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Speaker 1: The One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we'd be on a Friday, Chris Brown,

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Speaker 2: Steve tasking with you.

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Speaker 3: One Bill's Live is the show. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 3: this afternoon, and it's it's that time.

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Speaker 2: This is a ghost town here, Steve. The two of

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Speaker 2: us here in the studio, the five people in our

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Speaker 2: control room, and maybe about self, a dozen people in

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Speaker 2: the ticket office, and a smattering of people upstairs are

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Speaker 2: the only souls in the building.

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Speaker 4: I swear to you, I saw a tumbleweed tumbling across

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Speaker 4: the practice field. It's a ghost town over here. It's

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Speaker 4: that time. This is these are the these are the

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Speaker 4: dark days of the NFL. This is the off season.

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Speaker 4: The next week, the next three weeks, Yeah you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean basically.

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Speaker 3: July fourth week is kind of the zenith of that

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Speaker 3: dark period.

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's when the lights go out in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: There's we're here. Yeah, there's two seasons. It's like I was.

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Speaker 4: I used to joke about Buffalo because I used to

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Speaker 4: I used to make fun of Buffalo wherever I went

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Speaker 4: because I didn't want anybody moving here because it's perfect

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Speaker 4: the way it is, right, So I would always jump

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Speaker 4: on the bandwagon. I would say, you know, Buffalo only

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Speaker 4: has two seasons. It's winter and the fourth of July,

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Speaker 4: same thing as the NFL. It's football season and the

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Speaker 4: fourth then it is the fourth of July. That's the

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Speaker 4: two seasons. And that's and we commemorate that ourselves. That

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Speaker 4: is right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So get your free time in now, right, that

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Speaker 2: is pretty much the edict from now until July twenty second.

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Speaker 3: That's the window we're we're and listen.

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Speaker 4: I know people are like, okay, so yeah, it's quiet

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Speaker 4: over listen. That is it. Once that season kicks. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you have to like plan months in advance if you

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Speaker 4: want to take a day off because it is all

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Speaker 4: hands on deck. We were back and forth between here

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Speaker 4: Rochester every day. Then you're you know you're doing there.

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Speaker 4: You know, you're radio games, I'm doing the TV games.

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Speaker 4: In the preseason, we're like, up you, we're neck deep

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Speaker 4: in it right away.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's dive in and oh here we go.

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Speaker 4: And it's you and you and I stand out there

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Speaker 4: at practicing training camp and there's like six million things

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Speaker 4: going on, man oh man.

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Speaker 3: And we only have two eyes.

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Speaker 4: Let's go yeah, because I don't you know, because I

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Speaker 4: don't watch and you have two oh I see two

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Speaker 4: sets of eyes you two?

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Speaker 3: Is you son? And and too many people pulling at check.

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Speaker 4: Hey, nobody asking for my autograph. The only people that

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Speaker 4: recognize me are employees.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true.

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Speaker 2: Uh, we do have to go around the NFL. Here

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Speaker 2: at the outset, but a reminder that it is obl

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Speaker 2: fan Friday mail Bag, which means any question you have

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Speaker 2: in mind is fair game. So you can hit us

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Speaker 2: up on the phone lines at eight oh three oh

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Speaker 2: five fifty. So if you want to get on board,

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Speaker 2: there are open lines for you. But around the NFL

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Speaker 2: presented by Kalida Healthy, official health care system of the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills and the Super Bowl champion, Kansas City Chief

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Speaker 2: Steve got their championship rings in a pomp and circumstance

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Speaker 2: ceremony Thursday night, complete with a red carpet and everything.

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Speaker 2: The championship rings, just for stat purposes, have five hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty nine diamonds, thirty eight rubies, and fourteen point

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Speaker 2: eight carrots in gems and like each yeah and in

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Speaker 2: like many of the newer championship rings, it hinges open

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Speaker 2: at the top to reveal a football field inside. The

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Speaker 2: offensive play called Tom and Jerry that they ran in

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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl is also diagrammed on the underside of

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Speaker 2: the top of the ring, and like many of the

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Speaker 2: modern championship rings, they are gargantuan.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even on big hands.

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Speaker 2: Like the players have, it looks like they're wearing a

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Speaker 2: bedazzled hockey puck on their fingers.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's literally a doorknob.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's ridiculous. Now. Pro Football Talk also uncovered this.

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Speaker 2: There is an error on the ring, so on the

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Speaker 2: inside they have the rundown of their playoff run and

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Speaker 2: the opponents. They wanted that in there because supposedly it

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Speaker 2: was the most difficult run to the Super Bowl by

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Speaker 2: any playoff team ever, because if you remember, they beat

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Speaker 2: and then obviously they beat the number two seeded Bills

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Speaker 2: in the first round. Unfortunately, they listed the Miami Dolphins

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Speaker 2: on the inside of the ring as the seventh seed.

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Speaker 2: They were not the seventh seed. They were the sixth seed.

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Speaker 2: The Bills played the seventh seed here in Buffalo Pittsburgh. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so all the rings you are wrong. They actually sold

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Speaker 2: themselves short. They played a higher seeded team than they

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Speaker 2: listed there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the whoops.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've all fallen. Look.

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Speaker 2: Having written for Buffalo Bills dot Com for eighteen years,

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Speaker 2: I've had my fair share of typos, so I can relate.

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Speaker 2: But on a ring that's about as permanent as it gets.

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Speaker 2: I mean, at least I can go in and edit

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Speaker 2: something on.

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Speaker 4: A page like a tattoo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Ouch, can we buff that out?

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Speaker 4: Naked?

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Speaker 3: A six?

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Speaker 3: How easy is it to make a seven of six?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? But well, beautiful ring though. Congratulations with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: I will say they incorporated their team colors into it

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Speaker 2: very well.

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Speaker 4: I'll say this. I mean, you know, hey, that's their ring.

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Speaker 4: Good for them. I mean they're listen, they're back to

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Speaker 4: back champions three out of the last five years. They've

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Speaker 4: done it. There there were, you know, and the Bills

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Speaker 4: beaten them more than any other team in that stretch.

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Speaker 3: In the regular season, the regular season, So.

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Speaker 4: You know you, Hey, let's take another shot out of

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Speaker 4: it this year. I'm not ducking it. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Somebody is rolling in the dough today, and his name

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Speaker 2: is Trevor Lawrence, the latest quarterback to enter the fifty

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Speaker 2: Burrows league leading five year, two hundred and seventy five

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, Steve. I think there's a couple

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Speaker 2: of ways you can slice this thing. Here's here's my issue, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Graziano as saying, if you believe you can win a

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Speaker 3: Much you're going to fork over.

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Speaker 2: You're Jaguars GM, Trent Balke, Steve, do you believe you

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Speaker 2: can win the whole thing with Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 4: I think you gotta I think, yeah, you gotta think.

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Speaker 3: That he's twenty four years old.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it. I've had a.

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Speaker 2: Down year last year right now and had a true

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Speaker 2: Evan Ingram caught one hundred and fourteen balls last year.

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Speaker 3: He missed five games. Yeah, kind of hobbled through the

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Speaker 2: So that's a contributing factor to his down season in

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Speaker 2: terms of numbers. But this one surprised me.

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Speaker 3: Steve. He has sixty turnovers in his first three seasons.

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Speaker 3: It's more than Josh had in his first year.

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Speaker 4: So he puts Josh in second place in turnovers. You

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Speaker 4: Mahomes is third. So yeah, I mean that you gotta

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Speaker 4: put the ball over the turnovers. Don't bother me with

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Speaker 4: it's a plot. When they don't turn it over, it's

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Speaker 4: all enormous. But you gotta have turnovers. If you're gonna

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Speaker 4: it's just gonna happen. But yet you've gotta have It's

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Speaker 4: the voices in the in the room going, yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this though, Trevor Lawrence just completed

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Speaker 3: Why do they have to do it now? Yeah, that

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Speaker 3: he's got another year on his rookie deal. Like, if

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Speaker 3: seem more to be convinced, why couldn't you have done

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Speaker 3: Why couldn't you have done what the Dolphins did? Yes,

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Speaker 3: Dolphins waited. Now they're gonna be paying more to.

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Speaker 4: Is not the same conversation as Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: To me, No, but statistically he's been better.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 3: I get led the league in passing.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I get all that, But that's the same thing.

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Speaker 4: You look back at the last fifty starts of Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 4: you know who, He's exactly like Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 3: They are identical, same record.

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Speaker 4: Now, nobody who has half a brain will tell you

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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones is Trevor Lawrence. Ninety nine people out of

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Speaker 4: is Daniel Jones' mom. They all take Trevor.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: So that's why you know, it's a tough comparison to make.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: The numbers are the numbers, and look, you can make

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Speaker 2: the numbers say whatever you want if you pick certain

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Speaker 2: numbers during a certain stretch of each of these players' careers.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, their records are identical. They're both twenty and thirty,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I know people are like, well, Trevor

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Speaker 2: Lawrence won a playoff game and he did it in

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Speaker 2: unbelievable comeback fashion. Do you want to know why they

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Speaker 2: were down twenty seven to three because Trevor law aren't

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Speaker 2: through four interceptions right against the Chargers. So I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: great that you beat the Chargers, you know, right, who

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Speaker 2: haven't done much of anything for eons. Maybe that's different

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Speaker 2: why they couldn't have waited. I mean, sure, are you

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Speaker 2: this time if you wait this whole year and he

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Speaker 2: knocks it out of the park, Yes, but he hasn't.

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Speaker 3: Knocked it out of the park. You paid him top

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Speaker 3: of the market money anyway.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, think about it though, you're in the building. You

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Speaker 4: ended up the season. Yeah, so you're thinking, you know,

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Speaker 3: They are, uh, just for fun. Here are Jacksonville's first

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Speaker 4: We're really not that good and it's gonna come back

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Speaker 4: that's the guy is Jordan love Tua. Nobody's standing in

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Speaker 2: They're gonna have to sign him though, oh yeah, and

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Speaker 2: the guy led the league in passing last year. How

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Speaker 4: You have to. I'll tell you what I do, because

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Speaker 4: I franchise, I don't sign him. I franchise him.

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Speaker 3: Well, that that window passed. You can't franchise him, now.

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Speaker 4: What can I say? They're dummies. They should have franchised him,

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm telling you right now, he's gonna sign for

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Speaker 4: Listen. Bill's fans should hope they do. Oh yeah, Josh

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Speaker 3: They're a buggaboo.

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Speaker 4: But I'm telling you the Bill's mafia would say, yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: The Dolphins did have a signing yesterday, it just wasn't Tua.

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Speaker 3: We'll lead off today with Carl in Connecticut.

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Speaker 5: What's up, Carl, Hey, guys, good afternoon. Yeah, I'm just

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Speaker 5: a little bit more pocket trying to get rid of it. Okay,

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Speaker 5: let jospy Josh. The second half, that's who he is.

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Speaker 5: of last year, you know, he gotta do what you

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Speaker 5: gotta do. And I just again, it's like supplying the

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Speaker 5: man who's out there. It would have been nice to

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Speaker 5: maybe get Odell Beckham Junior. I don't know, but until

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Speaker 5: we get and I get what they're working with now,

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Speaker 5: and it's we'll see where that goes. It's a transition

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Speaker 5: and who knows, it could work great. But I feel like,

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Speaker 5: if geez, if we had like the receivers like Miami

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Speaker 5: does the Bengals, there would be a whole other conversation.

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Speaker 5: Obviously to no brainer, But then again, who knows what

447
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Speaker 5: we'd be talking about is things caught that ball that

448
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Speaker 5: he could have cocked against Kansas City. So that's all

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Speaker 5: I got to say. And uh, yeah, I'm looking forward

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Speaker 5: to the season and seeing work on as a pink

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Speaker 5: aid and a few other other receivers we picked up.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for your time. Then, yeah, hey, don't I want

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Speaker 5: to listen because it's not the way I'm a yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: no problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you're referring initially to the

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Speaker 2: topic we had the other day, which was what's next

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Speaker 2: for Josh Allen in year seven. I was of the

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Speaker 2: opinion that Josh has to become more of a facilitator

459
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Speaker 2: and raise the level of play of the players around

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Speaker 2: him and not always and at least developed some measure

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Speaker 2: of trust that it doesn't have to be all on

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Speaker 2: him all the time. Sure, there are going to be

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Speaker 2: instances that arise where where Joe Brady's gonna say it's

464
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Speaker 2: you seventeen, make it happen, and we saw that down

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Speaker 2: the stretch at times last season. To your point, Carl,

466
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Speaker 2: but let's not forget this either. Under Joe Brady Week

467
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Speaker 2: twelve to eighteen, which is basically from the Eagles game

468
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Speaker 2: to the Dolphins game, Bills were fifty two percent run,

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Speaker 2: forty eight percent pass. And I realize Josh is a

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Speaker 2: part of that because he ran the ball into the

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Speaker 2: end zone a great deal. What did he have fifteen

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Speaker 2: rushing touchdowns last year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know why was that?

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Speaker 2: Was that because a we found out the other day

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Speaker 2: Josh had pain and his elbow and his shoulder. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you run it more, take the throwing load off of Josh,

477
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Speaker 2: or maybe it was Hey, the passing game isn't consistent enough.

478
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Speaker 2: Diggs is slowing down and not giving us what he

479
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Speaker 2: gave us in the first half of the season, gave

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Speaker 2: Davis's a wall every other week to don't even get

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Speaker 2: a target right, and we're leaning on Kincaid and Shakir

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Speaker 2: to carry us in the passing game. We don't think

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Speaker 2: that's enough. Let's use James Cook and run the damn ball.

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Speaker 2: And that's what they did to me. I think it

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Speaker 2: was an example of trying to triage the offense. I

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Speaker 2: think they will get back to throwing it more here

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Speaker 2: at the start of the season. To what degree, though,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, because they don't know what they have yet.

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Speaker 4: Right receiver they're gonna their office is gonna look like

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Speaker 4: the skill sets they have at the weapons given to Josh.

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Speaker 4: That's what the offense is gonna look like. They're gonna

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Speaker 4: have a solid, very talented, big athletic offensive line that

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Speaker 4: leads to the that leads logically to a point where

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Speaker 4: you think they're gonna be able to run it whenever

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Speaker 4: they want and maybe even when the other team knows

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Speaker 4: they're gonna run it. So that would you would think

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Speaker 4: that would be an option that's on the table now.

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Speaker 4: Certainly it's a throwing league, So don't think they're gonna

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Speaker 4: run the ball sixty five percent of the time and

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Speaker 4: throw at thirty five. That's not gonna happen. But we

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Speaker 4: don't know what Keon Coleman or Curtis Samuel or Khalil

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Speaker 4: Shakiro even is gonna look like every down. I think

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Speaker 4: Khalil is gonna pick up right where he left off

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Speaker 4: last off last season, because listen, Khalil thrived under Joe

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Speaker 4: Brady's offensive coordination. I would expect them to start there

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Speaker 4: and go from there. Same thing with Kinkaid. Kinkaid evolved

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Speaker 4: to the spot where he's at right now. Uh and

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Speaker 4: he was like eighth in the league in targets, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean eighth in the league.

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Speaker 3: And tight end receptions. The only with more targets on

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Speaker 3: the roster was Diggs and he's not here anymore.

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Speaker 4: And listen, kin Kaid got off to a really slow

513
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Speaker 4: start last season because he was a rookie. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're giving him a minute, and they had a guy,

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Speaker 4: and they had a really trusted starting tight end and

516
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Speaker 4: Dawson Knox, so Kinkaid had to earn every opportunity and

517
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Speaker 4: he never disappointed. So those two guys are gonna change.

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Speaker 4: Those two guys automatically change the way the offense looked

519
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Speaker 4: because Khalil Shakir is a slot guy. So if you're

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Speaker 4: gonna have a tight end and a slot guy being

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Speaker 4: their top target getters, which they very mel very well, may,

522
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Speaker 4: your offense is gonna be a quick release timing offense

523
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Speaker 4: is gonna get You're gonna be thrown between the numbers.

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Speaker 4: The ball is gonna be out of Josh's hands, and

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Speaker 4: defenses are gonna have to adapt to that. So I

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Speaker 4: don't think there's any way you're gonna we're gonna know

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Speaker 4: what this. I don't think any defense is gonna know

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Speaker 4: what this offense looks like until you understand they get

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Speaker 4: a chance to see what the those weapons are, how

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Speaker 4: they're being used. What really do these new receivers for

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Speaker 4: the Bills look like? What can they do? I mean,

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Speaker 4: Curtis Samuel's been playing with bad quarterbacks for his whole career.

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Speaker 4: He had I mean, he had the last year or

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Speaker 4: two of Cam Newton and we and listen, we all

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Speaker 4: remember what Cam was like at the end he was

536
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Speaker 4: shot putting it.

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Speaker 3: And so then he had Teddy Bridgewater.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I had a list of the quarterbacks,

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Speaker 4: Taylor Heineke good. Great. The guy's never had a quarterback

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Speaker 4: throwing to him that was in the prime of his career.

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Speaker 4: He does. Now, what's that going to look like? Nobody

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Speaker 4: knows what's gonna look like with Keon Coleman on a

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Speaker 4: field with Dalton Kin Kaid and Khalil Shakir and James Cook.

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Speaker 4: We don't know, but that's what your offense is gonna

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Speaker 4: look like when you get the sense of what those

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Speaker 4: skill positions bring to the table, all those guys and

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Speaker 4: what they do and do well, and how far Josh

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Speaker 4: can stretch the field and the team. The receivers can

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Speaker 4: stretch the field, and you know Josh can reach every

550
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Speaker 4: corner of it. That's gonna put some pressure. I've been

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Speaker 4: saying it even since Diggs and Davis left and we

552
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Speaker 4: didn't know who Keon Coleman was. They're gonna score points.

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Speaker 4: Josh that quarterback like Josh, You're gonna score points. You're

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Speaker 4: gonna score they just are. They're just gonna be that good.

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Speaker 4: So you can Josh cut down in his turnovers. You

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Speaker 4: talk to the analytics people and they say he shouldn't

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Speaker 4: have turned it over as much as he did last year.

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Speaker 4: He got bad luck. He only had half as many

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Speaker 4: turnover worthy plays as he did turnovers. So all of

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Speaker 4: this stuff goes into the mix. I think it's really

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Speaker 4: interesting to think about. I am very high on what

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Speaker 4: this offense is gonna do, mostly because of Josh and

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Speaker 4: the guys up front and the guys that are left

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Speaker 4: over with Kincaid and Shakir. There's no reason to think

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Speaker 4: this offense is going to take a step back. I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't. It'll look different, it may be perceived differently,

567
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Speaker 4: but it's gonna score They're gonna score points. They're gonna

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Speaker 4: win a lot of games.

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Speaker 2: We gotta take a break here, but more of your

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Speaker 2: phone calls when we return. We'll lead off with Patrick

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Speaker 2: we go and to Patrick in Rochester.

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Speaker 7: What's up Patrick, Good afternoon, everybody, how's it going?

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 4: Good good.

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to talk about and lend some positivity

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Speaker 7: to the defensive line. I think the defensive line is

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00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 7: going to shock a lot of Bills fans that aren't

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Speaker 7: aware of what happened is that we resigned AJ. Huge move.

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Speaker 7: Look out for a group contract in coming.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 7: Both of them had a little bit of injuries. Group

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Speaker 7: played through a broken foot. AJ had some other like

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Speaker 7: little nagging things, but both of them produced. AJ I

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Speaker 7: think led the league in. But blocker your tipped passes

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Speaker 7: and go looking across the front of the starters, it's

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Speaker 7: like Edd Kwan, Greg and AJ. That is a mean,

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Speaker 7: mean me front. And you see them on first and second.

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Speaker 7: Bring in the specialists on third, like you get like

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 7: a NASCAR kind of package, and you get all the speechers,

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Speaker 7: you get a Solomon who's going to be learning from Miller,

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Speaker 7: and if we get anything back to the Vaughan of

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Speaker 7: old also, you know, having a real backup one technique

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Speaker 7: with actual size and experience, I think it's going to

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Speaker 7: be I think the line's just going to shock people.

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Speaker 7: Oh not, you know, to go with what Steve was saying,

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Speaker 7: you can't ignore Carter Carter's He's a leader, multiple multiple captain,

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Speaker 7: and I know I can't wait for training camp, so

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Speaker 7: I'm very excited.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh no, that's a valid point. And the D

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Speaker 2: line hasn't gotten a lot of attention Patrick, so I

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Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, Austin Johnson is a very viable backup

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Speaker 2: one technique you know, to day Kwon Jones. Those two

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Speaker 2: guys are actually college teammates at Penn State. I think

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Speaker 2: they even played a year or two together in Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: so teammates once again. I mean, Austin Johnson would probably

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Speaker 2: start for ten other teams in the NFL. This guy's

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Speaker 2: rolling in as the backup to Daikon and then yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think Dwayne Carter's got a chance to be at

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Speaker 2: Oliver's rotational backup as well at the three technique spot.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you've Brandon.

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Speaker 2: Bean has done a good job of refortifying the defensive

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Speaker 2: interior after losing Jordan Phillips, Pooniford, Lynn Vall, Joseph and

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Speaker 2: Tim Settle all in one offseason. They all had expiring

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Speaker 2: contracts and he restocked the shed.

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Speaker 4: Right, I'm with you, we haven't seen it, but certainly

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Speaker 4: I think the Bills. I think the coaching staff and

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Speaker 4: certainly the front office feel really good about the quality

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Speaker 4: of the guys they signed. AJ. You're right, Aj and

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Speaker 4: Rousseau's it seems to Brownie and I think, may I

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Speaker 4: don't want to speak for Brownie, but it seems like

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Speaker 4: they're playing better than their statistics are showing us. And

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Speaker 4: those of us who follow the team really closely have

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Speaker 4: seen these guys grow and get better. And you know,

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Speaker 4: who knows, Patrick from Rochester might be right. They might

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Speaker 4: be on the cusp of this, you know, this breakthrough season.

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Speaker 4: They might be. But even if they just grow one

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Speaker 4: more increment in what they have already done, sooner or later,

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Speaker 4: the statistics are going to show you what quality of

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Speaker 4: play they've done. Greg Russeau is an excellent run defender.

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Speaker 4: He's always been good right from the jump. He was

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Speaker 4: good at set in the edge. He plays with great

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Speaker 4: leverage for as tall as he is. Aj Epanza has

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Speaker 4: been steadily growing, and certainly when they bring Vaughn in,

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Speaker 4: AJ took a step bay. I mean, he wasn't gonna

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Speaker 4: get reps if Vaughn was here, and he started has

654
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: started to do that. Now with Vaughn's injury and Vaughn

655
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Speaker 4: working back into it. The guy that I've saw in

656
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Speaker 4: many camp Now, Solomon may be one of these guys

657
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 4: that shows up in shorts and then disappears when the

658
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 4: pads come on, but he showed up in this mini camp.

659
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 4: There's something there. I mean, I'm, I'm you can see

660
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: why they were so interested in him. So yeah, there's

661
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 4: a lot of things we don't know, but there's a

662
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 4: lot of things that say, hey, this could be really

663
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 4: good if if everything spins the right way, and not

664
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 4: even everything, if just one or two things spin the

665
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 4: right way, this group is going to be a real

666
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 4: contributing force for this defense. I'm kind of with Patrick,

667
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: I'd like to see it first, but you certainly know,

668
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: you can certainly see the optimism the Bill's front office

669
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: has and the coaching staff.

670
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Right, and I think you could say the same, although

671
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: it's considerably more proven. But the offensive line is going

672
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: to be every bit as good as it was last year,

673
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: potentially better. You know, if Connor mcgovernn really takes that

674
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 2: center job and runs with it. You know what David

675
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: Edwards can do in McGovern's absence at left guard, And

676
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: there are some interesting depth pieces that they have on

677
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: the offensive front as well, whether it's Lyle Collins, a

678
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: seven year starter, a tackle who can play tackle or guard.

679
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: And then you've got Ryan Van Dermark, who was the

680
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 2: team's third tackle last year. You have Alec Anderson, who

681
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 2: has been being groooned for a center guard swing role

682
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: and is probably the reason they traded Ryan Bates last

683
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: offseason or this past offseason. So and then you got

684
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: young guys in the pipeline like Rick Richard Garage who

685
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: was on the practice squad last year and as a

686
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: tackle prospect. And then you drafted the two guys late

687
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: Tyland Grable and the international player Travis Clayton.

688
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Speaker 3: So I mean there are.

689
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Speaker 2: A lot of options there, not to mention Will Clapp,

690
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: who was the veteran that they signed away from the

691
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: Chargers as a potential backup center option, you know, with

692
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: plenty of starts in the league. So Brandon Bean always

693
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: says it he likes to establish depth on the line,

694
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Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage, and he did it on

695
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. He had a little more

696
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 2: work to do on the defensive side, admittedly, and use

697
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: the draft more on the offensive side, but you know,

698
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: there it is when the draft's over, he's drafted two

699
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Speaker 2: offensive linemen and a defensive town and an edge rusher

700
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: and an edge So two and two.

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Speaker 4: They we talk about. I love the philosophy, and I

702
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 4: don't know if that it is. I'm just my observations

703
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 4: tell me that they think about it. They get big

704
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 4: dudes every year that have potential high ceiling. I've got

705
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 4: it written on our whiteboard. The Bills draft traits now.

706
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: They certainly do that at the top of the draft,

707
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: and at the back of the draft they try to

708
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Speaker 4: do that as well, although they look at other things

709
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 4: like how many times have you been a captain? How

710
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: many you know? Are you that kind of stuff? Are

711
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 4: you a leader? Are you a leader? Are you playing

712
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 4: for the right reasons? All of that stuff goes into

713
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: the mix that we'll never know about. But this is

714
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Speaker 4: I love the fact that since two thousand and nineteen,

715
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 4: eighteen or nineteen, the Bills have never have tried to

716
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: never leave Josh Allen without a big time offensive line

717
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: up front of him. They've always went out and got

718
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: guys either Wiley veteran free agent who had some football

719
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: left in him, or draft guys Spencer Brown, Osiris Torrance,

720
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 4: all of these guys. Dion was here, but you can

721
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 4: go down the list, and Brownie just did so I'm yeah,

722
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: the big guys up front on both sides of the

723
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 4: ball are really really important. But I think more so

724
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 4: even this season on the offensive side. You're in an

725
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: offensive league, a throwing league. You got to you gotta

726
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 4: start there always, And I hate to be little the

727
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 4: defense and the contribution they make, but man, oh man,

728
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 4: the game is just built to score points, and I

729
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 4: think you got to start there.

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Speaker 2: Let's crack open the mailbag on the Twitter side of

731
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: the Ledger at one Bill's Live. If you have a

732
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: question you want to fire off and you can't make

733
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 2: a phone call, you can do it there at one

734
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: Bill's Live on Twitter. Otherwise, give us a call, you know,

735
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Speaker 2: three zero five fifty one eight eight five fifty two

736
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: five fifty the number to get on board. Luke says,

737
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: a lot of talk has been focused on Chase Claypool

738
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: as the veteran reclamation project. But what are your thoughts

739
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: on kJ Hamler and the possibility that he could win

740
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: the fifth or sixth receiver spot. Yeah, I mean it's

741
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. Claypool and Hamler both kind of cut

742
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: from a similar cloth. Claypool has played for a number

743
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: of teams just because teams have I think grown tired

744
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: with his lack of consistency in fully committing himself to

745
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: the riggers and demands of the receiver position from a

746
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 2: blocking perspective.

747
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: And things of that nature.

748
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: As for Hambler, it's more injury related. He has a rookie,

749
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: decent rookie season with the Broncos, then chairs his ACL

750
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 2: his second year. The next year he deals with hamstring injuries,

751
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: only plays in seven games. His lack of availability landed

752
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: him out of the league last year.

753
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Speaker 3: Really play.

754
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Speaker 2: Both of these guys, though, are former second round picks.

755
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: You don't get drafted in the second round for no reason.

756
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: There is a skill set, a defined and proven skill

757
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: set you bring to the table as a second round

758
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: draft choice in this league. So could he be just

759
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: as big a reclamation project as Claypool? Absolutely sure, two

760
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: very different players. I think Hammler's going to project to

761
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 2: be inside more of a slot guy, but he can

762
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Speaker 2: fly when he's right and he's healthy.

763
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Speaker 3: That's been the issue. So as much as Steve has.

764
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Speaker 2: Kind of labeled Claypool the personality test, I think for

765
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: Hamler it's a physical health and availability test. Have you

766
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 2: gotten over your hamstring injuries injuries? Have you solved that

767
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: where you can be available for us on a week

768
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Speaker 2: to week basis?

769
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's and that's what it is, like Claypool, is

770
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Speaker 4: a personality test, kind of a character test through this

771
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: training camp. What have you got? What are you going

772
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: to bring to us? Are you gonna put fully commit it?

773
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: Are you gonna? Yes? Exactly the other side of it, Hamdler,

774
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: can you stay healthy? Are you durable enough? Because the

775
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 4: Bills fans they've always had one of these guys, Isaiah

776
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 4: Mackenzie or Deontay Hardy or whatever. kJ Hamler is one

777
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: of those guys. Versatile, kind of a gadget player guy

778
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 4: on offense, speed guy, quickness, good after the catch, and

779
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 4: a return guy. A guy that can catch kicks and

780
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 4: be dangerous. That's the kind of guy kJ Hammler is

781
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 4: perceived to be. Can he do that for seventeen games

782
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: in a playoff run? Well, however, he's gonna prove that

783
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: in the preseason and have as brief a as it is.

784
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 4: That's the question for him.

785
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: He's got to get through training camp and the preseason

786
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: without missing more than a day or two. If he's

787
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: out for a week or two in training camp.

788
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: Forget it. He's done.

789
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 2: That's right, because there are too many guys in the

790
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: same boat as him, with thirteen receivers on this roster

791
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: right now. He misses a week of camp with a

792
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: hamstring injury or two weeks, forget it. If it's right

793
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: back to the same old narrative that people already have

794
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: about you. The only way you change that conversation is

795
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: staying on the field.

796
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 4: Both these guys, I mean kJ Hammiler. He's twenty four

797
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 4: years old, but he's five nine a bucks seventy eight.

798
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 4: There's a lot of weight and a lot of velocity

799
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: on the field, and when it all meets with you

800
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 4: in the center of it, you got to be able

801
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 4: to hold up physically. It's hard to do that a

802
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy eight pounds.

803
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here, but more of your questions

804
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: from the Friday fan mail bag when we return. Still

805
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: taking your phone calls at eight h three oh five

806
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: to fifty hop on a line that's open for you,

807
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: and we'll discuss.

808
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: More with you when we return here.

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Speaker 2: On one Bill's Live, presented by Colt of Health. It's

810
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right back here on one Bill's

811
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Speaker 2: Live on a obl fan Friday mail bag. Any question

812
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: on your about the team? You fired off at us

813
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: at eight o three five fifty. Back to the phones

814
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: we go, and we've got Chad in Buffalo next.

815
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Speaker 3: What's up Chad?

816
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 8: Hey, how you guys doing so? I'm a season ticket holder.

817
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 8: I pay attention to pretty much anything I can. I

818
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 8: wasn't tracking the defensive line, but hearing what the other

819
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 8: callers said. You had that with the safeties, We signed

820
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 8: all the wide receivers. I really think this team is

821
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 8: going to surprise the city and the whole league. And

822
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 8: then I got a question for Steve. I was watching

823
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 8: some of his highlights and specifically the Pro Bowl and

824
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 8: just the block punt, the technique as he ever thought

825
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 8: about coaching special teams.

826
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to. I really never wanted to

827
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 4: be a coach because I never wanted to hang around

828
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: guys like me. So I appreciate. Yeah, if you watch

829
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 4: my highlights, it probably took about thirty seconds out of

830
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 4: your day with the repeats that are in it. So no,

831
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Yeah, the Pro Bowl was fun. I'm

832
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: shocked when I think back on it. We just didn't

833
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: know any better. I'm shocked at how seriously we took

834
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: that game. Yeah we were dopes.

835
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but at least you made it entertaining because

836
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: that game, yeah, ten years later, was became a farce.

837
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't even a game. And they had to change. Yeah,

838
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: they had to change and I and I get it,

839
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 4: but we were I mean, I mean, I listen, I

840
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 4: was playing with some really sharp guys. I mean, Bruce Matthews,

841
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 4: Mike Munchak, Dion Sanders, John Elway, Marino all, Troy Aikman,

842
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 4: all these guys. All these guys played in the Pro

843
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 4: Bowl with me throughout the years, and we just you

844
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: just go out and play. We were It was stupid.

845
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 4: What were we doing? I mean yeah, you know, because

846
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I like, I busted a finger in that

847
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 4: game one time. I'm like, what was I thinking? It's crazy?

848
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 4: But they, you know, it's like, hey, let's go, yeah, fun,

849
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 4: good stuff.

850
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: He brings up an interesting point, like everybody's excited about

851
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: the youth, the influx of youth on the roster. Some

852
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: of the players that were signed, for example, the safeties,

853
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: as you know our last caller pointed out, But all

854
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: of that newness and youth has to be pulled together.

855
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: You have to get rookies quick on the uptake, and

856
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: you have to get new players fitted into roles, and

857
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: then secondarily, make sure you can trust him out there

858
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: that they know not only what their assignment is, but

859
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: how they're going to play off the guys around them,

860
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: and that takes a lot of time, even for veteran players.

861
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: There are adjustments that have to be made to be

862
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: ready for the speed of regular season football. And while

863
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: I know Steve has voiced this that maybe by week

864
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: ten eleven twelve, this team could be even better than

865
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: the one we saw at this time last year, there

866
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: is also a chance that this is a team that

867
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: might stub their toe in the first month of the

868
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: season because they're still pulling all that newness together. So

869
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: I would caution fans that, yeah, it's okay to be optimistic.

870
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 2: I still think there is a very strong core here.

871
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: It's the supporting cast that has to be banded together

872
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: and gelled in a short period of time. And I'm

873
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 2: not convinced that all of those things are going to

874
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: look like a well oiled machine in week one, two

875
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: or three.

876
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: I'll say this though, and I said this the other

877
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: day too, and I'll probably I'll say this one hundred

878
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 4: times before the start of the season, maybe in the

879
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 4: first half of the season, like we're talking about, if

880
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 4: they do get out to a slow start, I'll say this.

881
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: The one thing that you have to say and notice

882
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 4: about Sean McDermott and his staff and his ability as

883
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: a head coach is to bring guys like that together quick.

884
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 4: That's his I think that's where we saw in the

885
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 4: very beginning of his tenure here in Buffalo. That's what

886
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: the guy was good at. Getting these guys up. Let's go,

887
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 4: let's get up to speed, and we're gonna play well

888
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 4: before people think we should, or we're gonna we're gonna

889
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 4: maximize our roster the way it is right now. That

890
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: has always been his I think his strong point. You

891
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 4: can say, I mean, he's taken slings and arrows over

892
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 4: thirteen seconds and you know over he's one in five

893
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 4: and overtime games as a head coach. You know, he's

894
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 4: taken a lot of hits for that kind of stuff

895
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 4: in his coaching career. But I'll say this, he may

896
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 4: set the mark for being able to get guys to

897
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 4: come in, get him in the building, get them acclimated,

898
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 4: and get them playing really well fast. You don't blow

899
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 4: a you don't stop a seventeen year playoff drought for

900
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 4: an organization in your first year with a lesser roster

901
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: than you had the year before without being a really

902
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 4: good coach. And he did that. So while it's my

903
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 4: think thinking that this team athletically and energetic wise, and

904
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 4: you know, skill set wise, this this may be his

905
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 4: best group ever or at least in the last few years,

906
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 4: it may take a minute to get there. I think

907
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: he's the guy that can maximize it when they do

908
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: come together. But make no mistake, that's what we saw

909
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 4: in year one with Sean McDermot was his ability to

910
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 4: get these guys to maximize what they got. Right now,

911
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: let's go. And So while I give him, you know,

912
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: a month or so to get it together here in

913
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 4: the regular season, I wouldn't be surprised to come out

914
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 4: and start just like they always do. Three and one,

915
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 4: three and one, three, you know, four and one, that's

916
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:45,439
Speaker 4: what they kind of do.

917
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the track record, so you would

918
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: hope that would continue. And the schedule isn't daunting at

919
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: the front end, thankfully, so there might be some ramp

920
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 2: up time based on caliber of opponent. Gotta take a

921
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: break here, but when we begin our number two, we're

922
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: going to do it with former NFL GM Randy Mueller,

923
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 2: currently an analyst for the Athletic. We know he's going

924
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: to have some thoughts on the Trevor Lawrence contract and

925
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: if the timing of that was correct, we'll also talk

926
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 2: to him about some other Bills topics as well when

927
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: we return here on One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health,

928
00:49:22,000 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio.

929
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: The One Bill's Live presented by called Lighta Health.

930
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 3: Here we are on a Friday hour number two One

931
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: Bill's Live.

932
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and happy to be

933
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: joined now by the former NFL executive and GM Randy Mueller,

934
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 2: now an analyst.

935
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: For the Athletic.

936
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: And I've got to hit this one right out of

937
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: the shoot, Randy, because you know, Trevor Lawrence is the

938
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: newest bazillionaire at fifty five average annual value, matching Joe

939
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: Burrow's deal, and I.

940
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: Don't know it.

941
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: I understand it and why the Jaguars did it, but

942
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: there's a part of me that says, coming off the

943
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 2: year that he did and I realized there were a

944
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: lot of variables there, their offensive line kind of broke

945
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: down on the interior.

946
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 3: Protection was an issue. It led to injuries.

947
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: He missed five games and all of that. But I

948
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: don't know, like me, I would have waited a year.

949
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: It's only year three that he just finished. You could

950
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: have waited one more year and then got it done.

951
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 2: I realize you're probably paying more at that point in time,

952
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 2: but maybe be completely convinced.

953
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: I guess, for lack of a better term, what do

954
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: you say to that.

955
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 9: I'm with you one hundred percent. And when I looked

956
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 9: at it, I'm not surprised that they signed him. I

957
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 9: was surprised that they settled on the numbers they did.

958
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 9: And you're right, they had him under contract really for

959
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 9: two more years and really club control for another year

960
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 9: or two after that with a franchise tag. So it's

961
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 9: definitely a speculative stock. To pay him at the top

962
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 9: of the heap seems a little risky. In fact, I

963
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 9: just wrote this for the Athletic a couple weeks ago.

964
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 9: I think we all see that the flashes and the

965
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 9: ceiling being so high. With Trevor, it just hasn't been

966
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 9: evident every Sunday. And I know he was banged up

967
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 9: last year, but his development hasn't taken over from where

968
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 9: his talent level is in my opinion, so I'm with you.

969
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 9: I probably would have waited. Yeah, we'd have paid more,

970
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 9: I get it. But I think what they did do

971
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 9: by doing it is they controlled the cap numbers around

972
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 9: him for the next three or four years so that

973
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 9: they can't continue to tweak and build the team. I mean,

974
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 9: you see, really in the Bills case, next year, Josh

975
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 9: has a cap count of thirty million. That's nothing in

976
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 9: this day and age, so they can continue to build

977
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 9: around that as well, even though there may be some

978
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 9: high numbers elsewhere. But that's the key. It's the percentage

979
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 9: of the cap that these quarterbacks take. And in my

980
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 9: in this case, I just didn't see where we're Trevor.

981
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 9: I think we're paying him for future speculation, not from

982
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 9: what we've seen in the past, that's for sure.

983
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 4: And you know, Trevor Lawrence also had you know, Calvin

984
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 4: Ridley back in the fold last year, but even with

985
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 4: that top weapon out there, he kind of regressed. Got

986
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 4: it had Doug Peterson proven head coach, won a Super

987
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 4: Bowl with Philadelphia, So you've got a lot of things

988
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 4: in place for Lawrence. Maybe his offensive line needs to

989
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 4: be upscaled. But when you talk about guys and how

990
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 4: they have weapons around them too. Has all those guys

991
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: in Miami, Joe Burrow has all those guys in Cincinnati?

992
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 4: Is there a balance or has the wide receiver market

993
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 4: reached a critical mass here where either you've got two

994
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 4: or three of those guys or you've got something else

995
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 4: that helps you to win games. I mean, is that

996
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 4: wide receiver market maxed out well? For me? It is?

997
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 9: I guess that's why Basking Robins has thirty one flavors, right,

998
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 9: everybody gets to pick their favorite when they walk in

999
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 9: the door. I'm kind of the ilk that we need

1000
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 9: three or four guys and if one guy and I'm

1001
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 9: for paying the best, there's no doubt, But I'm not

1002
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 9: for paying good great, and I think that's what we're

1003
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 9: up against. I think in Trevor's case, I've always believed

1004
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 9: that the quarterback makes the receivers better, not necessarily that

1005
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 9: the receivers make that quarterback into something special. And I

1006
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 9: just haven't seen the development, whether it was with Ridley

1007
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 9: or now a remade wide receiver room in Jacksonville. I

1008
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 9: think what the signing of Trevor does to mean now

1009
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 9: is it clearly as is the baton of pressure over

1010
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 9: to Doug Peterson. He's got to develop him, He's got

1011
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 9: to get better. You mentioned the turnovers and some of

1012
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 9: the things where he's been lacking. He was borderline bad

1013
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 9: on third downs this year and critical stages turning the

1014
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 9: ball over. So that development is just not there yet.

1015
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 9: And so when I see that and where the rest

1016
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 9: of the team is, I'm not sure what they can

1017
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 9: hang their hat on now other than they do have

1018
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 9: a plan and can plan for the quarterbacks cap numbers

1019
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 9: for the next four or five years.

1020
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting that you have that philosophy because

1021
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: that is clearly the way the Bills have gone after

1022
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: moving on from Stefan Diggs and kind of biting the

1023
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: cap bullet there for this year.

1024
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 3: They're clearly counting on.

1025
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: Josh Allen to raise the level of the receivers around

1026
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 2: him going forward.

1027
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,479
Speaker 3: Can you recall a time in your career where you know.

1028
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 2: You had a quarterback that you believed in and you

1029
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 2: believed was championship caliber, but you were relying on him

1030
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 2: to kind of pull that receiving corps along with him,

1031
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: because outside of Khalil Shakir, there isn't a receiver on

1032
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: the roster who caught a pass from Josh Right.

1033
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 9: Well, I would say the closest I can come to

1034
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 9: equating that is I spent ten years with the Chargers,

1035
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 9: So Philip made us all better. Yeah, trust me, he

1036
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 9: made everybody in the front office better. He made the

1037
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 9: receivers better, he made the defense better, and that's those

1038
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 9: are rare. It's hard to find that. We find that

1039
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 9: in Kansas City with Mahomes. We've saw what they've done

1040
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 9: last couple of years, only win a couple of Super

1041
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 9: Bowls without Tyreek Hills, So it can be done. I

1042
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 9: think it's great that the Bills have included Josh in

1043
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 9: the equation of even looking at quarterbacks and getting these

1044
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 9: I mean the receivers, getting his opinion on some of

1045
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 9: these guys because I agree he's going to have to

1046
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 9: up their game. It does put pressure on him, but

1047
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 9: we all know Josh is capable of that. It's a

1048
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 9: fine line though, because I'm also of the elk that

1049
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 9: Justin Jefferson is worth thirty five million a year. He's good,

1050
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 9: but I also think he's top of the heap. Where

1051
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 9: I struggle with is when people say, well, we got

1052
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 9: to pay market value for this. Not necessarily you can

1053
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 9: pay pay market value if if one they're great, or

1054
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,760
Speaker 9: two your options are limited. But having been a GM

1055
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 9: for years in the league, the worst deals I ever

1056
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 9: made were the ones where I didn't have any options.

1057
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 9: So I'm all about options. I'm all about having those

1058
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 9: options in your back pocket and having conviction for your

1059
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 9: evaluations and plugging and playing some of those options if

1060
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 9: the price gets too steep, and I think that's the

1061
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 9: that's the point of debate, right.

1062
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: So we've we got to the point we've been having

1063
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 4: this conversation that yesterday the Bills wrapped up their off

1064
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 4: season mini camp, mandatory mini camp, that the lights are

1065
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 4: out and the buildings across the NFL, everybody's roster is

1066
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 4: pretty much set, with the occasional signing or release of

1067
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: a guy at the bottom of the roster. Trying to

1068
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 4: get a guy get you through practice. The rosters are set,

1069
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 4: so we kind of know what teams are going to

1070
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 4: look like coming out of it, at least roster wise.

1071
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 4: How they're going to play we have yet to see.

1072
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 4: But what teams, perhaps do you think are on the

1073
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 4: cusp of jumping into contender status in the AFC. Certainly

1074
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 4: Houston would have been one of those teams last year.

1075
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 4: What are other teams that grab you as thinking, you

1076
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 4: know what, this team's got a chance and nobody's talking

1077
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 4: about them.

1078
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 9: Well, I think it's much tougher in the AFC than

1079
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 9: it is the NFC, that's for sure. I think that

1080
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 9: middle muddle, whatever you want to call it, is more

1081
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 9: competitive with better quality teams with depth in the AFC,

1082
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 9: So you're kind of fighting that uphill battle there. I

1083
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 9: thought the two toughest divisions for me in both the

1084
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 9: offseason and going into this season, Steve were the NFC

1085
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 9: North's in the AFC North, and so I would probably

1086
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 9: start there with a team like Cleveland, who had the

1087
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 9: best defense in the league last year. If they can

1088
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 9: get to John Watson, and I know that's a big

1089
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 9: if because he's about four years removed from there, if

1090
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 9: they can get him up the speed at all. I

1091
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 9: think Cleveland will be one of those teams. The other

1092
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 9: team is the Steelers, and I lean on these teams

1093
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 9: with defenses. Those two teams could be decent if they

1094
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 9: get quarterback play. So those two teams are in there.

1095
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 9: I think even harken to a team like I keep

1096
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 9: saying San Diego the Chargers with Jim Harbaugh and what

1097
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 9: he's done, I think they lack perimeter juice. But this

1098
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 9: is a team that's built now and is starting to

1099
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 9: have the culture that Jim Harbaugh wants, and he knows

1100
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 9: how to run an offense that will work in the NFL.

1101
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 9: So I think that's a team too that people probably

1102
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 9: are are not giving enough attention to. So those are

1103
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 9: some of the teams. Again, the AFC is hard. You

1104
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 9: have you know, you've even got a team like Denver

1105
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 9: now who won eight or nine games last year without

1106
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 9: quarterback play, now drafting one in the first round, and

1107
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 9: Sean Payton's second year in re establishing that culture. I

1108
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 9: think it's going to be fun to watch the middle

1109
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 9: ground in AFC.

1110
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 4: Do you think Jim Harbaugh and you've seen you've watched

1111
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 4: the league for a long time, how difficult is it

1112
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 4: for a college coach to come into the NFL? Now? Certainly,

1113
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 4: Jim Harbaugh's got experience. He got the Niners to the

1114
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 4: Super Bowl, you know, ten years ago. Talk to us

1115
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 4: about your experience with college coaches transitioning to the NFL

1116
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 4: and how much success they have.

1117
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 9: I think it's a great question, and it actually came

1118
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 9: up this week with the Dan Hurley stuff, right, a

1119
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 9: guy that spent no time in the NBA. I was

1120
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 9: lucky enough to be in Seattle when we hired Dennis

1121
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 9: Erickson and Miami when Nick Saban was the coach. Two

1122
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 9: extreme different personalities and couldn't be further from each other

1123
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 9: in every regard. I think they're both really obviously good

1124
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 9: at what they do. X's and o's are not necessarily

1125
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 9: the determining factor for me in forecasting who will have

1126
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 9: the most success. It's the other stuff, Steve. It's the ancillary.

1127
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 9: It's the college coach that comes that's never had a GM,

1128
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 9: he's never had an owner, he's never had to be

1129
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 9: accountable for anything ever. They've been kings of their own

1130
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 9: kingdom forever. And I think the acquiescing to having other

1131
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 9: cooks in the kitchen is the hardest thing for him,

1132
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 9: and I think that's driven by personality. Nick Saban wanted

1133
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 9: to be involved in every little minor decision at the

1134
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 9: NFL level, and I think there were a lot of

1135
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 9: days where it was overwhelming. It's just hard to do that.

1136
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 9: At Alabama or at LSU, he can make every call

1137
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 9: and never have to worry about it. Dennis Erickson, on

1138
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 9: the other hand, doesn't get enough credit for really being

1139
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 9: a great offensive mine and he's into College Hall of

1140
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 9: Fame because of it. But he didn't care about all

1141
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 9: the other the things that I did as a GM

1142
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 9: or the things that the owner was doing. He just

1143
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 9: cared about x's and o's on an offense and that

1144
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 9: was it. So I think the personality the mindset goes

1145
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 9: a long ways toward college coaches becoming pro coaches. I

1146
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 9: think in the case of Jim, he's been there, he's

1147
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 9: done that. He understands the GM role, he understands the

1148
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 9: scouting role, he understands the work together role. I think

1149
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 9: it's a great point, and I don't think he really

1150
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 9: cares about all those big all the little decisions. I

1151
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 9: should say that goes into it. He's willing to entrust

1152
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 9: others to making those He'll want to be sure that

1153
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 9: his criteria is being seen and heard, but he's not

1154
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 9: going to be bogged down in all the minutia of

1155
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 9: signing a practice squad guy on a Wednesday when we

1156
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 9: have to practice two hours from now. He trusts the

1157
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 9: other side of the building, so I think he'll be

1158
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,959
Speaker 9: fine in that regard. And I think that's a great move,

1159
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 9: and everybody lauded it at the time, But having spent

1160
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 9: ten years with the Chargers, I think he is exactly

1161
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 9: what they needed from a culture standpoint.

1162
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: We've already heard some rumblings Randy about the so called

1163
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 2: NFLPA proposal for the off season. Whether that's a bargaining

1164
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: chip in the negotiations on an eighteenth regular season game

1165
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: remains to be seen, but it seems like there are

1166
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: players on either side of this. Some players have voiced

1167
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 2: and expressed that they like the way the offseason schedule

1168
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: currently exists.

1169
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: There are others who.

1170
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 2: Say, no, I want more of my off time at

1171
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: the front end of the off season, not the back end.

1172
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: I guess, first of all, do you think it makes

1173
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 2: sense because this five and a half week period that

1174
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: we're just beginning now is the last time for players

1175
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: to truly let their bodies rest and recover for the

1176
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 2: six months that lie ahead.

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01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, I totally agree, And I think I've talked to

1178
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 9: enough people within the league that everybody's first of all,

1179
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 9: skeptical that this would work. Second of all, they're somewhat

1180
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 9: deaf to the fact that they think it's going to happen.

1181
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 9: And I think that's probably the reason that came up

1182
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 9: is what you mentioned, the pushback against the eighteen game schedule.

1183
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 9: Steve can attest to this. This is really the way

1184
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 9: we used to have it twenty years ago. We didn't

1185
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 9: have these structured off season accountability type tests that guys

1186
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 9: were around all the time. We dispersed after the season,

1187
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 9: and sometimes we didn't see our players until the draft

1188
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 9: when we'd had a mandatory mini camp. The difference is

1189
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 9: the game and the business has totally changed. We're now

1190
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 9: turning over thirty five percent of our roster roughly every year.

1191
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 9: We need those off seasons, even if it's just to

1192
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 9: do classroom work. Hope leave some some good of the

1193
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 9: game type mentality will come into play if they do

1194
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 9: restructure this to where we still get to have rookie orientation.

1195
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 9: We still get to have time in the classroom so

1196
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 9: that we can build new systems. Back in the day

1197
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 9: when we had nothing in the off season, rosters didn't change,

1198
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 9: coaching staffs didn't change. Are just where we dealt with

1199
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 9: so little change compared to what now we have, which

1200
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 9: is constant change. And I don't think it's a lot

1201
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 9: to ask to ask our players to come around into

1202
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 9: these to these mini camps and OTAs. I know this,

1203
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 9: and I've heard this come from players, and you guys

1204
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 9: probably are as close to it as anybody. The players

1205
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 9: don't necessarily think it's a problem. They want to be around.

1206
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 9: Good luck getting Josh Allen to not be around for

1207
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 9: you know, four months. These guys want to be around,

1208
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 9: They want to be a coach, and especially the young guys,

1209
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 9: they have to spend time around the building and learning

1210
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 9: new things so that they have a chance. So I'm

1211
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 9: skeptical of it, but I'm afraid that when we have doubt,

1212
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 9: we always follow the money trail, and that may be

1213
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 9: what's the case here is this may be the league's

1214
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 9: way of giving the Players Association something to hang their

1215
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 9: hat ons once they shove the eighteenth game down somebody's throat.

1216
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, we all kind of consider

1217
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 4: the eighteen game schedule kind of a foregone conclusion. And

1218
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 4: I know that players will always push back. There are

1219
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 4: guys who, you know, hey, let's just play ten games, right,

1220
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 4: it's easier on me, right, that kind of thing. So

1221
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 4: you can be like that, But the simple fact of

1222
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 4: the matter is the players. Really you don't have a

1223
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 4: leg to stand on because and me, as a former player,

1224
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 4: I'll say this, the players have a choice just walk away.

1225
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 4: You don't have to play. And if they say, well,

1226
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 4: that's ridiculous, that's the ridiculousness. Is you saying this too much?

1227
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 4: If it's ridiculous to walk away, your argument for eighteen

1228
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 4: games against it being oh, it's so unsafe, it's asked

1229
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 4: too much. Well, if it's asked too much, don't play.

1230
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 4: And then it becomes ridiculous to walk away from a

1231
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 4: twenty million dollar contract because they added one game. There's

1232
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 4: the ridiculous nature of the argument because you do so

1233
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 4: much outside of the lines of the games anyway, one

1234
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 4: more game is literally, you know, a drop in the ocean.

1235
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 4: So this eighteen game schedule is absolutely gonna happen. The

1236
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 4: question is, and this is where my question is, Randy,

1237
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 4: what are they gonna get in return for an eighteenth game.

1238
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 9: Well, they'll get more revenue, they'll get a higher cap

1239
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 9: because of it, for sure. But I think the intangible

1240
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 9: part that they got in the last couple CBA negotiations

1241
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 9: was the time spent in the offseason and really controlling

1242
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 9: that calendar. And that's what the NFLPA hung their hat

1243
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 9: on in the past, is well we got this taken

1244
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,439
Speaker 9: away in the offseason. I'm just not sure that's good

1245
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 9: for the game. And I know I'm old school, but

1246
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 9: I always thought this, Steve, I don't know how you

1247
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 9: if you agree or not. When Gene Nupshaw was in

1248
01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 9: charge of the players Union and Paul Tagley blew the league,

1249
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 9: those two always, for me, had the good of the

1250
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 9: game at the back end of most decisions. Everything that

1251
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 9: was decided really had the backdrop. Was I really think

1252
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 9: Gene wanted the good of the game to be beneficial

1253
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 9: from any decisions. I'm not sure that's the case anymore

1254
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 9: because everything is driven by money. And yeah, they'll get

1255
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 9: some more money. To answer your question, maybe they get

1256
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 9: a double buy in there somewhere. Probably the eighteenth game

1257
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 9: is going to include an international game for everybody as well,

1258
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 9: so that's a little more wear and tear. I just think,

1259
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 9: at some point, what is enough of the revenue and

1260
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 9: how we drive it? Is it twenty five billion a year?

1261
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 9: Is that rogers goal? I don't know, but it seems

1262
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 9: to me like the good of the game suffers now

1263
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 9: with all these decisions made on driving revenue.

1264
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: Last one I got for you, Randy, and it pertains

1265
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: to this. Could you see the Players Association in any

1266
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 2: way lobbying for larger rosters. I know COVID kind of

1267
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: accelerated larger practice squads and now it's firm at sixteen

1268
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: when I think the original limit was going to be

1269
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: twelve in the revised CBA, and that sense changed and

1270
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: been amended. But I'm wondering if there's a push for

1271
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: fifty man rosters on game day, you know, wear and tear, eighteen.

1272
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: Games, all of that.

1273
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: But then I think, well, if the cap goes up,

1274
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: but you also increase the jobs, each slice of the

1275
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: pie gets smaller for every player that is employed in

1276
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 2: this league.

1277
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: So I wonder if.

1278
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 2: There's pushback there too. I was curious how you might

1279
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 2: see that playing out.

1280
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: Well.

1281
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 9: It's a good point, and they have committees that GMS

1282
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 9: are on because I was on them for years that

1283
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 9: discuss this kind of stuff. I agree in that the

1284
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 9: teams that get taxed where they have to turn around

1285
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 9: play again four days later might benefit from an additional

1286
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 9: roster spot or two, and it's on a one off

1287
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 9: basis now they have to give it to both teams regardless.

1288
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 9: But I don't think that really raises expenses for anybody.

1289
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 9: You're still paying those guys, they still get a full

1290
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 9: game check, but now you're actually dress seeing a couple

1291
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 9: more in those short weeks. That to me makes sense,

1292
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 9: and I don't think the quality of play is going

1293
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Speaker 9: to suffer because, yeah, you pay fifty three guys, you

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Speaker 9: only dress forty seven. Let them dress more. I totally agree.

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Speaker 9: I don't think the roster size has to go up.

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Speaker 9: I just think the amount of players that you dress

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Speaker 9: maybe goes up. And then you get into the factor, well,

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Speaker 9: one team has more injuries, so they can't dress an

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Speaker 9: equal amount. That's a factor as well. But those things

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Speaker 9: are all discussed internally. I miss those days when we

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Speaker 9: were apart and privy of the transparency of those discussions.

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Speaker 9: Now we just have to sit around and guess a.

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Speaker 4: Little bit, as you right, right, well you think about it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's sixty nine guys in the building anyway.

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Speaker 4: There's sixteen on the practice square or sixteen on the

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Speaker 4: practice squad, fifty three guys on the roster, plus anybody

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Speaker 4: else who's injured off in the nether reaches which can't

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Speaker 4: play or be signed anyway. But there's sixty nine guys

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Speaker 4: that are quotes alive and healthy, ready to go. And

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Speaker 4: so there's I mean, you could tinker with the number

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Speaker 4: available numbers of the practice squad and the roster of

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Speaker 4: the fifty three man roster, for instance, take the roster

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Speaker 4: to fifty seven and then fifty on game day, and

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Speaker 4: the and the practice squad stays at twelve, you know,

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Speaker 4: instead of instead of sixteen. All those numbers can be

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Speaker 4: played with. Obviously, the practice squad guys don't get a

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Speaker 4: full game check. They get practice squad numbers. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 4: they already got all the bodies they need. What they

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Speaker 4: really need need guys, is availability on and the option

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Speaker 4: to dress them or not on game day. That's the

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Speaker 4: real issue.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I totally agree. I think for years it was

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Speaker 9: the fighting, the battle of having bodies to practice with.

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Speaker 9: We have solved that one. And maybe the great parallel,

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Speaker 9: like you guys mentioned, is the COVID years because they

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Speaker 9: have they let that up and down flexibility for the

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Speaker 9: teams really, you know, expand and I am all for that.

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Speaker 9: You know some of the old school owners though, and

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Speaker 9: they're gonna fight expansion of the roster because they think

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Speaker 9: that sets precedent and eventually we'll be wanting fifty, you know,

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Speaker 9: nine man rosters to dress on Sunday. So they've got

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Speaker 9: to draw the line. But I do think if we're

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Speaker 9: going to keep adding physicality to these eighteen weeks for players,

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Speaker 9: I think you've got to find a way to do

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Speaker 9: what's easiest for them and on their bodies, and I

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Speaker 9: think the quality of play suffers. Blessed if you have

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Speaker 9: healthy guys out there. If the guy can't.

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Speaker 3: Play, Randy, thanks for the time.

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Speaker 2: As always, we appreciate it, especially here in the offseason.

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Speaker 2: Good luck up there bagging something either with the rifle

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Speaker 2: or the fishing pole.

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Speaker 9: Thanks guys, always enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: That's Randy Muller joining US former NFLGM remains pretty tapped

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Speaker 2: into the league just.

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Speaker 3: Through his contacts and stuff.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny he's talking about having to sit around

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Speaker 2: and wait. I guess when you've been in those meetings

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Speaker 2: for years, you know, on very league committees and you're

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Speaker 2: in the you're totally on the inside track and learning

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 2: about stuff as it is being discussed. When you're not

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Speaker 2: in that circle anymore, it's like, how much.

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Speaker 3: Longer we got to wait to find out what's going on?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: That's gotta be tough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, then too, it's it. It also helps, and you know,

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Speaker 4: I was a small part. I got a small window

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Speaker 4: into how that works. And there's a lot of people

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Speaker 4: in the room and you a lot of times aren't

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Speaker 4: really aware of the context of what the rate, the

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Speaker 4: scope of their the topic. When the kickoff play is

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Speaker 4: a huge is a perfect example. That's the one I

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Speaker 4: was involved with. And they were committed to keeping it

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Speaker 4: on the game in the game, and they had a

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Speaker 4: lot of guys who are really smart and really informed

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Speaker 4: working at solving it. The question was the question was

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Speaker 4: twofold one. Is there anything that's going to have a

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Speaker 4: ripple effect when we change it this way? That's going

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Speaker 4: to change And it's like, what are we doing, is

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Speaker 4: it gonna you know, unforeseen consequences? And the second one

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Speaker 4: is are we really willing to change it like this?

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Speaker 4: That's basically it. The league has for decades been I

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Speaker 4: think over one of the least complemented traits of the NFL,

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Speaker 4: that should be one of the most complimented traits of

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Speaker 4: the NFL is its willingness to evolve. I mean, remember

1376
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Speaker 4: back decades ago, you couldn't change base major League Baseball

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Speaker 4: without an Act of Congress. I mean, the designated hitter.

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Speaker 4: For goodness sake, It's people were still up in arms

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Speaker 4: about it, right, I mean it's I mean, what are

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Speaker 4: you doing?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 4: So all of that stuff. That game was static because

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Speaker 4: they wanted the ability to compare today's players with yesterday.

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Speaker 4: The NFL is not caught up in that. They they

1385
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 4: look at their fans, They listen to their fans, and

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01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 4: whatever the fans want more of, they give them more

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Speaker 4: of and if they want less of it, they try

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Speaker 4: to give them less of it while still keeping the

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Speaker 4: game compelling and physical and all of that stuff. So

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Speaker 4: they're not afraid to change the game. But they are

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01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 4: afraid to change the game. You know, they don't want

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01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 4: it they don't want it to go. Oh you know, it.

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Speaker 3: Took him like twenty years. They pitch clock in.

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Speaker 4: And that's why these these committees. You know, Randy Mueller

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01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 4: has been a part of man. They they chew it up.

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01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 4: They they chew up everything like you and I chew

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01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 4: up the Bills and every day and we talk about

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Speaker 4: them every day and talk about Bills fans the same thing.

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Speaker 4: So it's it's really interesting. I'm this eighteen game schedule.

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01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 4: I mean, we should all just plan our calendars around.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna happen. But they're gonna they got some things

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01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 4: to hammer out. I would say, iron out. That ain't enough.

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01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 4: It's hammering it out.

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01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotta take a break here when we come back.

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Speaker 2: More of your question on the tweetsheet and in the

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01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 2: fan Friday Mailbag. Still taking your phone calls as well

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01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: at eight h three five point fifty. So if you

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01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 2: have a question on the Bills the offseason, the league

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Speaker 2: at large, letter rip here.

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Speaker 3: On One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 6: It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right back here on One Bill's Live on an

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Speaker 2: obl fan Friday mail Bag edition and got about a

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01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: half hour to go and wanted to get to more

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01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:40,280
Speaker 2: of your questions that you asked at one Bills Live

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01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 2: and Capozi asks Brian Dable had a promising career ahead

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01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 2: of him as a head coach. Unfortunately Daniel Jones has

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01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 2: slowed him down. What coaching opportunities in twenty twenty two

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01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: would have led to more success. Well, the Charger's job

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01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 2: was open in twenty twenty two, and he was a

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01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: finalist for that job, and it ultimately went to what's

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01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: his name who's not there anymore?

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01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 4: Hailey?

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01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:09,879
Speaker 3: Uh no, No.

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01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 2: The guy that was the Rams DC, and then he

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Speaker 2: got the head coaching job. Brandon Staley, he got the

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01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 2: He got the job over Dayball, And from the information

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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 2: I had get, I had gathered that was an ownership

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01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: decision to go with Staley instead of Dayball, and is

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01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 2: Brian day Ball goes to the Chargers with Justin Herbert

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01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen, Mike Williams. I mean, I think their offense

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01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: would have been a little bit more productive, but that's

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Speaker 2: just me.

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01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. And the yeah, at the moment, the

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,640
Speaker 4: dark whispers around the league, which couldn't be substantiated, was

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01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 4: because it was Dayball was a hotter commodity than Brandon

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01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 4: Staley and costs more.

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01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, a financial decision.

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 4: By final decision by ownership.

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01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 2: And then what did ownership do four years later? They

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01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 2: decided to not make money the object and hire Jim Harbaugh.

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 3: So perhaps they've learned from their past mistakes. Perhaps you

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01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 3: get what you pay for.

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that would have been a more

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01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 2: successful landing spot. Yes, for Dayball, just by virtue of

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01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 2: the quarterback he would have inherited.

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01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 4: I'll say this too in defense of the Chargers ownership.

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01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 4: I like Brian Daboll and he's a friend of mine,

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01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 4: but his track record coming over from the Bills was

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01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 4: not as good as Jim Harbaugh's coming back from Michigan

1451
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 4: after winning a national chasshire and then taking the Niners

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01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl years before. So Harbaugh has bigger

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01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 4: coaching chops coming back from Michigan. Then that's right Brian

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01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 4: Daball did at the time of the hire in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty two. Now, even now, you could make a case.

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01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 4: If that's the case, I'll make a case for Dayball.

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Speaker 4: I would too.

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01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 2: I thought, well, no, I'm going to make a case

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01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 2: for day Ball to counter your case for Harbaugh and

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Speaker 2: why it was easier to pay him giant running. What

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01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 2: Harbaugh does not have that day Ball does is a

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Speaker 2: successful quarterback development story like Josh Allen. Harbaugh doesn't have

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01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 2: that in his career. He didn't make Kaepernick a superstar.

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01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 2: Kaepernick was a runner, right, you know what I mean,

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01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 2: he didn't develop him into anything. He's substantial from a

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01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 2: passing standpoint. And if you have Justin Herbert on your roster,

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Speaker 2: like what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Missed out?

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Speaker 3: What are you doing?

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Speaker 10: So?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, to answer your question, Caposi, that would be my response.

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Speaker 2: The charger's job in twenty twenty two, for which he

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Speaker 2: was a finalist, I think would have been a better

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01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,479
Speaker 2: landing spot and Brian, but unfortunately he.

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Speaker 3: Did not make that choice. It was made for him.

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Speaker 3: So there it is.

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Speaker 2: Jack asks two quickies. Who of the rookie class has

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 2: impressed in mini camp? Heard Solomon looks quick as a

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Speaker 2: hiccup and with Bass struggling last year a bit this spring,

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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: per su reports with the Bills bring another kicker in

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01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,839
Speaker 2: to push him? Who was even out there first?

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01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 3: One?

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01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, Solomon's got some juice. I mean Steve noticed it

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01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 2: right away. With the limited time we've had to watch

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01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: practice because it's usually happening when we're on the air.

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01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: He's got some juice, and I'll let Steve elaborate on

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Speaker 2: that a little bit. I would say as far as

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Speaker 2: other players go in pressing in camp, I think Coleman's

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01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 2: had his moments. I think Bishops had his moments. I

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Speaker 2: think Dwayne Carter has a chance. I really like Ray Davis,

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01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: but unfortunately he missed some time due to injury. I

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01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 2: don't know that he'll unseat Ty Johnson at the start

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01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 2: of the season for the number two job, but I

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01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: think he's got some talent and he'll find his way

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01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 2: onto the field as the season unfolds.

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Speaker 3: So I'm encouraged by all those guys.

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Speaker 4: Right, Umfocio was sitting around watching because he was a

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Speaker 4: little nit. Yeah, but you're right, Dwayne Carter has got

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Speaker 4: some juice, and you're right.

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Speaker 3: And I yet I get Kyle Williams vibes from Dwayne.

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Speaker 4: Conch Javon Solomon. It's fun to watch. I mean, I'm

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01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,799
Speaker 4: he's he looks like he's going at a different speed.

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01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,840
Speaker 4: Now in shorts and helmets you can look like that.

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01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 4: Sometimes he looked like that a lot and he I

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Speaker 4: didn't see him taking reps against Dion Dawkins or or

1506
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 4: Spencer Brown or any of those guys. But the guys

1507
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 4: he was taking reps against, he's a handful. We'll see

1508
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 4: if that translates when they start putting pads on and

1509
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 4: all that. But yeah, Javon Solomon did jump out in

1510
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 4: mini camp.

1511
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 2: Let's jump back on the phone lines at eight oh

1512
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,519
Speaker 2: three zero five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two,

1513
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 2: five fifteen and we go to Tom on the west side.

1514
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:46,480
Speaker 3: What's up, Tom?

1515
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 10: Hey Johnson? I was wondering. I mean, if you name

1516
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 10: a sub or picked a sub that predicted the bills,

1517
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 10: what would it be? Because Kansas City would to be

1518
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 10: a royal? Or what be a steak and cheese? But

1519
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 10: what what kind of somber Holgi would the bills be?

1520
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 10: And I'll leave you at that, and yeah, that's right.

1521
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 2: All right, have a good weekend, Tom. Uh, that is

1522
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:12,759
Speaker 2: not what I was expecting.

1523
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

1524
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: Let's see here, I mean we are we are fans

1525
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 2: of food. Steve, do you want to take a stab

1526
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 2: at this?

1527
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 4: I don't want to take a stab at this, But what.

1528
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,160
Speaker 3: To predict their season? I think we.

1529
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 2: It's got to be something that tastes good as you

1530
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: get to the end of it, because I think the

1531
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 2: Bills are going to be.

1532
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:35,880
Speaker 3: Better at the end than they are at the beginning.

1533
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 4: Uh, that's a good question. I think I'll say this. Uh,

1534
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 4: it's a sandwich. It's a sub that's going to stick

1535
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 4: to your ribs because they've got some stuff under the hood.

1536
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 4: This is this is a team that's got it's full

1537
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 4: of meat. You know what are you going to say?

1538
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 2: It's maybe a stinger, Yeah, maybe it's it's Uh.

1539
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 4: This this roster is very talented. They've got some things

1540
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 4: that are elite about them, and they've also got some

1541
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,599
Speaker 4: things that are different than they've had in the past,

1542
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 4: but potentially much better. I'm talking about athleticism, stuff like that.

1543
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 4: Certainly the old reliable is gone in what this roster

1544
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 4: was before. But I think this is a this is

1545
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 4: a group that is gonna, you know, shine pretty bright.

1546
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:35,679
Speaker 4: I'm pretty high. I'm pretty high on this crew.

1547
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 2: We neglected to answer Jack's second question, which was with

1548
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: Bass struggling last year in a bit this spring, according

1549
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: to reports, with the Bills bring in another kicker.

1550
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:47,839
Speaker 3: To push him.

1551
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:50,759
Speaker 2: I think it would have to be an extended period

1552
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: in which Bass struggled to prompt a move like that,

1553
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 2: because let's not forget, the roster's at its limit. You'd

1554
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 2: have to make a roster move to bring a second

1555
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 2: kicker in, knowing full well.

1556
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 3: You're not keeping one of them.

1557
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 2: So I would think that Bass would have to struggle

1558
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: for a prolonged period of time, like two weeks in camp,

1559
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,960
Speaker 2: in a preseason game, and then it might prompt them

1560
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 2: to act at that point. I mean, let's not forget

1561
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 2: he just signed an extension last year at this time,

1562
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 2: and you know, they kind of put all their chips

1563
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:28,600
Speaker 2: on the table and support of Tyler Bass. So I

1564
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 2: think they're hoping last year was an aberration and that

1565
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,759
Speaker 2: he'll be right back on track being the reliable kicker

1566
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 2: he's been.

1567
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 4: For much of his career. And I know two fans

1568
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 4: seem to see this a lot of fans, and rightfully so.

1569
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 4: Sometimes you see this as a black and white issue.

1570
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 4: If he's missing too many kicks, get rid of him.

1571
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 4: As a coaching staff in an organization, he' say, okay,

1572
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 4: we switched his holder up, We've got a snapper up.

1573
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 4: We have that that what else is there in there

1574
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:57,640
Speaker 4: has the guy changed? And if you sign an extension

1575
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 4: and things go sideways on you, the first question you

1576
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 4: ask is is this the money we just paid him?

1577
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 4: Is that affecting him? Is he not as committed? Is

1578
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 4: he coasting? What's the deal? All that stuff goes into it,

1579
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 4: because if he's the same guy today as he was

1580
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 4: when he signed him to the extension, there's no need

1581
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 4: for a change. Just make sure his surroundings, his holder,

1582
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 4: is snapper, his coach, all that stuff is where it

1583
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 4: should be. If some of that stuff is out of whack,

1584
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 4: then you got to start talking about it now. Having

1585
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 4: said that, Brownie's right, plenty of veteran kickers available all

1586
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 4: the time, and guys who aren't veterans who just want

1587
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 4: a shot at it go out and get one. It's

1588
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 4: not like it's not like they have to learn the offense,

1589
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 4: you know, go out and get one. They are. It

1590
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 4: is maybe the easiest position change there is in pro football.

1591
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not predicting doom for Tyler Bass.

1592
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 3: I'm just stating fact here.

1593
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 2: There isn't out in his contra after this season where

1594
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: his cap figure drops by fifty percent dead cap figure,

1595
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 2: I should say from seven point three to three million

1596
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 2: dollars between this year and next year, so this year

1597
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 2: could be pretty important for him. I have every reason

1598
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 2: to believe he'll be right back on track to being

1599
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:21,600
Speaker 2: the reliable kicker he was the first three years of

1600
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: his career, so I think we're all kind of hoping

1601
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:29,599
Speaker 2: for that going forward. Back to the mail bag, next

1602
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 2: question comes from eb Hey Fellas enjoy the show daily.

1603
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 2: What's the realistic impact of rookie safety Cole Bishop if

1604
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 2: no injuries happen ahead of him, Go Bills. I'm guessing

1605
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:44,839
Speaker 2: he's saying, Okay, realistic impact. I think it largely depends

1606
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 2: on whether he unseats one of the veterans for a

1607
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 2: starting job at the safety position, that being Edwards or rap.

1608
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 2: If he can find a way to do that through

1609
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 2: the course of training camp in the preseason, well then

1610
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 2: you might have a pretty sizable impact, because the guy's

1611
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 2: playing sixty sixty five snaps a game. If he doesn't,

1612
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 2: I still think he could have somewhat of an impact

1613
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: as a sub package player, maybe, for example, in like

1614
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,280
Speaker 2: a dying package role like we saw Taylor Rapp last year.

1615
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 3: You know, maybe he has that kind of role.

1616
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: If he's not a starter, and I think it's going

1617
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 2: to be largely predicated on how the position battle shakes

1618
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 2: out in training camp.

1619
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 4: Right. Realistically, it's going to take him in and I

1620
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 4: think for him because of the transition to the x's

1621
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 4: and o's of the pros. He's a smart guy, don't

1622
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 4: get me wrong, and he's got all that going for him,

1623
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 4: and he's athleticism is He's got bucket loads of it.

1624
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 4: I think if the thing that will hold him up

1625
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 4: is the ability of the coaches to say he's got this,

1626
01:25:42,160 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 4: let's go, that's it.

1627
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1628
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he is on record this spring saying this

1629
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 2: defensive system is completely new to him. At Utah they

1630
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 2: played a ton of man coverage. They play some man here,

1631
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 2: but not every snap like they.

1632
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:57,719
Speaker 3: Did at Utah.

1633
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 2: Right, So there are a lot of different concepts that

1634
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 2: he has not repped before in the college ranks. So

1635
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: to do that now at the highest level of football,

1636
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a learning curve.

1637
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 4: There for Yeah, But that doesn't mean he's not gonna

1638
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 4: get it, and that when he does step on the field,

1639
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 4: he's not going to be ready. I think the guy

1640
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 4: is going to be a really good pro. But as

1641
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 4: you as I said, I think the transition and the

1642
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 4: and the runway in front of him is tough in

1643
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 4: both directions, both the guys ahead of him and the

1644
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 4: transition and the x's and o's and learning the new defense.

1645
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 3: Break time for us.

1646
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 2: Here's some final questions to answer from the mail bag

1647
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:39,759
Speaker 2: when we return here on one Bill's Live. Stay tuned,

1648
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 2: all right, Some final questions here from the mail bag

1649
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 2: on a Friday day to One bills Live. Jeremy asks,

1650
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: I listened to four Bill Bill's podcasts through the week

1651
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: during involuntary and voluntary camps. I haven't heard Curtis Samuel's

1652
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 2: name at all. Is this a good thing or a

1653
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 2: bad thing?

1654
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1655
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 2: I wouldn't concern yourself too much with who you hear

1656
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 2: about and who you don't. This time of year training

1657
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 2: camp is kind of when you can get a more

1658
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 2: accurate gauge on how players are performing. It's closer to

1659
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 2: real football, especially once the pads go on. So I

1660
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't be concerned by it. And he certainly

1661
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 2: hasn't disappointed in any way through the spring, so I

1662
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't be terribly right.

1663
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean Brown and I were watching practice,

1664
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 4: and most of the regular players that you would expect

1665
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 4: to see on the field were watching just because they

1666
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 4: were given the new players and the changeover players' reps.

1667
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 4: That's just the way it was. So you know, you're

1668
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 4: not going to hear about a guy who's standing over

1669
01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 4: there next to the head coach chit chatting. So that's

1670
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 4: that's kind of the way it is for guys like

1671
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 4: Curtis Samuel, for guys like Khalil Shakiir, although Khalil had

1672
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 4: a little bit of an issue as well, but this

1673
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 4: is a completely different set of priorities at this time

1674
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 4: of year than it would be in training camp.

1675
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 2: David asked, do you think the Bills have better wide

1676
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 2: receivers this year than the Chiefs did last year? I say, yeah,

1677
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 2: I think there's a good chance that they do. I

1678
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:34,560
Speaker 2: mean last year you're talking Rashi, Rice sky Moore, Mark

1679
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 2: Wes Valdez, Kelly car Darius Tony, Mkole Hardman who rejoined

1680
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 2: the team midseason. It's not a banner group of guys.

1681
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 4: I mean they were good they I mean they won

1682
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 4: the championship, so you know they weren't bad. But I

1683
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:59,599
Speaker 4: would say with Shakir and Coleman and Samuel I kind

1684
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 4: of like, don't like it.

1685
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 3: I mean we're probably biased, but yeah, I mean it's

1686
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 3: at least as good. At least is good, I would think.

1687
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 4: And that's probably as proven.

1688
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 2: Being Yeah, and right now in this offense, they're largely unproven,

1689
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: which I think is saying something too.

1690
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 3: So yeah.

1691
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 4: Uh.

1692
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: Bill asked what team is a potential dark horse relocation team.

1693
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:24,480
Speaker 2: He's suspecting Cincinnati if they don't get their facility renovated.

1694
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 2: They don't really have a practice facility. Their stadium is

1695
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 2: less than twenty years old.

1696
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if they're.

1697
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 4: Moving though, He right, Carolina and Jacksonville. Jacksonville is the

1698
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 4: one I would suspect because you boys think they may

1699
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 4: go to London, although I don't know if the league

1700
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 4: would allow it at this point. We'll see.

1701
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 3: That's it for us today. All the dads out there

1702
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 3: have a great Father's Day. We'll see on Monday at

1703
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 3: one