Speaker 1: Caral, She's a queen of talking. He got theo no
Speaker 1: one can do with Caral, Caral, No one can do
Speaker 1: with Caral, Carol. This episode was such a treat for
Speaker 1: me to get to interview Tara Mackie. She's an amazing
Speaker 1: two times bestselling author. She has gone through so much.
Speaker 1: She was born into a household where her mother was
Speaker 1: on drugs. She was put on to fourteen different prescription
Speaker 1: pills as a child to try to help her I
Speaker 1: guess cope, but really no one ever diagnosed her what
Speaker 1: was really going on with her her, And so she
Speaker 1: got herself off of every single one of these medications
Speaker 1: as an adult, and she wrote books about how to
Speaker 1: live naturally and how all of these drugs are basically
Speaker 1: killing us and all of the harmful side effects of
Speaker 1: just putting yourself on a prescription drug. So her book
Speaker 1: is amazing. She's so soulful. She leads us through a
Speaker 1: visualization exercise where you really tap into what you're true
Speaker 1: calling is. She is an angel from God and this
Speaker 1: interview was amazing. Get excited for Tara Mackie. Here she
Speaker 1: is Tara Mackie. Yes, girl, what is up beside you
Speaker 1: changing the world? What's up? You know, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's good for now, right. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: a big, big task that you've taken on, and you're
Speaker 1: doing it so amazing. And I'm so grateful that you
Speaker 1: have like flowed into my podcast world because I have
Speaker 1: in the past couple of years gotten so obsessed with
Speaker 1: the food industry and just trying to understand our food
Speaker 1: and all of the crap that's in our food and
Speaker 1: all these extra products, and like where is it all
Speaker 1: coming from? Are we eating real stuff? And then take
Speaker 1: that one more step to medications. Are these medicines that
Speaker 1: people are giving us are they really helping us? Are
Speaker 1: they just like band aiding something and then causing a
Speaker 1: greater problem somewhere else, Like I feel like, are we
Speaker 1: really being taken care of out there? And you have
Speaker 1: done all of the research and just how You've written
Speaker 1: two books, which is insane, and you have a new
Speaker 1: book out called Wild Habits, which is talking about how
Speaker 1: you beat fourteen illnesses? All right, fourteen allesses? Yeah, with
Speaker 1: plants and nature and natural everything natural. So how did
Speaker 1: how did you get to the point where you're on
Speaker 1: fourteen medications? And how then did you decide to go
Speaker 1: on this wild journey to go all natural, and really
Speaker 1: that could have been super scary because doctors are probably
Speaker 1: telling you that the last thing you should do. Only
Speaker 1: my whole life. So I was born on drugs. My
Speaker 1: mother did drugs the entire time she was pregnant with me,
Speaker 1: which I feel like is becoming more and more ubiquitous.
Speaker 1: So my mother did, Um, she did cocaine, mostly should
Speaker 1: cocaine in the cab on the way to the hospital
Speaker 1: to give birth to me. So and then she drank
Speaker 1: and she smoked cigarettes her whole pregnancy with me. So, Um,
Speaker 1: that didn't. That didn't. That didn't cause any like birth
Speaker 1: defects or anything. I can't say. So no, I mean
Speaker 1: I was in I had to do detox for the
Speaker 1: first two weeks after I was born. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: in the nick you no bonding for me. Um, So
Speaker 1: I know I had tubes up my nose first thing
Speaker 1: when I came out. I mean I wasn't. I had
Speaker 1: toxic things in my system when I was born, So
Speaker 1: it kind of started there. And then my mother raised
Speaker 1: me as a single parent and she um got into heroine.
Speaker 1: I was five, who was raising you? When she was
Speaker 1: doing all this. She was I was, So were you
Speaker 1: ever worried for your safety or anything? I can't, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like when you're that young and you don't
Speaker 1: know any differently, Like you know, you're raised by neighbors
Speaker 1: and the kids down the block and yourself and the
Speaker 1: guy at the store who sees you get cigarettes for
Speaker 1: your mom every other day with a little note from her,
Speaker 1: and you're five years old, Like, those are the people
Speaker 1: who are raised. You know. My grandparents were huge. I mean,
Speaker 1: they ended up getting custody of me um two years
Speaker 1: later because my mother overdosed on heroin in front of
Speaker 1: me when I was six, And I think that's when
Speaker 1: they truly realized that, Okay, yeah, no, she's not in
Speaker 1: a safe environment like that. I saw that. That was yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw that. I called them, How does a secural
Speaker 1: process that? What do you even know what's happening? I
Speaker 1: didn't know what a heroine overdose was, but I definitely
Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. When your parent doesn't wake up
Speaker 1: and their eyes are rolled in the back of their head.
Speaker 1: That's one of the first feelings I remember, is just
Speaker 1: being really scared that I she was dead, you know,
Speaker 1: because you don't know that, you know, you kind of
Speaker 1: I saw like a dead bird and like and like
Speaker 1: ants and stuff, and you kind of know when something's
Speaker 1: not responding to you, um, it's something is wrong. And
Speaker 1: so I, I uh pulled out a chair from the
Speaker 1: kitchen and student and reached the phone and called my
Speaker 1: grandparents and they came first before the cops and before
Speaker 1: the ambulance. Um and they ended up calling nine one,
Speaker 1: but and took me out of that situation before the
Speaker 1: cops and the ambulance showed up. Because had the cops
Speaker 1: shown up and it was just me there or they
Speaker 1: were there with me, they immediately would have taken me
Speaker 1: into foster care. And they knew that. So they got
Speaker 1: me out of the situation, which was you know, probably
Speaker 1: one of the smartest things they ever did, aside from
Speaker 1: right after that apply for custody of me, because I
Speaker 1: think that's when it really occurred to that of like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's like here by herself, like living alone, and her
Speaker 1: mom is like doing this all the time. It's not
Speaker 1: like a one time thing. And she's making herself dinner
Speaker 1: by standing on the same stool that she used to
Speaker 1: you know, call us on the phone. Things like that.
Speaker 1: I think just started really kind of slowly hitting them,
Speaker 1: especially when I started living at them and going to
Speaker 1: therapy and they asked me like, you know, where did
Speaker 1: you sleep and where are your toys and like things,
Speaker 1: just where's the money we gave you for Easter? Like
Speaker 1: they just kind of started to realize that she wasn't
Speaker 1: taking care of me anymore. You know, it was about
Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol. It wasn't about her child. And um,
Speaker 1: a judge granted them custody of me when I was seven,
Speaker 1: So they raised me with kind of the hope that
Speaker 1: m that my mother would get her act together. And
Speaker 1: their daughter, that's their daughter, Yeah, their first daughter, their
Speaker 1: first child. The reason that they are married, um because
Speaker 1: they had her in Ireland back in the day. Are
Speaker 1: you are you are your descendants from Ireland? Yeah? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that whole side of my family. My mom's from Ireland. Um,
Speaker 1: that's why my last name is Mackie. It's my mom's
Speaker 1: last name. So yeah, And so my mother was in
Speaker 1: and out of jail and rehab my whole childhood and
Speaker 1: then finally when I was ten, she got sober for
Speaker 1: about a year at a at an outpatientary. Have facility,
Speaker 1: and then she came to live with me and my
Speaker 1: grandparents and she was that. It was amazing, actually, I
Speaker 1: mean it was, well, there's some healing that happened. Did
Speaker 1: you have to talk about some stuff or how did you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of healing. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of nights out. There was a lot of her actually
Speaker 1: finally really trying um in a way I had never seen,
Speaker 1: because she really had never been sober in my memorable life.
Speaker 1: And I always was a little nostalgic for the you know,
Speaker 1: the teenage version of her that my grandparents always talked
Speaker 1: about before she started drinking and stuff. You never had
Speaker 1: known that side every I never got to see that
Speaker 1: she always had been drinking and always had been doing
Speaker 1: drugs my entire life. And so spending time with her
Speaker 1: sober is definitely very interesting because I got to see
Speaker 1: her for who she truly was, and what did you discover?
Speaker 1: She's you know, she's an amazing person. She's a great artist.
Speaker 1: She's very compassionate, she's very kind. I think kindness is
Speaker 1: she's she's incredibly selfless. You know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of addicts really are they They drink and they do drugs,
Speaker 1: because they get down on themselves, they feel guilty about
Speaker 1: how they treat other people, and they really they have
Speaker 1: a hard time with self forgiveness. And she and a
Speaker 1: lot of the kindest, most gentlest people are like that,
Speaker 1: and she really is. She's a really great person. Um
Speaker 1: for you though, to be so open to healing with
Speaker 1: her in that way, you know, a child, especially because
Speaker 1: I'm sure that was not easy. Wow, it was dark
Speaker 1: to your life world a little bit, just a little bit.
Speaker 1: So I was saying a therapist this whole time, too,
Speaker 1: and that was definitely helpful because having somebody in your
Speaker 1: life go, you know, it's not your fault what your
Speaker 1: mother is doing. Do you feel like it was your fault? You?
Speaker 1: Every child of an alcoholic or a drug addict feels
Speaker 1: like it's their fault because you do something wrong or
Speaker 1: you do something right and your parent goes and drinks
Speaker 1: and does it doesn't change anything. So how can you
Speaker 1: not internalize that? Right? And so I think when you
Speaker 1: see a therapist when that's your situation, they have to
Speaker 1: really kind of hammer into you that this is not
Speaker 1: your fault, especially when you're the only child and there
Speaker 1: really is no like you can't even mentally go blame
Speaker 1: someone else, you know, you know what to talk to
Speaker 1: you about it. You're alone, and you're also learning all
Speaker 1: of what's happened, like you're plopped into this world, like
Speaker 1: you're learning everything and you don't know how to interpret
Speaker 1: what's happening, and you don't have anyone to talk to
Speaker 1: you about it right exactly. And you know, I went
Speaker 1: to a very small private school with literally ten of
Speaker 1: their kids, and all of their families were completely nuclear,
Speaker 1: like not even divorced, like I mean, everybody had just
Speaker 1: like happy, smiling like just and you know, in Catholic school,
Speaker 1: and everyone's just kd of putting on this whether it
Speaker 1: was a front or whether it was real, Like it
Speaker 1: wasn't relatable to my experience at all. And so the
Speaker 1: only the only things I really saw as a kid
Speaker 1: that were relatable to my experience was when I was
Speaker 1: watching Oprah. You know, we're listening to Tony Robbins, like,
Speaker 1: because those are the only people in the early nineties
Speaker 1: who were speaking to things like this on a on
Speaker 1: a public platform in a large way to millions. It's true.
Speaker 1: Do you do you feel like and I'm not I
Speaker 1: want to get back to this but do you feel
Speaker 1: like social media, all those social media I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about that too, can be like a downside.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like that? Is one of the positive
Speaker 1: things about social media is it gives so many people
Speaker 1: a voice to speak about these things that maybe we
Speaker 1: wouldn't have heard before. Totally, and I love it, and
Speaker 1: I think it gives a lot of people a lot
Speaker 1: of inspiration to get better in a way that yeah,
Speaker 1: we only had one or two things before and if
Speaker 1: you couldn't afford those, the box cassette from Tony Robbins
Speaker 1: or a TV who were you listening to? You know,
Speaker 1: people still thought that was kind of crazy back then too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, totally totally. It was wasn't happening. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the movement yet. No, no, not yet. We were still
Speaker 1: in our little bubble. But uh but I really feel
Speaker 1: like so. My mother actually relapsed in front of me
Speaker 1: when I was twelve, and then when I was thirteen
Speaker 1: is when I was put on for a month. After
Speaker 1: that was when I saw a child psychiatrist for the
Speaker 1: first time. I was put on my first drug, which
Speaker 1: was a mood stabilizer called lithium. So they put you
Speaker 1: on a drug at fourteen and what is that is
Speaker 1: that a heavy drug. It's a heavy duty adult dosage
Speaker 1: of a moon stabilizer that they normally at the time.
Speaker 1: What was interesting at the time was that this was
Speaker 1: you know, early early two thousands, and they were just
Speaker 1: starting to give these adult dosages of drugs to children.
Speaker 1: At the time, they were not allowed to test them
Speaker 1: on children. So only in the last like five years
Speaker 1: have they been legally allowed to test these drugs on children.
Speaker 1: But they've been giving adult dosages of drugs to children
Speaker 1: for at least the last twenty years. So you had
Speaker 1: no choice when you were You're born into drugs in
Speaker 1: your system, then not your fault at all that you
Speaker 1: are in this world which is what you're born into,
Speaker 1: and then you get put on drugs like out of
Speaker 1: your control. Totally wow, Okay, so what happened when that happened, Well,
Speaker 1: my grandparents, I don't think, even maybe to this day,
Speaker 1: still don't see the irony of of paying a therapist
Speaker 1: for many many years to help me stay off drugs
Speaker 1: and then paying another therapist to put me on drugs.
Speaker 1: Um but I got put on another drug the next year.
Speaker 1: So lithium can inhibit your ability to do math and science,
Speaker 1: which is what it started to do for me. I
Speaker 1: started to go from being a complete straight A student
Speaker 1: to getting I brought one C plus home on one
Speaker 1: math test and my grandparents were like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: So they brought me into my psychiatrist and he was like,
Speaker 1: this is attention defice, that hyperactivity disorder. You are very serious.
Speaker 1: And they put me on a drug called Methodate. Are
Speaker 1: they keeping you on the other one too? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What and your tiny little baby pression and body I
Speaker 1: was like eighty pounds on a hundred and five pounds now,
Speaker 1: like my gosh, ebody, person, prescious body was just pump
Speaker 1: with all these drugs. It makes you want to cry.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I know, I'm so sad. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I want to go back and hug thirty.
Speaker 1: I want I want to hug seven year old me always.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh man, you've been such a fighter, Terra.
Speaker 1: Oh you are crying like it really like makes you emotional,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry. You're so innocent, I know, and it's
Speaker 1: so weird when you don't have a choice. Even no,
Speaker 1: it's okay, it's all right, but you don't even realize
Speaker 1: you don't have a choice. And that's why when I
Speaker 1: talk to parents who are like they want to put
Speaker 1: my five year old on a d D medic Like,
Speaker 1: here's the thing, and it's not even the health, it's
Speaker 1: not even anything. It's it is this. It's the choice.
Speaker 1: It's the fact that when you when you're five and
Speaker 1: somebody tells you to take a pill, you don't have
Speaker 1: a choice. And if you really think that your kid
Speaker 1: needs this because he needs to graduate from kindergarten or
Speaker 1: she needs to do better in a subject, if they
Speaker 1: ever regret being on this medication, and trust me, they
Speaker 1: probably will, they're not going to blame themselves. They're gonna
Speaker 1: blame you. And so if you just let them go
Speaker 1: through challenges, they have to blame themselves and then they
Speaker 1: have to overcome that and they're not going to rely
Speaker 1: on a pill and they're not gonna rely on you
Speaker 1: or someone else to solve that for them. But the
Speaker 1: second you start medicating your children, you start holding them
Speaker 1: back because you stop giving them a choice. That's my
Speaker 1: larger message, Like that's what I want to really, really
Speaker 1: really bring home to parents, because when you're a child,
Speaker 1: you don't have a choice. You don't and you're you
Speaker 1: don't know, you're not even mentally capable of knowing that
Speaker 1: you have a choice because a doctor is involved. Anything yeah,
Speaker 1: anything like no, no, no, no. And And what's weird
Speaker 1: is I think every thirteen year old can be diagnosed
Speaker 1: as bipolar. That's the thing. I mean. I wasn't even
Speaker 1: exhibiting mood swings or any or really any like takeoffs
Speaker 1: of the disorder. And but not do a quick little
Speaker 1: background check and just like examine what's happening in your
Speaker 1: life and be like, Oh, she's probably going through some
Speaker 1: home and that's what's happening. I like to say, I
Speaker 1: probably had shitty life disorder and they must diagnosed, because no,
Speaker 1: they did. They knew exactly what was going on. Even
Speaker 1: when I got even when my grades started slipping, you'd think, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it's because she's been through something traumatic, or maybe
Speaker 1: it's because she's on this medication that at may after
Speaker 1: a while started inhibiting her learning capabilities. But but no,
Speaker 1: every single time something was wrong, and this is every doctor.
Speaker 1: First it was my psychiatrist, but then I went to
Speaker 1: see doctors for other things. For my school usis for
Speaker 1: I got diagnosed with arthritis. I got diagnosed with anxiety,
Speaker 1: and every single one of them their first line of
Speaker 1: defense was pills. I don't know if it's because I
Speaker 1: had shitty health insurance. I don't know, because actually I
Speaker 1: didn't at the time, because when I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I mean, it definitely became more prevalent when I, you know,
Speaker 1: was on state health insurance. Of course, what are they
Speaker 1: gonna do. They don't want to take any time to
Speaker 1: see you because you're not even paying to be there,
Speaker 1: so they're just going to give you the quickest, easiest solution.
Speaker 1: But I don't understand how it started when I was
Speaker 1: under my grandparents insurance, which was like really good at
Speaker 1: the time because my grandparents worked for the airlines and um,
Speaker 1: and it was every single doctor I saw just here's
Speaker 1: a pill. And I think it was just becoming a
Speaker 1: more prevalent part of the culture at the time. If
Speaker 1: you really look at the drug statistics. When I started
Speaker 1: getting prescribed drugs, is when they started prescribing everybody drugs
Speaker 1: they went for. They never prescribed the old ones. I
Speaker 1: just kept adding on, so they I did get switched
Speaker 1: from lithium to a drug called the Michtal. But I
Speaker 1: stayed on the Michtal for the next eight and a
Speaker 1: half years, and I never switched drugs because I really,
Speaker 1: the honest truth was because I didn't feel any really
Speaker 1: that much different on the new drug and I didn't
Speaker 1: want to get switched to something else. What are they
Speaker 1: trying to cure in you? With all this kind of
Speaker 1: what I was wondering the time was like, what is
Speaker 1: the final destination here? Like, yeah, I don't really get it,
Speaker 1: Like you're just a kid, Like what are they trying.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna saw your mom overdose in front of you,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna put you on heavy drugs. Also, I
Speaker 1: mean that that seemed to be the train of thought, right,
Speaker 1: I know, it's so ironic, and there's so many ironic
Speaker 1: parts to it, with the fact that my grandparents went
Speaker 1: along with it when drugs were the cause of this
Speaker 1: whole thing, right, the fact that like the doctors didn't
Speaker 1: connect what I was going through even physically. Right, So
Speaker 1: now I know when I'm more stressed or anxious or
Speaker 1: something's going on, or I don't have control over what's happening,
Speaker 1: which was like my whole life as a child and
Speaker 1: young adult I'm in a lot more pain, right, And
Speaker 1: so to get diagnosed with arthritis as a child or
Speaker 1: as a teenager and not have a doctor go like,
Speaker 1: are you going through anything stressful or traumatic in your life?
Speaker 1: How much do you exercise? What are you eating? How? Yeah? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you have anyone in your life who's supporting you?
Speaker 1: Do you? Are you getting enough? Like? Are you able
Speaker 1: to talk about your feelings to anyone? Exactly? They never
Speaker 1: asked me any personal questions about my life. And that's
Speaker 1: where I start. Why not? What is that disconnect between?
Speaker 1: And I feel very passionate about this. I've not lived
Speaker 1: your experience in the slightest, but I feel very passionate
Speaker 1: about why when you go to the doctor, is it
Speaker 1: not a well being experienced. It's not for your whole
Speaker 1: well being. It's like nothing about it treats your whole
Speaker 1: well being. It's it's so I have a biology background.
Speaker 1: Of course, I ended up getting into psychology and biology
Speaker 1: in college because why not, Let's explain my own neuroses, right,
Speaker 1: What were you like as a kid? What was your
Speaker 1: personality like with all this going on? Like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I went from being pretty outgoing and really
Speaker 1: happy and unstoppable to being pretty fucking jaded and melancholy.
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna be honest, and I think any friends
Speaker 1: I had around that time will be uh very quick
Speaker 1: to say that that's probably the truest thing I've ever
Speaker 1: said about myself, is like, honestly, I mean it really
Speaker 1: like it changes you. And but for me to answer
Speaker 1: your previous question, like it's part of the education system
Speaker 1: they don't teach doctors. When you're going through the education
Speaker 1: system of pre med and medical school. They don't teach
Speaker 1: you about mind body connection. They teach you about the drugs,
Speaker 1: but they don't even teach you about how the drugs
Speaker 1: really work to treat the ailments they're designed for it,
Speaker 1: like the SSR eyes or the anti anxiety medications, or
Speaker 1: the mood stabilizing medications, the mood stabilizers, especially because once
Speaker 1: I really started to look into it, after I came
Speaker 1: off my drugs and started um researching natural healing and
Speaker 1: really wanted to get into the science of why it
Speaker 1: works so I could explain it to myself and to
Speaker 1: other people and then eventually used it in my books.
Speaker 1: But I came across things like lithium, the first drug
Speaker 1: I was put on that we've talked about is a
Speaker 1: GABBA inhibitor, and so it's it suppresses your the GABBA
Speaker 1: in your brain, and GABBA is a neurotransmitter found in
Speaker 1: all of us that's responsible for your mood balance. And
Speaker 1: so if the drug they're giving you is inhibiting the
Speaker 1: ability for your GABA to be transported through your brain,
Speaker 1: how is it helping to stabilize your mood? Exactly interesting,
Speaker 1: I don't get it, Like there's so many really started
Speaker 1: to look into the chemical makeup of it. I was like,
Speaker 1: how is this possible that they like have approved these
Speaker 1: things when they're so counterintuitive to the science of how
Speaker 1: your body actually works. And another thing, to one doctor's
Speaker 1: opinion decided you should be on that pill. Like what
Speaker 1: if you have walked in on a different day with
Speaker 1: a different doctor, he could have put it different. Are human, Like,
Speaker 1: that's why people don't realize they have preconceived notions about
Speaker 1: things before you walk into their office, just like every
Speaker 1: other human. They judge people trying to put you into
Speaker 1: a human Yeah, they are trying to label you when
Speaker 1: you walk to their office, like that is their job
Speaker 1: is to find a label for what's wrong with you.
Speaker 1: You're not. I mean unless you literally are going in
Speaker 1: there and they ask why and you say, I'm just
Speaker 1: here for a checkup. If you go in there saying
Speaker 1: anything is wrong, it is their job to go through
Speaker 1: a checklist in their mind until they find the box
Speaker 1: you fit in then and then they can write you
Speaker 1: a pill. They have a pill for that. I promise
Speaker 1: you they do um because and I you know, we
Speaker 1: we don't have to maybe get into the pharmaceutical industry.
Speaker 1: I don't tend to a lot. I have some eye
Speaker 1: opening statistics in my book, but here's the one I
Speaker 1: really want to share, which is that in two thousand
Speaker 1: and sixteen, Walgreens sold enough drugs pharmaceutical drugs nine hundred million,
Speaker 1: almost a billion prescription drugs for every man, woman, and
Speaker 1: child in this country to be on three medications at
Speaker 1: the same time. That's babies. Infant babies include literally every
Speaker 1: single person that exists in the United States of America
Speaker 1: could be on three drugs at the same time based
Speaker 1: on just what Walmart sold or Walgreens sold in two
Speaker 1: thousand and sixteen. What's mind blowing about that is that
Speaker 1: it's just one pharmacy, right. Wow, So there's enough for
Speaker 1: every person to be on three pills, but that's only
Speaker 1: one and one pharmacy from just Walgreens. And wow. That's though.
Speaker 1: If you are wondering if we are over medicated, I
Speaker 1: think that is your answer. We're clearly over medicated because
Speaker 1: I'm not taking any of these pills anymore. I haven't
Speaker 1: taken a single solitary pharmaceutical drug ins seven years. And
Speaker 1: so who is taking all of these pills? How? Anybody is?
Speaker 1: I mean somebody? Well, because I mean I've gone to
Speaker 1: the doctor for no reason at all, and I'll get
Speaker 1: written a prescription just as I feel like weird, you know,
Speaker 1: like like a cup of times I've gone and I
Speaker 1: just like you feel like something's off, and they just
Speaker 1: give you something, you know, or maybe their energy changes
Speaker 1: your response because they're not in a good mood and
Speaker 1: you have a sympathetic person and like it's just it's so.
Speaker 1: And then that doctor writes you a pill that you're
Speaker 1: on for eight years. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: it's really hard once you're labeled as a child especially.
Speaker 1: This is another little warning to parents who may be
Speaker 1: thinking about labeling or medicating their children. Um just to
Speaker 1: make it easier and fit them into a box. Is
Speaker 1: that once you are put in that box, as you
Speaker 1: cannot get out of that box, that is the rest
Speaker 1: of your life. And I guarantee you because and I
Speaker 1: can tell you because I did it, and I've seen
Speaker 1: so many other people do it. Especially when you're an
Speaker 1: impressionable child and you're told something is wrong with you,
Speaker 1: you will take on the symptoms of that illness. Eventually.
Speaker 1: It may not be the next week, it may not
Speaker 1: be the next year, but after twenty months or three years,
Speaker 1: or five years or ten years, you will absolutely feed
Speaker 1: into your diagnosis because why wouldn't you Because they told
Speaker 1: you you had it. They told you you had it.
Speaker 1: They tell you that every single time you go back
Speaker 1: and guess what, Every single day when you take a pill,
Speaker 1: you are reiterating to your body that something is wrong
Speaker 1: with you. Every single time. You're proving to yourself mentally
Speaker 1: and physically that something is wrong with you, or you
Speaker 1: would not take that pill. And so when you don't
Speaker 1: give a kid a choice, and a kid is just
Speaker 1: taking a pill every single day, even if they're getting better,
Speaker 1: you're reiterating to them that something is wrong with them.
Speaker 1: To begin with, and so I really really caution people
Speaker 1: before they start medication, over before they put their children
Speaker 1: on medication, that you really consider all of these these things,
Speaker 1: because this is not what a doctor is going to
Speaker 1: tell you. It's like, you know, how they say like
Speaker 1: fast fashion, how people are just like without his fast fashion,
Speaker 1: and like overseas or doing all these it's like so
Speaker 1: polluting and it's so terrible for the industries because like
Speaker 1: the slave workers and all that. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: fast medication also, it's like you walk in, let me
Speaker 1: speed date you really fast, give you medication, walk out.
Speaker 1: It's just like a conveyor belt. And I feel like
Speaker 1: it's so accepted that parents are just like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: no big deal. Yes, I agree, And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: a little story. I don't have to go to the
Speaker 1: doctor that often anymore. I go in once year from
Speaker 1: my checkup. She knows I'm totally natural. She makes fun
Speaker 1: of me all the time and tells me to eat
Speaker 1: in and out. She's great, Um, eat all natural too.
Speaker 1: I try, you know, and in and out's actually great.
Speaker 1: Scraps bed, It's not that bad for you. Um, And
Speaker 1: that's why she tells me to go dude, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna eat fast food, you know where you can eat.
Speaker 1: Every single time, she's trying to get me in and out.
Speaker 1: Get it almost, good girl, Get some French fries on
Speaker 1: my learner sponsored by In and Out. Um no this
Speaker 1: case so um, oh my god, No, I completely forgot
Speaker 1: what we were talking about. You said, you go to
Speaker 1: your doctor. You're all natural grassbed right. So I go
Speaker 1: to her because the doctor I had before her, um,
Speaker 1: like four years into this journey, haven't taken one pharmaceutical
Speaker 1: drug for anything, haven't taken a title at all, haven't
Speaker 1: taken an aspirin. My adoptive father, my grandfather passed away,
Speaker 1: and I came back home and I saw my doctor
Speaker 1: from my checkup, my last doctor, and she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's going on, how are you? Etcetera. And so I
Speaker 1: told her I just got back from you know, my
Speaker 1: dad's funeral. And she was like, oh, you know, and
Speaker 1: she literally immediately got out a prescription pad and I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I have something for that, and
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to be taken long term, but it
Speaker 1: can really help you. Like, just take it for two
Speaker 1: weeks and let me know how you feel this because
Speaker 1: you're not like hasn't even looked me in the face,
Speaker 1: has literally just started writing this prescription while she's telling
Speaker 1: me this, just because I wasn't even sad like I mean,
Speaker 1: I like it. Well, of course I was sad, like
Speaker 1: it just died, but like I wasn't in her office crying,
Speaker 1: like I was just answering her question of like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's going on? What are you going? Where have you been? Like?
Speaker 1: Because I think I told her like I just you know,
Speaker 1: unpacked my stuff or whatever this morning, and like it
Speaker 1: just you know, ended up telling her what happened. And
Speaker 1: it was so weird how instantly And ps a regular
Speaker 1: medical doctor, not a psychiatrist, right, not a therapist? Okay,
Speaker 1: And I have friends who are regular medical doctors who
Speaker 1: feel completely comfortable writing people prescriptions for antidepressant drugs because
Speaker 1: quote unquote they you know, if they work the way
Speaker 1: they're supposed to work. I feel comfortable putting a patient
Speaker 1: on this. And it's like, what why, Like, first of all,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't feel comfortable putting someone on that just out
Speaker 1: of the blue, without like why can't we just feel
Speaker 1: things like why is this that feel pain? Why is
Speaker 1: it so bad? Like you were saying like if you
Speaker 1: don't let your child work through these things naturally, like
Speaker 1: why is it so wrong? Like the world, there's a
Speaker 1: lot happening in the world. It's not it's not a
Speaker 1: perfect world. We got to learn how to deal with it.
Speaker 1: You can't just like kind of numb it out with
Speaker 1: a drug. Yep. And it's weird because the drug doesn't
Speaker 1: even make it easier for you to process anything right.
Speaker 1: If anything, it holds your brain back from being able
Speaker 1: to understand the reality of what's going on and therefore
Speaker 1: really be able to process it in a way that's
Speaker 1: healthy and moves your life forward. Like so it's actually
Speaker 1: terrible on all accounts. It's terrible on all accounts. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not necessary, Like here's the thing,
Speaker 1: here's the precursor. Like I I've been off these drugs
Speaker 1: for long enough to know I never needed them. My
Speaker 1: question is how many other people don't need them. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're not necessary. I'm not saying that people
Speaker 1: don't benefit from this at all, blanket statement across the board.
Speaker 1: But like we've talked about, we're clearly over medicated, we're
Speaker 1: clearly medicating children and we're clearly medicating people without in
Speaker 1: depth diagnosis. Is so how many people can we help?
Speaker 1: That's my real question of like, our people getting the
Speaker 1: real help they need from being on these pills. And
Speaker 1: if they're not, let me give you the help that
Speaker 1: I desperately needed when I was on them and I
Speaker 1: happened to use to come off them. You don't have
Speaker 1: to do that, that's a story. But like, honestly I
Speaker 1: needed this, especially the Method and Wild Habits, the Wild Method,
Speaker 1: Like I fucking needed this so badly in my best
Speaker 1: moments and my worst moments, and the moments where I
Speaker 1: decided that, you know, I was going to come off
Speaker 1: all these drugs, and the moments I decided I was
Speaker 1: going to go on them to begin with. Like, I
Speaker 1: needed this because it would have really really informed my
Speaker 1: decisions in a way that nothing else had done. And
Speaker 1: I really my greatest mission really is to help people
Speaker 1: before they're at their wits end. When did this become
Speaker 1: your soul's mission? Because that's really the point of my
Speaker 1: podcast is I'm all about soulfull living, finding your passionate
Speaker 1: your call, and also inspiring the everyday woman because I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of women especially get stuck and
Speaker 1: they just get like overwhelmed by life, and then they
Speaker 1: can't figure out how to live a soulful life and
Speaker 1: how to find a purpose and add meeting into the
Speaker 1: world because everyone has something that can add and oftentimes
Speaker 1: your case in point, it's your greatest hardship that leads
Speaker 1: to your greatest blessing. But how did this become your
Speaker 1: soul's work? When did you decide to like turn it
Speaker 1: and be like I'm done, Like fuck this, I'm out.
Speaker 1: I attempted suicide. You did eleven and I want stars
Speaker 1: to show for it. I still have to look at
Speaker 1: that every day and go, I'm never going to do
Speaker 1: that again, and I'm going to make sure nobody does this.
Speaker 1: So what got you to that point where you just hopeless?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I was hopeless. I was helpless. I
Speaker 1: was um at a job that I hated. I was overworked.
Speaker 1: I was in a city that that depressed me. I
Speaker 1: was in a relationship that was abusive, and every way
Speaker 1: you can think, go like he'd literally tried to kill me.
Speaker 1: I had a restraining order against him, and I was
Speaker 1: still with him. Like I was making all the fucking
Speaker 1: wrong decisions, the wrong decisions. It was the fault you
Speaker 1: didn't know. Like knowing your family was like encouraging me
Speaker 1: to be with that person. That's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: don't need to blame them in any way to perform.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, It's just when you come from a
Speaker 1: pattern of dysfunction, it's really hard to see the light,
Speaker 1: right because the people who are supposed to care about
Speaker 1: you the most, they don't know how to live. And
Speaker 1: then we end up by talking my book about how
Speaker 1: it's just easier to be the victim. We end up
Speaker 1: blaming our parents for our shortcomings and like, oh, they
Speaker 1: never taught me anything, and I don't know how to
Speaker 1: manage money and I don't know how to have a relationship.
Speaker 1: And while that might be true, like you're not your parents,
Speaker 1: you don't have to live. The family is telling you
Speaker 1: to live or repeat the same mistakes just because nobody
Speaker 1: taught you any better. Like, if anything, this is your
Speaker 1: opportunity of nobody set standards for you. Guess what set
Speaker 1: them for yourself? And that's what I really started, like
Speaker 1: after my suicide attempt, Like in that moment I really
Speaker 1: realized that you want to follow through with it? Or
Speaker 1: was it an accident that it didn't follow through. I
Speaker 1: I wanted to follow through with it, and my my
Speaker 1: abusive boyfriend at the time, who soon became my ex
Speaker 1: within a few days, like, showed up at my apartment
Speaker 1: in the middle of it, and um, I think that
Speaker 1: was a divine blessing in disguise, because like holy ship
Speaker 1: that I mean, yeah, Like it was honestly the bit.
Speaker 1: And I realized that even though every single thing in
Speaker 1: my life had said no, like a forest outside of me,
Speaker 1: had said yes, and I needed to just accept that
Speaker 1: and continue to bless that up and be grateful for
Speaker 1: that because my best friend had taken her own life
Speaker 1: just a few months before, which was part of the
Speaker 1: catalyst to this kind of award spiral. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it not only I mean you see when you see
Speaker 1: suicide statistics, you'll see when you know, it becomes this
Speaker 1: weird domino effect where one person does it and then
Speaker 1: other people around them sometimes end up doing it. It's
Speaker 1: almost like it's almost like, well, here's my escape. Okay,
Speaker 1: someone else did it, so maybe I can do it too.
Speaker 1: Is that how it starts to put thoughts in your head?
Speaker 1: You know? She was one of the smartest, most intelligent,
Speaker 1: most incredible people that I knew one of my best
Speaker 1: friends ever, like I'd spent more time with her than
Speaker 1: almost anyone else in my life, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: if she thought this was the way out, like maybe
Speaker 1: it's the way. Maybe it's the way, And then realizing
Speaker 1: literally what was crazy was I realized In that same moment,
Speaker 1: I realized that I'm a divine human being who has
Speaker 1: made a lot of mistakes. I also realized that everybody
Speaker 1: attempts or commits suicide for the same reason, which is
Speaker 1: not that they hate their life. It's that they want
Speaker 1: to escape their pain. And it's a it's a permanent
Speaker 1: solution to a very very temporary problem, and every single
Speaker 1: person who does it wants to live their best life.
Speaker 1: They don't want to die, No, they just hate They
Speaker 1: just can't figure out how to get out of this hell.
Speaker 1: They're in correct, and you wouldn't because you wouldn't take
Speaker 1: the drastic steps if you were just dissatisfied with your life.
Speaker 1: You're in a massive amount of pain and you want
Speaker 1: to live your best life and you feel like you
Speaker 1: can't and and like there's no hope. And that's why
Speaker 1: I realized she had done it, which, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she didn't want to die her best life and she
Speaker 1: was hopeless and all you need is hope and I had.
Speaker 1: That's when I really started to gain hope, which is
Speaker 1: something I had not ever had in my life. What
Speaker 1: did hope look like? How did it come to you?
Speaker 1: What did it feel like? It felt like being a child,
Speaker 1: like like in a good way, in a good way,
Speaker 1: not in like the wave that my whole childhood had
Speaker 1: been just these like fucked up traumatic memories I can
Speaker 1: never talk to anybody about. It felt like the purest
Speaker 1: parts of being a child, when you're such a child
Speaker 1: that you don't even know anything is wrong because you're
Speaker 1: living in your imagine, your nation. And once I started
Speaker 1: to embrace that, I could use my imagination for a
Speaker 1: higher purpose to manifest my dearest dreams and goals. And
Speaker 1: then I started to do that, and then it started
Speaker 1: to work. Okay, Like, how did you find about manifesting
Speaker 1: and visualizing and living your highest self? Because not everyone
Speaker 1: gets to that place? We did you just wake up
Speaker 1: so much after you got to your rock bottom? Or
Speaker 1: how did you get into No? So I was like
Speaker 1: super duper science background, like hardcore, like I grown up Catholic, right,
Speaker 1: and then I went pretty much pendulum atheist, and then
Speaker 1: I was like somewhere in the middle where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I haven't run a self help book in a really
Speaker 1: fucking long time. So I really I was a hard
Speaker 1: ask New Yorker. You know, I wasn't woo at all.
Speaker 1: And somebody said the word manifest to me and probably
Speaker 1: would have laughed in their space, like so lame any
Speaker 1: language are you speaking, like, okay, magic voodoo off the Yeah, exactly, Yeah, no, totally.
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, I was an avid reader
Speaker 1: as a kid, and I always used to pick up
Speaker 1: like books on like Wicca and like mysticism and um
Speaker 1: books about like the saints who received Stigmata and like
Speaker 1: all that stuff had always really intrigued me. And when
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, I like pray for signs
Speaker 1: from God and pray for Stigmata and like just weird.
Speaker 1: I don't know if kids do this, but it was
Speaker 1: like it definitely set me up for being interested in
Speaker 1: these things. So once I made this decision, it was
Speaker 1: really weird because I have a lot of books, as
Speaker 1: anyone who maybe follows my Instagram stories and stuff you
Speaker 1: can see because no matter what you're hiring, everything you
Speaker 1: post so love it. Things love. Um. But on my stories,
Speaker 1: like when I share pretty much any room in my house,
Speaker 1: there's books and there's books on books on books on books,
Speaker 1: umnesting like self help, it's a combination. So I love
Speaker 1: all different kinds of books. I love like sci fi
Speaker 1: and fiction and you're all of the well and like
Speaker 1: I've got like fifty copies of the Bible. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: I just I love old books, Like I'm really into
Speaker 1: all different kinds of stuff. And so there was books
Speaker 1: I carried around with me for years that I literally
Speaker 1: either hadn't read since I was a really little kid
Speaker 1: or just really hadn't opened. And when I opened myself
Speaker 1: up to this new idea of healing, I literally was
Speaker 1: rearranging books and they like fell off the shelf, story
Speaker 1: it was like. And then I read them and it
Speaker 1: was like they spoke directly to the ailments I was facing.
Speaker 1: Like that's how I learned to start using tumoric for
Speaker 1: my pain and Valerian for anxiety and skull cap you
Speaker 1: just rub oil on or do you swallow it? Or
Speaker 1: so I swallow supplements. I used tinctures UM when I
Speaker 1: wanted to be really concentrated. They're concentrated. You can get
Speaker 1: them either UM an alcohol form or nonalcoholic, and they're
Speaker 1: just like concentrated versions of the herb that are liquid
Speaker 1: that you can add to tease and you're inanks in
Speaker 1: your water. UM. I also take supplements. I also just
Speaker 1: used the raw ginger and tumeric and garlic and stuff
Speaker 1: just on everything in tease, in salads. Like when I'm
Speaker 1: saying work, it really worked. Like, Okay, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I was on fentanyl, which is killing more people in
Speaker 1: this country than any other pharmaceutical jarter because it's a
Speaker 1: really heavy duty narcotic that is a hundred times more
Speaker 1: powerful than morphine and ten times deadlier than heroin. And
Speaker 1: here's why it takes a hundred milligrams of heroin to
Speaker 1: kill a full grown man. It only takes ten milligrams
Speaker 1: of fentanyl. And how many milligrams are you taking a day?
Speaker 1: I was on the patches and I can't remember how
Speaker 1: many milligrams those were. But that was just on you
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, it was just on me, just
Speaker 1: sleeping in through my bloodstream. Oh yeah, great. So I
Speaker 1: went from taking fentanel to literally drinking tumoric t and
Speaker 1: with like a little skull cap tincture and actually being
Speaker 1: pain free. Here's the other things. I'm opiate intolerant, so
Speaker 1: I would take all these and by the way, no
Speaker 1: doctor ever told me this. I have to figure this
Speaker 1: out by vomiting taking opiates. Like that's why they gave
Speaker 1: me the patches, because I couldn't actually swallow them. I
Speaker 1: would throw up everything. Like your body is rejecting this,
Speaker 1: so we're just gonna stick it on your arm yep ye, No, seriously,
Speaker 1: they've got fentanyl lollipops. They've got I mean they literally
Speaker 1: do they have fentanyl lollipops. I don't know if anyone
Speaker 1: remembers the intervention episode with the fentanyl lollipop girl, you
Speaker 1: need to google that immediately because that ship she literally
Speaker 1: became schizophrenic on this stuff. And it's a lollipop wow
Speaker 1: full of pain killers. Okay, like it's real. Sounds off.
Speaker 1: I mean, this sounds like it can't be legal. Um,
Speaker 1: So here's the thing I point this out in my
Speaker 1: book to like, isn't legal? Surprisingly, yes, But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: The pharmaceutical company is have to pay millions to sometimes
Speaker 1: billions of dollars in fees after these drugs inevitably either
Speaker 1: don't work, or kill people, or have crazy side effects
Speaker 1: or all of the above. Right right now, every single
Speaker 1: state in the country is suing the company who makes
Speaker 1: fential because of the overdose deaths, including Ohio. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if they won that case. But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: Like just buy ox. For example, a drug I was on,
Speaker 1: an anti inflammatory drug I was on in high school
Speaker 1: through college. They took it off the market. And when
Speaker 1: they took it off the market, a bunch of states
Speaker 1: sued them. The company Mark, who and is ironically my
Speaker 1: alma mater from my college. They have a dorm named
Speaker 1: after them. Uh So they sued the Mark Drug companies
Speaker 1: for I think a hundred and eighty million dollars. Wow,
Speaker 1: And they won and Mark had to pay them a
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty million dollars. But it barely made a
Speaker 1: dent because Mark made fourteen billion dollars that year. Not
Speaker 1: that's none of books. The blocket change. Yeah, it's literally
Speaker 1: a hundred bucks. It's like, so they killed these people
Speaker 1: and then they basically have to pay a hundred bucks
Speaker 1: and fines and then they're allowed to just go back
Speaker 1: and do whatever the hell they were doing before. So
Speaker 1: when did you decided to write a book? Like, when
Speaker 1: did you get your formula laid out? Like you had
Speaker 1: your stuff that was working for you, you're off of everything,
Speaker 1: and when did you because your first you wrote a
Speaker 1: book before Wild Habits, Wild Habit, Just when did you
Speaker 1: decide to put on a book? So I put it
Speaker 1: on my and my blog first Organic Life. Is that
Speaker 1: what it said? Yeah, the Organic Life blog dot com
Speaker 1: was my book. My first blog, well not my first blog.
Speaker 1: I had a blog out live journal, so I was
Speaker 1: like fourteen, but this was like my blog about this journey.
Speaker 1: And my publishing company found my blog and it came
Speaker 1: to me and asked if I would write Cured My Nature,
Speaker 1: And I like, so they you it came to me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which happens, by the way, if you write a lot
Speaker 1: of content for free, eventually somebody will come and ask
Speaker 1: if they can pay you for it. Hey, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Hey it went on to be a best seller, and
Speaker 1: they went on to be a best seller in the
Speaker 1: first week, which was crazy with this book because this
Speaker 1: book was number one new released a month before it
Speaker 1: came out, and I was like all impressed with myself
Speaker 1: last time that it was the week it came out.
Speaker 1: So Habits is already like number one a week before
Speaker 1: it came out. Wild Habits was number one a month
Speaker 1: before it came out. But I'm lucky I talked to you.
Speaker 1: You're so incredible author. Thanks man. No, I was like,
Speaker 1: really surreal to just go look. It was right after
Speaker 1: I announced. Damn time that you get your reward. You know,
Speaker 1: thank you, love. I appreciate that because I literally like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I made this decision a change,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like anybody you know, encouraged it for
Speaker 1: a while. I wasn't to go through that, like like
Speaker 1: hell boot camp for your whole life and then you
Speaker 1: could write this book. You're like here because of my
Speaker 1: all my pain, I can now write this amazing. But
Speaker 1: but I mean, I guess it is now worth it
Speaker 1: because you've turned into something so beautiful. It's totally worth it.
Speaker 1: It's totally worth it. I think you feel that way.
Speaker 1: I do. I do, Oh god, yeah, no, I have.
Speaker 1: I understand. It's so weird to come to a place
Speaker 1: where you recognize why every single shitty thing in your
Speaker 1: life happened to you, especially all that stuff, like most
Speaker 1: people can't get over that kind of trauma, Like most
Speaker 1: people are aren't like you. I feel like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: most people are not like me. And not that I'm
Speaker 1: like so no, not to say like I'm so, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying most people are not like me, Like they
Speaker 1: don't you know, it's it's what and that made me
Speaker 1: feel very lonely for a really long time. That's why
Speaker 1: I say it is that I really was coming from
Speaker 1: a place where most people are not like me, and
Speaker 1: that's a bad thing. And honestly, the book and the
Speaker 1: point of the book is really just switching your mentality
Speaker 1: and to switch it to that of like, most people
Speaker 1: are not like me, and to own that and to
Speaker 1: have that empower you as a person and empower what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I mean, that's a one eighty. That's a
Speaker 1: true one eighty of like really feeling told really alone
Speaker 1: because people don't get you, to really being like I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck of people get me, and then
Speaker 1: people really get you because they feel the same way. Yes,
Speaker 1: did you how did you feel when you Obviously this
Speaker 1: book is what we'll talk about this one too, but
Speaker 1: when you wrote that first book and all of your
Speaker 1: trials and tribulations came out, it became a number one bestseller,
Speaker 1: and then people are coming to you probably saying like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, thank you for writing this book. You
Speaker 1: are speaking directly to me, You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like you have changed my life, Like how did that
Speaker 1: moment feel to go from all of the darkness to
Speaker 1: all of a sudden You are a beacon of light
Speaker 1: for people. That's why I do this. I don't do
Speaker 1: this doesn't pay me money, This doesn't like, this is
Speaker 1: not a lucrative career. I do this because for that,
Speaker 1: that's my reward. Is because like I needed that so badly,
Speaker 1: and all I wanted to do was give that to
Speaker 1: someone else. Like that's true happiness for me is is
Speaker 1: the altruism of like because you know the pain, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I know, and I know what it feels like
Speaker 1: to feel like you're not going to get over it,
Speaker 1: And I know the fear, and I know the fear
Speaker 1: of the future, and I know the fear of not
Speaker 1: having hope or not having anyone um there to support you.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Like I also want to let
Speaker 1: people know that once you get to the point where
Speaker 1: you can support yourself, the right people who truly do
Speaker 1: support you will show up. And I don't mean support
Speaker 1: yourself financially or any of these things that port your vision,
Speaker 1: your cause, your purpose, port your vision, support the core
Speaker 1: of what you really care about, because once you really
Speaker 1: start doing that and living that, the people who get
Speaker 1: that will show up, and then you'll find a true support.
Speaker 1: You've always been banging your head wondering where the funk
Speaker 1: it is. That's where it shows up is when you
Speaker 1: start living it. Other people can't help but respond to that.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I feel that, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel so lucky that I did put in the
Speaker 1: self work because now I have the true support I
Speaker 1: was looking for the whole time. So talk to me
Speaker 1: about and I feel like I want to. It's men
Speaker 1: and women, but I primarily like to focus on women
Speaker 1: because I just like women are superheroes. But a lot
Speaker 1: of times we lose our capes sometimes. Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: You know, like, how does a woman who feels trapped,
Speaker 1: you know, like in her own life. So she's like
Speaker 1: got kids, she's a single mom, she's working hard, and
Speaker 1: she just like can't figure out how to own her life,
Speaker 1: how to feel that soulful living, how to get out
Speaker 1: of this grind, like how do you tell people over
Speaker 1: overcoming your struggles and to relate to other struggles? Like
Speaker 1: how do people get out of this place where they're
Speaker 1: stuck but all they want to do is like you said,
Speaker 1: your best friend is lived their best life, but you
Speaker 1: can't because you feel stuck. What is your advice to
Speaker 1: people who are in that situation right now? In all areas?
Speaker 1: So that's why I invented the Wild Method, and that's
Speaker 1: why I wrote the new book is even the Wild Method,
Speaker 1: and then it can get you out of exactly what
Speaker 1: we're talking about. I have that story of a mother
Speaker 1: of two who really just didn't know what to do
Speaker 1: to Picky Toddler's home every day, husband's the doctor like never,
Speaker 1: you know, never home, and she um, she used the
Speaker 1: Wild Method, And honestly, and I've used it over and
Speaker 1: over and over and over again depending on what I'm
Speaker 1: going through, because it applies to so many things. So
Speaker 1: I would say to that that mother, that person that
Speaker 1: doesn't know what the next step is or even what
Speaker 1: tomorrow may look like, the Wild Method comes in extremely handy.
Speaker 1: So wild is an acronym. The W stands for willingness. Right.
Speaker 1: You need to have the willingness to acknowledge that something
Speaker 1: is not working, that you were unhappy, why you're unhappy,
Speaker 1: and what what would make you happy instead? And then
Speaker 1: you need to have the intuition take a little soul searching.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people a little searching that you're in such a
Speaker 1: right you might not even know what would make you
Speaker 1: happy exactly, so you need to use your intuition. The
Speaker 1: next step in the E stands for intuition is to
Speaker 1: use your intuition to ask yourself what brings you joy?
Speaker 1: When's the last time you laugh your ass off? Who
Speaker 1: can you spend your time around that will make your
Speaker 1: life better? Who truly supports you? Who can you call
Speaker 1: who are just going to make your life better? What
Speaker 1: time can you get up in the morning? What can
Speaker 1: you do for your children so that they're not clinging
Speaker 1: onto you every morning? Um? And then the next step
Speaker 1: is L stands for love. You know, you need to
Speaker 1: use the love like the self love really to give
Speaker 1: yourself the space to ask yourself these questions and then
Speaker 1: implement the answers into your life. And then the do
Speaker 1: you stands for discipline. You need to do that over
Speaker 1: and over and over again until it becomes a new habit.
Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like so many people don't
Speaker 1: realize is and you touch on this so well, just
Speaker 1: like through your Instagram and like that, checked out your
Speaker 1: blog and watching you do videos and stuff. You are
Speaker 1: so good at being intentional and living intentionally. And I
Speaker 1: feel like so many people miss that major, major, major
Speaker 1: thing that is really what makes people happy, because people
Speaker 1: will look at you and they're they're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: you are so beautiful, You're so happy. How do you
Speaker 1: have happiness? But it is an intentional choice that takes
Speaker 1: discipline every day. You have to train yourself. You have
Speaker 1: to train yourself, just like you've trained yourself to think
Speaker 1: the other way. People think that they haven't trained themselves
Speaker 1: to think negatively. You absolutely have. And you can use
Speaker 1: the same power that's got you wherever you are right
Speaker 1: now to get you to wherever you want to be.
Speaker 1: I say that you know, for any circumstance, whether you're
Speaker 1: at the worst possible place, you're kind of somewhere in mediocre,
Speaker 1: or you're at the top of your game and you
Speaker 1: just want to get better, Like you can use your
Speaker 1: past to propel your future, you don't have to use
Speaker 1: it as a jail sentence. How do you change that thinking?
Speaker 1: How do you? What do you? What is your technique
Speaker 1: for I guess it's the Wild Method. That when the
Speaker 1: Wild Method, you need to be willing to change. I
Speaker 1: mean like, literally, any time I get stuck, anytime I
Speaker 1: catch myself, I'm like, I'm not using the method because
Speaker 1: if I was, I would be willing to change. I'd
Speaker 1: be using my intuition. I'd be doing something self loving,
Speaker 1: and I would know I was doing it because I
Speaker 1: would be doing it over and over I can. And
Speaker 1: so every single time you're not doing something self loving
Speaker 1: and you're not doing something self serving in a way
Speaker 1: that's really going to help you, um, you just need
Speaker 1: to come back to the method. And that's that's for
Speaker 1: me been and it's been incredible for me to watch
Speaker 1: it change so many people's lives, from people who are
Speaker 1: get over getting over childhood trauma, to people who just
Speaker 1: want to start exercising, to my friends who are looking
Speaker 1: for new jobs and can't figure out how to get
Speaker 1: out of the sprout. There's so many exercises in the
Speaker 1: book too that. I mean, we'd be here for seven
Speaker 1: hours if I wan through all of them. But like
Speaker 1: I just see, for the rest of my life, I
Speaker 1: never stop talking to you. But I know you have
Speaker 1: things to do, so no, it's all good. No, But
Speaker 1: I just want to explain that there are exercises. I
Speaker 1: don't say this like you know, as a blanket statement.
Speaker 1: There are many exercises in the book. And I went
Speaker 1: through one of my my book launch party in San Diego, Yestra,
Speaker 1: and people were crying because it's a visualization exercise that
Speaker 1: will if you have any trouble figuring out what your
Speaker 1: passion or what the thing that you're here to do is.
Speaker 1: I have visual visualization exercises in the book that will
Speaker 1: bring you right there, I mean, into that moment, and
Speaker 1: you'll know immediately and you'll know how to get there.
Speaker 1: Is there? Is it? Is it a long process or
Speaker 1: can you tell me how to do it? I can
Speaker 1: tell you how to do it. I love visualizing. Okay, awesome,
Speaker 1: let's do it right now. Okay, so let's close our
Speaker 1: eyes and everyone listening now your accent is okayed, by
Speaker 1: the way, Oh my god, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: it is. It's like a small gosh, hell, I can't
Speaker 1: think you're good. Okay, We're going to close our eyes, okay,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see ourselves in a theater, like a
Speaker 1: movie theater, looking at a blank screen. It's totally black,
Speaker 1: and now on the screen you appeared, and in the
Speaker 1: background is your dearest dream and goal. So you are
Speaker 1: doing the thing that is the most close to your heart,
Speaker 1: the thing that seems the most and craziest, almost unachievable,
Speaker 1: but you know it's what you're put here to do.
Speaker 1: Somebody comes out on the side with a microphone and
Speaker 1: asks you how you got here, and you take them
Speaker 1: through from this very moment right now two the moment
Speaker 1: that they showed up and asked you the question. They
Speaker 1: thank you and kind of disappear into the background. The
Speaker 1: background disappears, and it's just you up there again. Really
Speaker 1: feel the moment, not just for a minute, but like
Speaker 1: try to carry it with you for the rest of
Speaker 1: the day. Perfect also exactly what you're put here to
Speaker 1: do and exactly how to get there, and you kind
Speaker 1: of just have to figure it out really fastly because
Speaker 1: when I think about what my exact purposes, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a little wide. But when you have like
Speaker 1: put it into one thing, you have to figure it
Speaker 1: out really fast to it. Yeah, you have to condense it,
Speaker 1: which is great because I'm like to really feel it
Speaker 1: because within the same category, I like to do several things,
Speaker 1: but like it made me think about my one that
Speaker 1: I love the most. Yeah, exactly, So it should pinpoint
Speaker 1: and then all the other things you're doing around it
Speaker 1: are things you're doing now that bring you joy. Should
Speaker 1: be things that really support it and that that would
Speaker 1: allow you to continue to do if you really wanted to.
Speaker 1: But that moment should be yours. Tara, You're amazing. I
Speaker 1: like to leave every I like to leave every interview
Speaker 1: with leave your light. But you are just pure light.
Speaker 1: Everything you have said is light and just amazing. I
Speaker 1: feel honored that I got to chat with you. But
Speaker 1: I like to wrap up with just leave some inspiration
Speaker 1: for all of those who are falling along with you,
Speaker 1: who have who hear your story, who resonate with it.
Speaker 1: What do you want them to know just about anything?
Speaker 1: Like what do you want to tell people? Like just
Speaker 1: if you had one blanket thing that you just want
Speaker 1: to like, this is what you need to know? What
Speaker 1: is it. I want people to know that they can
Speaker 1: work hard for fifty years and not be able to
Speaker 1: accomplish what they can accomplish in five years, as long
Speaker 1: as they have the right tools. How do you get
Speaker 1: the right tools? Well, books like Wild Habits give you
Speaker 1: the right tools to get on a path. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's the only tool, but I really hope it
Speaker 1: becomes a great tool that you use to get you
Speaker 1: to other tools that will get you to where you're
Speaker 1: meant to go. So just Wild Habits, what is the
Speaker 1: what is the like? If you're going to just like
Speaker 1: summarize what Wild Habits is all about, what is it?
Speaker 1: The wild method? It's a method that helps you to
Speaker 1: propel your life and whatever your intended direction is amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't purport to tell you exactly what the book
Speaker 1: is going to do for you, because I feel like
Speaker 1: it's different for everyone. And that's why I just want
Speaker 1: to give people the tools because everyone's journey is completely
Speaker 1: different and I just want people to own it and
Speaker 1: I want people to have a wildlife. Have you met
Speaker 1: Oprah and Deepak yet? I've met Eepac. I meant Deepak
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. Yeah, it was amazing. These are
Speaker 1: like this is like you're going like you're having all
Speaker 1: those people. I'm like, you're gonna have Oprah's number at
Speaker 1: no time. Yeah, I love that you just said that.
Speaker 1: I love him. Deepak is amazing. He's so much more
Speaker 1: like gentle than you would like think he is. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He's very humble and gentle and
Speaker 1: soft spoken and down to earth and he's great. His
Speaker 1: daughter Malik is also amazing. Wow, you are amazing. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited I got to chat with you, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep watching you just changing the world in the
Speaker 1: most beautiful wild way. And thank god you're out here
Speaker 1: doing this. We need you know, thank thank everything. I
Speaker 1: mean honestly, like I feel so grateful. I feel like
Speaker 1: gratitude is is top priority for me because every single
Speaker 1: day I'm just like, I get to do what cool
Speaker 1: help people become their highest self wonderful and you're but
Speaker 1: you're all living in your highest self and you forget that.
Speaker 1: You will like for the past before that really paid
Speaker 1: your dues to get to live in your highest self.
Speaker 1: I definitely don't. I thank younger me, I thank seven
Speaker 1: year old man's and seventy year old me all the time.
Speaker 1: Seven y year old me is always telling me to
Speaker 1: work harder because she wants to drink more rose, and
Speaker 1: seven year old me it's always telling me to slow
Speaker 1: down and appreciate what the funk I have builds for
Speaker 1: myself in these last few years. So there's always this
Speaker 1: small dichotomy, but I I appreciate it. Gratitude is at
Speaker 1: the center of all of it. I have a tattooed
Speaker 1: all my wrist. Yes, I love that because that same thing,
Speaker 1: like gratitude, changes everything. Yeah, it's that's beautiful. I love
Speaker 1: that tattoo. You're amazing. Thank you so much. I'm now
Speaker 1: obsessed with you for the rest of my life. There's
Speaker 1: nothing I can do about it, and you're just the greatest.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with you for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me on and you know,
Speaker 1: chat me up anytime. I already miss you. Don't don't cheasee,
Speaker 1: but don't don't joy with me because you know I'm
Speaker 1: not girl crushing on you. I'm girl crushed on you,
Speaker 1: especially since we just did this with the video, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn okay and her accent and she scored
Speaker 1: this here. You're amazing. You are so so, so amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for sharing
Speaker 1: your gift of the world. Thank you for being brave,
Speaker 1: thank you for being wild. I'm gonna cry again because
Speaker 1: I just your sweet little girl that you look through
Speaker 1: your heart. It's so amazing what you've done with your
Speaker 1: life and your true example of you the busn the life.
Speaker 1: Oh you're the bust. Thank you for being in my life.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Tara. How amazing was that interview? Tara is
Speaker 1: so incredible. I cried a couple of times and I
Speaker 1: just couldn't get over how much she's overcome, how strong
Speaker 1: she is, What a beautiful life she's turned in all
Speaker 1: of her tragedy into talk about turning tragedy into triumph.
Speaker 1: What an example you guys. Make sure and check her out,
Speaker 1: get her books. She's everything, everything, everything. It was the
Speaker 1: best interview ever. And I'll see you guys next week.
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