1 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius XM Triumph Channel 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: one thirty two. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: I hope you can join us tonight on A and 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: E eleven p M Eastern. The case of missing d C, 5 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: in turn, Seaundre lev is far from over, and that's 6 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: a problem to Dr Brian Russell, you know, Dr Russell. 7 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: Gary Condon, the U S. Congressman from the Modesto area, 8 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: allegedly was having an affair with this young girl whose 9 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: dream comes true. She gets an internship in d C. 10 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: She travels all the way to d C, where this 11 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: married statesman allegedly starts to say x affair with her. 12 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: Then she goes missing. Uh you know, Dr Russell. Of 13 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: course people look at conduct when it all goes down. 14 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: I mean, the allegations of a sex affair with a 15 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: girl twenty plus years younger than you while you're married. 16 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: That just clouds the entire search for the missing intern. Well, 17 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: that's right. And and even if you take out of 18 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: the equation, the fact that you know, there's the age 19 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: difference and he's married and all that. Uh, you know, 20 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: on our show Fatal Vows, we always talk about how 21 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: when there is a murder, the authorities always start. Uh. 22 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: It's much more likely that somebody is murdered by somebody 23 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: they know, and oftentimes somebody with whom they've they've been 24 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: in a very close relationship, than it is that they're 25 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: murdered by a stranger. And so it makes will sense 26 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: that the authorities start. It's like a it's like a target. 27 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: You know, you start at the bull's eye, that's the 28 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: individual who's now deceased, and then that very first ring 29 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 1: around the bull's eye are the people who are closest, 30 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: including any significant others, and then you you look at 31 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: them first and work your way out progressively to to 32 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: those outer circles where the strangers are. Uh. And so 33 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: it makes total sense that he would have been looked at. 34 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: And you can't feel us can't feel any sympathy for 35 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: him given the horrendous behavior that that he did engage 36 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: in cheating on his wife and having this relationship with her. Well, 37 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. He never publicly stated, Yes, I 38 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: had an affair. Uh, it was stupid, I shouldn't have 39 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: done it, But I had nothing to do with her disappearance. 40 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: He said repeatedly that he had nothing to do with 41 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: the disappearance. He did go speak with police, so the 42 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: level of cooperation is still a matter of police knowledge. 43 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: He never publicly admitted to an affair, so that's why 44 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: we continue to say allegedly had an affair with her. 45 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Although numerous cell phone calls at all hours of the 46 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: day and night were to his cell phone. Even when 47 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: he was speaking to Dr Phil his story seemed to 48 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: change about how often he had been with her. But 49 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: that's a whole another can of worms. Time passes, she 50 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: still can't be found to Dr William Maroney, renowned medical examiner, 51 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: joining us out of Madison Heights, author of a new book, 52 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: American Narcan on Amazon right now, Big, big mistake, Dr Moroney, 53 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: because police did not go to her apartment building. We're 54 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: talking about Chandra Levy, Dan Abrahams and I go at 55 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: it tonight with new bombshell evidence on A and E 56 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: eleven o'clock p m. Eastern tonight, Dr Moroney, police did 57 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: not go to Seaundre's apartment to get the security video 58 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: that would have shown what time she left her apartment 59 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: the day she goes missing. How was she dressed? Was 60 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: she dressed to go jogging? Was she with anybody? Did 61 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: she have a shopping bag with her? I mean, you know, 62 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: a million different ways. Just by looking at her, you 63 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: may have gotten a clue as to where she was going. 64 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: By the time police finally got there, they had videoed 65 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: over the day she goes missing. Dr Maroney, here's the 66 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: hard part about that. We may have better technology now, 67 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: but they didn't have it back then. And we're talking 68 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: about trace recovery. The amount of things you can get 69 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: now is so small. If they came up with remains, 70 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: it wouldn't go to a medical examiner, it would go 71 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: to a bone anthropologist. And these things. It's almost like 72 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: they were protecting the politician. So you know, that really 73 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: disrupts Forensic medicine would do the best weekend. The case 74 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: was advanced DT to Maroney because it took a full year. 75 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: After she goes missing, police get a call from a 76 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: jogger who finds a human skull and Rock Creek Park, 77 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: not far from Chandra's apartment, Police find her walkman a 78 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: usc shirt in bones scattered. They had to use dental records. 79 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: But using dental records, police were able to decide once 80 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: and for all they had in fact found the DC 81 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: intern sendre Levy. Now, before I get to the forensics, 82 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, at the time Chandra goes missing, the alleged lover, 83 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: alleged Gary Condrad, the U S representative, as an air 84 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: tight alibi at the time she used her apartment, he 85 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: is with the Vice President of the United States. I mean, 86 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: you really can't argue with that. Then everybody goes wild. 87 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: Did he order a hit? Did he have some thugs 88 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: kill her? There's never any evidence at all produced to 89 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: suggest he ordered her death, and again he has an 90 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: air tight alibi. But back to her body, Dr Moroney, 91 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: why did they have to use dental records to identify 92 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: that it was absolutely her? And how do you do that? 93 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: When you have dental records, you go to a past 94 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: X ray of the mouth. The shape of the teeth 95 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: and the distance in the space is unique like a fingerprint, 96 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: and the location of cavities chips, The angle of the 97 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: teeth is very specific and that can be reproduced in 98 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: the remains, and you have to use that because there's 99 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: so much breakdown. There's no DNA available in the mud 100 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: and the and the grass and the fields in an 101 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: outdoor exposure, So what you have left is hardbone, jaw, 102 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: and hard teeth. That's also um one of the ways 103 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: they identified Lee, Harvey Oswald and the Kennedy assassination. Later 104 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: they looked at dental records. It's it's been a common practice. 105 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: They have really good dentists, and you know, you don't 106 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: have any DNA left. It doesn't in their dr Maroney, 107 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't in there. The man that I believe is 108 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: a main chief suspect in mark On d K had 109 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: attacked multiple women in the same part, really just yards 110 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: away from Sandra's body. Okay, he has a tattoo on 111 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: his chest that looks like Shandre Levie. Yes, this guy, 112 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: Gondk has managed to walk free. Why take a listen 113 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: to this. You'll see that gon DK implicated himself and 114 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Leaving's murder to four different people. You gotta believe that 115 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: prosecutors are going to re triumph or wait a second, 116 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: they're not. Day one, Gary Condon was caught in the 117 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: cops cross hairs, but by him evading the truth. This 118 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: isn't focus on the homicide. Even up to this moment, 119 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: Sandra's mother and father devastated. I have many, many sometimes 120 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: doubts about things because you know, I have lots of 121 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: questions that remain unanswered to me. It's really pretty bad, 122 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, just because we still had hope that she 123 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: would be final alive and come back, and then she wasn't. 124 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: There isn't a day that I don't get up and 125 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: think about my daughter, not to day. You know, it's pain. 126 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I see her whole life here. Why can't 127 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: we resolve the case and put Chandra's killer behind bars? 128 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: Tonight A and e eleven pm Eastern, Please join us. 129 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: A five year old Kansas boy is missing and the 130 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: hunt goes on, but now it seems as if the 131 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: water is getting more and more cloudy, more murky in 132 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: the search for Lucas her nan days. Listen to this 133 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: Happy birthday, dear Lucas. Happy birthday to you who who 134 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: are your candle? Good job, but you're five years old? Tomorrow, 135 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: Happy birthday to Lucas his fifth birthday party. I can 136 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: still remember the twins fifth birthday party. It wasn't long 137 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: after that that Lucas goes missing and he's missing right now. 138 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this is with a heavy heart. 139 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm here with you today, still missing. It's five year 140 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: old Lucas Fernandez. Lucas was last scene wearing black sweats, 141 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: white sox, and a gray shirt with a bear on it. 142 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: Our thoughts and prayers remain with Lucas and Lucas's family 143 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: as we are diligently investigating the situation. On Friday, February seventeenth, 144 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: that approximately six fifteen officers were dispatched to a lost 145 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: juvenile call at a residence in a six hundred block 146 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: of South Edgemore. When they arrived, they made contact with 147 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: a twenty six year old female who is the stepmother 148 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 1: of Lucas. She reported to officers that she last saw 149 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: Lucas in his bedroom at approximately three p m. Prior 150 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: to her showering and falling asleep. Officers and canine units 151 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: have Dylugi dyl ugilately checked the home and the neighborhood 152 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: with no luck of locating Lucas at this time currently 153 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: which top Police Department detectives continued to speak with family 154 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: and follow up with any leads regarding this unfortunate situation. 155 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,239 Speaker 1: So we are asking the community which has any information 156 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: regarding this case, so please call tips in A three 157 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: one six three eight three four six six one and 158 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: they will be individuals at our employment or excuse me, 159 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: Emergency Operation Command Center to answer those tips. However, at 160 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: this point we're asking citizens to share the information on 161 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: their social media pages and called the tip Line with 162 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: any information. We do currently have investigators and officers that 163 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: are continuing to search the area for Lucas. Straight out 164 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: to Chuck Roberts, Crime Stories investigative reporter, I want to 165 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: talk first about how Lucas Hernandez goes missing. If you 166 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: take one look at this little boy, it's gonna break 167 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: your heart. The big brown eyes, the smile, he's missing 168 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: some teeth, just five years old, goes missing in the 169 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: middle of the day, Chuck Roberts, Let's talk about how 170 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: he goes missing, Who, what, where, when why. Lucas was 171 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: home and in a little rented house in the south 172 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: part of which it's a living with his stepmother and 173 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: his father, who was away. He's an oil field worker 174 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: and was a long way away in New Mexico at 175 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: the time. And on the afternoon of February seventeen, a 176 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: fairly warm day in the mid sixties. Uh. Stepmom Emily Glass, 177 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: comes home, she takes a shower, she lays down for 178 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: a nap, and when she gets up about six o'clock. 179 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: Three hours later, she goes into Lucas room and he's gone, 180 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: no sign at all. The back door is open, but 181 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: she can't find Lucas. She calls police about six fifteen 182 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: and tells exactly that story, but they find no evidence 183 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: of a break in and no sign of an abduction. 184 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: So there's no you know, Maddie's call. There's no alert 185 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: for an abduction at all. And the search goes on. 186 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, whoa whoa, whoa whoa 187 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: right there, Ashley Wilcot, Atlanta Javen, I'll judge and found 188 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: her of child crime watch dot com. Ashley, Wait a minute, 189 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: She calls police at six did I did I get 190 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: that timeline wrong? Now you got it right? And it's 191 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: something is hinky, right, So she takes a nap and 192 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: oh she wakes up and oh the child's missing, and 193 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: and then later calls you no, very suspicious, what about 194 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: the olive garden hold on a moment, Chuck Roberts, wasn't 195 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: Is there another child in the home other than Lucas, 196 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: She refers to as her stepson. Okay, who's the other 197 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: child in the home. The other child is a one 198 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: year old daughter, and the day before Lucas was missing, 199 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: she and the little girl go to Olive Garden and 200 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: she apparently texts her boyfriend Jonathan that she smoked a 201 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: couple of bowls of weed in the back before they 202 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: went in for a meal. Uh. And that was the 203 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: sixteen So apparently Luca was left home on the sixteenth. 204 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: He was seen by a neighbor peeking through a window 205 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: that day before. That's the sixteenth of February. That's the 206 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: day before he goes missing. Ye did anybody see him 207 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: other than the stepmother after the sixteenth? Not to my knowledge, No, 208 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,479 Speaker 1: I don't believe so. For all I know, Ashley Willcott, 209 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: he could have been put out the night of the sixteenth. 210 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: The only sighting I have of this five year old boy, 211 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: Lucas her Nannis, who just had his birthday party, was 212 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: the stepmother. She calls herself a stepmother. She's a girlfriend 213 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: slung up in the home, but she has been entrusted 214 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: with taking care of the boy. She's got her own 215 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: one year old daughter there, who she takes out to 216 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: Olive Garden and leaves Lucas at home to what eat 217 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: dust balls on the floor, and somebody else sees him 218 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: staring all alone out the window. Does that not break 219 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: your heart? Actually? Absolutely, that's the last sighting of him. 220 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: And I have no doubt in my mind that this 221 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: child was murdered after that by this mother. And the 222 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: worst part, Nancy, is there seems to be no re 223 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: and more snow admission. No, you know all these lies, lies, 224 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: lies about win last scene and what happened. And bottom line, 225 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: that was the last sighting of this child ever. Love 226 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: and two bowls of marijuana? Mark class with me, founder 227 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: of Class Kids Foundation, Mark Class what two bowls of marijuana? 228 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: You listen what law enforcement has to do and I 229 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: agree with your previous guess as to probably what happened. Um, 230 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: what law enforcement has to do is they have to 231 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: investigate all of the possibilities in this situation. Obviously, the 232 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: girlfriend slash step mom was the last person to see him, 233 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: so a lot of suspicion is going to fall at 234 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: her feet. But they've also ought to look at the 235 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: other possibilities that it was somebody else that knew the boy, 236 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: that it was that the boy actually did wander off, 237 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: or even the possibility, the rare possibility of a stranger abduction. 238 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: But I have no doubt that they will get to 239 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: the bottom of this and uh we will know what 240 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: happened to little Lucas Mark. Mark, you said the rare 241 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: possibility of stranger abduction. Why do you say it's rare 242 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: there is a stranger abduction from the home? Well, I 243 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: say the rare possibility of stranger abduction because, uh, those 244 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: kinds of events really only occur a couple of hundred 245 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: times a year, particularly the kind of results in the 246 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: in the death of a child, as as was my 247 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: daughter Pauli's case. But it's hundreds of thousands of times 248 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: a year that parents or people very close to the 249 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: child are involved in their disappearance. And in this situation 250 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: where this this girlfriend's slash stepmother was the last person 251 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: to see her see the little boy, um, even more 252 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: suspicion is going to fall on her at her feet. 253 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, I mean, we all everybody with me. 254 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: In addition to Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation. 255 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: You can find it online. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and 256 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: psychologists and host of investigation Discoveries, hit show Fatal Vows. 257 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, evil stepmother. It's not just a myth. Yeah, 258 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: sadly it sounds like there was tremendous chaos in this 259 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: household and this kid was was living in Uh. I mean, 260 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: it's just heartbreaking when you think about how he was 261 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: seen peering through the window while she was off, apparently 262 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: at a restaurant with her younger other child, having done 263 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: some drugs. You know, I worry when I listen about 264 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: this case about something that I know you've discussed recently, 265 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: uh with Dan Abrams in your new television project at 266 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,239 Speaker 1: Grace Versus Abrams, And it's the Hacy Anthony case. And 267 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: one of the sad things that I think perpetrators learned 268 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: from that case is that if you shut up and 269 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: wait a long time before helping, or never help and 270 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: hope that it takes a long time for a body 271 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: to be discovered, it might deteriorate to the point where 272 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: it's difficult for forensic examiners to determine exactly the cause 273 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: of death. And that might help you skate, you know, 274 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: Dr Bryan Russell, You're so right. Ashley Wilcott, founder of 275 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: Child Crime watch dot com. I mean, there's Hansel and Gretel, Okay, 276 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: there is Um Cinderella. There is Um who's the one 277 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: that eats the apple, Jackie snow white, snow white, thank you. 278 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's from time immemorial. You hear about the 279 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: evil stepmother. Well, now I see why, Ashley. And do 280 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, statistically, Nancy, there's so many different statistics about 281 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: it being done by a step parent, a boyfriend, a girlfriend, 282 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: and they choose. The parent often chooses that person over 283 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: their child, So statistically this is not that unusual. So 284 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: the dad is out working the bio dad is out 285 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: working on I guess it was an oil rig, Is 286 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: that right, Jackie? Yes? And out of the blue Lucas, 287 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: his five year old little boy is just gone. After 288 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: the step mom his living enjoys two bowls of marijuana 289 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: and goes out for a nice meal at at Olive Garden, 290 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: leaving the baby at home. I mean, actually I chase 291 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: the children, not going to John Davis so much. He's 292 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: a big horse. But Lucy, I chase her, begging her 293 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: to eat. I mean, every time she turns around, I'm 294 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: putting a food food in her hand because she's so thin, 295 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: going to Olive Garden and leaving the baby at home. Right, 296 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: And when they take one child, their biological child, and 297 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: not the other child, the step child right there. Red flag, 298 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: red flag, red flag. Now we are hearing of all 299 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: things a day late and a dollar short, that this 300 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: stepmother's previous husband had pled to a court to keep 301 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: his children away from her. Why is that, Chuck Roberts, 302 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Lucas has left alone with her, but the 303 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: bio dad of her other children begs the court to 304 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: keep her away. Why it was? You're right? It was. 305 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: It was twelve days before Lucas went missing that the 306 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: father of her two sons asked the judge to prohibit 307 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: her from having any contact with them. He says that 308 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: they had red marks, invisible fingerprints on the boy's chest 309 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: when he got them back from a visit with Emily 310 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: black Us and Last blame the red marks on her boyfriend, 311 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez. She quickly blamed him, who was, of course, 312 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: Lucas's father. But on February seventeenth, what would quickly turn 313 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: into a massive police investigation, Last reported that Lucas was 314 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: missing from the rental home. So all this took place 315 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: in the space of you know, two weeks. But you're right. 316 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: The father of her two sons asked to judge for 317 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: a court order to prohibit her from having any contact 318 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: with him. You know, Mark Class Founder, Class Kid Foundation. 319 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: He's right, Chuck Roberts is right. Just twelve days before 320 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: little Lucas goes missing, the father of her own young 321 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: sons reported a quote safety concern to police after the 322 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: boys visited her. The day after one of his two 323 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: sons returned home from visiting the stepmother. He was covered 324 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: in red marks invisible fingerprints on his check, says the 325 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: boy's father, who files his report with police. Now, according 326 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: to that document and affidavit from the father, Glass playing 327 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: the red marks on her boyfriend, Lucas's dad. But the 328 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: dad he was out on an oil rig. So how 329 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: did this? I don't understand why he Lucas is left 330 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: with this mother when she's been petitioned to a court 331 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: to stay away from her own children. How did that happen? Well? 332 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: I think that Lucas's father made a fatal miscalculation, and 333 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: that this woman perhaps was able to present various sides 334 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: of her personality to different people under different circumstances. But 335 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: it looks like at the bottom line, she um She's 336 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: an abuser. She might even be a sadist. She might 337 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: even be a murderer. I would think we're just starting 338 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: to get a real portrait of exactly who this woman is, Roberts, 339 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: before we lay all the blame at the stepmother's feet. 340 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: You are investigating an alternate theory about what where Lucas is? 341 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: This five year old little non verbal boy. What's the 342 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: alternate theory about where he is if he wasn't with 343 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: the with the stepmother. Well, the alternate theory is that 344 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: it was a kidnapping hatched by his bio mother, Jamie Or. 345 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: She was living for a couple of months in Kansas 346 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: City with a man named Robert Cook Uh and they 347 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: lived together. She had friends that came over and that 348 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: sort of scared him, so he act asked her to 349 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: leave uh and she finally did. She left on February. 350 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: This is Jamie Or, the bio mother of little Lucas. 351 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: She heads south with a friend to Oklahoma, and she 352 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: takes text pictures of the trip all the way. She 353 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: does want to partage Missouri. She does one in south 354 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: western Missouri. I don't I don't get it. I don't 355 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: get it. I mean she's everywhere but Wichita, Kansas, where 356 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: Lucas goes missing. How could she possibly have the boy. Well, 357 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: she doesn't. According to Cook, she went to Oklahoma to 358 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: have an alibi that she was trying to get Lucas 359 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: away from an abusive situation, and she had her friends 360 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: find a time when Emily Glass was high and otherwise 361 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: nodding off, and that's when the break in would occur 362 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: according to Robert Cook. According to this theory, and that's 363 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 1: when Lucas would be taken. She wasn't physically there at 364 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: the time because she was taking pictures of herself on 365 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: that day in Oklahoma. Would all Oklahoma is her last text. 366 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: She arrives there on the day Lucas goes missing in Oklahoma, 367 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: and Robert Cook's theory is that she had some friend 368 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: of hers take Lucas from the home to get him 369 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: away from this abusive situation and take him to a 370 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: safe Okay, I got it, I got it, I got it. 371 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: So it's back on the bio mom. Okay. Who is 372 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: Robert Cook? Robert Cook is um He installs air conditioners 373 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: in Kansas City. He's a He's a friend of He's 374 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: a friend of David or David or is Jamie Orr's husband. 375 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: A strange husband lives in Colorado. Springs. Okay, wait a minute, Okay, 376 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: hold on, I need a pro at this with me. 377 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, hosts of Investigation, Discoveries, Hitch Show, Fatal Vows, 378 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: Lawyer and Psychologists. Go ahead and rub it in. You've 379 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: got two degrees, I've got one. Blah blah. Okay, Dr 380 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: Brian Russell, you hear where this is coming in. You've 381 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: got to consider the source. Jamie or is Lucas's bio Mom. Okay, 382 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: she's out of the picture for all intents and purposes. 383 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: She lives somewhere else. This is a friend of her 384 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: ex husband, Like you don't think he's got an ex 385 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: to grind of some sort. And so they've hatched this 386 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: theory that all of her text photos are really all 387 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: over the country, are really establishing alibi while she has 388 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: some secret friends still the boy. Come on, Dr Russell, 389 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: how long do you think this so called friend is 390 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: going to keep their yap shut. Yeah. I'm not buying it, 391 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: but I have to tell you I wish I were, 392 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: because then I would have a much more hope that 393 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: this this young child was still alive. I mean, but really, 394 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: the bad blood that goes down and there's a divorce. 395 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: I think this is the more likely scenario. And granted 396 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: nobody has been found guilty, Lucas is still missing. But 397 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: I want instead of some cockamami theory hatched by the 398 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: ex husband's friend that the bio mom stage to kidnapping, 399 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: a long distance kidnapping, I want you to hear Lucas's 400 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: blood relative, his aunt, Sally res Mussen. She talks to 401 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: K A k E. T V Wichita reporter Greg Miller 402 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: about her concerns about little Lucas's safety. It's about and 403 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: because I was a VPS investigator of my help, you know, 404 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: I would feel helpless. She was sent photos of Lucas 405 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: last year and saw multiple bruises on his face and neck, 406 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: so she says she called protective services. All these stories 407 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: I've been hearing for months about him possibly being abused. 408 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: She only got more concerned after the father and son 409 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: came to New Mexico for work. She says she and 410 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: another relative saw more signs that the child was hurt, 411 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: and so another report was filed in that state, and 412 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: they investigated and had a frantic interview and all that 413 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: kind of stuff and sent them. I guess the police 414 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: didn't think there was enough evidence. When I first found 415 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: out he was missing, I um was suspicious and then 416 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: worrying it's a five year old child. They don't just 417 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: vanish in the air. The theory that the bio moms 418 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: somehow plans a long distance kidnapping by so called unnamed 419 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: friends who have yet to emerge that did not wash 420 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: with the Deputy Police Chief, Gavin Sealer. Listen, this case 421 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: is now considered criminal investigation. Investigators have arrested a six 422 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: year old female on two counts of child endangerment. Charges 423 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: are related to new information togethered during this investigation. Officers 424 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: and investigators have been working on this case NonStop since 425 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: six fifteen Saturday evening. We have collected information through countless interviews, 426 00:29:55,440 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: follow ups on leads, and examining evidence. Seven. I'm sorry 427 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: this incident has touched many in our community. I know 428 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: that many There are many more questions as a result 429 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: of this are This continues to be a criminal investigation 430 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: and we cannot go into further details. The search for 431 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: Leakas Lucas is ongoing and we are still asking public 432 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: for assistance. We continue to provide every resource that we 433 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: have available to find Lucas. This is our priority. Uh. 434 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: If you have any information on where his whereabouts, please 435 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: call this tipline number is three one six three eight 436 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: three four six six one UM. As a result of 437 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: this investigation too, we would also like to thank the 438 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: those other agencies that have been assisting us over the 439 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: past few days. Those are the FBI, KPI, the District 440 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: Attorney's office, and a Sigectlantic County Sheriff's office. So that 441 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: at this point, yes, world, is that a stepmother, that 442 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: is the stepmother Emily Glass, It is twenty six year 443 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: old thing, the endangering the child? Would that be endangering Lucas? 444 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: That there are two children we bolters, so two separate 445 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: councils to separate some of us. Two separate councifer but 446 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: one do you do Lucas? One of those children? Is 447 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: he Lucas? Yes, we know what the child involve me 448 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: one her child? Is that her? Her daughter? Hum going 449 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: to them? Do you consider at this point that his 450 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: disappearance is likely going to be a homicide just point 451 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: in time? We hope not. We hope that we are 452 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: able to find Lucas and that he is alive and 453 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: room or are you guys searching now uh this uh 454 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: investigation will continue on as far as specific locations, there's 455 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: various locations that I won't make any specific atentions. Can 456 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: you elaborate on the nature of endangering the child, like 457 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: was that leaving a child alone or the nature of it. 458 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: I won't get into investigation charges. When was she arrested? 459 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: Shoot wrestling book set? Do one more question? What information? 460 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: And I guess when if you got to get that 461 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: afformation that runs to do it from invastation. This has 462 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: been a result of as I mentioned, we started a 463 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: six fifteen on this three days ago, working still and 464 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: uh so as a result of all the interviews and 465 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: throughout the investigation and stuff and talking with people, evidence 466 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: that was collected and things as when we turn it 467 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: intostations more. Have you guys been able to um verify 468 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: her account of what happened in terms of from you 469 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: the last person to see him again. That's all part 470 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: of the investigation. I don't want to get into details 471 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: of it, okay, and so I will discuss that quarterly. 472 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: It is possible there could be more charmings. There is 473 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: possibility of more charges car but that's not the end 474 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: of it. The stepmother arrested. She's we still don't know 475 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: where Lucas is it. As a matter of fact, at 476 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: this moment, Emily Glass is requesting a lower bond so 477 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: she can't get out of jail. Listen. In this case, 478 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: this bond reflects crimes that are not charged in the complaint. 479 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: The severity of the alleged crime committed, I would, compared 480 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: to the bond itself is a huge exaggerating difference in 481 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: what any other similar situated to finish we're seen. Additionally, 482 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: she's been in custody since February. This crime carries a 483 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: maximum sentence of tops and maximum finds nowhere near to 484 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,879 Speaker 1: the possible punishment alow By law does not support such 485 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: a high vonda amount. Emily is from this area. She 486 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: resides in this area, all of her family lives in 487 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: this area. Per stinct case is in this county. She's 488 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: not a flight riskal with all matters being considered, the 489 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: court believes that in this particular case, under these facts 490 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: and circumstances, with that ongoing investigation occurring with which involves 491 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: a minor child, that case in itself and that investigation 492 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: makes misclass a flight risk. In order to respond and 493 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: answer to these charges in this case. And so with 494 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: all that in mind and all that under consideration, before 495 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: it leaves at the bottom this case appropriately said, and 496 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: we'll deny. And Nancy Emily Glass spoke exclusively from jail 497 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: to fact Finder twelve investigator Devon fast Binder. There's obviously 498 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: a lot of rumors going on, a lot of things 499 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: that people are saying about your stepson Lucas. Just curious 500 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: if there's anything that you want to say about that situation. Yeah, um, 501 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: and that's kind you know, you know, being a boy 502 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: playing with older brothers and his cousins. Um, and he 503 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: has asked some uh, he's like, you may not have 504 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: given birth to him and my baby boy today. I 505 00:35:54,280 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: take care of them every day. No. Um, it's very 506 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: stainful that this is happening and a time like this 507 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: right now. Do you have any idea where Lucas might 508 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: be at this point? You guys, I would play what 509 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 1: if anyone says so you give me? And Dad are 510 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: worried to say, you know what? I I keep thinking 511 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: maybe what could have happened? You know? Hey, thy brothers 512 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: hes so close now, Emily, I hope you understand. I 513 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: do have to ask you because of you know, the 514 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: arrest and because of a lot of rumors, did you 515 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: hurt Lucas. I would never hurt because there there's a 516 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: huge there's a huge history between the family from New Mexico, 517 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: and by it all the accusations, I'm sorry you. Finally, 518 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: when he had got hurt and and the bruises, he 519 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: wasn't under my hair, um because I would send them 520 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 1: off with my cousins. And there's older boys who were there, 521 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: and he's a very little small boy and can get 522 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: hurt easily. And when he's playing with older boys who 523 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,360 Speaker 1: were like ten years old, even though you're got to 524 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,320 Speaker 1: tell him he careful, We had to tell all the 525 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: time you don't be careful. So you're saying that all 526 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: of those bruises and those things from the pictures and 527 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: the accusations are all from him just being a little 528 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: boy and playing with other boys. Absolutely. I mean there's 529 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,520 Speaker 1: things where him and my older boys with the look 530 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: around the house and they wouldn't even get ripper, you know, 531 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: no boy always say m hm, is there anything that 532 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: you would want to say to Lucas if you put 533 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: right now? But I love it very much. I like 534 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 1: the hole so it's always me of his sister. What 535 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: about much can you tell me any more about what 536 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: happened that Saturday when he disappeared. Just the fact that 537 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: the biggest shower and to be cooking at like we 538 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: always do. They put it down for a movie and 539 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: it's cool because yeah, I got this crazy. So that 540 00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: was why he had a full of life. Um, you 541 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: have fall the sleep up to my shoulder, which is 542 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: why I went up. Now I trying to go as 543 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: of right now, Emily Glass still trying to get a 544 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: lower bomb. But that's not the end of it. To 545 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: Alan Duke, another development with the so called evil stepmother, 546 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: what is it? Well, this is unbelievable. We have been 547 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:32,400 Speaker 1: told by law enforcement sources that Emily Glass is with child. 548 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: She is pregnant in jail, apparently before she was arrested. 549 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation. Mark, I imagine 550 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: that every day of your life you think about if 551 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 1: you could have your daughter Polly back, And every day 552 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: of my life I thank god that I managed to 553 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: live through you. You you and I were texting Mark 554 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: delivering the children at age eight when Lucy and I 555 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: almost died. I mean, a child is it's the most 556 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: one is transformed my whole life. And here's this woman, 557 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: Emily Glass, with her ex husband begging a court to 558 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: keep her away from their children after they come home 559 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: covered in marks from a visit with her. Then you 560 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,360 Speaker 1: have her in two bowls of pot, leaving little Lucas 561 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: alone while she goes out to eat. Now he's missing, 562 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: and now she's going to have another child. Mark, I mean, really, 563 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: one wonders why this woman continues to have children, given 564 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: her history, her obvious history with children. If I can 565 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: speak to something else very quickly, Nancy and missing child 566 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 1: came as. While the child is still missing, we always 567 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: come up with alternative theories, best case scenarios such as this, 568 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: this idea that the bio mom somehow engineered kidnapping to 569 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: keep the child safe. As fanciful and wonderful as that 570 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: could possibly be. I'm afraid that, as your other guest 571 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: said that that it's not real and it's only wishful thinking. 572 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I agree with you, Mark Class 573 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: and Brian Russell Brian joining us from Investigation Discovery. Brian, 574 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,720 Speaker 1: you know you've got two children covered in red marks 575 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: and fingerprints on their chests, crying to their dad after 576 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: visiting the bio, Mom, you've got Lucas Hernandez missing. It 577 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem right, Brian, that people his children end 578 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: up mistreated, get to keep having children when other people 579 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: would give their right arm, their eye, teeth to have children. Now, 580 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: I know, every time I encounter one of these stories, 581 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: I think about you and how long you waited before 582 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: you were able to become a mom. And I think 583 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: about all the people out there who were, you know, 584 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 1: trying to go through all kinds of expensive, high tech 585 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: medical procedures to have kids, and you know, and it's 586 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: kind of like, uh, you know, you and I have 587 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,920 Speaker 1: talked before on this program about how you know, you 588 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: see wonderful people, wonderful dad's, wonderful moms being murder victims, 589 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: and you sit there and you go, you know, how 590 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: is it that Castro goes until he's you know, a 591 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years old? You know, you know, these 592 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: horrible dictators and and you know it's just not fair. No, 593 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: it's not And I think about in my line of work, 594 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: Dr Brian Russell, like, think about all the moms and 595 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,800 Speaker 1: ads I have spoken with whose child went missing or 596 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: was killed or they have no idea where the child 597 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: is and what they would give their own life to 598 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,840 Speaker 1: have the child back safe and sound. Right now, Emily 599 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: Glass trying her best to get a lower bond and 600 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: get out of jail. This as we still are on 601 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: the search for Lucas her Nandez, beautiful little boy. Take 602 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: a listen to the very latest Nancy. With more than 603 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: one hundred local officers and FBI agents involved in investigating 604 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: the disappearance of a little Lucas, his dad still isn't 605 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: satisfied and what's the higher private investigator. He's trying to 606 00:43:54,280 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 1: raise dollars through a go fund me campaign. Jonathan her Nandez, 607 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,920 Speaker 1: the father, says, and I quote, I am setting up 608 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 1: this fundraiser to find my sweet little boy. I'm very 609 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: excited to say that Klient Investigations and Consulting have agreed 610 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: to take on the task of finding Wichita's son. So 611 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: the investigative agency says that they'll start once twenty five 612 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,839 Speaker 1: dollars is paid up front to cover their logistical expenses, 613 00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,200 Speaker 1: and then they'll start investigating. How can they help local 614 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: law enforcement and the FBI do it? They say, Well, 615 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna try. Please, if you have any information at 616 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: all on what became a little Lucas, please call the 617 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 1: tip line. We need those tips coming in. If they're 618 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,400 Speaker 1: not coming in, we got nothing to go on. Alan, 619 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: please give us the tip line. Nancy investigators asked that 620 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: anyone with information about Lucas Hernandez, where he might be, 621 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 1: what might have happened to them, please call three one 622 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:07,839 Speaker 1: six three eight three four six six immediately. The search 623 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:13,359 Speaker 1: for Lucas Hernandez goes on. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off, 624 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,