1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. I'll just got a pune like Cat 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Longs and whatever. I'd been in one die. It was 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: on the awnswiam machine all the way to the swim 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: go yeah, how'd your fox are going all the tour? 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: And I was like, whoa, you get the chills with 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: a Beatles or your own swim machine and so it 7 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: was go ahead. It was a good fuck. 8 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast with your host 9 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: Buzz Night. Buzz gets the inside scoop from musicians who've 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: created the soundtrack of our lives. On this episode, a 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: British icon who created music history with Mata Hoopa. Singer, 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: songwriter and guitarist Ian Hunter is next on Taking a Walk. 13 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: Ian Hunter, Welcome to a virtual edition. We're going to 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 3: take a walk down memory lane here on the Taking 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: a Walk Podcast and we're going to talk about Defiance 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 3: Part two and many other things. But thank you for being. 17 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: On, sir. Oh yeah, very welcome. I said, pro plucka. 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 3: Did you know you're never alone with a schizophrenic? 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: That was Ronson's title he found out a toilet war? 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: Is that right? I had to give him half a 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: track to get that title. Yeah, I gave it to 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Rafa just Another Night, which was a song on my 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: album Another Great One. Yeah, yeah, he was he was 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: going to make another record. He said no, no, I'm 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: people in this and I'm like, no, I've got out 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: that I've got to have that. So in the end 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: we came to an agreement. It's wonderful. 28 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: What inspired you to pursue a career in music, and 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: tell me about the earliest influences. 30 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: Ian Oh, I was. I was right right at the beginning, 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: you know, Fast Domeno fifty four, Elvis and A. That 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: album was what fifteen, and then I heard Joni Lewis. 33 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: It was crazy, you know. We were living in the 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: country that I had just come off rushing books that 35 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Second World War, and it was pretty you know, boring, 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: and people were looking for excitement, and all of a sudden, 37 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: a little Richard Chuck Berry and all this stuff coming 38 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: out of the States, and we were like, well, this 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: is just something, you know, And I was a fan, 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, it was jukeboxes and stuff like that. I 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: never thought i'd have it be in bands or anything 42 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: like that. I just I was just a huge fan 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: a rock and all music. 44 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 3: When did you know though, that this was going to 45 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: be a career. 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: I really didn't. I mean I sort of going semi 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: pro bands around Northamplton. I was a bass player and 48 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: somehow grew wound up in London. It's very difficult to 49 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: get into London in those days because everything was twice 50 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: as expensive, you know, and if you're coming from a 51 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: factory and the sticks, you know, an orange course. So 52 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Shilanan started sixperance. It's very hard to get into London, 53 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: so it took a long time. Now wound up with 54 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: a guy called thirty fingers Late. It was kind of 55 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: the English quittal of Jerry Lay. And with fed I went, 56 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, with the German clubs, and I started to 57 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: think more like a musician than I found. You know, 58 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: I thought maybe I could make a living out of us, 59 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: and that's how it sort of came into being, you know, 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: over a few years. 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: I can you share a bit about your songwriting process. 62 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 3: How do you typically approach the crafting of a brand 63 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: new song? 64 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: I think every right to well, it's hard to say. 65 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's it's it's kind of like a comedian. Somebody 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: says something and you pick up on it where nobody 67 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: else does. Sometimes it comes and out of it you 68 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: wake up with it and the morning, you know, I 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: can't really explain it to you. It's, uh, that's why 70 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want songs, and some do. 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of like comedians, you know, they get the 72 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: jokes other people don't. 73 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 3: It is being in a certain zone though, to have 74 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 3: that creative process. Is that right? 75 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, because it kind of grew on me. 76 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: You know. When I joined Mark, I wasn't even the songwriter. 77 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: They they add mikee Elson Pete Wats and they were 78 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: the songwriters, but Pete was more concerned with models of 79 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: the time. So I mean the way we used to 80 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: reheard this, they would get there about three in the afternoon. 81 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: I was there ten in the morning because I was 82 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: trying to all these instruments and st and as I 83 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: tried these instruments, so started coming, you know, And I 84 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: tried a man in front of the band and some 85 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: sometimes they fed yea and sometimes they said no. And 86 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: slowly I sort of became this Meg Raelson and I 87 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: became the song wise in that band. 88 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: You know, throughout your entire career you've been part of 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: different bands and collaborations. Tell me how difficult that times 90 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: it can be to navigate the dynamics of working with 91 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: all different types of musicians. 92 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: You just with me, it had to be exciting, it 93 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: had to be people are like, well, I had to 94 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: be crazy and Ma was crazy. I did like them. 95 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: They liked me because I was like, I wasn't the 96 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: hare of of Matthia, you know. Uh, but we got 97 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: it okay, And then every bad ever since, it's always 98 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: been this has got to be fun. This has got 99 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: to be calaraderie. This hasn't got to be I'm not. 100 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: I can't take sitting on the bulbs listening to it 101 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: being we just did. It's just the excitement, the illiginal 102 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: excitement I felt with Jerry Lee and those people. I 103 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: guess that's what I was looking for, you know. And 104 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: then Mark, they they wound up creating that kind of 105 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: excitement too, you know. And the places that got crazy 106 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: without yots and stuff, and they were good guiands, not 107 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: bad ones. 108 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 3: Do you ever remember one of those shows that sticks 109 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 3: in your head because, oh yeah, either because of the 110 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: fan reaction or something. But did something went awry? 111 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: Brother? The Mot fans weren't kind of like Mott fans, 112 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: and that was it. It was like a tribe that 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: followed you all over, you know, and when they would 114 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: go anywhere you went. And I can remember gigs there 115 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: where they were all on stage and they were all singing. 116 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: And then we tried to make a live valabum and 117 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: that was a disaster because everybody go on the stage 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: and the cables went. But they were kind of I 119 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: remember Newcastle, Yeah, they had Newcastle. They brought dogs out, 120 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: which was not a kind of thing to do because 121 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: they thought it was a nasty riot, you know what 122 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: I mean. And it wasn't it. It was a happy while. 123 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: It's just fun and that was what we were kind 124 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: of aiming at that time, just having a great time. 125 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: There wasn't much money involved. It was just having a 126 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: great time. You know. 127 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: One of the things I've always loved about you and 128 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 3: your music. You incorporate, you know, different elements of different stuffle, 129 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 3: some some rock. Maybe there's folks somewhere in their glam rock. 130 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: How do you balance diverse influence as well being true 131 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: to you know, what your unique sound is. 132 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: Well, what happened was I somehow haven't wound up as 133 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: a singer, which I wasn't, you know, I was a 134 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: base star. Maybe I'll just sing harmonism and stuff. It's 135 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: in morve, you know. Guy Stevens was like looking for 136 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: me to get off the piano and get in the 137 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: middle of the stage and sing and around that same 138 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: time like everybody else there. Bob Bob Dylan affected me 139 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, And so I started doing that 140 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: phase sort of singing, which is what non singing to do. 141 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: Jack is an amazing facing. Dylan is a past master, 142 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: and I just kind of copied Dylan for a couple 143 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: of years until until it got silly, you know. So 144 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: I started off to you know, you develop your own 145 00:07:59,200 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: thing out of that. 146 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: I love Bob got silly. 147 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: What happened? No, No, And it was just well I 148 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: had Bob Dylan. I'm English guy. I don't know what 149 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: he's talking about, but he's right, it's absolutely right. Well 150 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: how he's doing it is right. And Suddy Bonner was 151 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: another one, uh yeah, study and Shure he was another one. 152 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: He couldn't say him that great, but he came across. 153 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: He got big number one, you know, I got you 154 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: bathed stuff like that. I thought, that's the that's the 155 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: word I'm going to have to go, you know, because 156 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: I'm not for watches, you know, I. 157 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 3: Mean, your lyrics touch on the themes of rebellion and society 158 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: and personal experiences. So going back to Bob Dylan, uh 159 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: for a second. He obviously had some impact as he 160 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: wrote about rebellion as well. 161 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: Right, it wasn't so much that it was it was 162 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: the way he was singing. I was English, so therefore 163 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: I didn't really understand a lot of what he was 164 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: talking about. You know, probably just still don't. But it 165 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: was just right. It was just so right, you know, 166 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: and I you know, I copped off him. Actually, you know, 167 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: you developed into your own thing. I guess most singers, 168 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: you know, they start off with some they get it influenced. 169 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: Everybody gets influenced initially, you know, and then you sort 170 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,119 Speaker 1: of wade through it and come out yourself eventually. 171 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 3: Did you ever have the opportunity to run into Bob 172 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: and tell him about the impact that he made on you. 173 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've met him a couple of times. I mean, oh, 174 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Sorry, but he's great. He's 175 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: really nice. I mean, what are you gonna do? 176 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 3: Did you get the cold fish handshake? 177 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: Oh? It's good a while, but he does stand the 178 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: street in h in the village one night, Ma. You 179 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: know one form the I wouldn't want on the pavement. 180 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: He knew we were Robin Start I remember at the 181 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: time said on Bob's new album, he's trying to sound 182 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: like Mark the Hooper. So it was all fun, you know, 183 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: it's all you know, just for fun. 184 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 3: Can you tell me about the first time that you 185 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: met David Bowie. 186 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Guilford Civic Hall, a gig just outside London, 187 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: and what had happened was we split up. We've been 188 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: in gas tank since Switzerland for either records and we 189 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: didn't like them. There were two recke so we decided 190 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: this is or not. We haven't had a hit record. 191 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: We've been guying a couple of years. And so Pete 192 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: watched the bass player rang up David to a gig 193 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: because David was at that time forming his band, and 194 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: David said, well you were in Mark you know, and 195 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: Peter said, no, we've split it, and then David said, 196 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: well you can't do that, you know. It turned out 197 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: that David liked the band and a lot, and so 198 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: he came to see us at Guildford. That was the 199 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 1: first night I met him and I wound up in 200 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: a limo with him afterwards, and Angie and Andie whispered 201 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: to me in the back of the limo, he's it 202 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: took him four hours to get ready. That's great. And 203 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: then from then on we're still on my Island records 204 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: and we're just doing a tour and flowers in the 205 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: dressing room every night, and these people from Ireland, you know, 206 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: Johnny Glow, Alec Lesley, they were going, what were the 207 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: need flowers forevery night? You know, But what was happening 208 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: was the beginning of you know, our time with Columbia 209 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: and the Fleece and David. 210 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: You know, did he offer you Suffragette City? Is that correct? 211 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, we'd had a couple of singles out 212 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: and we'd they've been on the BBC and they haven't 213 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: been hits. Well, when you have a couple of singles 214 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: that they missed, from then on in, you're not going 215 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: to be on the BBC unless it's something extremely special. 216 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: And we were writing good stuff, but we knew that 217 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: Bee wouldn't and stuff that sitting was good, but we 218 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: knew they wouldn't play it. It wasn't good enough. So 219 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: then he sits down and an office said, waiting the 220 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: straight and plies all the young dudes to It was 221 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: an acoustic guitar, and that was a whole different kettle 222 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: of fish. You know. That was we can do this 223 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: thiscom beat. You you know, I. 224 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: Have chills just thinking about that moment. 225 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember sitting there thinking, one, I can sing it, 226 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: you know because subs bluesy stuff I'm not good at 227 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: the first thing was I knew I could sing it, 228 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: and the second plane was isn't it? And you know 229 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: it's kind of Nat being behind it hit before it's 230 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: even recorded. It's just a song and so strong. 231 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 3: And what's amazing about it, Ian is how it has 232 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: stood the test of time. 233 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was still talking about it and Mark did 234 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: a great nobody. You know, we improved it. We didn't 235 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: just sit and do it, you know, we improved upon it. 236 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: And he was there and he was helping out and 237 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: to doing what David did. You know, he taught us 238 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: a lot, you know, because we didn't really know much 239 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: about the studio with Geystein, our previous producers. David knew 240 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: how to work the room, you know, you know, they're 241 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: the buttons. What do you think of. 242 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 3: How he constantly reinvented himself and has that inspired your 243 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: reinvention as you have reinvented through your career. 244 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: No, No, I think David was a performance artist who 245 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: played the part of a rock and wall singer and 246 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: did it extremely well. And I funk whatever you want 247 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: to talk about the stages he went through. He was 248 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: a performance artist. That's that's where he came from. Lends again, 249 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So he was you know, he had 250 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: that role for that while you know what I know, 251 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: the Ziggy Wolf, and then he went out to other things. 252 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: I think the foice was mold and the Elvis. You know, 253 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: Defrace's idol was Colonel Tom Parker. But Flores was telling 254 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: you was Johnson was a diver's mona, and I think 255 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: that's what that's what Defrase wanted. And you want to 256 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: dive it to the Elvis too. 257 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: You know, we're living in a divided society, obviously, yet 258 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: I'm constantly amazed at how music is this one thing 259 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: people can generally agree upon. Do you agree with that 260 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: fact in the world today that that's really the one 261 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 3: thing people can agree on? 262 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: Football, there's a coom football. I see football, you know 263 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: what I mean? Two teams Yep, somebody's gonna win, someone's 264 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: going to lose. I'm sixty thousand people who don't really 265 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: know that much about it, right, just waving about it, 266 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. 267 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: But as we moved to talk about Defiance Part two, 268 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: what's your take on the rest of the world. 269 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: We're in a bit of a mess, you know. I 270 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: try to avoid it on part one. I can't call 271 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: up with me on part two. However, you know, we're 272 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: living in a hysterical country, so hopefully it won't turn 273 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: out as bad as everybody predicts. I just have an 274 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: opinion like everybody else. I try to not be the 275 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: didactic and all that kind of stuff, but sometimes it leaks. 276 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: And this abbs a bit dense, you know, it's a 277 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: bit dense something in the first one, and I think 278 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: the next one will be a a little lighter. This 279 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: one's pretty political. 280 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: Can you talk about some of the folks that you 281 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 3: collaborated with in both Defiance Part one and Part two? 282 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure? Who? 283 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: Well how about Jeff Beck for starters? 284 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I was Johnny Depp. John was working 285 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: with Jeff Nor Johnston a little while now, and he 286 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: likes what I do, so he said, you know, I'm 287 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: over here with Jeffedy. Woman to do something with Jeff, 288 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: and so he sent him two tracks and Jeff flighted 289 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: on both of them. You know, he played on the 290 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: third Rail on Part two and it was Jeff. I 291 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: mean it was like for me, he was in the sixties. God, 292 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, we came through in the seventies, so we 293 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: looked up to those guys, you know, like the Beatles 294 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: and the Stones and the whole you know, So to 295 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: ab ject back on your album for me is a 296 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: personal win, no matter what. Plus he played great, and 297 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: plus sometimes he would do things and then he would 298 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: not let him go because he didn't think his performance 299 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: was good enunfortunately, and both tracks he was fired. He 300 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: passed them, you know, he okayed them. And his lawyer 301 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: said the third Rail, which is on Part two, is 302 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: the last thing he ever did. It's amazing. Not this 303 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: Wire's manager. Yeah, how about Robin Xander, Well, I've known 304 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: them for a long time on them off Big here 305 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: and there, you know, Rake and Lobbin, so great guys 306 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: and the proper Block Wi Woe, you know. And it's 307 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: a privilege. But a lot of these baby, it's all privilege, 308 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: you know what Stone Temple, those guys and such gentleman 309 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, and intelligence, and you've got to send the 310 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: right kind of material to the right kind of people. 311 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: Is it in the area, you know what I mean? 312 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: Like Mike Campbell, you know, it was perfect for him 313 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: and ring go on Bed of Roses on the first 314 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: you know you do that check was one seventeen and 315 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there with Andy York I said necessary to 316 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: ring can go for fun, you know, and Ringo was like, 317 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: if I like the song, I'll do it. If if 318 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't like the song, I WoT And then four 319 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: days later we got it back and it was done, 320 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: you know. And Mike Campbell then takes it and makes 321 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: it even better, you know, as he does with everything. 322 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 1: It's still great. It's good. It's been a great fun. 323 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 3: And you you were part of Ringo Star's All Star 324 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 3: band at one point, right. 325 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, we went out, we did a tour. Who was 326 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: part of that group at that time, The Color of 327 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: the Lions, Sheila Shaila A was on the drums. Sheila 328 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: started to make him do a drum solo that was fun. 329 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: Well, but I want to ask the question differently about that, 330 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: So tell me about your connection with Ringo Star and 331 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 3: ultimately playing with him in the All Star band. 332 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: I just got a phone. I came home from wherever 333 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: i'd been one day and it was on the answer 334 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: machine all the way to this Ringo you know, I 335 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: had your Fox are going on the tour and I 336 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: was like, whoa, you get the chills one the Beatles 337 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: or your answering machine. And so I went and it 338 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: was great. It was good fun. Greg like, I'll become 339 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: fans with Greg Lake on that tour. He was my mate. 340 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: You know, he's a lovely blood. Greg Blake, the great player, 341 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, King Crimson and then the LP, the LP, 342 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: I want to his keee on the Pink Crimins were amazing. 343 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: We are opened for them early on and Martin, they were, 344 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: they were frightening. 345 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: Tell me about the period of time when Queen had 346 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: first come to the States and Queen and Mott toward 347 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: what are your memories of that early period. 348 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: Well, they was a great father. Because I became It 349 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: became one big band, you know, and Fred being Fred 350 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: was hilarious. He walk up and down back state going, 351 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: why don't these city baskelets get it? Yeah, Fred, it's 352 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: going to take a couple of times on this is 353 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: a big country, you know it it'd taken that long. 354 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: But they were characters, all of them. You know. I 355 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: really like those guys. And I still talked of Bride 356 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: and Rodger, you know, but but Er we're got our 357 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: different continents, but I still talk to him and they're 358 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: still ruddling. It's normal chaps. So I love it. It 359 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: was like a nice band on the road when they 360 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: when they were opening for us, you know, and then 361 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: we got a Washington, Washington. Yeah, we were staying in 362 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: that Nixon hotel. What was the White I don't know, Oh, 363 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: water Gate, Yeah, we were starting at the Watergate. I 364 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: was Brian came down with something bad. They had to 365 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: get him on and playing quick, and so that was 366 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: the end of it. But we've done a British tour 367 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: and then we were halfway through the American tour and 368 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: that's when they had to go. And I don't think 369 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: about candles or somebody like that came in and that 370 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: for but they went through the roof really quick. You know. 371 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: Tread was so out lageous on fun. But I have 372 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: to say they were they were watching us every night 373 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: because I don't think they'd quite got those stage thing together, 374 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: they got their music together. But well they'll tell you themselves. 375 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: They were watching something to night. 376 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: Are you considering going out on an acoustic tour? 377 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: Oh, Mike, you know, no, no, whny of my age. 378 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: You know, things come up. You have to be careful 379 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: what you're doing. It's in the works, you know, to 380 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: cancel off once because of sickness in the family. And 381 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: I do have tonightiss, which a lot of people have 382 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: on car used to it, but there's no real cure 383 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: for it. And if I commit it and then can't 384 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: do it, and a lot of travelers get very upset 385 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: with you, you know, because they it's expensive, bad days 386 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: you get out of the plane. If I'm playing New York, 387 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: they'll come from England. I want them to put them 388 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: through that, you know, that's a hotel at the affairs 389 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: and then the gig itself. I want to make sure 390 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: that I'm absolutely fit before I go for it. Yeah, 391 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: and it would be acoustic, you know, Q and acoustic. 392 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 3: And there'd be one other mandatory aspect. I'm sure it 393 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 3: would have to be fun for you. 394 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: Oh, it would be fun. I got that figured. This 395 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: isn't going to be a serious play a bit inside 396 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: from nineteen forty eight. There's not going to be like 397 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: that at all. I want to have fun. 398 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 3: Do you have any advice that you'd give to aspiring 399 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 3: musicians looking to carve their own path out in the industry. 400 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: Well, Dylan said to me, you know what I like 401 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: about you? And I said what he said, you hang in, 402 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: And all these years later that would be my value. 403 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: You hang in. It's another business where success comes quickly 404 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: or easily, I guess, like a lot of other things, 405 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: you know, and there's a lot of option, there's a 406 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: lot of downs, and you just have to keep going. 407 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: And that's what's inside you to that extent, you know, 408 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: you just have to hang in and s the phone 409 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: all un. 410 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: Used to approach the days where you yearn to learn 411 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 3: something brand new. 412 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's my whole time. Yeah, I mean, I'm 413 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: already on the next once it's started. Stumbach. That's it, 414 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: you know. 415 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: Is there anything you'd like to learn that you haven't learned? 416 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, I'm out of factories. I'm not a genius. 417 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: The stuff I don't know is enormous. But then again, 418 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: ye know, I'll join the club. 419 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 3: Are there some people that you'd like to collaborate with 420 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 3: that you have not collaborated with. 421 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: You know, loads of people, my heroes like Chuck Berry 422 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: and Little Richard and Jerry Lee. I wouldn't want to 423 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: work with Jerry Day. It was difficult. I remember Hi 424 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: playing the Ritz in New York and his bound didn't 425 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: even go to the dressing room. They got off the 426 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: front of the stage and mingled with the audience. I 427 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't have wanted to be part of laud And. 428 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: How about any new music you've discovered by maybe artists 429 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: we haven't heard of that you'd like to bring to 430 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: our attention. 431 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I'll do that, buzz I never did. I'll just write, 432 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, stuff that comes into my hand. Oh, I've 433 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: been doing this for work fifteen years or something. If 434 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: you're in a nice queen factory for fifty years, you 435 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: en up a nice green I mean, y'all, ye do 436 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: it because sit out. I light writing songs and you 437 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: know the next song and hopefully is going to be different. 438 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: That's my flob. 439 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: Congratulations Ian on Defiance Part two, and it's so great 440 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 3: to have taken a walk down memory lane with you, 441 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: and thank you for all the great music that you 442 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 3: continue to give us. 443 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: Sir oh yeah, very welcome, buzzing. 444 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 3: And thanks for being on Taking a Walk. 445 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, body, Thanks for having me. 446 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 447 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 2: Walk podcast. 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