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Speaker 1: Tour announcement starts now. This is George. Just a reminder

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Speaker 1: that you can see my dear co host Sam Taggart

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Speaker 1: on tour this summer, starting in July in San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C, Philly, Chicago, Pittsburgh, and Boston and Hot off

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Speaker 1: the Presses. You can also see me, George Severes, do

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Speaker 1: a few small shows this August in anticipation for my

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Speaker 1: own tour that's happening later on in the fall. But

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Speaker 1: this August I will be in New York, LA and

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Speaker 1: Get This East Hampton on August thirtieth. So if you

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Speaker 1: want to see me in New York, LA or East Hampton,

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Speaker 1: tickets are at linktree dot com slash George Severs. The

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Speaker 1: link is in my Instagram bio. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to see Sam on tour, you can find that at

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Speaker 1: linktree dot com slash get This Sam Taggart and that

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Speaker 1: link is in his Instagram bio.

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 1: We love symmetry, folks. Well enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: Podcast starts now.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to Sleepytown, USA, folks. Because we just had lunch.

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Speaker 2: We had lunch from.

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Speaker 1: Tender Greens, not a sponsor, but they do make kind

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Speaker 1: of mediocre food, so we would be happy to shout

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Speaker 1: them out, and I'd be happy to change my opinion

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Speaker 1: on them at the drop of a hat.

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Speaker 2: I do love when people are good.

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Speaker 1: At that about changing their opinion of the drop, because.

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Speaker 2: There are some taste makers that we know personally, even

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Speaker 2: who they'll shit talk till the cows come home, and

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Speaker 2: then they say, but this one I actually really like.

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Speaker 2: You say oh, why, and it's like, oh, I know

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Speaker 2: why they invited you to the big relief.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen that before. I've never known anyone we

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Speaker 1: know to be dishonest in any way, you know, especially

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Speaker 1: when it comes to cash being involved. Oftentimes I find

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Speaker 1: the richer people who get, the more honest they get,

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Speaker 1: and the better politics they have.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's actually even sadder the money.

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Speaker 2: On the one end, of course, I understand, yeah, of

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Speaker 2: course I'll throw out any morals for money. But what

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Speaker 2: I don't understand is being like, oh, I was invited

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Speaker 2: to that event, so now I've changed my tune. It's

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Speaker 2: like you're that week, Well you you won't be a

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Speaker 2: hater just because they invite you to their event. I

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Speaker 2: hate on my friends.

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Speaker 1: Their events.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm still preferring them as my friends.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to their homes. I'm saying the decor here

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Speaker 1: is not good. Flop Tina, you need to take stock

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Speaker 1: of your life and redecorate.

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Speaker 2: But I would never tell that then to their face,

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Speaker 2: of course.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, my instinct is always to completely recalibrate my opinion

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Speaker 1: based on an event, and I've been and I think

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Speaker 1: something I respect about you is that you don't recalibrate

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Speaker 1: your opinion based on event, and often you have an

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Speaker 1: even more negative opinion coming out of the event because

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Speaker 1: you go to the event. You're saying, Wow, I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know this person was, this brand was the type

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Speaker 1: to host such a flop event. Now I like them

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Speaker 1: even less.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really sad.

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Speaker 1: Do you find that you are offended? You don't have

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Speaker 1: a Chipotle partnership yet, considering how much money you give

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Speaker 1: them monthly, I'm one.

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Speaker 2: Of the few who is a remaining Chipotle Stan.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're Chipottle. Uh what's the word? You're Chipotle not

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Speaker 1: ally ship, I don't know, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like partner ambassador.

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Speaker 1: No, you're Chipotle loyalty Yeah, thank you me. You're Chipotle

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Speaker 1: loyalty is so strong that you moved to La which

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Speaker 1: does have very good Mexican food. But because it's so

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Speaker 1: grandfathered in that Chipotle is readio for brito and good.

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Speaker 2: But I don't need good. This is what everyone's everyone's

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Speaker 2: making a mistake.

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Speaker 1: You They think that Chipotle is on the same spectrum

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Speaker 1: as like a good burrito. You're saying it's a different thing.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not even saying that. I'm saying, like, when

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Speaker 2: I am forced to eat lunch, which I am forced

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Speaker 2: what my body has done to me, I get starving.

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Speaker 2: And then it's like someone's like, well, what do you

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Speaker 2: want something good? I'm like, no, I want what is walkable,

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Speaker 2: When someone's like, well, let's get a good thing, I'm

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Speaker 2: like that to then like, now it's a homework assignment.

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Speaker 2: I just like look up what's good. I have to

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Speaker 1: That is the unfortunate thing with lunch is that gun

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Speaker 1: to my head. Would I welcome it being automated?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And now you know I'm not inhuman because I

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Speaker 1: definitely want dinner to be fun. I don't want dinner

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Speaker 1: to be automated. And that's this is this is where

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Speaker 1: I come out on the you know, AI and automation debate.

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Speaker 1: You know, automate lunch make dinner even more human. Let's

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Speaker 1: mix it up even more.

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Speaker 2: Let's do I want lunch American style? Yes? And I

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Speaker 2: want dinner European staring style.

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Speaker 1: We're in Paris, giant pagette. Two hours customers never right,

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Speaker 1: it's three hours of WAI or spitch.

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Speaker 2: Wait a right, yeah, no one's right, No one's right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I know this is like I've complained about

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Speaker 2: this one billion times, and we'll continue to breakfast. I

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Speaker 2: want to pill lunch. I want to pill then dinner.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I'm down for fun.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't want to pill for breakfast.

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Speaker 2: I have a pill?

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Speaker 1: You want to pill for breakfast?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Basically all I'm doing today? You want to know what

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Speaker 1: How are you gonna jump start your day with a pill?

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Speaker 2: I ate eggs as fast as possible to the way

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Speaker 2: it maybe nauseaus. I said, this is disgusting, and then

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Speaker 2: I went to the gym.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, I where do I even begin? If you're

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Speaker 1: gonna eat as fast as possible. You gotta go yogurt

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Speaker 1: or cottage cheese, or maybe toast with butter and honey

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Speaker 1: put granola in it, it's not enough. It is enough,

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Speaker 1: good fruit in it as well. Sliced up a banana,

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Speaker 1: put in some raspberries and strawberries. Put in some you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of an artismal honey from Vermont.

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Speaker 2: You know what's enough, be pollen Chipotle. When you are

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Speaker 2: each bole, I'm saying thank you, this was enough.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well I'm also saying thank you. I have diarrhea

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Speaker 1: for five weeks.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's true. I don't want to be that type

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Speaker 2: of person that's like, oh, Chipoli diarrhea, because you know,

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Speaker 2: but then today I did wake up with a very

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Speaker 1: It's because you had Chipotle literally yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was like, what's weird? I've been so

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Speaker 1: Speaking of lunch being automated something that I have done.

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Speaker 1: I've I'm actually shocked on about to admit this on

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Speaker 1: gym sells little boxes of like baked chicken tenders that

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Speaker 1: are bad that are for jim bros. That just want protein,

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Speaker 1: Like they're like non fried chicken tenders that have some

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Speaker 1: now I'm doing that like not infrequently really, and that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that checks out for me. You know, there's something

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Speaker 2: No vegetarian. Of course those days are behind me.

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Speaker 1: But were you a vegetarian?

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Speaker 2: Yeah for like a like four to five years after college,

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Speaker 2: because I was doing that thing where I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: Being a vegetarian in college and for the three years

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Speaker 1: after college is like how you know, no offense. But

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Speaker 1: various people will have identified as queer in the generation

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Speaker 1: after us, and then we'll be happily married and living

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Speaker 1: in Arkansas by the time they are approximately twenty eight

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Speaker 2: Yeah, legit.

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Speaker 1: But and they'll think and it's like how we think

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Speaker 1: of the hippies, and it's like then the hippies grew

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Speaker 1: wasn't it so fun when we just like randomly were queer?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I love being twenty four. But that being said,

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Speaker 2: sometimes I'm like, I do think of a chicken had

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Speaker 2: to choose, like who's going to eat me? Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would be chosen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So you're saying if they're.

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Speaker 2: Like, okay, I'm no matter what I'm gonna be, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it would be like and they would look at like

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Speaker 2: the gym bro and then like be like do I

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Speaker 2: want to be tenders at equinox in the fridge?

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Speaker 1: Huh?

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Speaker 2: Or do I want to be SAMs chipoli for youdo?

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Speaker 1: I see. So you're saying that a chicken, you know,

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Speaker 1: we should give up on minimizing industrialized farming and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff, like, of course people are eating chicken the

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Speaker 1: a harm reduction model of like, okay, well a chicken

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Speaker 1: is gonna get eaten, wouldn't it be better if it

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Speaker 1: was eaten by a whimsical gig guy? Conadian then you know,

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence, you need to.

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Speaker 2: You have viv points. You no more money. You're catching

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Speaker 2: your viv points to eat me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've long thought that vive should be quantified and

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Speaker 1: based or tax sayving's system, like a tax credit system basically,

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Speaker 1: like I think the moreois de viv you have, you

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Speaker 1: are adding to society more than someone who doesn't have

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Speaker 1: de viv. So then that means that you should be

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Speaker 1: rewarded for it. And I think there's genuinely no way

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Speaker 1: to like fake it because viv aviv. Even let's say

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Speaker 1: you let's say you install the Joua de viv tax

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Speaker 1: credit system, there's no way. It's not like it's you

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Speaker 1: can't do vive fraud in a way that you can

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Speaker 1: do like real estate estate tax fraud.

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Speaker 2: People try to fraud on social media. That's a good point,

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Speaker 2: Like they're like, look how kooky this event was, and

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Speaker 2: it's like, no, it wasn't. Yeah when you weren't fun there, yeah,

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Speaker 2: in fact, you posting that you're losing some VI points.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the question then becomes who's in charge of

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Speaker 1: rating the devill?

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Speaker 2: The minister?

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it can be a politician, because

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Speaker 1: politicians are of course the kings and queens of faking.

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Speaker 1: Jois de viv of doing be a fraud. What is

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Speaker 1: electoral politics if not a mass to vie a fraud campaign.

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Speaker 2: So we system, we need like a panel of judges.

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Speaker 1: I would almost say, like you know how there are

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Speaker 1: people and we know these people in our lives that

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Speaker 1: like unfortunately have too much of an artist's heart to

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Speaker 1: ever hold a full time job. I know many or

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Speaker 1: kind of like go into go into any kind of

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Speaker 1: like financial transaction and come out of it on top.

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Speaker 2: Like they can't even they can't be on having a job.

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Speaker 2: They can't even have a podcast. Yes, no, going somewhere

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Speaker 2: once a week, I'd rather die.

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Speaker 1: When I'm even when I'm watching a video podcast, I

438
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Speaker 1: can say, okay, this is a podcast that was filmed.

439
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: When I'm reading a book, fine, when I'm listening to radio,

440
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,359
Speaker 1: there's something about YouTube where I'm like, how am I

441
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: meant to interpret this? Am I meant to interpret this

442
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 1: through the lens of watching a film, through the lens

443
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Speaker 1: of experiencing an audio book in some capacity?

444
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Speaker 2: Do I judge this against a TV show? Yes?

445
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Speaker 1: Basically, which actually goes back to my aesthetic anxiety, is like,

446
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,640
Speaker 1: what aesthetic category am I engaging with? And I need

447
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,240
Speaker 1: to know so that I can then because guess what

448
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: If I was watching this video podcast and the aesthetic

449
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: category that I had in my mind was late night

450
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 1: talk show, I'd be like this bucks there are no

451
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: bits on camera, where's Jennifer Lawrence, there's a bit about

452
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: the pill? Why aren't why aren't we, you know, throwing

453
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 1: two advertisements about viagra, Like we talked about greens. That's true,

454
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 1: we talk about tender greens, which we like, Okay, but

455
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

456
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's mean.

457
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 1: But then but then it's like, if I'm interpreting this

458
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Speaker 1: as a podcast, I'm like, oh my god, there's video

459
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 1: even better than a ramal podcast. So that is my issue.

460
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Speaker 1: And I think that, and I actually think, what's and

461
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Speaker 1: here I am landing the plane I went straight about.

462
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Speaker 1: It is the lack is not caring about esthetic categories.

463
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 1: It's basically being like, well, I want to learn something.

464
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: I don't care how sure it can be like someone

465
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: talking to camera and then kind of having like some

466
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: poorly produced video and then like sometimes citing things, sometimes

467
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: not citing things, and I don't care about like placing

468
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Speaker 1: that within in an existing history of a form.

469
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure people will get mad at us because The'll

470
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 2: be like, well, this YouTube video actually is really amazing.

471
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this other one is not so point stance.

472
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Speaker 2: But I'm like, there is where do you feel like

473
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Speaker 2: does the word slop apply to any of this?

474
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Speaker 1: What's interesting? And I want to be respectful here of course,

475
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: the thing is, regardless of my own hesitations, some of

476
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: these people actually are doing more work than Ken Burns.

477
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

478
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Speaker 1: Like the term slop has to do with like easily produced,

479
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 1: discardable things, and I don't want to take like to

480
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: me a contra points video. She does so much work

481
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: to get it where it is, and in many ways

482
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: it has more to offer, quite frankly, than like some

483
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: streaming documentary series that's about true crime and they like

484
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: had to make it in two months because it was

485
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Speaker 1: something I was in the news and they want to

486
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Speaker 1: like catch in on it. Yeah, so I almost I'm

487
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: not even making an argument about the quality, if that

488
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: makes sense. But that said, on the other side of that,

489
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Speaker 1: at the very least, a streaming service has some bar,

490
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: whereas YouTube obviously has no bar. So like the ContraPoints

491
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: video can coexist alongside literal slop that's just like nothing

492
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Speaker 1: Like it's just like the pink chicken that McDonald's makes

493
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Speaker 1: to go bring it back to chicken. Yeah, what do you.

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Speaker 2: Think I'm agreeing with all this? I'm like trying to

495
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Speaker 2: think if I have any other take to add, because

496
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Speaker 2: I feel that you nailed it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I can want to the next one, Okay, since we

499
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Speaker 2: have a bunch.

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Speaker 1: Right, next one is, well, it says corduroy trousers and

501
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Speaker 1: or barn codes. I'm actually not sure. Yeah, I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if that means corduroy trousers and or corduroy barn

503
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Speaker 1: coats or like they're being grouped together because they are

504
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Speaker 1: both articles of clothing and it's like corduroy trousers barn coats.

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Speaker 2: I want to do the second one.

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Speaker 1: Barn coats is a grade straight top that is like,

507
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Speaker 1: I'm that's one that if someone brought in, we would

508
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: be excited about it and we would be like, yes,

509
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about here.

510
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: It's just such a loaded piece of clothing. It's obviously

511
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: like preppy. It's like at my college it's very sorority

512
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 2: girl with like the big hunter boots and you like

513
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Speaker 2: pretend you're in London or something.

514
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Speaker 1: So what is your history with barn coats?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I do feel like the time I was

516
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Speaker 2: in college, there was a thing where people were wearing

517
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Speaker 2: vintage ones and it was really chic and cool, and

518
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Speaker 2: so there's a part of me that's always like one

519
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Speaker 2: day I'm gonna do it, and it would be like

520
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: obviously like a guy who's like tatted up on his

521
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Speaker 2: face and then he's like wearing the barn coats, so

522
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Speaker 2: it's like high low like and it's like kind of cool,

523
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 2: Like yeah, I was crazy, and now I wear barn

524
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Speaker 2: coats and have two dogs.

525
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Speaker 1: So for me, this is sort of a out of

526
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Speaker 1: left field. In Greece specifically, barber barn coats are huge really,

527
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: and it's like it's actually like an upper class signifier,

528
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: like in a big way, like the all the like

529
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: rich kids have barber coats, to the point where I

530
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is something so many people around

531
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Speaker 1: me have. I'll go buy one. And I didn't realize

532
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Speaker 1: it was like four hundred dolls. Like I thought that

533
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Speaker 1: there would be something I could buy with like my allowance. Yeah,

534
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of another thing like that that

535
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Speaker 1: Like I don't know enough about jewelry, but to me,

536
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Speaker 1: it's like, let's say all the rich girls have like

537
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: Tiffany bracelets or something, and you think, oh, that must

538
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: be like a thing that teens have, and it turns

539
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: out their moms bought them for them and they're actually

540
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: like super super expensive. Yeah, I so, and I really

541
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Speaker 1: associate I associate it with a kind of like rich

542
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: euro so much so that I I had never quite

543
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: understood the where it came from. The idea that it

544
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: came from, like British horse culture, like British like yeah,

545
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: you know doorsy, yeah, Like the idea that it's even

546
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: outdoors he had never occurred to me, because to me,

547
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: it was like, Oh, what's nice about this is that

548
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: it's like weather proof and so you can wear it.

549
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: And I think I assume one of the reason it's

550
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Speaker 1: popular in Greece is because it's temperate enough that you

551
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: don't need like a puffer in the winter, but you

552
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: do need a jacket, so it would I feel like

553
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: it was people's nice jacket that they had rather than

554
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: like a peacoat.

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00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: There was an exchange student that came to college my

556
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: senior year and he was like British and like cool

557
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: and wore like a you know, a Ratty Smith's T shirt,

558
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: but was also like really intellectual and like he was

559
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 2: in my chasterer class, and we were like obsessed with him,

560
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: and we were like, we're gonna make him our friend.

561
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: And so then we did and he always wore uh

562
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: like ratty barber jacket. Interesting, and I was like, damn,

563
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: he's the coolest guy ever.

564
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you listen to that. That was me

565
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: opening a delicious and refreshing diet coke, which is a

566
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: product I do believe in and I would actually be

567
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: very open to sponsorship. Okay, you said something that I

568
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: think is really really, really important, which is that a

569
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Speaker 1: barber jacket is one of the tattered element of it

570
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: is one of those like a cast iron pan. It's

571
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: one of those things that like acquires dignity and integrity

572
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: with age. Yes, And there's like a whole process involved

573
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: in like quote unquote taking care of it. And it's

574
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: like you don't want it to look new, you want

575
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: it to look like it's been lived in.

576
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: And that to me.

577
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: Is well, I was about to say that to me

578
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: as straight. Let me think if I let me think,

579
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Speaker 1: if I agree with that.

580
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Speaker 2: I think it becomes straight because it's a performance. It's

581
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: like you are like actively sort of like you'll like

582
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: age it, you'll like find ways to agent on purpose

583
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: sort of like it's like the strife of the jacket

584
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: is not real.

585
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: Right, I mean it reminds me of like the concept

586
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: of breaking in loafers or breaking in Doc Martin's or

587
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: guys who are willing to like sell veged denim, and

588
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: it's like there's a whole process, Like they wear it

589
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: around the house so that it can be broken even

590
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: though it makes their like legs bleed.

591
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question regarding British fashion in general.

592
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: Please do I'm an expert, so like plays welcome Alexa

593
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: Chan when like you.

594
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: Know, we're in a conservative swing of course, and that

595
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 2: reflects in our clothes. For example, I'm wearing a yellow

596
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: polo and boat shoes.

597
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: And I'm wearing like olive colored chinos.

598
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like, but sometimes British fashion comes in and out.

599
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah what does that mean politically? Like? What right? What

600
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: is that reflecting in America? When British fashion is in.

601
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, there is also British I mean to me, British

602
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: fashion is also like punk rock stuff. Yes, there's preppy

603
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: British fashion and there's counterculture British fashion. And actually maybe

604
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Is like it's either at any

605
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: given point in America, either preppy British fashion or counter

606
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: culture British fashion is in and maybe that's the bell

607
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: weather of whether we're in a conservative or progressive moment.

608
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Speaker 2: Currently, I feel like British fashion is like generally not

609
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Speaker 2: in let me think like people are being like, no,

610
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Speaker 2: I'm American, right right right, like I work at the docks.

611
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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily I think you're correct. I don't necessarily think.

612
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: It almost is tied to tweet mm hmm, because that's.

613
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Speaker 1: When like we're in a much more Japanese moment. That's

614
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Speaker 1: not to put to find a point on it, but

615
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: I think the people that want to be inspired by

616
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: another country's fashion are going Japan and they're not going London.

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00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If anything, I actually think British people are going New York,

619
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Speaker 1: like British people are being inspired by American fashion interesting,

620
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: and American people are being inspired by a Japanese fashion.

621
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Speaker 2: I'm getting dizzy.

622
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: And you know what else, Okay, if any fashion people

623
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: are listening, shut up. What I have to say is,

624
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: you know the Balenciaga, the Balenciaga vibe that then trickle

625
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: down into like gay guys wearing Solomon's oversized shorts and

626
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 1: like little baby doll Te's. Like what that was co

627
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: opting was actually a sort of like poorer European aesthetic

628
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: of like soccer jersey, off brand, fake designer stuff, ugly

629
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: big sneakers, you know what I mean. And that's not

630
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: from the UK, that's from like Slovenia. It's like, that's

631
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: what that was the European influence that we then brought

632
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: into into high fashion rather than preppy Barbour or whatever.

633
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Speaker 2: Interesting.

634
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?

635
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: I do.

636
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: It was a co opting of like working class you

637
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: know what European.

638
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: I now feel shame about saying, yeah, Eastern European.

639
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: Oh right, I don't know where we stand on that.

640
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Excuse me.

641
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: It's like a coke No, I'm sort of like, is

642
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: that wrong? No, it's fine.

643
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: This is like the the joke that a billion movies

644
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: made in the two thousands, where it's like someone says

645
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: someone is Mexican and another person's like, you can't say that.

646
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: It's like a guilty white woman.

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Speaker 2: Well it's it's even just like I think, honestly, I

648
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: feel like you one time were like, well everyone just

649
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: says Eastern European when they're like trying to sort of

650
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Speaker 2: say something else.

651
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Well, I think there's I do think Eastern European is

652
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: often a shortcut for whether it's Balkan countries, whether it's

653
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Speaker 1: Frankly even certain like Middle Eastern or Asian country like there,

654
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Speaker 1: it's basically like defined in opposition to the big one

655
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: like France, Germany. Like there's normal Europe, there's Eastern. There's

656
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: like white and they're spicy white. And that's basically what

657
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: an American commentator is saying when they say Eastern European.

658
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: There's also there was this almost like meme where people

659
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: love to be like he has a sadness. It's like

660
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: a sadness in the eyes of an Eastern European porn

661
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: actor or something. There's something like depraved about saying Eastern European.

662
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well that was my hesitation basically. Yeah, but

663
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: generally I agree with you and I that my other

664
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: issue is, of course that I don't know what countries

665
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: are in Eastern Europe even and other than the big ones.

666
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: I'm sort of.

667
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: And so that's why it's important to go Japan, England

668
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: end of list. Pick one.

669
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: Bitch.

670
00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want if because I actually think the

671
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: return to I think there was an anxiety around cultural appropriation,

672
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: and that's what brought people back to Europe because like

673
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: white people, like white American people were like, well, I

674
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: don't want to be accused of doing love Angel music

675
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: Baby level appropriation Ala Gwen Stefani. I don't want to

676
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: be accused of you know, any you know, appropriating hip

677
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: hop and streetwear. So what's safe people that are even

678
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: whiter than I am? Yeah, And I wonder if the

679
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: new attend the like Japanese men's wear moment is actually

680
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: like a canary in the coal mine, where now we're

681
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: going to go back into a moment of like rampant

682
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: cultural appropriation.

683
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 2: Well, I even isn't that like already over? I feel

684
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: like the Japanese thing is like yeah, it's already like

685
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: a red flag, Like it's like, okay, you need to

686
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: chill unless you are like Asian in any capacity, you

687
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: need to chill.

688
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you're Asian, you need to chill.

689
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: You can't be wearing a head to toe like Japanese fashion.

690
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: Do we want to talk about? You can't? But and

691
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: yet I want to. And yet I'm like, who do

692
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: what bank? Do I have to rob to get some

693
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: orally button down shirts in this town?

694
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I will be wearing a barber jacket in

695
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: the next ten years.

696
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: But that's I feel like a natural evolution of your style.

697
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 2: It's true.

698
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: One last though about barber please to me, of course

699
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: the cool countercultural thing to do black barber jacket. Really yeah, it's.

700
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: So like, well, this is the big question. It's it's

701
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: a very identity question. When you are to pick your jacket,

702
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: is like do you go traditional or do you get

703
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: the dark one?

704
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: To me, having a black one is so cool, it's

705
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: really it's justin Throau during his like David Lynch.

706
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: Era, Yeah, I see that. For me, I'm like, no,

707
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 2: you gotta get traditional. You wanted to go like the

708
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 2: olive green, olive brown. Yeah, yeah, you gotta.

709
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you gotta. Okay, what do you want to talk

710
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: about Corduroys?

711
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do the next one? Okay, it's like the

712
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 2: same thing.

713
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. The next one is cycling, and then we have

714
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: Southwest Airlines.

715
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Okay. Cycling is interesting because obviously you

716
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: would think periods, period you would think it's gay.

717
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: Why tight, but balls you're serving nights.

718
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: You're serving balls.

719
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: When you're serving button balls.

720
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: You're serving button balls all down the avenue.

721
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: You're serving button balls. All down the avenue.

722
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: And and it's like there's something about it where it's

723
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: like are you cruising, Like there's something about it where

724
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: you're like serving, Yeah, you're serving button balls down the avenue.

725
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: You're going to remote locations. I'm like, why are you

726
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 2: going there?

727
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: Oh?

728
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: I see you see it's funny. I'm imagining competitive cycling,

729
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: like what I think you are crack. I think you

730
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: are correct when I'm wrong. But my immediate image in

731
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: my mind was like Lance Armstrong.

732
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: That's so interesting.

733
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the what's the French one called.

734
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: Tour de Fida France.

735
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm thinking of the Tour de France like

736
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm thinking of like live Strong, bracelet, Lance Armstrong,

737
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: all the gear. But but I think you are correct

738
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: that it's it. I think what this means is more

739
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: like cycling as a hobby for a dad.

740
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: That's what I because in that capacity, I do think

741
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: it's gay, even though it's straight guys doing it, because

742
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: it's like if all, if they were really straight, they

743
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: play football, right, they are, like they're strange, Yeah, they're alt.

744
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 2: If they're like a competitive.

745
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Aca, they're basically like a figure skater. Yeah, I do think.

746
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: But if you're like a guy who like does it,

747
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: like Saturday mornings, you wake up and you go for

748
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: like a twenty mile cycle.

749
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: So my dad is like that, yeah, and it is.

750
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean one of the funniest things, of course, is

751
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: Dad's getting into various hobbies, specifically when those hobbies involve gear,

752
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: and even more specifically when that gear is like gay

753
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: as hell, like the fact that my dad has multiple

754
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: tight little booty shorts with that padded butt.

755
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dad is serving button balls down the.

756
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: Avenue, serving button balls down the avenue boots and then

757
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: it's like and then I'm going to go home to

758
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: my wife. That's not dignified. Well that's because you just

759
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: serve button balls down the avenue all morning long. All men,

760
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Now you're going to go to church.

761
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: All take this generalization. All men crave serving button balls,

762
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: but they aren't allowed to straighten cat You guys get

763
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: their outlet because basically anywhere you go you can serve

764
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: button balls straight don't get deserve button balls. And they're like, well,

765
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: I want to do that too.

766
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: I do think you are right. I think that the

767
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: fact that form aware, you know, think of a traditional

768
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: you're in the suburbs. You're in a traditional marriage form.

769
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: Aware at least a woman can have a little boob bout,

770
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: even if she's very conservative, she's going to church, she

771
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: can have a little boobout. Yes, the man isn't even

772
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: allowed to show what the shape of his body is. No,

773
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: so come Sunday, Yeah, you want to serve some butter.

774
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: Cycling, you're saying the tightest little shorts you got and

775
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: you're serving button ball.

776
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: And I actually think it's more satisfying than even wearing

777
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: a bathing suit, because there's something very unrotic about a

778
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: male bathing suit unless you do it exactly the right way.

779
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: Whereas I think with cycling you're wearing you're doing bondage

780
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: where you're kind of it's er ve lage.

781
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also a solo journey. Yeah, Like you're like,

782
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm having autonomy for once, and part of that

783
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: is I'm running away. I'm running away and I'm having falls. First,

784
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have these thoughts. Yeah, well my balls are showing. Yeah,

785
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: but here I am. It's like the only time they're free. Correct.

786
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think about that where I'm like, I think

787
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 2: about people with children and I am like, oh my god,

788
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: you talk about needing a grant, Like I'm like, if

789
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: I go for a week without like having the best

790
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: day of my life, I'm like, okay, so my life

791
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: is in shambles. Whereas people go years without having the

792
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: best day of their life.

793
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: Do you think there should be grants for leaving your

794
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: children for like a set period of time and that

795
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: makes it socially acceptable. It's like, obviously abandoning your family

796
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: is wrong, but what if you got a grant to

797
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: do something for four months? And it's like, well, I

798
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: have this note from the government, like I can take

799
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: a break from my kids.

800
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: For four months. I absolutely think you should get to

801
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 2: do that. It feels so wrong that you can't do that.

802
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: Imagine having a kid and then trying to plan a vacation.

803
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

804
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: Hell hell, So that's why you take up cycling.

805
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a lot of data activities are

806
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: running away coded, you know what I mean. Like it

807
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: sort of is like even the idea of going for

808
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: a drive, the idea of being into cars at all.

809
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: They're always obsessed with modes of transportation. Yeah, it's like

810
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: you want to leave your family.

811
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: It's very girl where do you think you're going?

812
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: Where do you think you go in?

813
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? But even by then they're like, oh, now I

814
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: want to go back mm hmm. It's like they're testing themselves. Yeah,

815
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: do I really want to be here? I could just

816
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: bike away, right.

817
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: But maybe it's like you're forcing yourself to miss It's

818
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: sort of like microdosing leaving her family. You're forcing yourself

819
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: to go up a mountain and you miss them and

820
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: then you come back. Yeah, you're like, that was scared

821
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: the entire time. You've been contemplating leaving for good. But

822
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: they don't have to know that.

823
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: But also, dads do love gear. Of course, they love

824
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 2: like because they want to shop.

825
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: They want to shop, but they don't want to.

826
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: Do it in a gateway of course. So they're like,

827
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna buy as much gear as I can. Yeah,

828
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: they're like hobby with a bunch of gear is like heaven.

829
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,760
Speaker 2: You know you you you say.

830
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: Oh, look at that woman, she's so wasteful. She got

831
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: a burken bag. Let's add up all your gear.

832
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 2: Let's add up the gear that's sitting in the garage,

833
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: mind you.

834
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: Sitting gathering dust. At least the burkean has you know,

835
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: some tissues in its gaining value. It's getting value.

836
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: It gains more value over time. The vintage ones are better.

837
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so true, which they need to

838
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: fix that. I should be able to buy a vintage

839
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: leather jacket that's five dollars.

840
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: Don't even get me started, although mine is quite affordable.

841
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: For you know, it's crazy. I don't know how you

842
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: manage that. I looked out so cycling. I mean there's

843
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: something okay, here's another thing.

844
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: This is cycling.

845
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, that bike is too skinny. You know what

846
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean?

847
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: What it's too skinny? You mean like like.

848
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: When I look at a mountain bike, I'm like, that's

849
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: what a bike should look like. You need to be

850
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: able to like see the tires.

851
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: This going back.

852
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: My point is it goes back to like it's an outlet.

853
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: It's like a feminine outlet for a straight guys. They

854
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: want to serve balls, balls and butt and they want

855
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: to be skinny, skinny. It's like they're strutting down the

856
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: runway on their skinny bike, serving button balls on the avenue.

857
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: I'm getting it now.

858
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: It's not manly for a bike to be that skinny

859
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: on a bike is.

860
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: A drag performance. Yeah literally, Okay, I get it. Let's

861
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: move on to Southwest Airlines.

862
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,959
Speaker 1: So Southwest Airlines, which obviously is a huge outlier because

863
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: everything else is British coding. No, it's weird. It's like you,

864
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: it's all these British things. And then Southwest Airlines.

865
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 2: Which it's like did you hear about that on TV show?

866
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: Like where where did this come from?

867
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: Or are you in fact? I mean the word trousers,

868
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: of course, is what really throws me off. Like to

869
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: just casually say trousers, that means you literally are British

870
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: or weird. Maybe you're like one of those old fashioned

871
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: like Williamsburg hipsters with the handlebar mustaches, like you've just

872
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: like never grown out of that face. You're just like

873
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: saying trousers because you think it's kind of old timey

874
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: and fun.

875
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope not.

876
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: But or maybe you are fully like half British half

877
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: American or something, or like have a British mom and

878
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: like you grew up with her saying that, but you

879
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: actually grew up in Connecticut.

880
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: I met someone recently who I'm like, always assume no

881
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: one listens, so I'm like, I'll just say whoever. But

882
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: I met someone and he was like, so he grew up,

883
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: he like lived till he was like his parents are American.

884
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: He lived in England until he was like thirteen.

885
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: Well was it Ned?

886
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: No?

887
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: All right, because Ned is like that.

888
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: Oh well then he lived in the Bay Area from

889
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 2: thirteen to whatever till college. Yeah. But talking to him,

890
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: I was like, sometimes he's British accent, sometimes he's American accent.

891
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: And I was like, now this is interesting.

892
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: Well, also, to go from England to the Bay Area,

893
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: it's like that is way too much of a culture shock.

894
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: At least make a stop in New York.

895
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. That's scary to me.

896
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: I've always There was a girl when I when we

897
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: lived in New Jersey whose family moved to London and

898
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: then they moved back, and I was like, that is

899
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: fucking fabulous. Like you so you were just like, I'm

900
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: gonna go become a little British and then I'm gonna

901
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: come back.

902
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I would definitely pick up the accent.

903
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I pick up it's It happens to

904
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: me constantly. One time, when we went on a cruise,

905
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: I developed a Southern accent because a lot of the

906
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: kids I was hanging out with were Southern. When Matthew

907
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: visits my parents, he developed a sort of neutral European

908
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: accent and and the sort of a cadence that's kind

909
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: of like this.

910
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have to watch myself when I'm around

911
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: British people because I'm like, don't do it back to them,

912
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: don't do it back. But it's I wanted. I want

913
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 2: them to feel at home. So Southwest Airlines, is it straight? Yeah?

914
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: I guess to me, what's straight up? Okay?

915
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Obviously, the big controversy is that the gimmick used to

916
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: be we just looked this up. The gimmick used to

917
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: be that you didn't get assigned seats and that you

918
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: got two free checkbags. Yeah, and then the rug was

919
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: pulled out from under the feet of the Southwest Airline

920
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: customer base, and suddenly those two things are not true anymore.

921
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: So I guess what's straight about it is the false promise.

922
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: It's sort of like how Uber trained us to think

923
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: cars are supposed to be two dollars and then suddenly

924
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: one day you wake up and that there are forty

925
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: five dollars. Oh yeah, Like that is there's something that

926
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: they got us back. Yeah, there's something that gives private

927
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: equity logics about the entire endeavor. We're like, so you

928
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: lied to us.

929
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: Well, but even beyond that, they also maybe they still are,

930
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: but they're famous for like being playful on the speaker,

931
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: Like yes, when they do little they'll do like little bits,

932
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: they'll do their type five And I don't know if

933
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 2: they're still doing that, but their whole thing. You used

934
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, we're not really like other planes, right,

935
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: and now it's like we're talking about the vegetarians and

936
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: the hippies when they're in their twenties. Now Southwzilians is like, actually,

937
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm not vegetarian anymore. Actually I'm not a hipi anymore completely.

938
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: Now I'm just a pretty much average But I love

939
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: my past.

940
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: Well, it's the it's an indie artist that has now

941
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: sold out. It's like a twenty four wanting to produce

942
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: big budget films. Yeah, but it's actually is it work?

943
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 1: Is it getting it's just betraying its client base.

944
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it's also just like it doesn't

945
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: need to be all that anymore. Yeah, everyone's just everything's

946
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: like just falling apart. But what I'm wondering is like

947
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: before it.

948
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: Changed, right before it changed, was it's straight?

949
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, is quirk corporate quirk straight? Basically?

950
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think, what are you? How are

951
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: you backing it up? So, for example, to me, Ben

952
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: and Jerry's corporate quirk is queer because there's this like

953
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 1: playful like and by the way, we support Bernie.

954
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: Right, they're like we're socialists and we love Jimmy Fallon.

955
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah like that I sort of like or even like

956
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: so market Basket, which is a super architchain in Boston,

957
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: is like I don't want to misspeak, but it's either

958
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: either employee owned or very like very very passionately pro

959
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: union in some way that makes it like a fan

960
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: favorite among everyone. And it's like both affordable and it

961
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: also treats its worker as well, and that's like that's

962
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: its corporate Like that kind of stuff I think works.

963
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: And then when it gets straight is when it's like

964
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: a full on lie, like Urban Outfitters is straight, where

965
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: it's like the quirk it's like you are fully lying

966
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: to me about everything.

967
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is interesting. I think it is. The gay

968
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: part is the performance of the flight attendants. That's fun

969
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: letting them express themselves and be silly. I mean, I

970
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: hope it's not gun to head. I hope they're like,

971
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: I really wanted to do this performance my whole life.

972
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: I have a feeling it's goun to head.

973
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 2: Okay, And then but what I think is really straight

974
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: that they play off as quirk is the choosing your

975
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: own seat thing like that is libertarian and it just

976
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: immediately makes everyone fucking crazy. It's like because then you're

977
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: like having couples take the window seat and the aisle seat.

978
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: The middle seat is still there because they're daring someone

979
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: right to sit between the couple, and it just becomes

980
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: this like show of strength and like whoever can be

981
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: the most evil?

982
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: Well, it's also like the reason so not so choosing

983
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: your own seat is a way to make the tickets cheaper.

984
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: I guess, Like who is being catered to there? I

985
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: guess is my question? Like are people? Do people enjoy

986
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 1: the Lord of the Flies esque process of choosing their

987
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: own seat and then sort of like elbowing a grandmother

988
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: on their way to get the aisle seat, or is

989
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: it that it is a necessary evil and oh thank

990
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: god my tickets for fifteen dollars. But you know, obviously

991
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: I do need to murder one grandmother.

992
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: I always thought it was the first one, honestly.

993
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 1: Okay, you thought you think people like enjoy the kind

994
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: of musical chairs element.

995
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they're they're sort of the the chaos

996
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: is a ladder mind.

997
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess. But I'm just that's that to me

998
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: is because Okay, the two free check bags, I get it.

999
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: That's that's an amazing part.

1000
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

1001
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: But choosing your own seat, it's like no one, it

1002
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: helps no one. Yeah, I think it's.

1003
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 5: The egalitarian of it being you all pay the same price,

1004
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 5: but you get to if you get there earlier, then

1005
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 5: you get the better seat.

1006
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so we are being told it's like an egalitarian, Well,

1007
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: egalitarian would be then offering every but that's what But

1008
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: that's what libertarian is. You basically the strongest, the strongest

1009
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: person or metaphorically strongest, meaning for example, someone that can

1010
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: get there ahead of time, or someone that doesn't need

1011
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: to peace like somebody doesn't actually take off of work.

1012
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: Let's say a working single mother can't take off of

1013
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: work to go get the aisle seat on the flight,

1014
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 1: so she has to be in the middle.

1015
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: I think it's much more cruel than just picking your

1016
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 2: seat when you pay for the ticket. Yeah, I mean,

1017
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: and I don't even not even like, don't get me wrong,

1018
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 2: I wish every seat was the same price, like when

1019
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: the more Obviously we're getting into such weird territory with

1020
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: planes now where which I'm so glad we're finally breaking

1021
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: our silence on which is that like the tiers have

1022
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: gotten postmodern where you're like, there are so many and

1023
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: they just are they keep going up, but the bottom

1024
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: is getting smaller almost and you're and worse. But I'm like,

1025
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: can we just pay a flat rate and pick from

1026
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: one of the two hundred seats and just call it

1027
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: a day. Maybe the middle seat's cheaper, sure, yeah, but

1028
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: that's it enough.

1029
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: Here's something that I do find to be interesting. It

1030
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: I there is a geographic specificity to Southwest airlines and

1031
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: that they're from the Southwest. Now, a lot of airlines

1032
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: don't have that, and in fact, they don't want to

1033
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: have that because they want to be for everybody. Like Delta.

1034
00:51:53,040 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: It's just like the Mississippi Delta's.

1035
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: As based on the mississip Delta, and that's how people

1036
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: like it or like think of I'll say this, forget Delta,

1037
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: think about how general airline names are American, United, United, Yeah,

1038
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,240
Speaker 1: and then you know, inherently you're positioning yourself as a niche

1039
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: by saying we're Alaskan Airlines, we are Southwest Airlines.

1040
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: Which I was. I'm glad you brought up Alaskan because

1041
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring it up as someone that's talk

1042
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: about lying about who they are. Yeah, I'm like, whenever

1043
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: I take an Alaskan airline, it's from LA.

1044
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: Why don't even trust it? I'm there, I'm yes, I'm

1045
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: literally like, I'm you're far from home, going from Detroit

1046
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: to Fort Lauderdale. Why the hell are you here? Literally?

1047
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: Why are you in this conversation? You actually I'm trying

1048
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: to go to from Detroit to Fort Lauderdale.

1049
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 2: I don't trust you know where you're going?

1050
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: Go home? Just a sit guy.

1051
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: Juno calls Babe Anchorage.

1052
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 1: I love to Alaska. You know so many Alaskan cities.

1053
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 2: I was really impressed with us.

1054
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: I do think, do you know is such a bab

1055
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: name for as I've always thought that I have.

1056
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: Such a fantasy of Alaska. I want to go so bad.

1057
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: Alaska is one of those places that I have such

1058
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: strong associations with, Number one of course being Sarah Palin

1059
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: because I was at such a formative it was I

1060
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: was in such a formative age when the Sarah Palin

1061
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: thing happened, and I was like, got it. So everyone

1062
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: from Alaska is kind of like that.

1063
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1064
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: Remember when she said, what's the difference between Pitt Bull

1065
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: and a hockey mom? Do you know the answer?

1066
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: Lipstick?

1067
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: Lipstick?

1068
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1069
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: Well that was iconic.

1070
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 2: Oh that was good.

1071
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: We don't know how good we had it. Remember when

1072
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: Julianne Moore played her.

1073
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 2: Remember when Tina Fey and her were on the same

1074
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: episode of SNL. The world was never the same.

1075
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: It's crazy that we didn't or maybe there was backlash

1076
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: and I'm too young to remember, but even watching it,

1077
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: I was like, fun, No, we didn't know the back

1078
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: That type of thing is relatively recent, Like we didn't

1079
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: have the concept of platforming yet.

1080
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did then the concept of platforming, and we

1081
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: were sort of like, well, we're making fun of her.

1082
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 1: But it is crazy that No, they fully had her

1083
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: on and then did a little dance.

1084
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's SNL still does that, and it's like

1085
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 2: one of the more outdated things that they continue to

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Speaker 2: do all love with nothing but love.

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Speaker 1: Right, And then my other associations with Alaska. For Macy

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00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: Rodman is from Alaska, yes, and oh god, there's like

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00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: some other public figures that are from Alaska that are

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Speaker 1: like important in my lore. But it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: My dad lived there growing up. What yeah, from he

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00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: was in like military.

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Speaker 1: Like, but that's where did he live outside of Alaska,

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Speaker 1: Texas and Virginia. Okay, that makes more sense, Yeah, that

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00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: makes more sense. Of course, what else about Southwest Airlines done?

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Speaker 2: I'm down to do the calls now, Okay, Well, I

1097
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: just want to say I.

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00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: Thought that was really fun and I really hope we

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00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: made Harry out and I want to thank Harry for

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00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: being a cliff Girl patron. And I do want to

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00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: apologize for recording this episode of full six weeks after

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00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: I told him to send me topics. But sometimes that

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00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: happens because we were recorded in batches and it is

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Speaker 1: what it is.

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Speaker 2: But luckily Harry advocated for his needs and that should

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Speaker 2: be a lesson to everyone out there to send that

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00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: follow up email. Yeah, of course I won't be taking

1108
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: that advice. If you don't respond, I'll assume you hate.

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00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 1: My guts, and I just want to say Harry is

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00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: part of a vibrant community. Over at patreon dot com

1111
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: slash radio Lab. We have two extra episodes a month

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00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: for all patrons, not only for the ones that pay

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00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: the highest rate. All you have to do is pay

1114
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: five dollars a month and you get two extra episodes.

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Speaker 1: You get access to the discord, you get fun little discussion.

1116
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,879
Speaker 1: We're in the discord and we're talking, We're talking to people,

1117
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: we're talking back. I recently actually got into a fight

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Speaker 1: with one of our patrons because yes, he said, Jordan

1119
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Speaker 1: first Man was my least favorite guest you've ever had.

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Speaker 1: And I had to say, we've never had him on.

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Speaker 1: I had to say, fact check, he's never been on,

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00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: and actually ever been on. And actually I want to

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Speaker 1: go on step further, and I like Jordan, I want

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Speaker 1: to go hunt some further. I've never met him, oh,

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Speaker 1: in person. We are online friends, and I you know,

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Speaker 1: often I will you know, we've while engaged with this content.

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Speaker 1: He will say, hey, like, you know, sort of an

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Speaker 1: emoji here and there. I've never met him, so it

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00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: was a shock to me to learn that he was

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Speaker 1: the worst guest you've ever had.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love that, and I love that you responded,

1132
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 2: and I'm still waiting for that person to respond.

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00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I hope they don't think I'm mad

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Speaker 1: at them, because I'm not. I just want to the

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Speaker 1: heart you put heart heart. Well, actually I want to

1136
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 1: address something. Oh, this is one of my biggest pet peeves,

1137
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: and actually someone has. People have done this to us

1138
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: in a variety of environments. People have done this to me.

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00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 1: People do some over text, the passive, aggressive, lullless punctuation,

1140
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: saying something really aggressive and then ending with lol. Yeah, yeah, yeah, enough.

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00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: It's bad.

1142
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: Either have the balls to be aggressive to me or

1143
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: be kind to me, but like saying something and then

1144
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: undercutting it with an ironic, sarcastic lol at the end.

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00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: It's too much. No, it's also like we're simply too

1146
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: old enough enough. So just to make sure no one

1147
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: feels left out, since we did just pay a lot

1148
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: of attention to one person named Harry, we are going

1149
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: to play a couple of calls, a couple of.

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Speaker 1: Calls just for fun. Yeah, because we have I was

1151
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: saying this to Sam. I haven't looked into how to

1152
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: stop this from happening. But every time we get a call,

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00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: I do get one buzz on my phone. It goes

1154
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: straight to voicemail. It doesn't like ring ringing, no, no, no,

1155
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: I get like a little buzz. But I've actually now

1156
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: started enjoying it because I'm like, oh, someone's thinking of me,

1157
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: Like I can't wait to look at it later. Yeah,

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00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: that's nice, all right, So let me let me pull

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Speaker 1: up some of these calls.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Sam and George. I was well at one point I.

1161
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 3: Was listening to Survivors podcasts, and I know Sam maybe

1162
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 3: dabbles and Survivor, watching Survivor and joining it, and obviously

1163
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Speaker 3: you guys had the clean privacy on the show.

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Speaker 4: But at one point Jess said, before you come on,

1165
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 4: you need to ask like the closest people around you.

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Speaker 4: And I can't remember how I was worded. And I

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Speaker 4: was not going to go and try and find this

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Speaker 4: because it was pretty insignificant. I don't know how I

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Speaker 4: would find it without actually devoting time to doing so.

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Speaker 4: But he basically said, you need to ask the person

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Speaker 4: you're closest to or people around you, what quality would

1172
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Speaker 4: keep you from winning, and that you need to hash

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Speaker 4: that out. And I wondered what you guys thought about.

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Speaker 3: That for each other specifically, because it's not necessarily like

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Speaker 3: I have to.

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Speaker 4: Do a weakness of someone. It just is like, what

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Speaker 4: could clearly be something that would create problems for you,

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Speaker 4: whether it be like in a strategy sense or a

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Speaker 4: social gain, or like you know, a quality you have

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Speaker 4: too good have. I don't know. I was just trusted

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Speaker 4: in hearing.

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Speaker 6: What you guys thought.

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Speaker 2: I okay, I.

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Speaker 1: You were really excited to do this one. So I

1185
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Speaker 1: would love to know what you think my weakness is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think you wouldn't know when you're being lied to.

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think it's easy to flatter me.

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Speaker 1: I think that I, despite my like cynical exterior, I

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Speaker 1: actually do kind of have an open mind when it

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Speaker 1: comes to people I'm trusting, and I really even things

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Speaker 1: like in Hollywood, for example, obviously the biggest stereotype is

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Speaker 1: that everyone lies to your face and says like we

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Speaker 1: love your voice or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Even though I know that intellectually, I like believe it

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Speaker 1: every time. I'm like, wow, I found an other person

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Speaker 1: who loves my voice, and I think that's absolutely I

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Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right, and I think I have a

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Speaker 1: sort of I wouldn't even call it conflict avoidants, because

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's that, but I kind of match

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Speaker 1: someone's energy, like if they're being fake to me, I'll

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Speaker 1: just be like okay, cool, yeah, yeah, okay for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's something that you actually just described to me earlier

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Speaker 1: at Tender Green Shutout, which is you were describing a

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Speaker 1: work environment where like people around you were getting kind

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Speaker 1: of chaotic and then you shut down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think if one person is high energy, you can

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Speaker 1: join in. But I think if two people have stepped

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Speaker 1: up and are being chaotic, I take a back seat.

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Speaker 1: You take a back seat. Yeah, And I think that's

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Speaker 1: what it is. It's like, if you miss your initial

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Speaker 1: opportunity to become a leader, then you are you have

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Speaker 1: put yourself on the back seat, and it's hard to

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Speaker 1: then ascend to the front seat.

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Speaker 2: I think that makes complete sense.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's like there's a challenge, that there's

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Speaker 1: a a plan that needs to happen. Two people are like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's do this, and and then the other person responds.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly you're in a longer part of the discussion. You

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Speaker 1: are like a silent backseat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I also think I get caught and shit talking

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Speaker 2: real bad, and I think I shut down when I

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Speaker 2: got caught shit talking.

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Speaker 1: Oh you think you would shit talk and then you

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Speaker 1: would be caught, and then you wouldn't know how to I.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't know how to like backpedal. Yeah, because my shit

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Speaker 2: talking depends on no one finding out.

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Speaker 1: Well, most shit talking does.

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Speaker 2: Most does, but some people can back it up even

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Speaker 2: when it's found out, especially on reality television. Yeah, it's like, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You would talk shit as though you are someone who

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Speaker 1: had a grand plan, yeah, with the confidence of a

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Speaker 1: super villain, and then you would get caught and you'd

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Speaker 1: be like, uh oh.

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Speaker 2: It would also be like it would never really would

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Speaker 2: be a grand plan. It would just be that I'm like,

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Speaker 2: you're annoying, Like this person's annoying.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, we just got a call literally as we were well.

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01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 2: Scared, perfect, let's do it.

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01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like an amazing perfect call.

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Speaker 5: Hi, gay guys.

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Speaker 7: I hope this isn't a bummer, but I've been feeling

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01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 7: a little low lately and kind of not like myself.

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01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 7: So my question is, what is something simple that you

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01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 7: can do to just feel a little more gay guy instantly,

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01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 7: and maybe aside from like consuming media, just like, what's

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01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 7: something accessible that I could do maybe tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all.

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01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 7: I just need to feel a little more gay guy.

1252
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 7: So love you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Well it's called meth.

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01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you considered keem sex?

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01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, you're feeling low.

1256
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: Sorr, you're feeling low, But I would recommend chem sex.

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01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: You know, thirty six hours, just lose a couple.

1258
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: Don't want a bender change your life forever, a bender

1259
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: that you know though, what's suffering is no, okay, so

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Speaker 1: he he doesn't want to consume media.

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Speaker 2: Obviously media that's such a big blanket term. It's a

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Speaker 2: little bit tough, I know, but I would say the

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Speaker 2: most obvious to me answer is real sex.

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: No anal, No, go to a game, go for.

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01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: A walk with headphones in, oh, get struttin. I think,

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01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 2: go for Uh, you're not running, you're not exercising, but

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01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 2: you're going for like a walk where your headphones are

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01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: in and you're hearing fun music and you're like even wallowing.

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Speaker 2: It can be sad music, but you're like intrut. Wallow

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01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: strut is like there's nothing like it.

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: Sorry, but I just want to say, this could be

1272
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: a book. Do you know I told you how I

1273
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: saw the power Posed woman speak at the Ted con

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01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: n Yeah yeah, yeah. So to me, a wallow strut

1275
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: has the branding potential to be like a really big idea,

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01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: which is when it's basically the same thing as the

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01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: power post, which is like, when you're feeling down on yourself,

1278
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: make yourself runway walk like put on three six five

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01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: pot you go get on the avenue and strut strut

1280
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: and just do that. And I think at first it's

1281
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: gonna feel forced, and then it's like how when you smile,

1282
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: you trick your brain into being happy. If you just

1283
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: power strut, you will eventually feel better.

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Speaker 2: It'll work. It always works, even like listening to like,

1285
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 2: when I'm like genuinely bummed out, I'll like listen to

1286
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 2: Titus Andronicuss, specifically the song I think is Titus Andronicuss,

1287
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 2: which is like the chorus is like you will always

1288
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,480
Speaker 2: be a loser, And I'm like I needed this, like

1289
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: I needed to feel like you suck for a moment

1290
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 2: and then I can rebuild.

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Speaker 1: Well, I kind of think that this is Robin's entire project.

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01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 1: Robin's project is wallow strutting. It is dance music. It's

1293
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,600
Speaker 1: euphoric dance music where the lyrics are I want to

1294
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: fucking kill myself. And I actually think the power of

1295
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: music and sound is that even if what you're saying

1296
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: is I want to kill myself, the bass is so

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Speaker 1: kind of hypnotic and propulsive that it gets you in

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01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: a better mood. Yeah, because if my initial I was

1299
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: of course going to say, what's a gay thing you

1300
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: could do? Go to a gay bar, But I actually

1301
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm very aware of the fact that like that could

1302
01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: make you feel more isolated, Like for sure, going to

1303
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: a bar by yourself, as much as I occasionally like

1304
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: doing it, or I like one of the movies by myself,

1305
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: if you're not in the right headspace, that can make

1306
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: you feel even more lonely. But I think walking down

1307
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: the street you.

1308
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 2: Need to see people.

1309
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: Yes, you need to see people. And if you're walking

1310
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: down the street, it's not stigmatized to be alone in

1311
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: the way that it may be stigmatized to be alone

1312
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: at a bar or alone in a movie theater or whatever.

1313
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be to be clear, but like in your head,

1314
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: if you're already feeling down on yourself want to be

1315
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: like alone at a restaurant, but I think being alone

1316
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: on the street, you are.

1317
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: One.

1318
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: You are part of the walking community.

1319
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to say on record, I did

1320
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: get those wrong lyrics to the song, but just know

1321
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: that the point remains and I will not be singing

1322
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: anymore on this podcast.

1323
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: I've been really into Metric recently, the band which I

1324
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: know we talked about it and you don't and you're

1325
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: you're not a fan, but you know they also will

1326
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: do this like fun song. Like there's a song called

1327
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: gold Guns Girls and the lyrics are all the gold

1328
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: and the guns in the world. Couldn't get you off,

1329
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: need I say more? And it's like, Okay, those lyrics

1330
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: are sad, but you're kind of like, let's fucking go.

1331
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think of like other I.

1332
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: Know, other things. I think, by the way, the fact

1333
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: that this call came in as we were already recording

1334
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: is very meaningful, and I think we were meant to

1335
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: answer this call on air, and I feel very connected

1336
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: with this caller and so I want to really give

1337
01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: them something good to chew on. Yeah, I mean, I

1338
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: do think frankly, cooking or baking something is a way

1339
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: to access your gay guy a little bit. If that's

1340
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: something that's in your arsenal.

1341
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not in your arsenal, find but I respect it.

1342
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: But like, if it's something that's in your arsenal, how

1343
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: fun to make a care cake?

1344
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? What else?

1345
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: I like the limitation of no media, Like, I like

1346
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: that we're thinking of that because I I could, of

1347
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 1: course be like watch miscongeniality spa day, SPA day, Like.

1348
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to take the spaces where you are not

1349
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: required to speak, but you do see other people and

1350
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 2: you do feel communal alone, Like I think that is

1351
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 2: really nice.

1352
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Do you do a spa day? It's something

1353
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: I always imagine I will do at some point.

1354
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: I've never done it, yeah, but like you know, for me,

1355
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 2: of course, sometimes it's involves sex sometimes but not always,

1356
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: not always. But I don't know what town or you

1357
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 2: are living in, so I can't recommend which ones to

1358
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: go to.

1359
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of, like another of an obvious

1360
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: way to feel better.

1361
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 2: I don't think what I wish I could say is

1362
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: go buy something, but I actually think that's really wrong.

1363
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: No, And actually I have to say, like I'm at

1364
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: a place where purchasing things simply does not improve my

1365
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: mood in any way.

1366
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I it actually makes me feel worse.

1367
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: I will say something as simple as like taking a

1368
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: bath or showering, like if you're in a wallowing mood, I, well, cub,

1369
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: I haven't left the house all day. I'm still in

1370
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: my pajamas. I think changing being like I'm gonna pamper myself,

1371
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: even in a small way, even in a way of

1372
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: like I'm taking a bath and then I'm putting on

1373
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: a face mask. That literally does help.

1374
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: That does help.

1375
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, wallow strut. Bake a carrot cake.

1376
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't even know why I'm going in a carrot

1377
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 1: cake direction. Go full on.

1378
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: I kind of like chocolate cake. Carrot cake, yeah, because

1379
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: cake is so there's something almost too indulgent about chocolate

1380
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 2: cake where you're like, you're like, well, I'm not going

1381
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,640
Speaker 2: to kill myself, right exactly, You're not putting myself down.

1382
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: Chocolate cake is like your bridge of Jones, and you're

1383
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: having ice cream from a giant tub, which only makes

1384
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: you more depressed, not going to make you feeling a better.

1385
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 2: Carrot cake is like, oh yeah, I'm different.

1386
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: Carrot cake is like Kristen Wigg making that one single

1387
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:31,520
Speaker 1: cupcake and Bridesmaids.

1388
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1389
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: Now, that of course did not make her any happier

1390
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: in that scene, but I think she reminded herself that

1391
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 1: she was able to bake it.

1392
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 2: Sure, what's the next call?

1393
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: Okay, there's powering community. I just want to say, call

1394
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 1: a friend.

1395
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi, I have a question.

1396
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 6: What do you think happened to the soft boy?

1397
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: For me?

1398
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 5: This was kind of an archetype that was identified by

1399
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 5: millennia is back in like twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen,

1400
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 5: you know, the type of sensitive sort of but like manipulative,

1401
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 5: maybe hipster or alternative straight guy, and it seems to

1402
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 5: have been rebranded or rediscovered by gen Z and coined

1403
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 5: as the performative mail.

1404
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 6: Do you think there's a difference or do you think

1405
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:33,440
Speaker 6: that the soft boy is kind of relegated to millennials

1406
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 6: and performative males are different and a new kind of

1407
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 6: gen Z style of straight mail.

1408
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: I remember the right lyrics they repeat, your life is over.

1409
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: Okay, well maybe don't listen to that one.

1410
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 2: No, but it helps. It's you. You have to you

1411
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: have to feel it and then you can build yourself

1412
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 2: back up. It's like the beginning, right, it's the morning.

1413
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: The morning with a you or morning with a you. Okay,

1414
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: oh that's the morning, and then you're going through those

1415
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: stages of grief and then you're out of it. Yeah, okay.

1416
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: So I think what's interesting is I do think these

1417
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: are the same concept, but like the sort of the

1418
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: person doing the action has changed. Before it was like

1419
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: the soft boy is like the world is make like

1420
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 2: he is soft despite the world, And now the Performative

1421
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 2: Mail it's like he is soft as a viil as

1422
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 2: a way to attack others. Yes, which I think.

1423
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: Is in fact, they're not the same, Like that's what

1424
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: is different about them, is like one is one of

1425
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: them from yes, like one is coming the softness coming

1426
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: from within, and the other one is like this is

1427
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 1: literally a predator. They're using softness as they're weaponizing softness.

1428
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 2: But the thing with the Performative Mail is that I'm like,

1429
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 2: which again, everyone jump off a cliff literally and not

1430
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,560
Speaker 2: into a body of water, no, onto a sidewalk.

1431
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: Concrete, But like, is it is this is it real?

1432
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: Like to me, are they just genuinely soft and we

1433
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: have we're so obsessed with villainizing men that were taking

1434
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: the only good men and being like, you are trying

1435
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: to trick me by reading.

1436
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: Evil evil, And it's like like, well if they read

1437
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 2: the book, yeah, Like if they're actually reading the book,

1438
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 2: that's good.

1439
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: I just don't believe. I think it's I just can't.

1440
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't like it's it's uh social media bullshit. I can't.

1441
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 1: It's like it's all it's a sye op. There's no

1442
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: such thing. There are definitely evil men and there are

1443
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: definitely good men. But like this idea of performative male,

1444
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: I think you witness one a year and you're like, wow,

1445
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: this is who all the treats are about. It's like, well,

1446
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,400
Speaker 1: that's not enough for it to be a phenomenon.

1447
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 2: It also has like it's literally right wing talking points

1448
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: winning yes exactly where it's like, well, if your man

1449
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 2: is liberal, that's just to manipulate exactly.

1450
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: Like, just have some faith that some men are good.

1451
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like it at all. I don't

1452
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 1: the idea that like, it is inherently suspicious if you

1453
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 1: are visibly trying to better yourself. I actually witnessed this

1454
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: recently because someone a friend of mine was saying that

1455
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: this guy that we know from college, who's a very

1456
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 1: very like genuinely nice and sweet guy. She goes, yeah,

1457
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 1: he's taking a year out of his life and dedicating

1458
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: it to supporting the women and fems in his life.

1459
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: This was These were the exact words, and I my initial,

1460
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: of course thought was one of suspicion. Then she kept

1461
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 1: going and that is quite literally what he's doing, and

1462
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 1: it is but completely he is. So she for example,

1463
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: my friend who was telling me this needed some help

1464
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: with like a professional thing, and he helped her for free.

1465
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: He like put in hours and was like, I'll come

1466
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: over and help you with this, like every day for

1467
01:13:59,720 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: a week.

1468
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm still suspicious.

1469
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm telling you, I'm the number one person whould

1470
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 1: be suspicious of something like this.

1471
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: George, we just found out you're too trusting.

1472
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm telling you that this person is

1473
01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: supporting the women and fems in his life. And the

1474
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: fact that we can't accept that that's something someone would

1475
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: do is is because of years of indoctrination.

1476
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:20,560
Speaker 4: No.

1477
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: I think what's weird is you can do that without

1478
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 2: taking a year out of your life. You can just

1479
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I'm going to be more open to

1480
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: helping people.

1481
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if that was her. I don't

1482
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: know if that was her way of branding it or

1483
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: if it was his.

1484
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 2: Either way, if that is in the conversation, I'll see,

1485
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 2: I guess.

1486
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: Okay, So what you're saying is that that's the performative elements.

1487
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: Crazy, Okay, Because then it's also like, okay, well, then

1488
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: once this year's over, I'm not helping women in fems anymore. Like,

1489
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 2: how about you just live a normal life and try

1490
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: to be a little bit better.

1491
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: Okay. I understand where you're coming from. I understand where

1492
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 1: you're coming from. The truth, I think somewhere in the middle,

1493
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: I accept that I'm being to what's the word now,

1494
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 1: you something I don't know. I mean, I do think

1495
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: this specific person actually his heart isn't the right.

1496
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 2: I obviously can't know the details, but that's insane to me.

1497
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: The point is, obviously some people are dishonest, and obviously

1498
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: some people are not to be trusted. Yeah, but let's

1499
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: not start from a place of paranoia. Sure, sure, especially

1500
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 1: when the thing obviously some people, when the thing you're

1501
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 1: seeing is literally just someone reading a book on the.

1502
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: Subway, it's like, then chill.

1503
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: It's like you're the crazy one if you start being violent,

1504
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: Like if you're like, oh so you're reading that, why

1505
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: because you want me to think you're good?

1506
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, well it's very This is interesting too,

1507
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: because I people have a general no more no Marnie,

1508
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: but people hate someone putting themselves out there no matter what. Yeah,

1509
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: like if someone is and sometimes you're right to be annoying,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes you're not right to be annoyed, Like when

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Speaker 2: someone's reading at a bar at like eight pm, it's.

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01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 1: A little like do you have to rem like oh, interesting?

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01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's also like just let

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01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 2: them read, like they're allowed to read at the bar.

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01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with all of this for me, what

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01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: are I feel like we've gotten away from the softway question,

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01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 1: which I do want to return to. But my thing

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01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:26,560
Speaker 1: with this whole performative reading thing is like the alternative.

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01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: No one's perfect. The alternative to reading at a bar

1520
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: is so much work. Like you want this guy to

1521
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:40,799
Speaker 1: what be either home playing video games or like online

1522
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: being radicalized or you know, ghosting women. Well no, and

1523
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,719
Speaker 1: I do think it like he's making himself so scarce,

1524
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: Like he's literally like I'm just making myself as small

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 1: as possible, and everyone's.

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: Like gat him. But sometimes small as big. Sometimes when

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01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 2: you're being so small, like if you're like with spring

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01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: and everyone has to like be quiet to hear you,

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01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: it's like, well, how about you talk normal.

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01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: True and let me hear you. Obviously, the whole point,

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01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 1: and I'm not an idiot, I understand the whole point

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01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: of this whole suspicion is that these men, let's say,

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01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: are putting out this soft image and then get to

1534
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 1: the bottom of it. You're going in a date with them,

1535
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to build a relationship, and suddenly

1536
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: they don't have what it takes to like give you

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01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: what you want. Like they're not able to commit. They

1538
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,759
Speaker 1: are completely wishy washy. They're likely out of touch emotion,

1539
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: out of touch emotion available, unemployed, you know, sort of

1540
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: all talk and can't actually like support you when you

1541
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 1: need their support. Then you have a kid, they're sort

1542
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: of like, well, I have to go cycling because it's

1543
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: button ball's time for dad and new calls. So obviously,

1544
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: like I get that I'm not being sort of pro

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01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, men's rights activism here.

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01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: No, I actually want to go through every single thing

1547
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 2: you just listed, almost and I'm not going to. But

1548
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's wrong, that's right, that's wrong, that's right,

1549
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 2: that's that's right. Yah, because I'm like, not everyone's an archetype. Well,

1550
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: I like have different flaws. Men should be allowed to

1551
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: be unemployed. I think women should be allowed to be

1552
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 2: unemployed too. But when someone's like that man's bad he

1553
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 2: doesn't have a job, I'm like, so, yeah, having a

1554
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 2: job good.

1555
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: But some men haven't had a job in years.

1556
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 2: Yes, that's true. But maybe they're just up and coming comedians.

1557
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 1: Well at some point, you know, are you up and

1558
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: are you coming? But something I want to say about

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01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: this question is what we are missing with the whole

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01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 1: performative male thing is to me, something about the term

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01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: soft boy or even metrosexual, which I know is different,

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01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: is that they are at the they are kind of

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01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: ambivalent terms like they can be they can be seen

1564
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: as they contain the positive and the negative. And I

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01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 1: think that's where that's the definition of nuance, of course.

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01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,360
Speaker 1: And I think the thing with performative male is that

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01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,639
Speaker 1: it's it starts from a point of like take get him.

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01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: Softboy, of course is not a compliment, Like it's obviously

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01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: it is slightly insulting to call someone a soft boy.

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01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: And I think it contains within it the contradictions of

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01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: It's like, on the one hand, it's good that this

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01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 1: is someone who is soft and in touch with their feelings.

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01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 1: On the other hand, it's bad because maybe they can't

1575
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: step up and you know, be quote unquote masculine when

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01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 1: the time for it comes. Similarly with the metrosexual, it's like,

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01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: what's good about a metrosexual is that they are they

1578
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,400
Speaker 1: pay attention to their appearance, and they you know, take

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01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: care of themselves. What's bad about a metrosexual is that

1580
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: they're fucking gay?

1581
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, sure, totally you know what I mean, of course.

1582
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: So I guess the point being, I think we need

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01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: a new term for essentially what the contemporary version of

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01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: this is, which is, let's face it, the men's wear guy. Like,

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01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 1: the contemporary version of this kind of guy is like

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01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:56,879
Speaker 1: someone who like overspends on Japanese fashion.

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01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 2: But the men's wear guy is listening to masculin It's

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01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 2: like it's been it's not masculine to patrolling eBay for grail.

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01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 2: It absolutely is.

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01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,439
Speaker 1: I think these men have gone so or basically you're

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01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: literally like antiquing with your husband and your poodle.

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01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,080
Speaker 2: Uh, and you're so wrong. Metrosexual used to be like

1593
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 2: was vulnerable because you were like wearing head to toe

1594
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 2: expressmen rare like that was like you were braver than

1595
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 2: a guy who just sucks dick.

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01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: And okay, all right, so we okay, so but what

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01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: is the so you're saying. So, I'm saying it's the

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01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: Japanese men's where guy is not the same person. There's

1599
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: no who is reading feminist theory on the bus.

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01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm just saying metrosexual.

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01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: It's yeah, yeah, I guess I I I My challenge

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01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: to people is coming up with archetypes of men that

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01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: have space for nuance. And sometimes I have to say,

1604
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 1: because I know I'm being very promen and I don't

1605
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: mean to be, sometimes that actually can be even more biting,

1606
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: Like there's something about it's like a it's a deeper

1607
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: read when you're like this guy is so soft that

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01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: he can't whatever, Like like I think the performative mail

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01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: is such a fake critique that it almost doesn't land

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01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: for me.

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're going to get to the bottom of

1612
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 2: this in the next two years.

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: Was that did I flop?

1614
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: No, it's just a it's a it's a black hole

1615
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: of a conversation, I know, because it's like so much

1616
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 2: of it is disingenuous, so much of it. Well that's

1617
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 2: the thing, and maybe that is it is like it's

1618
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: just kind of joky, like maybe it's not meant to

1619
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 2: be taken seriously and it's just jokey. But we can't.

1620
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 2: We just have to, you know, treat everything as if

1621
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:48,040
Speaker 2: it's true.

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01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: And I understand that people that use the word performative

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01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 1: male use it with a sense of humor. It's like

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01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm of course acting as though they are so stupid

1625
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: that they don't get but like I think people are

1626
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: using it with a sense of humor.

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01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 2: But but it is a weird, weird takeaway, like yeah,

1628
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 2: don't don't read that book. You should be dumber.

1629
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 1: One time, I wish I could remember who this was.

1630
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: It was a rouehold, it was a drag queen. It

1631
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: was a drag race drag queen that posted literally like

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01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 1: what is it with people reading on the train like

1633
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: you're being so performative, Like just look at your phone

1634
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: and it was it like legitimately was not a joke,

1635
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is so funny. I mean

1636
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:24,439
Speaker 1: to interpret it.

1637
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 2: Like that nothing but loved all contestants of RuPaul's Drag Race.

1638
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 2: But some of the people on that show end up

1639
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 2: being the dumbest people I've ever seen or heard of

1640
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: in my whole life.

1641
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:35,560
Speaker 1: That's the magic of it.

1642
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,480
Speaker 2: It's like, really really insane. Oh guess what what. Violatoki

1643
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 2: goes to my gym, shout out, shout out.

1644
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: Shout out to Violet Taki. I like, Violet me too.

1645
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: He's a real talent.

1646
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 2: We made eye contact and I was like, God, I

1647
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna say we made out. I was like, oh, okay, No,

1648
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: we made eye contact in a way where I was.

1649
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: Like, maybe she has our reels. You know, I would

1650
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 1: not be surprised if our reels were being served to

1651
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,599
Speaker 1: old Violet Trogy me either. Okay, we have one more call.

1652
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: We also can stop. I mean it's three and I'm

1653
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: so hot as hell, I gotta say, what is the

1654
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: next what's the next gay superhero one? We could just

1655
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 1: save it for the next column.

1656
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 2: Save for the next show.

1657
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, folks, well that was the longest episode ever,

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01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 1: You're well, I have no idea how long we've been recording,

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01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 1: but I assume approximately five and a half hours. Oh

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01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: not far off.

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01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 2: Okay, well someone was counting. Subscribe to Patreon and and

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