it may be. But yeah, like at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, really it's just not up
Speaker 4: to you. And that's like fine, that's what it is. Yes,
Speaker 4: And ultimately, like you do get that feedback, especially when
Speaker 4: you tour, like you do get that feedback across the board. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's really rare that it's like, oh, it's didn't work
Speaker 4: everywhere and then it worked here, Like it's very ye.
Speaker 4: And then if it does it's like you can't trust that.
Speaker 4: You have to trust the failure actually, and you're also not.
Speaker 2: Going to win in litigation against the audience, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's like afterwards, it's it is over.
Speaker 2: It should live and die there, and there should be
Speaker 2: something to be learned from that. But it feels like
Speaker 2: a not only is this conversation that a lot of
Speaker 2: people are having about how like older comics and from
Speaker 2: another generation and you know the icons that are like
Speaker 2: constantly reilling against this, it kind of just feels like
Speaker 2: this is not an interesting topic and if you haven't
Speaker 2: discovered that, you can't say anything funny about it.
Speaker 1: Now move on.
Speaker 2: I was like really happy about what Julia Louis Dreyfus
Speaker 2: was that she said it was in response to this
Speaker 2: idea of like kind of everyone of that male generation
Speaker 2: being like, you know, the audiences are fucked up. You know,
Speaker 2: Seinfeld says what he says, et cetera. And we've all
Speaker 2: heard odd nauseum from the usual suspects about how woke
Speaker 2: culture is killing comedy. But she was like, I feel
Speaker 2: like it's a huge red flat when we're so fixated
Speaker 2: on this, And she was like, what's really killing comedy,
Speaker 2: and what's really killing content is the consolidation of wealth
Speaker 2: and power, which is in and of itself kind of
Speaker 2: a way to drag them and not for nothing, not blown,
Speaker 2: not like revealing anything here, but she knows wealth, I mean,
Speaker 2: like Julia Lewis dragon total like she you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's like she understands like.
Speaker 1: How it all works and how it all moves.
Speaker 2: And to be in power in comedy, I mean, she's
Speaker 2: been one of the brand names of comedy since the nineties.
Speaker 2: So to look around and see everyone fixating on this
Speaker 2: thing and it's not getting funny or a more interesting
Speaker 2: from that vantage point, it's like this is also a
Speaker 2: worthwhile opinion here, which is just like maybe we need
Speaker 2: to look a little bit about how we are uncomfortable
Speaker 2: with the fact that we can't necessarily swing our dicks as.
Speaker 1: Big and as loud anymore. Maybe that's our issue.
Speaker 4: And it's like the greatest numbers, like what Dave Chappelle's
Speaker 4: Netflix deal was like sixty million dollars and they offer
Speaker 4: like our peers, like two hundred k all told all
Speaker 4: production costs to pay every single person on the crew,
Speaker 4: every single fee, every single everything yeah, you're in the
Speaker 4: you're in the in the red. By the end of it,
Speaker 4: it's like, what's that you guys don't have like you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, It's it's just crazy.
Speaker 1: Like we're all doing a comedy show on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Not that it like compares to like anything that like
Speaker 3: is out there in the sort of content mass, but
Speaker 3: like we are putting up a show where we're not
Speaker 3: necessarily like walking out with a big like not at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not what it's for, Like all that is
Speaker 1: going into the show itself.
Speaker 3: And it's like totally fine for like an older generation
Speaker 3: of comedians to be like, well, culture is killing comedy.
Speaker 3: But it's like Seinfeld is taking a step further by
Speaker 3: saying that's why comedies don't get made anymore, right, He's
Speaker 3: like he's like that's why like comedy movies don't open
Speaker 3: or don't get like theatrical releases. Like he's like blaming
Speaker 3: it on that, which I think is like so interesting,
Speaker 3: because there are means to make comedies every day we
Speaker 3: are doing on our little scale, like and it's fun
Speaker 3: and it's we think it's different than like what's out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like not not that I'm like, no
Speaker 1: one knows why anything doesn't work either.
Speaker 2: It's like again, it's just like the audience didn't want
Speaker 2: to see it, and they're again they're not wrong, and
Speaker 2: they're not wrong.
Speaker 4: Well, I think often sometimes people in power are inherently
Speaker 4: risk averse, and so like our job is inherently we
Speaker 4: are prone to risk, and so that is where the
Speaker 4: incongruency lies. And it's like they're just not they they
Speaker 4: need something that is so so obvious in their minds
Speaker 4: to work in their minds to take a chance on it,
Speaker 4: which is just I guess like a product of you know,
Speaker 4: the new streaming era and all of the growth that
Speaker 4: they need to create and this like ever rising level
Speaker 4: of monetary gain that needs to be in place. It's
Speaker 4: like just you know, to Julia's point, that is what's happening.
Speaker 2: It's just like so shitty, Like what there's so many
Speaker 2: like young comics that are like rising up that are
Speaker 2: like and yet this dominating common Harry is like, well,
Speaker 2: comedy is dead, Like comedy is not happening. This is
Speaker 2: what's killed comedy. It's like, look around, like there's there's
Speaker 2: great comedians and it does feel obviously very sexist and
Speaker 2: you know, homophobic and racist, and it's undertones and all
Speaker 2: those things.
Speaker 1: But it's just like, where are the jokes about this?
Speaker 2: Make it funny, Make it funny, you know, dance for
Speaker 2: us monkey like you did in the beginning, Jerry Seinfeld.
Speaker 2: Literally in my first job, Jerry Seinfeld, really given, My
Speaker 2: first job was in a sketch on comedians and cars
Speaker 2: getting caught and Michael Richards. It was the Jimmy Fallon episode.
Speaker 2: And this was back in the day when it was
Speaker 2: on Crackle Crackle, and like I came out and like
Speaker 2: played like a some version of a gay assistant who
Speaker 2: was like, you know, taking their pressed juice order and everything.
Speaker 2: But it was me, Michael Richards and Jerry Snfeld and
Speaker 2: it was the first time I had seen Michael Richards
Speaker 2: act or do anything since since, which I have to
Speaker 2: imagine does inform the way that a lot of people
Speaker 2: like seeing people get canceled in like an o G way,
Speaker 2: like notwithstanding whether they absolutely deserved it or not. But
Speaker 2: she's like, huh, this could happen. I'm I have my
Speaker 2: guard up now, and now it's the opportunity for this
Speaker 2: brown swell of like.
Speaker 1: How do we like theirs their right right right.
Speaker 4: I will say I love comedians and cars getting coffee,
Speaker 4: but it is like, so oh my god, all of
Speaker 4: the like like Jim Carrey and Gary Shandling and like, no,
Speaker 4: it's great, all of the fucking incredible, just like a
Speaker 4: window into like these people in a way that we've
Speaker 4: never seen them before.
Speaker 1: You like cars, I do like cars.
Speaker 4: I like to drive.
Speaker 1: You like to drive. I love driving. You love the
Speaker 1: open road?
Speaker 4: I love driving?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Freedom, great show for your season two. Must have
Speaker 2: felt incredible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, totally in the bus in the sticking my
Speaker 4: head out like a dog. Oh yeah, tongue clapping around
Speaker 4: the wind. Yeah that's me.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I do picture it. Go ahead of the
Speaker 1: special or handa driving, handah driving. What do you listen
Speaker 1: to in the damn car?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: A lot of classics, A lot of classic classic rock America. Bread,
Speaker 4: hand read, you know what I mean, Steely Dan, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Fucking the Eagles man, Okay.
Speaker 1: I wonder Hanson is probably clutching their heart to be
Speaker 1: able to be mentioned. Bread. People really like right off? Bread?
Speaker 1: What's with that?
Speaker 4: What's with that?
Speaker 1: We're also tired. You got to come out of here.
Speaker 1: And workshop these jokes to find out doesn't lie. That
Speaker 1: wasn't good. They didn't like that bread joke. It got
Speaker 1: a respond.
Speaker 3: Maybe there's an absolute value to keep coming back a response.
Speaker 3: Then it means it's something.
Speaker 1: All right. So we're talking about getting on the open.
Speaker 2: And when I think about you driving and listening to music,
Speaker 2: I think about you consuming culture, which leads me to
Speaker 2: sort of like as the question, the big question from
Speaker 2: the podcast, which is Hannah, I minder, what was the
Speaker 2: culture that made you say culture was for you?
Speaker 4: Here we go, bring it on.
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 4: So I saw bring it on when I was far
Speaker 4: too young to see it. It would have been considered
Speaker 4: quote unquote inappropriate.
Speaker 1: Got it number.
Speaker 4: I would say, I was seven, and you know, they're
Speaker 4: talking BJ, they're talking F, they're talking you know several
Speaker 4: other letters, you know what I mean. Yeah, so so
Speaker 4: in the air well that actually, you know, I would
Speaker 4: say that my liberal Los Angeles Jewish family was actually
Speaker 4: being like, okay, slay to that. But words et cetera, yea,
Speaker 4: like a douchew that's not for my child, crocked, crocked. Sorry,
Speaker 4: that's that's one of my little me and me and Sandy.
Speaker 4: We actually Crocked c r O c K Crock Time
Speaker 4: c r O c K T well titled that rock
Speaker 4: Crocked Sandy feels. Ok Oh, if I may just a sidebary,
Speaker 4: I have a couple more words that we've kind of
Speaker 4: please have been in the rotation, So if and you
Speaker 4: guys can please feel free to use this, no need
Speaker 4: to credit me whatsoever. Like I just kind of want
Speaker 4: this to permeate the culture, if you will. So this
Speaker 4: word is sponge. Sponge would be said when you take
Speaker 4: something in so completely that it becomes you fun.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of that's sponge spun.
Speaker 4: But you know what I mean if somebody says something
Speaker 4: that feels like it's almost church, you know, gospel sponge,
Speaker 4: but I'm absorbing that sponge, I like, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, I like. And then another one would be
Speaker 4: something is so left And that's just when something's not.
Speaker 1: Right right, you know what I mean, Like it had
Speaker 1: done been gone left.
Speaker 4: Exactly, I would say, exactly, the discourse is less, it's
Speaker 4: left left, the party.
Speaker 1: Left, it was left.
Speaker 4: We we had fun and then like around like one
Speaker 4: kind of left, know, like.
Speaker 1: After Hannah shot down the zombies the arcade.
Speaker 4: It just went left.
Speaker 1: It just left. There was no right after that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, say that you really tore it up. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was kind of my first time on the on the
Speaker 4: g on the gun. Well you know it was, but
Speaker 4: you know I kind of got into my like mister
Speaker 4: and missus Smith to see a little bit picturing you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was like I was Angelina in that moment. It
Speaker 4: was kind of that.
Speaker 3: I do want a Hannah Einbinder movie in which not
Speaker 3: to glorify this, but in which she holds a gun.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to do that. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to do action because you should as as aforementioned.
Speaker 4: And I will circle back. I was a competitive cheer
Speaker 4: leader for years and so I am agile.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to Bring it On.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So, so.
Speaker 4: I saw Bring it On at like seven or eight,
Speaker 4: and I said, this is my life now.
Speaker 1: So I uh my first year from I'm sexy, I'm cute,
Speaker 1: I'm popular, but like from.
Speaker 4: Yes first vivid and uh uh uh wait, I'm sexy,
Speaker 4: I'm cute, I'm popular, the boys all up to stare.
Speaker 4: I'm wanted, I'm hot, I'm everything you're not.
Speaker 1: I smile, I'm cool. I dominated this school. I just guys,
Speaker 1: I want to touch my chest.
Speaker 4: I rocking, I smile and anything.
Speaker 1: Vile, I sile, I jump. You can look, but don't
Speaker 1: you humph. I'm major.
Speaker 2: I roar, I swear a whore.
Speaker 1: We cheer and we lead. We act like ground.
Speaker 2: CEA hate us because we're beautiful, lowlea like you either
Speaker 2: weren't your leaders.
Speaker 1: We aren't your leaders. All come eating Red, I'm Courtney round.
Speaker 1: I made my color.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just godzzy, I'm still big Red.
Speaker 1: I sizzle, I scorched, and now I pass the torch.
Speaker 1: The ballance are in and one girl has to win Turkey.
Speaker 1: She's lying and now she's in kicking the chorus you're taking.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna made rs your captains.
Speaker 1: We are the mighty monitors were so terrific. It must
Speaker 1: be guitars. Wow, that lived right.
Speaker 4: Anyway? So I saw that, and obviously I was radicalized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you know what I mean? Did you
Speaker 1: just see us all chip like?
Speaker 2: It is an iconic opening to a movie, iconic that
Speaker 2: they should teach in school.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's one million and and I would have
Speaker 4: liked to see that in film school. But you know,
Speaker 4: they got to show. I gotta watch the Bicycle Thief, whatever.
Speaker 1: The many times brutiful Laundrette.
Speaker 4: No exactly, thank you, thank you anyway, but that but.
Speaker 1: That film you're seeing it in the theaters. You can
Speaker 1: remember saying it saw that.
Speaker 4: I got it. I saw it at home. I believe
Speaker 4: it was PHS and or possibly a DVD. And I
Speaker 4: saw that and I said I have to do this.
Speaker 4: And so that summer I was enrolled in a cheer camp.
Speaker 1: Not being comedy, you're acting, actually cheerleading. Actually how you know?
Speaker 1: It really works?
Speaker 4: It really worked. It is culture that made me say
Speaker 4: life was for me. Yeah, okay, I said, I'm going
Speaker 4: to keep living.
Speaker 2: Actually, now I was like, is any is it all
Speaker 2: the cheerleading or is any part of it the tickle
Speaker 2: which is what I call it when you start to
Speaker 2: feel a little bit LGBTQ.
Speaker 4: Plus well, of course, missy guy, I transferred from Los
Speaker 4: Angeles your school. It's a dynastics team.
Speaker 1: This is the last visitor, I mean.
Speaker 4: And by the way, it's like and then like, y'all
Speaker 4: remember stick it.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I never saw a sticket, but I suggest.
Speaker 4: I suggest seeing it. It's really really awesome and also
Speaker 4: very LGBT, of course specifically l if you will and
Speaker 4: I will, you know what I mean. So yeah, it
Speaker 4: definitely was, of course, I mean and then like, but
Speaker 4: I'm a cheerleader obviously, like okay, well and I saw
Speaker 4: that when I was already out, but you know, so,
Speaker 4: so yeah, I enrolled in cheer camp and then I
Speaker 4: joined a competitive team that was a co ed team
Speaker 4: in Marina del Rey.
Speaker 1: And what age is this? Now?
Speaker 4: This is now I'm kind of blurry on my past generally,
Speaker 4: but this is probably nine because I've been like from
Speaker 4: like seven, I was like in cheer camp, and then
Speaker 4: like nine to maybe eleven, I was on this one
Speaker 4: team in Marina del Ray and then I switched to
Speaker 4: an all girls gym in Pasadena and we competed all
Speaker 4: over the country and it was like wow, yeah competitive, Yes.
Speaker 2: Like y'all were in Yes, yes, like you were the Ranchocarnates.
Speaker 4: Even more so, I would say, like even more yeah,
Speaker 4: which you know, it is hard to do, especially in
Speaker 4: LA in the LA area, it's more of like the
Speaker 4: middle of the country South type thing.
Speaker 3: You and CD Green need to really connect on this
Speaker 3: because she has done a lot of research on like
Speaker 3: youth cheers.
Speaker 4: Yes, cheerleading, Yes, yes, that is. It's a wild world,
Speaker 4: wild world. And I will say that I credit a
Speaker 4: lot of my determination for perfection and hard work to cheerleading.
Speaker 1: Because you know, nothing else was acceptable.
Speaker 4: No, it's hurt, genuinely. It's like, do you want to fly?
Speaker 4: Then you better? You better sore for perfection, darling. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean, because I'll knock you back down
Speaker 4: to backspot in a second. You want to stay on
Speaker 4: the ground, then hit the goddamn heill strike.
Speaker 1: I am very afraid.
Speaker 4: I'm giving you one tent right now. I'm giving you
Speaker 4: one ten.
Speaker 1: I believe that you're only give me one ten.
Speaker 2: Looks and you are looking at me in my eyes,
Speaker 2: and I am not stepping You know what I mean
Speaker 2: when you say so, did you ever like sort of
Speaker 2: because you are you do have this power.
Speaker 1: Did you rise to the levels of leadership?
Speaker 4: I was captain of the varsity cheer My god, this
Speaker 4: is high school. So then, of course I went to
Speaker 4: my high school career, which was actually quite tragic, because
Speaker 4: you know, I came from this intense world and this
Speaker 4: was such a huge part of my identity. And then
Speaker 4: in high school, you know these girls, you know there
Speaker 4: were a couple of girls. I want to shout out
Speaker 4: Kayla countrymen and how to use the LAC and how
Speaker 4: to use the LAC. They came from competitive cheerleading. Kayla
Speaker 4: came from competitive cheer in Central California. Heidi from Georgia.
Speaker 4: And so these girls they were coming into JV try
Speaker 4: out standing tucks, you know what I mean, Like they
Speaker 4: were they were ready to got you. You know what
Speaker 4: I mean, they were ready to go. And the rest
Speaker 4: of the girls, you know, I shouldn't speak, I shouldn't
Speaker 4: speak out of turn. I'm sure they had. You know, Look,
Speaker 4: it just we were on different pages. We were just
Speaker 4: on different pages.
Speaker 1: No, And that's that's nobody's fault.
Speaker 4: It's nobody's fault.
Speaker 1: It's just how it's what the configuration wasn't exactly you.
Speaker 3: Kala and Heidi were coming from yea a particular let's say,
Speaker 3: stocks of cheer That's right.
Speaker 4: We were striving for perfection. And the other girls were,
Speaker 4: you know, they were they were on the team.
Speaker 1: Sure. So then when you get to the end of
Speaker 1: high school, is there a moment of torrents where you're like,
Speaker 1: what is my life now?
Speaker 4: So I was used to like very intense conditioning, springboard,
Speaker 4: like professional cheerleading equipment, all of these things, and I
Speaker 4: was kind of you know, I went from tumbling on
Speaker 4: like a gymnastics floor to grass and track. So at
Speaker 4: football games, we'd be on the track and I'd be
Speaker 4: doing like, you know, seven back handsprings in a row
Speaker 4: or something, and it would be like this thing of
Speaker 4: like I'm kind of it's hard on the body. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And over time I gradually lost skill, and I will
Speaker 4: never forget the last time I threw around up by
Speaker 4: canspring tuck and then I got swooped.
Speaker 1: I got scared, and it was like it was like
Speaker 1: this is the last oh you felt leave.
Speaker 4: I did a round off by can spring and I
Speaker 4: sprung up to do the tuck and I couldn't, Like
Speaker 4: I genuinely, I genuinely could not do the back tuck.
Speaker 4: And it was just like I walked away like it
Speaker 4: was just gone.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: I was, yeah, I left me, and she was you do.
Speaker 2: You think, in confronting that moment that that was an
Speaker 2: emotional slash mental block or do you believe that it
Speaker 2: was physical and your body was just like we have
Speaker 2: exceeded the time where this is like a safe thing
Speaker 2: for us to do.
Speaker 4: It was emotional and mental. Wow. I had poured so
Speaker 4: much time and effort into the team into trying to
Speaker 4: get gym space for the girls to tried up their skill,
Speaker 4: to try to work on. Okay, how about everybody goes
Speaker 4: for a back can spring? We try to make that
Speaker 4: the goal and the whole team can do a standing
Speaker 4: by can't spring? And you know, the amount of effort
Speaker 4: and time and concern I poured into the high school
Speaker 4: team was you know, it was a lot. You could
Speaker 4: call it unhealthy. I was very very serious about it,
Speaker 4: like very serious, but I know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Y'all were high school students. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like this is you don't know what how big
Speaker 3: the vessel is for you to pour all your yourself into.
Speaker 3: And you sound like you were a great, great captain,
Speaker 3: Thank you fantastic, But well probably.
Speaker 2: Because it was because if you weren't, then what you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? I just remember, like I was
Speaker 2: captain on my track team, and I also got to
Speaker 2: like a place where I remember it just it became
Speaker 2: my identity in a way where it was like okay.
Speaker 2: So then at the end of it, when you do
Speaker 2: ultimately decide to walk away the breakdown you have, like
Speaker 2: do you have like a breakdown? Because I remember calling
Speaker 2: my father and telling him I had done a week
Speaker 2: of the track team at n y U, and then
Speaker 2: I was like it was became so clear that I
Speaker 2: was meant to pursue other things and actually try to
Speaker 2: become myself and stop and track was amazing, but like
Speaker 2: it was a crutch for me to get through high
Speaker 2: school being good at that and having purpose and having authority.
Speaker 2: No one could like check you or fuck with you
Speaker 2: because you were an effective part of something that was
Speaker 2: like accepted in the school as being a worthwhile social
Speaker 2: and physical thing. He's on the diversity team, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And when I had to call my father and tell
Speaker 2: him that I was leaving the team, I didn't even
Speaker 2: know I was going to get that upset because it's
Speaker 2: not just you quitting that, it's you quitting this thing
Speaker 2: that's been definitive. Yes, that thing that's defined you, that's
Speaker 2: been most associated with you and being productive and successful.
Speaker 4: Was your dad, like sports dad at the games, like
Speaker 4: super cheerleader vibes.
Speaker 2: My dad was pretty much if he didn't start as
Speaker 2: the coach of everything I did, finish the coach of
Speaker 2: everything like that. Like he I remember, he was very
Speaker 2: unhappy with like the coaching I was getting in track
Speaker 2: and field season wise. Cross country wasn't good enough, swinder
Speaker 2: trap wasn't good enough, springtrack wasn't good enough. So he
Speaker 2: ended up learning how to coach it and then was
Speaker 2: the pretty much the best track coach I had ever had.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, okay, so it was it was a loss
Speaker 4: for both of you.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't think so, because he was like,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I just want you to be happy
Speaker 2: and do something. He was like, go right for the
Speaker 2: school paper or whatever, whatever's going to like motivate you.
Speaker 2: But I didn't get that because, like you're saying, it's
Speaker 2: like it has to be this thing that's like because
Speaker 2: I don't know what I even am. Yes, So that's
Speaker 2: why it's frustrating, is because like I don't know who
Speaker 2: I am, and us all being I think closeted queer
Speaker 2: at the time, probably that is extra scary because you're like, no,
Speaker 2: it means something like I have to have an identity.
Speaker 2: If I don't have an identity, especially like when you're
Speaker 2: going to college and we went to New York for
Speaker 2: college where everyone knows who they are and everyone knows
Speaker 2: where they're going, and everyone's busy and everyone's plugged in,
Speaker 2: and suddenly you're like, whoa, I'm not that and I'm.
Speaker 1: Used to being that.
Speaker 4: Yes, it is a huge identity crisis. And it's like
Speaker 4: you see did y'all watch the Kelsey that documentary?
Speaker 3: Kel see the Jason Kelsey Dogs Jason.
Speaker 4: It was so cool, it was like this, It felt
Speaker 4: like it will resonate because it like explored this thing
Speaker 4: where like an athlete has to walk away from their
Speaker 4: sport and like because your body just whatever, whatever the reason.
Speaker 4: In my case as well, I was also graduating in
Speaker 4: the college that I went to didn't have like their
Speaker 4: tier team was dancers with mom moms. It wasn't actually
Speaker 4: and like for whatever reason, like walking away. It is
Speaker 4: a huge identity crisis and it's so devastating and frankly
Speaker 4: not to get dark, but you look at some of
Speaker 4: those episodes of Intervention, a lot of them were like
Speaker 4: I was an athlete and then my knee got whatever
Speaker 4: and then blah blah blah, Like it is really like
Speaker 4: truly having your identity be like roped into athleticism or
Speaker 4: any career that has like an expiration date on, like
Speaker 4: it's connected to your body in any way, Like it's
Speaker 4: really fucked up. It's really dark.
Speaker 2: At the Culture War because she that athletic Anderstry had
Speaker 2: to go somewhere.
Speaker 4: It's legit. It is so dark and real.
Speaker 1: That movie was so much better than.
Speaker 4: I think My Lucky Stars. I found comedy because that.
Speaker 1: Yes, when did this come in? This came in in college.
Speaker 4: I just was kind of loitering and I started talking
Speaker 4: to a kid who you know, was working on like
Speaker 4: I went to film school, I went to Chatty University,
Speaker 4: I went to Dodge College, and I just was talking
Speaker 4: to this kid. I was appeaying on a film set
Speaker 4: and he was like, you're funny. You should try out
Speaker 4: for the improv team and stuff. I did try out
Speaker 4: for the improv team, and I did do that, and
Speaker 4: I was really not good at it. But I I
Speaker 4: then lost cultures dos Fath. Nicole Byer came to my college,
Speaker 4: came to Chapman, and she asked if anyone from the
Speaker 4: improv team wanted to open for her, and I volunteered,
Speaker 4: and that was the first time I did stand.
Speaker 1: Up that allowed you to volunteer. Well.
Speaker 4: I loved to stand up so much, and I also
Speaker 4: felt so bad about how bad an improv I was
Speaker 4: because I really was so in my head in a
Speaker 4: way that you cannot be to do that.
Speaker 2: Well sure, and and you being someone who's a perfectionist,
Speaker 2: she's like, You're like, I will be good at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1: I will not fail.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. And just being like I love stand up
Speaker 4: so much. I listened to albums all the time, like
Speaker 4: maybe I could do that, Maybe I could try that
Speaker 4: the way I tried Improvin. So I wrote like eight
Speaker 4: minutes and just open for her, and it was like
Speaker 4: literally I never went back. Ah yeah, changed everything she made.
Speaker 4: She made it possible for me.
Speaker 1: You you've talked about this before.
Speaker 4: I have told her since I ran into her. I
Speaker 4: was like thank you, and she's really she was really
Speaker 4: sweet about it.
Speaker 2: You know what's so funny, Like not funny, it's just
Speaker 2: like I love that that can then be something that
Speaker 2: you were able to tell her.
Speaker 1: I remember, like years.
Speaker 2: Ago, you know, you remember how Michelle Buteau performed our
Speaker 2: Welcome Week and I just remember feeling so wrecked because
Speaker 2: like I had quit that.
Speaker 1: Team and like comedy was something I knew I could
Speaker 1: go to.
Speaker 2: Because everyone's gonna we were all gonna laugh, and at
Speaker 2: least that would be a release and it being her
Speaker 2: like someone who I thought was genuinely so funny and
Speaker 2: like like we will all have that cathartic moment. And
Speaker 2: then to know her later and see her get the
Speaker 2: success that she's had obviously Nicole is also huge, yea.
Speaker 2: But to have the outlet for that be like you
Speaker 2: really fucking made a difference, Like that's like this major.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so major, and it's like the most I mean,
Speaker 4: especially to like watch Nicole is also sets an example
Speaker 4: for you, like to continue to kind of pay it
Speaker 4: forward and be like how can I reach back and
Speaker 4: like figure out how to like facilitate that for other
Speaker 4: people the most incredible gift and honor to be able
Speaker 4: to do it as well. Truly, my god, I love
Speaker 4: this ship. I love this as good as hell.
Speaker 1: Recently, I'm sponge the entire time with you?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Am I using that right? Fun I'm spunge. You don't
Speaker 1: say I am sponge. You can just say sponge sponge, but.
Speaker 4: You can say like genuinely like it's like we made
Speaker 4: it up. You know, I am Sponge.
Speaker 3: The grammar is very Sandy and Hannah, and I know
Speaker 3: I want to honor that it is rocked.
Speaker 1: We're very crop said that.
Speaker 2: But speaking of Sponge, like the bringing on of it
Speaker 2: all like that, especially formatively at a time when you're
Speaker 2: seeing kids like again kids they're played by adults, but
Speaker 2: like you see that world of high school. I remember
Speaker 2: being so blown away a that high schools could have
Speaker 2: hallways that were outside California must be the promise.
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on here?
Speaker 2: And all those La high schools were all outside hallways
Speaker 2: like the Cuckoo one where She's all that, which, by
Speaker 2: the way, watch that again.
Speaker 1: Easy movies, hold up, Easy School.
Speaker 2: Like all them like, but that was wild to watch
Speaker 2: them and have bit the space and how I hot
Speaker 2: they all were, et cetera. I will also point out
Speaker 2: it opened a door to that type of comedy for me,
Speaker 2: yeah and maybe for you too, where it was like, well,
Speaker 2: Kirsten Duns was huge, yeah, and then playing on stars
Speaker 2: all the time was bringing on. And then also there
Speaker 2: was drop dead gorgeous and I think that was also
Speaker 2: the that opened the door to like character acting for me.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, she's in this, and she's in
Speaker 2: this and it's different, and I know her from Jumanji.
Speaker 2: Let me find out everything I need to know, Like,
Speaker 2: do you get like whenever you see an actor from
Speaker 2: that movie, whether they're doing a lot or doing a little,
Speaker 2: you must like completely my.
Speaker 4: God, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 4: I was watching like I was in a hotel room.
Speaker 4: I had a random channel on, you guys. I literally
Speaker 4: saw Missy acting in a courtroom drama like a couple weeks.
Speaker 1: Ago, Eliza out there. Yeah, yeah, like I and I had.
Speaker 4: Not seen her since, and I was like, hell, mother
Speaker 4: fucking yeah, she's killing it. She's serious, she's acting, she's gorgeous,
Speaker 4: She's still incredibly gorgeous, and she I just was like
Speaker 4: I could not believe it had been so long for
Speaker 4: me personally, you know my part. Yeah, And it was
Speaker 4: such a moment, so iconic, so iconic. She have an
Speaker 4: impact the way she did. It's like you can never
Speaker 4: even imagine.
Speaker 1: No, you can never can She don't watch a true calling.
Speaker 4: She that type of impact doesn't even I don't, I can't.
Speaker 4: Does it exist today?
Speaker 2: I don't think it probably, you know, I see again,
Speaker 2: but there's something happening with Chapel Roone where we called
Speaker 2: it a while back, And that's not to take credit
Speaker 2: like for us, but it's just like what has happened
Speaker 2: in the past couple of months, and I noticed it
Speaker 2: from I've seen her live a few times now, Like
Speaker 2: over the months, it gets more and more intense. People
Speaker 2: are very emotional about it, and you get the sense
Speaker 2: that she really speaks to people. I think maybe if
Speaker 2: it doesn't happened in film and TV now, it does
Speaker 2: happen in a time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the time. That's a good point, YEP.
Speaker 4: I saw one of her concerts in La right before
Speaker 4: she blew up.
Speaker 1: I think I saw you there. I was at the Fonda,
Speaker 1: wasn't it.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yes, I did see you there, Yes, at the Fonda. Yes.
Speaker 4: It was incredible and it was just like you could
Speaker 4: tell by the energy in the room like I was.
Speaker 4: I saw the diehard fans, everybody was kind of dressed up,
Speaker 4: and then I would look at these executives like a
Speaker 4: bunch of people had gone to see her as the
Speaker 4: last I think it was the last job on her tour,
Speaker 4: and I just was like, Oh, something's happening tonight, Like
Speaker 4: something's happening tonight, like she's about to go up and off,
Speaker 4: up and off.
Speaker 1: Up and off.
Speaker 3: I went to both of her Brooklyn and Steel nights.
Speaker 3: I went to it was Your two nights at her
Speaker 3: first night. Was the only time I skipped a Tuesday
Speaker 3: writing night. I didn't skip, I just like took a
Speaker 3: break because talent people at us and now were like,
Speaker 3: we're going to see Chapel.
Speaker 1: Do you want to come with? I was like I
Speaker 1: got all right, but yeah, yeah. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be there to like talk to them about like what
Speaker 1: would booking her be like, and like not that like
Speaker 1: again she should do the premiere? This is oh absolutely.
Speaker 3: This was not like me being like pressing my thumb
Speaker 3: on the scale being like you should be. I was
Speaker 3: just me being like, oh, I want to see you
Speaker 3: guys experience her.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I went with them, and during casual, I think,
Speaker 3: m hm, this person on the talent team turns to
Speaker 3: me and great shaker, love you.
Speaker 1: She turns to me, she goes she's special.
Speaker 2: She is.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, totally. Casual is a very special moment.
Speaker 2: When when everyone is actually living that like and I
Speaker 2: feel like everyone's singing it as if they've gone through
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: I've never been in a relationship like that, but I
Speaker 2: am so fucking angry at the fictional person that put
Speaker 2: me through.
Speaker 1: I am angry. You can go that she is doing
Speaker 1: cathartic pop.
Speaker 2: My kink is karma is cathartic fucking pop, and justin tranter,
Speaker 2: I'm pointing at you. But like legend, but like much
Speaker 2: big feelings in the music and that good luck Babe Bridge.
Speaker 1: I told you so. They don't sing like.
Speaker 3: That, They don't sing like that, but she's but then
Speaker 3: on good luck Baby, it's like that's her giving the
Speaker 3: most cape Bush she's ever getten given.
Speaker 4: And then you were saying you saw her live and
Speaker 4: she really did hit that note of coach.
Speaker 1: Her vocals are not alive.
Speaker 2: I mean I left that first concert being like this
Speaker 2: is when I saw the fond of the show we
Speaker 2: were at and tell me if this makes sense, But
Speaker 2: at the time, I said, it's giving Annie Lennox meets Kesha.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's like the only way I can really
Speaker 1: describe it.
Speaker 2: Like this, like soul f I see that pop sound
Speaker 2: like ethereal, but big voice and this idiotic sort of
Speaker 2: like ridiculous, like refusal to take herself seriously in a
Speaker 2: way that I loved so much because I think it
Speaker 2: reminded me of like being at the beginning.
Speaker 3: When like talk about Union Hall like I will always
Speaker 3: I will always cherish those days and I still love going,
Speaker 3: but it's like those were good days when like you
Speaker 3: could fuck up and fail and it didn't really matter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you guys are around, we're doing Sandy and
Speaker 4: Peter are doing pig at Union Hall. Wow, we're just
Speaker 4: gonna be vibing. But this is this week, Yeah, thirteen gorgeous,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I feel you. I feel like the la
Speaker 4: version of Union Hall is very much the Virgil like
Speaker 4: the hot tub, hot tub of it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to do the picture of this sure,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's funny like some of the bookers from
Speaker 2: that time are still booking shows and they'll email now
Speaker 2: and I kind of say, like, I don't really do
Speaker 2: that anymore, but they're like, hey, and we know you
Speaker 2: don't really perform live anymore.
Speaker 1: But and just seeing that sentence like break my heart
Speaker 1: a little bit, like and I think that truth though, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I was that kind of person that was
Speaker 1: I don't think of that. I think it was like
Speaker 1: really free.
Speaker 2: And then during the beginn in the years of the podcast,
Speaker 2: I was out there all the time, but we did
Speaker 2: more character stuff, Like we were out there like doing
Speaker 2: character driven stuff, and we did a lot of sketch
Speaker 2: and we took our sketch comedy very seriously. But then
Speaker 2: it translated into more individual performance. But by that time
Speaker 2: it kind of didn't really get the chance to develop
Speaker 2: because other things started happening. And now to know that
Speaker 2: I perform live for my Christmas shows and try to
Speaker 2: push everyone to there so they can do well. But
Speaker 2: you know, you missed that, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: you miss being able to go out there and like
Speaker 2: just it you feel easier about it, you know, And are.
Speaker 1: You still out there a lot?
Speaker 2: I am, Yeah, that I let the success and other
Speaker 2: things like stop that for me, and I envy that
Speaker 2: about you. You still have the raw passion for it
Speaker 2: and you're able to get out of your way and
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm.
Speaker 1: Going up there.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, do you feel like that comes from
Speaker 4: a place of like I don't feel the freedom to
Speaker 4: try new stuff. I don't I feel like I have
Speaker 4: to come with a finished product, because I'm going to
Speaker 4: be like evaluated.
Speaker 1: Is that part of the same way as you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if I'm not, And.
Speaker 2: I have always been way harder on myself than everyone else,
Speaker 2: And I know you know what I'm talking about. And
Speaker 2: I feel like most of the time I'll be like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm not prepared to do that, and then I'll go
Speaker 2: up and do it, and I'll understand that I was
Speaker 2: prepared the.
Speaker 1: Whole time, and I should stop myself.
Speaker 2: So that's just probably a reminder we should always just
Speaker 2: tell ourselves. It's like, you can do what you are prepared.
Speaker 2: You've worked really hard.
Speaker 4: The way that I have tried to like foster a
Speaker 4: space where I can do this is by billing it
Speaker 4: as a new material show and being like, oh, this
Speaker 4: is loose, this is open mic vibes like come if
Speaker 4: you want, I should really you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: just like it's a new material show and just being
Speaker 4: like that's the vibe, or like literally if you even
Speaker 4: need to, And I mean I do this sometimes and
Speaker 4: it is kind of a cop out, but like I
Speaker 4: do sometimes go like okay, like I earned your trust
Speaker 4: with those, can I do a new thing right now? Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, it's like it gives you a
Speaker 4: little more grace to like try it and then you
Speaker 4: know whatever. So but but yeah, I mean, but I
Speaker 4: just don't want to. I honestly, you guys. Guy Bronham,
Speaker 4: he's a writer on Hacks and he was one of
Speaker 4: my first days on set was a scene with him
Speaker 4: where he was like the head of the Little Debbi's
Speaker 4: like Deborah fan club outside the pizza shop in season
Speaker 4: one and he said something to me that I never
Speaker 4: forgot and at the time it was so like out
Speaker 4: I couldn't imagine how it could ever become true. And
Speaker 4: then I saw like, oh yeah, I could see how
Speaker 4: this would become true. But he said because you know,
Speaker 4: he's a comic too, and he was like, I've seen you,
Speaker 4: like I appreciate your comedy. I really think you're great,
Speaker 4: and I don't want you to stop like you are
Speaker 4: now acting and that is a like, you know, that
Speaker 4: is far more glamorous than stand up and I he
Speaker 4: just was like, don't stop, because you're good and it'll
Speaker 4: be really easy to like, you know, this isn't a
Speaker 4: better life, Like going on the road is fucked up
Speaker 4: and it's hard no matter what and it's very isolating,
Speaker 4: and you know, you can be lonely, but like, just
Speaker 4: don't like walk away. And he said that to me
Speaker 4: the first day, and I at the time, I was like,
Speaker 4: I love stand up, How could that ever be true?
Speaker 4: And then I started to see, like, yeah, like it
Speaker 4: is fucking really brutal, and it's really a hard life,
Speaker 4: and it's one you know, if you can tour and
Speaker 4: be a headlining comic, that is an immense privilege. But
Speaker 4: you know, on a personal level, when you're sitting there
Speaker 4: looking up at the ceiling in the hotel room alone
Speaker 4: and you're like in a town and it's raining and
Speaker 4: you're just like kind of on your own, it's fucking
Speaker 4: you know, kind of sad. But every time I feel
Speaker 4: that way, I just remember what guy said, because like
Speaker 4: he is someone I look up to so much as well,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, if he's telling me that, I needed
Speaker 4: to hear it, it's a beautiful message, Like, and I
Speaker 4: just I don't want a let go of stand up
Speaker 4: because it's the only thing that like I really can
Speaker 4: do on my own and control. Like it really is
Speaker 4: like this beautiful, bountiful well of opportunity for me, and
Speaker 4: it always has been, and like I do have this
Speaker 4: like thing of like the comedy gods, Like the comedy gods,
Speaker 4: like if you appease them and make this sacrifice and
Speaker 4: do get on the stage, you know they will smile
Speaker 4: upon you. And like I have this like thing that
Speaker 4: I've always kind of had with that, and I feel
Speaker 4: like still I have to like pray at the altar
Speaker 4: of the comedy gods and you know, like continue to
Speaker 4: do that because it's given me everything that I have.
Speaker 4: You know, It's made it all possible. So I think
Speaker 4: that is probably a big reason why I have maintained
Speaker 4: like this love for it and doing this hour. I
Speaker 4: was very uninspired for like a year before I did
Speaker 4: the Hour because I just was like, I'm ready to
Speaker 4: put this out, but I still need to do it
Speaker 4: on the road and workshop it and get it in
Speaker 4: final shape. Ye, But I didn't feel like I was
Speaker 4: writing as much new material. And the second we locked it,
Speaker 4: like I just felt like new again, Like I felt
Speaker 4: like new possibility. I feel like the end of that
Speaker 4: project made it so that I could do fifteen minutes
Speaker 4: on driving. You know, I could talk about that, I
Speaker 4: could really open up and I could say like what
Speaker 4: is the deal with stuff?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And that is really powerful.
Speaker 1: So this is so this is such an important Sponge moment.
Speaker 3: This all the way Sponge, especially to internalizing a Guy
Speaker 3: Brandham piece of wisdom is.
Speaker 1: Never a bad idea.
Speaker 4: One hundred unge ass.
Speaker 2: He's we gotta have him back on the pod. You
Speaker 2: do get the sense that, like the answer to all
Speaker 2: this is to just keep creating. Yeah, And I am
Speaker 2: sitting here and I'm like thinking about how and I'm
Speaker 2: like I do miss like not how stupid I used
Speaker 2: to be, but how brave I used to be, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like it's like that's that like
Speaker 2: I'm a little yeah, you know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I totally know what you mean.
Speaker 2: And I'm about to say something that's gonna sound so.
Speaker 1: Terrible. I feel like I feel like I was braver
Speaker 1: before this podcast, before us and now you.
Speaker 2: Know, well, I think like anytime there's eyes on you, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: of course there's also that. I remember there came a
Speaker 2: moment where like I like went back on Twitter or
Speaker 2: something was like like popping off on Twitter, just like
Speaker 2: tweeting like I used to tweet and the amount of
Speaker 2: like weird bad faith and like the weird takes on.
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, this is why I got nervous,
Speaker 2: and this is why I'm less brave now, is because
Speaker 2: like people aren't as forgiving with like stupidity, it's harder
Speaker 2: to get things across. And also maybe people forgot people
Speaker 2: that follow me forgot that I am and this kind
Speaker 2: of brand of idiot, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 2: like like you're talking about, like in the beginning, like
Speaker 2: we would go.
Speaker 1: On stage in any old wig and do any old monologue.
Speaker 2: And like let it rip, and like sometimes it would
Speaker 2: be sometimes it would be good, sometimes it would be bad.
Speaker 2: But we always felt like we were creating after it
Speaker 2: and that was never the thing. Now it feels like
Speaker 2: creating means like did we sell a show, did we
Speaker 2: get did we book this thing? And that's like that's
Speaker 2: not creating, that's not being an artist. And also, like
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes with this podcast, I can feel like
Speaker 2: we talk about art so much that that's like you know,
Speaker 2: why the Cultural Awards is fun or why this is
Speaker 2: fun or that's fun, because like.
Speaker 1: That's closer to who we are than like now. On
Speaker 1: track six of eternal sunshine. I thought what she was
Speaker 1: getting at was interesting because we know stuff and it's
Speaker 1: just like, where are the where are the fools? Where
Speaker 1: are the clouds? Where are the idiots? They're here, They're within,
Speaker 1: They're locked up.
Speaker 4: They are you, they are you. But I will say
Speaker 4: the Culture Awards like that is okay. First of all,
Speaker 4: I was there last year, I believe, and that was Woodstock. Okay,
Speaker 4: that was literally I was like, oh, time machine copy that,
Speaker 4: I'm in a time machine. I'm now in the past.
Speaker 4: This is Woodstock. Literally, this is no legitimately. I was
Speaker 4: so like, I have never seen a better crowd in
Speaker 4: my life before or since. Okay, that was insane. That
Speaker 4: was insane. And you guys are like writing that show
Speaker 4: in isolation, Like there is something to be said for
Speaker 4: that as a skill that you get to because you
Speaker 4: threw on the way, because you took her, because you
Speaker 4: went down.
Speaker 1: Every wig was a.
Speaker 4: And that for real, Like that is real, and that
Speaker 4: is an incredible skill to be able to pull off
Speaker 4: something that is so air tight with just within like isolation,
Speaker 4: and you're not like bouncing it off a crowd Like
Speaker 4: that is a beautiful thing and that is so that
Speaker 4: is a true deep connection that y'all still have, like
Speaker 4: even if you're like, okay, maybe I'm not doing you know,
Speaker 4: like I see that as as something that is so pure.
Speaker 1: Still it's just attached to you're always harder on yourself.
Speaker 2: That's what it is like every single week, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like you have to you probably have
Speaker 2: had to get a little bit better about it about
Speaker 2: what about like the amount of self emolation totally because
Speaker 2: it's just like you can't happen week after a week.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, And like I would say, identify I
Speaker 3: formerly identified as a perfectionist and have now loosened.
Speaker 1: That's identity sense.
Speaker 4: Where do you feel like you have landed?
Speaker 1: I am going to get at least five hours of sleep? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeahs enough.
Speaker 3: I know it's not still it's still about it's still
Speaker 3: like a line totally. It's still something for me to
Speaker 3: be like all right, time to put this down.
Speaker 2: And you've associated amount of sleep with that idea of
Speaker 2: like you beating yourself up or like wondering what's enough?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so it's like it literally should not
Speaker 3: keep me up thinking about it, assessing it in hindsight,
Speaker 3: like all of it, like working on it.
Speaker 1: I love work. I love the process capital T, capital P.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, let's just set it.
Speaker 3: Down and it'll always be better in the morning, when
Speaker 3: we have a fresh out of like anytime you run
Speaker 3: on Tuesday, it's like, Okay, I don't know what this is,
Speaker 3: but let's look at it in the morning, and it's
Speaker 3: and then like it's means celestium like laughing, laughing, laughing,
Speaker 3: like typing type typing on zoom, and it's like I
Speaker 3: love that so much.
Speaker 1: But the actual process of being like a little fair creator,
Speaker 1: a little fairy creator.
Speaker 2: But you know, like.
Speaker 3: Especially now, I feel like and I think you guys
Speaker 3: probably understand this too, like perfection, Like perfection is a
Speaker 3: little overrated.
Speaker 1: It's like it's nice when it's it's rough.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I kind of don't have that perfectionist like hindsight when
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, that could have been better, that kind
Speaker 3: of better anymore, because I'm just like, no, I kind
Speaker 3: of like that, especially on us. And now it's like
Speaker 3: it's nice that there's this like weird sort of error
Speaker 3: and stimulus in the way that it is like made,
Speaker 3: in the way that it's performed. It's like this is
Speaker 3: so unpolished because there is no other way to polish this,
Speaker 3: there is no time to polish this, and so therefore
Speaker 3: this is what you get, and here it is, here's
Speaker 3: your product.
Speaker 1: I enjoy.
Speaker 4: I wish everyone could see what I saw, because I
Speaker 4: cannot overstate how going to the show just the weight
Speaker 4: of this thing. It like it just took like my
Speaker 4: understanding of it to a whole new level, and I
Speaker 4: like I wish everyone knew, and in some small ways
Speaker 4: through listening to this podcast, I feel like people get
Speaker 4: a look into it, but like to be able to
Speaker 4: see the inner workings of this.
Speaker 1: It's so hard, it's amazing what we do is like
Speaker 1: it's just purely emotional, I.
Speaker 4: Think, I mean, just the demand, Like sure, you know,
Speaker 4: like the demand and the pace and it's exciting and
Speaker 4: it's incredible, but it's just like I go, yeah, I am.
Speaker 4: It puts into context how much of a mere mortal
Speaker 4: I am and how much like you guys are operating
Speaker 4: on such a higher level.
Speaker 1: That's nice.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're all like we're all on the
Speaker 3: same level here of like we get emotional about the
Speaker 3: things that we make, and so therefore, like no matter what.
Speaker 1: No matter what the context is. Yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here thinking like there's some confronting going on,
Speaker 2: like of self, and I'm like, that's probably why I've
Speaker 2: done that same fucking Christmas show for six years.
Speaker 1: Not that it's like not that it's like the same.
Speaker 1: It changes every year and I get better every year.
Speaker 2: But now I'm fully like Matt Rogers, if you don't
Speaker 2: write a new show, if you don't write a new material,
Speaker 2: I am disappointed in you. Like I will be disappointed
Speaker 2: in myself if I don't create something new, because I
Speaker 2: have and it's almost like comical now. And that's part
Speaker 2: of what makes that idea funny to me, is like
Speaker 2: it comes back every year like Christmas. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: stop using it as a.
Speaker 1: Crutch, you know what I mean. That's like me genuinely
Speaker 1: telling myself.
Speaker 2: Like these things you have to stop using them as crutches,
Speaker 2: and like, I don't know, it's just we needed we
Speaker 2: needed sponge today, we need I needed to tell myself
Speaker 2: that anyway we need it, just like we all at
Speaker 2: this point in our careers and in our lives, like
Speaker 2: we're so lucky to even have retrospect, but you do
Speaker 2: have to force yourself to change because it's that comfort
Speaker 2: in like the quote unquote success that can get you
Speaker 2: to a certain place, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you blessedly won't be at SNL forever one day,
Speaker 2: like you know you'll have another role that is different
Speaker 2: from hacks, Like if I I'm any good at what
Speaker 2: I do, write something new at some point, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like and but there it is nice
Speaker 2: to get to that point totally, Like it almost feels
Speaker 2: like no, not everyone like gets to say, like what's
Speaker 2: the next act going to be?
Speaker 1: Ye, like it's a really exciting thing it.
Speaker 4: Is, and reframing it as exciting and it's not like
Speaker 4: it's not a negative judgment on you if you don't
Speaker 4: do it. It's more so like I can do it,
Speaker 4: and I'm excited to do it, and like I and
Speaker 4: the audience deserve more and I deserve to feel connected,
Speaker 4: you know that spark when something's new. There's nothing like it,
Speaker 4: Like you deserve to feel that feeling, Like we all
Speaker 4: as artists crave that feeling. And it's like when it
Speaker 4: comes from you a gifted artisan, like you're operating on
Speaker 4: a higher level as well, like by virtue of like
Speaker 4: the things that you have done and who you are
Speaker 4: as an artist, Like that is exciting, and we all
Speaker 4: want to feel that. I watching you want to feel that,
Speaker 4: and I want to watch you feel that, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. I like to watch you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: This is another reason why though, that like the older
Speaker 2: generation of comedian is like it bumms me out so much.
Speaker 2: Is because it's like, I know, when they say shit
Speaker 2: like that, it does get in people's heads a little bit,
Speaker 2: like when the industry constantly tells you like, oh, we
Speaker 2: don't want this type of show, or like this type
Speaker 2: of thing isn't working right now, especially like as it's
Speaker 2: getting worse and worse, like and harder and harder for
Speaker 2: like marginalized voices. Again, you know, we're officially you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like twenty fourteen anymore where they're like, what's
Speaker 2: the what's the deal with this queer thing?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's like it's kind of
Speaker 1: more difficult again.
Speaker 3: That is something I resent, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because yeah, it is in response to like these uninformed opinions.
Speaker 2: Yeah they're shouting us down, Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And that feels like so opposite of the spirit that
Speaker 2: I know uplifted our entire peer group and like it
Speaker 2: that I guess does piss me off that it's like
Speaker 2: you're trying to make us afraid to do what we
Speaker 2: do because you're trying to tell us, as an authority
Speaker 2: figure that you know better and that you see the future.
Speaker 2: But you don't see the future. You can't even participate
Speaker 2: in the present. So why should the function I listen
Speaker 2: to you about what the future is or like what
Speaker 2: the past even was. You had you perspective on that too,
Speaker 2: So like, why are you trying to make it an uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: scary atmosphere.
Speaker 3: New John Waters Coaches dropped in an interview, and this
Speaker 3: supplies to us, me and you once you turn third,
Speaker 3: each shut up just to just stop talking.
Speaker 4: Actually major, Well, I'm twenty nine, so I have one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bit more time. You got about
Speaker 1: a year. If anyone's favorously, Oh my.
Speaker 4: God, that was so awesome. It was in that chair.
Speaker 1: She was in that chair when she rocked the world.
Speaker 4: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: Did definitely get in the head that went hard. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but she she's the smartest, she's like, so it's just
Speaker 2: like it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not every time. I don't think so, Honey.
Speaker 2: Just sort of that one minute segment bo when you
Speaker 2: say or you rant and rave against something in pop culture,
Speaker 2: that definitely make a noise. Okay, So I have something
Speaker 2: and it's sort of it's sort of a sequel to
Speaker 2: one that I did a while back. It's even the
Speaker 2: same words, but it's different content.
Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, Okay, this is Matt Rodgers.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, Honey's time starts now once again.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, Honey. Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez critics.
Speaker 2: Do you think that they wanted this? Do you think
Speaker 2: that they wanted to get back together and then have
Speaker 2: it dissolve in this way? Guys, please, they are both
Speaker 2: trying the best they can. Maybe they don't even know
Speaker 2: how to try the best they can, but they're definitely trying.
Speaker 2: I have to say, like the amount of attention they get,
Speaker 2: of course, it's their responsibility a little bit, like they
Speaker 2: you know, it's not like they they don't traffic in
Speaker 2: it a little bit. But this can't be what they wanted,
Speaker 2: and so don't pile on the people. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean they want to be happy, just like everyone else.
Speaker 2: We all saw the movie, and by we all, I
Speaker 2: mean however many people out there that actually streamed it
Speaker 2: like we did, but we can in the culture.
Speaker 1: And I don't think there was like a false bone
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 2: I think she really genuinely thinks this is all the
Speaker 2: things that we're gonna make her happy, and it didn't
Speaker 2: work out.
Speaker 1: So don't punch the woman when she's down.
Speaker 2: She had to cancel the goddamn tour, Like do you
Speaker 2: know it's so it's that that was the last resort
Speaker 2: canceling the tour, Like just leave j Lo, b and Ben.
Speaker 2: I let him get his dunkin Donuts and peace. Clearly
Speaker 2: the man is like just wants his dunkin Donuts, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I say, swiped a card.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's got, like, you know, a certain card
Speaker 2: there that gets like VIP status. Swipe the card, Ben
Speaker 2: and Jlo You're gonna be okay, just take a break
Speaker 2: and that's one minute. Yeah, Jayla's going through it right now.
Speaker 2: In every way.
Speaker 4: I just people treat their I.
Speaker 2: Like you.
Speaker 4: They're not zoo animals, guys and kids and yaff like
Speaker 4: we not so crazy.
Speaker 1: It's just like that.
Speaker 2: And I remember, I remember I said years ago, I
Speaker 2: don't think Santy ben afflegain Jaylo critics let her get
Speaker 2: her best nut. I feel like she really she followed
Speaker 2: her heart back to her best nut. And how can
Speaker 2: you blame her for doing that?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like in times of struggle, we sometimes will just go
Speaker 2: back to our best nut and it's a reminder. And
Speaker 2: maybe she didn't have the person a reminder, but don't
Speaker 2: just go back to your best nut, because the best
Speaker 2: nut is a nut that stopped for a reason, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yea yeah, And it's like this
Speaker 2: actually can be a great reminder to everyone, Like just
Speaker 2: because it was your best nut does not mean that
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the nut.
Speaker 1: It can't be the final that but you can't.
Speaker 3: Jlo will not sponge that because she doesn't want to,
Speaker 3: because she's like, is a nan it's romantic.
Speaker 2: She wants that fantasy, I know, And I wonder when
Speaker 2: she'll realize that the fantasy is not something that can
Speaker 2: ever be real.
Speaker 1: But it's like, wow, she figures it out, you can't like.
Speaker 2: And I also wonder, like how much of it is
Speaker 2: them like being photographed without the ring and like trafficking,
Speaker 2: and that's sort of like two thousands paparazzi mentality that
Speaker 2: maybe some.
Speaker 1: People think is still a thing to engage in.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, the whole thing is exhausting and also
Speaker 2: like we don't need the narrative, the press narrative again,
Speaker 2: like and like the whole thing is just like I
Speaker 2: really thought they wouldn't break up, and.
Speaker 1: Now that they are, I'm like, oh no, we all
Speaker 1: got it. We all got it, We all got everybody.
Speaker 4: But that was exciting in the beginning, wasn't That was
Speaker 4: really fun for us.
Speaker 1: Because it made you believe that it could happen again.
Speaker 2: I remember I even said on this podcast, like that
Speaker 2: really fucked me up, knowing that they found each other again.
Speaker 2: And Bowen Yang was like, well, and now we found
Speaker 2: out where the le divorce.
Speaker 3: All we can say is that we hope Jennifer Gardner
Speaker 3: is doing well and protecting her peace.
Speaker 1: Probably doing good, I know, but she's I I do
Speaker 1: want to She's in.
Speaker 4: The garden, she's overalls, dirt on the overalls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like she must not be feeling great things either.
Speaker 3: She must feel so complicated about all of that.
Speaker 4: Father were kids, Yeah, what are they going through?
Speaker 1: You know, my god, it touches everybody.
Speaker 2: You know. You mentioned Jennifer Garner in the Garden. Have
Speaker 2: you ever noticed that Jennifer Garner does a lot of
Speaker 2: movies where like her kids are plants or her plants
Speaker 2: are kids, Like a lot of times, Like she definitely
Speaker 2: did a movie where her kid was a plant and
Speaker 2: then like she was upset when the plant died because
Speaker 2: it was her kid, and it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: the kid is a plant. I think it was The
Speaker 2: Odd Life of Timothy Green. Just feel like often times
Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner is in a film where her kids are
Speaker 2: in mortal peril or dead already or like gonna die
Speaker 2: because they're.
Speaker 1: A plant, and it's gay love Simon. Yeah, So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like kid and emotional. You can breathe now, Simon.
Speaker 2: Like she clearly is someone whose heart is like touch
Speaker 2: that by like I want to do a movie about
Speaker 2: the power of like me protecting my kids, love for
Speaker 2: my kids. So at least that you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Their mom is rock solid. Daddy and stepmom figure it
Speaker 2: out right.
Speaker 3: But she she has been she has seen every angle
Speaker 3: of motherhood. Yes, and she knows how to direct that
Speaker 3: in the best way for her children to it.
Speaker 1: From both sides.
Speaker 2: Now you ready bowen, Jevin. I don't think so wanted
Speaker 2: to do well, this is good, this is bangs.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Twenty time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so money packing shoes in luggage. It's
Speaker 3: taken up two thirds of my space all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: for one hair.
Speaker 2: One hair.
Speaker 3: And the best I can do to stuff into that
Speaker 3: shoe is maybe a pill case, maybe a glass's case,
Speaker 3: maybe a toothbrush if it's being covered. But shoes in
Speaker 3: suit We have to think of a better way to
Speaker 3: travel with shoes because they the footprint literally is too big.
Speaker 2: It's too big in the suitcase. And I don't that
Speaker 2: means I do not pack my portable steamer.
Speaker 3: Oh, Hannah's got a stomper, and I bet you didn't
Speaker 3: love solving me that A little puzzle in your away
Speaker 3: bag maybe whatever whatever your luggage is. I just think
Speaker 3: we need to I can't believe technology is not advanced
Speaker 3: enough to solve for this. I don't know what we
Speaker 3: have to do. There's certainly no political section to this.
Speaker 3: I'm not confident or hopeful in a technological one. So
Speaker 3: I think we just need to invent something that's smaller
Speaker 3: than shoes, but we can wear on our feet.
Speaker 1: And that's a minute. Like, I guess we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to figure out how to fold up a shoe.
Speaker 2: We need a foldable shoe also because they are the
Speaker 2: last thing you think to put in the bag, because
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I need my sweatshirts, my socks, my
Speaker 2: underwear and my this, and then you're like, oh god,
Speaker 2: because then you know, it is always an acrimonious between
Speaker 2: like the dob kit and the shoes. Oh know what
Speaker 2: I mean, they're fighting the fighting, they're fighting for time.
Speaker 2: The piece of the pie is.
Speaker 1: That's all right, So how did it go? Were you
Speaker 1: able to get everything back? Well?
Speaker 3: I have to say all I had were white sneakers
Speaker 3: play and white sneakers for Fire Island, and these black
Speaker 3: I'll say, like loafers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you wore some pretty sick loafers on the island.
Speaker 1: But that's not the ideal shoe situation. Period. No matter
Speaker 1: where you go, you want, you want at least three
Speaker 1: pairs of shoes with you, don't You I do.
Speaker 4: And and this is you're not checking, You're you're on
Speaker 4: a faery. How do you get the fire on take?
Speaker 4: You gotta take a fer So, so what if it
Speaker 4: is the like the zipper bag that goes over the
Speaker 4: handle of the luggage, and that's just shoe bag, it's
Speaker 4: shoe toiletry bag. Interesting, it's a secondary bag. That's my
Speaker 4: only that's my first thought.
Speaker 3: Thank you and thank you and thank you for like
Speaker 3: thinking of of that. I think we should all meet
Speaker 3: at some point NASA at NASA to figure out a
Speaker 3: foldable off the guys, girls, guys and girls.
Speaker 1: And whoever is working there. We're coming down.
Speaker 2: The worst is when you have tried to figure out
Speaker 2: and and finally figuregued it out like a spot for
Speaker 2: that like third pair of shoes, and then they never
Speaker 2: get worn on the trip, and then you're like, oh god, like,
Speaker 2: do you remember those blue loafers I wanted to wear?
Speaker 1: You didn't wear them?
Speaker 2: No, Because I actually, like I was excited about the
Speaker 2: blue loafers that I honestly forgot I had. They were
Speaker 2: in the back of my closet. They're cute, and then
Speaker 2: I just didn't have an outfit that they would go with,
Speaker 2: which I didn't think when I was packing up. I
Speaker 2: just thought, Wow, my loafers fit, and I didn't look
Speaker 2: at the corresponding closed to see if anything would make sense.
Speaker 2: And then I go to Bowen Yang, who I trust
Speaker 2: very much sartorially, and I look at him and I say,
Speaker 2: do these loafers work or are they too much? And
Speaker 2: to his credit, he really tried. He looked at me
Speaker 2: and he was like yeah, and then he goes, maybe
Speaker 2: too much, and I was like too much? And they
Speaker 2: never got worn, right, But.
Speaker 3: You packed them and you did not pack to coordinate
Speaker 3: with the shoe because you were so worked up and amazed.
Speaker 3: But you were so amazed the shoes literally fit. And
Speaker 3: so that is the wind. That is the victory.
Speaker 1: I don't have to think of anything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I have started to do the like fitting
Speaker 4: before the packing. Where I'm going, I'm creating outfits, I mean,
Speaker 4: and that's the luxury of time, of course, but if
Speaker 4: you can get if you can work that in, that's
Speaker 4: just going. Here is the pant, Here is the shoe.
Speaker 4: These are the shirts, right, These are the shirts, and
Speaker 4: so that kind of consolidates and it's like it's two shoes.
Speaker 4: This is the one I'm wearing on the planet's bulkier.
Speaker 4: The other one goes, you know, in the suitcase. That's
Speaker 4: that's how I've been been doing it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're an expert at this point. You've been
Speaker 1: on the road.
Speaker 4: Look, you know, folks, I'm going really small bag on
Speaker 4: the road. Okay, you got to have economy going on.
Speaker 1: You're usually not checking, never, never checking. Well, because it's
Speaker 1: adds so much time, so much time.
Speaker 4: I'm flying the day of the first show. Yeah, I'm in,
Speaker 4: I'm out.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 2: I also feel like we need to stop the culture
Speaker 2: of going at putting an outfit together. Shirts forward, pants, well,
Speaker 2: start from the pants, Start from the pants, or start
Speaker 2: from the shoe. That could be a moment and a half,
Speaker 2: ground up ground speaking of them, But isn't it tragic
Speaker 2: that you might be limited to two shoe options in
Speaker 2: a given trip, That's all I'm saying. And then here
Speaker 2: I am with a third pair that are perfectly lay
Speaker 2: but I just didn't have anywhere to wear them.
Speaker 4: Ah, it's brutal.
Speaker 1: It's brutal. It was brutal. What a brutal trip.
Speaker 2: That was a moment and a half. This is going
Speaker 2: to be a minute and no half. This is a minute,
Speaker 2: which is I don't think so, honey, this is your
Speaker 2: sort of moment. Are you ready for this? I have
Speaker 2: to be ready and that's actually dead ass. Yeah, cyana Einbinders,
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. Time starts now.
Speaker 4: I don't think so, honey. Stubbing my toe, Oh no,
Speaker 4: that hurts you, guys, I'm going ouch, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I'm saying ouch. I'm screaming in pain. So you're telling me,
Speaker 4: I'm on my way somewhere, I'm trying to get something.
Speaker 4: I'm actually typically in a rush, and I'm stubbing my
Speaker 4: toe and nothing's ever hurt more. I've broken bones, I've
Speaker 4: broken bones. I'm fallen from heights. You guys know my past.
Speaker 4: I explored that very extensively on this podcast episodes. I've
Speaker 4: fallen from heights. I know pain, and no pain is
Speaker 4: more severe than the ancestral pain that rages through the
Speaker 4: foot when you stub the toe. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 4: Stubbing your toe on the side of the thing that's
Speaker 4: never been sharper shut? What is up with the sharp
Speaker 4: stuff around me? I'm stubbing my goddamn toe and the
Speaker 4: big toe. I'm not walking around if I lose access
Speaker 4: to that. It doesn't stop hurting, It doesn't alleviate the pain.
Speaker 4: The pain is persistent. And I'm just supposed to keep
Speaker 4: walking around here. But I can't. I can't live in
Speaker 4: this world. I don't want to live in the world
Speaker 4: where I'm stubbing toes all the time. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 4: stubbing your toe and that's it.
Speaker 2: And I think we all felt that like energetically, and
Speaker 2: we also all felt that physically because at one point,
Speaker 2: but what just goes?
Speaker 1: Oh? And I could tell it was because he was
Speaker 1: having a flash. I had sensed memory flashback. But why
Speaker 1: does it hurt like that? Well? Anytime I stub my toe?
Speaker 3: You know what I first thought is, if I'm in
Speaker 3: any sort of physical accident that hurts any other part
Speaker 3: of my body, I will perish. I will pair it
Speaker 3: my body well, will will not know how to process it.
Speaker 3: That it is the deepest pain anyone's ever felt when
Speaker 3: I stiffed my toe. Yes, and I get it makes
Speaker 3: me And as you were saying this, I how twisted
Speaker 3: is it that my thought was, well, we should eliminate corners.
Speaker 1: I almost thought, touching to you, you should baby proof
Speaker 1: your house if you're that concerned.
Speaker 2: And then down the road it's already done if you
Speaker 2: ever want to have kids, like, it's already babyproofd I
Speaker 2: baby proofed it for myself because I remember that's what
Speaker 2: it was like.
Speaker 1: It's you know what it is.
Speaker 2: It's from like the paper cut school of senseless, worthless pain.
Speaker 2: It's just like why, it's so stupid. It's not even like,
Speaker 2: it's not even like, yes, one time I was in
Speaker 2: an accident and as a result I learned something. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: I got a paper cut. Now I'm in pain for
Speaker 2: a stupid reason because I'm so dumb. I could barely
Speaker 2: hold paper.
Speaker 4: I was so it was it was such a such
Speaker 4: a page turner that I'm slicing my fing the weakest
Speaker 4: substance a piece of paper. That's the most bullshit thing
Speaker 4: in rock paper scissors, and now bleeding.
Speaker 2: It's like, come on, not for nothing but your toe,
Speaker 2: something you barely need. Is getting careful now what I mean?
Speaker 2: Some people need their toes, you.
Speaker 4: Cind, I mean, isn't there that right you? I don't
Speaker 4: want to speak out a turn you might need you
Speaker 4: might need them. It's just like you could walk in
Speaker 4: It's like if you lose the you know, it could
Speaker 4: impair balance.
Speaker 2: When I had athletes foot, I wanted to cut my
Speaker 2: foot off. No, I had athletes foot so bad. I
Speaker 2: heard I thank you that I wanted to cut off
Speaker 2: my foot. I felt like that would be preferable. You
Speaker 2: remember what it's like to have an injury from from
Speaker 2: the billion back in the day. You ever get like
Speaker 2: ten iish or something. My god, I had got so
Speaker 2: bad one time, I was like, take my leg, take
Speaker 2: it out, take it off, pay gato. I would rather
Speaker 2: not have this part of my body than experience the paint.
Speaker 2: And when you stub your toe.
Speaker 4: Oh, I've broken toes, it's the same feeling. Are you
Speaker 4: broken fingers? Oh yeah, how many breaks I've broken fingers.
Speaker 4: I've broken this elbow. I broke several toes, and it's
Speaker 4: the same feeling.
Speaker 1: You're so. I've broken this arm twice in my childhood.
Speaker 1: Same pain.
Speaker 4: It's the same pain, you guys. I can't even say,
Speaker 4: there's nothing worse than what that is.
Speaker 1: Broke, nothing worse.
Speaker 2: I'm just scared because you just said I've broken bones, eye,
Speaker 2: broken bones, and now I have to say out loud,
Speaker 2: I've never broken a bone, and that is something you never.
Speaker 1: Said because my side and I'm gonna get hit no butt,
Speaker 1: it's gonna hurt just as bad as you.
Speaker 4: You don't know what. You can't do it.
Speaker 1: Don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 3: You've gone this long, You're not gonna can I just
Speaker 3: say on the paper cut note, on the paper cut note.
Speaker 3: This is the only time you'll catch me saying thank
Speaker 3: God for screens. I don't miss the stuff. I don't
Speaker 3: miss the sheets. Oh ship, keep the rings at home.
Speaker 3: Wait the screen like.
Speaker 1: Like screen prefer like like like phone. I'm sorry, should clarify.
Speaker 1: I thought you meant like a screen door. No, I'm
Speaker 1: saying like digital everything. Well, you've blessed you these horror stories.
Speaker 1: Get the documents away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you've heard these horror stories about people just
Speaker 2: walking into glass doors. You've heard the horror stories. There
Speaker 2: are so many people out there, that's an epidemic. Some
Speaker 2: people are so good at cleaning their windows and doors
Speaker 2: that you cannot see them from being seen through. So
Speaker 2: you'll go right into your flocko whatever that the owl
Speaker 2: flock of the owl who died by crashing into a
Speaker 2: building a glass.
Speaker 1: A terrible story, so sad. But birds everywhere are doing this,
Speaker 1: crashing into buildings. It's so terrible. Have you ever really
Speaker 1: been there when a bird hit a window? No, I
Speaker 1: don't want to think about it.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I can't.
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking the other day about how birds
Speaker 1: are so amazing.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Crows please, crows, crows love them. Crows
Speaker 4: are highly intelligent, highly intelligent they are. They can remember faces,
Speaker 4: they can do tasks. No, crow are crazy.
Speaker 1: I have a joke.
Speaker 4: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: What do you call it?
Speaker 3: When a crow tries to throw a party but no
Speaker 3: one comes? An attempted murder?
Speaker 1: It's really good?
Speaker 2: Is that good? Hey? Hey?
Speaker 1: Hey? I was cinderellas? How bad? It's sports? Why runs
Speaker 1: from the ball?
Speaker 2: Yo?
Speaker 3: I want like that kind of that needs to make
Speaker 3: a comeback, that kind of set up punchline, lappy tappy ship?
Speaker 1: Yes, what here we go?
Speaker 4: Is a pirate's favorite letter R? You'd think it be R,
Speaker 4: but tis the C that he loves.
Speaker 2: That was elect.
Speaker 1: Special.
Speaker 4: That's my opener with the murder joke.
Speaker 1: Could never know she could have?
Speaker 4: Wouldn't letter.
Speaker 1: Is in charge? Well?
Speaker 2: This has just been joyful, triumphant. In the words of
Speaker 2: a Christmas song, You.
Speaker 4: Guys, thank you really truly for having me. I'm so
Speaker 4: number one fan vibes, and this is so genuinely the
Speaker 4: true gift of my life.
Speaker 1: You are the true GT. Thank you God.
Speaker 3: So awesome fucking thing special, the show, the many things,
Speaker 3: the abundance of Hannah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just remember, like I'm excited for you and
Speaker 2: happy for you, and I understand why you're here worth
Speaker 2: emotion because like it is like sharing a piece of
Speaker 2: yourself with everybody when you release that special. If you
Speaker 2: ever get lucky enough to do that, I'm sure you will,
Speaker 2: like whenever you really put something into an hour and
Speaker 2: then give it to people. So I hope you enjoy it,
Speaker 2: and I hope it's like a really beautiful the premierees night.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go, and I hope it's a beautiful night,
Speaker 2: and I hope that you can work on in the
Speaker 2: next few hours. Uh, taking all that love and just
Speaker 2: being like I'm gonna hold it because you deserved it.
Speaker 4: Well. When I hear it from the two of you
Speaker 4: and I look in your eyes, I feel it.
Speaker 1: We must have fun.
Speaker 2: Because the title episod would be Sponge maybe Sponge. We
Speaker 2: end every episode with a song, Oh my god, this
Speaker 2: is perfect because what were we watching in cherry Grill
Speaker 2: the other night last night? Who lives in a pineapple
Speaker 2: under the SpongeBob square bats.
Speaker 1: And yellow porns? Disease, SpongeBob square Bags. I'll know that
Speaker 1: there's something you went touch bare.
Speaker 5: A Benpongebob Ra, Sugebob square Bet, suge Bob square bets,
Speaker 5: Sungebob square Bets, Sungebob square beat, Do do do doo?
Speaker 1: Why was that square pant? Why was that such emotional note?
Speaker 1: If you see those sheet music, that is an emotion.
Speaker 1: Pungebob square Everything to God, To God by Lost Culture.
Speaker 3: Recis is in production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players
Speaker 3: in iHeartRadio Podcasts.
Speaker 2: Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive
Speaker 2: produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Soni
Speaker 3: Produced by Becka Ramos, edited mixed by Doug Dami and
Speaker 3: Nikla Board and our music is by Emi Komirski.