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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Troy Jackson has officially been fit

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Speaker 1: to challenge Senator Susan Collins in the great state of Maine.

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Speaker 1: We have such a fantastic show for you today. The

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Speaker 1: Latino Votes podcast host Mike Madrid talk to us about

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Speaker 1: how MAGA is fracturing and how Latino voters are the

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Speaker 1: new swing voters. Then we'll talk to the acl use

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Speaker 1: Mike Zamore and Hattie Gassima about ICE's abuses inside New

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Speaker 1: Jersey's Delaney Hall and other detention centers. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Maali, for some reason, we still have a White

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Speaker 2: House Correspondence Dinner, and despite it being an absolute failure

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Speaker 2: of an event as evidence by Friday Night's proceedings, are

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Speaker 2: you just still crying in your pillow that you didn't

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Speaker 2: get to attend?

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Speaker 1: So I have always been like a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a contrarian on the White House Correspondence Dinner. Basically since

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Speaker 1: Trump has been president since twenty sixteen, there's been a

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Speaker 1: feeling and it's grown over the last decade that the

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Speaker 1: White House Correspondents Association. Well, they do good work, right,

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Speaker 1: They do scholarships for students, they do public outreach. They

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Speaker 1: also are not doing themselves or any of us any

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Speaker 1: favors with the stupid dinner. So the point of the

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Speaker 1: dinner is, or at least the historic point of the

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Speaker 1: dinner was to raise money for scholarships, to highlight these

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Speaker 1: scholar students, and to focus on the job of the

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Speaker 1: White House correspondents. Over the years, and the New York

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Speaker 1: Times haven't been allowing their people to attend for like

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Speaker 1: ten years. I mean, you can go to cover, but

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Speaker 1: you know, they don't buy tables or anything. Basically, the

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Speaker 1: event has gotten more and more unpalatable. Now few thoughts

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Speaker 1: on the White House correspondence before we get into Donald

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Speaker 1: What Donald Trump did which everyone could have seen coming

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Speaker 1: a million miles away, which is he gave a really

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Speaker 1: really hostile speech that was embarrassing and I listened to

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Speaker 1: some of it. I mean, it's really long, and in

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Speaker 1: it he's just he's just mean and gross and mean

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Speaker 1: to Caitlin Collins. But part of why it is, part

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Speaker 1: of why I think it should be ended, is because

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Speaker 1: it's not Look, when people report they have to have sources,

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Speaker 1: and some of those sources are going to be in

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Speaker 1: the White House, whether or not the White House is

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Speaker 1: filled with or not, You're going to have to talk

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Speaker 1: to those people if you're going to report on them.

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Speaker 1: But that's just true. I mean, we may not like it,

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Speaker 1: but it's true. So some of the optics coming out

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Speaker 1: of that dinner, like Stephen Miller yucking it up with

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Speaker 1: real reporters, that stuff, it just looks really the optics

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Speaker 1: of it are horrendous. And then the other thing is

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Speaker 1: that just the idea of this kind of like these

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Speaker 1: cabinet members were clearly really I mean, some of them

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Speaker 1: are doing some really sketchy stuff, and to have them

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Speaker 1: sitting with the journalists who cover them and then having Trump,

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Speaker 1: it's just so bad. This is my personal Piccadillo. I

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Speaker 1: feel that the White House Press Association had more power

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Speaker 1: than a thought and should have when Donald Trump kicked

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Speaker 1: out the AP for not calling the Gulf of Mexico

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Speaker 1: the Gulf of America, which was stupid, but it was

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Speaker 1: a power grab, and what the White House Correspondence Association

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Speaker 1: should have done was been like, Okay, we're done, we're out,

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Speaker 1: because this administration needs the media just as much as

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Speaker 1: the media needs to cover this administration. But they didn't

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Speaker 1: do that, and so what happened was they ended up

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Speaker 1: in this situation where they've just had the White House

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Speaker 1: has taken almost all their power away. They decide who

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Speaker 1: was in the press pool, things that historically were not true.

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Speaker 1: They kicked out all the press pool at the Pentagon,

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Speaker 1: Like they've just done a lot of stuff that has

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Speaker 1: really limited press access, and all the while they've framed

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Speaker 1: it as if the press was somehow the bad guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like my husband don't necessarily like straight reporting,

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Speaker 1: feel that a lot of times straight reporters give this

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Speaker 1: administration the benefit of the doubt when they shouldn't. But

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Like the only way you're going to

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Speaker 1: be able to hold power to account is with straight reporting.

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Speaker 1: And there's a reason that these people are so obsessed

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Speaker 1: with ending the media, and it's because of things like this,

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Speaker 1: and like that is why the White House correspondence dinner

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Speaker 2: So, speaking of wrong moments, wrong person for the job,

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Speaker 2: We've been long complaining about Ken Martin, the head of

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Speaker 1: You know Adam Gentilsen, who has been on this podcast,

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Speaker 1: but who can be you know, complicated and is I

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Speaker 1: think a very good tweet about this where he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, this is it. This is the end

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Speaker 1: of Ken Martin's career. Like you like it, you don't

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Speaker 1: like it. He's not going to be able to like

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Speaker 1: because part of this job is just being able to

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Speaker 1: fake it till you make it right, to raise the

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Speaker 1: And he I just think he's run out of lock here.

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Speaker 1: But here's what I would say about Ken Martin. This

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Speaker 1: was always going to be a hard job, right the Well,

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Speaker 1: the DNC supposed to do? Raise for state parties. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, one of the things that I do

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Speaker 1: think Ken Martin did which was good, which was in

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Speaker 1: this Times article was he gave an extra one hundred

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Speaker 1: another state ledge and break a Republican supermajority. So that

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Speaker 1: was good. But you know, you're going to need someone

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Speaker 1: who has the faith of the donor class so you

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Speaker 1: him to resign. Look, it is very I think he's

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Speaker 1: having a very tough time. And I understand that one

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Speaker 1: of the nice things about Democrats is that they are

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Speaker 1: very nice to each other. But I think at this

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Speaker 1: He may have thrown a phone at an underling. It's

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Speaker 1: not entirely sure if he threw it at a junior

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Speaker 1: Trump has uh the RNC has raised million dollars and

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Speaker 1: Ken Martin has raised Right now he has the DNC

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Speaker 1: believable and so and he also at the last DNC

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Speaker 1: though have done that historically. But then the other thing

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Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, places that do

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Speaker 1: not elect a president or even members who have full

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Speaker 1: voting privileges. This is not a good moment for Ken

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about a lot that when us an

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Speaker 2: entrepreneurs talk that the heads of organizations really, what most

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Speaker 2: people don't see is that there's just supposed to be

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Speaker 2: a confidence man who makes it easy to raise funds

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Speaker 1: Right, either you can raise money or you can do media,

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Speaker 1: which Ben Wicker can do both. You know, it's funny

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Speaker 1: because when this happened, I was very like, I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: Ben Wickler's an outsider. Ken Martin's an insider. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: be you know what, who even knows. Maybe these state

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Speaker 1: have been better, and Ben Wicco could get in there now,

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Speaker 1: and it needs to happen. And you know, I know

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Speaker 1: there are people who know this podcasts, who are involved

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Speaker 1: if this is really about American democracy, which a lot

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Speaker 1: of us absolutely believe it is, you got to get

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to another horrible thing that happened, the

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Speaker 2: One Big Beautiful Bill. Apparently more than one million children

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Speaker 2: whilst to access to food benefits after it passed.

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Speaker 1: So we always knew this was coming because we are

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Speaker 1: because we read a lot of We read a lot

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Speaker 1: The goal of this was always to put new requirements

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Speaker 1: that four million Americans lost SNAP benefits. That's four million

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Speaker 1: Like that is Doge in a nutshell. And this is

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Speaker 1: because of One Beautiful Bill. So they were removed from SNAP.

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Speaker 1: So four hundred and fifty thousand Arizonas people who live

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Speaker 1: it so they can't stay on. Children make up a

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Speaker 1: Children across nine in states no longer receive SNAP. In Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: one in four children receiving SNAP lost benefits. In Massachusetts

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Speaker 1: and Texas, one fifth of children enrolled in the program

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Speaker 1: were removed. This is the legacy of Elon Musk, right,

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Speaker 1: This is the legacy of Doge and Donald Trump. This

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Speaker 1: is the this is the Big Beautiful Bill. This is

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Speaker 1: tax cuts for people like Howard Lutnek. This is the

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Speaker 1: America that Trump has ushered in. So if you think

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Speaker 1: about a million hungry children, that's I mean it is.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, just imagine these SNAP kids are not

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Speaker 1: It's not like their parents are doing great. It's like

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Speaker 1: their parents are barely hanging on and now they do

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Speaker 1: not have food snamps to buy food so they can eat.

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Speaker 1: And in a very inflationary environment where the economy is

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Speaker 1: bad for workers, where wages are not keeping up with inflation,

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Speaker 1: where things are getting more and more expensive, or gas

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Speaker 1: has wrought. This is what Elon Musk, trying to and fraud,

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Speaker 1: waste and abuse. The biggest beneficiary of government subsidy is

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk, has wrought this.

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Speaker 2: So the US Appeals Court has ruled Trump cannot implement

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Speaker 2: mail and voting bends.

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Speaker 1: So you know why this is important is because it's

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Speaker 1: just yet another time where this administration just keeps losing

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Speaker 1: in court, and this is one. So the federal appeals

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Speaker 1: Court said that Trump can't implement twenty three states this

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Speaker 1: executive order that titans mail and voting. By the way,

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Speaker 1: none of this is about like, this is all bullshit, right,

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Speaker 1: It's not about making voting safer. It's all about just

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Speaker 1: because he knows his to lose. I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: read you, as the District District Court reasoned, the executive

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Speaker 3: Always great to be with you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: I wonder if we could talk about I feel like

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Speaker 4: I look for many of us, I mean, the whole

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Speaker 1: And so let's just talk about You do a lot

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Speaker 1: So let's talk this through because I think it's really interesting.

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Speaker 4: modern economy. That's the problem is everybody's ideological. If you

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Speaker 4: love regulation for the sake of loving regulations, I don't

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Speaker 4: even know what that means. It's is it better to

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Speaker 4: have regulations and create poor people? Because California, manterfactured, is

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Speaker 4: poverty better than anybody in the world.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't think that's a good thing. I mean,

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Speaker 3: but I'm I'm not saying Texas and Florida are better.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying speaking they're different.

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Speaker 4: But the question is, how do you deal with affordability,

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Speaker 4: and both parties have done the wrong thing because we're

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Speaker 4: using last centuries solutions for this century's problems, and so

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Speaker 4: we go, well, do we regulate do we not regulate? Well,

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Speaker 4: how about we stop beginning with that question and try

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Speaker 4: to find the solution and work backwards regardless of whether

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Speaker 4: it's ideologically a fit for my red or blue team.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm no, And I think that's actually really

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Speaker 1: smart because but it is, like I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: think about the sort of big tenets of inflation housing costs,

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Speaker 1: it's insurance, and then it's those food costs, and that

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Speaker 1: energy costs, energy costs. Let's talk about energy for a minute,

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Speaker 1: because like what's happened with trump Ism is like this

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Speaker 1: broad deregulation, which you would think should theoretically, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that actually is how it works, but

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Speaker 1: should make things cheaper, and it hasn't.

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Speaker 4: Well, particular energy, you've got to create a war again,

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Speaker 4: lising it within a few weeks, you can throw that

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Speaker 4: whole framework out the window.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the reason why gas.

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Speaker 4: Is so expensive is because Iran is put a noose

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Speaker 4: around the world supply as they should be, Like, what

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Speaker 4: do we doing, you know, And so that's that I

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Speaker 4: think is it's it's a uniquely incompetent, stupid effort that

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Speaker 4: was done. That that kind of again is overshadowing everything.

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Speaker 4: But look, our economy is it's it's a function of supply, chainge.

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Speaker 4: Nobody's talking about the weakening currency value of the dollar.

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Speaker 4: The dollar is collapsing right now of Trump's policies. It's

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Speaker 4: not entirely his fault, but most of it is like

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Speaker 4: this aggressor nation and you're forcing other nations to get off.

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Speaker 3: The petro dollar.

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Speaker 4: Our currency is going to do value ten percent less,

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Speaker 4: worth less than when Trump took office. Ten percent increase

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Speaker 4: in goods is directly correlate the Trump's foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's a really good point. And

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Speaker 1: there's clearly Donald Trump has made a number of really

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Speaker 1: bad decisions that have made affordability even worse. So when

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Speaker 1: we talk about Latina voters, we're cruising into this midterm,

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Speaker 1: just give us sort of the places where Democrats can

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Speaker 1: sort of pick up voters in the midterms, where you're

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Speaker 1: seeing what you feel good about and what you're watching.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little bit more bullish on democrats prospects than

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Speaker 4: most pundits are. The reason why is I'm looking at

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Speaker 4: more of the electoral results as opposed to things like

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Speaker 4: the generic ballot and some of the averages.

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Speaker 1: I think you're talking about the number of primary voters

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Speaker 1: who show up right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, precisely, but also how they're behaving. Like nobody's polling

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Speaker 4: was showing Mikey Cheryl winning New Jersey by twelve fifteen points.

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Speaker 4: It's all saying, oh, it's the three or point raise.

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Speaker 4: Everybody was saying spam Burger in Virginia is going to

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Speaker 4: be a coin toss. It was anything, but it was

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Speaker 4: a blowout. And it's that you know, you're seeing these

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Speaker 4: twenty point shifts in Harris County, Texas where Tall Rico

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Speaker 4: a third of Tall Rico voters had no vote history

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Speaker 4: at all. Like, these are data points you cannot ignore.

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Speaker 4: You can, you know, try to argue why it's happening,

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Speaker 4: But the fact that it is happening and nobody's polling

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Speaker 4: was bringing it up tells us that we're missing something

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Speaker 4: in the voter models that we're using.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean.

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Speaker 4: Polling is bad, but it does mean is that there's

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Speaker 4: a lot more momentum the turnout models are volcanic for Democrats,

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Speaker 4: and we're seeing a lower turnout model for Republicans combined

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Speaker 4: with Molly. And this is the real kicker. Eighty percent

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Speaker 4: of Independents are breaking away from Republicans. I've never heard

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Speaker 4: of that, because it's never happened in my lifetime. Eighty

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Speaker 4: percent of independence is on its unprecedented ground, you know,

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Speaker 4: in elections.

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Speaker 3: But that's where we are, and it's.

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Speaker 4: Why I think we're going to be in a democrat

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Speaker 4: plus eleven environment, which means that you're going to Seemocrats

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Speaker 4: pick up over twenty seats in the House.

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Speaker 3: I think the Senate.

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Speaker 4: The Senate is very much in play again. I'm more

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Speaker 4: optimistic about it, and I think that I think that

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Speaker 4: that's going to fundamentally change the contours of the Republican

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Speaker 4: electorate because Donald Trump will be more of a liability

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Speaker 4: than an asset at a time when he's losing his step,

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Speaker 4: when he's losing policy support, when the MAGA base is

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Speaker 4: coming unwound.

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Speaker 1: The D plus eleven number we did see this week

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Speaker 1: a generic with a D plus eleven, which people said

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Speaker 1: was an outlier, but I was saying, he's got that number.

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Speaker 4: I said this back in January when you're the Prop

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Speaker 4: fifty campaign in California. I was saying, look, this is

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Speaker 4: not necessary.

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Speaker 3: I get why people are doing it, but if you're.

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Speaker 4: In a Democrat plus seven or eight environment, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: matter whether or not you're the redistricyc thing.

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Speaker 3: Is not going to matter.

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Speaker 4: I said, we will be probably in a Democrat plus

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Speaker 4: eleven environment. People said it was nuts then. I haven't

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Speaker 4: seen that outlier, but my guess is that number is

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Speaker 4: growing towards that double digit space, and there's every reason

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Speaker 4: to expect that the economy is getting worse, not better,

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Speaker 4: which means the Democrat plus eleven on the generic ballot

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Speaker 4: is very very likely now, which I'm hoping people will

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Speaker 4: come back and say that guy was right, but everyone,

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Speaker 4: of course will say that they've been saying all along

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Speaker 4: the way.

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Speaker 1: And I want you to talk about these low frequency voters,

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Speaker 1: because what you're saying in Harris County in Texas is

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Speaker 1: that you're seeing ones and twos low frequency voters, non

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Speaker 1: frequency voters, newly registered voters, the people who made Trump

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Speaker 1: president and where Trump's polling, where the polling showed that

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Speaker 1: Hillary is going to win, and actually it just did

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Speaker 1: not pull those people. So is that what you're seeing

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Speaker 1: on the Democratic side.

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Speaker 4: Now, No, because what's happening is the opposite from what

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Speaker 4: you and I have become accustomed to the Trump era.

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Speaker 4: One of the most fascinating things that's defining the Trump

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Speaker 4: era is the Republican Party is now the beneficiary of

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Speaker 4: high turnout elections and Democrats are the beneficiaries of low

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Speaker 4: turnout election right. So you correctly pointed out it's these

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Speaker 4: low propensity, low information voters that put Donald Trump in

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Speaker 4: the White House. These were voting Republican But now what

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Speaker 4: we're seeing is in this environment is the Republicans face

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Speaker 4: two problems. They're seeing defections from their own MAGA base,

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Speaker 4: as you've been pointing out, and as marginal as it

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Speaker 4: is twenty percent or so, that's very consequential in an

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Speaker 4: election when you're having tough time in a low turnout

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Speaker 4: election anyway. But more importantly, they carved seats, especially in

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Speaker 4: Latino districts like Texas around along the Rio Grande, out

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Speaker 4: for themselves based off of this false presumption that these

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Speaker 4: low propensity Latino voters, We're going to not only be

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Speaker 4: with them, but be with them in big turnout numbers.

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Speaker 4: Neither of those assumptions are panning out. In fact, the

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Speaker 4: exact opposite is happening.

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Speaker 3: So there's dummy mander As people keep calling out.

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Speaker 5: I think likely.

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Speaker 4: So you could see these seats that Republicans carved out

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Speaker 4: for themselves, the Republicans losing at least two maybe three seats,

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Speaker 4: actually putting some of the seats that they in Texas,

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Speaker 4: the seats they had to weaken outside of that to

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Speaker 4: carve these stronger Republican seats. Yeah, if you went from

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Speaker 4: a Republican plus seven seat to Republican plus four in

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Speaker 4: order to give up those votes for another Republican seat

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Speaker 4: in Texas, you're regretting that decision because nobody view is

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Speaker 4: a competitive seat and you are now you absolutely all.

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Speaker 1: And in a deplus eleven. So then make sense of

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Speaker 1: the Mike Lawler seat because New York State has a

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Speaker 1: few has a bunch of seats that are tight. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Mike Lawler should be losing that seat, and he's actually

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Speaker 1: I mean New York State may be weird, maybe different.

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Speaker 1: We've seen that in other elections.

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Speaker 4: There's only about five seats and two of them are

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Speaker 4: like in Long Island, or New York area. The three

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Speaker 4: are in like Orange County, California, North San Diego, where

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Speaker 4: you have a high number of college educated professional class

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Speaker 4: workers with blue collar workers. It's very very rare. Only

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Speaker 4: in New York and California. Lawler is one of those seats.

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Speaker 4: But like I said, the defections that are coming tend

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Speaker 4: to be college educated Republicans. It doesn't matter whether you

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Speaker 4: lose them in rural Georgia or Alabama, right Like, who

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Speaker 4: cares whether or not if you're getting twenty percent of

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Speaker 4: Republicans or fifteen percent of Republicans, you lose one in

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Speaker 4: five MAGA voters in Lawler's district.

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Speaker 3: And he's done. He's toast. This was a big part

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Speaker 3: of our Lincoln.

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Speaker 4: Project strategy in twenty twenty. Those seats particularly, we were

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Speaker 4: focusing really on college educated Republicans. There are so many

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Speaker 4: more now working class gettable Latinos that that is really

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Speaker 4: the demographic where the focus on the balance of power

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Speaker 4: is going to be.

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Speaker 3: Does Lawler survive?

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I haven't looked at that districts too much. My

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Speaker 4: guess is probably not, depending on the credibility of the

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Speaker 4: Democratic candidate, just because the place where Republicans are losing

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Speaker 4: support levels of most amongst their own base are characterized

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Speaker 4: by those Orange County, California, Long Island, New York districts

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Speaker 4: like his.

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Speaker 1: It would be malpractice if I didn't ask you about

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Speaker 1: Tella Rico. It is in my mind, the least likely

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Speaker 1: of those pickups, because I think Alaska, Iowa, Ohio more likely.

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Speaker 1: But tell Rico is sort of an amazing candidate in

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Speaker 1: Paxton is a disaster. So what you're thinking.

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Speaker 3: There, well, it's exactly like yours.

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Speaker 4: In order to win Texas, and Texas has always been

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Speaker 4: sort of the holy grail for Democrats.

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Speaker 3: I've always cautioned saying that this is Texas.

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Speaker 4: This is you know, when you look at the numbers

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Speaker 4: on the map, they're not telling the whole story.

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Speaker 3: You need three things to happen in Texas.

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Speaker 4: You have to have a remarkably good Democratic candidate, which

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Speaker 4: you do. You have to have a remarkably bad candidate

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Speaker 4: in Paxton, which the Republicans do. And you have to

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Speaker 4: have a very sour mood for incumbent Republicans, which you

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Speaker 4: also do. So if it's going to happen, it's going

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Speaker 4: to happen in a year like this. I was saying,

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Speaker 4: Betthrowurk is not going to win coolier jets.

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Speaker 3: That's not a real thing.

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Speaker 4: I'm a little less saying that, A little bit less

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Speaker 4: now having said that, I agree with you, But listen

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Speaker 4: to what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Listen what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: Alaska is more in contention than a Texas. Iowa is

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Speaker 4: more likely to go Ohio. The fact that we're talking

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Speaker 4: about those states being in play mean that the battlefield

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Speaker 4: is a lot bigger than people think it is.

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Speaker 3: And it is.

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Speaker 4: That's why I said, you're going to see some surprises.

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Speaker 4: A lot of pundits I think are being very conservative

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Speaker 4: right now. Can things change in the next three months, yes?

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Speaker 3: Will they Yes?

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Speaker 4: But there's also a good Likelihad, that it gets worse

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Speaker 4: for Republicans, not better. And when you're seeing these states

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Speaker 4: that should not be in play in contention, and Texas

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Speaker 4: is a battleground state, whether you want to admit it

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Speaker 4: or not, Republicans, that's telling you that the demographic collapse

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Speaker 4: is widespreadish not with any one group, it's with all group.

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Speaker 3: For Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Mike Madrid, will you please come back.

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Speaker 3: I would love to, Mollie. Thanks for having me I

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Speaker 3: appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Hattie Gassima is a senior policy council on immigration policy

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Speaker 1: at the acl You and Mike Zamore is a National

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Speaker 1: director of Policy and Government Affairs at the ACLU. Welcome, love,

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Speaker 1: gom Hattie and Mike, and I'm going to have you

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Speaker 1: both in introduce yourselves. Mike tell us who you are

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Speaker 1: and what you do, and then Hattie, will you please

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Speaker 1: do the same.

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Speaker 5: Sure. I'm Mike Theymore. I'm the National Director of Policy

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Speaker 5: and Government Affairs at the American Civil Liberties Union and

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Speaker 5: work with our team on the whole host of issues

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Speaker 5: affecting our rights and our freedoms.

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Speaker 1: And Hattie Hi, I'm Hattie.

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Speaker 6: I serve as a senior policy council on our immigration

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Speaker 6: policy team at the ACLU, and I lead our detention

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Speaker 6: advocacy work, amongst a couple of other issue areas related

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Speaker 6: to immigration.

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Speaker 1: You guys are here to talk about a number of things,

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Speaker 1: but one of the things that I am particularly interested

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Speaker 1: in talking about because it's so close to where I

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Speaker 1: am right now, is Delaney Hall. And you guys have

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Speaker 1: been really writing about this, talking about it and also

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Speaker 1: advocating right So I'd love you whoever feels the most

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Speaker 1: comfortable starting us out on what's happening at Laney Hall

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Speaker 1: right now and what the scou is doing.

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Speaker 5: What we have.

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Speaker 6: Seen in Delaney Hall over the past couple of weeks

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Speaker 6: now is you know, I think emblematic of what we

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Speaker 6: are seeing in immigration detention just across the country, which

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Speaker 6: is that this is a system that has grown exponentially.

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Speaker 6: It's growing with very little accountability, with an increase in funding,

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Speaker 6: while the conditions in the facilities are deteriorating. And so

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Speaker 6: what we're hearing from detained people in Delaney Hall is

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Speaker 6: that the food is you know, inedible, there's little to

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Speaker 6: no medical care whatsoever. There's been you know, instances of

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Speaker 6: alleged physical abuse by guards at the facility. There's lots

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Speaker 6: of pressure and duress to give up legitimate immigration claims

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Speaker 6: and to you know, go for voluntary deportations. So we're

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Speaker 6: hearing all these stances, and what we've seen last month

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Speaker 6: and the month prior is that detained individuals, in order

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Speaker 6: to shine a light into the terrific conditions that the

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Speaker 6: facility decided to stage a hunger strike to bring light

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Speaker 6: and attention. I think it's really important to also underscore

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Speaker 6: that the reason why people would go to such a

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Speaker 6: last resort measure as starving themselves to shine a light

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Speaker 6: into their experiences and a detention facility is that we

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Speaker 6: have so little access to these facilities. There is no

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Speaker 6: sort of independent oversight body. Very few people can go in,

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Speaker 6: mostly members of Congress, and we're seeing even that has

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Speaker 6: become increasingly harder and harder under this administration.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, Mike, you want to talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: members of Congress who have gone to Delaney Hall on

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Speaker 1: what's happened to them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's been a steady stream of effort to conduct

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Speaker 5: oversight over this facility because the conditions are so squalid

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Speaker 5: and the stories coming out of it are really horrific.

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Speaker 5: And the most prominent controversial situation is one that happens

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Speaker 5: a number of months ago now where the mayor of

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Speaker 5: Newark was there to make a visit. As worse some

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Speaker 5: members of Congress.

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Speaker 1: Delaney Hall is basically in Newark.

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Speaker 5: It's in Newark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, So technically these are his constituents.

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Speaker 5: His city has responsibility for overseeing the conditions there, like

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Speaker 5: any facility in the city. But ICE and the geogroup

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Speaker 5: the for profit contractor don't want to let anybody in.

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Speaker 5: There's like a big cover up happening at Delaney Hall.

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Speaker 5: So we should be, you know, we should be clearly

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Speaker 5: like what's going on here is that they are deliberately

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Speaker 5: creating these terrible conditions. So, as Hattie said, people will

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Speaker 5: decide that the path of least resistance is just to

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Speaker 5: leave the country, whether or not they have a right

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Speaker 5: to be here, whether or not the administration has valid

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Speaker 5: grounds to support them. So they're trying to prevent people

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Speaker 5: from getting a look inside. And so when the mayor

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Speaker 5: went to go try to take a look, they first

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Speaker 5: refused him, he left, and then on the direct orders

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Speaker 5: of the Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, whose confirmation will

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Speaker 5: be next week in the Senate for the permanent job,

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Speaker 5: the ICE agents waded into a crowd of protesters, created

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Speaker 5: a big conflict, and coming out of this they ended

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Speaker 5: up charging a US representative from New Jersey, La Monica

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Speaker 5: mc iver. And so she's been charged now with federal crimes.

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Speaker 5: That Carrie sentences of nearly a decade in prison for

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Speaker 5: being in this crowd protesting.

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Speaker 1: And she was kept in jail too, right, she was

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Speaker 1: in jail.

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Speaker 5: I believe overnight she you know, stupidentually was released but

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Speaker 5: is still facing this frial. She's got a couple of

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Speaker 5: appeals up at the third circuit now. But I think

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Speaker 5: what's really striking is this is a sitting member of

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Speaker 5: Congress doing her job to conduct oversight.

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Speaker 1: They're supposed to do oversight on this. Isn't that part

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Speaker 1: of their job?

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Speaker 6: Yes, you are absolutely right. As I mentioned before, members

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Speaker 6: of Congress are some of the only people who can

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Speaker 6: have oversight and access into detention facilities.

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Speaker 1: They have the authority to.

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Speaker 6: Conduct announced or unannounced visits to any of these immigration

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Speaker 6: detention facilities, because of course it is Congress that also

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Speaker 6: funds the operation of these facilities. But what we have

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Speaker 6: seen under this administration is a steady push to obstruct

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Speaker 6: that oversight authority from you know, the earliest days of

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Speaker 6: this second term. Their ice has had numerous policy changes

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Speaker 6: around when and how and how much notice members of

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Speaker 6: Congress should give them in order to be able to

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Speaker 6: you know, do their oversight work. And members of Congress

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Speaker 6: you know, rightfully so pushed back and in fact actually

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Speaker 6: sued on their right to conduct these oversight visits. And

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Speaker 6: again through that litigation. The courts have said very clearly

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Speaker 6: over and over again that they have this right to

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Speaker 6: conduct oversight measures. And what we're still seeing, you know,

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Speaker 6: up until now with Delaney Hall, is that that oversight

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Speaker 6: authority is constantly being obstructed. I mean, I think at

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Speaker 6: the height of some of the what was happening at

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Speaker 6: Delaney Hall, we had to have sitting members of Congress

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Speaker 6: directly do outreach to the Secretary of DHS Mullen to

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Speaker 6: again just respect their oversight authority to do their job

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Speaker 6: and visit the facility.

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Speaker 1: What happened Right now? Where are we now? Like Delaney Hall.

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Speaker 1: I have some protesters text me pretty regularly. They told

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Speaker 1: me that their's and again I don't know, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not journalists, so who knows. But they did tell

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Speaker 1: me that there's facial recognition software that if you protest

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Speaker 1: that eventually the police start to call you by name,

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Speaker 1: and that's how you know you're about to get arrested.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard about this and is that happening?

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Speaker 5: This has been a pattern that's been expanding and accelerating

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Speaker 5: over the course of the last eighteen months of his administration,

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Speaker 5: where Ice is using the massive one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: billion plus dollars that Congress has dumped in their lap

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Speaker 5: to buy all kinds of tech that is used for surveillance,

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Speaker 5: and then they're wielding that to try to intimidate, harassed,

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Speaker 5: sometimes arrest, sometimes injure, or even as we've seen, kill

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Speaker 5: protesters who are exercising their First Amendment right. We have

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Speaker 5: a report that we put out just about a week

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Speaker 5: and a half ago called Agents of Chaos and Cruelty

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Speaker 5: that documents the extent to which the immigration enforcement actions

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Speaker 5: of this administration are really rooted in violations of constitutional

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Speaker 5: rights and in misconduct. So we looked at a data

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Speaker 5: across eight states, found that in about a third of

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Speaker 5: all of the arrest and enforcement actions there was this conduct,

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Speaker 5: and there were abuses and affect children, affect the US citizens,

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Speaker 5: people for some Venmoor rights, lots of injuries, lots of

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Speaker 5: broken windows and things like that. So you know, this

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Speaker 5: is not a few bad apples, right like, this is

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Speaker 5: not where things are going wrong because they're moving back.

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Speaker 5: This is the policy of Steven Miller's America. They want

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Speaker 5: to inflict, you know, maximum pain and fear and create

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Speaker 5: the conditions where people are afraid to protest. People are

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Speaker 5: afraid to stand up for their neighbors. People are afraid

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Speaker 5: to be here if they're not the right origins or

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Speaker 5: even the right color. And we're seeing it both in

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Speaker 5: the detention and the conditions at places like Delaney Hall

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Speaker 5: and elsewhere where over fifty people have died in custody

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Speaker 5: since the administration took office. Then we're seeing it in

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Speaker 5: the streets where you have rampaging ice officers shooting and

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Speaker 5: killing two people just in a lot of ten days.

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Speaker 5: This is a pattern that is deeply alarming if you

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Speaker 5: believe in you know, rights, freedom, rule of law.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about the ice killings, because we had

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Speaker 1: two citizens killed and then we've had now they were

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Speaker 1: both murdered. Then we've had two other murders and also

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Speaker 1: someone hit by a car.

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Speaker 5: Right, yeah, the last three that you just mentioned, we're

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Speaker 5: all like in a span of five days. What we've

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Speaker 5: seen in all of these instances is poorly trained, poorly

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Speaker 5: vetted ice agents doing the thing that they have been

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Speaker 5: encouraged and instructed to do. And you know, we don't

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Speaker 5: have necessarily like you know, they're not being told like goho,

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Speaker 5: smash a window and shoot somebody in their car but

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Speaker 5: they are being given a clear message that the goal

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Speaker 5: here is to inflict terror and harm, and that if

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Speaker 5: anybody gets in your way, you break them. Stephen Miller

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Speaker 5: said it from the podium in the White House, right like,

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Speaker 5: you do not have any accountability and if anybody gets

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Speaker 5: in your way, then you have a license to do

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Speaker 5: your job. The message could not be clear, and the

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Speaker 5: results are predictable. So what we've seen is people like

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Speaker 5: Lorenzo Salgado Arao in Houston and Joan Sebastian Guerrero in Maine,

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Speaker 5: both like upstanding citizens, killers of their community. Mister Arajo

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Speaker 5: and Houston had been in distress for thirty years, rates

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Speaker 5: three citizen kids who were all successful, and he had employees.

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Speaker 5: He was doing all of the things that are the

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Speaker 5: American dream. He was the American dream and he was

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Speaker 5: shot dead for it because he happened to be born

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Speaker 5: in Mexico. And Steven Miller doesn't like that. This is

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Speaker 5: what we get when we build also that way.

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Speaker 1: He was also clad right, he wasn't meant to be

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Speaker 1: the stop.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he wasn't technically the target like they wasn't

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Speaker 5: like they were looking for somebody, and it wasn't him. However,

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Speaker 5: let's be really clear that he was the target insofar

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Speaker 5: as he was Mexican born. We've seen this administration doing

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Speaker 5: these dragnet stops in city after city because they have

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Speaker 5: a quota and a rest quota, so it's like, we're

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Speaker 5: not out there. They're not really out there to get

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Speaker 5: the particular people or to get the worst of the worst.

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Speaker 5: They're there to hit their number two thousand arrests a day,

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Speaker 5: and so they're picking up anybody who they hear speaking Spanish.

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Speaker 5: They're going to neighborhood that are no immigrant, you know,

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Speaker 5: immigrant communities. They're going to the parking lots where people

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Speaker 5: look for work. And Brett kavanaughs that that was all okay.

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Speaker 5: And you know, in a decision out of the shadow

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Speaker 5: Docket from the Supreme Court, the racial profiling and kind

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Speaker 5: of dragnet sweeps are the backbone of the strategy here

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Speaker 5: to inflict his terror and drive up the numbers. And so, no,

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Speaker 5: Misha was not the you know, he was not the

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Speaker 5: guy his name was on the warrant. But yes, he

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Speaker 5: absolutely was the intended target in the broader sense.

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Speaker 1: When we look at Delaney Hall, are there other Delaney

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Speaker 1: halls several more.

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Speaker 6: In fact, I mean ICE has a sweeping network of

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Speaker 6: over two hundred closer to three hundred detention facilities across

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Speaker 6: the country. In fact, you know, we saw the hunger

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Speaker 6: strike happen in Delaney Hall, and at that time, or

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Speaker 6: you know, right around that time, there were about six

874
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Speaker 6: other hunger strikes happening across the country in these immigration

875
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Speaker 6: detention facilities, all highlighting some of the same conditions issues

876
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Speaker 6: rancid food, medical neglect, you know, pressure and being under

877
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Speaker 6: duress to give up immigration cases, other forms of physical

878
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Speaker 6: in some cases, sexual violence and abuse. The other thing is,

879
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Speaker 6: you know, to Mike's earlier point about the amount of

880
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Speaker 6: funding and money that they have, this system is only expanding,

881
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Speaker 6: and you know, they're pushing to expand it even more.

882
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Speaker 6: They've attempted to purchase warehouses across the country, industrial warehouses

883
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Speaker 6: to detain human beings in you know, it was largely

884
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Speaker 6: due to a lot of I think local community organizing

885
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Speaker 6: and push back and litigation that has kind of slowed

886
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Speaker 6: down the process of those facilities, those warehouse facilities opening,

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Speaker 6: But they're still at it with their expansion. And this

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Speaker 6: is also I think it's important to name that they're

889
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Speaker 6: also not only pushing to detain adults, but child and

890
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Speaker 6: family detention is also increasing exponentially. The government is seeking

891
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Speaker 6: currently to have a three thousand bad detention space for

892
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Speaker 6: unaccompanied kids, and they're also poised to open a facility

893
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Speaker 6: for families and children in Alexandria in a place that

894
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Speaker 6: is on a military site excuse me, that is known

895
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Speaker 6: to have like toxic materials and chemicals in the soil

896
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Speaker 6: and in the land.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is just.

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Speaker 6: To paint like a very clear picture of what this

899
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Speaker 6: administration's immigration detention system looks like. It's one that is expanding,

900
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 6: It's one that has gone unchecked. It's one that Congress

901
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 6: has given a blank check too. I mean we're talking

902
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 6: from the big beautiful bill forty five billion dollars specifically

903
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 6: for immigration expansion, and this most recent reconciliation bill gave

904
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Speaker 6: them about I think seventy billion dollars. It doesn't have

905
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Speaker 6: a line item for immigration detention, but it does give

906
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Speaker 6: that money to the agency again that is like running

907
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Speaker 6: and operating these facilities in tandem with these private prison

908
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Speaker 6: companies that are also making an astronomical profit off of

909
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 6: this type of human suffering, you know, at a time

910
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Speaker 6: when there's such an affordability issue in this country, at

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00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 6: a time where the average American is struggling to you know,

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00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 6: put food on the table, pay mortgages and rent, put.

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Speaker 1: Gas in tax dollars.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, are all being paid for with our tax dollars.

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Speaker 1: Is there any sort of bright spot here?

916
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Speaker 5: Well, one bright spot is that the American people are

917
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Speaker 5: seeing this and are horrified. So yesterday a Fox News

918
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Speaker 5: poll came out that showed that people trust Democrats more

919
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 5: than Republicans than the issue of immigration for the first

920
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Speaker 5: time and who knows how long. I think that the

921
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Speaker 5: reaction in Minnesota. You had mentioned when the two US

922
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Speaker 5: citizens were shot and killed up there, Alex Pretti and

923
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Speaker 5: Rene Good, two separate incidents, and that came emits. I mean,

924
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Speaker 5: that was the big headline story. But I think that

925
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Speaker 5: the real story out of Minneapolis was the way that

926
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Speaker 5: community rallied and people came and supported their neighbors and

927
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Speaker 5: brought deals to people so they wouldn't have to leave

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Speaker 5: their own that they was an incredible outpouring of community

929
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Speaker 5: support for people's neighbors and friends and family who were

930
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Speaker 5: being targeted by ice. And I think what we're seeing

931
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Speaker 5: is a you know, we've been paralyzed as a country

932
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Speaker 5: around immigration as an issue for a really long time.

933
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Speaker 5: And what we're seeing is people are getting to see

934
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Speaker 5: like Donald Trump's id version of immigration, which is like

935
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Speaker 5: Stephen Miller unleashed terror, you know, kind of like you know,

936
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Speaker 5: paramilitary fifty thousand person strong deportation force, wrecking communities, breaking

937
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Speaker 5: up industries, workforces, locking up children, and warehouse sized facilities.

938
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Speaker 5: And people do not like it. And so I think

939
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Speaker 5: there's an opportunity now for us to really change the

940
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Speaker 5: script here and talk about, Okay, well, what do we

941
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Speaker 5: need as a country, Like, immigrants are essential parts of

942
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Speaker 5: our communities. They make our communities stronger. We know this

943
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Speaker 5: from all kinds of ways, and we're seeing now in

944
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Speaker 5: places where they're missing what it means for everybody. So

945
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Speaker 5: let's build a country that actually celebrates and builds on

946
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Speaker 5: the strength that immigrants give us. We can write, you know,

947
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Speaker 5: it's important that we have laws and enforce the law,

948
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Speaker 5: that we have a form of legal immigration that's respectable

949
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Speaker 5: of the need to do asylum right, that gives people

950
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Speaker 5: a path of the citizenship when they've been here for

951
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Speaker 5: a long time. And that manages immigration in a way

952
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 5: that helps strengthen our communities, not in a way that

953
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Speaker 5: is intended to be punitive and harsh and divide people

954
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 5: and scapegoat certain parts of our population. And I think

955
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 5: we are seeing that pivot in front of us, and

956
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 5: we're certainly looking to capture this moment and create something

957
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Speaker 5: better out of it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Hattie, thank you, thank you, Mike,

959
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: thank you, thank.

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00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 5: You, Molly.

961
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Speaker 1: No moment, Jesse Cannon, So my junk fast.

962
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Speaker 2: One of the things we see every election cycle, ause

963
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 2: it gets to be this time of year, is a

964
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Speaker 2: bunch of bread states will try throwing out a bunch

965
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Speaker 2: of voter roles and hopes that it'll make it so

966
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Speaker 2: that less Democrats can vote, that they need to get

967
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: provisional ballots, that they won't go through the trouble of voting.

968
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Speaker 2: And this year we're seeing Alaska doing it because guess

969
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Speaker 2: what Alaska Senate seat is looking like it's going to

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Speaker 2: go down.

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Speaker 1: Right, So this is such a This is such exactly

972
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Speaker 1: what you think it is, right, Donald Trump wanting people

973
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Speaker 1: not to be able to vote. This is the same

974
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Speaker 1: as what it was with the mail in ballad. So

975
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Speaker 1: Mary Patola is looking like she's pulling ahead of Dan Sullivan.

976
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Speaker 1: And so Alaska has removed thousands of people from its

977
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Speaker 1: voter roles, claiming they might not be citizens. You know

978
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Speaker 1: how many non citizens are in Alaska. First of all,

979
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Speaker 1: it's Alaska. It costs like ten thousand dollars to get there.

980
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: It's miles and miles away from everything.

981
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Speaker 2: I've heard so many tales of immigrants going all the

982
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Speaker 2: way from Mexico up to Alaska because they love the climate.

983
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Speaker 1: Right, They've just come for the cold and stay for

984
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Speaker 1: the cold. The good news is that the director of

985
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Speaker 1: Alaska's Division of Elections told state legislators on Wednesday that

986
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Speaker 1: old data was the reason the mistake and that she

987
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Speaker 1: wasn't sure why so many Alaska residents were labeled as

988
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Speaker 1: non citizens. Obviously some kind of hopefully a mistake and

989
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: not a not some kind of like doge getting in

990
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: the machines. And she said, usually it finds like two

991
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Speaker 1: hundred names that were tagged for extra strutiny. Now, the

992
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: good news is this scrutiny. It seems like they're going

993
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: to look at these these names and then make sure

994
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: they're put back on. So the good news about Alaska

995
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: is that they're primaries on August eighteenth, so they will

996
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Speaker 1: I think people will be able to vote and it

997
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: won't be a problem. Also, Alaska is really good mail,

998
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: which is good, and they've had that for a long time.

999
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, it's just it's going to be

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Speaker 1: a long hundred days, maybe more. That's it for this

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