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Speaker 1: stories of things we simply don't know the answer too. Well. Hey, there,

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Speaker 1: welcome to an episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast. I'm Devin,

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Speaker 1: joined per usual by Joe and Steve, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about a mystery. Is it really? That's a scary

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Speaker 1: mystery too? On top of just how do we not

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Speaker 1: do this in in October? Because not enough people asked

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Speaker 1: for it? I think I have asked for it. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've been willful ignoring I guess. So. Once again, this

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Speaker 1: is examples of where Joe doesn't look at the inbox,

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Speaker 1: does not look at the internet stuff, like at the

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Speaker 1: inbox all the time. I answered a couple of emails

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Speaker 1: just today he did actually thank you. So this week

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about the skin Walker ranch or

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Speaker 1: how I learned to stop worrying and accept my alien overlords.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, oh boy, oh, I can always

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Speaker 1: tell we're in for a ride when you've subtimes given

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Speaker 1: subtext to the title of the episode. Yeah, that's true,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Buckle up guy. That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, now this is the place So and the

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Speaker 1: Aliens finally decided to open up those those timespace portals

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to give in. I'm just gonna turn

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Speaker 1: total quizzling Yeah, that's funny because all they have to

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Speaker 1: their true ally is me hobnoutly obviously not yeah fake

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about what's widely accepted as

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Speaker 1: So Skinwalker Ranch is near off Fort You Shane, thank you,

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Speaker 1: in Wyoming, like almost equidistant. That's not I think it's

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00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: closer to Camp Williams myself, but it's, like I said,

422
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: almost equalistant. Um, so maybe they've been like testing back

423
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: and forth. I don't know, special special like reverse engineered

424
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: like you know, American made flying saucers that. Yeah, although

425
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: I will take this moment to mention we've mentioned briefly

426
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: that Terry and Gwen Sherman were the owners of this

427
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: property from the early nineties until they bought it and

428
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: I think sold it. Yeah, they were only like two

429
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: or three years, two or three years. And so in

430
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: this this guy Bigelow, Robert Bigelow, he's the millionaire owner

431
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: of Billionaire bill excuse me, billionaire owner of Budget Suites

432
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: of America UM and also the founder of Bigelow Aerospace UM.

433
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: He owns almost the entirety of Skinwalker Ranch. Now, the

434
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: whole thing. He owned the whole thing. Yeah, I thought

435
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: there was like a little bit that he didn't own.

436
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: There's like a very small acreage. But no, no, I

437
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: mean I trust you on this stuff, and I trust myself.

438
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: You can actually search county the candy assession site by

439
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: by owner name, and I searched for the Shermans, and

440
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: the only parcel that they own is in Jensen, Utah.

441
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: So I all seven parcels that are are the ranch

442
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: are owned by Bige Little Utah LLC. Okay, Yeah, so

443
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: I guess it's a little interesting because you may have

444
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: missed the fact that I said that he is the

445
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: founder of Bigelow Airspace, Aerospace excuse me aerospace. He's got

446
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: what he's putting a hotel into space? Is that what?

447
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of a cool idea. It's a big inflatable structure.

448
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna like put it up into orbit and then

449
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna have one of those little those little CEO

450
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: two cart and that's going to blow the whole thing up.

451
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, but well, this is like fun discussion.

452
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: But he has actually put two things into space, all right,

453
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: He's got two of them, and he's got two things

454
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: in space. Who's been up there for a couple of years.

455
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: So maybe he was actually using the ranches testing and

456
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: he just wasn't telling anybody could be they do? They

457
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: do seem a total d move right there. Oh yeah, Okay,

458
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: so we're getting off traffic and I'm sorry you guys,

459
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: oh it. Uh So, the the things like slugs, I

460
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: think we can dismiss that. I can't find any information

461
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: about what they look like, how often we see these things,

462
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: how we even know about them. So I'm going to

463
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: go ahead and dismiss that phenomenon. We can defend ourselves

464
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: from them very easily, salt, just carrying a shaker of salt.

465
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: When I think either their slugs or their leeches, they

466
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: might just be big er, or they're just totally made up.

467
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: Maybe there's some sort of slug this native to Utah

468
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: that's the size of your arm. Yeah, maybe they're like

469
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: the Mongols something. Yeah. Yeah. The firefly sprites and the

470
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: flash strones I think are probably the same thing. And

471
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: I think that they are a thing that we've actually

472
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this before briefly in another episode.

473
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: It's a pretty well known phenomenon called will of the Wisps.

474
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: I think we talked about it in the mom Talk. No, no,

475
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: well you know, well, yeah, we we talked about this earlier.

476
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: And not trying to remember, I thought that it was

477
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: either the who put Bella in the witch Elm or

478
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: the other one that I think it might have been

479
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: was the Forest. Yeah, I can I can't remember, because

480
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I swear you it was an episode that you did.

481
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: I did actually go through. I can't listen to all

482
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: of our episodes. I actually couldn't even go through all

483
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: of ouring that are out right now. You don't have

484
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: time for that weird, right, But I do remember at

485
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: one point we talked about this natural phenomena with the

486
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: like lights that shoot out of the water swamp gas

487
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, so scientists, there's no swamps

488
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: near the ranch, right, No, but it's not only seen

489
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: around swamps. It's seen around any kind of body of water,

490
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: and not even exclusively around bodies of water, but anywhere

491
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: where there might be gas releases. It is a naturally

492
00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: occurring phenomena. So like, yeah, so scientists starting sure what

493
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: causes it, but they are sure that it's a natural phenomena,

494
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: and we see it all over the place, all over

495
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, there's there's other phenomena to like, floating

496
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: lights are not uncommon, like the Marfa lights in Texas, Yeah, exactly,

497
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: and those are the those have pretty much been proven

498
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: to just be car headlights passing through what's called a

499
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: Fata Morgana mirage, which is what's called a superior mirage

500
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: because it makes things on the on the on the

501
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: ground appear to be up in the air, to be

502
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: higher than that. Well, that's the same thing that there's

503
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: that that was it's currently going around on the day

504
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: we're recording. This will be several weeks past. But there

505
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: is the floating Chinese skyscrapers. Have you guys seen this.

506
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: There's clouds in the sky and there are skyscrapers in

507
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: the clouds, and it's the exact same phenomenon that's causing that.

508
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: And actually, I guess we bring up at this point

509
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: likely it's the exact same phenomenon that's causing a motorcycle

510
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: to be eight ft feet in the air. Entirely possible

511
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: to Yeah, but now there are a lot of different

512
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: totally approvable natural phenomenon that these lights could be, including fireflies.

513
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew either, but it could

514
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: be a thing or maybe somebody listening from applies on fire.

515
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: Maybe that's cruel. The bulletproof wolf, I'm nine point nine

516
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: five sure it's just a real wolf. Joe and I

517
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: were talking about this before you got here today. Is

518
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: the descriptions of the size of this wolf. One of

519
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: the things that cracked me up is I think it's

520
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: um it was the wife said that they saw the

521
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: wolf and it was the size of her car, and

522
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: she had it. She was driving a Chevy Chevette. Guess

523
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: who owned a Chevy Chavette at one time. This kid

524
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: right here, and I can tell you that a Chevy Shevette.

525
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm normal, light whatever, and it's about mid chest height

526
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: on me. Been a own really big dogs like great

527
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: Danes and whatnot, and pretty they're you know, a little

528
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: is that? Well? One of the things I wanted to

529
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: say is that I have actually had the pleasure of

530
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: interacting with real live wolves in in real life, and

531
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: I think that people don't realize how stink and big

532
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: they are, you know, especially if you're a rancher and

533
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: you've seen them in the distance or you just like

534
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: you think they're just like like the size of a

535
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: lab or something like that. Those things are giant. Their

536
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: paws are as big as my hand. Like they are big.

537
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: But they're not, no, certainly not, but they are big.

538
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: And I can imagine that if you were suddenly approached

539
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: by a big dog, you know, even if it wasn't

540
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: that big, your mind is going to go, oh my god,

541
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: that's a huge thing, right, You're going to inflate that

542
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: it's bigger, especially if it's acting a way that you're

543
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: not used to it acting. And I also am not,

544
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: I just am not willing to say that it's like

545
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: so unusual. I'm not willing to say that, like a

546
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: wolf is always going to walk up to you. But

547
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: if you are in a ranch and that wolf and

548
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: its family is living on that ranch, that's its territory.

549
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: And also it hasn't been threatened the ranch was it

550
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: was a band at least like for like seven years,

551
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: And you're not like yelling at it and trying to

552
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: get it away. It's not It's probably not. I I

553
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: am not willing to say it like saddled up to

554
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: them and like was friendly. But for a wild animal,

555
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: it may have been friendly. I don't have a hard

556
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: time believing that it's a real wolf, like said they,

557
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: And it happened right after they moved in, and so

558
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: the wolf would probably have had the run of the

559
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: place for years and now suddenly they show up and

560
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: it's curious about them and everything. But but as far

561
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: as as far as the shooting goes, I never I

562
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: don't even know how well documented the shooting was, Like,

563
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't One of the things they talk a lot

564
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: about with this wolf is that they say, like wasn't aggressive,

565
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: but it's it'll stare at you with like really intimidating stare,

566
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: which is not uncommon for an alpha wolf to do.

567
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: If it's big and you're not like actively threatening it,

568
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: it'll look at you like it's angry at you, but

569
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: it's not going to attack you unless you attack it. Yeah.

570
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: The one thing I think one bit of advice is

571
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: if the alpha wolf is staring at you, don't stare

572
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: them down. Back away, like be smart about it. But

573
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that the behavior that's described for this

574
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: bulletproof wolf, I just I have a really hard time

575
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: thinking it's anything other than just a wolf. And one

576
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: of the other things that I think is really interesting,

577
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: actually is that one of the other phenomena they describe

578
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: a lot is these things called the controllers, which just

579
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: sounds like two men talking back and forth. And have

580
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: you guys ever heard wolves howl in the distance, not

581
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: the like of close ones, but far away when it's

582
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: it gets broken up, and it's not the high pitch one,

583
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: the lower pitch one. I'm talking about, kind of like

584
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: two dudes talking in the distance. Yeah, you know, it's

585
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: really really cool to hear two's coyotes off of the

586
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: distance at night. Yeah. Actually, I want to talk about coyotes.

587
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: Can we before we get to the coyote thing, we're

588
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: talking about wolvemore, there's one thing about this. They call

589
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: it the dire wolf, right, the dire wolf. The giant

590
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: is going to call it something else, the giant wolf.

591
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: Here's the one thing that if this wolf is that big,

592
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: there's one thing that I would imagine people would have

593
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: noticed that is never talked about. And I know I've

594
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: brought us back to this subject before scat if a

595
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: dog is this an animal the size of the car

596
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: is gonna make large amounts of excrement there. I mean,

597
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's gonna be Maybe that's what's causing

598
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: the lights. The point is, you would think that there

599
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: would be reports of these random giant turds on the

600
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: red ranches always have lots of turds on them already,

601
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: which is true. But that was the one thing. I

602
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but I was like, you think

603
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: that they would have found, I mean, one of the

604
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: other things. While we're on the subject of wolves and

605
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: like cattle, because the Shermans were ranchers and they bought

606
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: the land to have their cow ranch on, right, raised

607
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: their cattle, and then there were all these reports of

608
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: like cattle are getting mutilated, okay, or wolves are getting them.

609
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: So I looked up into the wolf populations and you know,

610
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: in the eighties and then into the nineties, there was

611
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: these big pushes for re established re establishing packs because

612
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: you know, humans that hunted them nearly into most of

613
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: them into extend ancient there actually wasn't that large of

614
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: a wolf population in the country in general, So this

615
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: area to have that would be extremely unusual. Even today,

616
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: where the packs are bigger than they've been in eighty

617
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: or ninety years, that would still be a very strange

618
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,479
Speaker 1: concentration because those animals are very nomadic. They are though

619
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: the huge range they absolutely do. That's true. Um, there's

620
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: that nice little stretch up through Utah, up kind of

621
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: through the rest of the country Canada, would it it's

622
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: not like solidly wooded. But the thing that didn't really

623
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 1: start happening until the late nineties early two thousand's was

624
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: actual wolf tracking. Like they pretty much tried to round

625
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: up every single alpha male and female and tag them.

626
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: Then they like put collars on them so they can

627
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: track them. That's where we get our seven. For instance,

628
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the wolf that the old in Oregon, but we didn't

629
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: never start tracking that. So it's While it is unlikely

630
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: that there was a quote unquote concentration, it's not bizarre

631
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: to think there was a small pack or even just

632
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: an alpha right with no mate, because they can go

633
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: a long time without having mates. That just was undocumented. Again.

634
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: But my problem is is that they range over huge areas.

635
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 1: This story implies that it lived on this half mile

636
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: square chunk of ground. I don't know for a fair

637
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: amount of time in the course of it that it

638
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: like spent some time there. Yeah. Absolutely, I don't know

639
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: that it like well, but but I'm just saying it.

640
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: It implies that it was very, very localized, when that's

641
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: not the way those creatures were. On the same page

642
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: sighting rate, It's possible that you only see it of

643
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: the year, I mean, a different wolf every time too.

644
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: It's also possible a lot of these cattle desks are

645
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: being caused by coyotes and stuff like that. Yeah, are

646
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: we gonna talk about that? Yeah? Do you want to

647
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: talk about it now? I think we should. Yeah, so

648
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: the cattle death. You have a lot of stuff you

649
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: want to talk about, Well, I do because one of

650
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: the things that I you see this in rural UFO

651
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: stories and see a lot in this one is the

652
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: cattle mutilation. Yeah, and there's a number that that's thrown

653
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: around with Terry Sherman's heard. Well, yeah, that's we're gonna

654
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: talk about that a bit. But the point is people say, well,

655
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: and it was a half hour ago I saw that cow,

656
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: and now it's dead and completely mutilated. Almost Yeah. Well,

657
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I can't remember what kind of cow

658
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 1: he had. But it seems to me there's spotted cows,

659
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: and there's uniform color cows, and it seems like his

660
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: cattle were uniform colored. So that's really hard for me

661
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: to buy because from a disc didn't you can't read

662
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: their tag, so you don't know if it's the same cow. Oh,

663
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. I was confused about that

664
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: train of thought for a second. What you're saying is that,

665
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't be able to tell from a distance

666
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: what cow he was. Was that cow seventy five or

667
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: was that cow fifth? You don't know from a distance,

668
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, to read the tag. I mean those tags big,

669
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: But I see what you're saying. I was just confused

670
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: about why it mattered what kind of cow. Okay, yeah,

671
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: but people say I saw the cow half an hour

672
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: ago and now it's completely mutilated. There's no blood. Well,

673
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: a Utah is very cold in the winter, and so

674
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: the blood isn't gonna blow everywhere when a cow dies,

675
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: unless you know, you get shot. The other thing is,

676
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: if you look up what kind of natural predators in

677
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: the area. Well, there's there's big cats and there's wolves. Okay, well,

678
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna do huge amounts of damage to

679
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: an animal when they get ahold of it. But if

680
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: something dies and smaller things get to it, like coyotes, raccoons, possums, skunks,

681
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: they know an easy meal and that's called a dead animal.

682
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: And what do they go for. They go for the

683
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: softest tissue and what is Unfortunately, it's gonna be the anus,

684
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the genitals, it's gonna be the utter,

685
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the lips or the mouth, and the

686
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: eyes and sometimes maybe the ears, which are all the

687
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: areas that you always here called out as these strange

688
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: areas that were chrysturgically removed. But if you look at

689
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: all these animals, they have very small, sharp teeth and

690
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: they cut in kind of a clean line because they

691
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a terrible thing to imagine, but

692
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: start at the back and burrow your way in. You're

693
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: going to leave a pretty clean hole as you work

694
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: your way through the soft tissue because you're not gonna

695
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: be able to eat the tougher tissue easily. I just

696
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: I really would like to cancel these animals. Just say

697
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: that if you take the trouble to go through the

698
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: cow hide on the hodges of the thing, and there's

699
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: some really awesome steaks there, it's much better. You're gross,

700
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: but that's the soft and easy meal there. There are also,

701
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: I guess it's worth mentioning, um, a fair amount of

702
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: venomous snakes in Utah. Yeah, and it wouldn't be insane

703
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: to think, well, they didn't mean maybe they didn't die

704
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: have natural car causes. Maybe that cow was dumb and

705
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: stepped on that snake and it got bit with venom

706
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: and and cows are stupid. Cows run into things that

707
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: are solid. I don't know if you've ever seen a

708
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: cow run headlong into a salt like a flat wall.

709
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: Not you can see through slats. I'm talking like brick

710
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: wall stone. They'll just head on, run right into it. Yeah,

711
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of too bad. I've heard that the

712
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: original wild cows were a lot smarter, but we've humans

713
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: are pretty much bread everything we've done that. They are

714
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: completely good at making things dumb. Yeah we are. So

715
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: did you have more that you want to talk about

716
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: with that? Well? No, well we'll talk. We're going to

717
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: talk about it's Terry, right, We're gonna talk about Terry

718
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: later on a little bit more, I believe. Yeah, we'll

719
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: save it till then. Okay, great, Okay, so we're done

720
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: talking about the wolf, okay, because we are still talking

721
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: about animals um and have have either of you ever

722
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: heard a fox scream? Yeah? Have ever heard of fox

723
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: make the scared noise? Yeah? They call it Wixen's scream,

724
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: the vixens scream. Do you know what I'm talking about?

725
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: I've never heard it a little. It might be that

726
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: I've heard it and I just thought it was even

727
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: being screaming. I'm gonna pause real quick and we'll listen

728
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 1: to it. So hold on everybody for a second. Okay,

729
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: we're back now. Joe's heard it too. If you haven't

730
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,240
Speaker 1: heard it, go out and like just google fox screaming,

731
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: you'll hear it. They've found a whole lot like human screaming.

732
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: And if I don't know if you've heard the pups

733
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: making that noise, but they sound like babies, Like they

734
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: sound like babies crying, not like when when when, but

735
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: like like a babysit screaming. Yeah, yeah, you know what

736
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: else sounds like babies crying? Fishers, monkeys, peacocks, bobcats, a

737
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: whole mess of other animals. Granted on that list, most

738
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: of those animals don't exist in Utah. I'll give you that.

739
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I'm going to call them guys,

740
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: but peacocks do actually really really sound like babies crying.

741
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I know, there are a

742
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: lot of places in America where people have peacocks on

743
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: their farms, So I don't know, I don't know if

744
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: they are if there are any in that area or not.

745
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: There's really no way to know except for to go there,

746
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,919
Speaker 1: or I guess Joe could call them again or something,

747
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, anybody. Fishers are all there in North America,

748
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: but they're kind of more like our area. And then

749
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: in the Northeast and in Canada, bobcats. They definitely bobcats

750
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: down there, though, So for me, I would it would

751
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: not be a hard stretch to hear fox like screaming

752
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night and mistake that for

753
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: a baby crying. And then, as we know, people don't

754
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: usually recover from like seeing the babies, so it's pretty

755
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: easy for somebody to say, like, oh, do you hear

756
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: that baby crying? Yeah, don't ever, this is what happens.

757
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: So so the the water babies are foxes stressed up

758
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: in this little suits and making noise, isn't then when

759
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: you go down there to pull them out, they grab

760
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: you when they pull you under and they tear your

761
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: throat out. Yeah, or they're just foxes making noises and

762
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: somebody's elaborated on somebody stories, Yeah that baby is going

763
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: to murder you. Yeah. The spotlight, as we kind of

764
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: talked about, there's cosh. Joe just said what the phenomenal was,

765
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: and I can't even what the the mirages, Yeah, the

766
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: mirage thing mirages. Yeah, so I think that's totally possible.

767
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: It's also possible like low flying airplanes, you know. I also,

768
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the only things that really falls

769
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: the category are like the portal and the sentient missed.

770
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm willing to say the mist is probably just some

771
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: freaking missed. I think you're both. The portal I don't

772
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: know about. I don't think that's a real thing. I

773
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's seen it. I think somebody played the

774
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: game portal and was like, oh, that's a good idea

775
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: brown bottle visions or like the mushrooms that grow on

776
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: cattle cow pies. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, people never

777
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: eat mushrooms. I think I've given you this warning before.

778
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: It's just just don't do it. Do it in the

779
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: safety of your own home with a babysitter, and then

780
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: don't start telling people about stuff. No, just just eat

781
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: the mushrooms that are at the salad bar. Those ones

782
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: are deemed safe. All the other ones stay away from him.

783
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: Just don't do it. I don't think somebody hallucinated this stuff.

784
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: I think that somebody ticked what was probably someone at

785
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: the word. I'm thinking aboutpocryphal story that was printed in

786
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: the mid nineties in the Desertrette News and then decided

787
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to grasp so much, so much crap onto this.

788
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to make up so much outrageous stuff and

789
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: just see what I can get away with, Just see

790
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: how much outrageous stuff I can actually, Yeah, I think

791
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: I will do that. And then the last is the

792
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: dark one. I kind of fall either side of this.

793
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: Either somebody totally made it up or I mean, they

794
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: are really close to the reservation right next door. It's

795
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: possible that somebody actually saw an actual Native American man

796
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: and was just like, well, that's weird. I wonder how

797
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: I can twist this into a paranormal story. I think

798
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: I just keep thinking of that. Did you guys watch

799
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: the new episodes of Arrested Development the ones on Netflix. Uh,

800
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,479
Speaker 1: there's a part where one of the characters like thinks

801
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: he sees a vision, but it's like kind of obscured

802
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: by the sun, and it's like just a guy in

803
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: like a peacock suit, just being a jerk. Like that's

804
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: where I always go to with things like this is like,

805
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know what the situation was. Was

806
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: the sun in your eyes where you like drunk, what's

807
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: going on there? It happens, ye, So, but I guess

808
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely willing to say it's all made up.

809
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: I guess the original owners of the land and house.

810
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: You'll see either they like abandoned the property for a

811
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: really really really long time, or they die and then

812
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: abandoned for a couple of years before the Shermans bought it.

813
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: So either of those, I, as with all things real estate,

814
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: I tend to trust Joe, given that he's called for

815
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: like actual sources and stuff like that. But the Shermans,

816
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: Gwen and Terry, you'll see their names be almost everything

817
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: under the sun something Sherman's John Joe, Ry Gorman, Terry Gilman. Yeah, no,

818
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: it's Terry and Gwen Sherman. Those are the actual names

819
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: of the actual owners of the property. They bought the

820
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: house and the property because Terry's cattle business was kind

821
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: of taking off. Can I ask you a question from

822
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: this point forward, what you're about to go over or

823
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: the Sherman's the source? Or is what is Mr Walker

824
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: the guy who did all the writing? Skinner? Damn? It

825
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: is he the source of all of this? As far

826
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: as I can tell, they are the source of all

827
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: of it. It's purported that they reported this, so he

828
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: is the one who provided in writing as their voice.

829
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you got that from them, or

830
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: if you got it from subsequent people, because obviously they

831
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: left to night. I just want to ask, because I

832
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: I just this all is so amazing. Yeah, I'm gonna

833
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: put that glossy coat on it. I wanted to know

834
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: where it came from. Well, it's so the It is

835
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: said that they reported all this stuff. Whether that's true

836
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: or not, I don't know, but we'll ever know. I

837
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: know that I know that they reported at least cattle

838
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 1: mutilations and a few other odd things happening. They reported

839
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 1: seeing lights, they reported seeing UFOs actually not just lights

840
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: but actual actual spaceship. And the reason they gave for

841
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: leaving the house was that they just couldn't sleep well

842
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: and that right, wasn't that I thought that was authenticated?

843
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: Were things that were keeping them up at night and

844
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: that they from the house And yeah, oh, I just

845
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: heard that they had a hard time sleeping and when

846
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: they finally did get to sleep, they would have nightmares,

847
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: and then like the fantastical code of that was like

848
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: shared nightmares. Yeah, but I don't believe that. I do

849
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: believe that probably they mean it's totally legit to say

850
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: like possibly they were, but also possibly some billionaire came

851
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: and was like, here's a bunch of money for They

852
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: were like, I know problem, Yeah, I think that business

853
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: is doing really bad. Take all that money. Well exactly,

854
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: and I think the I think they got out of

855
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: the cattle business because the parcel that they moved to

856
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: is there was only three quarter acres. Yeah, so it's

857
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: not really not not enough to do anything like that.

858
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: And so they probably just sold off the remaining cattle

859
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: that hadn't been you know, hadn't been invistrated by aliens,

860
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: and that moved off to Jensen on the to their

861
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: new smaller parcels. Yeah. So when reportedly from who knows where,

862
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: when the Shermans bought the property, they got to the house,

863
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: I guess they bought it sight unseen. I don't know

864
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: why they didn't see this stuff. I'm not sure if

865
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: that's the case or not either. But by the way,

866
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: we know where they moved from. It was in the area,

867
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: I thought, Yeah, Gwand is actually from the area. She

868
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: was from very close by. Terry was originally from Arizona,

869
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: and he I saw allusions to the fact that he

870
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: had he was in the cattle business before they moved there.

871
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: But somebody. In the description that I read, it was like, oh,

872
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: in his striving cattle business, which I would like, didn't

873
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: understand what that meant. So wait, is this He worked

874
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: on a ranch and had four cows of his own

875
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: and decided he was going to branch out. Because I

876
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys have ever heard this, but

877
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: there's among my my dad's generation this idea of retiring

878
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: and becoming the gentleman farmer or the gentleman rancher. Have

879
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: you ever heard this? I'm going to I'm just going

880
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: to get out of the race, and all I'm gonna

881
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: do is live on the land and raise animals. And

882
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: they'll call me path and they'll they'll call me whatever,

883
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 1: and I'll sit on the porch and I will order

884
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: my ranch minions around and they will do the work,

885
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: and I will be brilliant at it. That's kind of

886
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: what I got the idea this guy might have important.

887
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: The report that I read was like very interesting. It

888
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: was that he had a quote unquote striving cattle business.

889
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: Again I don't understand what that means, but that he

890
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: had some very unusual and like potentially lucrative cattle breeding

891
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: that he had. I don't know what that means. That

892
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: the deepest I ever have seen it gone into I think,

893
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: I know, what do you know? IVF fertilization. IVF really

894
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: was getting big in the nineties in all manner of

895
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: livestock because the technology had finally come along far enough

896
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: that it was cheap and viable. And I remember in

897
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: the nineties suddenly they were talking about the fact that

898
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: the bull was no longer going to exist because instead

899
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: you had a cooler and that was where you got

900
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: everything for for all your halfers. That's pretty handy. But

901
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: you know, interestingly, speaking of that, according to one story

902
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: that I read about the Sherman's um, they had four balls. Yes,

903
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 1: I saw that to have you heard that story? Yeah, yeah,

904
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: that's that's a great one. It's like one day they

905
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: were they were headed off the town, they walked past

906
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: this the shed would had these four bulls pinned up,

907
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: and Terry said to Gwen and said, wow, you know,

908
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: and they they had lost some cattle already. Says to Gwenna, says, well,

909
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: sure nothing happens to our bulls, because I would really

910
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: do us in. And the when they got back from town,

911
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: they looked at the same pan and the bulls were gone.

912
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: But guess where they found them a trailer. All four

913
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: crammed into a trailer. Horse trailer, horse trailer. Yeah, just

914
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 1: all four had been stuffed into trailer. That seems rather paranormal. Yeah,

915
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: stuffing four bulls into a trailer. So okay, So the

916
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: house back to the house they bought again who knows,

917
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: SI unseen maybe not um. But apparently when they arrived

918
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: they found that there were dead bolts everywhere. So it's

919
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: just like everywhere. And I've heard this, dude, I was

920
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: just talking dead bolts. Are you just talking bolts? I

921
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: think no. I think a bolt as in a sliding

922
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: bolt lock, not a dead bult, like you have a

923
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: key dead bolt in your door. Okay, I like bolts better.

924
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: It makes more sense. Um. But apparently, like like everywhere,

925
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: like on every single door, interior and exterior, including kitchen,

926
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: cabinet doors and and everything like that. And also on

927
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: both sides of the doors, not only were they trying

928
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: to sometimes keep things out, but also sometimes they were

929
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: trying to keep things in, which is where. And there's

930
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: a thing about the big steaks. Oh yeah, the giant

931
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: iron steaks that they found on either side of the

932
00:54:55,160 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: house that we're connected to giant metal chains to the

933
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: house they had, goes Er is a pet? Ghostbusters? Or

934
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: where were the dogs from that movie? That's who they had. Okay, yeah,

935
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: so I mean that's weird. If that was real, it's weird.

936
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's real, but if it was, it

937
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: was weird. Yeah. Well, get that that article that they

938
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: were interviewed for. And again I don't know how to

939
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's pronounced desiree or desirette news

940
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: but whatever, but that was a think in nineties six

941
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: and they interviewed the Sherman's for that article, and they

942
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: talked about all the weird stuff that was going on,

943
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: and they also talked about when they bought the house

944
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: and how they had to do a little bit of

945
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 1: remodeling and renovating before they moved in. They didn't mention

946
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: a word about any of that. No, although I don't

947
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: know that I would. I don't know. But if you're

948
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: talking about how weird your life is on this weird,

949
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: weird ranch, when you're seeing weird phenomena and lights and

950
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: UFOs and dead cattle and everything like that, you know,

951
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: you would think you would bring up the fact that

952
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: there were bolts, you know, everywhere in your house. So

953
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a weird thing. So I'm kind

954
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: of so I think somebody might attack this one onto

955
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: the mystery. Yeah, So, as we previously mentioned, UM Bigelow

956
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: utah LLC does own the property now they bought and

957
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: um publicly Bigelow utah LLC is known as the National

958
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: Institute for Discovery Science. It's also owned by Mr Bigelow Um.

959
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: And he bought it because he was very interested and

960
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: still is, I guess, very interested in bringing science to

961
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: the investigation of paranormal activity. Basically, he wants to prove

962
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: scientifically that paranormal stuff happened. So he had heard about

963
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: the stuff that was going on the ranch and thought,

964
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: I will buy that for myself, thank you. And now

965
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: he owns it and like four people I think are

966
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: allowed really on Skinwalker Ranch. It's been like was basically

967
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: shuttered at this point. Yeah, I think it is. Well,

968
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: I just mean like there are investigators that he's hired

969
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: for the NAW few are on site. Yeah, and they

970
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: have they installed cameras everywhere and they said, you know,

971
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: night one of camera installation, they saw stuff, and I've

972
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: seen pictures of this and I don't see anything. Yeah,

973
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: but okay, I from what a little I've been able

974
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: to find out about their findings, and apparently they were

975
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: on that site for years with cameras and everything, and

976
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: there were I guess there was still cattle left there.

977
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: There's I think there's a caretaker living on the ranch,

978
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: and so there was still there was more cattle desks,

979
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: and also some some strange floating lights. And that's the

980
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: only thing that those guys observed, and all those years

981
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: of observation was those two things. All the other stuff

982
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: they didn't see it. And they had cameras everywhere and

983
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: people everywhere, Yeah they did. Yeah. And I just want

984
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: to say one thing about the Sherman's too visit. So

985
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: many strange things were happening. You would think that when

986
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: you left the house to go out in the pasture,

987
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: you would take a camera with you think you would

988
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: think that, or maybe a video recorder, don't you think, Yeah,

989
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: the worst camera you own probably, yeah, because that's always yeah, No,

990
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: I I agree, Yeah, I totally agree with that. There's

991
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: also the matter of the utes or utes. How would

992
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: you write I think utes? I think it's Utes. Yeah,

993
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: they're the predominant tribe in the area. Um. And they

994
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: apparently had identified roughly four hundred of this four hundred

995
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: and four acres or whatever land as a no go

996
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: zone for a really really long time generations generations. Yeah,

997
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: pretty much for as long as they've been in the area. Reportedly,

998
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: they refer to the area as the path of the

999
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: skin Walkers and skin walkers I'm realizing right now we

1000
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: haven't actually said what skin walkers are. Yeah, I'm sorry, Steve.

1001
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: None of us. Skin walkers are shape shifters. Um. Some

1002
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: places you'll see them describe just powerful spirits, but really

1003
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: the original skin walkers are actually, um, do you have

1004
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: a you just took a breath, like you might be

1005
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: able to help me with this lushi. It's a Navajo word,

1006
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: which isn't for a Navajo, which I've actually heard that

1007
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: the Use don't actually have any legend of skin walkers,

1008
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: and that's actually from the like the Hopies or the naval,

1009
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: it's from the Navajo. Yeah. Yeah, well, so there's a

1010
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: lot I'm not going to go too far into the

1011
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: native history of that area, but essentially the Utes and

1012
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: the Navajo were not friends for a really long time

1013
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: they were kind of friends and they weren't. And then

1014
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: the Utes helped the Americans get rid of the Navajos,

1015
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: and then Americans were like, nah, just kidding, screw you.

1016
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: I gave him like a tiny little parcel of land

1017
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: and that was that. Um. But there's some crossover in

1018
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: the sort of area traditions. Hopefully no Navajo are listening

1019
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 1: or are listening right now, given to an extent to

1020
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: which we just you know, mispronounced and misrepresented all of

1021
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: the history that's happened there. The skin walkers were powerful

1022
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: witches who could transform themselves into animals. Um, think about

1023
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: the werewolves and Twilight. Think about it, think about it,

1024
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: think about it. Nope, okay, okay, to see us, yes,

1025
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 1: just just nod. Huh huh. Yeah. So that's that's what

1026
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: a skin walker is. I guess. Yeah, you're welcome everyone.

1027
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: There's been legends about that kind of thing and all

1028
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: kinds of society. It's not just the Indians. I mean,

1029
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, we've got we've got our werewolves and stuff

1030
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. And speaking of the Utes, there is

1031
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: on the reservation, they've got this little newspaper called the

1032
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: Bulletin so I called them. I was going to I did.

1033
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: I did call them, did you actually I did. Unfortunately

1034
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think to call them until just today. They

1035
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: haven't called me back. I got a beat the you Bolton,

1036
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: which is a small, little dinky newspaper on the reservation,

1037
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: and I talked to a guy whose name I can't

1038
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: remember now, but I actually expan. I didn't talk to him.

1039
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: I got his voicemail and I left him a message

1040
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: and uh, and I said, I said, hey, you know

1041
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: and sell the mystery podcast and skin Walker Ranch. And

1042
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: then I said, um, legend has it that the utes

1043
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: are really really terrified at the ranch, And I was

1044
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: wondering if you could just let me know if that's

1045
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: true or not. So we may just like record a

1046
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: little add onto this we may never hear from kind

1047
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: of hoping we never hear from them. Well, yeah, because

1048
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: I think that what the voicemail we're going to get

1049
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Speaker 1: back is is just laughter. Yeah, I think so, I wife, yea.

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01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: I wish I had thought about this earlier, because it

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01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: would have you know, if I called him last week,

1052
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: maybe I would have a call back by now. But

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01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: you called way more places than I did. I didn't

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01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: even think to call places. So, yeah, it's just that

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: they're they're right over in Utah. You know, it's not

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01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: that far away, you know, And I just that it

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01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: would be interesting. I actually had an idea that I

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01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: tracked down the names of some of the immediate neighbors

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01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: of the ranch. But it's really really hard these days

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01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: to get a phone number. It's obscenely hard. Yeah. You know,

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01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: do you find all these sites that has that have

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01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: these guys for money. Yeah, as you click on the

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01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: phone where it's really annoying, and so it sounds as

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Speaker 1: if it's a membership. It's every freaking phone number. This

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01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: is why private private investigators are so expensive. Yeah, do

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01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: you guys want to talk about theories? Oh please, let's yeah. Okay,

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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: the theories are in bullport form, bullet point form. You're ready.

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01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: It's all real, Okay. I'm buying that none of it

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01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: is real. I'm buying that some of it's real and

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01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: some of it isn't. Pretty much covered the basis. Yeah,

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01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: those are those are the theories. Yeah, I think, yeah,

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01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: that's about it. Float. I think the parts that are

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01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: real are the dead cattle and the floating lights that

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: probably happened that's about it. So can I bring up

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01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: something about the story that I couldn't ever pin down

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: until I I couldn't figure out from the retellings what

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: was going on until I actually looked into the real

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01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: math of what happens with livestock. Okay, numbers into this.

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Speaker 1: I know Terry, it's Terry. No, Terry's the wife, thank you.

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01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: Terry's a guy in a girl's name. I getting confused. Garrett.

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01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 1: Terry come, you know, makes these reports that he has

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01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: a herd of eighty head of cattle. Now, as Joe

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01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: and I had talked about, there is this possibility that

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01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: forehead were bulls, but we're going to ignore that. That

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01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: means that he because he's in a breeding operation. He

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01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: has all halfers. They're breeding cows, so he is in

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01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 1: the business of making new cows. Doesn't sound like he

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01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: had a big operation to start with, and I questioned

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01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: his ability to raise that much, that that big of

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01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: a herd, because, like I said, I think he had

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01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: a very small herd to begin with, and then he

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: tried to expand quite rapidly as ranches go. As pretty

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01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: small it is, it's about a half mile square. It's

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01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: not a huge area. But it is when you consider

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01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: that he might have had a couple hundred yards square

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01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: to keep cows on because people do that and you

1097
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: just feed him. But if he's letting him free range.

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01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: But my point is he was also into these what

1099
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: was what was the phrase that you you used your

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: you saw to describe it devon his practice revolutionary breeding. Okay,

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01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: so he is into trying to breed as many cows

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01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: as possible, and he's probably trying to uh get impregnant

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01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: every one of the heifer's acceptable normal law is of

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01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: livestock from still birth to post weening is three to

1105
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: seven percent. That means that three to seven of the

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: animals that are born are either gonna be born dead

1107
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: or going to die before they're weaned off. Okay, eighty

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01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: had a cattle in a year, that equates to I

1109
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: don't know, about two to five cats in a year.

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01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: He says that in the two years he lost, about

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01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: sixteen had a cattle, which means that possibly at least

1112
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: half of what he lost was just normal death due

1113
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:50,959
Speaker 1: to the fact that animals die absolutely. And then there's

1114
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: of course, you know, there's again there's predators, predators, Yes, uh,

1115
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 1: cows are stupid and they fall into ravines and die

1116
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: and or they just you know, I mean, I've I've

1117
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: seen this. Cows they step, they put their feet between

1118
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: two rocks and then they move the wrong way and

1119
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: they break their leg and they fall down. And because

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01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: their cows and they can't yell for help, nobody comes

1121
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: to help them. They just die and then something eats them. So, like,

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01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand, sixteen head in two years out

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01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 1: of eighty head is kind of a big and that's

1124
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: about ten percent a year loss from just natural predation.

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01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: But when you add in the fact that he's probably

1126
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: losing head because of the fact that, you know, young

1127
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: animals just naturally die, it's not such a crazy number.

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Speaker 1: But that's what I love about this story is that

1129
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: on the Internet they constantly say, and in two years

1130
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: he lost this many cattle, Like, it's not really that

1131
01:06:56,040 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: man like you right off cattle because animals die. Yeah,

1132
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: I think that he wasn't a sheep farmer. Those things

1133
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: die faster than cows. Yeah, And again, I think he

1134
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: tried this and he maybe found out that it wasn't

1135
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: that profitable, and maybe he found out that it was

1136
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: just a lot of work. And they didn't really like

1137
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: it that much. Yeah, have you ever seen how you

1138
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 1: have to artificially inseminate a a heifer? I don't even

1139
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: want to think. It's not a pleasant thing. It's really gross.

1140
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: So he may have realized that that was not the

1141
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: way he wanted to do business. Yeah, I think that's

1142
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 1: it's It's entirely possible. A lot of people, like you know,

1143
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 1: would even fantasize about being ranchers and then actually tried

1144
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: to discover that it sucks, it's a lot more work

1145
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: than you think. And then, luckily for you in your

1146
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: particular case, a billionaire shows up at your doorstep with

1147
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: a big fat check. It buys you out. That's my

1148
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 1: whole thing. Like, I'm I'm totally on the side of

1149
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: this is completely fake, and I mean I'm on this

1150
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: side normally with these kind of stories. But I just

1151
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: gotta wonder where, at what point did this family say, dude,

1152
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: this blows. What do we do and then suddenly just say,

1153
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: you know what, screw We're just gonna tell everybody what

1154
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: they wanted to hear anyway and let it just get

1155
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: out of hand. I just wonder where and when that

1156
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: happened to them because you never hear you can can't

1157
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: talk to him, nobody will will ever interview. Now it

1158
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. So it's just it's one of those things.

1159
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: Breaking wonder they maybe just deliberately put the reports out

1160
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: to attract some attention, and maybe, you know, bring I

1161
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: think that they might have done it initially just to

1162
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: screw with the locals, because these people are dumb and

1163
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: they're talking about these all these stories from the seventies

1164
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: and the eighties and not realizing how much traction that

1165
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: was going to gain, and then just you know, we'll

1166
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: we'll just keep having fun with it, and we'll keep

1167
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: making bigger and taller tales, and then all of the

1168
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: sudden it's you know, it's like these idiots who write

1169
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: these books and they say that their true life books

1170
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: and it turns out their total farces. Yeah. I don't

1171
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't really think the Sherman's made up all that stuff.

1172
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: I think I mean, obviously they're on. I think they

1173
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: made up a fair amount that was the seed for

1174
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: this whole story. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, definitely, And uh,

1175
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, they told a fair number of of you know,

1176
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: strange lights in the sky and not just strange lights,

1177
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: but actually seeing actual, honest to god uf bows, not

1178
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: just a light, but an actual, an actual little ship.

1179
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: And right there that the actual ship part. I know

1180
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 1: that they are very they're not very creative because it

1181
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: was an RV. Yeah, one of the space ships was

1182
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: an RV. They said it looked like an RV, that

1183
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: they were sure it was an RV, that it lifted

1184
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: off of the ground and just cruised away, and it

1185
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: had that what was that was that RV brand that

1186
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: the the one that had the kangaroo on the side

1187
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: and the brown and yellow stripes to either of you

1188
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: remember that, Like, I totally expect that from spaceballs. It

1189
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: makes me think the one for spaceballs. That's what they saw. Yeah. Yeah,

1190
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: but so yeah, they reported some UFO activity and stuff

1191
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: like that, but nothing like you know, no portals, uh

1192
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: no bulletproof wolf. Yeah. No. I think there's a lot

1193
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: of additions that have happened to the story. Many many

1194
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,080
Speaker 1: people out there, and you know in internet land who

1195
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 1: are just happy to graft all kuyds of you know,

1196
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: incredible bs a story. As we have seen with many

1197
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: of the stories that we've put out and then correspondence,

1198
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: we've gotten back about them. We see this, Yeah, we do,

1199
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: so I'm pretty happy with this speaking correspondence. Let's give

1200
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,360
Speaker 1: them how to get hold of yeah for real. So

1201
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,680
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Speaker 1: of that having been said, I think we're gonna skin

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Speaker 1: walk out of here. Really, I'm gonna float out of here,

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Speaker 1: skin walk. I'm going to turn into a wolf right now. Okay, whatever, everybody,

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