1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: Well the author of six books, five or New York 9 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: Times best selling author, best selling books. He is now 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: at The Athletic, He's been at the New York Post. 11 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: To me, is the most dependable columnist in America, a 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: great reporter and a great writer. And her friend Ian 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: O'Connor joining us now live. The article in The Athletic 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: today very comprehensive and it pointed to what I said 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: about Spygate. I would have voted Bill in, but I'm 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: not gonna hammer the people sports writers, whoever it is, 17 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: who's he said, listen spygate. The NFL doesn't make Ian 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: a regular habit of taking away first round picks and 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: third round picks. There were two spy gates. They were 20 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: warned for seven years. So how do you answer to 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: the people that say, yes, he's the best coach of 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: all time, but there has to be attacks on Spygate. 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: I think it's a fair opinion, Colin. I would just 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 3: say this, Let's take early in the two thousand and 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: seven season, when it's uncovered and he is found to 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: have cheated and broken the rules and. 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 4: All that was spygate. 28 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 3: If you go forward from that point on, so I'm 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 3: going to hand you back his first three Super Bowl 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: Championship trophies. Take them off the board. Okayre yours go 31 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: from that point forward. He went to six Super Bowls, 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 3: he won three of them. He went to nine AFC 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 3: Championship games and won twelve divisions division titles. I mean 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: so like, I think Spygate should have been brought up 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: in the discussion with the voting committee, without question. But 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: I think it's a minute discussion because if you just 37 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 3: go forward from two thousand and seven when he was 38 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: caught early in week one, so he goes eighteen and zero, 39 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: maybe the best team in the history of American sports 40 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 3: not to win a championship, and then does what he 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: does in big games going forward. He's a slam dunk 42 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: Hall of Famer. Even if you hand back the first 43 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: three trophies. So That's how I would handle it. I 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: think it is worthy of being discussed, but it should 45 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 3: have been maybe a five minute part of the conversation, 46 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 3: and it was longer than that. 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, by the way, you have a Baseball 48 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame vote and there were PD situations, how 49 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: did you view the PD stuff in baseball as attacks? 50 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: So just like I felt that Belichick's career completely overwhelmed Spygate, 51 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: I feel like in the case of Roger Clemens and 52 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: Barry Bonds, same thing. Seven time MVP with Bonds, seven 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 3: time Cy Young winner in Clemens, the two most decorated 54 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: players in the history of the BBWAA, the organization I 55 00:02:58,720 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: represent when I. 56 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: Cast the ball. So I voted for those two guys. 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: They are two of the top eight players in the 58 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: history of baseball. 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 4: By the measurement of war and I didn't vote. 60 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: For the other ped guys because I felt they fell 61 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: below that standard and should be penalized for their cheating. 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 3: When you completely overwhelmed the transgression the way Belichick did, 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: then I think again, you are a no brainer Hall 64 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: of Famer, and that should have been the case here 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 3: instead of the biggest embarrassment in the history of the 66 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame all the ye. 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: This is good stuff. Okay, it is interesting, is that? 68 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,119 Speaker 1: And I wouldn't hold this against him. But Jimmy Johnson, 69 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: without Troy Aikman in his prime, went to Miami with 70 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: an old Immobile Marino and actually had a higher winning 71 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: percentage in Miami than he did in Dallas. Joe Gibbs 72 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: won three Super Bowls with three different quarterbacks, Parcels won 73 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: two with Hostetler and Simms. And by the way, Bill Waller, oh, 74 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: bench Lombardi did not get in the first year of eligibility. 75 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: Could I argue this with Belichick? Okay, Bill, listen, they 76 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: just changed the methodology. If Shula had to wait five 77 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: years and by the way, got to the Super Bowl 78 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: with David Woodley, Earl Morile, and Marino, I'm not putting 79 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: you in first year. When I the accumulation of Spygate, 80 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: your record without Brady everybody else waited. 81 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 4: Is that a reasonable argument? I don't think so. 82 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 3: Again, I think the record is so staggering with or 83 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: without the cheating. 84 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 4: That he has to go in on the first ballot. 85 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 4: It's not his fault. They change the rules and they 86 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 4: no longer have. 87 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: To wait five years, and it's it's a one year 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 3: deal and he's in front of you. I just there's 89 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: no good excuse for not voting for the greatest NFL 90 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 3: coach of all time, no matter how you slice it. 91 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 4: Now, listen, the Hall of Fame needs to fix some 92 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 4: things here. 93 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: You can't have senior players competing against coaches and contributors 94 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: in a category where you're only allowed to vote for 95 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 3: three of the five guys. 96 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 4: Why can't you vote for all five if you think 97 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 4: they're worthy. 98 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 3: If that were the case, Belichick would be in and 99 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 3: you wouldn't have this embarrassment. 100 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: And so the other thing. 101 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: And this is a minor tweak, but it would help 102 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: go from eighty percent down to seventy five percent, which 103 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 3: is the baseball standard. Yes, and I think if that 104 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: had been in play here already, if those rules, and listen, 105 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: Dion Sanders and other players complained in the past that 106 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: was too easy to get into the Hall of Fame, 107 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: and that was the reason why they overcorrected. Now they 108 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: got to over correct going back the other way because 109 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: the backlog is such where guys like even Tom Coughlin 110 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: and other coaches now have to probably wait another year 111 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: because Belichick will go in next year. That backlog is 112 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: getting dangerous and it needs to be corrected. 113 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: Okay, Eli Manning's second year didn't get in. I would 114 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: put him in probably second ballot. I wouldn't put him 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: first ballot. I don't think you could tell the story 116 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: of the league without Eli Manning. In fact, you can't. 117 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: I do think it's not that he won two Super Bowls. 118 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: I think it's so significant that he beat Belichick the 119 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: best coach, Brady the best player. And there's an argument 120 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: outside of the Bradshaw Lynn Swan catch, he had the 121 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: two most memorable catches in Super Bowl history. I wouldn't 122 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: put him in first ballot because he was kind of 123 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: a middling regular season quarterback. I would have put him 124 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: in on this ballot. Am I reaching there? 125 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 4: No? 126 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: I think that's right. I'm not sure he's a first 127 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: ballot guy either. And he was a five hundred quarterback 128 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 3: in the regular season. He only won postseason games in 129 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: the two years he won Super Bowls. But those performances, 130 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: those throws down the stretch to beat the greatest coach 131 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: quarterback partnership in the history of the league. Playing in 132 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: New York with that last name following his brother. I 133 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: do think those are tiebreakers that go in his favor. 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: And yeah, is he a first ballot guy? Probably not, 135 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: but I would have put him in. 136 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 4: This year, and I think he will. I think he 137 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 4: will eventually get in. 138 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 3: But again, that backlog with modern era players, it's going 139 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: to get dicey, and the Hall of Fame needs to 140 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: ease the voting standards, the floor of the induction standards 141 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: have to be changed and to allow some of these 142 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: worthy players to get in. 143 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so you wrote another book. I read Out of 144 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: the Darkness, The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers, fantastic reed. So 145 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: and I want to you you can take your time 146 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: obviously on this is that I said. I could see 147 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Aaron saying, let's just make it work. 148 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: Let's sow this wound up, Let's just do it. I 149 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: can also see the Steelers saying, we drafted Will Howard. 150 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: It's a great draft next year for quarterbacks. Aaron, we 151 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: want to see if Will come play. We got to 152 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: figure this out. We're going to give him seventeen start. 153 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: We don't want him sitting it behind you. Either way, 154 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: I'd be comfortable with Aaron has said publicly, Mike and 155 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: I are good. Mike has said it publicly. You know 156 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: as well as anybody. What people say, you know, in 157 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: front of the camera is not what they're saying behind it. 158 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: Do you think McCarthy and Aaron could work for at 159 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: least one year in Pittsburgh together. 160 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 4: I do. 161 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: I do, and I did speak with both Aaron and 162 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: McCarthy for my book. I did ask them that question, 163 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: and their relationship is better now than it ever was 164 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: when they were together in Green Bay, and Rogers said 165 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: to me, listen, we did butt heads from time to time, 166 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: even though I think it was more often than that, 167 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day. 168 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: We lit it up for a lot of years. 169 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: And what people forget is Mike McCarthy chains Aaron Rodgers' 170 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 3: entire style of play. 171 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 4: When he got him out of cal he was very robotic, 172 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 4: he had the ball back. 173 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: At his ear haul, and McCarthy loosened him up and 174 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 3: made him a more athletic player and really helped develop 175 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: him into an all time great and never gets any 176 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 3: credit for that. So listen, McCarthy's on record saying you 177 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: want them. 178 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 4: Most of the Steelers' players want him back. 179 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: If not all of them, and so I think that 180 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: Rogers will play. 181 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 4: One more year because it is McCarthy. 182 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: He might be the only coach that he would have 183 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 3: stayed in Pittsburgh to play for. 184 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 4: So what is the ceiling for this partnership. 185 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: Probably eleven and six at best winning a playoff game. 186 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: So if you're a Steelers fan, you're saying, what, we 187 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: can't win the super Bowl with this partnership, but we 188 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: can have a productive season. I will say, if they're 189 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: three and six, I think there needs to be a 190 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: discussion about maybe even in advance though you don't want 191 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: to deal in negative hypotheticals. 192 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 4: But then Will Howard has to be in play. If 193 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: the season is. 194 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 3: Getting away from McCarthy and Rodgers, then I think they 195 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: have to turn to the young quarterback. 196 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: You know, yesterday a lot of fans listen, people don't 197 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: trust the media. They don't like us. They trust you, 198 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: but they don't like not being They don't like me either. 199 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: So I said this yesterday. I said, the only baseball 200 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: player to ever get in I believe with one hundred 201 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: percent of the votes is Mariano Rivera. He's not doing 202 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: it on innings pitched. He's doing it on excellence and 203 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: he was maybe the most humble, graceful, gracious athlete. You know, 204 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: he's in that Cofax where you can't find a bad 205 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: word about him, and I mean, Hank, Aaron, Ken, Griffy, 206 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just all these great players. You're like, 207 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: they can get one hundred percent of the vote. And 208 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: so my take is Mariano was such a pleasure to 209 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: deal with that it did matter to the voters is 210 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: that they liked him and people and people yesterday said, well, 211 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: you guys didn't like Belichick. And my take is, listen, 212 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: it's not that Bill didn't ignore the media. He was obnoxious. Again, 213 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: it shouldn't count, but I think Bill needed a tad 214 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: bit of awareness for the for the last fifteen years 215 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: in New England, knowing those are the guys voting for you. 216 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: What do you make of the assertion that people just 217 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: had it out for Bill because he wasn't He wasn't 218 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: you know? 219 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: He was? 220 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: He was overly harsh, blunt and dismissive of the media. 221 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 3: Way Colin, did you know that eleven voters did not 222 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: vote for Babe Ruth on the first ballot? 223 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:06,479 Speaker 1: I met yesterday. 224 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 4: I read that. So you can't please everybody. 225 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: I guess I would say that had nothing to do 226 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: with it with Belichick. 227 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: I talked to a. 228 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 3: Number of voters and just my own experience with the guy, 229 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 3: and I understand he was difficult to deal with at 230 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: times from a media perspective, but I really do not 231 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 3: believe that was it. It was part of it was Hey, 232 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 3: some people wanted to punish him for one year because 233 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 3: of Spygate and maybe a little bit of the Flaygate. 234 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 3: I think voting, a lot of people wanted to vote 235 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: for the senior players instead of the coach and the contributor, 236 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: and other people assume Belichick was getting in, Well, he 237 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 3: doesn't need my vote, so I'm going to reserve my 238 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: votes for other candidates. 239 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 4: There was a lot of that. 240 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: I think Spygate probably cost them three or four votes 241 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 3: out of the eleven or twelve, but that cost them induction. 242 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 4: And that's where we go back to whether. 243 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,479 Speaker 3: Or not you believe a one year penalty was warranted, 244 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 3: and in my opinion, it wasn't, simply because the winning 245 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: was so staggering that it just knocked spygate out of 246 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: the park. 247 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: Well, one final question, Ian O'Connor at the athletic for 248 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: our radio audience. It has been suggested, and you would 249 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: know this, that Robert Kraft didn't want to go in 250 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: the same year as Belichick. He didn't want to be 251 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: and they don't see eye to eye. There was a 252 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: documentary done that did feel like Belichick. It felt like 253 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: Kraft wanted to lean in a little bit on Belichick. 254 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: I think that's reasonable. What about that assertion. I don't 255 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: think it's a conspiracy theory. I don't think it rises 256 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: to that. I think it's a reasonable discussion that Craft 257 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: squeeze some people. 258 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's possible. 259 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: I do know that Belichick would walk by Craft in 260 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 3: the hallway sometimes and not even say hi to them. 261 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 4: And at the end of the. 262 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 3: Day, Kraft deserves a lot of credit for keeping that 263 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: group together for Brady and Belichick. Obviously, at odds of 264 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: times it was really more like Brady and Craft versus 265 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: Ellichick than anything else. But they made it work over time. 266 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 3: They deserve a lot of credit for that. I think 267 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 3: it's possible Craft might have whispered to a couple of voters, 268 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: and I do think that he would love to get 269 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame ahead of Bill Belichick. 270 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 4: He's been waiting long enough. 271 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 3: By the way, Craft has gone to eleven Super Bowls 272 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: since Terry Jones has appeared in one, and Jones is 273 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame and Craft isn't. So maybe 274 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: that gets rectified now we'll see, But yeah, he would 275 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: love to get in ahead of Bill without question. 276 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 5: Ian. 277 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: It's great to see you. Good luck to you and 278 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: the fam, and I love your work at the Athletic 279 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: Congrats on all your success. 280 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 4: You're the best column Thanks all. 281 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: Right, very comprehensive. If there's ever a big story, that's 282 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: the one of the two or three people I go to. 283 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: Ian O'Connor. 284 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 285 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern non a em Pacific on Fox Sports 286 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 287 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 6: Hey, it's Ben, host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallard. 288 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 6: Would mean a lot to have you joined us on 289 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 6: our weekly auditory journey dressed. 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There was that documentary? 301 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Was that done by? Who did that documentary? It did 302 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: Apple do that? All right? It wasn't Gotham Chopra, it 303 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: was it was Apple. Okay, it was Apple, all right, 304 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: because there was that documentary done, and I know a 305 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: lot of Patriot fans thought it was very heavy handed. 306 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: They thought it was very much beating up on Bill 307 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: and I watched it and I thought it did favor Craft. 308 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I took it to that level. It listen, 309 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: when you're difficult, you know, I've used the argument of 310 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: Bobby Knight. When you're just difficult and and and and 311 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: rough and kurt and dismissive, Uh, you're gonna wear some 312 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: people out. I mean, it's it's that's just life. That's 313 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: the way it is. It was it was Apple. Let's 314 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: see oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah, produced by Brian Grazer. Okay, 315 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: thanks guys, and Ron Howard. Okay, there it was there. 316 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: So there's so many documentaries out there on dynasties. I 317 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: lose count, but yeah, people felt that it was a 318 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: little heavy handed. Robert Kraft had his way in the documentary. 319 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: It did feel like it was. It was definitely pro 320 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:47,479 Speaker 1: Robert Kraft. Who I mean, eleven Super Bowls, four franchises, 321 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: I've never been to one. J Mack with a. 322 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 4: News No, no. 323 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: This is the herdline news. 324 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 7: Imagine that a billionaire having his thumb on the scale. 325 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 7: I mean, who could have seen that come? 326 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: I mean, geez. 327 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 7: Anyway, so let's go to the Patriots and Mike Rabel. 328 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 7: They are in the Super Bowl. Very exciting times for Vrabel, who, 329 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 7: by the way, played for Bill Belichick for eight seasons 330 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 7: in New England. So during media availability, Rabel was asked 331 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 7: about his former coach not getting in. 332 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame. 333 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 7: So Rabel actually said, I'm sure Bill will get in. 334 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 7: That's something well out of my control. Bottom line is, 335 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 7: I'm sure that Bill will get into Canton. 336 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: Now here's what justus at Colin. 337 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 7: I don't think this story is gonna die down here 338 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 7: in the next six days five days, So we're gonna 339 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 7: be then going into Super Bowl week, and the Patriots 340 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 7: are going to be getting grilled, specifically Vrabel. 341 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: About belichick craft hall of fame. I just wonder if 342 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: this becomes something of a distraction. Hey, Rabel, so about spygate. 343 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 7: Oh, he'll shut it down. At me fifteen twenty years ago, 344 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 7: he'll shut it down. But you the media is gonna stop. 345 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 7: This is why you know how the media works. Calling 346 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 7: they go for what clicks. He's clicking about Milton Williams. 347 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 7: As good of a story as that is, they're clicking 348 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 7: on Rabel said about spygate and cheating and Belichick and 349 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 7: hall of Fame. So you could tell that's where the 350 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 7: story's gonna head next week. 351 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: I don't think this is going away. I think Vrabel 352 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: would uh just shut that down in I mean, like 353 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm in the media. I think, in my opinion, that 354 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: would be unfair. I think is a media member if 355 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: I went to that media day, that's an unfair position 356 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: to take. I'm going to go ask new Patriot coach 357 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel about Bill Belichick's Hall of Fame. I think 358 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: that's an unfair question. I don't think all questions are equal. 359 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: That that's we're talking about the Super Bowl Meil, Why 360 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: would I hit the Patriots? 361 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 7: And Rabel played for Belichick for eight seasons. 362 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: Rabel doesn't vote on the Hall of Fame. He's not 363 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: part of it. He was part of the team that 364 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: was in broiledon Spike and by the way, they were 365 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: fined and they lost draft picks. There's a resolution to it, 366 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: and now it's come back up because of Hall of Eight. Yeah, 367 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: this week it did. And you think that's unfair. Now, 368 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you I have asked hard questions before 369 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: I will again. I don't think that's fair. That doesn't 370 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: that feels like media trying to be the story I'm 371 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: gonna ask Rabel about about about spygate. That's not We're 372 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: in a super Bowl week. 373 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 7: They ask them today, but definitely gonna ask them next week. 374 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: It's not super Bowl week. Ask it. Super Bowl week 375 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: is like it's to me, it's just a different week. 376 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: That's not to say it has to be all celebratory, 377 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: but it's like game the World Series is really a 378 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: celebration of the greatness of baseball. That that I mean, 379 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: I could ask questions all throughout the season. Once you 380 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: get to a World Series. If there's not an impending 381 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: decision made that's controversial. I'm not gonna drudge stuff up. 382 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: That's my take on being a media member. There's a 383 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: time and a place to ask on comfortable questions. And 384 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: I don't think that the media scrum. Hey what do 385 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: you make You were on those teams? 386 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: Did you know it? 387 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 7: What? 388 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't think it. I mean, I'm sure every journalist 389 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: in America is listening and thinks I'm off my rocker. 390 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 7: So I do think they think that because I'm sitting 391 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 7: here like, wow, that's quite a take. So you know, 392 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 7: we got a show here, You've had this show for 393 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 7: a long time. 394 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 4: I joined. 395 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: We don't need to worry about clicks and all that stuff. 396 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: We're thriving. 397 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 7: There's a lot of other people out there in the 398 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 7: media who are looking to go viral. You know that 399 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 7: they need the headlines, they need the clicks. They've got 400 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 7: to push the on for. 401 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: My that's fine. I mean, I again, and lawyers need 402 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: put billboards up to get clients, you know, I mean, 403 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: like it is what it is. I'm not blaming other 404 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: media people. I'm just saying I would be uncomfortable going 405 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: up and asking about Spygate, which there was resolution suspension 406 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: draft picks. That's not Brabel's team. Brabel's a player. 407 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 7: Well, technically, Belichick was not suspended, which gives people which 408 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 7: really are. 409 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: He was fine, He was fine, and they lost Dr 410 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: Chowospy Gates. He lost a first round pick and I 411 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: think a third. 412 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: Right. 413 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 7: That's fun, wonderful, talk about it next week here on 414 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 7: the show. Let's go to the Atlanta Falcons. You have 415 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 7: stolen the Titans as achieve of destiny, so I guess 416 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 7: I got to settle for the Falcons and Stefanski, how 417 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 7: about this? Colin the media in Atlanta asked him, Hey, 418 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 7: what's up with the quarterback? You're gonna go with Peedix? 419 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 7: Is it gonna be cousins? Here we go, Stefanski on 420 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 7: the mic, We. 421 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 8: Have to hire a general manager first before I can 422 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 8: give you a great answer there. Once we do that, 423 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 8: i'll sit with the general manager, sit with Matt Ryan. 424 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 8: We'll put our heads together on all roster decisions. Obviously, 425 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 8: Michael's a young player that I think very highly of. 426 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 8: He is rehabbing off of his injury. He's doing great. 427 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 8: He's doing everything that he's supposed to be doing. And 428 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 8: then Kirk, obviously a relationship there he's telling you that 429 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 8: I think very highly of on and off the field, 430 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 8: But all those. 431 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 4: Type of decisions will come. We have a general manager. 432 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think again, that's a that's a reasonable question. 433 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: You're the new coach. They're asking you about your quarterback situation. 434 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 1: That is a question I would have no problem asking, 435 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: even though I know his answer is going to be 436 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: exactly what he said. That's a fair question to ask. 437 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: It's his team, it's timely, it's in the moment, it's 438 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: about personnel. He will coach. That's a fair question. 439 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 7: So interestingly, I totally forgot they hadn't even hired a GM. Collin, 440 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 7: you know that's not usually the past. Do you hire 441 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 7: the GM, who then hires the coach? Yeah, you go 442 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 7: coach before GM. And is the GM a figurehead? Maybe 443 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 7: that's why they're struggling to fill the role. Everybody knows sank. 444 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: He had the power and Matt Ryan is now a 445 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: power player. Well, I also think Stefanski was a in 446 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: this instance. I defend Atlanta because Stefanski was an excellent candidate. 447 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: And if you sit around and you know, you screw 448 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: around all of a sudden, Stefanski's in Tennessee and you're 449 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: getting the seventh best candidate. So I think when it 450 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: comes to the top two candidates, I got to get 451 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: that guy in house. By the way, most head coaches 452 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: don't want I mean Belichick, did, Pete Carroll at the end, 453 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,119 Speaker 1: did they wanted to have some say in personnel. I 454 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: think Sean Payton does. There's a lot of these. Coach 455 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: Andy Reid doesn't want any Andy Reid's like you draft. 456 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: Not every coach wants their imprem I mean a coach 457 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: and a GM generally. I mean they're like they're like friends. 458 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: They get along their allies, they travel together, they talk together, 459 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: they lunch together. You're basically hey, I mean, Kevin Stefanski's 460 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: gonna tell them, listen, we got three needs on this team. 461 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: This is what I see. Offensively, we need a right guard, 462 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: we need a defensive end. They usually agree. Very rarely 463 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: do you get butting heads. Your problem is when the 464 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: owner wants say in personnel. That can be your problem. 465 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: That's terrible. 466 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 7: But if you know, if you don't have a coach 467 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 7: at GM on the same page, you get the Buffalo 468 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 7: disaster that unraveled this season with McDermott ticket put shots 469 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 7: at the roster and then being cozying up to the 470 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 7: owner and getting them fired. 471 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: Well, don't you say that in Miami. I don't think 472 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: McDermott took pot shots. No, No, he did. The Athletic 473 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 1: wrote about it. He told it he didn't take a 474 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: pot shot. He sat down in a room and said, 475 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if we have the personnel to win 476 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. That's not a pot shot. That's a 477 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: disclosure in an opinion. He didn't go a pot SHOT's 478 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: going on the local afternoon radio show and saying we 479 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: got bums all over the defense. But Dermot's like, hey, guys, 480 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: in that for the record, that was a private conversation 481 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: that leaked. I'm I'm angrier at the leak than I 482 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: am McDermott sitting down like a like a like a'm 483 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: alpha and going guys, Terry, you know, I don't have 484 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: a problem with you discussing with your bosses. If I 485 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: went to a boss and said I want a private conversation, 486 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: if it ended up in the Athletic or the La 487 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: Times the next day, I'm mad at my boss. You 488 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: shouldn't be mad at me for having a grown up 489 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: conversation that the blame game is always fun. 490 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 7: Let's go to the final story, and that is Joe Brady, 491 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 7: the new Buffalo Bill's head coach. He got really emotional 492 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 7: talking about his players. Colin, I don't know what it 493 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 7: is when coaches crying, but here's another one. 494 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 5: Lastly, our players, my guys. 495 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 4: I'm I'm so appreciative so you guys being here today. 496 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 5: Thank you for allowing me to be myself, playing for 497 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 5: me and being you with us. I maybe calling plays still, 498 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 5: but I'm no longer the offensive court Intermax. 499 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean, will you want me to root against that guy? 500 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 7: I mean, come on soft, come on, cry at the 501 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 7: birth of your kid. 502 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: Maybe when you're getting married. 503 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean something exciting, something exactly. Parents are at the 504 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: press conference. 505 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 7: Here. 506 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: He's a little different. He's coming home. Joe Brady's thirty 507 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: six years old. 508 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 7: Did you cry in your thirties at all, outside of 509 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 7: like a death or a birth, come on, cry twenty 510 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 7: five times a year. I've never seen you cry, and 511 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 7: we've become friendly over the years. 512 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, if the pasta comes in cold, 513 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: I'll cry at a restaurant. Jmack with the news. 514 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 515 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: heard line news. 516 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: You know, Jmack. They're called emotions. You know, you may 517 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: want to share them occasionally. It's okay if you know 518 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: it's a I mean, listen, I'm not going to cry 519 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: over again. He's a parking ticket. 520 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 7: But he said, my guys, thanks for showing up, and 521 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 7: he got shooting. 522 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: He loves his players. These coaches were spending your whole 523 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: You literally spend seventeen hours a day at the facility. 524 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: These players are getting beat up and injured for you. 525 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I think being a co you hear Harbaugh 526 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: talking about how he loves the players. I think these coaches. 527 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: I think the bond between I don't know about the 528 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: NBA and baseball, the bond between football coaches and football 529 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: players for a lot of these guys, is I mean 530 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 1: when you you hear I was reading the story the 531 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: other day about Mike Tomlin and about how many players 532 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: were like, like, Mike changed my life. I mean, remember 533 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: we had it was that Emmanuel Sanders came on our 534 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: show and Emmanuel's like he sat me down like man 535 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: the man and said, here's what you do with the money, 536 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: and here's what you don't do. And it's like Mike 537 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: Tomlin changed people's lives. 538 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin, Come on, man, this is Joe Brady. 539 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: Maybe he's gonna have that kind of relationship with his players. 540 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 7: No way, I'm now give you two job, buy you 541 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 7: two Jet skis. If he becomes a Mike Tomlin, it's 542 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 7: like coach. 543 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 1: Come on, Mike Tomlin. It's a the top rung of 544 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: top five percent of coaches. 545 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 7: Of all admitute, we're gonna go to commercial break and. 546 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: You're gonna laugh about Joe Brady. I'm very emotional right now. 547 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 1: I don't know if I can get through the segment. 548 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: It's The Herd. 549 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: He sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 550 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: and noon Easter, not a Empacific. 551 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: Super Bowl week We'll have Fred Warner, Aiden Hutchison of 552 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: the Lions, Christian McCaffrey, my buddy, Max Crosby, boy losing 553 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: Fred Warner for the Niners, probably the best linebacker in 554 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: football right now. Tough for San Francisco. You O'Connor, of 555 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: the athletic great columnists, sports columnists for decades in this country. 556 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: He didn't think despite Spygate, he did not believe that 557 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: Spygate or Spygate two should have kept Belichick out of 558 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. 559 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: Spy gates should have been brought up in the discussion 560 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 3: with the. 561 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 4: Voting committee, without question. 562 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 3: But I think it's a five minute discussion because if 563 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 3: you just go forward from two thousand and seven when 564 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 3: he was caught early in week one, so he goes 565 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 3: eighteen and zero, maybe the best team in the history 566 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 3: of sports not to win a championship, and then does 567 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 3: what he does in big games going forward, He's a slam. 568 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 4: Dunk Hall of Famer. Even if you hand back the 569 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 4: first three trophies. 570 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: It's certainly worth pause and discussion. That's a good argument. 571 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: I would mentioned there was also Spygate two, so it 572 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: didn't stick. There were seven years, three letters stop doing it, 573 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: he didn't, and then there was a Spygate two. So 574 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: Ian also talked about many assumed that Robert Kraft doesn't 575 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: want to go into the Hall of Fame at the 576 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: same time as Bill. He didn't like the way he 577 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: was treated by Bill dismissive and he owned the Patriots 578 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: made Bill the richest coach in the NFL. And I 579 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: asked Ian about Craft's influence of maybe pinching a few 580 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: people putting a thumb on a few of the voters 581 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: or having influence in Bill Belichick getting snubbed in his 582 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: first year of eligibility. 583 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 4: It was really more like Brady and Craft versus Belichick. 584 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: Than anything else. But they made it work over time. 585 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: They deserve a lot of credit for that. I think 586 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: it's possible Craft might have whispered to a couple of voters. 587 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: And I do think that he would love to get 588 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame ahead of Bill Belichick. 589 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 4: He's been waiting long enough. 590 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: By the way, Kraft has gone to eleven Super Bowls 591 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 3: since Jerry Jones has appeared in one, and Jones is 592 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 3: in the Hall of Fame and Craft isn't. 593 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: So maybe that gets rectified now. We'll see. But yeah, 594 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 4: he would love to get in ahead of Bill without question. 595 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: Listen all Hall of Fames, all of them. I mean. 596 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: Somebody wrote a column yesterday from the Kansas City Star 597 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: and said, listen, I voted for Kenny Anderson over Bill Belichick. 598 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: I watched Kenny Anderson. I watch I remember, I know 599 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: exactly what Kenny Anderson looked like. Number fourteen Bengals quarterback 600 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: did a good job, good quarterback, very accurate. You shouldn't 601 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: vote Kenny Anderson at any point over Belichick if you're 602 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: given a choice. That's my opinion. And Kenny Anderson is 603 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: certainly worthy of consideration, so is else Greenwood, Roger Craig. 604 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: But you know, all hall of Fames, it doesn't matter 605 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: if it's the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame or 606 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: the Radio Hall of Fame, or the baseball or the 607 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: football Hall of Fame. They get political it is. It's 608 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: inexact its opinion, you know. So like yesterday, I wasn't shocked, 609 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't outraged. This is not a Pete Rose situation. 610 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: He will get in. He'll probably get in next year. 611 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: Eli Manning is probably not a first ballot guy. If 612 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna put you know, if you're gonna put the 613 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: All Time Great, it's like a Peyton. Manning will be 614 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: a first ballot guy. Then Eli's got to be a 615 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: second ballot guy. It's not just about Super Bowls, and 616 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: they were iconic for him, but he was a pretty 617 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: average regular season guy. But I think I'm not real 618 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: precious about any of this stuff about the media, about 619 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: Hall of Fames, about sports. You know, there's all sorts 620 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: of stuff you know, there's a few sports like golf. 621 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: You know, don't kick a golf ball, don't screw the rules. 622 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: Everybody's everybody. I mean, don't go Houston Astros. But you know, 623 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: people been stealing signals forever in the NFL and baseball, 624 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: and I think sometimes, you know, I didn't want to yesterday, 625 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: get too precious. But I'm also not going to beat 626 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: up on guys because I don't believe that, well, media 627 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: shouldn't vote on anything. Well, I mean, nobody holds grudges 628 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: like ex players and coaches. I mean, people say Bill 629 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: Pollion's holding a grudge. We know Belichick's still holding a 630 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: grudge on Robert Kraft. So everybody that votes on this 631 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: stuff could be a sports writer, Well you didn't play 632 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: the game. Well, hell, half the time you'll ask these 633 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: players about overtime rules and they don't even understand that. 634 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: And they do play the game. So I like people 635 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: that vote to be dispassionate, informed, but dispassionate. So I 636 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 1: don't have a problem with some media voting on it. 637 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: I don't believe in all everything or nothing. It's I 638 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: think we can have a couple of sports writers, a 639 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: couple broadcasters. I mean, I think Vin Scully had the 640 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: right to vote in the Hall of Fame if you 641 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: had a vote. He knows the sport. It doesn't matter 642 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: they didn't play. I mean, because a lot of guys 643 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: who are players don't pay attention to anybody else but 644 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: their team are themselves. They don't really have a broad 645 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: holistic view of a sport. I mean, they just don't. 646 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: They I'm a shortstop for the Orioles. That's what I do. 647 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: You know, I don't care about the sport. I don't 648 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: want your opinion on a Dodger second basement. I mean, yeah, 649 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: a lot of I remember, you know, like football coaches 650 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: when they used to vote on the AP Top twenty 651 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: and Steve Spurrier I think once talked about this. He's like, 652 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: I don't watch any of the games. I handed to 653 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: my sports information director. So there's your coach voting. How 654 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: in the world is Kirby smart when he's coaching the 655 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: Bulldogs at a three o'clock start watching the early in 656 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: the late game, he's not. He handed to his sports 657 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: information You know who is watching? Media guys? Yeah, right, 658 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: So the idea that media people are all evil, I 659 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: mean Ian O'Connor is about as informed as anybody when 660 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: it got He's got a baseball Hall of Fame vote, 661 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: and I was always like, let the cheaters in it baseball, 662 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: because you didn't know who was cheating. You know, you 663 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: could make the same argument for football. Jim Harball got 664 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: a fourteen year band in college football. I think that's 665 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: over the top. Colin, let me ask you something real 666 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: quick about this Casey Star column. 667 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 7: Right. 668 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: I read that thing too, and. 669 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 7: He basically said, I'm voting these guys in because they 670 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 7: waited a long time, and they're old and they deserve 671 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 7: to be in. Belichick will eventually get in. That was 672 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 7: the gist of it, Colin. Isn't that like the dumbest 673 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 7: logic you've ever heard? I just remove the emotion. Who 674 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 7: deserves to be in the Hall of Fame? Ken Anderson, 675 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 7: Roger Craig or Bill Belichick? 676 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? 677 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: Belichick, I said, no, brainer, just vote be smart. Why 678 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: do these guys plust themselves in their You're blaming all 679 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: these old guys, You're blaming the writer I would blame. 680 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: First of all, there's not enough football Hall of Fame voters. 681 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: There's like fifty fifty history fifty voters. That's it. You 682 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: should have one hundred and fifty and you should rotate 683 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: some You should have like you can vote for eight 684 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: years then bring in some new people. That's not bad. 685 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean you want your coach to be current, your 686 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: court of back to be current. I want my voters 687 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: to be current. So I you know the methodology is 688 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: where you can only vote on three of five. We 689 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: five of five. H