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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Colleen Witz, and today we have in the building music artists,

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Speaker 1: philosopher entrepreneur Larussell, and I am truly excited. Nothing made

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Speaker 1: my day more than like what two days ago when

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Speaker 1: your crew I think his crew confirmed like two or

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Speaker 1: three days ago, and it literally they were like, holy

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Speaker 1: why are you so silent? You're supposed to be happy?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I'm just making sure you

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Speaker 1: tell me the date because if you tell me a

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Speaker 1: month from now, I'm not getting excited, because just in

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Speaker 1: case something happens. And she was like, so you're happy,

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Speaker 1: I said, what's the date two days from now? I said, hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy. Girl Danks shout outs and Nicole from the

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Speaker 1: Black Effect for booking you. Super happy to have you.

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Speaker 1: I love the name of your company and I love

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Speaker 1: what you're about. I'm the name of his company is

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Speaker 1: called Good Come Penny as in Points, which I was like,

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Speaker 1: ooh ooh, that's different, I said, Man, Larussell's hitting us

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Speaker 1: with so much integ do you remind me of a

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Speaker 1: cross between jay Z and Drake and anyone that has

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Speaker 1: not heard your music or kind of even try to

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Speaker 1: cyberspy on you. It was like really missing out, like

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Speaker 1: on some good stuff. But since I have you in

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Speaker 1: my kitchen, the eating while broke kitchen, I have to

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Speaker 1: know what were you eating when you were broke?

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Today I'm going to be making an egg sandwich. This

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Speaker 3: was a classic. My mama taught me how to make

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Speaker 3: eggs when I was like five, and I used to

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Speaker 3: wake up every morning and make eggs and that was

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Speaker 3: the only thing I knew how to make. So we

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Speaker 3: taking it back to the basics. We got some eggs,

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Speaker 3: we got some salt and pepper. Today we're gonna be

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Speaker 3: doing it on garlic bread. Yeah, because I usually use

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Speaker 3: regular bread and we just throw it in a toaster.

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Speaker 3: But my boy Austin was like, you gotta do garlic bread,

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Speaker 3: so I figured we just spice it up today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a whole discussion about the whole garlic bread,

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Speaker 1: you and I because I've actually never even thought of

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Speaker 1: garlic bread. Actually, the first time I ever had garlic

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Speaker 1: bread for real, for real was the Texas toast in

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Speaker 1: the box. And now if you go into a store,

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Speaker 1: it is sold out, like you can't get it. It's

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Speaker 1: a miracle. If you find one maybe on eBay, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know the pandemic. Just like said, take away

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Speaker 1: the best bread on earth. But I'm excited to eat

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Speaker 1: with you, so let's get it cracking. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: egg let's get it cracked, all right. I listened to

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Speaker 1: rap music so much that my girlfriend and I shout

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Speaker 1: out to a lap behind the mirror over there. I

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Speaker 1: listened to rap soap music so much that I actually

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Speaker 1: speak in metaphors and sometimes people have to stop me

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Speaker 1: and say, coly, we get it. You know you don't

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Speaker 1: have to. You don't have to rebreak it down in

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Speaker 1: puzzle times.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm a metaphor speakers. Can I move this

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Speaker 3: so I can crack some eggs?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 3: Slide over to my side the greatest?

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Speaker 2: Are you eating one too?

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Speaker 1: So I should make all you have to cook for

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Speaker 1: both of us because if it's trash, we can both

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Speaker 1: discover that garlic bread egg sandwiches is just.

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Speaker 3: Not I'm finna drop some butter up in here, because

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Speaker 3: my mom would be like, use some pam so you

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Speaker 3: don't leave eggs stained all over there.

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Speaker 1: Now, are you one of those people that are really

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Speaker 1: going to use metal on a Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do. Use.

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Speaker 2: We're not supposed to do that.

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Speaker 1: Even every listener is hearing that scratching is like, what

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Speaker 1: is he doing?

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Speaker 3: That's crazy?

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Speaker 1: What is he doing? His mama couldn't have ever let

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Speaker 1: him do that.

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Speaker 3: Man, she did. You wouldn't believe how much stuff my

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Speaker 3: mom let me dot. I don't think we had teflon

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Speaker 3: back then. Maybe I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: You're right then it was like a luxury. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: back then I think it was. You're right, you just

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Speaker 1: had to butter everything down. Otherwise it's stuck.

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Speaker 3: Or you get that good old pam spray and you

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Speaker 3: in it. Oh I'm getting it all over there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a you know, So tell

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Speaker 1: me a little bit about what was going on. I

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Speaker 1: know this is like the first dish that you ever cooked,

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Speaker 1: but tell me what was going on during the time of.

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Speaker 3: Also, I usually add bacon, beet bacon bits, and chaddar cheese.

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Speaker 3: But I heard y'all broke, so it wasn't a here,

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna go pepper. I don't see salt over here.

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Speaker 3: There's lors y'all struggling.

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Speaker 1: Hey, yo, so much fun of us over here yet?

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Speaker 1: You're not even gonna use lorries because.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm not gonna use Larry. I've never done that.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to keep it authentic.

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Speaker 1: Wow, okay, okay, I respect it to be honest. I

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Speaker 1: don't use lowries. Well I just started to recently, but

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Speaker 1: it's only because I married a black man from Detroit

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Speaker 1: who believes.

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Speaker 3: Lawry's is everything seasoning. Yeah, yes, yes, beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So what was going on growing up? Like around when

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Speaker 1: you were making egg sandwiches? I know you started at five,

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Speaker 1: you know, making these, but like kind of tell me

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Speaker 1: a little bit of your background growing up, Like were

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Speaker 1: you middle class?

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Speaker 3: I thought I was middle class until I got older

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Speaker 3: and realized we're definitely lower middle class. But my pops

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Speaker 3: was a hustler, so we were like we had enough

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Speaker 3: money to be like the richest niggas in the broke

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Speaker 3: neighborhood type shit you feel me, but definitely, uh, lower class,

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Speaker 3: just regular neighborhood. Hard to describe when people ask that

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Speaker 3: it to be familiar.

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Speaker 1: Did you grow up in a two parent household?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Definitely.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, Okay. A lot of people on the show,

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Speaker 1: they haven't I'm going in that's good. So when did

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Speaker 1: you transition to music.

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Speaker 3: I've been writing since I was like seven, whether through

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Speaker 3: like writing poems or just journaling, drawing, just I've just

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Speaker 3: always used kind of writing and art as like an

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Speaker 3: artistic expression and form. So yeah, since I was seven,

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Speaker 3: and it's kind of just cultivated. Me and my sister

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Speaker 3: had this boom box and we used to download instrumentals

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Speaker 3: from LimeWire and burn them on the cdy the instrumentals

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Speaker 3: on the boom box and wrap over it. And I

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Speaker 3: remember we had a wrapped over knock if you buck

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Speaker 3: and I was going crazy, but my sister was better

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Speaker 1: Your sister was rapping too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my sister was rapping too.

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Speaker 1: So does she still rap?

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Speaker 3: No, she doesn't.

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Speaker 1: So you surpassed her in the rap skills and then

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Speaker 1: she was like, I'm good. Is that what happened?

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Speaker 3: I don't think she ever had a passion for it.

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Speaker 3: It was just something we like to play around and do,

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Speaker 3: and I just kind of stuck with it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, that's pretty cool. So you is it

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Speaker 1: that you like Drake because it like from what I've

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Speaker 1: researched on you. Is that you from other articles and

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Speaker 1: you could correct me if I'm wrong, But your goal

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Speaker 1: was to be on the level I want to say,

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Speaker 1: and on the I don't know, like numbers level, because

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Speaker 1: obviously talent wise, you're on the same level as Drake,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying numbers wise, you want to be on

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Speaker 1: the same level, but independently. Yeah, is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Not necessarily numbers wise, but impacting notoriety wise. You know,

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Speaker 3: I want people to respect me as such, and partially

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Speaker 3: the way to do that is to put up the numbers. Right,

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Speaker 3: If you're not scoring as well as Jordan, people don't

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Speaker 3: expect you respect you like a Jordan, right, And yeah,

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Speaker 3: to do that independently and just show people that it's

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Speaker 3: possible to be the greatest at something without having to

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Speaker 3: utilize someone else's infrastructure that they tell you got to

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Speaker 3: go through and you got to use these methods and

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Speaker 3: you got to sell away your ownership, you know, like

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Speaker 3: everyone knows early on Drake didn't have his masters and

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Speaker 3: had a horrible deal. I want to show people that

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Speaker 3: you can get to that level without having to go

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Speaker 3: through that.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: When you say just want to rewind. You said it

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Speaker 1: was important for you to have impact and notoriety, Like why,

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Speaker 1: what does that even mean to me?

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Speaker 3: It just it enables you to to It enables you

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Speaker 3: to make change, like right now, feed the whole hood

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Speaker 3: where I'm from. You know, from now to the end

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Speaker 3: of the year, I've been feeding the hood out of

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Speaker 3: that because of my impact and my notoriety. I've become

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Speaker 3: so great that I make enough money to where I

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Speaker 3: could take care of the place that birthed me right,

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people don't get to do that

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Speaker 3: because they don't have either the talent level or the

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Speaker 3: resource to do it. I've been able to do it independently.

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Speaker 3: I'm Finnah. Drop this garlic bread on this joint.

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Speaker 1: It's already, it's already done, already toasted it.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I try to cheat it because I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get all up in your kool aid. Wow, So I

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Speaker 1: put the temple because you can't find that anywhere intriguing.

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Speaker 1: Let's try it. Let's be a team here. Dang, why

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Speaker 1: do we have to break from your story? Though?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Is this not the hardest interview? Process.

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Speaker 3: This is great, This is great. I'm a multitasker.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try this too. All right, so we

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Speaker 1: get the bread everyone, we're getting the garlic bread situation

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Speaker 1: together and we're putting eggs in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is new. I've never had this. Shout out

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Speaker 3: Austin off the store. Ye let me get right on there.

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Speaker 1: Berthie was talking is mess about us being broke.

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Speaker 3: Now, well, I was going to put garlic bread on there,

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Speaker 3: but you know, you guys did it, so okay, I

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Speaker 3: completely forgot you were.

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Speaker 1: Going to actually make it. You don't even know how

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Speaker 1: to make garlic bread, do you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I use Texas toes, so I was just

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Speaker 3: going to throw it up on that joint and then

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Speaker 3: it does what it does and you're good after.

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Speaker 1: Let's trying. Okay, let's go back to notoriety and impact

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Speaker 1: and you feeding your community. Okay, stealing all your eggs, buddy,

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Do you want to sample

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Speaker 1: it first before we get into the nuts and bolts.

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Speaker 4: Sure, all right, let's try and see here we good?

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Speaker 3: It did. It's a lot of bread.

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Speaker 1: I think Texas garlic.

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Speaker 3: It Texas.

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Speaker 1: At least we now know we actually now know how

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Speaker 1: to do it in the future. But there's way too

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Speaker 1: much bread.

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Speaker 2: On this one, way too much bread.

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Speaker 3: It's like a bread with a side of eggs. It's

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Speaker 3: actually garlic, a garlic bread sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Would you ever serve the in almost mm hmmm. That

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Speaker 1: could be an idea, but withinner bread, right, yeah, look

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Speaker 1: at me? Do I Can we call it the eating

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Speaker 3: There's a cash Money had the best deal in terms

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Speaker 1: Really, you don't think they gave artists really good deals?

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Speaker 3: No, because they Drake didn't have his masters. He just

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Speaker 3: How could they be in a great deal? Tiger has

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, cash Money had a substantial deal.

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Speaker 3: I've been I used to sell swishers. One of your parents, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So you got your entrepreneur spirit from him, and then

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Speaker 1: I like that, you know what you say? How I think.

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Speaker 1: I think that's why I like you so much. I genuinely,

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Speaker 1: Right when I hear your lyrics, you're I feel like

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Speaker 3: That's always been the process, you know, Like I've watched

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Speaker 1: Sometimes they shut you down, get to it, and then

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Speaker 3: You need to have this that like, we're not going

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Speaker 3: Just about everything comes to me. And I may have

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Speaker 3: see as it cultivates. So I've seen it. There's not

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00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 3: too much that come through the email that I don't see,

438
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 3: and if I don't see it, my two right hands

439
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 3: always see it and it still makes its way to me.

440
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 3: So with the eating when I broke, that was one

441
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: of the reasons. I was like, ah, the title, don't

442
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: I don't like when people play on the on poverty,

443
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: and like, it's just.

444
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Speaker 1: Like when I created Eating While Broke, I I was like,

445
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: I just I have so many dope, successful friends that

446
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: are like millionaires, influence celebrities, entrepreneurs, and they always have

447
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: these crazy stories like they were in jail, or they

448
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: were male escorts or just crazy ass stories, and I

449
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: love them. I lived for them. We go on to hiking,

450
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: like tell me more, what else did you do? You're

451
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: a hooker? Okay, let's there, you know, And so I

452
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: just love the journey. I actually don't even I do

453
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: enjoy the solutions, but I love the journey. I love

454
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,239
Speaker 1: the storytelling. I love the hero's journey. And so when

455
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: I came up with Eating While Broke, I was like, well,

456
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,239
Speaker 1: we got to start it at the route you know

457
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,199
Speaker 1: that everyone can relate to, like, you know, people that

458
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 1: are aspiring rappers that are literally only have two pennies

459
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 1: to rub together, and I named it Eating while Broke.

460
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: But then I realized, damn, every time I pitched the show,

461
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: I have to say, hey, I have this great opportunity

462
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: for you. It's ignore the name, let me tell you

463
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: what it is. And I always have to say, ignore

464
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 1: the name, and then I tell them, you know, the

465
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: show is about inspiring people and just kind of leveling

466
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: with them and inspiring them that they can do exactly

467
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 1: what you did, or they should believe in themselves no

468
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: matter what their environment is in. But I always have

469
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: to do this, dang explain her on eating wall Sometimes.

470
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Speaker 3: That's why, like certain things would get to me through email,

471
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: but since it doesn't have full context, it's like I

472
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: can't tend to it right because it doesn't resonate. But

473
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Speaker 3: that's why I'm always somebody. I'm so open. If you

474
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 3: see me anywhere, you can come to me and address me.

475
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: And once I meet you and feel your energy, it's like, oh, okay,

476
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 3: that makes sense, right, But emails have no context, like

477
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: that's just you gotta take it for whatever you want.

478
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Speaker 1: I'm uh. Pippole told me this once. He said, if

479
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: they locked the door, you're climbing through the window. I

480
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he didn't respond. He Nicole, better use

481
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: that my heart email drop this Charlottemade you know it's

482
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: running this show, and uh, you know, get his attention.

483
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: And not only did I do that, but I liked

484
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: you so much. I literally was like Earner Leisure should

485
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: have him, Charlemagne should have him, all these people should

486
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: have him, and she was like, I think they already did.

487
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 1: Like I was like the last ones at the table,

488
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: like these are the shows he should be on. I

489
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 1: don't even I don't even never had an opportunity meet

490
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: with you, but I was like, dam all your publicists

491
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: over there, like this is who I want. Love it

492
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: and and that's you know why we named the show,

493
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, eating while broke.

494
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: But I get it because I literally every time I

495
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: sell someone on the idea, I'm like, just ignore the name,

496
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: ignore the name. But I'm glad that you take time

497
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: to come and sit with me and super excited. I

498
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: love literally everything you're about. And sorry, one of the

499
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: things that kind of surprised me is the entrepreneur in

500
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: you and like, also, like, why did you name your

501
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: company the Good Company?

502
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: Right?

503
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: Well, I mean good company just because there's a quote.

504
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: Let's say your mama say you just by the company

505
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 3: you keep, right, So I feel like good company is

506
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: encompassing of just I like to have good people around me,

507
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: and we build great energy when we go into places.

508
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: We're a good company to have, right, Just that name

509
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 3: is welcoming. And then I use pennies because I feel

510
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: like pennies are undervalued and overlooked. Right. If you see

511
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 3: a penny on the ground, you usually don't stop and

512
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: pick it up. But imagine if you stopped and picked

513
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: up every penny you walk past throughout your whole life,

514
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: have more money than a lot of the people besides you.

515
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 3: Even though it's a penny. There's a multitude of them,

516
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: like we passed them up all the time everywhere, and

517
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: no one really cares. Right, But it exists for a reason.

518
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: I sometimes think pennies exist to go in my daughter's mouth. Right,

519
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: that's a terrible joke. I'm a new mom. I'm a

520
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: brand new mom. I spend most of my days trying

521
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,120
Speaker 1: to convince my daughter not to try a new way

522
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: to commit suicide. Right right now, now you see why

523
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: our parents are like tired by eight o'clock because they

524
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 1: like spent the entire day, like what do you have

525
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: to do next? But what can people expect from you

526
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: in the future music wise?

527
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: A ton of it, A whole lot of it.

528
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: You know. I'm someone I live by this theory of

529
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 3: like leaving empty. I don't want to leave with nothing

530
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: on my plate and all the music I have I

531
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 3: intend to release and get out. I don't want to

532
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 3: sit on things for years. I'm currently building crazy infrastructure

533
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: at home. I keep saying I'm building Disneyland because we're

534
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 3: building something like that completely laterally. But really, I don't know.

535
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: I don't have any expectation of myself. So I think

536
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 3: people shouldn't. They should just enjoy the journey. Like how

537
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: you say you've been spying, Like I hope when you

538
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: spy you're smiling because it's just it's a hell of

539
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: a show to watch, you know, it's a beautiful shavn't

540
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,719
Speaker 3: got to see too many artists actually make it in

541
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: front of us, right, Like we see the resulting that

542
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,479
Speaker 3: the label post and share, but we don't see like

543
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 3: them going city to city. Hey yo, I'm gonna do

544
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: a pop up, you know, Like we don't get to

545
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: see that part of the journey, and I'm showing all

546
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: of it. I'm showing us running merch for filming out

547
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 3: of my house. My mom is dropping them, dropping them off,

548
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: like I'm showing the entire process, and we're sharing the

549
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: gyms along. So I think people should just stay tuned

550
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: and this We got enough sequels to beat the Fast

551
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 3: and Furious series, you know, like we're coming.

552
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: Like that when you do your pop YouTube pop up shows, right.

553
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: We're doing one tonight. I just I just got off

554
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: a plane and I was like, man, I want to

555
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 3: do a show. So we announced it and now the

556
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: show tickets have been selling tonight. It's going to be

557
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: at where going to be? This is This one's gonna

558
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: be special because it's an unplugged version and it's like

559
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: live Q and A like.

560
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: People, I'm not gonna lie like I would love to go.

561
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: Please. What's dope about our shows is like this one

562
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: is a bit different, but generally with our shows, like

563
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: I use the second half of my set to just

564
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: let the fans choose the songs they want to hear,

565
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 3: and I rap whatever they say they want to hear. Right,

566
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 3: So it's like a really interactive show. We did one

567
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: in New York and Brooklyn. When we went out there,

568
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 3: it sold out in six hours, five hundred tickets. So

569
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: now I've just kind of been in this wave where

570
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: it's like I just be like, I feel like doing it,

571
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: and we do it and it usually goes well.

572
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: And then who kind of does the logistics?

573
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: So myself for Nadi, he's a member of my team.

574
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: He helps with booking, Tiata helps with logistics. Milli is

575
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 3: on my team. So anytime we go to a tour

576
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 3: route and she kind of.

577
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: Plans and give a guy and girl team you yeah, yeah, okay,

578
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: I like that because sometimes you work with people and

579
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: they like Slayholder, like Charlemagne's company is pretty much ran

580
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: by women black women, which is amazing by the way

581
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: he treat the man.

582
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be where I am without women. I have

583
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: a team of like the most incredible creative intuit in

584
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: women when it comes to just business and everything.

585
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: Now, one of the things I did see, and I

586
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: could be wrong, maybe lack of research, but I feel

587
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: like on one of the things you have posted was

588
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: like if people buy your records, they have like some

589
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: kind of ownership in it.

590
00:30:59,800 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

591
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, So not necessarily if you buy it some people.

592
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: So on Usually on projects, I'll sell my album before

593
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: it comes to streaming, and anyone who buys that project

594
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: is up for selection to receive a royalty. So I

595
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 3: usually go through the list of buyers and I'll pick

596
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: like fifty to one hundred people, sometimes one hundred and

597
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: fifty if I'm feeling good, sometimes two hundred, and I'll

598
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: give them a percentage of royalty in different songs from

599
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 3: that album. You can also buy royalties, like you could

600
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: make an offer to purchase a share. So if you

601
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: have a favorite song you like, I love this song,

602
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: I know it's gonna be big, or just I love

603
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: this song, I just want to have a stake in it,

604
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: you can make an offer to me and say I

605
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: want five percent of the revenue from this song. I'm

606
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: willing to give you a thousand dollars five hundred dollars,

607
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: and I'll hit you and negotiate and say I'm willing

608
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: to take this or I'm not, and then I send

609
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: you a percentage to the distro you collect every month

610
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: into perpetuity for the rest of your life.

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00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard of someone do that, Brover, I've

612
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: never heard a song. I was like, did he do

613
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: what I think he did?

614
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

615
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: How do you right?

616
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: How did you come up with that?

617
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: Though?

618
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 3: Like how it was just a late night thought of

619
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 3: Like I've always been split in revenue with my team.

620
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 3: Everyone who helped, producers, engineers, they all get a percent.

621
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: So one day it was just like we should give

622
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: the fans some They listened to this shit every day.

623
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: Imagine if your favorite jay Z song, I Man, you

624
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: listen to it every day, but you don't want to

625
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: percent it. My fans, like bagas Claim blew up. Some

626
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: of my fans had equity in that song when it

627
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: first dropped, a year before it even took off.

628
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: So they for the rest of their.

629
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: Life they're going to be getting money off bagas Claim

630
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: because they just made the right call. They enjoyed the song.

631
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: So and then, but.

632
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: They reached out to you, or how did you even

633
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: announce that?

634
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: I made this big announcement and Tieta on my team.

635
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: She created this form for people to go fill out

636
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: and you put all your information, you put your offer amount,

637
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 3: how much you want. It comes to a database. I

638
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: look at all the offers, I'll email you and say yeh,

639
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: I send your offer. I liked it, I accept you

640
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: email me. I go through every offered personal badass even

641
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: through email, like when we do bookings and shit like,

642
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: people are always surprised that they're talking to me. It's like,

643
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: it's my business. Of course you're talking to me.

644
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: It makes sense, right. Most of my companies, for some

645
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: reason cannot get them past a certain threshold. I don't

646
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: know if it's like my whatever, but so most of

647
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: my companies are smaller. So I'll email, but I email

648
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: under an alias. It'll be like Samantha, and it'll be

649
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: like Samantha's so crazy.

650
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: When I used to send out emails to get booked,

651
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: to go to venues and try to book them, I

652
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: used to act like I was my own manager, and

653
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Speaker 3: then eventually it's like, bro, it's me.

654
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Speaker 2: I am l Russell. I'm gonna DIVI vinue. This is

655
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: what I want to do right.

656
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: And I've gotten so much more rapport and response because

657
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: it's like, of course people want to talk to you

658
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 3: like I'm doing it right.

659
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: You didn't feel at some point it hinders how much

660
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: more you can get because like I'll give it pretty

661
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: v uh. I emailed her and I'm like okay, you know,

662
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: she responded, and then like it was her, and then

663
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: she got on the phone with me. She like just

664
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: called me, and then I hear the Jamaican accent. I'm like,

665
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I said, and we ended up vibing

666
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: on the phone like for forty five minutes. And but

667
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: it was it was the first time that I cold

668
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: called emailed somebody and not only did they respond in

669
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: record speed, but I mean, first of all, that girl

670
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: is as humble as a yet, right, but that was

671
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: the first time that I've ever seen like someone on

672
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: that level just be like, what's up, what's up? Let's

673
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: do it. She was like, what do you want me

674
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: to cook? I got beans and that. I was like,

675
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You're dope. I was just like

676
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 1: you do you know, and it was past, no team,

677
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: no nothing. And you know, I didn't even know it

678
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: was her until she called me, and I was like, oh,

679
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: it's you. You know, that's like if jay Z calls

680
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: me after an email and be like.

681
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: Right, people usually get that same shock, but it just

682
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: builds a different relationship, right. You respect what someone is

683
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: building a lot more when you know they're working it, right,

684
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 3: It's hard to fuck someone over when it's like oh

685
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 3: it's you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're right, builds a different

686
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 3: rapport you have to do.

687
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: You have an internal rule about letting new people into

688
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: your camp, because it seems like you have a very

689
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: large camp.

690
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: It is kind kind of yeah, even my immediate group

691
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 3: is pretty large. There's not really a rule, just an energy, right,

692
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: if I know who I like and who I don't like,

693
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: and who fits and who doesn't. Sometimes we'll trial people

694
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: out and it's like ah, that didn't really work, and

695
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: we kind of maneuver forward. But it's not really any rule,

696
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: just your energy, how you feel, how everyone feels about you,

697
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: how you feel about everyone, and we could usually get

698
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: a sense of that really fast. I also have like

699
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: I like to work with people who work hard, like

700
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: the best. You know, I don't want to It's like, bro,

701
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: I'm playing at a high level at all times. If

702
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: you can't keep up, you need to go on the

703
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: other court and play with the little kids for a

704
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: bit to your game get up.

705
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: Have you experienced failure or let me just rephrase that,

706
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: have you experienced perceived failure?

707
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: I hate the word, of course, yeah, of course me about.

708
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: Like perceived failure, and like what the experience was.

709
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 3: Man, I've had shows where there was five people in

710
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: the crowd and I had to pay for a venue.

711
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 3: I rented a sprinter van to get my team there.

712
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 3: We brought the equipment, We brought a ton of merch

713
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 3: that we didn't sell because there wasn't no one to

714
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 3: sell it to. And I was a tough ride home.

715
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: You know, I was silent. I'm usually the allowing and

716
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: talking and childing, but I was silent, right. And I've

717
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: had several of those moments of perceive failure even beyond that,

718
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 3: just sometimes releasing merch and putting all your money into

719
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: it and it doesn't go that people don't react. Early on,

720
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 3: I had a lot of albums. I dropped twenty two albums.

721
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: I've had a lot of albums early on where I

722
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 3: was like, this is gonna be Yeah, we've been we've

723
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: been overlow. We didn't blow nothing. Albums is a lot, yeah,

724
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 3: way more.

725
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: Two hours, not even twenty two singles.

726
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 3: No, And that's just my catalog. I've written other EP

727
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 3: single albums for a bunch of other people, so, but

728
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: just in my own album, it's twenty two.

729
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: When you experience perceived failure. Can you walk me through

730
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: your thoughts?

731
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: Usually is negative first, right, It's all like I look

732
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: for all the problems, what I didn't do, how I

733
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: didn't do it while I could have done it better,

734
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: And then eventually it just becomes like analytical solution based,

735
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 3: like I always want to I always want to prove

736
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: me wrong or anybody wrong. I'm like, well, I'm finna

737
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: next time. I'm gonna do it triple besides, and it's

738
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: gonna be a success. But yeah, it's usually just that

739
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: immersed emotional turmoil that comes with it first, where you know,

740
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: you feel that dark cloud over you and sometimes you

741
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 3: gotta cry or you gotta sit in that and kind

742
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: of be in that space until you could work through it.

743
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that you didn't just say, well, maybe this

744
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: is a question. But in that negative space, have you

745
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: questioned your worth? Like whether you know, like, oh, well

746
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: five people. I get the logistics because I as an entrepreneur,

747
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: I get like what did we do? What could we

748
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: have done differently? But in that negative space, can you say,

749
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: and you are prolific for sure, but have you questioned your.

750
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 3: Own not in music, like anytime I failed in music.

751
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: It wasn't a question of my own worth. It was

752
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: just like, they don't see it. Right, I knew, I

753
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: knew I was it. I'm just like they don't see it.

754
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: I haven't done enough work for them to see it.

755
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 3: They don't see it. So I've never questioned my worth

756
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: in that aspect. If I'm questioning my worth, it's usually

757
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: through some life shit, like me doing something against my

758
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: own morals or against my own code, or just I

759
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: let somebody down and that's dear to me. Those are

760
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: moments I questioned my worth when I can't show up

761
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: for my daughter in a way that I felt like

762
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 3: I should. Things like that, but not music, And I put.

763
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: My hour career wise.

764
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: No, yeah, no, not career wise at all. I know

765
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: what I'm worth in my career. I know what I deliver,

766
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 3: I know what I bring forth, and even even through life,

767
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 3: like I'm getting to a point where I know my

768
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: impact and how significant I am to you know, the

769
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: life around me and the world. I'm feeding a community.

770
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: A community. So there's a book I just recently checked out.

771
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever heard of it. It's

772
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: called Mail Versus Man. Dedre Whitfield shout outs to him.

773
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: I picked up the book. I thought it was for men,

774
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: but so I got it from my my friend and

775
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: but I ended up reading it because I like to

776
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: read to get to a book. I'm literally in a

777
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: book head that I am obsessed with books. But I

778
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: read the book and one of the things he pointed

779
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: out in the book, which I will gift you the

780
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: book now that I have, I think I have your

781
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: address on them. I'll get to information. Yes, But anyways,

782
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: one of the things he talked about was like the

783
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: male versus man. You know, the male is self seeking

784
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: and the man is of service, which is different problem.

785
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: I never thought of that, Like, so when a guy

786
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: takes me on a date, I'm like, are you trying

787
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: to give me? Are you trying to serve me? Now,

788
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: at first I was like, oh, that's messed up to

789
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: like seek service, But as a female, it's actually not,

790
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: because you know, we seek protection and we seek Some

791
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: of us do need help providing and some of us

792
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: need of course, everyone wants to be professed. Marry me,

793
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: the announce the world. I'm the one. I also in

794
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: my hip hop head and after reading that book lately,

795
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: it's like every song on the radio is like shout

796
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: out to my sneaky link er or yeah, I'm having

797
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: sex with him my side chick raw. But I'm never

798
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: gonna leave you. I'm never gonna leave my family for you.

799
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: And and I'm like, yo, did he really just say

800
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: he's having sex with his side chick raw and that's

801
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: why she's attached? And some of these lyrics are so

802
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: terrible to women. I'm like, at what point? And who

803
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: is responsible? And this is just an honest like friend

804
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: or you know you you you have responsibilities as a

805
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: philosopher and entrepreneur and a leader and being a vulnerable

806
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: man yourself, Like, who do you think is responsible? Is

807
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: it the art form, is it the male energy, or

808
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: is it us women?

809
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 2: Uh?

810
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's responsible, but I think everyone is accountable.

811
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: I hear the same music coming from females as well.

812
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: I agree.

813
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: I went into an ail salon, I saw nothing but

814
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: strippers all then.

815
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 3: I don't think there's a responsibility, but there's an accountability.

816
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: And uh, I think that's one of those things that

817
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 3: it's hard to ever be what you never see, right.

818
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 3: A lot of these men that make it in hip

819
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: hop and music, they haven't had great examples of leadership

820
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: or of men that have that in them to not

821
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: fall to desire, or that are disciplined or impeccable in

822
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: their soul or fulfilled to where they don't need to

823
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: seek or go get extra and the same with women.

824
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: So I think that's just we often act these artists

825
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: to build things that they don't have the tools to build, right. Yeah,

826
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: Like if you go look in their toolbox, it's it's

827
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: like you want to build a house with guys.

828
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: Feel like jay Z kind of touched on that in

829
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: I want to say four for four or one of

830
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: the hourists like where he was the first one to.

831
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: Be where we've seen that, Oh wow, you've upgraded your toolbox, right,

832
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: But a lot of artists don't have that. We're coming

833
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: out of environments that don't nurture that type of behavior

834
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 3: or system. Like when I was coming up, the older

835
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 3: men around me was like players too, Like, bro, what

836
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 3: you feel me? So you grow up embracing that and

837
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: wanting to be like that. That's what you replicate, That's

838
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: what you know. You don't see anyone I've I don't

839
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 3: think I've ever seen a man that was just so

840
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 3: in love and revere their family so much and treated

841
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 3: they women so well, like they meant the world to me.

842
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: For me to be like, man, that's what I want right.

843
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: Very seldom do you witness that and experience that. But

844
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: yet you expect someone to conduct themselves in that manner.

845
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: That's what's not gonna happen.

846
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: That's interesting. So when it comes to accountability in your

847
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: personal life, who holds you accountable? Is it? I don't

848
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: want to answer the questions.

849
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 3: Everyone around me in a sense holds me accountable in

850
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: some way, but ultimately me like I have to be.

851
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 3: I have to be the one that wants to get

852
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 3: up every day and put in work and be better

853
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: and want to drop my daughter off and pick her

854
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 3: up and do work and things like that. But everyone

855
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 3: around me, from myself, my mom, my dad, my daughter,

856
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 3: her mother, tieda Millie testing everyone are fani. Just all

857
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 3: of my friends hold me accountable in some aspect. They're

858
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: always in my you know, I can only stoop so

859
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: low sometimes before someone's like, hey, brouh, what we doing?

860
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: Oh? I like that? I like that? Okay? Is there

861
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: anything that your fans are me don't know about you?

862
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: I mean everything, I mean, I guess you only.

863
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: Know the music well because you kind of signed a

864
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: camera on your entrepreneurship. You also do all these little

865
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to say little, but these gems on

866
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Speaker 1: social media. So when I say is there anything we

867
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: don't know about you? I feel like you're it's like

868
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Speaker 1: you learn a lesson. You're like, let's put it out there.

869
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Speaker 1: You learn that lesson?

870
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Speaker 3: What about there really else today?

871
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: So I battle that.

872
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: I like, I don't know if I want to get personal, man, real.

873
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Speaker 3: No such thing. I've had the really reals, and I

874
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: shared there's no such thing. Because there's a billion people

875
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: in the world, and someone's been through exactly what you've

876
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: been through, and they may need your help, right, but

877
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: you're refusing to hell, you have all the tools and

878
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: all the means to help them, but you're refusing to

879
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: do it because of your own fear, right, And like,

880
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to deny nobody of that tool. Like

881
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: I want people to be able to grow. If that's

882
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: going to be through me just sharing what I felt

883
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 3: or experienced, that's an easy call.

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Speaker 2: Right do you do.

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00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: The The world is always a sensitive around this topic,

886
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go ahead and throw it out there.

887
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: But do you believe in therapy? Do you do therapy?

888
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: So I recently started therapy, probably a few months back,

889
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 3: and I had a few sessions and it's cool. I'm

890
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: not consistent with it because I don't feel like I'm

891
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: gaining much from it. But I also had like an

892
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: expectation of what I was supposed to get from it,

893
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: like I'm supposed to be here, like I have a

894
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: new sessions. It's like, man, I'm a gold new Man, right,

895
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: And that's not how it happens. And for me, I

896
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: just I just realized that it was work that I

897
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: need to do. Right. I don't need anyone's help to

898
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: be a better human. I just need to choose to

899
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 3: be a better human and commit to that. That's not

900
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Speaker 3: something I need to talk to someone about if you

901
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 3: want to, yes, But for me personally, it's like I

902
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 3: built an entire empire. I could definitely build myself as

903
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: a man, right. I don't need anyone's assistant to do that,

904
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: But I chose. I've chosen not to, right, I've chosen

905
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Speaker 3: not to allocate my energy towards that, which is the

906
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 3: only reason I haven't grown in any way that I

907
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Speaker 3: wish to.

908
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I recently full vulnerability here.

909
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: I recently did try therapy, and I kind of felt like,

910
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: oh man, this is gonna sound really shitty for all

911
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: those people that give.

912
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: It to them.

913
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: But I felt like, yeah, I wasn't getting the response

914
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: in that I needed, the in the record speed that

915
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: I needed and it was like I knew the answers,

916
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: but I just wasn't choosing to make the choice that

917
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: I needed to make. And in therapy it takes so

918
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: much uprooting of your childhood to get to the root

919
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: that I was like, yo, I'm not trying to relive

920
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: the thing that I ran from, like trying to give

921
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: me PTSD. Like, no, I'm good, but I do agree

922
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: with you, and I'm glad you were honest about that

923
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 1: because people say therapy therapy, therapy, and I actually thought

924
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: you weren't gonna say that you do therapy because I

925
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: low key feel like your vulnerability and your lyrics is

926
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: a form of therapy.

927
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Speaker 3: Definitely. Definitely, that's where I get to get all of

928
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: that from.

929
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: And someone gets you, man, And like, because I feel

930
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: like Drake, every time.

931
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: Writing and talking really helps and that's the thing about

932
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: the past, like you're saying, and that shows you how

933
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 3: much you're how deep your trauma is because you think

934
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: like speaking about it is reliving it. You can't relive

935
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 3: the past, right, it's already been lived, it's gone. It

936
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: only exists in your memory. You can't relive it. But

937
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: we when trauma hits in a certain way, it makes

938
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 3: you feel like you're going through that experience again, but

939
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: it's not, and you really have to work through that

940
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: to get You got to go through it to get

941
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: through it, right.

942
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or you can try.

943
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: I don't.

944
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: I tried my hardest to I believe. I tell myself this,

945
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: every storm. At the end of every storm is a rainbow.

946
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: So the faster I don't cope through it or the

947
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 1: more I do not cope and numb, the faster I

948
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 1: get through the storm. So like if I were to

949
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: numb something, drink, get high, have sex, or do whatever

950
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: it is, go go to the mall, look pretty, whatever

951
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I gotta do, go to the clubs. If I cope

952
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: through it, then it's gonna take me longer to heal.

953
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: So if I go through it and like blow up

954
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: my girlfriends, then to strangers and seven elevens. You know whatever,

955
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get through it faster, even though it's gonna hurt,

956
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, right.

957
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: So definitely, you definitely prolong the healing process as you

958
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: as you act right, every every twinkie you eat just

959
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: makes you closer to the opposite end of where you

960
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: want to be, right, like exactly, And that that's how

961
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: it is with everything. Every time you do another act

962
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: that goes against what you want to be, you're just

963
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 3: adding it. Because the thing with with how the human

964
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: system work is the more you do something, the better

965
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: you get at it, right, So the more you live found,

966
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 3: the better you get at it. Some people are phenomenal cheaters,

967
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 3: and it's because they do it a whole lot. Yeah, right,

968
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: So every time you do it, you're getting better at it,

969
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: which means it's going to take a lot.

970
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: Longer to get better.

971
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 3: And the other direction, because you're so exceptional at what

972
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: you do. If you lie a lot, you're exceptional, it's

973
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 3: gonna take you a lot to become someone who tells

974
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: the truth exceptionally.

975
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Speaker 2: Right.

976
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's deep, that's deep. But I think at

977
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, I mean I personally give

978
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: people a lot of grace. I'm one of those people

979
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: that you could literally push me off my seat and

980
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: be like, I was just angry my bagm. So I'd

981
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: be like, no, it's okay. But now I'm at the

982
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: place where it's like I get it, you're anger. I

983
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: just don't want to sit next to you anymore. Like

984
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: take your anger out on the flowers over there, you know.

985
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: But it's a pleasure to have you. I know, we

986
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: kind of we're all over this space. I really would

987
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: like to go to your show tonight. I know, yes,

988
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: I do have some plans, but I'm a pivot and

989
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: and I'm a mother now, so trust me, everything is

990
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: like a babysitter, babysitter, nanny, babysitter is like any amount

991
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: of freedom cost.

992
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 3: You have to come. This is going to be special.

993
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna come. I am a true fan. I

994
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: have so much admir generation for the way you run

995
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: your businesses, how everyone gets a buy and how everyone

996
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: gets an option to invest in how you partner and

997
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: do this restaurant where it's like pay what you what

998
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: you want, which is brilliant, and it's just something that

999
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: a lot of artists aren't doing right, you know, and

1000
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: I love the vulnerability and your lyrics. So I'm truly

1001
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: thankful that we finally got you on the show. Thank

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00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: you all listeners for checking out another episode of Eating

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Speaker 1: While Broke. I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we

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Speaker 1: have Larussell in the building. Where can they find your

1005
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: Like your Instagram handle? What's your Instagram?

1006
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm at l Russell on everything.

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Speaker 1: L A.

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Speaker 2: R us has EOL.

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Speaker 3: You can find me on social media on DSPs. At

1010
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 3: home in Valleo, walking around.

1011
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: So oh, you stay in the bay.

1012
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: I stay home. I live where I'm from and I'm

1013
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 3: there every day. I'm taking my daughter to school, I'm

1014
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: picking it up momos, checking it on people. I'm around.

1015
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm at home.

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Speaker 1: They when they told me that I got you, it

1017
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: was like I had like two days to notice, like

1018
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Speaker 1: you know or whatever. And I was like negotiating with

1019
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: the team everyone's schedule. There's like four people that have

1020
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: to all align schedules, and there was a hiccup and

1021
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm like going back and forth, like yo, do you

1022
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: think we can push back? And We're all like no,

1023
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. And we got an hour let's

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00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: take it. But thank you and thanks for feeding me.

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Speaker 1: You and I both agree, you know, moving forward, we

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00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: could do eggs, but maybe on a dinner garlic bread.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, beautiful.

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Speaker 1: For more eating while broke from iHeartRadio and The Black Effect,

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Speaker 1: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen

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Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.