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Speaker 1: What is one church? Every church in America would take

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Speaker 2: Come on, now, let's be real.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm due Courtney,

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Speaker 3: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, I'm a father,

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Speaker 3: inner city Memphis. And that last part it somehow led

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Speaker 3: movie is called Undefeated. I believe our country's problems will

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Speaker 3: us just you and me deciding Hey, maybe I can help.

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Speaker 3: That's what Bishop W. C. Martin, the voice you just heard,

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Speaker 3: has done. He and his wife launched an adoption revolution

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Speaker 3: and their tiny backwoods town of Possum Trot, Texas, until

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Speaker 3: They're the subject of Angel Studios powerful new film Sound

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Speaker 3: Right now. I can't wait for you to hear from

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Speaker 3: Bishop Martin right after these brief messages from our general sponsors.

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Speaker 3: Bishop W. C. Martin, Welcome to Memphis. Blessure to be here,

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Speaker 3: blessed to have you here for everybody listening. Bishop W. C.

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Speaker 3: in the booming metropolis of Possum Trot, Texas.

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Speaker 3: How many folks live in Possum Trot?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Possum Trot, Texas, Yeah yeah. Bishop Martin is the

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Speaker 3: subject of Angel Studio's latest film, which I watched three

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Speaker 3: So let's unpack this whole possum truck story, shall we.

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Speaker 2: A couple of things.

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Speaker 3: different twist, I bet you so tell me what that

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Speaker 3: looks like.

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Speaker 1: Bishop, Well, our church we start service at ten thirty

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Speaker 1: every Sunday morning, and.

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Speaker 2: We start church. We don't do hymns.

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Speaker 1: We start church with uplifting songs, getting peoples involved.

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Speaker 2: I mean really involved. I'm not saying sitting there. No,

444
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Speaker 2: we don't do that.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna get some amens and hallelujahs and thank you

446
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Speaker 1: Jesus and praise the Lord. And every now and then

447
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Speaker 1: you might see somebody running across the floor, uh, the

448
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Speaker 1: floor when they're feeling it. Oh okay, they feel the power. Okay,

449
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Speaker 1: they feel the power. So and then after what you know,

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Speaker 1: we have our devotional time where they they sing and

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Speaker 1: they scriptures and they read, uh they pray. But then

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Speaker 1: again after that it's on. We don't have a We

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Speaker 1: used to do regular program, but we don't do that

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Speaker 1: no more. We just let the Lord lead us and

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Speaker 1: guide us some. It's all depending on how the movement

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Speaker 1: or the spirit is going in the church. Sometime when

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Speaker 1: they get through it with devotion, the church's service is

458
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Speaker 1: so hot, I get them to start preaching right then

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Speaker 1: and there. And whilst I'm on the preaching part of it,

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Speaker 1: my sonmon, by the time I stand up and by

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Speaker 1: the time I sit down, it probably gonna take me

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Speaker 1: about a hour and fifteen minutes. But I guarantee you

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Speaker 1: one thing, it's not a dull moment in there. That

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Speaker 1: is there a choir or yeah, we have a choir.

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Speaker 1: We have uh, we have arguists, we have drums, we have.

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Speaker 2: A keyboard.

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Speaker 1: We haven't gotten to the guitars yet, but we're working

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Speaker 1: on it, trying to get there. And I mean they

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Speaker 1: I mean they playing, they didn't. It's not they're not hitting.

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Speaker 1: Just you know, in our church, we don't have We

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Speaker 1: ain't reading off notes for music wise, we're not on

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Speaker 1: notes from the news.

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Speaker 2: We just sing. We just whatever the Lord permits us

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Speaker 2: to do, we do that.

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Speaker 1: And our services if we start at ten thirty, we

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Speaker 1: get out between around one o'clock.

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Speaker 4: And but you don't I promise you you done been

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Speaker 4: to judge, I promise you that. So I have two

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Speaker 4: church stories. And well, actually I must say three things.

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Speaker 3: One is one, say two. It keeps going after one o'clock. Okay,

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Speaker 3: what do you after? Church got to be eating and

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Speaker 3: caring on the big.

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Speaker 2: Time, big time. I mean we leave, we leave church.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna stand around church and talk awhile, and then

485
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Speaker 1: after we leave them, we go to your home. We

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Speaker 1: got my wife with her place down there, and they have, man,

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Speaker 1: they have a spread down there that you wouldn't believe.

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Speaker 1: Every Sunday, every Sunday, Every Sunday is it greens and

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Speaker 1: greens and peas and hot water, corn bread and smothered

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Speaker 1: chicken and baked chicken and fried chicken roast.

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Speaker 3: I don't show up on Sunday, Mandy talking about language.

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Speaker 2: Now, man, let me tell you one thing. I'm serious.

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Speaker 3: I mean like cook oxtail, huh, oxtail.

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Speaker 2: Man, we have a man. I love me from oxtail.

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Speaker 3: Me too.

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Speaker 2: They expensive, but I love it.

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Speaker 3: He's so tender. And I guarantee you people listen to

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Speaker 3: us right now. Don't know what thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what ox tails is, but man, we

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Speaker 1: have a spread. Candy, m sweet potatoes, I mean, and

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Speaker 1: with that hot water corn bread. Man, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how many people know what hot water corn brad is.

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Speaker 3: You know the way my nickname corn well you love it? Then, yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: you know. So we we have this.

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Speaker 1: We have this amazing, amazing, amazing dinner. And the thing

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Speaker 1: of it is at my wife home where she grew

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Speaker 1: up at, they got a beep spread down. Then over

508
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Speaker 1: here at our sister hall. You walk right here, sisters

509
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Speaker 1: stay there, they got a big spread there, so you

510
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Speaker 1: can just pick whatever house you want to.

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Speaker 2: Eat at and dive in.

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Speaker 1: Church is an all day, all day thing because and

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Speaker 1: then what we do a lot of them members come

514
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Speaker 1: up there and we just sit around and talk about

515
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Speaker 1: how the church service was and what points they got

516
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Speaker 1: out of it and how everything, how the spirit of

517
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Speaker 1: the Lord touched them. Our church is one of those

518
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Speaker 1: kind of churches you see on TV where the spirit

519
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Speaker 1: is moving and everybody's on their feet. You don't sit

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Speaker 1: down in that church. It's kind of by the time

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Speaker 1: you get out, get home, man, your knees, and then

522
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Speaker 1: because it's war out because you live canting on us

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Speaker 1: all day.

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Speaker 2: So all right, you got sure your chicken line sure

525
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Speaker 2: your chicken.

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Speaker 3: What do you say about chickens?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, what we tell him every Sunday is that many

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Speaker 2: chickens he died that we might live.

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Speaker 3: I love it, man, And I bet there's some folks

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Speaker 3: run post, some truck know how to fry some chicken.

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Speaker 1: Lord Jesus, I see it one times. The Lord, you

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Speaker 1: kept anything any better than you must have kept it

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Speaker 1: for yourself.

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Speaker 3: All right. So one of my and I will call

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Speaker 3: him a brother, Tim Russell pasted during COVID, and he

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Speaker 3: he came to Memphis from up north Uh. I went

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Speaker 3: to uh. He was I believe he was the dean

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Speaker 3: of Geneva College, one of the most brilliant learned men

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Speaker 3: I've ever had the pleasure to know. His vocabulary was otherworldly,

541
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Speaker 3: and his devotion to his faith was an inspiration to me.

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Speaker 3: And he said to me one thing that I'll share

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Speaker 3: with you, which is that in America, Sunday morning is

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Speaker 3: the most segregated hour in the United States, and that

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Speaker 3: is a sin of the church. And I have never

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Speaker 3: forgotten what that means. And one of the reasons why

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Speaker 3: I like to talk about the differences in our churches

548
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Speaker 3: is because it is funny and It is interesting, but

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Speaker 3: it is wrong that I've only rarelyperienced what you're talking about,

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Speaker 3: and the vast majority of people that are listening to

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Speaker 3: us right now have either experienced what I explained to

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Speaker 3: church or what you explain to church, but have rarely

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Speaker 3: experienced both.

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Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that we need to

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Speaker 1: understand is that and I think this is well, we

556
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Speaker 1: have lost so many other young people. You have to

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Speaker 1: create some type of environment for children to make them

558
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: want to be parttakers. Young folks is not going to

559
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Speaker 1: be interested in what I call the box type, no

560
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: movement just church.

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Speaker 2: Church is more than just church. In Psums one.

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Speaker 1: Hundred, is that make a joyful nose unto the Lord

563
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Speaker 1: ally land come before his present with singing and being joyful.

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Speaker 1: When you are joyful, then there's a different expression on

565
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Speaker 1: your face, that's a different feeling on the inside.

566
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Speaker 2: And when we go in churches, now you want to

567
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Speaker 2: go in there with them.

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Speaker 1: You want to This is gonna ought to be a

569
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Speaker 1: place off, a release, a place off, regeneral, a nation

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Speaker 1: or rejuvenation. In other words, all the stuff that you

571
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Speaker 1: done went through all the week long. When you go

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Speaker 1: to church, there ought to be a time or release,

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Speaker 1: and when you release, it's kind of like there's a

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Speaker 1: joy come in your heart and you you, you are

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Speaker 1: so joyful that you began to express it outward. Let see,

576
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Speaker 1: praise and worship is something that God desires. Praise is

577
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Speaker 1: for us, worship is for him. And it takes both

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Speaker 1: of them because you have to worship God. Now we

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Speaker 1: do both of them. We have a time of worship,

580
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Speaker 1: then we have a time of praise. And when we

581
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Speaker 1: praise God, I mean you might see dust coming out

582
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Speaker 1: of the floors and everything else weep into ta plays apart,

583
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Speaker 1: you know, And that's what.

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Speaker 3: Praise it all about. We'll be right back. The second

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Speaker 3: thing my brother Tim taught me was this, we are

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Speaker 3: often confused by the building. And I looked at him

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Speaker 3: like he was crazy as he was eating on a

588
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Speaker 3: barbecue ribbt Cozy Corner, which, by the way, Cozy Corner

589
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Speaker 3: got some barbecue. That's a Memphis You need to nerve

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Speaker 3: about that. But anyway, I'll digress. I said, what do

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Speaker 3: you mean we're confused by the building? He said, Well,

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Speaker 3: you go to the movie theater, or you go to

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Speaker 3: the orchestra, or you go to a concert, and you've

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Speaker 3: got a stage, and you've got seats, and you either

595
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 3: pay a ticket or you go for free, and the

596
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Speaker 3: people in the seats are entertained by the people on

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Speaker 3: the stage. And that is a very normal atmosphere. And

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00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: he said, but because churches are set up that way,

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Speaker 3: people inside the church are often confused. And I said,

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Speaker 3: what you mean. He said, well, because you've got your

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Speaker 3: pews or your seats, and then you've got the pastor

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Speaker 3: in the choir up front. You think that that is

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Speaker 3: like a typical human auditorium. And he said, church is not.

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Speaker 3: He said, if you were in the pews, you are

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Speaker 3: not there to be entertained, true, And if you are

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Speaker 3: a preacher or a choir, you are not to entertain

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Speaker 3: the people in the pews. Rather, all of you together

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Speaker 3: are there to entertain an audience of one. And he said.

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Speaker 3: People go to church and then they leave church, oftentimes

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Speaker 3: critiquing the sermon, or critiquing the music, or critiquing the atmosphere,

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Speaker 3: when they don't understand that they are the ones to

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Speaker 3: be critiqued because as a corporate group of people inside

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Speaker 3: a church, they are to be worshiping and praising and

614
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: the only audience this God, you see.

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Speaker 1: The praise and worship. And I don't believe that you

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Speaker 1: are to come to church one way and leave the

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Speaker 1: same way. I believe you come to church, you receive

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Speaker 1: the Word, you worship and praise God. There should be

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Speaker 1: some change in the way you go out the door.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you should if you come in a burden,

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Speaker 1: you are to leave out happy. You come in mind

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Speaker 1: confusing them, you are to leave out of there with

623
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Speaker 1: a different type of mindset. Because why you the Lord

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Speaker 1: then visit you, and when you're thinking about God have

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00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 1: allowed his spirit to visit you. There should be some change.

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Speaker 1: We had a young lady coming to church on a

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Speaker 1: Sunday here and she just sat there and she just

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Speaker 1: wept through the whole service. But then when I got

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Speaker 1: through preaching, she came up and we began to lay

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Speaker 1: hands on him pray for him, and that girl released

631
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Speaker 1: all of that anxiety that.

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Speaker 2: She had in her.

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Speaker 1: She said that she just couldn't go to She just

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Speaker 1: couldn't go another day feeling down and out. So I

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Speaker 1: believe that it's not Church should not be a place

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00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: of entertainment, but church ought to be a place where

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00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: you can release and you can receive once you released,

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00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: then you received.

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Speaker 2: Because if you come to church and listen.

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Speaker 1: To the word of God, you that psumon may not

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00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: all be a pertaining to you, are something you're going

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00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: through with. But somebody in their church that word of

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00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: God gonna hit them some type of way. That's the

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00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: way God does it because God bring up people together.

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00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: He want to be everybody. So I think that what's

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Speaker 1: happening now, that's why you see churches now begin to explode,

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00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: like because you got a lot of young peoples in

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00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: their church that they are coming looking for something. We

649
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: are losing and have lost a generation of children. We

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00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: got to do something now to turn this millennium around.

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00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: And if they're gonna be in the church, what are

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00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: you gonna do. They're not coming in they're sending folding arms,

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Speaker 1: they're not coming in this in it and this little

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00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: they're not coming in this center. But there's got to

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Speaker 1: be something that's gonna trigger their minds to help them

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Speaker 1: to go forward.

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Speaker 3: So as you listen to Bishop Martin, you understand his fire,

658
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: his passion, and what his church is like. And so

659
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: you and Donna and your two children are living in

660
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: Possum Trot. You're selling insurance, you're running your church. You

661
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: have a passion of fire to inspire people. Sundays are

662
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: what they are in Possum Trot with Bennett Chapel. And

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00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 3: you're living your life, and then something really drastic happens

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00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: in your lives, especially Donna's. She loses the matriarch of

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00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 3: her family.

666
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 2: She lost her mother, which her father had already passed.

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00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: I funeralized both of them, and I never will forget

668
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: it that Saturday afternoon, whilst I was up preaching, and

669
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: there was so many people in that little church. It

670
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: was a small play there as long, and so many

671
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: people in the church, the one side of the church

672
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: caved in. Whilst I was up preaching, a whole that

673
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: just separated from the wall and cave in. Was laying

674
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: on the grind and I didn't even know that I

675
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: heard the pop, but I didn't know what went on.

676
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: So when dona mother passed, I think three or four

677
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: months later, reality set in. And when reality set in,

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00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: she began to feel lost, She began to feel empaty,

679
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: she began to feel that it wasn't no hope.

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Speaker 2: So one day.

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Speaker 1: She said, Lord, if you're not gonna take this burden

682
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: off me about my mama. I don't want to live

683
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: in this world no more.

684
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Speaker 2: Let me die.

685
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: But then what she looked for and what she got

686
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: was told her two different things. And you know that's

687
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Speaker 1: where God always worked. You don't never work the way

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00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: we see it in our head. So what happened was

689
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Speaker 1: he just said, spoke a wood, give back, And she said, well,

690
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: what he said give back? You talk about all the

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Speaker 1: love that your mama gave, you give it back to

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Speaker 1: your child that don't know what love is about. But

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Speaker 1: that still wasn't quite clear because for its adoption for

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Speaker 1: a false we didn't even know anything about that. I mean,

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00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: we had zero understanding. Wasn't Donna one of how many

696
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: Donna was one of how many kids? I think it

697
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: was seventeen brothers and sisters.

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Speaker 3: First of all, one woman giving birth to seventeen children.

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Speaker 3: I remember watching when Donna's mom looked at Donna and said,

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Speaker 3: I want some more grandchildren. You don't need to have

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00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: more than two. And she said, I got two kids.

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Speaker 3: That's all I can handle. And she said two kids,

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Speaker 3: that's cute. You ain't even started yet. Yeah, but I

704
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Speaker 3: guess when you had seventeen kids yeah. But the point

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Speaker 3: is when Donna thought of her mother, she thought of

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Speaker 3: a woman who loved and raised seventeen children. And so

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Speaker 3: it feels like as she was going through her despair

708
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 3: over her mother, she found a connection back to her mother,

709
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 3: thinking I could give the love to other children that

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00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 3: my mother gave to all seventeen of us. Is that right?

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Speaker 1: And that's what the Lord said, give it back? So

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Speaker 1: and then, like I said, it was seven league kids.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't even get that out of mind.

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Speaker 1: We have four kids, and I thought I was going

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Speaker 1: to lose my mind. And I know Lisa damn near

716
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: did lose her mind.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen kids, Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, if you take

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Speaker 3: a four month break between each kid, that's still twenty

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Speaker 3: one years of having kids. That is phenomenal. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: that concludes Part one of my conversation with Bishop Martin,

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Speaker 3: and you don't want to miss part two. That's now

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Speaker 3: we'll be able to listen to as his adoption revolution.

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Speaker 3: It's coming and I'm telling you it's inspiring. Together, guys,

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Speaker 3: we can change this country, and it starts with you.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you in part two