WEBVTT - Conversion Therapy Might Be Back 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.479 Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote, I'm Melissa Albrand. 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:12.120 Today we're going to be talking about stolen antiquities, all 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.520 the weird things Melissa found out in estate sale, the 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:17.880 crazy conversations I had with a bouncer and JK. Rowling. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.880 Oh, I hit four estate sales this weekend. 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:27.720 As actually an illness. You need to be stocked. 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:30.640 I do not need to be back. I love the 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.400 state sales. There is nothing better. Yeah, we'll tell you 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:33.960 something and we. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.080 Could talk about Yeah, actually I want to talk about 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:36.519 this with you. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:42.199 Dead old lady clothes, dead old lady furniture, dead old lady. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.559 Julis because they really don't because of late stage capitalism, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.440 they really don't make it like they used to anymore. 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.199 So like if you can get your hands on like 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:54.400 a sofa, sofa or a have re upholstered. Yeah, yeah, 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.920 I've had a sofa for like three years and it's 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.560 already and I spent a lot of sofas are expensive. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.880 I think this sofa might have been like four or 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:04.840 five thousand dollars and now it's a piece of shit, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:06.880 and it really is like and that was that was 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.319 a lot. We've really drained the savings to buy this 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.320 fucking sofa and it's sagging and the fabric is weird 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.160 and it's not like nice enough one where you would 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.120 get it reupholstered. Right, Yeah, did you get anything good 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.640 at the estate shale? Yeah? What did you get? Melissa 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:23.160 goes to Okay, So Melissa goes to a lot of 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:24.160 estate sales. 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.360 And I do it's a problem. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:29.000 But ethically she gets furs, and ethically we feel like 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:31.680 it's in this gray area where it's okay because the 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:32.920 animal is already dead and. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.840 It is vintage. It is vintage. I would never buy 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.240 a new fur coat. I really wouldn't Swift. 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.959 He's already hate me on the internet, so peta people 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:43.960 are going to come for me. I'm always posting Taylor 0:01:44.000 --> 0:01:47.119 Swift hate. She's a billionaire who's a crimate terrorist. So 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:49.560 I don't know, you know, and there are a lot 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.640 of them, like, it's just not the only one. I'm 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.120 critical of all of them. But I'm not going to 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:55.040 like be like, oh she does a step touch in 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.800 her concert and has some like nice visuals. I'm gonna 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:02.480 I'm gonna lay off this billionaire. No anyway, Sorry. 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:03.559 So that's weird. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.720 But the but the peed of people will probably come 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:07.600 for us for saying that. But I think vintage for 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:08.320 feels okay. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:10.880 It does feel okay to me, and I mean, and listen, 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.880 I am more than willing to accept that maybe there's 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:16.760 something that I might not know about this, and if 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.880 somebody wants to nicely come at me. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:21.320 We're open to suggestions. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:22.760 We are, I really really am. 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.280 I'm one of the few men who actually takes notes 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.960 and like says I'm sorry and incorporates it into his 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.240 like work and life. So do you well, I don't know. 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:32.880 If you ask my husband, you'd say something else. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.800 And let the record reflect that Michael. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:40.440 Charles Foot has never apologized to me. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:44.000 Ever, I apologize to you all the time when I 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.960 don't know. I just felt like I should say that. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:47.560 Because he's lying. He's a liar. 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.680 The phone, he got her on the phone. No, but 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:54.560 you got good stuff at the Estates I did. 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:59.639 I actually bought a shaved Lamb's woolf jacket. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:02.240 I love that. 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.919 Instantly You're like, oh, I got all this great stuff, 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.280 Like you know, there was like sofas and like ot 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.280 stuff right for the Yeah. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:16.160 Besides, and I also got a couple of like Cashmere sweater. 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.800 Okay, that's great, I no, no, I love it. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.280 I read an interesting article about Kashmir, how like we 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:25.480 have overbred sheep in such a way that Kashmir is 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.520 no longer what it once was. So if you can 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.840 get your hands on a vintage Kashmere sweater, it will 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:31.600 feel different. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.960 So now, well, I definitely think that the yes, I 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.200 agree on that with the Kashmir. So now Kashmir is 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.320 like one or two ply and it's basically see through, 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:47.520 which is why it's so it's like relatively expenses relative, 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:51.120 it's relatively less expensive than it used to be because 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:52.680 the quality is because. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:53.880 Now you can go to blooming Del's and get a 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.120 fifty nine to ninety nine or there's sweater, but it'll 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:57.840 be very thin. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.040 It'll be very thin. It's like linen. Also, equality is 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:03.120 not as what it used to be, which is I 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:03.480 like to. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.560 Say, to life and late stage capitalism. So those are 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:07.680 states will sound really fun. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:14.240 I went with my mother was out on this wreak. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.839 Tell the people in America what happens when Magali passed 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:17.640 a car accident. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.960 So when we pass a car accident, I do my 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.120 best not to look at all, right, because A I 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:28.400 don't want to see any carnage. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:33.760 Number one that you can't you can't unsee that. 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:38.440 But also I am aware that when you're driving past anything, 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.520 you kind of slow down. You can't help it, right, 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.599 you just kind of slow down. So I will almost 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:49.360 speed up to go past. And my mother inevitably Melissa, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.880 why why I wanted to see? 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:54.760 And I'm like, I don't want to see it, and 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:59.640 you just like I want to see. It's really let me. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.440 Did I ever tell you what? I did? 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:01.719 Tell you? 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.800 This story about my mother This really long time ago. 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:06.000 We were in Haiti. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:10.000 And we were. 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:13.200 Headed home and there was a woman, two women and. 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:17.320 A child walking up the hill and then the kid 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:21.200 and the kid started to run out into the street 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.440 and the mom grabbed him by the scruff. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:26.880 Of the shirt. 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.880 And in the meantime, I don't remember the story, remember this, 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:30.760 I don't remember this. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:35.200 My mother rolls the window down as this woman is 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.040 walloping her kid and she's encouraging the lady to hit 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:39.480 her kids. 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:40.760 She's doing she's like. 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:45.080 Doing it, and I was like, Mom, what is wrong 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.520 with you? And then her mother hit him, and then. 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:52.080 My mother says to me, can you imagine what a 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.400 bad day I would have had if we hit this kid? 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:56.839 May we all. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:02.000 And she said it we all have the confidence on 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:05.560 My mom says this to my fun. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:07.360 How awful my day would have been? 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.800 If we we get home and we tell my dad 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.840 this story, and he's just like, yeah, it's like the noted. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.119 It would have been a really bad day for your mother. 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:24.440 My lung just collapse. If we don't get canceled for 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.960 the fur, it's going to be the driving Listen, I 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:32.479 was sounds like a punchline. It's kill or be killed. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.320 It's rough. Really, yeah, I mean I can I've never 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:38.760 been to Haiti, but I can imagine. 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:39.400 I mean I think. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.080 I mean anytime I've seen like videos of what it's 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.719 like to drive in like India, or what it's like 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.520 to drive in Sri Lanka or Pakistan, there is a 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.200 certain level of chaos, and I will say, if you 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.760 can drive in those places, you can absolutely drive anywhere. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.080 I've been in a car with Melissa mel Branch a 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.560 couple of times. You to me, Yeah, we went to 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:02.320 the beach that one time. 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:02.920 Oh that's right. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.279 Yeah, she does drive like a girl who grew up 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:11.760 in Queens like. She is very much like that stop 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.560 signs a foot away and we're going to just start 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:14.160 pressing on. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.520 The top of a break, are you okay? 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.200 Yeah, I'm fine. I mean I made it out alive 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.480 and we got there pretty snappy. Yes we did. 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.440 I've got places to go. I have shiit to do. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.800 In then out. Yeah, she's got four fucking estate sales 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:26.160 to go to. 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.840 Listen. I will not be judged by the likes. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.640 Okay, I just want to tell you this one thing 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.280 that a bouncer said to me this weekend. We don't 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.320 have to get into the whole story about me going out. 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.600 It's okay, we all support my lifestyle, especially Melissa, but 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:40.600 I do just have to tell you that this bouncer, 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.880 first of all, Lady bouncer rare elusive, that creature. We 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.200 love to love it. And I was like, oh yeah, 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:47.760 and so I'm like going in on our autpha and 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.560 I'm like, this is great. We're having a great time. 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:50.960 The bouncer had a special outfit on. 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:53.920 She was just looking great. She was beautiful, and so 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.040 were we were chatting. I feel like it's the line 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:56.520 behind me. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:59.280 Okay, sorry, I just I think I feel like a 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:03.320 bouncer would be wearing something a key key no no, no, no, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.240 would be wearing something in case. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.080 It was very I mean it was very like Buffy 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.040 the Vampire Slayer. There was a lot of like leather 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.600 like dark colors. It wasn't like like a Diamon person 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.400 berg wrap dress. Like. It was like. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.120 I didn't think that, but like I didn't think it'd 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.000 be an outfit that required comments. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.240 Yeah, but it was. It was like it look great 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.560 and uh she looked at me. So the night sort 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.760 of erodes on in a debauchroous way, and she and 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:29.679 I ended up chatting at the bar for a while 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.480 and she goes, can I just ask you something? Are 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:38.920 you white or white passing? It's like that is a 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.800 crazy question. 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:47.440 Actually speaking passing or white presenting, white past Okay, those 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:48.200 are different things. 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:49.280 Yeah, I know. 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:52.320 I was like, this is I think white presenting. You 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.160 can't help it, right, that's of course. 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:55.480 Yeah. 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:58.400 White passing is when you were like skulking, right. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:08:59.920 She was like, are you in here with all the 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.240 white boys pretending to be and not like pretending to 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:04.960 be white when you're not. It was very It was 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.199 like so interesting we got into a whole identity politics 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.560 conversation after that, but I thought it was and it 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.960 reminded me of your cousin who reached out to you 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:20.520 asking to talk to a transracial couple, asking Melissa to 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:21.640 chat about their. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:24.559 Relationship. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:26.360 So she did reach back out to me, by the way, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.080 I forgot to touch base with you about it, and 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:28.839 then she was just. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.080 Like me for waiting for the viewers at home. 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.679 Everybody was type. 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:34.560 One in the comment section if you need to be 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.040 constantly kept up to date on this, because I do. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.240 So she got back to me and she was just like, 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:46.280 I'm sorry, I meant cross cultural, not okay, Yeah, which 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:48.880 is which is great, which is because I was very worried. 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.640 I was worried that, like, not that it would be 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.120 an issue if I was married to a white man, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:55.959 but that they would think that my. 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.920 Not white husband was white. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.240 Yeah, And what is the conversation that's been happening behind 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:02.880 my back? 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:06.280 RuPaul always says, it's none of my business what other 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:07.200 people say about me. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:08.480 I don't believe I had my back. 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.600 I try to live by that because people really do 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:11.559 talk shit about me. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:13.160 No, I want to know everybody who's to. 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.760 Know people on the Internet. I'm really limiting the comment 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.559 like what comments I read, because sometimes it's. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.720 Like, no, the Internet, I think the Internet is different. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.439 But I'm interested in what my family think. 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.200 Actually, that's the last people. I want to know what 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:27.760 they think about where I'm scared. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.880 No, I want to know, and I will take them on. 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.439 Let's take a brief recess, all right. So this is 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.559 sidebar where I share all the weird things that happened 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.360 to me in court this week. This is shout out 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.160 to the batties, to the girlies, to the nurses of 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.880 New York City, because nurses are fierce divas who not 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.840 only kept everyone alive during the pandemic and then like 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:49.559 I was talking about this with my friend this week 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.280 and actually that and then we just literally stopped thanking 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:55.000 them one day. We were like, oh. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.679 Done, Well we stopped banging on and then it. 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.000 Was like, okay, back back to treating them like shit 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.480 and underpaying them and like not honoring their union contracts, right, 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.720 so not valuing them, yeah, of course, yeah yeah, referring 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.280 to Yeah, So I met So I had this client 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.280 who she was experiencing like extreme illness. I can't really 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.120 say too much but she was very sick, and so 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.960 I had to go get her stuff from the detention 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:25.120 center because they transferred her to the hospital with the 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.880 treating without any of her shit. And so I was like, 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:29.679 all right, I got to go get her stuff from 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.720 a detention center. Let's just say it's so far in Brooklyn, 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.200 so deep in Brooklyn. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.480 We know what I say, what behind God's back? 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.920 But when something is fucking far away, where is that 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:42.560 behind Gods? 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:47.480 Yes, that's literally yeah, behind God's huge back. We passed. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.360 We have sorry shout out to God type two in 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.680 the common section if you love God. So we're so 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:58.440 far behind Gods back that like the Macha shops of 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.520 Brooklyn are like in f a speck on the horizon. 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.400 So I get over stuff, I book it back to 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.040 the hospital. She's not conscious, and I was hired by 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.920 the family, Like I was not working with this individual. 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.600 But I'm chatting with one of the nurses because nurses 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.040 they are like, oh, you're an immigration law are a 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.320 lot of nurses are immigrants, so like, yeah, kind of 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.000 you know, come over and want a kiki and they 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.439 want to like she asked me a quick question, No, 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.439 why is that actually? So I know you have a 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:27.680 lot of nurses in your family. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:32.080 I do so because what happens is that the United 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.640 States has a shortage of nurses, right, so a lot 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.320 of people from other countries are coming to the United 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.680 States to be nurses, which is then resulting in a 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:42.560 shortage of nurses in other countries. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:42.839 Right. 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.560 So, like there is a shortage, shortage of nurses in 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:51.080 the Philippines because so many Philippina nurses from here, there's 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.719 a shortage of nurses in And I know Africa is 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:56.880 a big place in the content. 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.240 I cannot remember the country, however, there. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.240 Is you got a haul on this one. Yeah, okay, 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.120 they have. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:03.880 All gone over to Ireland. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.600 Oh, because there's a nursing shortage. 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:08.880 There so and a lot of Irish they make. 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.840 More than yes, Oh my god, where are the Irish nurses. 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:12.360 Going the UK? 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.240 Stop? Oh my yeah? Three card shuffle. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.880 Yes, and that's what's happened. This is that's what's happening. Yeah. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.400 Wow. Anyway, if only we could like come together and 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.080 just be like, hey, guys, for so many Yeah, I guess, yeah, 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.240 let's let's like fair pay. Anyway. So I'm chatting with 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.360 this nurse and she's like oh, like this is and 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.800 we sort of get into the case a little bit 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:39.880 and the ICE wouldn't unhandcuff my unconscious client. So I 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:41.839 asked the nurse. I was like, hey, like would you 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.520 kind of be willing to testify? And she's like jumped 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:45.760 on it. She was like yeah, sure, and I'm going 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.359 to like help her out with other stuff. But I 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.240 got to go to court the next day and the 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.240 judge like leaned into me and was like, where's your client, 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:56.880 like came at me hot, and I was like, my 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.600 client's unconscious in the hospital. Ice won't release the person 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.280 from custody. She's a non violent criminal record. We need 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.480 to get her on a handcuff because medical professionals are 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.560 advising that they can't treat her properly because she's still 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:14.240 unconscious and handcuffed to a journey. So I got I 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.920 facetimed the nurse. She gave me your number with the judge. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.280 I made her testify and did it work? It worked? 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.200 It worked, They released her. It was great. She was awesome, 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.400 And nurses like, I mean, they really fucking hate ice, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:29.880 like she was. They a lot of them are from 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.120 immigrant communities. So she was like this, these are the receipts, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:34.640 These are the ways in which it was. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.160 Nurses also have empathy, yes, right, there's. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.360 That caregivers right, yeah, they care about it was. It 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.400 was just like, what a feel good moment, and you know, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:49.040 an onslaught of fucking bullshit that you have to deal 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.240 with as an immigration lawyer. So it's just like one 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:52.880 of these moments where I was like, we're going to 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.920 band together, we're going to hold hands, get this one 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:00.480 person on a handcuffed, and so I can't much else 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:01.920 about like what's coming going on with her, But. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.160 Now she's being properly treated. Good, good, good, I'm glad. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:09.920 All right. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.520 So this segment is called, uh what the. 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.000 Fox called under Earth? 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.480 It's my show. Oh no, this segment's called under Oath. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.200 We're going to be talking about art law. I'm really 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:20.800 excited to talk about this actually because I have a 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:24.440 little bit of lare here because I actually I feel 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.040 like I'm coming out. But I was an art lawyer. 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.560 That was like sort of part of my villain origin story. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.040 I was an art lawyer. Right out of law school. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.480 I got a job working for a huge gallery. I 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.120 can't say which one, you can probably guess it. But 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.000 it was here in New York and it dealt with 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:46.880 art from all areas of the world, modern art, antiquities, everything. 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:50.080 So this case from two thousand and five, this curator 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:54.000 was indicted in Los Angeles at the Getty for sort 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.680 of taking antiquities, accused of taking antiquities from Italy and 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.720 displaying them at the Getty. And it was sort of 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.720 this like the sort of one of the first cases 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.120 to really kind of deal with this issue because like, 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.480 antiquities do belong to someone, like right, and this is. 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.680 Like where they were taken from. 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.440 Yeah, and this is like a huge I think a 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:18.000 lot of institutions are sort of grappling with this like 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.480 moment where it's like, Okay, we have this thing, we 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:25.360 know it belongs to this other person. Like people's perception 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:29.440 and how they think we should be behaving and treating 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.480 these objects and treating other cultures, you know. I think 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:35.600 the sort of logic and air quotes for those of 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.840 you listening and not watching, is the logic was, Oh, 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:42.120 it's safer with us than it is with this, and 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.720 it's this very colonialist, fucked up perspective. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.560 I was going to say, because the colonizer will insist 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.960 on colonizing, right, yes, at every turn. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.200 Yeah, And it was very much like steeped in this 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.800 sort of notion of like, oh well, you know, these 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:59.720 people could never possibly they don't understand what right. Yeah, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.960 this is like gross sort of like white imperialistic, frankly 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.399 British perspective. I mean, the British Museum is like a 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:12.880 very very infamous example of antiquity looting. So I wanted 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.320 to talk about this case because I thought it was 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:17.040 just sort of like an interesting entree into art law. Right, 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.600 Like art law is sort of like cobbled together of 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.280 all these weird different laws. Like there is no like 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.240 art law section of a law school textbook. There's no 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.680 like art law book of statutes. It's actually like it's 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.640 contract law, it's criminal law. It is not. It's sort 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.040 of like pulled together and the subject matter just happens 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.000 to be art. So Marry and True she was the 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.560 curator of the Getty, and she was accused of sort 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.240 of like laundering these artifacts through private collections to sort 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.240 of disguise the fact that they were acquired by the 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.119 Getty in an improper way. So the outcome of this 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.320 case was kind of cool because basically what happened was 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.560 they sort of struck a deal in this like weird 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.439 like Italian court where they return a lot of the 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.200 antiquities and the charges were dropped, which is like an 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.320 interesting thing. You don't normally see that happen. I mean, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:09.040 these were criminal charges, so you don't normally see that 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.399 happen in criminal court where it's like, oh, if you 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.800 return the TV you stole, I'm going to drop the charges, 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.320 and it's like there's really no back seas in criminal court. 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.800 That was like a really new thing. But I think 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:22.840 because it was the getty, because it got so many 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.600 headlines and this was five years later, Like it took 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.120 five years of negotiating with the Italian government to sort 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:32.080 of drop these charges. What happened to the woman, So 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:36.320 Marian didn't have any finding of guilt, like she was exonerated. 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.520 She does claim that, I mean, and I think she's 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:44.560 probably right, like her reputation was badly damaged and this 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:50.160 situation and I think contextually, like the criminal defense lawyer 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:53.760 in me is like, yes, and everyone was doing this 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:56.840 and this was the first time not to like say 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:58.160 what she did was right and it. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:59.560