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Speaker 2: Problem solved touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was nasty right there.

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Speaker 2: Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is balling, breaking on breaking

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Speaker 2: on swim to the ground by Puda Baker Like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scarting nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc.

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Speaker 2: Well let's start with the weather. But you know what

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Speaker 2: they say about talking about the weather means you have

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Speaker 2: nothing else to talk about. That's why you arrived on

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Speaker 2: the weather in a conversation, and that is most definitely

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Speaker 2: then again, I don't know if I should start with

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Speaker 2: Buddha's shout out before camp. Let me clean this up

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Speaker 2: a little bit. As I quote, hey man, all I

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Speaker 2: want to know is are y'all bleeping ready?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: Said Buddha Baker in his social media video Go cards

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Speaker 2: is what he.

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Speaker 4: Said he did, And as I wrote on Asycardinals dot com,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to overanalyze something like that. Oh no,

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Speaker 4: come on, there are worse harbingers of that before camp.

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Speaker 2: I'm encouraging you to overanalyze.

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Speaker 4: I know you are. That's what you do.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm prone to overreacting. Come on now, Danny.

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Speaker 3: I got a chance to chat with Buddha a little

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Speaker 3: bit at Media Day earlier on Wednesday. Is that Tuesday, it's.

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Speaker 2: Been somebody just spent seven hours in a very hot bubble.

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Speaker 2: By the way, today's high was a record high of

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Speaker 3: I got a chance to chat with Buddha as well

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Speaker 3: as some other players. But he seemed like he was

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Speaker 3: Seemed like a totally normal, energized, happy Buddha Baker.

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Speaker 2: So this isn't like, Oh, I don't know, Chris Jones

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Speaker 2: a lot like last we saw Buddha Baker. I presume

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Speaker 3: I could kind of see either situation. Buddha Baker has

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Speaker 2: Darren, how do you quantify his value to the team

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Speaker 4: And part of it is the way the world works,

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Speaker 2: Roster in the cold hard business of being a running

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Speaker 2: back is what's your leverage? What is your leverage to

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean is it's interesting like the

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Speaker 4: Right, See that's the thing is like he got a deal.

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Speaker 3: Does that considered a successful meeting? Is that productive?

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Speaker 2: Honestly? I think he realized it was take it or

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Speaker 2: leave it. You're talking about so team Saquon his agent

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Speaker 4: Did you see those incentives?

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Speaker 4: The incentives, every single one of the incentives. He would

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Speaker 4: playoff birth. Maybe it's playoff birth, but still either way,

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Speaker 2: I like Saquon Barkley as much as the next guy.

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Speaker 2: You know what, the key to his season last year was,

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Speaker 2: Think about it. The twenty twenty one Cardinals were a

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Speaker 2: I've watched enough to know there's the Purge, the Purge Anarchy,

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Speaker 4: guessing you only had flip fops on. But still, come on, man, are.

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Speaker 3: Too comfortable in public these days? Oh boy, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: Isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Let me give him a time code on that gym.

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Speaker 4: Always funny to hear somebody like Danny talking on bring

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Speaker 3: Don't bully me, but bully people into keeping their shoes on.

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Speaker 3: What that means, I don't know. I look at people,

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Speaker 4: Talk well, first of all, the guy who asked the

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Speaker 3: I just was, well, I would be a starter.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's me. I'd be buckets all day.

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Speaker 2: Danny Buckets. That's all you need. There you go, that's

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Speaker 4: Okay, boy, did I just drive this right off the road.

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Speaker 4: And how much we're are we gonna see that in camp?

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Speaker 2: All right, so here's a big difference. Well, agree or disagree.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you know what, and Darren I got some

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Speaker 3: I think what I'm expecting to see from Jonathan Gannon's

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Speaker 2: to earn that spot virtually.

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Speaker 3: Not only that, think of how many starters are coming

435
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 3: off an injury to some degree last year. So you

436
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 3: only have so much film if you're the new staff

437
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 3: to look at. So those players, those starters really need

438
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 3: to make a good impression. A lot of them are

439
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 3: entering a contract year. Hollywood Brown, Ronde, All Moore, James

440
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 3: Connor's been banged up, right, zach Ertz. There's a lot

441
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 3: of players where even if you are coming in as

442
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Speaker 3: an expected starter, you didn't even have a full year

443
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: last year of tape for this coaching staff to look

444
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: at and evaluate. It's still an important year for you.

445
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 2: Think about it. Day before Cardinals show up on the

446
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: practice field for the first time. Cardinals Camp twenty twenty three,

447
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 2: a mini Monty Hall, if you will, as five players

448
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 2: are signed, including competition at center. Pat Elfline, a guy

449
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: who has started all fifteen games that he's been able

450
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: to play the last two years for Carolina at center,

451
00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 2: has forty career starts at center, compared to Yelda Froholdt,

452
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: who has four career starts at center. Jeff Swain tight

453
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: end most recently last three years with it Titans, so

454
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 2: obviously very well known as an entity by Manti asin

455
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: Ford fifty seven career starts as a tight end. Based

456
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 2: on his receiving numbers, I'm presuming he's more of a

457
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 2: blocking tight end. Well, guess what if you're going to

458
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: live in eleven and twelve and thirteen personnels we've heard repeatedly,

459
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: then you're going to need more guys, more proving guys

460
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Speaker 2: at least because as currently constructing the tight end room,

461
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: you're looking at one of those undrafted rookies being almost

462
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: an automatic based on the health and the viability of

463
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: zach Ertz. And then they added two USFL receivers and

464
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: another long snapper. I mean they've been held bent on

465
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Speaker 2: bringing competition to the long snapper rooms.

466
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Speaker 4: Well, you love to.

467
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 3: See Paul parsonally you you love to see it.

468
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Speaker 4: So to be fair, in the long snapper, they the

469
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: one of the ones they had on the roster Matt

470
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 4: Hembro ended up going on IR with a back injury.

471
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 4: So all they're doing is making sure that there's somebody

472
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Speaker 4: besides Aaron Burwer. But the great Jack Coco, who was

473
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 4: the one that was signed good name, was the long

474
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 4: snapper for the Packers last year, so he has experience.

475
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, so all right, Top three things you want to see?

476
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: Top three things? Maybe you're tracking once you get out there,

477
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: you get out on the grass, as coaches like to say, Okay,

478
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: not just the players, the media as well. You're out

479
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 2: on the grass, Danny and Darren. You want to get started.

480
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: Which one of you wants to lead off here? Top

481
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Speaker 2: three things you'd like to see? Well, or you're tracking.

482
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Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna not take the low hanging

483
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 4: fruit of the Kyler situation because I do think that

484
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: that's going to take a while and I think we're

485
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 4: going to be back beyond training camp to really worry

486
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: about that. But what I am gonna say is, Okay,

487
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: can Clayton Tune or David Blauer, DRFT, Driss, Jeff driscoll

488
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: make any kind of headway on Colt McCoy. I think

489
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 4: Colt McCoy's your starter, But given the circumstances, given where

490
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 4: they are, given what they might want to look at,

491
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Speaker 4: can Clayton tune uh, you know, kind of Russell Wilson

492
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 4: his way into a depth chart place before we get

493
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Speaker 4: to the regular season, that would be one. Number Two

494
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 4: is going to be how this defense comes together, because

495
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,719
Speaker 4: I offensively, I think you can point to a lot

496
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 4: of places where you're like, Oh, that guy's probably gonna play,

497
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 4: that guy's probably gonna play. Defensively, I feel so wide

498
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 4: open in so many different ways, not only with scheme

499
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 4: but what players they might put out there. I want

500
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 4: to see exactly what we haven't seen so far once

501
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 4: they get into team work in open practice. And then

502
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: I guess three is for me is going to be

503
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 4: how did JG. Jonathan Gannon run this thing? You know,

504
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 4: there's he mentioned in one of his early press conferences

505
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: about how when somebody asked about training camp, how last

506
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 4: year in Philadelphia there were so many Eagles media that

507
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 4: were all over like, hey, you're running too light of

508
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 4: a camp and it's never gonna work. And obviously the

509
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 4: Eagles ended up making to the super Bowl. And I

510
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 4: wonder if that's Jonathan Gannon is big on not going

511
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 4: super hard in camp, and I thought it was interesting. Obviously,

512
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 4: Jonathan Gannon isn't there anymore. But I saw a tweet

513
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 4: the other day about the Eagles for like the first

514
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: eight days of training camp they're actually going one on

515
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: one off like they practice one day, no practice, practice,

516
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 4: no practice. Like that's really light.

517
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: Man.

518
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 4: We're a long way from two A days.

519
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, now that Jonathan Gannon is his own guy,

520
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: is he going to emulate a Nick Sirianni when it

521
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 2: comes to that sort of approach to training camp or not?

522
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: I mean, if you e a Eagles have very few

523
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: decisions to make. Obviously, they just want to stay healthy

524
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: and be ready to go buy Week one Cardinals exactly

525
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: the opposite, So I would think you have to you

526
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 2: have to run a little tougher training camp, at least

527
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: get some more full contact, full pad, full go football,

528
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: one on one competitions to try and determine, all right,

529
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: who is worthy of the final fifty three.

530
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Speaker 3: He took a lot of the good ones, Darren.

531
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna jerk that way, so I think I was

532
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 4: gonna say much worse word there.

533
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: Let me write down the timecode in that one too.

534
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: These are good ones. It's a very productive start to

535
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Speaker 2: camp here in terms of drops, that's good.

536
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: I always forget your left handed I think offensively, just

537
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 3: kind of lumping them together knowing that this offense wants

538
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: to run the ball more, expecting to see maybe some

539
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 3: more twelve thirteen personnel. Who does that look like? Besides

540
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: it's James Connor in the backfield, and assuming you have

541
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 3: a healthy zach Ertz and if you don't, you know,

542
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: besides Trey McBride, who is your depth there? Really the

543
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: running back room is what intrigues me of how do

544
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 3: they envision complimenting James Connor. Is it going to be

545
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 3: more of a committee approach. Is somebody going to take

546
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: a little bit of a lead as that second back.

547
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: That's kind of something I'm looking at offensively on those

548
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 3: those two spots cornerback is intriguing to me. I feel

549
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: like at this point the starting spots are Antonio Hamilton

550
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: and Marco Wilson's to lose, but that is a possibility.

551
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 3: So that's a position on defense that I'm looking at

552
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: and hoping to see growth from them there and then

553
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: looking way ahead in training camp, because training camp, truly

554
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: the days are very long, and you have to go

555
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: day by day, so it feels like forever. But the

556
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: week of joint practices against the Minnesota Vikings, I would

557
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 3: like to see intense practices where you're getting meaningful reps. Again,

558
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: it was a different training staff, a different team practicing

559
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: against the Titans last year, but only having one practice

560
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: there was only a few minutes. Honestly at most of

561
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: having the teams go against each other, it was really

562
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: two separate individual practices. I would like to see true

563
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: joint practices. Your starter is going up against their starters,

564
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 3: getting a feel for those pre snap penalties and if

565
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: that's an issue, kind of getting a feel for offensive

566
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: and defensive line combinations. That's something I will be looking

567
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: forward to, is having those energetic and meaningful and productive

568
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: practices in Minnesota.

569
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: Man, that's hoping more productive than they were in Tennessee. Right,

570
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: it's got to be better, got to be better than

571
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: it was last year, and I think it will be.

572
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: And I think Cardinals are going to really value those

573
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: practices to get a final assessment a lot of the

574
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 2: regulars as to how they're going to stack the depth chart,

575
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,959
Speaker 2: who's going to make the final fifty three things I'm

576
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: watching effective immediately, presuming he's going to be out on

577
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: the field. Bjo Jalai, we didn't see him. This guy

578
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: could be a starting edge player for you week one

579
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: at Washington for all we know. Obviously, his pedigree is high.

580
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: He has an incredible skill set. First Team All SEC

581
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: the only player the last three years of his career

582
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 2: in college ball who had more quarterback pressures than bjo

583
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: Jilari when number three overall Will Anderson. So I want

584
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: to see this guy. I also want to see because

585
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: there's differing Scautter reports on whether he's a liability against

586
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 2: the run or not. How stout is he in the

587
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: run game? Can he set the edge? Can he be

588
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: that dude? So we'll see about that. Speaking in the edge,

589
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: Zaman Collins, I mean, when you hear some of what's

590
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 2: said by teammates when they talk about Dennis Gardak, who

591
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 2: says he'll be a dominant outside backer, about Zamon Collins,

592
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: When Josh Woods, who's new on the scene, he says

593
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: he's going to be an amazing player in this league.

594
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: Zamon Collins, Hello, you know what exactly does that mean?

595
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: Could just be the Cardinals? Poor man? Micah Parsons, where

596
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: exactly is that tracking? And then the guy I'm going

597
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on just because he was entertaining

598
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: to watch last year and then we didn't see him

599
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: during the regular season because he got hurt at the

600
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: end of camp, Marquise Hayes, the guard out Oklahoma seventh

601
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: round pick last year, and he came in with a

602
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: nasty edge to him and he was good for sort

603
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: of like the Eagles practice schedule during camp. He was

604
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: good for a fight every other day.

605
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 3: Same with Will Hernandez. Yeah, the refrigerator he's been nicknamed.

606
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: Yes, So definitely be watching some of that and where

607
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 2: exactly that's gonna go in camp. And then you know,

608
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: it wasn't for Darren. I'm like you, Danie, let's se

609
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: you know, we gang up on Darren and he took

610
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: Clayton tune.

611
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 4: Go ahead.

612
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: Definitely going to keep an eye in Clayton Tune. I mean,

613
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: come on, I'm not going to miss an opportunity to

614
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: fan the flames of a quarterback controversy in camp because

615
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: it gets us through August, even if it's for the

616
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: backup spot.

617
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: What about special teams? Who are you watching on special teams?

618
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 4: Paul oh doesn't watch special teams, does he?

619
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: Well, how can you not watch the punters? Come on now,

620
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: Matt Locke, come on, you're.

621
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: Gonna have to remind us the list of the seven

622
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 3: out of fifteen players that you are going to keep

623
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: your eye on to see how they're doing training camp.

624
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: Brook. I'm gonna give you a couple right here, okay.

625
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: I Mauri de Mercado, the running back.

626
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: I love saying that name.

627
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: I love that guy out a tcuh. I'm bullish on him.

628
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna make some noise in camp. Quavian White,

629
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: find him minute of American and cornerback.

630
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: You're picking all the short guys.

631
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna short King Season Darren.

632
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: He can play. He's he's gonna be in that secondary.

633
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: That cornerback room is wide open. Best case scenario, you

634
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: have Marco Wilson. You again, Antonio Hamilton back to form.

635
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: He looks like you did last year in camp. Antonio Hamilton.

636
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: If you can get over the mental dress of being

637
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: older than his defensive coordinator by a year. Antonio Hamilton,

638
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: he's that guy. He's mentally tough. I think he can

639
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 2: do it. And then you get Key Troll Clark who

640
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: looked good, a six runner out of Louisville. Garrett, what

641
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: do we know about the third round rookie? By the way,

642
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: Garrett Williams, Syracuse, What exactly is that a big question mark?

643
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: As of the startup Cardinals scamp?

644
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if, like the other

645
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: ACL guys, he starts on the physically unable to perform list.

646
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: I mean, and again he can come off at any time.

647
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: Well if they put him on the right one. But

648
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 4: I'm assuming he will be on the one that can

649
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Speaker 4: come off at any time. There's a couple of different

650
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Speaker 4: pup lists, gotcha. I don't know that the thing is

651
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: is I would think cornerback is a position where not

652
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: that it's easy to come into the NFL and play

653
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: it right away, but it's easier than maybe some other spots.

654
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: But we are talking about a guy coming off a

655
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: major injury and then missed all of the offseason. So

656
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 4: is he going to be able to make an impact

657
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: even once he's healthy? You know, you got to be

658
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: able to see that. I'm curious to see where he is.

659
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: I don't think there's any question he's kind of in

660
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 4: the mix at some point how early he is. It

661
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: goes back to when you're talking about how wide open

662
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: the cornerback room is. It really is and for all

663
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: the reasons you just mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Well, as Kyle Vannenbosch said, the one thing you do

665
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: fear with the car defense is the combination of a

666
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: poor pass rush and inexperienced secondary. You can get away

667
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: with one or the other being below average, but if

668
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: you get the combination of not getting to the quarterback

669
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: and not having stout stellar coverage in the secondary, now

670
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: you could have a real problem on the defensive side

671
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: of the ball. So hopefully you get one or the other.

672
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Speaker 2: I put together a little list here, guys, and I

673
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: know I opened myself up to criticism. It's cool. I'm

674
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: used to it. Here on Cardinals Underground, brought to you

675
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Speaker 2: by Pacific Office Automation. These these are ways in which

676
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: the Cardinals might exceed expectations, because, let's face it, according

677
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: to Vegas, not a lot of expectations on a Cardinals

678
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: team that is gonna be missing its franchise quarterback. We

679
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: don't know. Is he gonna miss just some of camp,

680
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: is he gonna miss what? Anyway? All the question marks

681
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: out there we have no idea. But here's a few

682
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: different scenarios where I think the Cardinals maybe exceed those expectations.

683
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: For exams, New York Giants last year came off a

684
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: four win season, fixed the offensive line, won a playoff

685
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: game with By the way, they had fifty four million

686
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: dollars in dead cap money and they still were able

687
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: to win a playoff game. Jacksonville went from the number

688
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: one pick in the draft to turning around and then

689
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: winning a playoff game. So you never quite know in

690
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: the NFL. But if, for example, Monty Hall the new GM,

691
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: if he strikes again with this rookie class with some

692
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: waiver claims at the end of camp, right, if the

693
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: rookies are half as productive as the rookie GM. Okay,

694
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: that's where I think the Cardinals. If this physical style

695
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: of play, the violent brand of football that Jonathan Gannon

696
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: talks about, if that can make up for some of

697
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: the lack of talent on this roster and you're able

698
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: to win some games just via physicality, which can happen,

699
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: then I think the Cardinals exceed expectations. They play the

700
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: pound game, for example, that run game, and it really

701
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: is effective. And if, for example, James Connor recaptures his

702
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl form from two years ago, which I think

703
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: is very plausible. I think we've all seen and talked

704
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: to James Conner this offseason. He is fired up. Not

705
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: only is he in a contract year, but I think

706
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: he likes this offense. It really caters to a power

707
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: running back. And so you know a little pro tip.

708
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: If you're doing your fantasy football draft and James Connor

709
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: is still lingering on the board late in your draft,

710
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: don't hesitate, I think, and don't forget two years ago.

711
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: How many touchdowns did he have in that that season? Right?

712
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: It was absurd? So eighteen, I tell you what if

713
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: if the Cardinals can get a Michael Wilson as a

714
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: big outside receiver combined with Hollywood Brown who was a

715
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: top seven and catches and receiving yards before he suffered

716
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 2: the foot injury Week six at Seattle. Plus you like

717
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: your inside slot receivers and Rondel Moore and Greg Dortsch,

718
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: I think that receiver room if again Michael Wilson can

719
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 2: be a reliable rookie receiver, which tends to be more

720
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: the exception than the norm in the NFL. And if

721
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: this team can learn the same lesson that Zamon Collins

722
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: learned on Day one and team meetings, right, you better

723
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: bring your attention to detail. Thou shalt not multitask by

724
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: eating your breakfast and partaking into team meeting, because that

725
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: means your attention is divided. If this team can eliminate,

726
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: for example, leading the league in pre snap penalties, which

727
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: they did a year ago, and I think each of

728
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 2: the last three years they were top five in penalties,

729
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: including two years ago they led the league in penalties,

730
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: if they can stop being their own worst enemy, Cardinals

731
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: beating Cardinals, then I think these are all manners in

732
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: which plus you get a surprise pass rusher, whether it's

733
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: Bgo Jallai, whether it's Zavon Collins, whether it's my J

734
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: Sanders Cam Thomas. If one of these guys can somehow

735
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: break out a little bit and get you a double

736
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: Diggings in sacks.

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Speaker 4: Can I ask this question when you go through that list,

738
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Speaker 4: do they all have to happen to.

739
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: No, maybe just one or two of them, two or

740
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 2: three of them, you know, that's all. I'm just giving

741
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: you some scenarios and give you a multiple choice, and

742
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: maybe you can check a few of these boxes. Then okay,

743
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: you know what you want a hot take? I know

744
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: you guys, are you know?

745
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: I love a good hot take.

746
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: Here's Rob Frederickson on The Big Red Rage. A couple

747
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: of weeks ago. He said that no, DeAndre Hopkins might

748
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 2: actually be beneficial for a Kyler Murray when he comes

749
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 2: back in that, you're like, okay, fill in the blank.

750
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Speaker 3: There.

751
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: He was so prone to focusing and locking onto d

752
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: hop right feeding like you got a feeling like you

753
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: have to force balls to nuke, get him his requisite

754
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: number at targets. DeAndre Hopkins chirping in your ear hole

755
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: on the sideline. Okay, I'm open, I'm open, I'm open. Well,

756
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: what if all of a sudden, this just allows Kyler

757
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 2: Murray to truly run the offense, go through his reads

758
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: and progression and just get the ball to the open receiver.

759
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: What if somehow it actually ends up being beneficial when

760
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 2: it comes to a defense that has to play the

761
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: Cardinals more honest, most defenses would come in like, well,

762
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: they're going to de hop first, second, and third, so

763
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna double or at least give extra attention over

764
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: nuke and then guess what it becomes even more difficult

765
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: to get the ball to Deander Hopkins. Well, now you

766
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 2: don't have that luxury. Maybe it's not as big a

767
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 2: tell for defense as when they formulate their game plan.

768
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Speaker 3: I do think that is a pro I think there's

769
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: pros and obviously cons of losing a player of hops

770
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: caliber and his skill of he was reliable. It didn't

771
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: matter which quarterback was out on the field for the Cardinals.

772
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: You knew that you could go when you could trust

773
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: throwing it up and he would come down with that

774
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 3: contested ball. But I do think there are things that

775
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: could still be positive. You talking about not necessarily feeling

776
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: like the ball has to be fed through him. I

777
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: think when I did a big red Rage with Rob

778
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: Fredericks in a couple of weeks ago, wasn't necessarily talking

779
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: about dere Hopkins. He was just saying in generally talking

780
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: about leadership in general. He had a good point of

781
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 3: you know, the Cardinals have lost a lot of veterans,

782
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: not just DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, JJ Watt, right throughout

783
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: the league, and just because you're a veteran doesn't necessarily

784
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 3: mean you are a good leader. And I do think

785
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: that even when Hopkins was in the locker room. I

786
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: think he was one of those players where people probably

787
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: just knew what he added to the game and kind

788
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: of watched and saw how he did things and kind

789
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: of led by example in that sense. I don't I'm

790
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: not really sure how local he was as a leader,

791
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: but I do think that, you know, it's it's kind

792
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: of a fresh start for players to step up and

793
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: kind of have a new culture in there. And again,

794
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: that's not just on not having DeAndre Hopkins in the

795
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: locker room. That's a whole bunch of changes. But you

796
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: bring up a good point is while you're obviously losing

797
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: a great talent and not having DeAndre Hopkins on this roster,

798
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: there are still pros that you can find from the situation.

799
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Speaker 4: It was a little funny to me when I saw

800
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: a tweet as Titans camp started. DeAndre Hopkins had his

801
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 4: introductory press conference to the Tennessee media, and he let

802
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 4: everybody know that Mike Rabel had already given him permission

803
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 4: to miss the first few days of training camp so

804
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: he could tend to some personal things for real.

805
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah really, yeah, Okay, Well, there's no excuses from the Titans,

806
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: Mike Rabel and the offensive coordinator. They're both very familiar

807
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: with d Hot from their Houston days, so there should

808
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: be no surprises. And you know what, look, sometimes you

809
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: have to make allowances when you previously had the worst

810
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: receiver room in the NFL.

811
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Speaker 4: This is true.

812
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: You needed talent, so they were willing to pay the

813
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: price and accommodate the player. So, okay, we'll see and look,

814
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: when you look at the Cardinals offense, you know, I'm

815
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: just gonna go to a couple of things. I'm gonna

816
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: go to what zach Ertz told Wolf and Luke in

817
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: the offseason in this very studio where he's They were

818
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: asked how different is the current offense Drew Petsing, and

819
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: his response was, zach Ertz, it couldn't be more different

820
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: than what Cliff Kingsbury ran where we were in the

821
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: gun every play, and so you know, zach Ertz went

822
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: on to say, this is going to be a Kubiak

823
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: style offense like Houston ran back in the day. Interesting, Okay,

824
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: if you're looking for more on that, the Red Sea Report,

825
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: Drew Stanton went into great detail as to what that

826
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: might look like, what exactly a Kubiak style offense is,

827
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: and it has a lot of connections to the West

828
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: Coast offense, getting the ball out quick, a lot of

829
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: short passes yards after the catch, a lot of play action,

830
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 2: and then we get to the quarterback under center. Because

831
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: maybe the most telling as we get ready to start

832
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: training camp in daily updates with a coach Jonathan Gannon,

833
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: maybe the most telling interview of the entire offseason was

834
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: about twenty four hours after JG was hired and he

835
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: sat down with Peter King. This was a few days

836
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: before he introduced Drew Petsing, who at that press conference

837
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: with his head coach and good friend Jonathan Gannon, Petsing

838
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: gave Gannon a hard time about sharing a little too

839
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: much with the media. Well some of those comments, if

840
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: you revisit him, we're all about Kyler Murray, and JG

841
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: said to Peter Gang first off, if Kyler isn't here,

842
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: I don't take the job. But then he went on

843
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: to say the offense will look much different that the

844
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: key is we got to take him to another level,

845
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: unleash Kyler's full skill set, and the key is putting

846
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: Kyler under center more, not operating nearly so much out

847
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: of the shotgun. We're not going to put him in

848
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: the gun all the time. JG continued, I'll tell you

849
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: that much. We'll have two significant offenses with his skill set.

850
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: The way to take pressure off the quarterback in the

851
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: O line is to put him under center. That's the

852
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: missing piece because when you're in the gun all the time,

853
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: you don't make the defense defend certain play types. Now

854
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 2: when you get him under center, the defense has to

855
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: defend a lot more play types. So there's really two

856
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: offenses I see us using. And how many defensive linemen

857
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years for the Cardinals would

858
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: tell us that when the offense, the opposing offense on

859
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: a key third and four would get into the gun,

860
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: the defensive line would say yes, because now that cuts

861
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 2: in half how many potential plays can be run and

862
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 2: really narrows down the thinking and decision making of a

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Speaker 2: defensive lineman that they can play it differently. So Deerra

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Speaker 2: Drew Stanton break it down. This Cardinal scheme will have

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Speaker 2: a lot in common with the Kyle Shanahan because the

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00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: whole Kubiak style offense comes from Mike Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 2: runs that's you know obviously, and what is he known

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Speaker 2: for in San Francisco, and that in his offense, always

869
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: keeping a defense on its heels, never running the same

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Speaker 2: thing twice, or maybe it's the same play out of

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Speaker 2: a totally different personnel group trying to quote UNGAP a

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Speaker 2: defense with a power run scheme. So very very curious

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Speaker 2: as to what exactly it'll look like. And once again

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Speaker 2: I don't expect to really see in the preseason games.

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Speaker 2: But Week one at Washington, by the way, I have

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Speaker 2: Washington already one and oh on the season after it

877
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Speaker 2: was additioned by subtraction, they got rid of Daniel Snyder,

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Speaker 2: So now I give him a win for that.

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Speaker 4: So that's dangerous because you just say that out of context.

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Speaker 4: You say they want to know and they open with

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals, and I thought that that's kind of a

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you want.

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Speaker 2: To go there there one and oh going into week

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Speaker 2: one is what I'm trying. I guess I should make that.

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Speaker 4: Are they getting eighteen decision?

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Speaker 3: Have his fun Darren big win for right there?

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Speaker 2: Maybe? Okay? So what do you think in terms of

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Speaker 2: last question as you wrap up this edition of Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 2: do we have any sense as to the fight policy

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Speaker 2: from Jonathan Gannett.

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't he I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: he spent some time in Philly. I would imagine he's

893
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: okay with a little a little here and there, not

894
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: necessarily a punch, right. We don't want breaking a hand

895
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Speaker 3: on a helmet or giving anyone concussion or broken nose

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Speaker 3: or anything like that. You know, no broken fingers. But

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Speaker 3: I think maybe, you know, especially on days where it

898
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Speaker 3: just kind of feels like nobody might be focused or

899
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Speaker 3: kind of you know, need some more energy. It's like

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00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: kind of in hockey, right, you have like p investigators, Like.

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00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 4: I'm has Wolf not investigated this yet?

902
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Speaker 2: He texted me last night?

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Speaker 4: Did he really?

904
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Speaker 2: He texted me he said, you know, of course, you

905
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Speaker 2: know once again Wolf doing. By the way, Ron wolf Ley,

906
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Speaker 2: you asked me during vagation to fill in on a

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Speaker 2: Thursday Friday Monday, we do the Thursday show, we do

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Speaker 2: the Big Red Rage Thursday night, and then by eight

909
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Speaker 2: o'clock that night, I'm getting a text from your producer

910
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Speaker 2: that you're calling in sick on Friday, and then you

911
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: called in sick on Monday.

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00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 4: That's just wrong.

913
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: It's not what I signed up for. What's going on

914
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: over there, but if Wolf would have been listening to

915
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Speaker 2: his own show on Monday, because he wasn't there. We

916
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Speaker 2: talked about this at length that Robert Sala had to

917
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Speaker 2: address the fact there were a couple of fights at

918
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Speaker 2: Jets camp, and his policy is players will be players.

919
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: It's not out of disdain for your teammate. Guys are

920
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: trying to make the team. Emotions will boil over. I

921
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: just have one rule within the scheme of things is

922
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Speaker 2: that no punches. No punches because the moment you throw

923
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Speaker 2: a punch, the official will throw a flag. And we

924
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Speaker 2: don't want to eat broken hands or fingers like you said.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and it's not always personal, just real quick. I mean,

926
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Speaker 3: think of one last year was Isaiah Simmons and DeAndre

927
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Speaker 3: Hopkins who kind of got in each other's faces. Those

928
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Speaker 3: two are best friends off the field.

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Speaker 4: It's not personal, okay. But I've got a how do

930
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Speaker 4: you define fight? Because if there's no punches, then it's

931
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Speaker 4: not a fight.

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Speaker 2: He saying the way he did he did define it.

933
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Speaker 2: He said, I guess he has seven kids, Robert Sala.

934
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Speaker 2: He said, it's the same thing I tell my kids,

935
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Speaker 2: which is below the neck, above the waist. Oh my gosh,

936
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Speaker 2: meaning you know, you can get at a tussle and

937
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Speaker 2: get out. You can grab some jersey, maybe you can

938
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Speaker 2: get a chicken wing in there, maybe you get a

939
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Speaker 2: little bit of a I don't know, but last year

940
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Speaker 2: the heavyweight battle we saw last year was Willharnandez and

941
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Speaker 2: JJ Watt.

942
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Speaker 4: Obviously yes, which is still I still keep thinking about

943
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Speaker 4: JJ Watt getting shoved down by Will Hernanaz jumping up,

944
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Speaker 4: ticked off, rushing Will Hernana's stationary and bouncing off him.

945
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Speaker 2: It was like it's like a brick wall. It's like

946
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: a pass ball hitting the backstope. That was once again

947
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Speaker 2: though with a lot of new faces. It can't better

948
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Speaker 2: be sure you have a full skin report on who

949
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Speaker 2: you're going up against. Remember a good fifteen years ago

950
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Speaker 2: Tom Pestock, Oh yeah, Golden Gloves boxer, MMA champ. He

951
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: was like a jiu jitsu black belt and the word

952
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Speaker 2: in camp was do not do not fight Tom Pestock

953
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Speaker 2: back up left guard. Well, I guess a backup D

954
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Speaker 2: lineman didn't get the memo and things got a little

955
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Speaker 2: testy after the whistle and in a quick one, two

956
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Speaker 2: three down went the d lineman. Immediately he got dropped

957
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Speaker 2: by Tom Pestock. And by the way, uh, Sasha, what

958
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Speaker 2: is the guy Bearwood Baron Cohen? What is his name? Now,

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Speaker 2: he's a pro wrestler, Tom Pestock.

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Speaker 4: So so, anyway, all these former Great Cardinals training camp

961
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Speaker 4: guys should.

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Speaker 3: Let everyone know that we're still going to have Cardinals

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Speaker 3: on the ground during training camp and Cardinals Cover too

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Speaker 3: with Craig Reelou Why don't we mostly going to be

965
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Speaker 3: posting those though on Wednesdays? Is that the plan throughout

966
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Speaker 3: training camp und Wednesday?

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Speaker 4: That fits the schedule a little bit? Well, no, we

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Speaker 4: were saying, do we say?

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Speaker 3: I think I think we're doing Wednesdays? There will be

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Cover two throughout the week as well, and our

971
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Speaker 3: Twitter at Easy Cards Insiders, our personal twitters. Maybe I'll

972
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Speaker 3: make Darren do a TikTok or too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul, you didn't hear about our TikTok, did you.

974
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Speaker 3: I've got a TikTok idea. We'll see how the execution

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Speaker 3: looks and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk through it all right, So a lot to determine,

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Speaker 2: a lot to decide.

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Speaker 3: I got to go pack my bags, yep, you know so.

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Speaker 2: Uh, And once again I think We'd remiss if we

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Speaker 2: didn't all give thanks for the climate control out at

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Speaker 2: State Farm Stadium. Well standing ovation here at the end, okay,

982
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Speaker 2: well golf clap for climate control during training.

983
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Speaker 3: Now we're excited to see fans out there at the

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Speaker 3: open practices. Be sure to wave and say hi.

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Speaker 2: Okay. First open practice July twenty seventh. Correct, first padded practice,

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Speaker 2: which I am introducing legislation by the Power not Destinying

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Speaker 2: Me to make a state holiday. The first full contact

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Speaker 2: full pad practice is scheduled for July thirty first yes,

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Speaker 2: I believe, so okay and that'll do it for This

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Speaker 2: edition of Cardinals Underground was the night before cards Camp,

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