1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: In high school, Walton and I would often park up 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: on a hill overlooking the Atlanta Airport to watch the 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: planes take off. We would lay on the hood of 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: his cutlass and dream about getting on one of those 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: planes for some kind of wild adventure. We would also 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: play a game that we often played as children with 7 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: my family, guessing the destinations of the planes and where 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: the travelers were going and what they were gonna do 9 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: when they got there. Toward the end of one of 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: these dates, Walton I would tell each other one dream 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: destination we had and some adventure we wanted to take 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: later in life. Every now and then we would also 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: just fantasize about taking off to some far away place 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: and starting over a place where nobody knew us. We 15 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: could become somebody new, better, or just different. Forty two 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: years later, we still sometimes talk about getting a remote 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: cabin in the middle of nowhere next to a river, 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: or jumping on a boat and just taking off to 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: some unknown land. I jokingly tell my own children Jesus 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: was not the Messiah in his own hometown. Sometimes to 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: truly be who you're meant to be, you gotta get gone, 22 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: you gotta start over where nobody knows you. There's something 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 1: comforting in that. There's something great about getting lost no map, 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: no plan, no base. Sometimes for people, it's not a dream, 25 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: it's a necessity. Starting over was the necessary path for 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: Alice and Foy. She didn't just crave a new town 27 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: and new friends and a new job. She needed it 28 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: to give her marriage a fighting chance. She and her 29 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: husband decided on Wilmington, North Carolina, the small beach town 30 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: that offered Allison what she wanted tourists in the summer. 31 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: But that small town, full of creative fun and welcoming locals, 32 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: Alison never got the chance to fully start over. She 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: was on her way. She had new friends, she had 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: a new place to live, she had a new job. 35 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: But she went missing after having drinks with friends at 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: a local bar to celebrate that new job. Two years later, 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: Allison's remains were found in a ravine in the woods 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: behind a Mexican restaurant off Carolina Beach Road. Shockingly, there 39 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: was a second set of remains just feet from Allison. 40 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: Alison Foy thirty four and Angela Noble roth and forty 41 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: two disappeared a year apart. Allison in two thousand x 42 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: and Angela in two thousand seven, and both remains were 43 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: found April of two thousand eight. Allison was last seen 44 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: at Junction Pub on July two thousand and six, and 45 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: Angela is last seen June tenth, two thousand seven, at 46 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: her own birthday party. Allison's sister, Lisa Valentino, went to 47 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: Wilmington immediately after hearing that her sister was missing. Once 48 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: in Wilmington's Lisa made and put up missing persons posters, 49 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: She hired a private investigator, and she got connected with 50 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: the nonprofit the Q Center for Missing Persons. Lisa, thank 51 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: you so much for being here and welcome to his 52 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: own seven. Thank you and thank you for having me here. Well, 53 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: I got a brag on you a little bit before 54 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: we get started. Lisa is a warrior, y'all. She is 55 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: all about the business. She is all about taking care 56 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: of what needs to be taken care of. On her 57 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: sister's case. You can give her information, she will take 58 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: it and she will move immediately toward finding some type 59 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: of solution, some type of evidence, some type of witness, 60 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: some type of help. She is just extraordinary in that way. 61 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: So she doesn't sit back a lot and take praise 62 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: or compliments, but I just want to tell her publicly 63 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: what I have told her privately. I admire the love 64 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: that you have for your sister, that bond that is 65 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: so evident, but also just your voice. I mean, honey, 66 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: you've been your own detective, and I just appreciate what 67 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: you've done for Alice. Well, I appreciate all of those 68 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: kind words, and what else, what else could I do? 69 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it is my sister, She's family, 70 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: and you know she deserved, she deserved about her. Tell 71 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: us about Allison, y'all growing up your family. Yeah, so 72 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: we grew up in Syosset, Long Island, which is in 73 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: New York. Allison was the youngest of four. There were 74 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: six years between myself and my sister Alison, and she 75 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: was just a spitfire. I mean from the time she 76 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: was a little. As she grew up, she enjoyed dancing. 77 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: My father owned a dance studio, music and dance studio, 78 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: and Allison participated in that. She was a student teacher, 79 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: she became regular teacher, and she loved dance. She also, 80 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: as she got older, coach gymnastics, which her her oldest daughter, Courtney, 81 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: today owns a gym that kind of seeped into her 82 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: blood and bones. But she was Alison was a kind 83 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: of person, even from when she was little. She was 84 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: just very authentic and real. And a comment that I've 85 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: always gotten about her is that even if you met 86 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: her for the first time, it seemed as if you 87 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: had known her for a long time, and she was 88 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: just full of life, loved life. Her kids were everything 89 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: to her, and I think she just wanted what we 90 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: all want right to to live a joy filled, happy life, 91 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: and she was trying her best to do that. But 92 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: our childhood was typical, I think. I mean, of course, 93 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: there were some hard times. My parents got divorced, we 94 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: moved around a few times, but other other than that, 95 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: I think we we lived a pretty good, pretty good life. 96 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: And then you got a call from your dad. Yes, 97 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: So interestingly enough, prior to that phone call, Allison had 98 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: come to visit me at my home in New Jersey 99 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 1: with her youngest daughter, Jordan's, and we had talked for 100 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: the week that she was there about how she was 101 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: trying to make changes in her life and things that 102 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: she needed to do. And so as I sent her off, 103 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: you know, I told her that I loved her and 104 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: that it was positive that she was going to be 105 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: able to make those changes. And then the last time 106 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: I spoke to her was on my daughter's birthday and 107 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: my family and I were getting to go getting ready 108 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: to go away, and so we left for New Hampshire 109 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: for ten days, and on my ride home from New Hampshire, 110 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: my father called me and he said to me, I 111 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: got a message on my voicemail that your sister Alison 112 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: is missing. I mean, first of all, I think for 113 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: anybody listening to you right this minute, the fact that 114 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: your dad got a voicemail, it's terrible, It's terrible. I mean, 115 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: how do you leave that message on someone's answering machine. 116 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, and I don't know 117 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: listening to it what you would possibly need to process 118 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: what you were hearing correct. And I think one of 119 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: the reasons, as I look back now sixteen years later 120 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: and knowing what I know about this case, is that 121 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: I don't think they took it seriously. I think Wilmington 122 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: p D. At the time, I thought that this was 123 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: kind of her m O and that she was going 124 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: to turn up and that she just decided she needed 125 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: a break from life. But immediately for me. The first 126 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: thing that came to my mind was, oh, my gosh, 127 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: she's no longer alive. And um, that being said, you knew, 128 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: you knew she wouldn't leave those babies. That is correct. 129 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: I knew if my sister was going anywhere two things 130 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: would have happened. A. She would have called either myself 131 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: or my father and said I'm going away, here's where 132 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to be and be. She would have never 133 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: left her children, never ever, ever, she would have taken 134 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: them with her. And I think for law enforcement, especially 135 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: younger male officers, there needs to be some understanding that 136 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: I've got to listen to the people closest to this victim. 137 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: For the scenario. In your mind, you think, well, the 138 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: husband didn't report her missing, so she probably just went 139 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: off because they had a fight. But you're inferring something 140 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: where somebody's telling you factually she would not leave her children, right, 141 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: And I think that is a lesson well learned. And 142 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: I hope law enforcements, as you say, is listening if 143 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: they aren't changing the mind. You have to listen to 144 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: the family. You have to listen to those who know 145 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: them best, and that's where you should start. Absolutely, so 146 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: you get to Wilmington's. Had you ever been there before? 147 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: I had been there to visit my sister a year 148 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: previously with my two children. However, my my father and 149 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: my brother John and my sister Michelle had not, and 150 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: all of us went down there together. We literally got 151 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: the phone call. We were all the way together. We 152 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: dropped off our children, who were all young at the 153 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: time with my brothers why, and we flew into Wilmington's 154 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: the very next day. And we're there for ten days. 155 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: And in that ten days, you hired a private investigator 156 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: and you got hooked up with the queue center. Tell 157 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: us about everything you all were doing in those ten days. Okay, 158 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: So when we first flew into Wilmington's, law enforcements met 159 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: us at the airport. They brought us back to the 160 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: police station and really they said, look, this is what 161 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: we think. And they interviewed us and spoke to us 162 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: about my sister, and then pretty much they said, all right, 163 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: here's some hotels you could stay out while you're here, 164 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe you want to go hang some flyers. 165 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: So we're like, all right, So that's what we did. 166 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: We we stopped at the staples, we made up some 167 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: flyers with some pictures of my sister Allison, and we 168 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: hit the streets ourselves. We were in some of the 169 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: worst parts of Wilmington's late at night that we probably 170 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: never should have been in, but we didn't know better, okay, 171 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: And we're kind of on our own for the first 172 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: couple of days, and my father at the hotel one afternoon, 173 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: the young lady behind the desk said to him, Oh, 174 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: why are you guys here, And he said, well, my 175 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: daughter is missing and we're here, you know, trying to 176 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: locate her, trying to find out what happened. And with 177 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: that we went out again and we came back to 178 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: the hotel that night, and underneath our door was a 179 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: note from that young lady that said, I think this 180 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: woman can help you. Her name is Monica Cason, and 181 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: she runs the Queue Center for Missing Persons, which is 182 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: located here in Wilmington, North Carolina. So we took that 183 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: phone number. We called her. Within thirty minutes, she called 184 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: us back, and the next morning she was at our 185 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: hotel and we hit the streets running for the next 186 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: ten days with her, and she knew the lay of 187 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: the land, oh yes, and law enforcement had contacted her 188 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: but just because of my sister's younger daughter, Jordan's, and 189 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: they called her to say, you know, can you recommend 190 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: someone for this young girl her mom was missing, you know, 191 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: someone who might be able to help the family out. 192 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: And law enforcement never gave us her information. But you're correct, 193 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: she knew the lay of the land. She got us 194 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: better posters printed up. We were using a terrible picture 195 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: and in fact, law enforcement was using a terrible picture. Um. 196 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: And also she got us media. But we went downtown. 197 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: We we we walked the streets early in the morning, 198 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: late at night, spoke to people, handed out flyers, did interviews, 199 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: and and got her name out there in the press. 200 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: And it's pretty incredible to me when you say you 201 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: went to the seed your side that maybe you shouldn't 202 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: even have been in. But a lot of times those 203 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: are the folks that have got their ear to the ground. 204 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: They know information, they know the principal players of you know, 205 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: the usual suspects, so to speak. So to me, it 206 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: was kind of brilliant that y'all there. Yeah, that's that's correct. 207 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: And people didn't talk as much to us as they 208 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: did to Monica. When we got out there with her. 209 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: They all seemed to know who she was. They were 210 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: willing to speak to her and give up any information 211 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: that they had. So that was pretty much the first 212 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: ten days was was that. And then when when we 213 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: had to leave, Monica recommended a private investigator for us, because, 214 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, we weren't that confident in 215 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: what law enforcement was doing. So so that was a 216 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: blessing as well. But I want to say that we 217 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: were fortunate to have Monica with us because I think 218 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: many families, if if you're not involved with an organization 219 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 1: like this, we would have went back home and just 220 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: assumed kind of that law enforcement was was going to 221 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: do their job. And and what I learned and what 222 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: my family learned, was that, you know, someone had to 223 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: be the voice for Allison, and someone had to keep 224 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 1: on top of what was happening in her case, and 225 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: some one had to keep in contact with law enforcement 226 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: and be her her advocate. As much as Monica was 227 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: the advocate for Alison and my family, she taught me 228 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: what I had to do for my sister, and that's imperative. 229 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to keep that communication line open 230 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: between the family and law enforcement. And again, I think 231 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: you've done that brilliantly. Well, I thank you. It wasn't 232 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: easy in the beginning. And and you know, if you 233 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: look back over this story of my sister, we were 234 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: not very happy with law enforcement in the beginning for 235 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: multiple reasons. I will let's get to one of them. Okay, 236 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: let's get let's get to this one. And and nobody 237 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: is a Monday morning quarterback in here. This is factually 238 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: what occurred. So so time has gone by and then 239 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: y'all get some information that some remains have been found. 240 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: How does that come about? Actually believe that or not? 241 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: Before before I got the call from law enforcement officially, 242 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: I had gotten a call from Mark Benson, the private investigator, 243 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: and also for Monica herself that something was was going 244 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: down and to prepare myself that I would probably be 245 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: getting a phone call. Wow, I remember, like it was yesterday. 246 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: I was, it was a Sunday morning, I was at work, 247 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: and I just I got that phone call. So I 248 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: got a I got a call from law enforcement, the 249 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: detective on the case at the time, and he said 250 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: to me, you know, we've found some remains. He goes, 251 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, we're not we're not sure whose they are. 252 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: Their skeletal, he said, but I'm also going to be 253 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: sending you some photos of some of the things found 254 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: at the site where they were. So I said, okay, thanks, 255 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: like clothing, jewelry, that sort of thing. Correct, clothing and jewelry. Correct. 256 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: And when I received those photos, I recognized the jewelry 257 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: and immediately and I knew was my sister. You know, 258 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: It's funny. For two years I knew this was kind 259 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: of what the truth was, but always in the back 260 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: of your mind you have hope that maybe it's going 261 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: to be something else. But the minute I saw her reign, 262 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: I knew that it was Allison's and I knew that 263 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: it was my my sister, and it was a matter 264 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: then of waiting for DNA. Well, I think there's just 265 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: no way to say to you, how sorry I am 266 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: still here in this story. And I've heard it, you know, 267 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: probably five times over the years. But you know, again, 268 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: a photograph and then your worst nightmare is solidified, and 269 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: then you move home from there, and again, Lisa, with you, 270 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: that's what you did. You didn't just take this and say, well, 271 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: the worst thing has happened, and I'm just gonna go 272 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: back to New York. And that's it. I mean, you 273 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: went to work, literally, you went to work. I I did. 274 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 1: This was you know, this is sixteen years of my 275 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: of my life and my family's life. You know, at 276 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: the time my sister went missing, my son was six 277 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: and my daughter was four, and I made multiple trips 278 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: to Wilmington's that my husband was here taking care of 279 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: the kids so that I could do that. And and 280 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: I think to Charlotte, I I just want to say 281 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: one thing that I don't think people understand is that 282 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: when somebody goes missing, it doesn't just tear apart that 283 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: immediate family, but there are so many things that happened 284 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: in your extended family as well, So it's hard. There's 285 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: a ripple effect effect. You think, every one of her teachers, 286 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: every one of her childhood friends, the co workers. I 287 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: mean you're talking about hundreds of people. They're going to 288 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: be affected immediately with this news. Correct, So then law 289 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: enforcement hits you with another twiet there's another set of 290 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: remains from her, right, you want to know how that 291 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: actually happened about So all throughout this I would be 292 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: remiss if I didn't mention him either. My husband never 293 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: really wanted me to travel down there by myself to 294 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: Wilmington's and again I had young children at the time, 295 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: and so somebody needed to be here for them. So 296 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: a friend of mine from high school and middle school, 297 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: actually one of my best friends, who also was very 298 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: good friends with Alison often, took that trip with me, 299 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: Peter Roach. He had said to me, after my sister's 300 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: remains were found, and that September the DNA came back 301 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: that it was indeed her. He said to me, you 302 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: don't want those shipped back. He said, you and I 303 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: were going to take a road trip and we're gonna 304 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: go pick up your sister. And so we drove down 305 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: together to pick up her remains. We met Monica at 306 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: the crematory and we decided to go back to the 307 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: site where she was recovered and just kind of pay 308 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: our respects, and also we were gonna do some press 309 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: to The three of us walked to the site into 310 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: those woods and we're looking around and Peter says, oh 311 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: my gosh, what is this. And Monica turns and she goes, 312 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: don't touch anything. Those are she knew immediately with human remains. 313 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: We had a step out of the scene and she 314 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: called law enforcement immediately alright, Lisa's stop right there. I 315 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: want everybody to understand what Lisa is saying to you. 316 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: She goes back where her sister's remains were found to 317 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: honor her, and they find human bones. Go ahead, Lisa, 318 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: and you just can't make this stuff up. No, and 319 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: this is just horrible. I mean, it just you having 320 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: to go through it. I'm sorry, but you having to 321 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: go through that, y'all. Finding human remains is beyond horrifying 322 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: to me. No, it is, it is. I don't still 323 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: to this day. It just seems surreal. So and the 324 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: weird thing about it it was was that it almost 325 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: looked as if they had been placed there, like someone 326 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: had come back, knew we were in town, had and 327 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: had like you knew we might be going to the site. 328 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: It was. It was just it was just surreal and 329 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: bizarre and horrifying, as you said. And so law enforcement 330 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: came and they re scoured the the area. I guess 331 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: it was a crime scene again, and they took those 332 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: remains and tested them and they ended up being my 333 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: sisters as well. All right, let's talk about suspects. And 334 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be real clear, right off the rail, there's 335 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: not it a suspect. There is only one suspect. Well 336 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: that's agree. There's nobody else's been on anybody's radar, right, 337 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: So your sister goes to Junction Pub to celebrate with 338 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: friends about her new job that she got at the 339 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: hotel at the Holiday Inn, that she is thrilled with 340 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: for the first time in her career. She's got her 341 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: own office. I mean, she's proud of herself. She's got 342 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: an office with her own desk and her own phone 343 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: or a door jing shut. She's running things. I mean 344 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: she's doing it. She's changing her life. And she goes 345 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: out to celebrate that and tell us what happened. So 346 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: she left the hotel that evening and went to meet 347 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: a friend of hers and to have a glass of 348 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: wine and and to celebrate, as you just said. And 349 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: at the time, I guess as the night was ending, 350 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: she was going to go get in her car and 351 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: her friend said to her, you know you're not You're 352 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: not going to drive. Let's let's call you a cab. 353 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: So my sister said, okay, So really she did the 354 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: right thing. And she motioned to the bartender and said, 355 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: can we get can we get a cab here? For 356 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: my friend Alison Bartender said, Okay, remember this is all 357 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: before uber and lyft and all of those things. And 358 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: a couple of minutes later, someone walks in the bar 359 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: and says, did someone call a cab? Her friend says, yes, 360 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: we did. Alison walks out and that's the last she's 361 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: ever seen And the next day her cars stare on 362 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: the park a lot. Nobody's heard from her. She's literally 363 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: just vanished. Correct. You find out later on that this 364 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: cab driver doesn't have cab company's number on his taxi. 365 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: So what what we discover is a junction pub and billiards. 366 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: At that time, they had a list of cab drivers 367 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: and cell phone numbers they wouldn't call. So this person 368 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: that we're talking about drove for Ports City Taxi and 369 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: he was a regular at the bar, and so if 370 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: somebody needed a cab ride, if he wasn't working even 371 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: they would call him and he would come and make 372 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: that extra money and pick up a fair. And that's 373 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 1: exactly what happened that night. And what number would they 374 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: call his cell phone? His cell phone. As a crime 375 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: scene investigator working with detectives, that means when the detectives 376 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: go to Port City cab. There's no record of a 377 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: pickup at Junction Pole, that is correct, So it looks like, oh, 378 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: he had nothing to do with it. He was nowhere there. 379 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: He didn't have a affair that night from there, that's correct. Okay. 380 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: So then you get word that there was another victim. 381 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: So so two things happened in the course of all that, right, 382 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: The first is we get where there's another victim. We 383 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: we get a call with information that a woman named 384 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: Sonia had been essentially picked up but kind of attacked 385 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: and almost raped and felt as if she was going 386 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: to be killed. She was able to escape the cab 387 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: that belonged to this only person of interest and there 388 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: in her life at the time is very difficult, and 389 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: she didn't show up at the court date, and so 390 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: he was able to plead to crimes of nature and 391 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: was released. Where did he take her when he attacked her? 392 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: The same place where my sister was recovered, that backup 393 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: road onto river Road, the same the same scenario, but 394 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: then he was thirsty and wanted to coke. There was 395 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: a whole story that went along with that. But how 396 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: and how she escaped and got free? But is the 397 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: same area we we then received the private investigator. At 398 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: the time, Mark Benson Um used to do a radio 399 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: show in Wilmington's called Blue Line Radio. So Mark receives 400 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: a phone call from this person of interest wife, Susan, 401 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: and she says, there's a lot of talk going on 402 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: at the bar that my husband is responsible for the 403 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: disappearance of Alison Foy, And Mark says what, and they're in. 404 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: The investigation into her husband begins because now we have 405 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: a name, and now we have what just happened with Sonia. 406 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: So now we have the name Timothy iron One, correct, 407 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: and he's a cab driver, correct. So now we're getting somewhere, Lisa, 408 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: or we think we are. Mm hmm. I get involved 409 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: and I get to come to Wilmington's and I get 410 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: in a car with you with Dr Dwayne Thompson and 411 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: Holly Hughes, and you drive us out to the Mexican 412 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: restaurant off Carolina Beach Road, correct, And we walk into 413 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: the woods where the ravine is, and you're telling us 414 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: all about it. You're telling us everything, and then I 415 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: say to you, I'd like to see iin on his house, 416 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: and you said okay. So we get in the car 417 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: and Dwayne's driving, and you're in the passenger seat and 418 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm in the back seat, and I look over to 419 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: cell tower before we leave, and you take us left, right, 420 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: terms straight, you know, here we go on our trip, 421 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: and everywhere you take us, I can see that cell tower. 422 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: And when we get out in front of his house, 423 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: as the crow flies, that cell towers right through his backyard. 424 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: He could walk straight to it. Thankfully, Sonya got away, 425 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: but he could go to that ravine anytime he wanted, 426 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: just walking out his backyard and then through the woods 427 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: completely unseen, right, correct, correct, And you're you're right. It's 428 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: really that simple. It's really that simple. And I know 429 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: Dr Laura Petler always says, you know, it's up to 430 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: the killer when they stopped getting gratification from a crime. Well, 431 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 1: he had to right there that he chose to put together. 432 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: He also took Sonya right there, so obviously that was 433 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: a dumping ground where he wanted to go to continue 434 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: to get gratification Asian from these crowns. I believe, so, 435 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: you know, and Monica, you can speak to her about 436 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: this too, and she would tell you too. The way 437 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: she does things, we knew that she was somewhere in 438 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: that three point five mile radius from the bar, and 439 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: in fact, Monica was just about to do with search 440 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: in that area where those remains were found, that she 441 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: was waiting for land consent when when they were recovered. 442 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, his house was right there. Everything was right there, 443 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: The bar was right there, the house was right there. Everything. 444 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: And then you've got some more information. So one thing 445 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: that I and one would do being a cab driver 446 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: is he would offer prostitutes free rides for their services. 447 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: So we knew he was getting sexual favors for giving 448 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: rides two people in town that were sex workers. So 449 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: he had that susp at pool at his ready. He 450 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: knew them, they knew him, so he could get somebody 451 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: in his cab for the second time, fifth time, seventh 452 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: time and they would be unsuspecting what was fixing to happen. Yeah, 453 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: so you're starting to check some boxes off with this guy. 454 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: Cab driver, cell phones, prostitutes, violence, So now he's got 455 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: an a rest record, right. Now we've got some similar crimes, right, 456 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: and then you have a new witness come forward all 457 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: these years later. Just suffice to say, my story with 458 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 1: the Wilmington p D has gotten progressively better over the years, 459 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: and once this detective Leah Odom was put on the case, 460 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: things really started to change dramatically, along with the information 461 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: that they that they had. Leah is a bulldog. He's 462 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: been pushing for this for a as long as he's 463 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: had the case. And eventually what comes up is a 464 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: year ago, I get a phone call from the district attorney. 465 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,479 Speaker 1: They have arrested Timothy ian One and he's in jail 466 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: on a million dollar bond in the twenty six year 467 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: old rate case where his DNA turned up and he 468 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: is being charged with kidnapping and rape from six year 469 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: old case. And that case, that's unbelievable. It is unbelievable 470 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: that the case sat in and I guess the PDS. 471 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: I guess they have a room. I don't know. Charlie 472 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: been a better no better, untested kits, and I guess 473 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: the government finally had some money and in looking through 474 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: these kids, this was one of the kids that was 475 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: tested absolutely okay. So the original victim, she had the 476 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: genius to the attack and after she was saved because 477 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: she ran literally to law enforcement to go and get 478 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: the rape kit. Um. Yes, and sometimes you know your 479 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: systems at a police department chain. So you may be 480 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: on one computer system, but then when you move to 481 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: another computer system, the old one just kind of goes away. 482 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: So the new detective on a new case can't really 483 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: go back and see that there's evidence somewhere. That's just 484 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: part of it. It's just like if you have photographs 485 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: saved on one laptop and you buy a new laptop, 486 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 1: those photographs are not on that laptop, so it's the 487 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: same thing. Unless everything is transferred over somehow, you're not, 488 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: as a new detective, going to know that there's maybe 489 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: an untested rape kit sitting there. Got it? So that 490 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: was to me something brilliant. And I also want to 491 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: kind of talk about the relationship that you've had with 492 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: law enforcement and the distric attorney, because you know, I've 493 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: had a chance to speak to Lee Odom as well, 494 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: and he's fabulous and he's open and he's willing to 495 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: try new things, and you know, he's doing all he 496 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: knows to do. I'll tell you that. But it's kind 497 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: of funny in our world. You know, police officers tend 498 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: to blame detectives, and detectives blame prosecutors, and prosecutors blame judges. 499 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: And judges blame juries any time a case doesn't go 500 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: so to speak. But I want people to understand too, 501 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: as a family, you have just been given horrible news. 502 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: So you're not gonna be in love with these people anyway. 503 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they've just told you something so life shattering 504 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: that you probably don't even want to speak to them again. 505 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: You want somebody to come and help and save her 506 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: and find her and make everything okay. And you know 507 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's like being at a doctor's office, right, 508 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: So if the doctor says, oh, this looks really bad, 509 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: you may not make it. And then the doctor comes 510 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: in and says, hey, I was able to save you. 511 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: That person is the greatest person ever. Right. But if 512 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: they have bad news and say well you need to 513 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: get your stuff in order, you know you're probably gonna 514 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: be a little I hate this guy. I need a 515 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: second opinion. Right, But for you, here's what again, I 516 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: admire about you. You've had issues with not thinking they're 517 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: working hard enough, they're not taking it seriously enough. I 518 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: know with the Digric attorney been David, it hasn't always 519 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: been a love story of I've had I've had my 520 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: own conversations with digit attorney been David, and I haven't 521 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: always been complimentary, you know, in talking with him. But again, 522 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: I do believe that they're doing the best they can 523 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: now with what they know now. I would agree with that. 524 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: I would agree with that, y'all, do not miss. Next week, 525 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: we talk with Monica Cayson, the founder of the Q 526 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: Center for Missing Persons. She has been with Alison's family 527 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: from the start. She searched for Allison with them, walked 528 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: the streets with them, pleaded for witnesses to come forward, 529 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: visited the crime scene when they found additional bones. Listen 530 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: and find out why Monica trust the streets