1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: I awake to a cool, crisp, dewy morning. It's early, 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: maybe seven a m. I roll over and noticed Dylan 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: is awake already and Ryan is in the process of 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: waking up. I crawl out of the tent and gaze 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: up at the sky. Colorado is beautiful and wide, and 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: the mountains make me feel like I've been here before. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Did I live out West in a previous life? I wonder. 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: I get up and stretch my back. My neck cracks 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: all the way down my spine. I have only a 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: thin T shirt and I'm cold. All of a sudden, 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: we packed the bed rolls and break down the tent. 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: As I jump in the car, Ryan glances back at me. 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: I can read his face like a book. Ever since 14 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: we were children, I could feel an energy from my 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: brother when something was wrong, a bad omen a black feeling, 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: a warning of some type. It was his way of 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: reading the vibes around us. This is the day, I 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: can feel it coming, he says, like it's a failure 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: on his part. Right, this is not the day. Honey 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: will be fine, I tell him. Always the optimist, even 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: in the face of defeat, I smile. My heart cannot 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: be broken because I won't let it. I pull against 23 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: all my feelings. I have a bad feeling all of 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: a sudden, I look over at Dylan. He's much harder 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: to read. I grabbed Bryan's shoulders and squeeze the familiar 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: sister hug I know he needs. He starts the car 27 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: and drives down the black top. About twenty minutes later, 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: we stopped for gas. I clean out the car and 29 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: Dylan and I take turns pumping gas. Ryan hurries back 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: and tells me to get in the car. I look 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: at him and ask why, Because there's a fucking cop 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: right there. That's not a cop, I say right back, 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: it's an undercover I'm telling you. Welcome to The Dockerty Gang, 34 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio and Katie Studios, Episode seven. 35 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: We should have gone to sports Authority. I'm Courtney Armstrong. 36 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: I'me producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lydecker. We've been 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: working with producer Beth Greenwald on The Dougherty Gang for 38 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: months now. These three siblings have agreed to tell their 39 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: story for the very first time. Each from separate prisons. 40 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: Lee Grace Dockerty is at the Federal Correction Institute Aliceville 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: in Alabama. Ryan Docherty is in the U. S Penitentiary 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty is at the Federal 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina. Let's call from prison. 44 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: We thought we got away, and you know, everything just 45 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: seemed totally normal, like you're just in a car trip, 46 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: you're on the road, you're with your brothers. It was 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: like nothing was out of the ordinary. Then the moment 48 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: we would see a cop at intersection or on the highway, 49 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: we would just saw what we were doing, like, oh 50 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: my gosh, there's a cop. What are we gonna do? 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: Are we gonna get pulled over? It would turn it 52 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: would just like not wrenching. It was just very emotional. 53 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: We would just get really quiet and just kind of 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: look at each other like, well, this is is gonna happen. 55 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: It was a lot of insiety, and as soon as 56 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: the cop would turn off the road, it was like, 57 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: we just want lie back to normal. Within hours of 58 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: leaving their home in the Coachy, Florida, the Doughertes robbed 59 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: a bank and engaged in a shootout with police for 60 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: an entire week. The siblings have aided multiple agencies who 61 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: were after them. After crossing sixteen states, they were landing 62 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: in Colorado to hide out before heading south to Mexico. 63 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: Here's Dylan, I've been to Colorado before skiing in Vale. 64 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: There's a lot of remote areas and there's a lot 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: of the campground areas in the state, which is why 66 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: we definitially stayed in Colorado for a couple of days. 67 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: Ryan and Lee Grace had never been there. We hit 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: this one stretch of road that I remember, and we 69 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: must have drove for like thirty miles at like ten 70 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: thousand fucking seen elevation pluts, and it was just like 71 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: you were driving along the ridge line of a bunch 72 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: of connecting mountains. Gets hard to describe, like if there 73 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: was a mountain in there a series of tips that 74 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: happened to connect like a razor back, and you were 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: just driving right on the top of it. And like 76 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: there's overlooked spots where you get a pull over and 77 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: they got a little shaded benches and says ships, you 78 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: just get a sail forever and ever, and it's just 79 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: like blue and green and it's just amazing looking. And 80 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: it's that that was a cool part for it for 81 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: me saying that really beautiful scenery, the nature out in 82 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: Colorado and Utah was so it was so beautiful, you know, 83 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: once we got out of the Midwest, the United States 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: out west is so gorgeous. It picks a breath away, 85 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 1: you know, these big mountains, bloomy and being with my brothers, 86 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: here's the grace. Speaking with producer Beth Greenwald, was there 87 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: any thought of going your separate ways? Well, no, I 88 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: don't think at any point we really wanted to separate, 89 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: because the year was Once we get separated, how are 90 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: we going to meet back up? With no cell phones, 91 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: no meet up spots, no points actually get in contact 92 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: with each other. We did not want to be anywhere. 93 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: While we had a cellphone, nowhere were anything to electronic 94 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: was used, no email, you know, no text messages. Former 95 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: Colorado State Trooper Mark Panetta was aware of the Dougherty 96 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: sightings in his state. There were reports that they were 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: seeing in Colorado. That was the last we had heard 98 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: about it when I went to work that day. There 99 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: was the night before they were somebody who had seen 100 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: him in Colorado Springs with nowhere to sleep but the car. 101 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: The trio were cold and decided to camp out, but 102 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: they needed supplies. Here's Dylan. I'm an ari e I 103 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: right now I'm walking around. You know, I got the 104 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: ten and dude's like telling me all the cool features 105 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: about I'm like, yeah, man, that's all the kids of 106 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: Mestitos out. Great. Yeah, it's dollars swede man, and I 107 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: could got something like a little foam rollout pad and 108 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: just sat up there and I got always like a 109 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: little odds and then you know, the stuff we needed. 110 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: And I go over to the counter to check out, 111 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: and there was a couple of gentlemen in there that 112 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,119 Speaker 1: I believe we're about to ship out. And I remember 113 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: there Bill, he like eighteen or nineteen, and they bought 114 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: three watches. And I've mentioned johna hey fellas, I appreciate 115 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: your service. Thank you for that. Then of course that 116 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: was my turn to pay for my stuff, and which 117 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: I did in cash as as Alwayte's like, well do 118 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: you want to warranty on it? We need see your 119 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: email at dress and and two forms of I D 120 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: and we'd like to get your thumb print. And I'm like, 121 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: this is all about a fucking tent. It was really weird, 122 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: like and I didn't realize there was all those questions 123 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: that came with was buying a tent. I just wanted 124 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: to buy the tent without happening to offer her my 125 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, firstborn child as collateral. So Eli and are 126 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: I I should have went to sports authority. What the 127 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: funk was I thinking? Well, Dylan questions his shopping trip. 128 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: Ryan noticed they were getting some unwanted attention. After I 129 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: came out of store, Ryan and Lee Gray said that 130 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: some guy has kind of look kind of money. We're 131 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: getting the parking lot. I see this guy who's like, 132 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 1: give me the fucking Harry I Baul mcparkama are E 133 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: I and he like picks up his cell phone and 134 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: starts styling and then started talking. And I tell my 135 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: brother when we go out, like, hey, that dude just 136 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: made us. He just called the cops on us, like 137 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: we gotta go. He's like, all you're tripping, You're being paranoid. 138 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not being paranoid. Former Wolsenburgh police Chief 139 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Jim Chamberlain was one of the first to confront the Dochertyes. 140 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: The night before, my wife and I were watching the news. 141 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: We saw a news report that they possibly were spotted 142 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,239 Speaker 1: at an Arii store in Colorado Springs, so we thought 143 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: they might be in the area here Stellen. They had 144 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: all these calls coming in all there, and they're here there. 145 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: You know, some poor lady in Tennessee that they thought 146 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: was Lee Grace. They tackled her in her mailbox and 147 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: just you know, they were ripping everything. Every poor person 148 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: driving a you know, innocent person driving a white super 149 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: was getting pulled over at gunpoint everywhere. And I think 150 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: the first time they had any kind of real like 151 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: here's where they are, you know, was when we were 152 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: supposedly spotted at the Rii store and Grace and Ryan 153 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: they called it a stink high. Local police were overwhelmed 154 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: with Dougherty sightings, investigating a sighting at Walmart. It sounded 155 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: like somebody was gonna buy ammunition and then they left. 156 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're coming across a once you can fight 157 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: up here. Um from standing to go over to the 158 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: TV junction around my uncle's fourteen backed into the parking 159 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: lots there. There's a little white car that's trying to 160 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: sort of matching descriptions. Little guys they're looking for little 161 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: white card, a little doldkin end up next to it. 162 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: There was a female wandering around it. Um, I think 163 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: it's a little super It looks like a little super 164 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: rim among the front I can't tell for sure, but 165 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: possible fighting for some parties, for three parties that were 166 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: involved in the shooting. And they said it was a 167 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: white car that matched the description. Okay, they have a 168 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: dome tent set up. Okay, you can as a female 169 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: walking around the around the camp site. Well, multiple authorities 170 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: continued tracking the trio. They headed up into the mountains. 171 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: Here's Ryan, all right. Well, we drove off the side 172 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: of the road in one place, like up like onto 173 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: like a ravine and off and like I remember, like 174 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: I took fucking like a shower and like this running water. 175 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: It's like a moving body of water. It was like 176 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: really pretty had rocks and ship in the water. I took, 177 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: I fucking showered off because we've got like hygiene shipped 178 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: in the car. But I know that my sister and 179 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: brothers showered off, and like remember laying my clothes out 180 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: on the rocks. We did try sleeping out of doors 181 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: a few times. It is so cold in Colorado at night, 182 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: you feel like you're going to freeze. To death and 183 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: it's very wet. I remember just getting out of the 184 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: car and saying, oh no, So you know, we're in 185 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: the mountains almost the whole time. I'm used to living 186 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: at sea level. So it's hard on my chest, it's 187 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: hard on my head. I was getting this worst headaches, 188 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: just how mean counting headaches. I felt like I was 189 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: gonna have a braining eurysthm. We found a place. It 190 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: was like a little overlook off the side of the mountain. 191 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: Because color that was a bitch and ass place. Man, 192 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: Like if all the hipsters wanted to move there and 193 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: drove up all the fucking housing prices and some of 194 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: the other ships that they brought with them, that would 195 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: just be like a fucking slapping ass place to live. 196 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: Because like I've seen like people that were just tubing 197 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: and like a fucking open river, like some ship that 198 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: was running down off the mountain, and I know that 199 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: fucking water was called his ship. But it was a 200 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: whole funkload of cars, And it's not like it was 201 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: someplace that was like bought on our own. We got 202 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: these expensive paths from the ri I Camping supply store, 203 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: and we got a little I believe It was a 204 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: two or three man tent, very small, very small tent. 205 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: Everything was extremely expensive, and that night we slept in 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: the tent on the floor on the ground, just the 207 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: plane ground. There was nothing out there, there was no 208 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: camp site. It was just a little off the road 209 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: area with dirt. We just pulled off and put the 210 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: tent right next to the cart. Here's Trooper Vanetta. The 211 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: people that saw them and reported them called line when 212 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: one and reported them when they were in the Rye 213 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: area or sant Isabel, because they had camped somewhere that 214 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: night up in that sant Azabel area. So the reporting 215 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: party on that was a former trooper and I want 216 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: to say it was his father in law. I saw 217 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: them and then called nine one one and kind of 218 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: got the ball rolling. Dylan and Ryan pick up the story. 219 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: And I think I was pumping gas in lead grades 220 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: at the time, been riding in the back seat, and 221 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: I seek Ryan said something to me before I maybe 222 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: I said something right. I was like, and I think 223 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: it's kind just made us because he kind of like 224 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: a slow trying to do the parking lot. So my 225 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: brother and sister, I'm like, hey, that's a fucking crown 226 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: vic with steel rims with a cage, and it's got 227 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: the laptop stand and it's got the little piggly wiggly 228 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: curly Q antenna on the back for the radios, very 229 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: clearly an unmarked card, Like I spotted it, and I 230 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: told my brothers, the sisters in my great this fucking consciousness, 231 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: and he knows who we are, like, we're fucked. Like 232 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: you just slow rolled behind us, grabbed our tag, rolled 233 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: out in front of us, tried to park and look 234 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: nonchalant in front of the store, but like, I'm not stupid. 235 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: This motherfucker just popped us. And they're like, oh, you'rena 236 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: being paranoid, You're crazy, And I'm like, alright, butt Dylan 237 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: realized that Ryan could be right. He pulled across the 238 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: street and across the road and park at another stop sign. 239 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 1: It was kind of like and he was able to 240 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: pull back out on the highway whichever way we went, 241 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: he was able to pull out behind us. So the officer, 242 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, sitting across the road, and I'm like, I 243 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: think he made him and he just did his damn 244 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: this too. Once he looked over here for about point 245 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: five seconds, he looked directly away and made sure not 246 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: to look in this direction ever again. So like I'm 247 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: gonna observe it, dude, and I'm not stupid, like I 248 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: knew what it was. I was like, fuck, they saw us, 249 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, for the gas in the car. And then 250 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: you know, we pulled out, and when we pulled out, 251 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: he pulled out behind us, and not directly behind us, 252 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: like when we went across the interstate, we pulled into 253 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: the other cast station park line. We've right around and 254 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: came back out to the gas station. And when back 255 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: across the overpass and we're we're literally meeting each other. 256 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: You know, we're not head on collision, but he's you know, 257 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: heading east and we're heading west now, and he kind 258 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: of did like a little bobble like he was gonna 259 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: pull in front of us. And I think there was 260 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: a part of him it was like I don't know 261 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: if I really want to pull in front of these 262 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: people just yet. No, but he flicked his he clicked 263 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: his light to kind of be like a bobble like 264 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: he was gonna pull in front of us. And he 265 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: hit and he went straight path us and at that time, 266 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: we can jumped on the interstate and he's down and 267 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 1: then he went across and pulling. You turned really fast. 268 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: We were going southbound and we were moving fast at 269 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: that point. You know, I can remember there was a 270 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: point where the greats like, well, maybe we just turn 271 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: ourselves in. Former Wolsonburg Chief of Police Jim Chamberlain was 272 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: aware the Docerties were close. He just didn't know how 273 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: close because he was off duty and in the middle 274 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: of vacation. I didn't have my radio or anything with me. 275 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: I was checking my emails and got the flyer um 276 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: for the Docrty gang being on the loose, and so 277 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: I made copies of that and gave it to all 278 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: the officers that we're working that day. Here again, his 279 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: State Trooper Mark Bonetta talking to Beth Well. I was 280 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: in Plubblo at the time, so about thirty five miles 281 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: south the Colorado Springs. We've seen um the news stories 282 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: about what happened in Florida, about them shooting at the officer, 283 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: disabling his vehicle, and then they just kind of disappeared 284 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: off the grid. Hadn't heard anything about where they were 285 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: or what they were doing. Did you think at all, 286 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: by any chance that they could end up coming through? Sure, 287 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: you know, because Publo, you know, and called the Springs 288 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: in Denver. They're all along right along and which you know, 289 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: major interstay all the way from you know, Uh, I'll 290 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: pass out north, you know, so it's a major thoroughfare. 291 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: And then we have we also had Highway fifty that 292 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: goes Intersex Pueblo east and west. So uh, yeah, there's 293 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: always a chance, you know, you think, well, it could happen. 294 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: There's a lot of back roads that are you can 295 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: get from Colorado Springs around Pueblo. Meanwhile, Chamberlain's secretary said 296 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: there was a sighting of the Dougherties at a nearby campground. 297 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: Sitting in the office, that's when our secretary Andrea came 298 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: over and said, Hey, are you hearing what's going on? 299 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't have my radio. What's going on? Well, 300 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: they I think they might have seen car matching the 301 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: description of the fugitives at a campground in Colorado City. 302 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: They're going to check it out. I was like, oh, okay, 303 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: So I had a radio on my desk. I turned 304 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: a radio on, I'm listening, and I'm like, well, you know, 305 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: probably you know, another one of a hundred tips called 306 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: into the state patrol. They're going to check it out, 307 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: because you know, whenever you gotta cut tip called in 308 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: like that, you have to go check it out just 309 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: to make sure. So I wasn't thinking too much of 310 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: it until I started hearing, oh crap, they took off. 311 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: Now there's a pursuit. Let's stop here for another quick break. 312 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: We'll be back in a moment. Beth gets Ryan's initial 313 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: reaction to being chased. So that first moment when they 314 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: turned on their lights and you hear sirens, what are 315 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: you thinking? All the lights? And I was, like, I 316 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: really thought. I was like, man, we'll just we'll dust 317 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: them again. Look away from him again here, But like, man, 318 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: they have plenty of time to set their ship up, 319 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: and like Colorado was on point and they got us. 320 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: You know what I thought was, We're gonna have to 321 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: fucking slow down and chop the block out of this 322 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: car because I don't think I'm gonna be able to 323 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: outrun them. I mean I tried to at first, because 324 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to have to shoot it too, because 325 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: no matter how good aim I have, an a K 326 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: is good for about six that's it. Right after that, 327 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: the bullet just kind of goes walking and you're not 328 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: really aiming, You're just praying and praying, and like, I 329 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: don't want to hit innocent civilians. If I shoot a cop, 330 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, I feel bad, but only so bad. We 331 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: weren't doing light speed, but we were, we were moving 332 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: and during that that whole situation, you know, I remember, 333 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: I remember, I just thought this was the end, this 334 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: was it. And there were so many cars. There were 335 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: so many cop cars behind us. I want to say 336 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: it was like saven or a possibly many it's nine, 337 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: and like every extry we went by was like two 338 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: or three more you know, cop cars on the and 339 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: it was you know, it's kind of a theme from 340 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: smoking to man and I'm like, man, this is just 341 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: not it's not gonna end. Well, this is this is him, folks. 342 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: You know, here's where it's all going to end. And 343 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, honestly, at that time, I was like, 344 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: I didn't feel like we're gonna paying this flight. Cot 345 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: out the window, here's super Vanetta. It's hard to have 346 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: like a single channel with when you have two comp center. 347 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: Information was slow to get out, and then we were 348 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: told that the s O was following them. The Sheriff's 349 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: department was following themselves on the interstate. It's like, oh crap. 350 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: So we turned around and went back and got an 351 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: interstate and started heading south. I didn't realize that we 352 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: didn't know that there was an unmarked car that was 353 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: following him. I think he had his his lights wrong. 354 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: He was actually trying to trying to contact them, and 355 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: unbeknownst to us, we didn't know. And all of sudden, 356 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, he pulled over and passed him, and all 357 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm like, oh ship, I'm behind him 358 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 1: right now. That's like and we were trying to catch 359 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: up to him. So we had our lights and s 360 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: irons on stuff, and and that was it. You know, 361 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, ship, the chases are and that's them, 362 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: and here we go. Here's Beth speaking to Dylan and Vanetta. 363 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: Did you think there was a chance you were going 364 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: to get away? I don't think you ever think you're 365 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: caught until I put those an cuffs on you, you 366 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And I don't know people and 367 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: people say different things and and maybe it's just me, 368 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: but you know, I didn't. I really didn't want to. 369 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be caught. I don't look crazy 370 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: bit once to be caught. How long are you guys 371 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: being chased by whoever's chasing you? At that point between 372 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: like nine to twelve minute somewhere around there. It's actually 373 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: a fairly long interstate chase, arranging between about eighty two 374 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: so over about thirty something miles. And at that point 375 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: was it just a high speed pursuit or they already 376 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: started um shooting. It was probably just after we crossed 377 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: over into the Horfordal County line and a little past that. 378 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: And then I and I heard it right like, I 379 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: heard the the popping north and first thought to myself, 380 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: I was like, ah, are you kidding me? I'm getting 381 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: a flat tire, because that's what I sounded like. And 382 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,439 Speaker 1: then I realized, oh, hell, they're shooting, you know. So 383 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: I reported was like shots fired, you know, and I 384 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: backed off right. I I squewed, I kind of you know, 385 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: got down to my seat a little bit squitched down 386 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: because I knew they had shot up that off through before. 387 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: From the other story. Chief Chamberlain picks up the story 388 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: and then I started hearing you know, stay patrol over 389 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: the radio saying yes, we're being shot at, and I 390 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh, yep, so that is probably them. So 391 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: that's when I made the decision. Even though I don't 392 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: have my stuff with me, I had my gun lit 393 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: a police officer, I'm gonna go help. So I was like, 394 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: I asked Andrea ur secretary, Hey, is there anything wrong 395 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: with car aid out there? She said nope. He's like, okay, 396 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: well I'm taking it. So I went up and jump 397 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: in the car, started up, lights and sirens going, had 398 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: the radio on, listening, thinking to myself, Okay, I can 399 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: stop by my house, I can grab my vest and 400 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: then I can continue because my house was on the 401 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: way to the highway. And as I'm going, lights and 402 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: sirens faster, I keep listening to you know, they're saying 403 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: mile markers, and I'm like okay, doing some calculations in 404 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: my head, thinking okay, if I stop, then they won't 405 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: be there in time because they had a stop sticks 406 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: set up at exit fifty two underneath the overpass. Beth 407 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: picks up the story with Ryan. You said, uh, this 408 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: is you're being chased, and who's firing back at the police. 409 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: You know what, that's a question that you should probably 410 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: have either my sister brother, you know what, I'm saying 411 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: because I can't specifically say to that because I don't 412 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: know what. They're still trying to fight in court and whatnot. 413 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: Here's former police chief Chamberlain. So I was thinking, you know, 414 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: if any one of them starts pointing again at me, 415 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm shooting first, because you know, no vest, no nothing, 416 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: They've already shot at officers on the highway. Yeah, if 417 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: it's gonna be them or me, it's going to be them. 418 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: I felt like we could have gotten a life at times, 419 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: its charm or whatever, but law enforcement had a plan. 420 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Supermanettic explains, they're shooting at us, you know, So we 421 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: we backed off and not a lot, but enough to 422 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: keep him in sight but give him a little bit 423 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: of a distance between me and them. And we were 424 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: in communication with Trooper Nova, who was right at the 425 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: exit in Walsenburg, who was working a construction over time detail, 426 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: and the plan was that he was going to deploy 427 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: the stop sticks there and try to try to disable 428 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: the tire in the vehicle by flattening the tires and 429 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: hopefully put this thing to rest. We're going to take 430 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. 431 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: M The police were mobilized and the spike strips were 432 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: in place. Here's Chief Chamberlain followed by Choper Banetta. So 433 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'll head southbound on the fifty 434 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: two on ramp because I could see him coming. I'll 435 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: just fall in at the end of the pursuit, and 436 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: then I'll help out with whatever happens after they get cut. 437 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: After they go over the stop sticks, you couldn't go 438 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: left right because there's guardrails and whatnot, so you know, 439 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: they wouldn't really have much of an escape route. So 440 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: hopefully that I would force him to stay on the 441 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: road and then the stop sticks would be enough to 442 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 1: get at least one or not all the tires flat. 443 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: When we were in the car and south, you know, 444 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: with the paid to nine police cards chasing us and 445 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: cops on every you know, off ram and go on 446 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: very overpath, we just kind of there was a multiple 447 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: construction zones between the county line and to where it 448 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: actually ended, so we're lanes were shifted and there was 449 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: cones and jersey barriers and whatnot. So it was kind 450 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: of the kind of sketchy going through their blasting with 451 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: with other traffic on whatnot. But Luckily it was it 452 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: was light enough traffic that it wasn't wasn't too horrible. 453 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: You know, I told everybody the car, said, I you know, 454 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: I love everybody in the car, you know, and however this, 455 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: how this turns out, nothing will have to change. It 456 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: was really calm at that point, you know. I mean 457 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: the winners were down in the car and you know, 458 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: the wind swifting, and but I kind of had I 459 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: had like a real kind of a sense of calm 460 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: as far as you know, just where we were and 461 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: what was was you don't have all those variables and choices, 462 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: and I guess it's uh here to deal with. And 463 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, our offices were either you know, we'll get 464 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: away or or we won't. Ryan continues, I was doing 465 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: about like one authority when I swerved to avoid the 466 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: bike strips that they deployed, and I mean actually hit 467 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: the spike strips. What happened was is I went off 468 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: the shoulder slightly with the two driver's side tires front rear, 469 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: and I was shadowing the brakes, which you know, I'm 470 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: putting like five percent pressure on the brakes. And when 471 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: it went from uneven terrain from like gravelly bullshit graphs, 472 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: and then I rode back up onto the shoulder, and 473 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: when it caught coming back up on the lip, like 474 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: the antalock brakes got piste off, have an uneven you know, 475 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: the brakes on the right side have regular interstate tractions. 476 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: The brakes on the left side are getting fucking weird 477 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: feedback from the gravel. And I don't know if like 478 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: the abs got confused or what it was, but like 479 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: it locked the brakes hard. Here again is Chief Chamberlain. 480 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: They swerved to try to avoid the stop sticks and 481 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: started sliding, rolled over a couple of times, and their 482 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: car rolled up on the guard rail right in front 483 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: of where I was. And as we started to spin, 484 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: we're drifting sideways. I tried to jam the car up 485 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: in the river earth and cut the wheel hard to 486 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 1: the left, which because we were spinning, we're starting to 487 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: drift towards the driver's side. So I cut the wheel 488 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: hard to the left in order to get the tires 489 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: to turn that way, because as you're going backwards, the 490 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: steering is reverse. And then I was hoping that I'd 491 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: be able to stomp on it and reverse with the 492 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: wheel cut, sling its background forward, drop it and drive 493 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: and keep going, but it wasn't able to because it 494 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: drifted so hard sideways that we slipped off from the 495 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: driver's side of the interstate to the passenger side of 496 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: the interstate. And when we hit the grass there, we 497 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: just spun out and started rolling the car, you know, 498 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: flip and grabbed a little traction, flipped and started rolling. 499 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: We might have rolled over times. I don't know. You know, 500 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: I went on the window of that car, you know, 501 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: when the car rolls, we're doing an excess of obviously 502 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: about to wear my feet out, and had I've been 503 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: wearing this a seat route I think was the way 504 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: to the roof tore open on the cars. He made 505 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: a picture, but the roof is torn opening like like 506 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: a great big, you know, piece of like a sharp 507 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: tunicy and like rolled down the inside the car. And 508 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: when it was said and done, thought it might have 509 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: been the last time that I've seen my brother. And 510 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: so I shouted out some I was like, man, I 511 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: love you guys, I yelled at her. Police dropped the gun. 512 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: Police dropped the gun. Police dropped the gun. And the 513 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: third time I said, dad, she looked up at me 514 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: and stopped and spread her legs a little bit starting 515 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: reason the gun that you had towards me. More on 516 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: that next time. If you're over eighteen years old and 517 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: want to see pictures of Lee Grace and Ryan Dougherty 518 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: or find their addresses to write them in prison, go 519 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: to our Instagram at Katie Underscore Studios. The Dougherty Gang 520 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: is executive produced by Stephanie Lye Decker and me Courtney Armstrong, 521 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: along with Beth Greenwald, Sean McEwen, and Joseph Morgan. 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