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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Our colleague Nola is on an adventure, but will be

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Speaker 2: back soon.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. It's our weekly listener

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Speaker 3: male segment. If you are tuning in the evening, this

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Speaker 3: segment publishes Welcome to December fourth off air. Matt, I

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Speaker 3: got a really great save by none other than Tennessee

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Speaker 3: because I thought this would be next week, but this

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Speaker 3: is indeed tomorrow for us, because we're recording on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: December third.

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Speaker 2: Yes, guys, we record these at all different times and

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Speaker 2: then you hear them at all different times. It's just

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Speaker 2: crazy out here in stuff they don't want you to

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Speaker 2: know land, But today we are so close. We're so

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Speaker 3: We're so close to you in real time with the

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Speaker 3: magic of editing and you were part of the show.

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Speaker 3: That's what makes this program so exciting and important to us. Now, Matt,

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Speaker 3: you Tennessee, Noel and I have have had a lot

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Speaker 3: of conversations that follow up on some of our previous episodes.

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Speaker 3: I think we've all seen the discourse we had with

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Speaker 3: a pastor regard the nature of selling one soul. That

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Speaker 3: was very awesome. Shout out to Pastor Banks. We've got

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Speaker 3: a lot of emails that were kinda jazz through. And

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Speaker 3: then we had a lot of responses regarding the recent

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Speaker 3: episode we did on Secret Underground Cities. Right, maybe we

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Speaker 3: pause for a word from our sponsors and dive into that.

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Speaker 3: What do you say?

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Speaker 2: I want to do that? And yes, and we need

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Speaker 2: to dig something up first.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's right. Oh okay, So shout out to h

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Speaker 3: Shout out to our favorite root vegetables, Shout out to

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Speaker 3: everybody on our Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 3: It turns out that our super producer, Dylan the Tennessee

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Speaker 3: paal Fagan is a breakout star because of something we

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Speaker 3: like to call the root of Bega.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Kaylee, Hey Jeff, there we go to you know,

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Speaker 4: Rudy the new Voice assistant from Bagacorp.

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Speaker 2: Supposedly it's super smart.

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Speaker 4: You want to ask you a question here, Hey Rudy, Hi,

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Speaker 4: Rudy at your service?

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Speaker 3: How can I dig it up for you today?

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Speaker 2: Hey loser says, what blocked reported account?

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Speaker 4: Terminated authorities are on the way.

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Speaker 2: Rudy will not be undermined.

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Speaker 4: Rudy will not be undermined.

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Speaker 3: Would you do do, Cliffhanger? What'd you do do?

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Speaker 2: Time to dig him up? How can I dig him

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Speaker 2: up for you?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Tennessee, real quick before we go to an ad

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Speaker 3: break up? What inspires you? A lot of people, a

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Speaker 3: lot of our fellow conspiracy realists, have been asking the

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Speaker 3: crew and asking me as well, just in full transparency,

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Speaker 3: how you find these ideas the absurd?

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Speaker 2: Ah that old pool from which to draw beautiful? Uh? Well,

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Speaker 2: we've actually gotten several messages about what is the origin

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Speaker 2: of our Ruta Bega obsession? And I wonder if the

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Speaker 2: three of us really quickly could just recap because quite honestly,

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Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly how this whole thing started.

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Speaker 4: I think we're looking for a phrase to say to

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Speaker 4: kick off recording every week, and for some reason, I

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Speaker 4: said it's time to dig up the rootabagas yes, spiraled

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Speaker 4: from there into a root.

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Speaker 3: De beta verse Yeah, yeah, which we're very excited about.

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Speaker 3: And again, as we had said on previous iterations of stuff,

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Speaker 3: they don't want you to know, we hope you enjoy

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Speaker 3: this as much as we do. We primarily hope you

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Speaker 3: enjoy this as much as we do because we are

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Speaker 3: not going to stop. This is a normalized thing. It

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Speaker 3: will continue. So strap in and every time you check

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Speaker 3: a becas. It's literally one of our favorite parts of

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Speaker 3: the show. And we can't thank you enough Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, thanks guys.

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Speaker 2: Can we make it a bit of homework for ourselves

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Speaker 3: It will be a herculean effort, and to be completely honest,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it today.

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Speaker 4: Well, I will say for listeners if they want to

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Speaker 4: go back to the first long form Routbaga looked out

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Speaker 4: for Dylan Fagin's Rudebaka Chevrolet, just try and find that

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you know, in another world you guys,

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Speaker 3: are the cool teachers at a high school? You know,

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Speaker 3: you're giving a little hint with the homework, a little help.

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Speaker 3: Let's wrap guys. I'm going to turn this chair the

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Speaker 3: drape myself over it. Anybody heard of dangerous minds? I'm

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Speaker 3: So, oh gosh, well, here's our ad break.

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Speaker 2: And we've returned. I just remember coolioh and then weird

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, we set it up earlier with the

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Speaker 3: allegations from I believe Catherine Austin Fitz that the United

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Speaker 3: a very small percent of the population to hide out

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're jumping to the phone lines. Very good, We've

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Speaker 2: got so many responses. I just pulled two from November fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: Hidalgo and Pure Both of you called in in direct

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Speaker 2: Let's jump to Hidalgo first, who has some direct experience

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Speaker 5: Here we go, Hey, guys, it's Hidalgo. I'm listening to

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Speaker 5: nobody knows. They kept it real quiet too, So maybe

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Speaker 5: I shouldn't be talking about this.

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, hey guys, have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah bye, Well, thank you so much, Hidalgo. Under Ground

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Speaker 3: What what do I think? Well, Hidalgo, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: This is is completely true. This is absolutely a thing

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Speaker 3: to do some underground shenanigans or construction and to explain

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well, I think that's it's interesting because what

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting just to read about this, and again

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Speaker 2: There's another one written about by George Shilcock for NPR

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Speaker 2: this right now. Massive two hundred and fifty million dollar

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Speaker 2: and it has a picture on here of one part

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Speaker 3: So thank you again, Hidalgo so much, and for everybody

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Speaker 3: Have you ever heard of this? Idea of Cuban missile

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Speaker 2: see a tour.

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Speaker 3: It was construction ended. It actually wasn't around for a

436
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: long time. So the Cuban missile crisis, if we're back

437
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: in our hypothetical Dave and Busters, the cub miss out

438
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: crisis occurs in October of nineteen sixty two. The Nike

439
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 3: site that we're mentioning here was completed in sixty five.

440
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: So it's an obvious reaction to this. Yes, as Matt said,

441
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: you can for this, but it also shows us the

442
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: tip of the iceberg. Right to whip out that old cliche.

443
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: As we know, the majority of any proper iceberg is

444
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 3: submerged and is hidden and This is why, to answer

445
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: your question, Jimothy, this is why we genuinely believe what

446
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: your coworkers are saying. If there are sites like this

447
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: decommissioned accessible to the public. This Nike site is actually

448
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 3: run by the National Park Service, so shout out to them.

449
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 3: We're big fans. If there's stuff like this that is

450
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 3: already in the public sphere, then of course there were

451
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Speaker 3: other things. You don't just build one of these, you

452
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like if you if you want

453
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: to have a navy, you don't just build one boat.

454
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: If you want to have an air force, you don't

455
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 3: buy just one Sesna, right you. You gotta have some backup.

456
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: So all that to say, absolutely, secret underground construction is real.

457
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 3: It is a thing. We cannot for sure confirm the

458
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Speaker 3: statements these politicians and forensic economists make in our episode

459
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 3: on secret underground cities or networks thereof, but we can

460
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: confirm it does happen. We can confirm it's possible, and

461
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: you should always wonder, just like Matt, about exactly what

462
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: it is going. Bump in the night, that's what we

463
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Speaker 3: call it, segue, that's our id break.

464
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Speaker 2: I think, bump in the night. What could this ad

465
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Speaker 2: be let's find out and we've returned. And Jimothy, just

466
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Speaker 2: to stick with you for one more moment. We were

467
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: ruminating there about the potential of missile bases hanging out

468
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: pretending to be oil rigs. We just found something from

469
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Speaker 2: navalnews dot com. This is from April thirteenth, twenty twenty four,

470
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Speaker 2: written by Aaron Matthew Lariosa. This, well, I'll just read

471
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: the headline, concept turns oil rigs into mobile missile defense

472
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: and supply bases. And this is talking about a company

473
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: called Gibbs and Cox that wants to address an issue

474
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: that the US Navy is having with capacity issues in

475
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Speaker 2: armament and resupply in the Western Pacific by quote converting

476
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: surplus oil rigs into heavily armed mobile missile and resupply bases.

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Speaker 2: It is a thing they call the MODEP concept or

478
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Speaker 2: the Mobile Defense Depot Platform concept. It presented this at

479
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: Sea air Space twenty twenty four. It it looks very interesting.

480
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: The concept is just turned the oil rig into a

481
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: really cool floating military base. But I can imagine at

482
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Speaker 2: a place like that, if you're going to already arm

483
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: it and get it ready, you could also arma it

484
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: with not just missile defense, but missile offense. Just putting

485
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 2: that out there, look it up, going back into the void.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. I mean it makes sense. It's a logical

487
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: thing to do, is it not. And I believe that

488
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: we have another Oh gosh, if it's okay with everybody,

489
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: how about we go to another voicemail while we're on

490
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: the subject of underground construction and missiles and shenanigans.

491
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: Oh yes, let's jump to the phone lines again. Indeed,

492
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: this time we're going to hear from Pure UK. You

493
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: were send us a message about something very particular, not

494
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: in Ohio, but this time in Texas, a very cool

495
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: thing in Texas. And since we've been talking about Nike

496
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: missile basis. Wait, this makes perfect sense. Let's jump to

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Speaker 2: Pure Hi.

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Speaker 6: My name is Pure pu r E. I just got

499
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Speaker 6: done listening to the episode of Underground Bunkers and you

500
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Speaker 6: may have already gotten a call on this one, but

501
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 6: there is a very large underground bunker complex underneath the

502
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Speaker 6: University of North Texas in the city of Denton and

503
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Speaker 6: the County of Denton. I'm not sure how big it is,

504
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 6: but I've seen maps where people claim to have ventilation

505
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 6: shafts that even if they move a reasonable distance, the

506
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 6: area is huge. You can find these locations where they've

507
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 6: capped off certain spots in a strange playground or in

508
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 6: the back of a church.

509
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: In a parking lot.

510
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 6: But I've seen where those supposed vent relation shafts are

511
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 6: in this map, and it is massive. It is there,

512
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 6: and it used to be a missile site, I think

513
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 6: for Nike missiles. I'm not sure, but he used to

514
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 6: be a missile site. He was built in the fifties,

515
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 6: but it's still there. He used to be able to

516
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 6: see the entry ways from the highway that's thirty five

517
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 6: going by the campus and it's never been destroyed. It's

518
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 6: still there, and frankly, I'd love to get inside it.

519
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 6: So anyway, so I want to let you know. Thanks

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Speaker 6: for the show.

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00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 6: Love it, always listen to it. Give up the good work.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Pierre, Yes, thank you, indeed so Pure. Well,

524
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: then let's jump right into what you're saying here. Pure,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at the Dent County Office of History and Culture.

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Speaker 2: Their blog. Oh wow. The url is Denton Countyhistory Andculture

527
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: dot WordPress dot com. You can find it. This article

528
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: is about Denton's Nike missile base. So indeed, you were correct, Pure,

529
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: these were for Nike missiles at least this particular base.

530
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: Hopefully this is the one we're talking about. It goes

531
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Speaker 2: back to November ninth, nineteen fifty eight, that is when

532
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: ground was broken on this site. It's on the outskirts

533
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 2: of Denton. It was in operation for ten years nineteen

534
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: fifty nine to nineteen sixty nine, and it had both

535
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: conventional and nuclear weapons. Oh yeah, this is one of

536
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: two hundred bases for Nike missiles across the US. Pretty awesome.

537
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: Supposed to protect the continental United States, you know, to

538
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: maintain that sovereignty thing from any form of air assault,

539
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: including nuclear air assault.

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Speaker 3: Right yeah, so Pure this is now something you can

541
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Speaker 3: take a virtual tour of at least part of it,

542
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 3: the Nike aspect in particular. But it is under the

543
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: management of FEMA at this point, the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

544
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 3: And there was a great quote I read about this

545
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: from basically pr guy for FEMA, the information specialist Earl Armstrong,

546
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 3: who talks about how this facility came to be. So

547
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: it's there are two related facilities, right. What we're seeing

548
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 3: when we're talking about these doors welded shut and this

549
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: weird stuff at playgrounds. It's because there's more than one

550
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 3: thing underground in the Denton area, all right. There's the

551
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: Nike missile base, and then there is a facility that

552
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: was built for federal employees to bunker down during a

553
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: possible nuclear attack. This height of the Cold War, right,

554
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 3: And our buddy Earl Armstrong from FEMA says when he's

555
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: talking about this hideout spot, he says, it has to

556
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: be a certain distance away from a major metropolitan area, right,

557
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: So Denton makes sense for Dallas, and it has to

558
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: be close to a Nike missile battery. And at the

559
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: time they said that they were constructing this hideout, there

560
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: was a missile battery just three or four miles from

561
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: the area. So Matt is absolutely correct with the Nike site,

562
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: and pure you are absolutely correct that there's a lot

563
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: of other weird stuff going on. So the hideout for

564
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: the Fed employees, it's built in I want to say

565
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 3: it was nineteen sixty one. It's essentially a fortress underground.

566
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 3: It is designed to get this guy's survive a one

567
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: megaton nuclear blast within just a mile of the facility.

568
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 3: That is insane. Check out our earlier episode on how

569
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Speaker 3: to Survive a Nuclear war. This is ethics Aciety. This

570
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: is kind of cool. I like this stuff. I'm into

571
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: the idea of having a bunker, given that Tennessee and

572
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: I both spent a lot of time in Tennessee where

573
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: there are some off the grid people. Matt, I love

574
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Speaker 3: to ask Dylan here, Dylan, do you know anybody as

575
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: vega as you want to be who has a bunker

576
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: or a compound.

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Speaker 4: I've visited a bunker when I was a child. He

578
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 4: was a dentist. It was in northeast Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course it was, Matt. Do you know anybody

580
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Speaker 3: that you're willing to mention on air?

581
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Speaker 2: I have no comment on those facilities as of this moment.

582
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: I do have a comment on the Denton thing. Just

583
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: if you want to learn more about that, head over

584
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Speaker 2: to ksat dot com the article. There is Cold War

585
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: era underground government facility in Denton built to survive nuclear attack,

586
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: and it is in fact home to FEMA's Region six headquarters.

587
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: This thing is really cool because it was supposed to

588
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: house up to five hundred people for thirty days, so

589
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: it is designed to be a thing that it's exactly

590
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 2: the underground cities that we described in that episode where

591
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: it will function in a time of emergency, And it

592
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: makes sense that you'd have to be in proximity to

593
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: those Nike missile bases to protect it from those nukes,

594
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: because a nuke going off a mile from it is

595
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: worst case scenario, right. The best thing that could happen

596
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: is you stop the nukes initially, and then you can

597
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: continue operating underground from that site to do whatever it

598
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: is you need to do to either launch more missiles

599
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: as offense or just restart the government once all the

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Speaker 2: fires go out.

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Speaker 3: Cog continua continue its a government. Also shout out to

602
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Speaker 3: the journalist Tim Gerber, who is who is the author

603
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: of the case at article we're referencing. You can, by

604
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: the way, folks, you can take virtual shelter tours courtesy

605
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 3: of Civil Defense Museum dot com. You can see a

606
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: bunch of them. So if you want to lose a

607
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 3: few hours and get into a rabbit hole just like

608
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: we do, then crack open your favorite beverage, you know,

609
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: put your phone on do not disturb, and go look

610
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 3: underground with us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird to think so. In the case of

612
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: the aqueducts, we're talking hundreds of feet below or you know,

613
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: over one hundred feet below the surface. In this case,

614
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: the two floors of this facility are only fifty eight

615
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: feet down. Fifty thousand square feet fifty eight feet down.

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Speaker 2: That's huge. I always think about my first my first

617
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: house that I lived in there was a thousand square

618
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: feet and it was a tiny little house. But I

619
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Speaker 2: know exactly how big a thousand square feet is because

620
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Speaker 2: of that house was one floor and there wasn't much

621
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Speaker 2: to it, right, So I can I can imagine that,

622
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Speaker 2: But then imagining fifty of those, you know, stacked up

623
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Speaker 2: on each other and then threw out a certain you know,

624
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Speaker 2: I guess twenty five of them in a row. That

625
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: is massive and so much stone to move. And I

626
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: wonder how you can keep that quiet enough when you're

627
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: talking about only fifty eight feet down. Maybe maybe my

628
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: concepts of the sounds and the vibrations that a drill

629
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: like that that you would need for that, maybe my

630
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 2: concept that is just completely off.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm pure. I add to the logo

632
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: actually all of us tonight, I would again point to

633
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: the example of Oak Ridge, right also check out our

634
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: earlier episode on hidden cities called it Oh the Places

635
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 3: you Can't Go right, and one of our pal Noll's

636
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: favorite examples of that is is Russian. So this goes deep.

637
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: It goes deeper than the rocket, goes deeper than the

638
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 3: stuff under your feet. I propose that we take a

639
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: break for a word from our sponsors and maybe switch

640
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: gears entirely, because we've got some homework folks on all

641
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: this stuff underground, so we're gonna have to update it

642
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:13,399
Speaker 3: an episode, but for now, if we're all okay with it,

643
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 3: maybe we go to the concept of selling one's soul

644
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: and we've returned. So, as we mentioned in previous programs,

645
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: we did we always try to do something special around Halloween,

646
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: the most wonderful time of the year, and we decided

647
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: to write an episode about the nature of selling one

648
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: soul and Matt Dylan I think we were all surprised

649
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Speaker 3: by how nuanced that became. Do we remember this one?

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Speaker 2: I do, yes, yeah, all kinds of different selling of

651
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Speaker 2: the soul that can occur.

652
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Speaker 4: Shout out to Robert Johnson, Yeah.

653
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, shout out to the crossroads. We asked you

654
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: or fellow listeners to give us your insights about something

655
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: that can be touchy and metaphysical and you know, very

656
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: important to a lot of people. And we endeavored, I

657
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: definitely endeavored to be very respectful and to open when

658
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 3: we were exploring something that means so much to so

659
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: many people. We asked, you answered, let's go to Pastor Banks.

660
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: Pastor Banks says, and we're giving you that name. Pastor,

661
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: I hope it's okay. Pastor Banks says, Yo. Just listen

662
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 3: to the Halloween episode. It was great. Love the stories

663
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: and the old Americanta folklore is definitely my favorite. I

664
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: know lore has some of the best storytelling in that

665
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: space in my opinion. You guys have had them on before. Right.

666
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 3: Let's pause there, because folks, you should know that none

667
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: other than our pal, mister Matt f is a executive

668
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: producer of our work with Grim and Mild and Aaron Banking.

669
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: That is correct lore. We do not touch. That is Aaron's.

670
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: That is this thing he created, and he is the

671
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: full creator and executive pducer and all that stuff for

672
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 2: that show. But on other shows like Unobscured, Grim and

673
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 2: Mild Presents Countet of Curiosities, American Shadows, there are a

674
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: lot of them that we've created over the years with Aaron,

675
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 2: and you can check them all out right now. I

676
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: would highly recommend the Unobscured series. It's a deep dive

677
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: into a topic over a whole season. It's very good stuff.

678
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: All bangers stem to stern. Pastor Banks continues and says regardless.

679
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: Near the end of the episode, some thoughts about christian

680
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: theology came up. Are you just selling your soul to

681
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: the good guy? How can you sell your soul if

682
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: you don't own it? And Pastor Banks, we really appreciate this.

683
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 3: I don't want to spotlight myself too much, but that

684
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 3: was one of my main questions from the research or

685
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: that series of questions. And so you continue, you say,

686
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Speaker 3: I'm a pastor and wanted to offer a few thoughts. First.

687
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Speaker 3: I wanted to say that the type of Christianity you

688
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: all often hit on is, in my opinion, not in

689
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Speaker 3: line with the teachings of Jesus. And I think that

690
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: actually aligns with your question a bit. There's a scripture

691
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Speaker 3: Matthew six twenty four, not Matthew Frederick Matthew from the

692
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Speaker 3: Bible that says, quote, no one can serve two masters

693
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Speaker 3: for a slave will either hate the one and love

694
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Speaker 3: the other, or be devoted to the one and despise

695
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Speaker 3: the other. You cannot serve God and wealth and matt

696
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Speaker 3: At this point, Pastor Banks delves into some really important

697
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Speaker 3: translation stuff. He says, the word that gets translated as

698
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 3: wealth is actually speaking of the ancient god of Mammon

699
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: or greed, the money you trust in. I think at

700
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: this point we've got to shout out of our favorite

701
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: graphic novels.

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00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: Right yeah, Black Monday Murders. They use Mammon a lot

703
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: in there as a placeholder for the big bad.

704
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Speaker 3: Right yeah, just so what a great story? Do you

705
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 3: think they'll ever finish it?

706
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: Never? I have to think that way so that when

707
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: it comes out I'll be surprised and elated.

708
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: There we go, There we go, and shout out to

709
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Speaker 3: everybody who's been having those conversations about George R. R.

710
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 3: Martin and Winds of Winter.

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Speaker 2: Well, so, just looking at this, Pastor Banks and thinking

712
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: about that scripture from Matthew, whom I am named after,

713
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: by the way, thank you so much Matthew for your

714
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: contributions to the Bible. As now I have a name.

715
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Speaker 2: This is really cool that it's greed itself. I think

716
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 2: it speaks a lot to the current state of religion

717
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: in general, but also a particular form of Christianity in

718
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: the world right now, where creed appears to be a

719
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 2: thing that is unfortunately at the heart of some of

720
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Speaker 2: the activities and say expansions of megachurches and such things spinoffs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Pastor Banks, I owe you a response because we've

722
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 3: been in discourse for a minute here and I would

723
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Speaker 3: love to hear what you think about prosperity theology, Greflo Dollar,

724
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: all those guys. Oh, we have an episode on that

725
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: as well. The issue here is that you're building off this,

726
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: Pastor Banks, and you're saying that the devil or Satan

727
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: from scripture has Chatan or whatever is a personified figure

728
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: at times, but more often is a stand in for

729
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: a generalized evil or an enemy of the way of God.

730
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Speaker 3: And that's a phrase you use that really I hope

731
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Speaker 3: hit all of us, but it definitely hit me, because

732
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: first it's beautiful writing, and secondly, Pastor Banks, you explain it,

733
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 3: you say, what is the way of God? It's Matthew

734
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: five seven, Sermon on the Mount self sacrificial love that

735
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 3: puts all people, including your enemies. First, it's a way

736
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: that advocates for love, equal rights for all people, even

737
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: those we disagree with, justice, etc. And this is where

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Speaker 3: you build pastor banks to a culmination statement. You say,

739
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: So that's all to say. When I think of modern

740
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: people who have sold their soul, I think of people

741
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 3: who have decided to serve money over other people. Maybe

742
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 3: billionaires is the best example. They take what they want,

743
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 3: even at the expense to others and the world around them.

744
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: They've sold their soul to Mammon, which is a satan

745
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: or adversary of God. So to answer those original two questions,

746
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Speaker 3: I believe, yes, God does own your soul because God

747
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: creates you. But I don't think own is the right word.

748
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: If God created you, designed you, then they designed you

749
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Speaker 3: for God. But they also designed you to have free will.

750
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Speaker 3: God does not create slaves or robots. God creates free

751
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 3: agents neat. You know, Calvinists and fans of predeterminism would disagree,

752
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 3: But I think it's worth airing this because it's it's

753
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: something to think about, especially as you know, just real

754
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 3: world here on the ground, prices for everything or skyrocketing

755
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: for people. Wealth disparity is putting folks in non ideal situations,

756
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: and it just it really hit me folks to hear

757
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: from a pastor explaining stuff in such a kind of

758
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 3: generous way.

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00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, pastors are generally awesome, the ones I've met,

760
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: at least. There's a wealth of knowledge there, and you know,

761
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: knowledge of scripture, but also a wealth of usually wisdom

762
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: from life experience, and it's really cool and those things

763
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: come together weirdly. This is an offshoot, guys, but Pastor

764
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: Banks Ben, I'm taking this back to Age of Disclosure

765
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 2: really quickly when we're talking about this and creating free agents,

766
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: the concept of being created by you know, a godhead,

767
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: a figure like that. One of this is a bit

768
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: of a spoiler, but I think it's okay. The unspoken

769
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: thing at the heart of Age of Disclosure the documentary

770
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: is that these beings that they're talking about who have

771
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 2: created this technology, at least according to what is known

772
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 2: by some of the people talking, is that they have

773
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: been around on planet Earth far before hominids, you know,

774
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: rose up and walked around on two feet. And the

775
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: concept there that they don't outright say is that these beings,

776
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: these ancient creatures, are the ones that actually caused humanity

777
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: to become what it is now, Like they are the

778
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 2: cause of our genetic changes that made our brains work

779
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: in the way that they do that allow.

780
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: The metaphysical environmental pressures.

781
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: Yes, and if that were true, because they talk about

782
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: how the big scary thing for the government is that

783
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: the chaos that would arise out of the knowledge that

784
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: aliens exist and they've been here for so long and

785
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: they are perhaps our creator. This concept that maybe the

786
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: god we're speaking about or gods are actually this ancient

787
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 2: biological creature, you know, that was here before us, rather

788
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: than some more metaphysical thing that exists out there like

789
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 2: a force of some sort.

790
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Speaker 3: Hashah mari Yahweh is a collective architect exactly.

791
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: So the possibility that that knowledge, if proven to be

792
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: absolute and true, would just upend everything. And I just

793
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: I do wonder, like how, just a question to you,

794
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: pastor Banks and to anybody else listening that has a

795
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: theological background like that in whatever religion, what would that

796
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 2: knowledge due to your understanding of how the universe functions

797
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: and what souls are and what we are and all

798
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: of this, Like, how if that were proven to be true,

799
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: what would it do because the government is really scared

800
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: of it.

801
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: And Pastor Banks in our discourse again, I owe you

802
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: have some homework here. We did discuss We discussed some

803
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 3: deep stuff, and I wish we could have a way

804
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 3: to share that discourse in full for all of our

805
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: fellow listeners. But if you're interested in these conversations, let

806
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: us know, hit me up directly and we'll get you.

807
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 3: We'll get you. In the conversation, we were talking about

808
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: predestination or determinism. It's called not predeterminism, which would be redundant.

809
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 3: It's like saying vin number ATM machine. You did such

810
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: a phenomenal job tying in escalating wealth disparity and the

811
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: nature of the soul. I also want to, as I

812
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,880
Speaker 3: said in our correspondence, I want to shout out American Shadows,

813
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: featuring none other than our pal Lauren Vogelbaum and back

814
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen. If you like, folks, you can tune

815
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 3: into our show where we interview the creator of Law,

816
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 3: Aaron Menke, For I believe in exploration about the Salem

817
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 3: witch trials you know from earlier. We also agree with

818
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 3: the premise here that the idea of following in the

819
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 3: ways of something divine versus falling astray. It does make

820
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,240
Speaker 3: sense because it holds to mind the idea of true

821
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: damnation not being you know, a bunch of guys poking

822
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 3: you with pitchforks in the butt. But it's the distance

823
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: or the absence from the Holy And of course we

824
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: have to say it. The words of Jesus Christ, whether

825
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 3: you are a Christian or not. The words of Jesus

826
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: Christ get misquoted and weaponized all the time by all

827
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 3: sorts of cynical grifters. But I always found it interesting

828
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 3: Matt Dylan, Pastorbanks and all of us listening at home,

829
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Speaker 3: I always find it interesting that when you meet holy people,

830
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Speaker 3: whether they're practicing Sikhism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, you name

831
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Speaker 3: a religion, you name someone who studies that religion, you

832
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 3: bring up the stuff that Jesus Christ is documented saying

833
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:03,760
Speaker 3: in Christianity, and overwhelmingly these people who are not Christian

834
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: will say, I don't know, man, he makes some great points.

835
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 3: I agree with it. Maybe you just shouldn't put money

836
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 3: over people. I think that's really cool. I think sometimes

837
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: the apparent divides in human civilization, especially they're fabricated. They

838
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: don't really exist. They're articles of faith, you know, like

839
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 3: the little lines on interstates. Nothing's stopping you from swerving.

840
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 3: You're just pretending those lines matter. Dude.

841
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: I go back to the Book of Matthew and just

842
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: like Pastor Banks, think about how different our world would

843
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: be if Matthew five through seven was how our world functions.

844
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: Rather than competition, collect everything you can get the coolest stuff,

845
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: do the most exciting things. Doesn't matter what anybody else

846
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: is doing. You just focus on that and be awesome,

847
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: do awesome, make money, you know, live fast, die young,

848
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: blah blah blah, blah blah, all that stuff.

849
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: Noel would say, move fast and break things.

850
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, whatever it is, whatever lyric you want to

851
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 2: pull from, or any of that stuff that is popularized nowadays.

852
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: Our world would be massively different, and you're getting closer

853
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: towards like the Star Trek stuff, which is interestingly so secular.

854
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 2: But all you have to do is use that pretty

855
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: simple principle of love everybody, literally everybody, no matter how

856
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: you perceive them to be, or how you think they're

857
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: treating you, or what they want from you and all

858
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: that other stuff. Treat everybody with love and dang, hey,

859
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: we're doing pretty good here. I think. I don't know,

860
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: maybe that's one of those, you know, pictures of a

861
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 2: utopian place that ends up being a nightmare, But at

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Speaker 2: least from my perspective, it feels pretty good.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a perspective that goes beyond an individual.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure that many people imagine that, or I hope

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Speaker 3: that we do. The reason passerbakes, the reason I'm setting

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Speaker 3: up a little bit of a ted talkie word salady

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Speaker 3: monologue compay traffic to the nature of behavior and righteousness

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Speaker 3: in the human soul is because of an excellent line

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Speaker 3: you sent us later in our discourse, where you said

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Speaker 3: you're referencing again, Matthew, this time twenty five thirteen through thirty,

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Speaker 3: the parable of the talents. You say, how do you

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Speaker 3: use the soul that you get? I guess if we

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Speaker 3: see existence or our soul as a gift, then ethically

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Speaker 3: it should be yours to do with it what you please.

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Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean there won't be natural consequences for

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Speaker 3: your actions. Pausing here, great point, going back to the

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Speaker 3: First Amendment, Freedom of speech is not the same thing

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Speaker 3: as freedom consequence. So you continue Pastor Banks, you say,

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Speaker 3: like a kid that is given a car on their

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Speaker 3: sixteenth birthday, so they follow the speed limit and drive

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Speaker 3: safely and take care of it. Or do they drive

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Speaker 3: like a maniac and crash it off the side of

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Speaker 3: the road. The consequences don't come from the parents god

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Speaker 3: hushem in this example, but instead because of the natural

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Speaker 3: consequences of driving like a maniac, death or evil in

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Speaker 3: this example. I feel like there's so much more to

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Speaker 3: get to on this one. We're going to write you back.

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Speaker 3: Fellow conspiracy realists, please join in on the conversation here.

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Speaker 3: We do want to share Pastor Banks words that just

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Speaker 3: to confirm as he says, he does not ascribe to

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Speaker 3: the Calvinist total depravity idea that says humans are wicked. Instead,

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Speaker 3: like us, Pastor Banks says, people are good and generally

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Speaker 3: desire good, you know, And I think that's an important

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Speaker 3: thing to remember. Most people you meet, the vast majority

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Speaker 3: of people, they want better stuff for their kids, right,

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Speaker 3: they want security, safety, food, water, shelter, and given the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to grow, given the opportunity to not have a

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Speaker 3: horrible day all the time, they're going to be incredibly

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Speaker 3: intelligent and empathetic and they're really going to impress you.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a little emotional. That's weird. I have one

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Speaker 3: emotion left for this year and I'm trying not to

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Speaker 3: spend it right now.

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Speaker 2: But congratulations on getting one. It's a big deal.

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Speaker 3: And thank you to Calamity Chris who confirmed our story

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Speaker 3: about Dragon's teeth and gave a nice shout out to

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Speaker 3: Star Trek and none other than Max the Freight Trade Williams.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Jimothy Pastor Banks Hidalgo Pure and shout

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Speaker 3: out to you, fellow conspiracy realist. We are off to

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Speaker 3: knock tivigate. We can't wait for you to join us

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Speaker 3: in a future episode or a future listener mail program.

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Speaker 3: meds should thou sip you can send us an email.

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Speaker 3: We'll tell you about that in a second. You can

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Speaker 3: also call us on a telefotic device of your choice.

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Speaker 2: Yes, our number is one eight three three std WYTK.

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Speaker 2: It is a voicemail system. When you call in, you've

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Speaker 2: got three minutes, give yourself a cool nickname and let

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Speaker 2: say in print, why not send us those via email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities that read each piece of correspondence

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Speaker 3: we receive. Be well aware yet unafraid. Sometimes the avoid

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Speaker 3: rights back before we get to it. Hey, Tennessee, how

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Speaker 3: do we do today?

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Speaker 4: Excellent job boys as always well lit and joy sitting

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Speaker 4: in on this and listener Mail's one of my favorite

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Speaker 4: times of the week. Thanks every bud who rode in.

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Speaker 3: We've got to get to that compound in northeastern Tennessee. Actually,

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Speaker 3: you know, now that I think about it, we might

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Speaker 3: vaguely be cousins. Anyway. There we are conspiracy at iHeartRadio

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