1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Without that moment, Yeah, you don't get shut up and 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: du Without that moment, you don't get more than an athlete. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Without that moment, you don't get a lot of things 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: that have come after that with athletes willing to talk 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: about their political stance. You don't get it. And so 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: would I give up a job for that? Hell? Yeah, 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: that story is powerful? Is powerful. We change the world 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: with that uber campaign. Here is Bosama st John are naked. 9 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: Every champion and cavery champion is to be a Champiana 10 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: champion and carry champion and carry champion, a champion and 11 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: carry champion and carry champions and sports. And then the 12 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: team making Naked more in the world. With vulnerable considered, 13 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: we come and remove a vail from entertainment elite. It's 14 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: a difference between what it's real and with the public seas. 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: So here's your favorite celebrities behind the scenes. It's refreshing up. 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: Then the whole story specific life ought to rendevents to 17 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: shape the person that you here. We gotta champion, they 18 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: carry champion. They girl, you didn't. It's the greatest of 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: sports and entertainment Connaked with Harry Champion, they carry champions 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: to be a champion a champion, they carry champion, they 21 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: chat the champion, they carry champion, they carry Champion. Raiders, 22 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Raiders and sports and entertaining can Naked. Hey, everybody, welcome 23 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: to you Naked. Uh. This is good. I'm really happy 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: for you guys. I'm happy for you and I'm happy 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: for me. This podcast is really really special, um, period 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: the podcast in general, and I hope you all are 27 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: finding that you are getting what you need. Um. But 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: the point of Naked is to really talk to people 29 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: and let them give us their stories. But sometimes it's 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: just the key key as well. Today we have both 31 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: a story and a key key. She is the chief 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: marketing officer for Netflix. She is arguably the most powerful 33 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: black woman in the C suite in the world that 34 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: because of the company that she works for, which is Netflix. 35 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: I have known her for a little over maybe five 36 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: six years, and I've watched her rise and it has 37 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: been swift and mighty. She has all of these titles 38 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: and she's done so much work. But she has become 39 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: my best friend, so that one is arguably the most important. 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: And if anyone has a really close friend, you understand 41 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: it's hard to interview people because you already know them 42 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: and you already know their struggle, and you already know 43 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: their wins and losses, and then you know intimately so 44 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: many things, and you want to get it all in, 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: but you can't because we didn't. But you want them 46 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: to share the story. You don't want to take the 47 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: story away from them, and I find myself trying not 48 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: to do that with Bosamus at John By way of background, 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: we film this prior to her birthday, and if you'll 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: follow me on, I g or even her for that man, 51 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: or more so her, because she documented most You may 52 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: have seen this fabulous Cabo trip we went on, and 53 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: when I tell you it was black women luxuriating black 54 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: girls living large, it was beautiful and it's not subjectively 55 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: living large. Everyone would agree the opulence was amazing and 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: also annoying if you weren't there, because you're like, okay, enough, 57 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to see this no more, but but 58 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: but here, but hear me, hear me. People. We're in 59 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: the midst of this endemic, not pandemic, okay, because it's 60 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: I don't see it ending anytime soon. And if you 61 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: don't find moments of joy and hold onto these moments 62 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: of joy, you're not gonna make it. And while we 63 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: are out here hustling and working hard, you best believe 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: when we broke free for those few days to celebrate 65 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: this woman, we were in heaven. And then obviously we 66 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: came right back to work and got right back to work, 67 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: and the world hit us again and tried to knock 68 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: us down again, day in and day out. That's how 69 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: that works. But I want you to understand and that 70 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: some people are chosen and set apart. I've said that before. 71 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: I feel that way about me right not in a 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: bragging way, but just chosen, set apart. Your voice is 73 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: here for a reason, Carrie Champion and Bosama st. John, 74 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: her presence is here for a reason. It's a reminder 75 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: to reimagine. Listen to that. It is a reminder to reimagine. 76 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: Reimagine what executive C suite officers should look like. Reimagine 77 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: what you should look like and how you should live 78 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: your life. Just reimagine, do it differently. Instead of trying 79 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: to appease and meet people in the middle. I liken 80 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: it to the political situation that we're in. I feel 81 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: like democrats are always trying to appeal to moderates. The 82 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: moderates Hey, hey, come with me, be my friend. Instead 83 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: of just doing, sometimes you cannot ask. In fact, oftentimes 84 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: you can't ask, you must do because people will tell 85 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: you to take the road more traveled, the road that 86 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: is easier, less complicated, less controversial, not Bozima. St. John. 87 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: So sit back and relax and listen to two girlfriends Kiki. 88 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: But most importantly, I hope you are inspired. That's why 89 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: she's here and supposed to. St. John. Thank you so 90 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: much for coming on naked. I feel as if when 91 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: I have people that I love that are near and 92 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: dear to me on this podcast is hard for me 93 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: to interview them. But I never this is a true story. 94 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: I'm not guessing you. I never ever ever see you 95 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: in a way in which you can't give me something 96 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: new or some lesson or some sort of gem uh 97 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: justice who you are, And even if I've known you 98 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: for a thousand years, you'll say something I'm like, okay, 99 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: that makes sense, But then I won't tell you like 100 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, thank you, Thank you for letting me 101 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: know how brilliant I am all the time. All the time. 102 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: It's not I'm like dang I want to be to 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: shoot um. Now the CMO of Netflix. You all know 104 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: Bozoma St. John from being able to be um, a 105 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: woman who is always leading in an area that doesn't 106 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: have any of us, a brown woman, unapologetic, and I 107 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: love it and I'm grateful that she's joining us today. 108 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: It's been what how long has it been since you've 109 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: been on the gig? Almost a year in some change. Um, yeah, 110 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: I think it's been a year and a half year 111 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: a half okay, so eighteen months or so, okay, And 112 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: I and I'm looking at you, and I know that 113 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: you get up at the cracko dawn because this is worldwide, 114 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: there's always something going on. You can started meeting at three, 115 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: you can started meeting at five, but you have to 116 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: start your day early. Um, and you take it into 117 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: the night. M hm. Where do you get this crazy 118 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: amount of energy? M Um? Well, some of it I 119 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: think is practical and some of it is like the 120 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like the stuff that it is magical. 121 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: The practical stuff is that i'd like to sleep. I'm 122 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: playing by my sleep, okay, right. You know folks are 123 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: always like, oh, well, you know, when do you sleep? 124 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: It's like the number one question I get I'm like 125 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: at nine o'clock, I don't play it right, I'm not. 126 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: I'm not could be at her house, we could be 127 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: watching TV starting in on nine pm. I'm out, Okay, 128 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm not playing with you with my sleep because I 129 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: know what it what it takes, you know, I know, 130 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: I know what it takes for me to be at 131 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: my best, and I can't do it on four hours 132 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: and five hours. People who say that they do that, 133 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: God bless them. It's not me. So I need my 134 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: eight hours and I need my beauty sleep, and I 135 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: need to feel fully recharged when I wake up and 136 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: go into it every day. So that's the first. But 137 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: then secondly, like the magical part is that I really 138 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: love this. You know, this is not a game to 139 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: me that I eat, sleep, breathe, dream all the time. 140 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: And so the energy comes from wanting it. You know, 141 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: nothing has changed from when I was twenty four and 142 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: like chasing it. Sometimes I sit back and I'm like, 143 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: oh damn. Like I used to pray to be in 144 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: the seat, you know. I used to wish the people 145 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: would turn around and be like look at her, like 146 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: how did she do that? I used to want that 147 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: so much, And now I have it and I want more, 148 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: and so nothing has changed for me. And so that hunger, 149 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: that desire, the obsession with this, yeah, the same thing 150 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: and change. People will tell you that the obsession for 151 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: more and wanting more isn't always good. And you say 152 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: what to them, I say, they're lying, a lying, because 153 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: the thing is they wanted to. Of course they wanted to. 154 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: The thing is that they want different, and so that 155 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: is okay. We don't have to want the same more. 156 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: But you can't discount my desire to have more, because 157 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: it's not the same as yours. Yes, some people want 158 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: more vacation, they want more time to golf. I don't 159 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: want that. I want more awards, I want more title, 160 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: I want a bigger legacy, I want other things. And 161 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: so that desire is not minimized because somebody else doesn't 162 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: want the same more. We an't want more. We want 163 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: more days, one more hours, want more love. Yeah, but 164 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: you can't say that your desire for more is greater 165 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: than my desire for more. You say that with such conviction, 166 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 1: and I know you believe it, and I know that 167 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: I said to you in attacks, I want to talk 168 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: about how you normalize different and what I mean by 169 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: normalizing different is you have me thinking, well, but should 170 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: ain't nothing wrong with want more? Would be be unapologetic 171 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: about wanting more and more power and more accepts and 172 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: more resources. There's actually nothing wrong with saying that, but 173 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: of us, especially as women, are afraid to say that. 174 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: I know, how the hell are you normalizing the different 175 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: and making me think, well, ship? Am I crazy? You 176 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Well, because we're told that we're 177 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 1: not supposed to want more, that humility is the the goal, 178 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: you know, the thing that makes us more likable because 179 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: somehow we pretend is if the thing that we god 180 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: is so easy to come by. I will let you 181 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: know right now, the reason why I'm so unapologetic about 182 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: my ambition and the things I want and the triumphs 183 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: I've had is because it took every single last shred 184 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: of grace and grit for me to get it. So 185 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 1: why would I pretend as if that ship was easy 186 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: that to make somebody else feel comfortable with it? N Man, 187 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: everything had these nails in them, and so like, why 188 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: would I sit back and pretend like, oh no, with 189 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: no big deal. No, it's a big fucking deal. It's 190 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: a big deal. It's a big deal. It was not easy, 191 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to pretend like it was so 192 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: that you can what think that like this has just 193 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: rolled off my back. Now, come on, it took a lot, 194 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I'm proud of my ambition because it 195 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: got me here and it will get me further. It'll 196 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: get me further than everybody else that I left behind 197 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: the dust. You said to you things it took every 198 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: bit of grace and that you had correct But then 199 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: you also said why should I again? And I'm making 200 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: sure that I'm just gonna paraphrase, why should I make 201 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: me feel comfortable with my hard work and success? Yeah? 202 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: What the hell is that? Would you? You know? Because 203 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,359 Speaker 1: people feel bad about it. I think there's this weird 204 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: guilt the people feel. And I'm saying people asn't like 205 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: all people. It doesn't matter race or ethnicity or religion 206 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: or any of that. Um, the people feel the guilt. 207 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: They know that it's harder for us, but we don't 208 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: want to acknowledge it. They want us to pretend as 209 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: if it is easy because they feel comfortable. No, I'm 210 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: gonna let you know this ship was hard. It was hard, 211 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: and it's your fault, and so you should know that 212 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: that I'm not sitting here looking this good in this 213 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: cone because you made it easy for me. You didn't, 214 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: so you should know that. So why should I hide it? 215 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: Because the ship ain't easy? Excuse my friend. And by 216 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: the way, I your friend, your dear dear friend, your friend. 217 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: I want to help you. I try to make people 218 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: feel comfortable without going hard in the pain, and then 219 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: when I do go hard in the pain, I feel 220 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: bad about it. What kind of what kind of what 221 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: is this bacard As philosophy that the world has that 222 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: you don't girls because they they have ingrained in us 223 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: that we're not supposed to make them feel bad for 224 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: the things that they made us feel bad? How does 225 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: that even fair? You know what you like? It's not 226 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: I should I should make you feel comfortable for the 227 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: ways you made me feel uncomfortable. Kind of ship is that? No? 228 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: I it took hard work for me to get here, 229 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: and it is your fault. And I'm sitting here anyway 230 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: despite what you put in my way. And so yeah, 231 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm a boast about it because my road was a 232 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: lot tougher. Yeah, and you should feel guilty about that 233 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: because they don't know it's even guilt though, And by 234 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: day I mean whoever hate nonas they don't even know 235 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: the reason why they feel whatever animal ostage the mail 236 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: may feel towards us, but it doesn't translate into the real, 237 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: transparent feeling of you feel you feel shitty because you 238 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: made it so hard for me to be here, and 239 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: you're still while I'm here currently winning, you're still trying 240 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: to make it hard for me. Yes, yes, and you're 241 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: still trying to make me feel bad about showing you 242 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: how hard it was for me to get here. I'm 243 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: not letting it off that easy, U. No, no, no, 244 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: because the thing is that, like my celebration is actually 245 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: the only thing that keeps me afloat mhm, you know, 246 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: celebrating yourself keeps you, keeps you, Yeah, because like who 247 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: else gonna do it? They're all been all these obstacles 248 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: in my way, all of this degradation in my way, 249 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: all of this like gas lighting in my way. If 250 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: I hadn't celebrated myself can assistently, I wouldn't know my 251 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: greatness because who was couldn't tell me? Do you? So? 252 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: Now it's a habit you, but you do it so 253 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: effortlessly and when you get pushed back from whomever past 254 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: employe ers, Polly, does that ever get to you? I mean, 255 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't care. I feel like the strongest people in 256 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: the world can say it doesn't bother me. It affects something. 257 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: It bothers you in some way, right of course. Yeah. Yeah, 258 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: And I think it also just um, look, because I 259 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: can't just it's not just one blanket feeling right, because 260 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: some of the criticism or some of the pushback pushes 261 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: me forward. Some of it does make me want to 262 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: lay down and not get up, you know. Some of 263 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: it makes me question myself and then I'm wondering, like 264 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: maybe I should pay attention to that little thing because 265 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: maybe there's another that truth in there. So then it 266 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: makes me better, you know. So not all the criticism 267 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: is the same, um. But I do analyze it. I 268 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: never throw it away. I never just like dismiss it. 269 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: After I look at it, I'm just like, now, why 270 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: would they say something like that? And I'm like, oh, 271 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: because I hate Okay, then then I can dismiss it, 272 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: you know. But some things you do need to let 273 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: them in. The real talent, though, is letting it in, 274 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: but not letting it stay. So you have to let 275 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: it in so that you can analyze it, process it, 276 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, see if any if there's any truth in 277 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,359 Speaker 1: the criticism. But how if you're just doing it yourself, 278 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: how would you know? How will you know if there's 279 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: any truth? Because if you are the person to determine 280 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: if there's any truth, you could be jaded. Like how 281 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: do you do it with a therapist? Do you do 282 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: it with a dear friends? Do you do with people 283 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: you trust? So here's the other thing about self awareness 284 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: that we often don't acknowledge, right because yes, of course 285 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: you go to a therapist, go to a friend or whatever. 286 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: But the person is gonna know best whether or not 287 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: the ship is true as you you know who. The 288 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: third party is not going to know you as well 289 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: as you do. But that idea of being jaded is 290 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: a protection mechanism, you know. We use it to um 291 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: keep us from dealing with the hard stuff. Right, So 292 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: we say we're jaded because it's like, oh, that thing 293 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: has kept coming and kept coming and kept coming, so 294 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: now I'm just gonna be like just keep pushing and 295 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: pushing and pushing, and then you build a wall. And 296 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: that's what the jaded thing comes from right, But that's 297 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: just it's just a protection. And so you have to 298 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: be also aware of that. It's like as soon as 299 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: you start to feel like dismissive and yeah, you're jaded 300 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: about this particular idea or a concept about yourself, that's 301 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: actually the downfall. That's when you stop paying attention. And 302 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: every person in power, for every ruler who has ever 303 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: come down right, they say you don't get high. I 304 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: know on supply or famous poet Victorious b I G 305 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: gave us that one. You know is that like you 306 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: stop listening to the criticism. You know, you don't take 307 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: it in because you think that nobody knows as well 308 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: as you do. That's not true. But the self awareness, 309 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: the self understanding of like what actually applies to me 310 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: and what doesn't, that just comes from practice. That comes 311 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: from every time you're trying to build up that wall, 312 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: that jaded wall, bringing it back down, smacking it back down, 313 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: knowing that like, no, that's just that, that's just me 314 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: trying to protect myself. I get it, I get it. 315 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: It's not gonna harm me because you know it's not 316 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: gonna stay, the criticism gonna stay. This is gonna come 317 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: in for a little bit, don't pay a little bit 318 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: of rent, and I gonna kick it out. And so 319 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: if you understand that, and you trust that of yourself, 320 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: then why would you be afraid to analyze it because 321 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: you know it's gonna go. The people who are afraid 322 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna stay is because they know that once they 323 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: let it in, they don't have the power to get 324 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 1: it out. So if you are actually practicing and using 325 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: those muscles to be able to analyze things and see 326 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: twisting around, see, okay, is there any truth in this thing? No, 327 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: there isn't. Okay, get rid of it. Then if there is, 328 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: all right, I gotta listen to it. Let me make 329 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: a little mark and pay attention. And what you're talking 330 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: about now that self awareness is um a rare quality. 331 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: And you have something that I believe is self awareness 332 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: but also a naivete or an unwillingness to acknowledge that 333 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: works in tandem with self awareness, and that is powerful, 334 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: powerful combination. Nation. That was a serment, and there's more 335 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: on the other side. Please forgive us for Kei King 336 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, it's two girlfriends, this Kiki in 337 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: literally we'll be back gotta pay some bills in a moment. 338 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: Every champion and care every champion is to be a champion, 339 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: a champion and carry champion and carry chapion Champion and 340 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: carry chappion and carry Champion. It is the sports. And 341 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: then the same make and Naked work carry Champion. They 342 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: carrie chappion on the Champion. They carry Champion Chapi and 343 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: they care with Champion, they care with Welcome back to 344 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: Naked uh CMO of Netflix, Bozama st John. Can I 345 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: talk about Uber? And when we first met? Yes, yes, 346 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: yes please. So. By way of background, Bozeman and I 347 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: were introduced by a mutual friend of ours, Christine Timanto 348 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: was working at the sparks and I remember I had 349 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: followed her on social and just was in awe of 350 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: everything that you are hearing. And two minutes into meeting her, 351 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: she goes, Hey, I want you to be the face 352 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: of my new Uber campaign. And it was an amazing campaign. Um, 353 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: it is historical and when they write, when they write 354 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: in the history books about what it did and the 355 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: history books, Bosama's name will be attached to it. For 356 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: being the creator of this, of this project, I will 357 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: be a hatched to of her interviewing and being my 358 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: true honest self. Um, and it wants some rewards. You know, 359 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 1: it went under the radar, but it want some rewards. 360 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: So Bozema is CBO Chief Grand Officer. She gives me 361 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: a show called Rolling with the Champion. I'm driving with 362 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: sports icons if you will. So I'm not so much iconic. 363 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: But the one that really put us on the map 364 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: was with Lebron James and with Kevin Durant and that yeah, 365 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: and that archive footage is everywhere. Bosama fought for me 366 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: in a way that is unheard of, and it told 367 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: me that she was a real deal. ESPN didn't necessarily 368 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: want me to be the face of this huge project 369 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: that Uber was putting on national television and paying ad 370 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: spots for. And Bozeman refused to be bullied. She was 371 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: just like, no, this is the one next, huh okay. 372 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: And she just kind of told me in a very 373 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: nice way that they put you over there, but you 374 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: who am with And she put me in a position 375 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't need to win. Um in a journalistic way, 376 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: financial way, in a platform way. You did that with 377 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: all of your friends and one awards, shut up and 378 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: dribble that that that common saying came from the uber 379 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: campaign that Bozeman created while I was driving with Lebron 380 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: and Katie. You hear, shut up and dribble they need 381 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: to be trade mark to Ma Boo. Right, she's probably 382 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: gonna work on that tomorrow exactly. But you do. You 383 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: were unafraid to go in there and shake things up, 384 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: and as a result, I felt like you you probably 385 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: paid not necessarily a price, but people were not happy 386 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: with you. Talk to me about how that all settled. Yeah, well, 387 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: I mean, look, you're right. I think the you know, 388 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: sometimes we're afraid of going through a little bit of 389 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: pain for the legacy that is bigger than us, you know, 390 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: because you know what it's gonna take, the sacrifice it's 391 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: gonna take. And you're right, I sacrificed my job for you, 392 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: did I mean, look, but it was the right thing 393 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: to do. I'm still glad I did it. I would 394 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: do it again, you know, because one I think that 395 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: the long term effects of yes, propping up my friend 396 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: at a time when you needed it. Uh, It's something 397 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: that I don't regret. I would I would give my 398 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: job again to do it, you know, And I think 399 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: the idea of opening up that space for Lebron and 400 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: k D to talk the way they talked for the 401 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: first time ever, of course, brilliantly managed by you. Um yeah, okay, 402 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: because analistic excellence here um was also legacy driving you know. 403 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: Without that moment, yeah, you don't get shut up. And 404 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: without that moment, you don't get more than an athlete. 405 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: Without that moment, you don't get a lot of things 406 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: that have come after that with athletes willing to talk 407 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: about their political stance. You don't get it. And so 408 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: would I give up a job for that? Hell? Yeah? 409 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: But you know why I would do it though, because 410 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: I know I'm better than that job. I know that 411 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: I have so much more to give, and I have 412 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,959 Speaker 1: confidence knowing that the next thing that was gonna come 413 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: was gonna be bigger than that. And yes, that came true, 414 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: that was right, And so I took the bed. And 415 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: I think that would happen sometimes, that we forget our power, 416 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: you know, in those moments we say we always forget 417 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: our power, Yeah, because we're just like, oh, you know, 418 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: but like this is gonna put me in a bad way, 419 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: and then you know, I've got bills and the like, 420 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, got bills. I'm a single mom. Okay, I 421 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: got bills, I got a reputation. And like you already 422 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: said early on, it's not like these jobs are you know, 423 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,719 Speaker 1: dime a dozen, especially not for us. And so if 424 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: I mess up in one area, the likelihood that somebody 425 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: else is like, oh, yeah, go ahead and bring her 426 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: on that one who's a disruptor. Yeah, you bring her 427 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: on board. We want to hire a disruptor. If I disrupt, 428 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: hire the one who just like threw a bomb and 429 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: then ran away, you know, like no, but I know 430 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: my power, I know my worth, I understand how dope 431 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: I am. And so yes, I'm willing to see the 432 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: bigger picture and say, Okay, this is gonna be something 433 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: that we're gonna talk about in twenty years. I know it. 434 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: So I'm willing to give up this moment, to be 435 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: uncomfortable in this moment so that can happen, so that 436 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: can enable that thing to happen. So yeah, sacrifice sometimes 437 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: it requires that. Greatness does require sacrifice. It does doing 438 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: a little Sonati dribble over here because it's so emotional 439 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: for me because of what I watch you do. So 440 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: but with that being said, I do remember I didn't. 441 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: I remember the night before this is some bad un 442 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: information when we were getting ready to go to Cleveland 443 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: and you're like, Harry, I need I need a hit. 444 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: This better be like, no matter how close we are, 445 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: let's go back to business. If this, if this ain't 446 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: a hit, I ain't fooling with you. Well I gave 447 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: you four shows for a zillion dollars. This better be 448 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: a home run, my gal. Yeah, I remember all the 449 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: way together. Look, but that that was That was my 450 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: form of a pep talk, you know. I was you're 451 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,360 Speaker 1: gonna show up as your absolute best right, You're gonna 452 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: give me everything right, Like, yeah, it was special. I 453 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: called you afterwards. I was like, this is special. I 454 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: was like, we've never had I felt it in the moment, 455 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: and so I I always just want people to know, yes, 456 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna say Lebron James, and it was and and 457 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: and and that shut up in dribble moment. But you 458 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: don't know the genesis, the beginning, and usually it always 459 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: starts and begins with the mother of this nation, which 460 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: is black women. And that is what we did. We 461 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: started it was ours with that. You knew that that 462 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: costs you your job, and when it was time to 463 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: leave uber mm hmm. I was disappointed because I hated 464 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: their response. This ship was a hit. If they could 465 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: have been, if they had the foresight to really embrace it, 466 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: you could have changed. So you move on. And the 467 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: one thing that I know about you in relationships personally 468 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: and professionally, you show me any sign that you don't 469 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: want to be around in a real significant way, I'm out, 470 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: where does that come from? I sat around for five 471 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: extra years at a gig that didn't want me, and 472 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:45,479 Speaker 1: you was like, you still working there? Girl? I had 473 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: like two jobs and I was like, wait, hold on, 474 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: you still at the things doing that? Look carry That's 475 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: a hard question because I think some of it is um. 476 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: Some of it is a little bit of pride. I 477 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: won't I won't pretend like that doesn't exist, right, because 478 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: the pride is what keeps me from wanting to disaccept 479 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: all any old thing. You know, It's like I have 480 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: too much pride for that. Like I I know, like 481 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: I've said a dozen times already in this conversation that 482 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: I know how dope I am. So how can people 483 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: be like you? I mean, you believe it. You ain't 484 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: just talking Oh no, I'm not just talking. I know it. 485 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: I know it's that's correct. Look in the dictionary because 486 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: my name is right there next to Wikipedia, right there. 487 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: Go ahead, search it right now, Google. It's free. But 488 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: even if I mean it's scary, it is scary. But 489 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: the thing is that, like I, I have believe in 490 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: myself because I've already been at the bottom. Carry I've 491 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: already been there. You shouldn't kill me. You know, I've 492 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: been in some really really dark place and didn't kill me. 493 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: I came up again, And so why would I be 494 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: afraid of falling if you've already seen the bottom? Like, look, okay, 495 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: you don't want to go back there. None of us 496 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: want to go back to the bottom where we came from. 497 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: We don't. We don't want that. But I know that 498 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: I by like I've already said, grit and grace brought 499 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: myself out, and the grace of God to amen. But 500 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: it is powerful to know that. So yeah, I'm not 501 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: gonna sit around and take your ship in any situation. 502 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: I don't care what the relationship is, I'm not doing it. 503 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: So one is my pride, and two is that I 504 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: know from the depths from which I came Yeah, and 505 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: I brought myself up out of that, And so why 506 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: would I be afraid of leaving the thing. If I 507 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: hit the bottom again, I'll come out again. It's okay. 508 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: I've done it once, I've done it twice three times. 509 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: I keep doing it, and yes it's painful, and yes 510 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: I hate it, but it's possible to survive it. Yeah, okay, 511 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: is that what I gotta do? Yes? Is that work? 512 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: Do you remember how, mom, I am so in your mind? 513 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is work in your mind only 514 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: repeat Instead of I'm not good enough, you're like I'm 515 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: too good. You know how people always say am I enough? 516 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: And I enough? You don't have that in your head? Like, 517 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: that's not that's not playing on repeat, that's not it's 518 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: not it's not because And like I am trying to 519 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: explain why it is right, Like some of it I 520 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: think I was born with. Now there's some level of 521 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: it that I was born with that understanding. But I 522 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: do think it's definitely more nurture than it is nature. 523 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: You know again, I think um for those of us 524 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: who have achieved certain things, like I always look at 525 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: them just like, why are you so scared? You know. 526 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: Do you know how rare you are air it is? 527 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: The stats are so against you. Yeah, if you need it, though, 528 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: so like, why would you not be confident in that knowledge? 529 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: You know, you're not an accident, And that's the way 530 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: I see myself, Like, I'm not an accident. This is 531 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: not a fluke. This is an accidental some mistake in 532 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: the math and the formula and the trigonometry that was like, 533 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: oh oops, this thing happened. No, I am purposeful. It's 534 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: intentional and I believe that. And I know that my 535 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: destiny is written like that. So I bank on it. 536 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: And every time I have believed that it has paid off. 537 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: Will you say paid? I want to translate that to 538 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: dollars as well. It has paid off. I met my 539 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: friend and our condo to our other house or our 540 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: new house, our next house, and I ain't mad God 541 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: because this blessed, bless bless blessed, blessed, Like you never 542 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: undersell yourself. Um, I want you to, UM, and I'm 543 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: gonna be gracious with your time. I want you to 544 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: if you don't mind sharing a story that you had 545 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: shared with my foundation in the Brown Girls Dream. My 546 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: UM mentors young Ladies on and off, not too many, 547 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: so don't ask me. Don't nobody asked me. She busy, 548 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: But um, you shared a story, and every single one 549 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: of those young ladies probably about I guess it could 550 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: have been fifty in the room have asked me about 551 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: that story. So it was powerful. And I don't know 552 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: even think if you remember. But you shared the story 553 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: of working for a temp agency and taking your quarters 554 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: every morning two make phone calls to see if they 555 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: need you. Can you please give us the background? Where 556 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: were you in life? You decided to move to New 557 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: York underway? Yeah, so I had just graduated from college. 558 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: I was pre med. In college, Um, really great at 559 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: the sizes and math, but I had fallen in love 560 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: with the arts. I didn't know that there was a 561 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: career in the arts, and so basically what I was 562 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: trying to do with just take a year break and 563 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: before I went to med school. That was really the objective. 564 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: But I don't come from a family of money or means, 565 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: and um, nobody was gonna take care of me. So 566 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 1: when I graduated, I was like, Okay, I'm gonna moved 567 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: to New York. It seems so fun and exciting. I 568 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: didn't really know anybody. There's one person who agreed that 569 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: I could sleep on her couch if I cooked and cleaned. 570 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: Went to me. I was like, yes, girl, I got 571 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: I got you. You know who's buying the groceries do? 572 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: Because I don't have no money, you know. And I 573 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: signed up for a temp agency, UM now a little 574 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: known back then, UM the temp agency. In your first day, 575 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: they would give you a role of quarters so that 576 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: you could call them from the pay phone. Because this 577 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: was before the cell phones were all popular for everybody 578 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: to have. I didn't have that kind of money pay 579 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: phone here and have to pay phone the public pay 580 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: phone at the corner of a hun and Broadway, okay. 581 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: And there was a little restaurant on a side called 582 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: Floridita is a Cuban joint. And I didn't have any 583 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: money except for that roll of coins, you know, so 584 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: I couldn't really spend it on any food or anything else. 585 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: So I would go in there and just sit at 586 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: the counter and wait, because you had to wait like 587 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: between half an hour before he called again to see 588 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: if there was a job that came in, so then 589 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: I would know if I was working that day and 590 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 1: could make some money. So I was sitting at the counter, 591 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: and um, the little lady who worked behind it. You know, 592 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,479 Speaker 1: she looked like somebody's abuela, you know, like a little 593 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,359 Speaker 1: little grandma type. And after some time, like a few days, 594 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: she would just be like where to come over and 595 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 1: she's like, are you you know you want some food? 596 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: Like you put the pushed the menu to me and 597 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: she spoke very broken English, so we were just communicating 598 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: mostly by same language. And she pushed it to me, 599 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: and I would, I would, you know, say oh no, no, no, 600 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm fine, I'm fine, you know. So one day she 601 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,839 Speaker 1: passed me like a little you know plate and had 602 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 1: a role on it, one of those little buttered rolls. 603 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh no, no, no, because I 604 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: knew I can pay for it. The thing was ten cents. 605 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: I couldn't pay for it. And I was like, no, no, 606 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,279 Speaker 1: it's okay, you know, and she was like no, no, 607 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: he eat And so you know, I was hungry. So 608 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: I definitely devoured that joint. Uh. And I went back 609 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: out to the pay phone and I would put my 610 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: quarter in and call and would be nothing. And so 611 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: I go back in sit down and one day she 612 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: I think she just found how to ask, you know. 613 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: She was just like, what do you do? You know, 614 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 1: what are you doing here? Why? Every day sitting here 615 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: at the counter, you know. And sometimes I would get 616 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 1: a call, so I would I would go to the corner, 617 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: make my car, I get and I jump on the 618 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: subway and go down there right so she won't see 619 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: me for the rest of the day, but then the 620 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: next day I'll be back. So when she asked, I 621 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know, I'm calling to see if 622 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: I have work. And she was like every day, And 623 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: I was like every day, you know, And so I go, 624 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: I'd make the car, I'd come back and then she'd 625 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: be like, today's the day, you know, and she was 626 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,719 Speaker 1: so she would be so encouraging, like today to day, 627 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: and she would pass me the roles and I eat 628 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: my little role. Sometimes I'd be the only thing I 629 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 1: eat the whole day. So one day I went out 630 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: there put my quarter in, called and they were like, 631 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: you have to go down to four thirty seven Mathison 632 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: Avenue on the third floor. Spike Lee has an advertising agency. 633 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: He just fired his assistant. He needs you to answer 634 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: the phones for the day. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, 635 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: hang up the phone. And I was about to sprint 636 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: and go, you know, take the train. But I went 637 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: back in, you know, to my to now my abwella 638 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, today is the day and and 639 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: she's like yeah, she cheered, and uh it makes me 640 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: emotional because I got on that train and um that 641 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 1: was four years. You know. Um I never saw her again. 642 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: UM and um hm I um, which I could temper 643 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: m Um how she changed my life, you know, because um, 644 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: she encouraged me. Um, she fed me at a time 645 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: when I couldn't afford ten sense of of a role. Um, 646 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: she showed me kindness and she didn't have to do that. 647 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: M But I think I got on that train and 648 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: I thought it would be one day of work and 649 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: it turned into four years. That absolutely changed my life. 650 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: You know. Spike is still a very good friend now, 651 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: and in fact, at the end of last year, we 652 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: signed him to a multi year deal to create content 653 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: for Netflix. So like, what a full circle moment that is, 654 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,839 Speaker 1: you know, from going from being his assistant to now 655 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: being in the chief seat at a company where he's 656 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: going to create Like that's amazing. I wish I could tell, 657 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: you know, I wish I could tell her, wish I could, 658 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: so we're all blubbering mess here. But I do think 659 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: the other part of the story, out of the general 660 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: kindness that you were able to receive his kindness is 661 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 1: so rare now right, people just aren't kind. Um. It's 662 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: your determination and your tenacity. I wish I would tell 663 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: somebody in their twenties now to go go wait at 664 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: the pay phone. Thank you, wait there all day. I'm 665 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: not disrespecting none of my bpds and my brown girls, 666 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: but you know how it is. You get everything is 667 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,480 Speaker 1: given to me now and when and now. The everybody 668 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: that I know who's ever made anything of themselves in 669 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: terms of success literally did it by grinding with dirty nails. 670 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: And what I mean is like, whatever it takes, whatever 671 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: it takes, whatever it thinks. My job is to be 672 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: your secretary. But you want me to go pick up 673 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: your cleaning, You got that too. My job is to 674 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: be you want me to You want me to go 675 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: get your kids a snack, bring it today house and 676 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: come back. Got it? Whatever it takes. But I ultimately 677 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: want to be St. John. But right now, right here, 678 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 1: But if I but then what the lesson is and 679 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 1: I want you to tell the extended part of the 680 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: story is if they trust you with small things, they'll 681 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 1: trust you with big things. And so I trust you 682 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: with small things, all of it, all of it. Like 683 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: and that's what I think is um so remarkable about 684 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: people who succeed right and looting myself, because like I said, 685 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: I have self awareness. I can self analyze. Is that 686 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: I am vulnerable in the things I don't know, so 687 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: that it pushes me to learn it faster better than everybody. Right, 688 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: because I'm aware of that, I don't pretend there's no 689 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: there's nothing in that that makes me feel like, oh, 690 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: I can't show you that I don't know the thing. 691 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: I don't know the thing. I gotta learn how to 692 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,160 Speaker 1: do it. Even in those days, um, when I first 693 00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: got to Spike's agency, and it was like, you know, yeah, 694 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 1: I just said at the desk and ask the phone, okay, 695 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, somebody spells some coffee, Go get the mop, 696 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: wipe it up, you know like, and I did it 697 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: without being asked, first of all. And then when I 698 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 1: saw him walking by and he had you know, the 699 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: binder under his his arm, and I asked, what is that? 700 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, I want to 701 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: read it, you know, and he hands it to me, 702 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: not knowing that, you know, this person whose resume says 703 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: pre med students, you know, actually he's in love with 704 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 1: African American history and literature, and that I'd read Tony 705 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: Morrison and James Baldwin and you know, Zara Neil Hurston 706 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,319 Speaker 1: and Nikki Giovanni and all of all of my contemporary 707 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 1: greats that I was so in love with, and that 708 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:29,239 Speaker 1: his writing was so challenging. He did not bend to 709 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: the lowest common denominator, and so to be able to 710 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: learn from that vantage point, you know, from a vulnerable 711 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: vantage point, and say, this person knows so much more 712 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: than I do, right, I just want to soak it up. 713 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, I gotta do all the little things, everything 714 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: that he needs, I'm gonna do so that I can 715 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: do more. Because what he saw was that I was 716 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:59,360 Speaker 1: hungry and curious and ambitious and driven and thoughtful, and 717 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: so yeah, it's like at the end of the day, 718 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: of course, he would give me the manuscript to read, 719 00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,560 Speaker 1: and then I would read it and make comments, which 720 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: was what he asked for. That part was, but he 721 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: didn't ask for it. You didn't ask for it, um. 722 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: But I do think that there is something to that, 723 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: because that's another part that you never lose, you know, 724 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,320 Speaker 1: of being willing to do anything that it takes. And 725 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 1: I think that that is a misunderstanding. As you gain 726 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 1: power and as you gain influence that somehow, um, that dissipates. 727 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: It's like, no, I still today will do whatever it takes. 728 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: It's like that practice of that habit becomes who you are, 729 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: and it is why then you're successful because you will 730 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes. You're not entitled to the thing. 731 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: You know. Just because I have this title on my 732 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: door does not mean that I'm not gonna go search 733 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: underneath the concept to see whether or not this equals that, 734 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: because oh, I'm gonna send somebody else and junior person 735 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: to go do it because that's their job. No, it's like, no, 736 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,879 Speaker 1: I need a stranch. Others on the line. And he's 737 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: wondering if you can find that piece of paper he 738 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: had yesterday when y'all met. Absolutely, let me go find 739 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: it right now. Let me go dig through the traft 740 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: and see if I can pull it up. I sure will, 741 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, because he thought he had it in his 742 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: hand when he was talking to you, and it was 743 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: yellow and he doesn't remember where it is. But guess 744 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: what I think I do, Ted, I think I remember 745 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: saying that yellow piece of paper in your hand. And 746 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,560 Speaker 1: you know what's amazing about that? Though? Even if I 747 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: don't know where that joint is, I will recreate it. 748 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: How about that? I will guy that that thing yellow. 749 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: I will write some notes on it. And here you go. 750 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, I think these are the notes. I had 751 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: a photographic memory and I just wrote the ship down. 752 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:04,800 Speaker 1: That's something. Here go. The point is she is the 753 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: c i Oh of Netflix. I will do whatever it takes, 754 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: even at this level. That's correct, and that's how you 755 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 1: keep moving every single day. And if you're not inspired 756 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: and you don't get out of your drawers while you 757 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,640 Speaker 1: listen to this, I'm made was amazing boozing St John 758 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 1: my best sea on the podcast. I love you. I 759 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,439 Speaker 1: appreciate you so much. Thank you for let me get naked, girl. 760 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It was naked, made me tears and 761 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: all naked. I don't know if you know, I may 762 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,799 Speaker 1: have snotted three or four times through that interview. May 763 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,719 Speaker 1: have you know a little when you cry, you got 764 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: like a little snot like it's attractive. No, get a 765 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,800 Speaker 1: little snot right there on your nose, like get it, 766 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: get it, get a carry, get it um. I'm proud 767 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: of my friend. And believe me, if you know her 768 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,399 Speaker 1: from the outside, you might think, Oh, she's doing a lot, 769 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: and she's tough, and she's this, and she's that. Woman 770 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: is so sensitive. Usually the stronger and more tough we appear, 771 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: the more sensitive we are. And that sword and shield 772 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: that we carry around is just to protect us so 773 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 1: that we can do the work that we have been 774 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: sent here to do. We are armored, thank you very much. 775 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,920 Speaker 1: And it may not look like it's friendly for some, 776 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: but it's the only way that we can still do 777 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,320 Speaker 1: the work that we have been chosen to do. I 778 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,840 Speaker 1: love her dearly, I love her loyalty, But most importantly, 779 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 1: I do love the way in which she believes in 780 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: herself like none other, and she refuses to let anybody 781 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: tell her she's not. She has the privilege forgive me 782 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: and don't forgive me of a white man, and she's 783 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,359 Speaker 1: owning it and taking it and using it and saying, 784 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: how dare you not respect my privilege? I'm a black woman. 785 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: But I'm not being here like a white man that's 786 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,399 Speaker 1: rich to do whatever I want to do. Y'all would 787 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,439 Speaker 1: never question a Jeff Bezos. Would you like, God bless 788 00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,160 Speaker 1: this man, richest man in the world step down allegedly 789 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: from Amazon, and he out here living his best life. 790 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,200 Speaker 1: He's in spaceships with phallic symbols. He is uh literally 791 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve wearing Ryan stones and he don't 792 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: even know why y'all know that joke. He wear Rhyan 793 00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: stones and you don't even know why. No one's questioning that. 794 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,279 Speaker 1: So do not question this. You don't have to live 795 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: out loud the way in which Bosama does, but be 796 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: inspired to reimagine how you look at work and what 797 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: you want to do with your work. Go forward, change 798 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: the world, be a change agent. But more importantly, stay 799 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 1: listening to my podcast because I need these chippers. Thank 800 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,320 Speaker 1: you guys for listening to Naked. I hope you were inspired.