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Speaker 1: Welcome to San Diego and Super Bowl twenty two, and

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Speaker 1: I'll Washington Redskins and a Denver.

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Speaker 2: Broncos and Williams Donkey Senors be teams or.

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Speaker 3: Eighty Williams records.

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Speaker 4: Washington junch dorming back Williams deep for senders again to catch.

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Speaker 5: Doug Williams hasn't voted the MVP of the game.

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Speaker 4: Look at his teammates surrounding Doug Williams last week for

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Speaker 4: the Washington Redskins and Doug Williams in particular.

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Speaker 3: Washington is the Super Bowl champion after thrashing the Denver

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Speaker 3: Broncos forty two to ten. Doug Williams becomes the first

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Speaker 3: black quarterback to both start and win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: That Super Bowl in San Diego was quite the game,

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Speaker 3: and today we won't be talking about it. Instead, we're

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Speaker 3: going to dive into how we got to that day

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Speaker 3: at Jack Murphy Stadium and really what happened in the

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Speaker 3: fourteen days between the nineteen eighty seven NFC Championship and

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl twenty two. This is Hail Tails Stories from

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Speaker 3: Washington Football History. Episode one Surprise Roommates, Media Madness, and

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl Hero You've never heard of Doug Williams's

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Speaker 3: story of lifting that trophy on January thirty first, nineteen

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Speaker 3: eighty eight, may as well start with a finish. That

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Speaker 3: is the end of the United States Football League. The

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Speaker 3: USFL was a pro football league in the US that

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Speaker 3: played a spring summer schedule for eighty six season. The

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Speaker 3: USFL owners wanted to move their schedule to the fall

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Speaker 3: in an attempt to directly compete with the NFL. It

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Speaker 3: was a risky decision that ultimately didn't pay off. Washington, though,

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Speaker 3: as sportswriter Rick Snyder explains, benefits from the fiasco.

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Speaker 6: The USFL folds the year before, and that really sets

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Speaker 6: them up in eighty seven because they pick up Doug Williams.

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Speaker 6: Not only Doug Williams for a million dollars. They had

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Speaker 6: to call Cook at home and say, you know, listen,

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Speaker 6: we want to sign this backup quarterback. Cooke didn't get

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Speaker 6: away of that, but they said to a million dollars,

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Speaker 6: which was huge money back then.

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Speaker 3: Coach had a plan, he was scheming.

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Speaker 7: I'm coach Joe Gibbs. Now I look at myself as

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Speaker 7: a risk in and commander for a number of years,

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Speaker 3: Coach had worked with Williams down in Tampa Bay, which

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Speaker 3: was important, but more significant coach Gibbs advocation for Williams

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Speaker 3: because he believed so hard in the Signal callers talents.

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Speaker 3: That belief led Tampa Bay to take Williams in the

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Speaker 3: first round of the nineteen seventy eight draft, which made

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Speaker 3: the Grambling State star the first black quarterback to be

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Speaker 3: drafted in the first round. And here Gibbs was advocating

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Speaker 7: When we got Doug. The thing I loved about having

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Speaker 7: What I love to have with a young quarterback playing,

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Speaker 7: I love to have a veteran backup behind him. Of course,

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Speaker 7: Doug fit perfectly for that.

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Speaker 3: Williams, the veteran is set to be the backup and

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Speaker 3: Jay Schrader, the young guy, is the starter. But Christine Brennan,

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Speaker 3: who covered the team for the Washington Post, recalls the

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Speaker 5: Had, the witching of quarterbacks basically back and forth, back

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Speaker 5: and forth, true uncertainty if Jay Schrader would keep the

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Speaker 5: Doug got a chance, and Jay was back.

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Speaker 7: Then Doug, and as the year went, it just became obvious.

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Speaker 7: Towards the end of that year, Doug had had a

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Speaker 7: and we kind of felt like the further we went

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Speaker 7: that year took place.

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Speaker 3: Doug Williams is the starter in the nineteen eighty seven

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Speaker 3: playoffs almost right away, as the team's then director of

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Speaker 3: media relations, John Canosa remembers, there's this rumble about the

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Speaker 3: history Williams could make that begins to crescendo. If Washington

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Speaker 3: kept winning and Williams kept playing how he was playing,

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Speaker 3: he'd be the first black quarterback to start a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knew it was, you know, it was one of

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Speaker 1: not like we had fifty Super Bowls. That was twenty two,

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Speaker 1: so we'd only had twenty one games up to that point,

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't you know, you didn't have to do.

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Speaker 8: A whole lot of research. Everybody knew that that was

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Speaker 3: On January seventeenth, nineteen eighty eight, Washington beats the Vikings

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Speaker 3: in the NFC Championship and it becomes real, this is happening.

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Speaker 3: A black quarterback is going to start a Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: for Shaq Harris, one of William's closest friends. The magnitude

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Speaker 9: I can remember when we won the championship game and

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Speaker 9: everybody reknew.

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Speaker 6: Tied Doune want him back to pack looking.

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Speaker 10: Look he throws into the ends all that the cup time.

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Speaker 5: That night they got break.

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Speaker 2: O, the Reds get break game away with five fifteen

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Speaker 10: Bowl like a Sert day.

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Speaker 3: I'm going through it.

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Speaker 9: So, you know, so so proud of him. So we

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Speaker 9: spend a lot of time I think sharing sharing that moment,

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Speaker 9: and I think after that, Doug was able to refocus

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Speaker 9: which was there, you know, a real challenge there because

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Speaker 5: I had already written and we'd certainly talked on TV

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Speaker 5: As a black man playing what even back then was

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Speaker 5: markers in history were already there in my mind. But

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Speaker 5: now the nation was going to find out about it.

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Speaker 5: This was going this is going wide. This was going

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Speaker 5: story that was building over several months, and then now

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Speaker 5: it's going to go to a national audience, and not

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Speaker 5: just a sports audience, but a cultural audience and a

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Speaker 5: historic audience in the sense of what Doug Williams means

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Speaker 5: not just in sports, not just in Washington, but not

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Speaker 5: was well aware of all that, but there was still

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Speaker 5: a real improbable nature to the whole thing. Washington really

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Speaker 5: did this, Joe Gibbs really pulled this off. This team

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Speaker 8: You know, when that game was over, it I realized

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Speaker 8: you know, being the first black quarterback. To be honest

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Speaker 8: the most important thing to me. As the days went along,

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Speaker 8: is probably going to be some media and everybody else

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Speaker 3: During that first week of Super Bowl prep in Washington.

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Speaker 3: Williams does not stay at his own house.

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Speaker 8: I didn't go home. I went to one of my

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Speaker 8: they did and I don't know, but I didn't want

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Speaker 8: no knocks on the door or anything like that. I

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Speaker 8: just went to Big Herd. We called him called No

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Speaker 8: Big Harry was a guy that I mean talking about

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Speaker 8: running with somebody. That's who I ran with most of

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Speaker 3: He was there, So Williams was going to and from

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Speaker 3: Big Herbs for practice, and the rest of the Burgundy

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Speaker 8: The good news was.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't our first rodeo, and Joe Gibbs was really

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Speaker 1: good at you know, we got one week to handle

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Speaker 1: all the family stuff, all the travel, all the logistics,

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Speaker 1: and then we have that second week when we're actually

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Speaker 1: week as humanly possible. You know, it's a super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: it's not possible. But Joe was a stickler for routine

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Speaker 8: It was a normal work week. Now the week of

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Speaker 8: the Super Bowl. That's fantastic.

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Speaker 3: Charles Man, three time Super Bowl champion and four time

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Speaker 3: Pro Bowler.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm getting goosebumps thinking about that because don't

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Speaker 3: But we had the fiercest practices.

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Speaker 7: I'll tell you they were so physical that I actually

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Speaker 7: cut practice short. I said, our guys are ready.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was like they were.

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Speaker 7: You know, we actually were physical in practice. We ran

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Speaker 9: He's got it.

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Speaker 7: They were ready.

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Speaker 3: The practices aren't the only part of that week that

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Speaker 5: The schools you grew up in were finally integrated.

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Speaker 8: You know. I had no problem with the media as

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Speaker 8: long as they was asking civilized courtions and things like that.

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Speaker 8: And you know, it was only one courtion that came up,

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Speaker 3: The question, how long have you been a black quarterback?

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Speaker 8: I knew the guy who asked the course, and he

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Speaker 8: was from originally from Jackson, Mississippi, who covered Gramlin in

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Speaker 8: Jackson State during that time. Her name is Butch Jones.

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Speaker 8: Since since then, buch Jones, blessed soul has passed away.

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Speaker 8: But Busch Jones called me before he passed. He was

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Speaker 8: telling me all the medical issues that he was having.

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Speaker 8: But he told me he appreciate the way I handled

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Speaker 8: the question because what he asked me was you know,

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Speaker 8: way it came out, and I told him, you know,

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Speaker 8: since I left Gramlin now, and that's was the truth.

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Speaker 8: But I knew what he was trying to say, and

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Speaker 8: I didn't. I wasn't gonna make him look bad or

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Speaker 8: and I just say, hey, you know, since I left

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Speaker 3: Though so much of the attention was focused on Williams

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Speaker 3: that day, fun fact, that's not where the concern of

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Speaker 3: Director of media Relations John Canoza.

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Speaker 1: Was Douglas predictable, Dexter not so much.

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Speaker 8: I'm Dexter Manley nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety. John's

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Speaker 10: Hello, my name is Barry Rudolph, and I wish the team.

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Speaker 3: That weekend in San Diego, doctor Rudolph would be called

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Speaker 10: So I said, the reason that I'm calling you is

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Speaker 1: We had a joint chapel service with the Denver Broncos

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Speaker 3: The Lawrence Welk Resort Village, Ladays and gentlemen.

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Speaker 8: It's the Lawrence Well Show.

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Speaker 7: We always take a team the night before and try

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Speaker 3: It is almost impossible to find a hotel for this

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Speaker 3: The night before Super Bowl, the team and coaches are

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Speaker 4: Our congratulations for Joe Gibbs, the Redskins, last week for

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Speaker 3: This episode was narrated, produced, and researched by me Hannah Liechtenstein,

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Speaker 3: senior copywriter for the Washington Commanders. It was produced and

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Speaker 3: edited by Jason Johnson. Executive producers ra El and Teen,

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Speaker 3: Ryan Joakum, and Kevin Klein. Graphics designed by Roman Schumann

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Speaker 3: and Rackim Smith. Social media by Maggie Antulis and Rebecca Solsbach.

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Speaker 3: Alumni relations help comes from Tim Hightower and Caroline Deco.

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Speaker 3: Special thank you to Dallas Taylor and Katie Montellione. Thank

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Speaker 3: you to our guests for their contributions, and thank you

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Speaker 3: for listening.