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Speaker 1: the show because we are you know, we're a podcast,

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Speaker 1: but we're also a news service. And there's some Bradley

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Speaker 1: Cooper news coming in.

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Speaker 2: The BCNN, Bradley Cooper News Network.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: The lights are lighting up in the control room.

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Speaker 1: Feels like we've got breaking news. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: how breaking this is since it's been out for a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But he has a new movie coming out,

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Speaker 1: and it's called Is This Thing On? And it's about

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Speaker 1: stand up comedy and it stars Will Arnett and it

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Speaker 1: was co written with Will Arnett and Bradley Cooper and

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Speaker 1: Mark Chappel and Will Anett plays a stand up edian.

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Speaker 1: And we just watched the trailer together. Did you have

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Speaker 1: any thing that jumped out at you when we watched

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Will Arnett? He's he's a

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Speaker 1: He is a craggy hotty. I would say, I mean

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Speaker 1: I like Will Arnett. I'm a fan. I think he

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Speaker 1: hasn't done anything that I've loved as much as arrested development.

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Speaker 1: When he was doing that show Flake on Netflix. Do

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Speaker 1: but he was in it and it was set in

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Speaker 1: so I would see him out and about all the time.

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Speaker 1: But I like him in general. I'm a fan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how about you. I think it's fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair that he has an extremely

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Speaker 1: Okay, Like that's not there. I mean that does get

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like they were very Yeah, they were one of

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Speaker 1: On one with their this what is this Madonna truth?

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Speaker 1: Darek you know, Da Petta Baker's.

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Speaker 2: It's simply I think it's I love.

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Speaker 1: I do like the podcast format because it is a

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Speaker 1: It seems to lack that passionate mania that Bradley Cooper's

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Speaker 2: A crazy accent from Bradley Coop's in this one, which

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Speaker 2: I do not gravitate towards movies about stand up comedy,

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Speaker 2: Has there ever been a movie like an introspective, soul

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Speaker 2: We are going to get into the new Paul Thomas

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Speaker 1: There's horror elements to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so stay tuned. It's gonna be an interesting episode

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Speaker 4: Check the books.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, you are listening to the podcast your movies,

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Speaker 2: I love you. This is a little thing we do

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Speaker 1: It's just a little thing we do. Nobody knows this

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Speaker 2: But I'm very close to having a mental breakdown right now,

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Speaker 2: So maybe this is gonna get weird. It's gonna actually

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Speaker 2: You know, I do feel like a pinchon, stoned, desperate

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Speaker 1: My name is Casey O'Brien. And yeah, we just alluded

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Speaker 1: seen any of these, Millie Okay, Okay, I watched a lot.

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, we are back for a main discussion.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about one battle after another from twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: connect with them as much.

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Speaker 2: But there's also two those two movies, Magnolia and Punch

436
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: Drunk Glove feel more set in the present, yeah, which

437
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: is also something that one Battle Left after another is like,

438
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: is that it feels more set in contemporary times. But

439
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 2: I feel like the rest of his movies are pretty

440
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 2: much like definitely Boogie Nights. But then you know, of course,

441
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: like There will be Blood, The Master, Inherent Vice, Phantom Threat,

442
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 2: all these movies Liquor Schweitza take place in the past.

443
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: So that's interesting. Yeah, well, and I also.

444
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: Like that about those movies too. I like the construction

445
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 2: of the world that happens when it's a period piece,

446
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: you know.

447
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: But I also think actually Boogie Nights, which came out

448
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: in the nineties but was set in the seventies, there's

449
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: an argument to be made that that is a contemporary

450
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: movie of the nineties because the nineties were so obsessed

451
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: with the seventies that it actually felt very of the time.

452
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: It didn't feel as much of a period piece as

453
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 1: like there will be Blood coming out in two thousand

454
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: and seven, when it's set in like, I don't know,

455
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds or early nineteen hundreds or whatever.

456
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I mean there were actual girls on roller

457
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: skates wearing hotpants from American Apparel in nineteen ninety seven.

458
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, But I mean for the moment. But it

459
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: was a period piece, I mean, because oh yeah it was.

460
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it wasn't as disconnected from the

461
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: time that it came out as other ones are.

462
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: Well, and anyway, just to sum up, like anyone needs

463
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 2: any more of my personal takes on Paul Thomas Anderson,

464
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 2: because like, who gives a shit, But it's really like,

465
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: I do like him as a filmmaker, obviously.

466
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: I think I think that he likes.

467
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: Directors that I like, right, Robert Altman and Jonathan Demi

468
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: and ill like that to me makes me like him

469
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: because he likes good shit, right, and he makes movies

470
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: that are interesting to me. I think Phantom Thread is

471
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: a masterpiece. I'm just gonna throw that out there.

472
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, it is.

473
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: One of my favorite movies of all time. And it's

474
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: it's crazy to think that a movie that came out

475
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 2: in the two thousands could ever be with my track

476
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: record of watching movies made in the new millennium. But

477
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: I also feel like it's it's undeniably great to me

478
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 2: for so many different reasons. And I also think too

479
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: that like he's got good people in his movies.

480
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: They're all they all have.

481
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: It's all about like dynamics, interpersonal dynamics between people, a

482
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: lot of Dad's stuff, which we'll talk about later. And yeah,

483
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: and I think that's why I like his his movies

484
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 2: so much.

485
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: So I think, and I just want to be clear,

486
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: I think these movies are great, like I think Phantom

487
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: Thread the master that these are like great movies. But

488
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: when I saw I just and maybe this is I

489
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: think people have talked about this with Wes Anderson not

490
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: connecting with his movies more recently. Maybe it is just

491
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: like his early movies really hit me at a time

492
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: that like, really honestly changed my life. And maybe I'm

493
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: just holding his movies too high of a standard. Now,

494
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, it's true.

495
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: I feel like they have similarities, I feel like, but

496
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: I feel like Wes Anderson has moved way way more

497
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: into the precious there's an artifice to his movies now

498
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: that I don't. I think Paul Thomas anderson movies still

499
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: feel pretty like real and not a spy tale.

500
00:28:54,160 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: I think Paul Thomas Anderson is pushing artistic limits with

501
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: every movie he makes, and he's exploring something new every

502
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: single time, which I don't necessarily think Wes Anderson is

503
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: doing right now, even though I still like his movies

504
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: a lot. Let's get into the synopsis a little bit now.

505
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for those who haven't seen this movie. I

506
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: think we'll try to maybe not spoil the climax. Does

507
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: that sound okay? Or do you want to get into that, Millie,

508
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: What do you think Let's just let's not try to

509
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: spoil it.

510
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: I suppose yeah.

511
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: So, okay, Like we were saying, this is sort of

512
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: set in contemporary times, but it also feels a little dystopian.

513
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: It feels a little bit outside of our world. So

514
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: the French seventy five, this is a revolutionary militant group

515
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: that is carrying out bombings and bringing immigrants from detention centers.

516
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: There could be described as terrorists, but they're kind of

517
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: a military group, kind of like the Weather Underground. And

518
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: two of its members Ghedo Pat Calhoun played by Leonardo

519
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: DiCaprio and Perfidia Beverly Hills Tianna Taylor. They are central

520
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: members of this group and they are in love. While

521
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: they are freeing some immigrants in a detention center near

522
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: the Mexican border, Perfidia encounters and sexually humiliates Colonel Stephen J.

523
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: Lockjaw played by Sean Penn. Now this makes Lockjaw become

524
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: obsessed with Perfidia and she kind of is interested in

525
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: him too, even though he is a bizarre man. But

526
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: they start a sexual relationship and Perfidia has a baby,

527
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: but she's still with Pat played by Leonardo DiCaprio. So

528
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: she has a baby, and we're not sure if it's

529
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: lock Jaws or Ghetto Pats, but Perfidia has a difficult

530
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: time with motherhood and she's a revolutionary. She'd can't be

531
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: a stay at home mom, you know. So she kind

532
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: of abandons Pat and her daughter Charlene. During a bank

533
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: robbery gone wrong. She kills a security guard and she

534
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 1: is captured. Now she's looking at like forty years in prison,

535
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: so she rats out her entire crew two Lockjaw, and

536
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: Lockjaw goes ahead and hunts down everybody from the front

537
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: seventy five and during this time, ghetto Pat and his

538
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: daughter Charlene, who gets a new name. We'll go into

539
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: that later, but they go into hiding in the sanctuary

540
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: city of Backton Cross. So that's kind of the setup

541
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: of the whole There's a very intense the beginning of this.

542
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: This movie really starts off with a bang and doesn't

543
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: really stop. So this is like the whole beginning chunk

544
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: of the movie. How are you feeling, I'm feeling good.

545
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: That was an incredible synopsis, even though I mean you

546
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: really like because there was so many moving parts.

547
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: Did you not feel like this was the case?

548
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: Yes?

549
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean this was very difficult for me

550
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: to write all this time, but not quite as bad

551
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: as Tetsu the Iron Man, But there was no transformation

552
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: into uh, you know an octopus slash metal human going

553
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: on in this, but it was almost as confusing.

554
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: All right, well now that we know what the movie

555
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: is about, Yeah, what were what's your life general vibe

556
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: like when you when you finished it three hours later?

557
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, like at the beginning part, I was like

558
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: freaking out. I was having a hard time watching this.

559
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: I was so anxious. Yes, I could not sit still

560
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: and it was like a pretty much empty theater and

561
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: I was standing up and I was walking around because

562
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: I was really having a hard time. Like I was like,

563
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: I want to get out of here. Yeah, I want

564
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: to leave even though it's good obviously, but I was like,

565
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: I want to get out of here so bad. This

566
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: is like anxiety inducing. It is kind of scary. Yeah,

567
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: it felt kind of scary. I don't know how to

568
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: It felt like any violent thing could happen.

569
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see why you thought that it was

570
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: loud when I saw the screening. I mentioned that when

571
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: when we were when we were talking about it before

572
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: when I logged it in my film diary, but we

573
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: didn't really mention much.

574
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: It was really loud.

575
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: There's like a lot of gunfire obviously, and like a

576
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: lot of you know, bombs and things going off, and

577
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: I just was like, Yo, this has stressing me out

578
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: based on the boise level. Yeah, but there was actually

579
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: a lot going on in the movie that was actually

580
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: distressing to me, which we'll probably talk about later involving

581
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: Sean Penn's character.

582
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: Sure, his character, I will just.

583
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: Say this before we get into the fine particulates the

584
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: granular details. Yeah, there hasn't been a movie character that

585
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: has terrified me more than this, and damn near thirty

586
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: years or something like his character. And he's really good

587
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: at it, by the way, Yes, Sean Pan's a great actor.

588
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: Is he amazing at.

589
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: Playing a hyper militaristic, crazy racist, like politically charged psychopath. Extremely,

590
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: he's amazing at it. Like, he's extremely amazing at playing

591
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: this character.

592
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: And this is like, this is part of like what

593
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I admire about.

594
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: Certain filmmakers who are like going for like contemporary characterizations

595
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 2: of people or like they're going for like contemporary political conversations,

596
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: right is that they're drilling down into archetypes, you know,

597
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: of like people in the world right now. And this

598
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: this one was so fucking triggering and good Yeah that

599
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: I was like I'm terrified of him, Like He's like

600
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: he this guy Lockjaw exists, yeah, right now, is existing.

601
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: In our world right now.

602
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, couldn't get my

603
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: fucking brain out of that. Like I was just like, yeah,

604
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: he is scarier than Freddie Jason, Michael Meyer's Pinhead and

605
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: Jigsaw from Saul like put together in my mind.

606
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: Honestly, I well, I think what makes him scary is,

607
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, the way you're describing him as like this

608
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: militaristic racist guy, and you kind of think it's like, oh,

609
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: is he like a smooth, elegant killing machine. He's like

610
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: a fucking goofball idiot. Yeah, And I think that's what's scarier.

611
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: He walks like a dufist, He has a stupid three

612
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: student his haircut. He kind of walks like the three Stooges.

613
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: And yet this is the type of guy in our

614
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: world that has a lot of power and is the

615
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: one that will kill you. Yes, you know, And I

616
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: think that's what's scary about it.

617
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: And as much as there's all this other sort of

618
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 2: actually joyous, funny, warm hearted, inspirational at times moments of

619
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: this film, the idea that he was this like metronome

620
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: of like misery and fear and fucked upness. I just

621
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 2: was like, I'm getting stressed. I'm getting fucking stressed because

622
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: he's like hunting them, right, and it feels that way.

623
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 2: It feels like a hunt, and Sean Power was really

624
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: good at it.

625
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably gonna win another one. Yeah, he's

626
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: probably gonna win another Academy or Okay, I'm gonna go

627
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more into the synopsis. Sure, flash forward

628
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: sixteen years. Willa, who is you know, Pat's daughter, is

629
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: thriving a high school student now, and Pat that's Leonardo

630
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: DiCaprio's character. He goes by Bob now, but he is

631
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: an absolute stoner, miserable guy, and they seem to be

632
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: doing okay in hiding. Now things kind of get back

633
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: into motion again because Lockjaw, the Sean Penn character. He

634
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: is invited to join an elite, secret white supremacist society

635
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: called the Christmas Adventurers Club. Now, he knows he won't

636
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: be let in or won't be allowed to stay in

637
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: the club if they find out he had relationship with

638
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: black women, or one black woman in particular, Perfidia, and

639
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: he thinks that maybe Willa is his daughter and she's

640
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: out there in the world somehow, So in order to

641
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: stay in the club, he basically has to find this

642
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: girl and deal with it and find out if she's

643
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: his daughter. So he finds out where Pat and Willa

644
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: live and under the guise of basically an ice raid

645
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: on the whole city where he lives, the city of

646
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: Backed and Cross, they go to find Willa and Pat

647
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: and determine whether she is his child or not. In

648
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: the meantime, people find out that Lockjaw is coming will

649
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: It gets rescued by a former French seventy five member Deandra,

650
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: played by Regina Hall, the Great Regina Hall, and Pat

651
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: is on the run. He's trying to find there's a

652
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: rendezvous point where they're bringing Willa, but he can't remember

653
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: any of the goddamn old passwords because it's been sixteen

654
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: years and he's basically smoked weed and done drugs the

655
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: past sixteen years. So things are in chaos right now,

656
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: and that's where we're left off. Now, what do you

657
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: think about Leonardo? Do you like Leonardo?

658
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: I feel like I talk about this like every six

659
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: months on a podcast because I went through this whole

660
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: thing on I saw what you did about my Leo journey,

661
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 2: which is that I did not like him at all

662
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: until pretty much like his like when he turned forty,

663
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 2: Like I pretty much only like him now that he's

664
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: in his forties and older. Yeah, it really kind of

665
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: started with the Tarantino movies, to be completely.

666
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: Honest with you.

667
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: Well, i'd also Wolf of Wall Street, which is I

668
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: think that was the actual movie that we did on

669
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: I saw what you did that kind of made me

670
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: have to state my case for Leo finally. But I mean,

671
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: this is like this character to me. First of all,

672
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: I have to say I when I saw his character

673
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: in this movie, I sort of it felt very much

674
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: like walking character and inherent Vice. And maybe it's because

675
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: they're both like Pinchon novels or they're tied to Pinchon properties,

676
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 2: but it's like that kind of like hilarious, like fumbly

677
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: bumbly stoner guy, which is extremely amusing to me, not

678
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: gonna lie, And I love that about his character for sure.

679
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: But also like Leo, I think in his older age,

680
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: I think he's just been going for it in a

681
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: way that I feel like, I mean, he's always been

682
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 2: kind of like a little over the top, even as

683
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: a child like even as in his younger days he

684
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: was a little over the top, but I feel like

685
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: in his old age it's getting real good.

686
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: Like his face.

687
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 2: Turns completely red and you can see like veins popping

688
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: out of his fucking neck and stuff.

689
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: And you know, like I.

690
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: Think about you know, one of my favorite roles of his,

691
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: which was in Once upon a Time in Hollywood. You know,

692
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: when he's just like making Margarita's and drink I'm in

693
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: the pool, just being a drysky sour yeah, or like

694
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: when he's cussed out himself for being drunk and his

695
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: trailer and shit like that whole, like those like little

696
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: ticks about his characters that are based on like being

697
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: too fucked up to like get your shit together, but

698
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: still try to make it work in his life. Like

699
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: those characters that he plays are so good and he

700
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: plays them so good. Does that make sense?

701
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree. I thought nothing of him. Honestly,

702
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: I thought I kind of was anti Leo when he

703
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: was doing Titanic, Show Me and Juliet Yep, Catch Me

704
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: if you can, Gangs of New York, all of these,

705
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: like when he's still kind of this fresh faced cutie,

706
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: his acting was very I don't know, he just wasn't

707
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: doing very much and he was just like, aren't they beautiful?

708
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: You know? But since Wolf of Wall Street, I feel

709
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: like he's realized, you know what, I'm actually a very

710
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: good comedic actor. I'm a very good physical comedic actor

711
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: in kind of the way that Jack Nicholson was. Yeah,

712
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: I feel like and since Wolf of Wall Street, I

713
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: think he's become one of my favorite actors. I love

714
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: him in Once upon a Time in Hollywood. I loved

715
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: him in I Mean, everyone hates this movie, but he's

716
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: really good and don't look up and he's doing like

717
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: that's like overwhelmed dad thing in that movie. And I

718
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: thought he was incredible in this movie. And I just

719
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: have to say, this movie is all about being a dad, obviously,

720
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: and I related to the movie in that regard. But

721
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: also I related to this movie physically in a way,

722
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: Like every scene Leo is having to grab several bags

723
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: and run out the door. He's always late, he's always harried,

724
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: he's always disheveled, and honestly, that's how I feel all

725
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: the time as a especially I'm always carrying like nineteen things.

726
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: I'm late, i have something spilled on me. I look

727
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: like shit, I'm like screaming on the phone. And then

728
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm also taking care of my daughter. You know. So

729
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: I felt like I really related to the physicality of

730
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: this movie as well.

731
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I ah, that makes me laugh.

732
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

733
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: I mean to get back to this larger point about

734
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: PTA's movies being about dads.

735
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Yes, let's get into it. Let's just lay it on

736
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: the table.

737
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: A lot of his movies are about dad issues, right,

738
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: I think we can obviously, and even if they're not directly,

739
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 2: like in a Magnolia kind of way. I mean, there's

740
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: always characters that have a father and son type relationship.

741
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the way it was in Boogie Nights

742
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: with Mark Wahlberg and Burt Reynolds. That's the way it

743
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: is in The Master with Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour Hoffman.

744
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: I mean a lot like There'll be Blood obviously another

745
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 2: movie about fatherhood, and so it's kind of like it

746
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: is sort of a well that he returns to. I

747
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: think what's really interesting about one battle after another, and

748
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: a lot of people have said this is that you

749
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:22,439
Speaker 2: know his he he married. He's married Maya Rudolph, who

750
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: herself is bi Rachel and is mixed race children, and

751
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: that is a huge theme of this movie, right, is

752
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: the idea of you know, a child being potentially, you know,

753
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: the daughter of this crazy psycho, but that also her

754
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: actual dad, I mean, the dad that's in her life,

755
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: Bob aka Leo.

756
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Is also white.

757
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: And so I mean, I don't know if it's because

758
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: I'm biracial myself, and I always gravitate towards characters that

759
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: have that about them or like have our processing it.

760
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because.

761
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, I mean, it feels like,

762
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: obviously he has a direct connection to you know, the

763
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 2: character of Willa and kind of her struggle with not

764
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 2: just her who her dad is or who her dad

765
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: could potentially be, but also her mom being this like

766
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: revolutionary black woman who's now in hiding and that potentially

767
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 2: she rated out her people, and like how does she

768
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: feel about that? Because Willa is obviously the daughter of

769
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 2: a revolutionary, she's a revolutionary herself. She's got that fire,

770
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: you know, and so it's like this whole to me,

771
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: it feels like not only is this movie about dads,

772
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 2: but it's also about their kids and about Yeah, I

773
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: feel like this, This movie is the most that that

774
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: has happened in versus like some of the other movies

775
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: where it feels like maybe Pta was writing from the

776
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: child's perspective. In that way, it feels like now he's

777
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: writing from the dad's perspective, if that makes sense.

778
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that makes total sense. And I

779
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: think you're right. I think that this feels more about being, yeah,

780
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: the inverse of that relationship. It's not being a dad

781
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: rather than being the son.

782
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 2: Being the son of like a mysterious kind of enigmatic

783
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: father figure, right, Yeah, which I think is aging and

784
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: growth and things like that. Sure, But I also like

785
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: that for him, if that makes sense, Like, I like

786
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: that he's kind of moved into like you know, and

787
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't know stone or Dad's territory like that shit

788
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: makes me laugh, Like you know, it's like, I don't know.

789
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: It felt very like it did feel like it was

790
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: coming from the dad's perspective at this point and not

791
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: the sung.

792
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean. So yeah, And I

793
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: think in that way, you know, I kind of talked

794
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: about not feeling as connected to his movies with since

795
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: Punch Drunk Love, I felt totally connected to this one,

796
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: and I think partly it is because I'm not gonna

797
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: say this is his most personal movie, but it seems

798
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of him in this movie where

799
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: you couldn't see that as much in other movies, or

800
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: at least I couldn't. And I think that really had

801
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: an effect on me. When I was watching this. It

802
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: just felt much more personal. And maybe I'm just more

803
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: bought into this type of movie because I also have

804
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: a you know, a biracial daughter. Yes, you do, and

805
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: you do. Yeah, I was pretty bought in immediately with

806
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: this one. Can I take a hard left? Yes? Heard eight?

807
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: If you will, Let's talk about this Christmas Adventurers Club.

808
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: Yes. I don't even know what to This feels like

809
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: very Thomas Pinchone, even though I have never really read

810
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: anything by Thomas Pinchon. It felt very silly. But I

811
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: think in your notes you said you feel like this

812
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: something like this totally exists, and I agree. I mean,

813
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: it's like this over the top white supremacist organization that

814
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: uses all of this Christmas lingo, like Hail Saint Nick

815
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: and other things, right, I mean, listen I this.

816
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: I think I'm so happy at the end of the

817
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: day that this movie had the silliness to it in

818
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: the same way that your advice did. Like because it

819
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: really if if it was really down the line, Seriah,

820
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: I probably would have had a panic attack. I mean

821
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: it's very well.

822
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: Rob thinks that silliness actually makes it scarier, oh, because

823
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: it makes it much more in a way realistic, because

824
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: I feel like things being kind of silly and goofy

825
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: and tragic and scary together is actually closer to real life.

826
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah, now that you've said it, that makes sense,

827
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 2: that tracks for sure.

828
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are at it. That's just my viewpoint. We're

829
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: at an all time.

830
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 2: High of why I can't believe that this is actually happening.

831
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: It feels like it's from a fucking movie and like

832
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 2: ridiculous comedy farce at that. But to me, like I think,

833
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: just tempo wise, I was glad that it was silly,

834
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 2: but I absolutely think that there are white people are

835
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: doing this, like old white people are congregating in this

836
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 2: very ridiculous way, celebrating their whiteness basically and their purity

837
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 2: and their Christianity and a scary, clandestine, fucking skull and

838
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: bones kind away. I mean, it was like you know,

839
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 2: and it to me, I thought it was funny because

840
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: there's that shot of like one of the guys that

841
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: are kind of coming into the like there's like an

842
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: underground bunker or something that I yes, and it's almost

843
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: kind of like a behind the shoulder shot of him

844
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: like moving through all the different you know, ways to

845
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: get down into this little layer where there's a bunch

846
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: of fucking dudes sitting around it.

847
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: And it's but it's like this huge underground compound, and

848
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: it just go. I feel like that was like really

849
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: a good way of illustrating like how powerful and wealthy

850
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: this organization is to just have this random un like

851
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: huge underground compound under like a random house like that

852
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: they're able to have something like that.

853
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of the shot and the sequence kind

854
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: of reminded me a little of Boogie Nights when Bert

855
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: Reynolds is kind of moving through the house kind of

856
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: establishing the world and like you know, he's kind of

857
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: moving around his place.

858
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: That was kind of how it felt.

859
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: But when he actually got down there and he saw

860
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: his brothers, his Christmas brothers around the table, did you

861
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: notice that one of them was Kevin Tige?

862
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: Yes? I did, Yes, so.

863
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 2: I've been reading a lot about him because I mean

864
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 2: I personally have not seen him in a long time.

865
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: And you know, I think a lot of people if

866
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: you if you don't know him by name, you'll know

867
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: him in you'll recognize him. To me, he's he's most

868
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: famous for being in Roadhouse with Patrick Swayzee.

869
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: That's what I first think of.

870
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, And he's like if you look at

871
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 2: his face or look him up, you'll definitely know he

872
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: is because he's a great character actor. He's been in

873
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: several things, but apparently he's been in like not so

874
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: great health over the years and was sort of like

875
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: not wanting to do movies.

876
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: But then I guess PTA.

877
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: Like convinced him to do it, and like, I don't know,

878
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 2: it kind of made me happy that he was in

879
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: the movie at the end of the day.

880
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he telegraphed something like this is the

881
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: Old Boys Club, Like it just you just like and

882
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: the way he talks, he just it's like menacing in

883
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: the way that he's like a normal guy. Yes, Oh, he.

884
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: Was like the scariest white supremacist vampire of our nightmares.

885
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: Like he was that character like almost kind of like

886
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: just like the final boss of like.

887
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: Old white dudes who are racist. I remember him. He

888
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: played Jason Siegel's dad, Ons and Geeks, and he was

889
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: like this hard ass, mean dad. That is where it

890
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: kind of like it got bored into my head. Yeah,

891
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: kind of his scary quality, so it was it was

892
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: kind of thrilling to see him there. Yeah. No, he is.

893
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: Extremely good at being a scary dad.

894
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Like he kind of reminds me. I think. I don't

895
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: think he's from the South. I think he's actually from

896
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 1: la but he talks slowly.

897
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

898
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh, he is like a scary like his kid.

899
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 6: You know.

900
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,919
Speaker 1: He's like you go to dinner at your friend's house

901
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: in high school or middle school and the dad is

902
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: the only one talking and he's at the head of

903
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: the table and he's like everyone's scared of him. That's

904
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: kind of how he reminds me.

905
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: But he's really great at playing that, and he played

906
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: it in spades in this movie.

907
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: For damn sure. I think he might only have like

908
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: two lines. I don't think he even says that much,

909
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: but it's just his You feel his presence at that table.

910
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: Well then and then another person around the table was

911
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: Tony Goldwyn who you know is a another famous actor

912
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: from Scandal. He was the President of the United States

913
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: in Scandal Come Home.

914
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: Have I talked about my Tony Goldwyn story?

915
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: No, you have a Tony Goldwyn story?

916
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 1: What is it? I used to work at a few

917
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: restaurants in Venice owned by the same group. One was

918
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: called Jelina and the other was justa They're owned by

919
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: this Jelina restaurant group. I don't know if they're all

920
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: open still, but anyways, he would come into those restaurants

921
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: all the time, so nice, the nicest guy. Working at

922
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: these places was very stressful. It was very hip, and

923
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: it was always so busy, and some days it would

924
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: just be a living nightmare working in there, because it

925
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: would just be so out of control and like things

926
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: were going wrong in the kitchen and like customers were

927
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: screaming at you. I mean, I got a guy like

928
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: grabbed my collar and called me a cocksucker one time

929
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: I was working like that's that's like the level of intensity.

930
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was like working there and we're having one

931
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: of those data and I'm gonna get like emotional time.

932
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, and Tony Goldwyn looks at me and he

933
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: goes can I talk to you for a second, and

934
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: I was like, am I gonna get fucking reamed? Like

935
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: yelled at by Tony Goldwin? And I'm like, Hi, what's

936
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: going on? And He's like, I just want to say

937
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: you and your entire staff are doing an incredible job

938
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: here and I just want you to know that. And

939
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you, Tony Goldwin. And I've never

940
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: forgot that. And so I'm a fan for life and

941
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: I love seeing him in anything.

942
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: Hell, yeah, I'm glad you said that because I'm I've

943
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: always liked him even though he played the evil guy

944
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: from Ghosts and shit, but.

945
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: He played he can play a good bad guy. Yeah,

946
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: but he's a bad guy in this. But I was

947
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: I was thrilled he was being inside. I feel like

948
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: he's in a lot of procedurals and he was in

949
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: scandal and stuff. Yeah, I think he's in Lonard s

950
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: f you organized crime are He's in something like that?

951
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: But I want I was like, I'm glad to see

952
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: him in like an elevated Oscar Worthy movie, you know.

953
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: So I was like glad to see him in it.

954
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, good for him for him making you feel good.

955
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: Love him And I could tell he had a good

956
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: relationship with his kids. They were like teasing him and

957
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: like giving him a hard time. And you know, good good,

958
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: good man good. I mean, I don't know him at all,

959
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: but he gets the Casey's Seal of approval. There are

960
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: a lot of celebrities that I would not give that

961
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: seal of approval. But we won't go in that go

962
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: into that today, but that's another podcast. That's another podcast altogether.

963
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: Did you have anything else you wanted to say about

964
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: Dad's No, I was gonna say, you can Christmas.

965
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 2: You can move on to the next part because.

966
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 1: I have more to say about this than anything. Okay, So, okay,

967
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: we're getting into the Benicio so which is I know,

968
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: the section that Millie is excited about. So, okay, Pat

969
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: needs help. He's not He's high as hell, he can't

970
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 1: remember the past. He's having a hard time backed and

971
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: Cross is under siege by these military this military group

972
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: doing these like immigration raids, but really is looking for

973
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: him and his daughter. So he seeks out the help

974
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: of Willa's karate instructor, Sergio Saint Carlos played by Benicio

975
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: del Toro. Now, this is very funny because he's like

976
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: I need your help. I need a gun. But it

977
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like they had like a relationship necessarily before this.

978
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: But it turns out that Sergio Saint Carlos is a

979
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: bit of a revolutionary himself. He's like the man in

980
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: charge of the entire undocumented community in Backton Cross, And

981
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: as soon as the ice raid comes in, the military

982
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: comes in, he's like, all right, it's go time. And

983
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: he has this whole team organize all these undocumented people

984
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: into kind of an underground railroad situation, and it's like

985
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: he was ready for this to happen. And he's a

986
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: total calming force in the movie for the undocumented community,

987
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: but also for Leo's character Pat, who needs some calming down.

988
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: So we get to spend a lot of time with

989
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: Sergio aka sense and Uh, it's a delight, It's really

990
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: a delight. What were you feeling, Millie? What are you

991
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: feeling right now?

992
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 2: So many things, so many things. I'll scope out and be.

993
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: A bit a bit of a shithead. Uh, here we

994
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: go before I we're putting on our shad on the

995
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: shithad head.

996
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: I've always loved Benisio, always, always, since the moment I

997
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 2: saw him, I was on board.

998
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: Love at first sight.

999
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it might have been usual Suspects

1000
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: or fear and loathing or something like it was.

1001
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he was in Big Top Hwie. I barely

1002
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: remember him in that. You know where I doing, Top Peeley.

1003
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: I forgot he was in that. Yeah, you remember?

1004
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 2: You know what I was really I really noticed him

1005
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: is he was in a Madonna video. He was in

1006
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 2: the video for la Isla. I don't know if you remember,

1007
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: but I do. I actually do remember him from that

1008
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: video because I was obsessed with Madonna as a kid,

1009
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 2: and I I watched her videos constantly on MTV, and

1010
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: so I I would notice everything about every video and

1011
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 2: I would.

1012
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 1: Notice that's where the seed was planted the Benicio scene.

1013
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: But I am so fucking on board for Benicioltro like always.

1014
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Always, he was like my the father figure in this movie.

1015
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: To me the viewer, I was like, take care of me, please,

1016
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: things are going badly. I love him too much, I think,

1017
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: I feel.

1018
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: Actually it's it's funny because I he's like one of

1019
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: my celebrity crushes.

1020
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have a.

1021
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: Friend of mine who fucking photoshopped the poster of that

1022
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: movie Romancing the stone and put me in Benicio del

1023
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: Tour's faces on it, and it used to be my

1024
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: screensaver at TCM.

1025
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: And like people would walk by and be like, is

1026
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: that romantic? Wait? Is that?

1027
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: Are you and Bonizio del Toro in Romancing the Stone?

1028
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Yeah, it's funny, isn't it. You need

1029
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: to put together like a coffee table book of all

1030
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: the bad photoshops of your face on stone or a

1031
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: zine of some kind.

1032
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 2: I love it. There's also much There's also one my

1033
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: friend just did of me and my dog Sophie on

1034
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: the cover as the cover of True Romance, which I love.

1035
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: Well, that's yeah. I feel like Bensio is one of

1036
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: those actors. There's a few actors like this where I

1037
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:04,959
Speaker 1: feel like, currently they could still play every character they've

1038
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: ever played. Like, I feel like you could cast present

1039
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: day Benicio in Usual Suspects in the same character as

1040
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: the same character.

1041
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And if present day Benissa Altaro was single

1042
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: and wanted a wife, I would definitely be his wife.

1043
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I would run you would cast him in the

1044
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: role of husband. I've loved him for so long, casey,

1045
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: you don't know. I've loved him for so long.

1046
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: But so this is the thing about seeing him in

1047
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 2: this movie, was I his character feels very like again,

1048
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 2: like one of these kind of Paul Thomas Anderson characters

1049
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 2: in some of his movies, and like the funnier parts, right,

1050
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 2: always wearing like a swishy suit.

1051
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 1: You know, is he looks exactly like my uncle Craig.

1052
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean they dressed the exact same. Yeah, he's a

1053
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: sense you know.

1054
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, he loves like Marshall arts and spirituality,

1055
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: but he also loves drinking beers.

1056
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: There's a lot of drinking while driving, which I don't condone,

1057
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: but there is a lot of it, and it did

1058
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: look kind of fun. But you know, these like I

1059
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: don't drunk driving is very bad, very bad.

1060
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: But these guys are old pros And that's like kind

1061
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: of the funniness of it where it's like he just

1062
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 2: doesn't give a shit about it. But here's what I

1063
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 2: will say. I'm going to try not to like go

1064
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 2: down this rabbit hole too much because I can get

1065
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: like really keyed up about it. But the whole thing

1066
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: about what he does for the undocumented community, right, we're

1067
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 2: like going through this shit right now.

1068
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that was hard to watch.

1069
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 2: I'm extremely distressed about what's happening right now. I think

1070
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: everybody knows. I think it's because I just have personal stakes,

1071
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 2: Like my both my parents are immigrants, right, you know,

1072
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: whether or not they're undocumented or naturalized or whatever. I

1073
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 2: think the immigration factor is what makes it hard for

1074
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: me to like process the absolutely crazy shit that's happening

1075
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: right now. And this is the part of the movie

1076
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 2: that was I felt like the most current hard to

1077
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 2: watch in a lot of places. But also what made

1078
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: his character and what he and his family do in

1079
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 2: these situations like it made me, like I feel like

1080
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 2: crying right now.

1081
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: Just talking about it.

1082
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: Like I was so emotional when I was watching. It's

1083
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 2: almost like to me, when you have to like live

1084
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: this type of life, when you're like constantly under surveillance

1085
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: and in constant fear, the idea that there are good

1086
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 2: people that are willing to help you and that are

1087
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 2: like actively working behind the scenes to like make that

1088
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 2: burden in that stress better.

1089
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: Just really makes me emotional.

1090
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: Like I just was like and like just the idea

1091
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: that in the movie, it was just like almost kind

1092
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 2: of like I wanted to call it like.

1093
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: A rude Goldberg Machine where it was like do you

1094
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying?

1095
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: Like where it was basically like, Okay, cops are here,

1096
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 2: ping ping, ping, ping ping. This is how ever to

1097
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: do yep, like they had been they knew the drill,

1098
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: they knew exactly how to get out of it, they knew.

1099
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: No one's panicking. Yeah, it's just like I like that

1100
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like women that work with him

1101
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: that are like, all right, here we go, like they're moving,

1102
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: like let's go, let's go.

1103
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: Everybody that that to me, it was like weirdly hopeful

1104
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: in a way totally does that make sense?

1105
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: Where I was like, yeah, every feels so chaotic and.

1106
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: Every nobody knows what the fuck is going on, But

1107
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 2: the idea that there is maybe something that is going

1108
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: to help is the burden of this.

1109
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: Insane shit right now.

1110
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, made me feel good and made me feel like, wow,

1111
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: there are and I know that there are, and every

1112
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 2: fucking thing that is trying to be dismantled, whether it's

1113
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: like women's healthcare, LGBTQ writes, like anything, there are people

1114
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 2: behind the scenes that help, and it's almost like you

1115
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 2: don't see them because they're kind of working like underground

1116
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 2: in a way. And then this this movie was was

1117
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: basically taking that concept in like making it kind of

1118
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: like a like I said, it was like a domino

1119
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: effect or like a rude Goldberg thing where it's like, well,

1120
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: we know this is happening, so now it starts the

1121
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: chain of every And.

1122
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think no that I mean, I think

1123
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: you're totally right. I think that was the most hopeful, beautiful,

1124
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: heartwarming part of the entire movie. And it kind of

1125
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: comes down to a fundamental human thing where it's like,

1126
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: why do we help other people? And sometimes we help

1127
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: other people because it's the right thing we do and

1128
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: we have to we have to do it. It's just

1129
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: a part of us, you know. It's not all evil

1130
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: up there, some of us. There are people can help

1131
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: each other with no concept of getting something in return,

1132
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, And that's like such a that's such a

1133
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: basic thing. But I think it's easy to lose sight

1134
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: of that. And I think it was really it was just, yeah,

1135
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: a very beautiful part in this movie. Yeah, and and

1136
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: like and such a you kind of like didn't realize

1137
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: it was happening because you're kind of you get so

1138
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: caught up in all this action of what's going on,

1139
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: but it's really just this basic thing of people helping

1140
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: other people.

1141
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like and again, like I think it. I

1142
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: think it just rattled me for so obviously for several

1143
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: different reasons, because the topic is personal to me, the

1144
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 2: fact that my man Benicio was at the head of

1145
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 2: it being his like calm, collected self, but also the

1146
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 2: idea that because I think ultimately and we'll talk about this,

1147
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: I guess maybe at some point when we wrap up.

1148
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 2: But you know, this movie is definitely about sides, right.

1149
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: It's about like, I don't know, us versus them, kind

1150
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 2: of feeling whatever side you're on, right, and just about

1151
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 2: the ways in which either side sort of operates in

1152
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 2: they're weird worlds and their ass and their beliefs, but

1153
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: also in their.

1154
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: The day to days. Right. Yeah, and yeah, you know,

1155
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: I you know, this is getting a lot of criticism

1156
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: from conservatives because they're like, oh, it's all conservative, pro

1157
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: woke whatever. But I felt like this was kind of

1158
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: making fun of like wo politics. Oh, I feel like

1159
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 1: it was like Wokeness Will Not Save You was kind

1160
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: of like what I felt like at the end of

1161
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: the movie.

1162
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, this is I mean, I wrote this

1163
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 2: down in the notes, but it's like, you know, part

1164
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: of what it is hilarious about this movie for me

1165
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 2: personally is that there's this like ideological bureaucracy that exists

1166
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 2: with the left sometimes where they just like constantly like

1167
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,640
Speaker 2: step it on their own fucking toes about things. And

1168
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: like the best way in the movie that gets talked

1169
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: about is the whole password thing. You know, there's this

1170
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 2: whole running This is this runner about how Leo's character

1171
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: Bob cannot figure out where will it is because they've

1172
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: established that there's this like password or system to get

1173
01:08:56,240 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: through before they reveal, you know, his former group the

1174
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 2: French seventy five reveals the drop points or whatever the

1175
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 2: info that he needs, and like they're so completely stuck

1176
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: on him knowing it that he's losing his shit. Like

1177
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: he's just like, I am who I am? Tell me

1178
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: where my fucking daughter is? And they're like, I'm sorry,

1179
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 2: you need to answer this, and I can't.

1180
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: You know, you should have read the manual more closely.

1181
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like his revolutionaries have a manual that they're hereing

1182
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 2: to and that there's this like you know, person on

1183
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 2: the phone that's like going to prevent you from you know,

1184
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:40,440
Speaker 2: doing your revolutionary activities because of some bureaucracy.

1185
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he can't remember a password and he was

1186
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: supposed to remember sixteen years ago and he's.

1187
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 2: Been like stoned every day since. But it's like, you

1188
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: know that that is what I'm totally in agreement with you.

1189
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:53,680
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I don't think this is like.

1190
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: A pro woke and I didn't get that at all.

1191
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I I think at the end of the day,

1192
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: it's like, you know who side this movie is on

1193
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: the one that's willing to help the most vulnerable vulnerable people,

1194
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: and that's that's it, you know, So well, well, there's

1195
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: a there's courage. Courage Millie. One more point to what

1196
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about of being, you know, making fun of wokeness.

1197
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: I think it's very easy for the left, especially to

1198
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of get worried about like the optics of is

1199
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: this cool. Like, I think it's very important to be

1200
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: kind of like considered cool while being politically involved and

1201
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 1: not being dorky. And I think at the end of

1202
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: the day, when you're helping people, it's kind of an

1203
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: awkward it can be kind of like an awkward, dorky

1204
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: sincere thing and you can't really get too caught up

1205
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: in that, do you know what I'm talking about?

1206
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, And like, and there's so much like

1207
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: social media allows for just those perform remative of shit.

1208
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: Like it's like, you there's one hundred thousand tiktoks right

1209
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:10,320
Speaker 2: now going on where it's like these like curated like

1210
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:15,480
Speaker 2: videos of people like saving animals from you know, highways,

1211
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 2: and there's this like fucking music behind it, and you're

1212
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 2: just like, oh, like, aren't they so great because they

1213
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: rescued a baby chick from the freeway or whatever. And

1214
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,759
Speaker 2: it's like you're sitting here going like, that's all social

1215
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 2: media is right now, is performing help, performing good nature

1216
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 2: and like. But then you realize hopefully that there are

1217
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 2: so many people doing it without any notice, without any care,

1218
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: and I don't know, just warms my heart and it,

1219
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 2: you know, And that's why this whole part of the

1220
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: movie really established for me was I was just like, yeah, like,

1221
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: some people are just good people and they don't want credit,

1222
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 2: they don't want to they don't feel cringey about it,

1223
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 2: and they're just fucking doing it. And that's like what

1224
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: actually helps at the end of the day.

1225
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, so kind of to start wrapping things up,

1226
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: we're kind of in the last the final confrontation Lockjaw.

1227
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: So Willa has been hidden within this nunnery with these

1228
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,600
Speaker 1: kind of like revolutionary nuns in the hills. Lockjaw and

1229
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: his military crew find her, and also at the same time,

1230
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: the Christmas Adventurers find out that Lockjaw might have a

1231
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:34,639
Speaker 1: biracial baby and was in interracial relationships, so they send

1232
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: somebody after him as well, and Pat is close on

1233
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: everyone's tail. He's right behind, he's close. He's looking for Willa.

1234
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: But I think one of the scary things about this

1235
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 1: is these people are off the map. These people like

1236
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 1: don't have a phone number or an address or like

1237
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: a place to find to track people down. So I

1238
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: was worried aboiut watching this, Like if Will and Pat

1239
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: gets separated, I don't know if they have a way

1240
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 1: of finding each other. Again, did you have that fear

1241
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: at all? Yeah, I mean there's that whole They have

1242
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: a device, right, Yeah, but you have to be within

1243
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: one hundred feet of them to know they're there, and

1244
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it works all the time. That's

1245
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: what That's what Pat slash Bob Slash. Leonardo DiCaprio said, yeah,

1246
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is there's kind of a final showdown. Yeah,

1247
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I want to give away

1248
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: exactly the results of everything that happens here, But I

1249
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: don't know, what do you think, Can I talk about

1250
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: the DNA simple thing? Absolutely? So, Lockjaw gets Willa and

1251
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: he has this like DNA tester computer device to find

1252
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: out if she is in fact his daughter, Go.

1253
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: Milly, Well, it's this very it feels so macabre in

1254
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: a way where he's got her kind of cornered, right,

1255
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 2: and he's basically like, first of all, this psycho, Lockjawn,

1256
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 2: this fucking utter psycho is is somehow carrying around a

1257
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: DNA test machine like this little suitcase. I mean, this

1258
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 2: shit is like this is no like CBS DNA test kit.

1259
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 2: This is like an actual machine that has a centrifuge,

1260
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: which I'm like, what a fucking absolute psycho.

1261
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: That he's gone.

1262
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 2: He's carrying around this like medical grade DNA test and

1263
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 2: he's like intent on trying to figure out if he's

1264
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 2: the father of this mixed raced child. Okay, And that

1265
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 2: to me was like I felt like I was gonna

1266
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 2: puke the entire time the sequence was happening, because it

1267
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:10,560
Speaker 2: was like he basically establishes that it's either going to

1268
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: be this or that, and it's either going to be

1269
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 2: good for you or bad for you, and you don't

1270
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 2: actually know what it is until it happens, and maybe

1271
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 2: I won't reveal that, right, but it's basically like he's like,

1272
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 2: you're either going to be alive or dead depending on

1273
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 2: this test, depending on your DNA, which you had nothing,

1274
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 2: no control over, and that I'm going to decide, like you,

1275
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: if i'm your actual father or not. I'm still deciding

1276
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 2: your fate in a weird way. And I was just like,

1277
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: this is hard. This is hard for me to like

1278
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 2: process mentally. And it was like like Sean Penn's character

1279
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 2: Lockjaw in his absolutely most desperate, frenetic crazy like loot,

1280
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 2: like an inch away from like completely blowing.

1281
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: His yeah artural vein or his art like that, Like, man,

1282
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: you know, teenagers they can really cut you down. I

1283
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: love that. She was like why is your T shirt

1284
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: so tight? And he's like, I'm not gay. I'm not gay?

1285
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 3: Yes?

1286
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? I'm not gay? Set him

1287
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: off just with one little question. Yeah, he's got one.

1288
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 2: Of those like tight shirts where he's like biceps are

1289
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 2: being hugged by the little seed or whatever, and you

1290
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,719
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, why.

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01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: Is that shirt so tight? And he's just like yeah.

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01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: And then of course his like resistance to anything that

1293
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: isn't like white heteronormative culture is like kicks it, and

1294
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: he's just like fuck you, I'm straight and like I

1295
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:58,839
Speaker 2: don't like black people.

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01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? And they're just like, oh

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01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: my god, like this guy.

1298
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: And again, like as over the top as this whole

1299
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,919
Speaker 2: thing feels like, I'm like, no, there are people right.

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01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 6: Now who are this guy. This guy exists in our

1301
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 6: world right now. Absolutely, and it's a stressing It is distressing. No,

1302
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 6: I mean it felt very.

1303
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 1: Real. I mean I feel like we see these characters

1304
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 1: on the news right now.

1305
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And again like just to pull it back to

1306
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 2: sort of the authorship or the pta part of it,

1307
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's like yeah, I mean you know, like

1308
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: I said, he has children who are multiracial, right, he

1309
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 2: has a biracial wife, like these are this to me

1310
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: felt very personal, like.

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01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: Totally you no, so absolutely, I mean I think as

1312
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 1: a white man who has, you know, multiracial children. He

1313
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: has to start seeing the world in a way. And

1314
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm speaking for myself as well. You have to start

1315
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: seeing the world in a way that you didn't as

1316
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 1: just a white guy walking around the streets. You know,

1317
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: like as a white man, you don't have to worry

1318
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,680
Speaker 1: about certain things. But now that you know that I

1319
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: have a daughter, and that PTA has a multiracial daughter,

1320
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: you are confronted with thinking about the world in a

1321
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 1: way that you never had to. And I mean, obviously

1322
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 1: I thought about these things in sort of a hypothetical

1323
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: or you know, as an intellectual exercise or like empathetic

1324
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: way for other people, but it is a much more visceral,

1325
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: real emotion when it's your children, you know. And I

1326
01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: think that came across in the movie, and that was

1327
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: something that affected me watching the movie. Yeah, I mean,

1328
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of.

1329
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: Disconnection happening with a lot of people who have people

1330
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 2: in their family that are affected by current politics and

1331
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: they just don't get it, Like they're just like it

1332
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense to me, Like people who are

1333
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: just like I have a you know, trans daughter, but

1334
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 2: I completely go against her life in every political moment

1335
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 2: that I have, and I'm just like, this is so

1336
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: fucking crazy. Like I'm just like, we're in a weird mode.

1337
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: I mean, there's some people that don't care, but then

1338
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 2: there are people who do care and people who do

1339
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 2: show up for their for their people, and I love

1340
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 2: that and I feel like, you know, in a way,

1341
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know, like it's hard to like

1342
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 2: really pin down. I mean, some some directors are really

1343
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: really autobiographical where you could really clock things pretty accurately.

1344
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 2: Then there's others that are sort of like pulling from

1345
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: different things. And I haven't seen any interviews with Paul

1346
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: tam miss Anderson talking about the racial component of this

1347
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 2: film or like the you know, the idea of like

1348
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 2: what's happening here.

1349
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if there are any if.

1350
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: You want to send it to us to your movies

1351
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 2: exactly rightmedia dot com, But I don't know. It felt

1352
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: to me like it was a moment where I think

1353
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, this is affecting my family and

1354
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 2: affecting my life and I want to talk about it,

1355
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:22,160
Speaker 2: which I appreciate.

1356
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, you know, what more can you ask

1357
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 1: for from an artist? I mean, really to like express

1358
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: something that they are personally going through.

1359
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I don't know, I mean, to me,

1360
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 2: it felt like this is like this movie felt like

1361
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 2: one of his most more personal movies.

1362
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I like it. It's like as

1363
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 1: personal as Phantom Thread.

1364
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: Like there are there are movies where you're like, oh,

1365
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 2: he's talking about something real. Maybe it's not directly directly

1366
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 2: in your face, but it is something real. But this

1367
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: felt like it was pretty direct like it it felt

1368
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: kind of personal.

1369
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

1370
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 2: I to me, you know, I appreciated the idea that

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01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 2: I don't know if there is a message of it,

1372
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 2: but that black women save everyone as they always do,

1373
01:21:13,160 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 2: like they're always in the position of saving people, like

1374
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 2: helping other people in the times that we live in,

1375
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 2: like they vote the best, they're constantly taking care of others.

1376
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 2: And it was like this movie was saying like to

1377
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: that effect, like yeah, Willa, you know, has no mother

1378
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: right now in her life because she's in hiding or

1379
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: is you know something, and she has to take care

1380
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: of herself, but she also has to take care of

1381
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 2: her fucking dumbass dad.

1382
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: Who's too stoned to you know, get a.

1383
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,840
Speaker 2: Shit together and you know that to me, I think

1384
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: is an interesting point to make, and even like not

1385
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 2: just Tianna Taylor's character, but Regina Hall her care the

1386
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: women that work at the nunnery or.

1387
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 1: The nuns, the nuns. So it's like, yeah, I mean

1388
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: I think that that is a message that he put

1389
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah. Absolutely, And I think, you know, back

1390
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: to the more hopeful side of the movie, I think

1391
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,160
Speaker 1: it's very in to be very cynical about things, but

1392
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 1: I think it is actually unrealistic to think that there's

1393
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: no hope, because there is. And I thought that that's

1394
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: sort of what I took away, Yeah, from this movie. Well,

1395
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad.

1396
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad you thought you think that there's hope I

1397
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:45,639
Speaker 2: do in spite of the darkness that I feel. Yes,

1398
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: so I'm it's getting harder, but it's yeah, you know, like.

1399
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying very hard.

1400
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 4: I know.

1401
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 1: So. Well, I think it's like you have to look

1402
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: to people for hope. You can't to it as sort

1403
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: of a concept. You know. It's like there are people

1404
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: who are doing good things out there, and there are

1405
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: people who are doing very bad things, and a lot

1406
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: of people who are doing bad things, but there are

1407
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: still people who want and do good things. Yes, you know, yes?

1408
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 4: Wow?

1409
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: Boy, Well really this was a really great I really

1410
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: loved talking about this movie with you too. This was

1411
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: really good and I really this movie really kind of

1412
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: really affected me. And I'm back on the PTA train.

1413
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 1: I got off, but I'm back on.

1414
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 2: Can I can I give you a compliment? This is

1415
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,680
Speaker 2: maybe it's a little bit of a backhanded compliment. I

1416
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 2: don't mean this backhand.

1417
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 1: I don't mean this back handedly. I mean this earnestly.

1418
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 2: You are the first and maybe the only white guy

1419
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 2: I want to talk to about this movie.

1420
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:52,799
Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you. I appreciate it. I have had

1421
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: several approach me. I'll just say this.

1422
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 2: I've had several white guys in my life being like, hey,

1423
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 2: did you see one battle after another? And I'm like, yes,

1424
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: I did, and I don't want to talk about it.

1425
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: And I knew we were going to do this episode.

1426
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 2: That's why I was like, because I already have a

1427
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:09,680
Speaker 2: guy that I want to talk to.

1428
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: But I've got a white guy. Thank you, I got

1429
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 1: a white guy.

1430
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: No. I was like, you know what, I want to

1431
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 2: save my juice to talk to Casey about it because

1432
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 2: It's like, that's the thing is that everybody wants to,

1433
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, a movie like this comes out and everyone's.

1434
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: Like, what's up, what's up?

1435
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 2: You see it?

1436
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 1: What you think? What you think?

1437
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I got no time for you. I

1438
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 2: got I only have Casey O'Brien, So.

1439
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: Get out of here. Oh that's very sweet, Milly. I

1440
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: appreciate you're welcome. I mean, honestly, it's not a backhanded compliment.

1441
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm just so I didn't I didn't even take it

1442
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:48,640
Speaker 1: as a backhand. Okay, I took it as a front handed.

1443
01:24:51,600 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 4: Oh boy, all right, that was great.

1444
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: Talk about one battle after another. And now it is

1445
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: time for employees Picks, which is our film recommendation based

1446
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 1: on the theme of the discussion. Millie, what's your employee

1447
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: pick today?

1448
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 2: Okay, so my employee pick for this week is also

1449
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:24,400
Speaker 2: about revolution. Basically, I would say maybe in a.

1450
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 1: Sci fi.

1451
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: Alternate reality dystopia world, I guess. And it is a

1452
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 2: movie called Born in Flames from nineteen eighty three, directed

1453
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 2: by Lizzie Borden, who I feel like is now getting

1454
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 2: the Criterion Collection treatment.

1455
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: I feel like there's like.

1456
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: Two of her movies on Criterion now. Working Girls and

1457
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 2: Born in Flames. Born in Flames was like, this is

1458
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 2: a movie that I remember seeing a long time ago

1459
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:02,320
Speaker 2: when I was younger, and I was like, this is

1460
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 2: one of the most punk rock movies I've ever seen,

1461
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 2: and it was cool.

1462
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: It had cool music.

1463
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 2: It is basically a movie about you know, black feminism

1464
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: and socialist feminism, and it's takes place in New York

1465
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:22,080
Speaker 2: City and it's basically like about you know, they use

1466
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 2: like they have like a pirate radio station and they're

1467
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 2: you know, basically like you know, in the streets, like

1468
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 2: calling out men for being you know, committing assaults, and

1469
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 2: you know, it's kind of like, I don't know, it

1470
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: just sort of like an interesting like it's like people

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01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 2: call it a sci fi movie because I guess it

1472
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 2: is taking place in like an alternate timeline where like

1473
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 2: a revolution has already happened in America and so this

1474
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: is just kind of like what happens in the aftermath

1475
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 2: of that, and this is how these like radical feminists

1476
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 2: are sort of handling it. But it's I don't know,

1477
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's a cool movie. Like I said,

1478
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: I feel like I think Catherine Bigelow, the director, Katherine

1479
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:14,960
Speaker 2: Bigelow is in.

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01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 1: It, oh briefly.

1481
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 2: Also Florence Kennedy Flo Kennedy, the amazing like radical feminist

1482
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,720
Speaker 2: civil rights advocate, She's.

1483
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: In the film. You know, there's just like a lot

1484
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: of like cool people. Eric Bogosian is in the movie. Briefly.

1485
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,640
Speaker 1: He was, I don't know, he's kind of got like.

1486
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 2: A little interesting downtown New York past. Yeah, And I

1487
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 2: don't know. It's kind of like a really cool, interesting,

1488
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 2: revolutionary gorilla home home filmmaking kind of type of movie.

1489
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 2: And like I said, it's all Criterion Collection now, so

1490
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 2: you guys can watch it.

1491
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: Uh, very good. I haven't seen it. I wrote about it.

1492
01:28:02,360 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 1: I think this is right up my alley. Yeah. I

1493
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:09,360
Speaker 1: wrote about it in the Underground Book, I think so. Yeah,

1494
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 1: I'll have to look that up because obviously I own

1495
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 1: that book. Okay, all right, uh okay. I am going

1496
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: to recommend a movie from twenty eighteen called Support the Girls,

1497
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:28,560
Speaker 1: which takes place at like a Hooter's knockoff restaurant, a restaurant,

1498
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: if you will, and it's a really good encapsulation of

1499
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 1: what it's like working at a restaurant, what it feels

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01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 1: like working a dead end job, what it feels like

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Speaker 1: managing a restaurant, working with shitty customers and having to

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Speaker 1: work with different personalities at a restaurant. I've never worked

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01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,600
Speaker 1: at a restaurant, but I, as I mentioned, when you know,

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01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: Tony Goldwin complimented me, I have worked in food service before.

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Speaker 1: But this is a great movie written and directed by

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Speaker 1: Andrew Bujalski, who did a movie called Computer Chess if

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01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: you've ever seen that one. He also did Funny hahah

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01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: And it stars Regina Hall. She's the main character in

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01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: the movie. She plays the manager of the restaurant. And

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Speaker 1: it also stars an actress named Jungle Pussy who both

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Speaker 1: of these people are in one battle after another. And

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Speaker 1: this is Jungle Pussy's first movie and she's great in it.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just kind of a little slice of

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Speaker 1: life comedy drama. I highly recommend it. It's really good.

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01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 1: I really liked it when it came out, and yeah,

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01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: check it out. Amazing rick employee, thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: fellow co worker. Uh Millie, Wow, what a great app

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Speaker 1: Thanks for going deep on one battle after another. Thank

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Speaker 1: you we did it. Oh, thank you. Well. If in

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Speaker 1: To we need you to you. We need to feel you.

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Speaker 2: We need to be in your sauce, in your essence,

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Speaker 2: in your vibe.

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Speaker 1: So we need to feel you exactly. Uh. Next week,

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Speaker 1: we got a big one Oh boy, oh boy. This

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Speaker 1: movie also could be called one Battle after another.

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01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 2: My life could be called one battle after another obviously.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm excited about this one. So next week

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Speaker 2: we are going to watch and talk about Predator from

1546
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. Damn Predator was nineteen eighty seven. Huh

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01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 2: yes that tracks.

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01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. My former governor, actually two of my former governors

1549
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: are in this movie. Is Jesse venturing this movie? I

1550
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: ain't got time to believe. Yes, we got shit. This

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01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 1: is good. That's cool. There's a new Predator movie coming out,

1552
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: so this is sort of in celebration of that. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: This is good. This will be a good palate cleanse.

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Speaker 2: It will be for sure. Case again, had a great

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01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 2: time talking with you this week. Thank you for going deep.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Millie. All right, see you later, Goodbye.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 2: Milli to Cherico and produced by my co host, Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom Bryfogel. Our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa Lilac.

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01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 2: Our incredible theme music is by the best band in

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Speaker 2: the entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgareff, Georgia hart Stark,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Kramer and Milli. To Jericho, we love you. Goodbye Beer,