WEBVTT - Start Believin’ w/ Ryan Murphy (pt2) 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.360 And that's what you really missed with Jenna and Kevin 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:09.159 and I Heart Radio podcast and welcome back to and 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.280 that's what you really missed Part two with the one 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:15.560 and only Ryan Murphy. We know we left you on 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.200 a cliffhanger last week when Bryan dropped that little nugget 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.880 that when they created Will Schuster, they apparently were interested 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.479 in Justin timber Like playing the part. So why don't 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.200 we we gotta go back. We gotta go back and 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.680 check check out what he's deep on that one. I 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.199 don't even think justin Timberloke knows this, but there was 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:38.000 like a one week window and talking to his people 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.760 where I thought maybe he was interested, but maybe that 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.640 meant we interested in having a script dropped off at 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:48.519 his front door. I don't remember. I wasn't as fastile 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.960 at the Star casting back then, but that was our 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.600 idea for Mr Shoe was justin Timberlike. And then it 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.960 was very quickly like um yeah, just in his book 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.360 for tours through Ton threeteen or something. It's like okay, no, 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:04.400 justin Timberlake. So when that happened, I was like, well, 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:11.120 let's just let's just find everyone and the only person 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.120 that we just straight out offered it to. Was We 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.119 kept talking about a Jane Lynch type of Jane Lynch type, 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.440 and finally I was like, let's just offer it to Jane. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:24.600 She's probably gonna say no, um, but to my shock 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.080 and thrill, she said yes instantly. So she was the 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.400 only real name. And then we just had this magical 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:37.880 period where for six months we we um went all 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.800 around the country and anybody who wanted to audition could 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:44.840 send in tapes, and we looked at everybody and everybody 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:48.200 and everything, and you know, and then had narrowed it 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:52.000 down to for each of the parts, three roles. And 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.440 then we brought all of those actors, and I believe 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.400 there were fifty actors in total were brought to l A. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.080 And you guys remember walking into these hideous, fluorescently lit 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:07.040 rooms with like all of these people that you staring 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.480 at you with notepads with pins ready to judge. It was. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:16.080 It was the most like cliche we're gonna get suits. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.400 It was. They were actually all in black suits, sitting 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.320 in this teared room staring at you with no expression. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.520 And I had no power back then, like I was, 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:29.240 I I really was just like a voice in the Wilderness. 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:32.960 But there was a moment in the casting of that 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:39.440 show where I kind of would be the first person 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.320 to speak. I would make sure like I would would 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:44.800 talk first, and in both of your cases, I was 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.240 I remember saying, it's Jenna, or I don't want to 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.000 do it, it's Kevin, it's Kevin, or I can't go on. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:53.720 I would say something like that, because what are they 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.160 going to say? Um? And you know, there were other 0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:59.840 people who were considered for for your parts, and I 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:01.760 don't really like to talk about that, but many of 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:05.760 them I've worked with. You know. The weird thing about 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.120 it is like you meet the people when you get 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.840 to that far in a casting process. People don't know, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.560 like you meet the person that you're up again, you're 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:20.079 sitting in the room with you're against yourself, Like, yes, 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:22.520 that was written for him based on his he did 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:27.520 a tremendous audition. Yeah, I mean it was interesting, Like 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:32.440 I do remember that I would be not telling the 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.600 truth if I didn't tell you, Like, you know, when 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:38.080 I was working with Johnny Groth and Pretty Handsome, that's 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:41.080 when I first met Leah and so Jonathan and I 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:46.840 were filming Pretty Handsome and Leah came out to visit Jonathan, 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.400 and you know, that was also a period in time 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.880 where the ideal look were people who are on like, 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.440 you know, quote unquote, look, we're on c W shows totally, 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.440 And I remember Leah saying like, oh my god, I 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.360 can't even get an audition on a goddamn c W show, 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.720 Like it's really gonna be hard for me, because you know, 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.640 so I remember thinking like, oh, she'd be a really 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.000 good Rachel and I in the writing. I think we 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.279 would all start to I don't think Brad and Ian 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.960 new Lea then, but I would kind of right in 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.360 things Lee and I had spoken about. So she kind 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.480 of always was the front writer for that part. Like 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:34.400 you know, I do remember her auditioning and me sneaking 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.920 her sides I think really early, so she was very 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.600 familiar with what she was doing and Kevin Riley saying, well, 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.920 thank god we've found that actress because it almost looks 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.560 like it was written for her, and I was like, 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.000 kind of was, but it was. It was, Um, it 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.599 was really really really fun to do the casting of 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:57.560 that part and for all of your parts, and um, 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.039 and I was directing it too, so I kind of 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.599 was thinking like, well, you know, and I had worked 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:09.240 with Amber. Amber was um little baby Amber came in, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.000 was on my delta, broke failed pilot another thing. And 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.120 I always say that from every tragedy comes re birth. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.960 But I never forgot Amber and how great she was. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:23.400 And I think we kind of thought of Mercedes for Amber, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:26.800 to be quite honest, but um, there were other contenders, 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.680 but just you know. But it was also like one 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:30.359 of those things that once you guys got into the 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.960 room and read and you don't know this as actors 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:36.240 because again, no one ever tells you and sit you 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:37.880 down and looks you in the eye and said, you 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:42.680 know what, you were phenomenal. That was the best moment 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.039 I think in many of your auditioning lives, because you 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.560 just walked in and and you nailed it. And also 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.880 even if you didn't kind of get some things right, 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.039 it was sort of like, well, that's the person I 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.520 want to hang out with. That's the essence of that character. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.480 The spirit of who you all were as young people 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.120 was the thing that I'm like, well, I want to 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.360 I want to showcase that. I want to showcase and 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.920 of course you know the great Irony Kevin is you 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.000 were the big dancer and the cast and we put 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:16.719 you in a wheelchair. So well, the show was made today. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.960 You couldn't cast me anyway, No, we couldn't. And that's 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:21.839 another interesting thing to think about, and that I talked about, 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.960 like that would not have happened. There were many things 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.039 that would not have happened, but um, it was. It 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:34.320 was a really magical, protected experience that was about um 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.440 talent and the love of talent and the love of 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.440 actors and wow. And also like you guys had to 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.239 read two scenes and sing a song as I recall, 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:46.279 and Kevin, I recall that your song was let it 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.160 be am I wrong, And so you and I used 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:51.720 to have that joke, right, just be like Kevin, just 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:53.560 let it be bad. You just walk up out of 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:58.320 nowhere and I'd like this, let it be Kevin, But 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.719 you were just so But also what so cute is 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.600 everybody was really nervous and it was hard. And what 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.400 was it like when you guys got the call? Who 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.480 called you? Guys? Did I call? You know? It was 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:14.520 my age, my manager? Yeah, Oh that's right. I wasn't 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.920 allowed to because that was corporate policy where the casting 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.200 person had to call the agent, Yeah, because you remember 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.160 you came in. Are you going to tell yeah, well 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.240 you came in, so I had already been in two 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.240 days before. For it was the network. What was first 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.480 studio network studio was first network, so I had a 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.080 studio and then by network, you had flown all the 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:37.440 people in from New York that we were testing with 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.920 or against. And then that's when Jenna was there, had 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:42.720 already met Chris, and you stuck your head in the 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.680 room and I had never tested for anything, and I 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.680 was shocked. I had made it to the fourth audition. 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:53.520 And I have terrible nerves, especially one auditioning, and you 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.120 stuck your head in the room and you go hi. Everyone, 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:00.280 You're like hi, and you're like a nervous, dumping nervous 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.200 and you are and I remember you shut the door 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.840 and you it was sort of like popping an inflated 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:09.680 balloon because you released like the tension and we all 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.920 start of laughing like he's nervous, Like are you kidding me? 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.400 Like we have no his show is getting made, but 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:17.120 it was I was like, that's very so nice of 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:20.520 him to come in here and acknowledge that, like they 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.280 also have to pick someone and they're also nervous about 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.960 finding the right people. It's like, all right, we have 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.880 here everyone, like just id I kind of instinctively knew, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:34.720 like maybe in the back of my lizard brain, like 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:38.760 this was my chance. This this show was my shot. 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:43.120 And I've never prepared or worked harder than anything. And 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:48.000 then in the preparation of directing that pilot, like pilots phenomenal. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.720 I watched it yesterday. It is hold up, It's very 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.400 good from every detail. It's like, you're just so it 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:00.640 worked hard. Thank you. I mean I I of making it, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.199 and it was like it was such a wonderful experience. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.360 We made it in the fall, it was beautiful weather, 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.760 I think, you know, I remember shooting on Halloween, right 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.880 around Matt Morrison's birthday. That was the day that was 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:20.320 the end, and it was just so fun. I remember, 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.480 and I was, you know, it was in my head. 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:29.040 And nobody had ever directed in our world or made 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:35.840 a musical. So the you know, the the Andrew Mitchell 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.520 and I um and Chris Baffa who was doing the 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:40.640 who was our DP? Like we were trying to figure 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:43.559 out how do you what is the language of making 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.280 a musical? And like we kind of were I had 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.240 a very strong sense of what I wanted to do, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:52.040 but it was just joy. It was really fun. And 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.760 and then Jenny, you had asked me about the casting 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.560 of the other the other Yes, you know, the guest 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.560 star cast. Like, I'm trying to even think how that 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:04.360 star did. Um. Who was our first celebrity, Kristen Channa 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:09.600 with that was written for her? Um. I loved her. Um, 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:13.320 I mean everybody from like Stay Moos you know who 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.640 we loved too, I mean Gwyn. I mean I would 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:19.400 imagine that a lot of people were like, hey, like 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.800 by the time the show had kind of taken off, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:26.360 people were like, Ryan, please put me in this show. Yeah. Yeah, 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.120 I got a lot of phone calls and um, you know, 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.280 oh this is another hot piece of dish. I've never 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.480 talked about this. Okay, So do you remember that the 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:41.440 role that Eve played love Eve almost Whitney Houston had 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:46.120 agreed to play that part. Um, so you've given you 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.760 some Justin Timberlake tea. Again. I don't know if Justin 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.319 Timberloke ever knew about that, but I thought, but Whitney Houston, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:55.760 that actually made it pretty far down the line. And 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.040 I had a phone call with Whitney about that part. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:05.000 You to Whitney about it, Yes, oh my god, and 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:10.680 that's what well? That lovely and charming and sweet. And 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.760 I don't I don't think she was in the right 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.320 place and time to do it as all I'll say. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.959 But I remember even with her her agent at the time, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.839 like she just loved that it was about kids in 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.760 choir and she was like, this is phenomenal, like that 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.120 you're doing a show about show choirs and you know, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.040 she was in a choir. Whitney, and I just said, 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:35.040 I think you as a teacher would be a great 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.360 kind of thing for you to play and she said, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:43.040 I agree, um, and yeah, and then we talked about 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.480 I don't know, it was just but she she didn't 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.080 end up doing it, and Eve was phenomenal. But I 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:53.200 think that Eve was fierce. But I think at the 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:58.320 moment that I got close to Whitney Houston, I was like, well, 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:00.559 there's other there's people that we can put in here. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.160 And then you know, um, I spent years trying to 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:06.439 write a role for Jennifer Lopez, who's a friend. I 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.520 could never figure out the right part, and her schedule 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.439 was and Anne Hathaway, like there were always people who 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.160 wanted to do it, but we can never figure out 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.080 the timing that I called the one that got away. 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:20.560 But they were lovely and great after love, like I 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.319 just wanted to be on it and I was like, please, 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.240 can you please of them? But every everybody, like there 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.400 was a moment in time where because people wanted to 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:31.599 come and show off, like normally you see actors and 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:37.480 they're just acting and they're like, I mean, like all 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:40.560 of them, they're incredible. Yes. And I would also like 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.800 to speaking of Sarah Jessica, do you know that I've 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:47.840 gotten death threats about the Turkey Lurkey number. I would 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.240 just like to say that I don't care and I 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.200 love that. I love let's have a Kiki Turkey Lurkey 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.560 one of my faiths, and I did not deserve the 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:59.160 death threats. I had a friend last night randomly text 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.560 me about that number in particular and said, do you 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.080 remember this number? And I was like yes, He's like 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.600 I was walking my son with with my husband and 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.559 I thought it was a dream I had and when 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.439 I played it for my toddler and he was like, huh, 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.520 I stand by it. But the but the But the 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:24.200 thing about that was, you know, again, it was it 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.280 was a moment in time where you could turn on 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.360 television and there was Adele on Entertainment at night talking 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.000 about the Glee episode like it was just something that 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.840 people loved and wanted to be a part of it 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.640 and UM wanted to like I can sing, We all 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.800 like it was. It was fun. Sometimes I would do it. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:45.160 Sometimes I would search for um, you know what I like. 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:48.680 With Anne, I could never the timing was off, and 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.640 with Jennifer, we can never find the right part. But 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.400 it was always but it meant a lot that people 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:55.360 at that level would reach out and say, we see 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.400 what you're doing, and we love what it's about, and 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.400 it's cool and god, you know what, I wouldn't have 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.400 killed to have been a kid and been able to 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.559 see something like that on the air. That was always 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.640 the running thing, like I wish this had been on 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:08.400 the air when I was a kid. And I felt 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.480 that too, and that was the reason why, you know, 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.400 But for a while there, I did have a really 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.360 lucky Golden Rolodex. I really did, and it was it 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.720 was fun special for us too. We got to meet 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.200 all these really awesome people who came in and were like, 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.640 I'm a fan of you, and you're like, wait, is 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.880 that you're a fan of the show first, but like also, 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:35.320 and I got to have moments that remained with me, like, um, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.920 when I was growing up, one of my idols was 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:41.000 Carol Burnette and that show aired at ten o'clock and 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.360 my father used to get so mad that I would 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.000 sneak out of bed and watch it. And I get 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.920 to have a moment with Carol Burnett on the set 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.880 of Glee where I got to hold her hand and say, 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:58.360 when I was a child, I felt completely like an 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:02.360 alien and you made me laugh and I recognized in 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.880 you some energy that I wanted to have. And then 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.000 of course I broke down and she rubbed my back. 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.760 But I got to have moments like that with people 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.880 that I grew up loving, and I got to say, like, 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:17.240 you know, Burt back Rack, like I got to say 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:21.480 thank you. You meant something to me. You influenced my 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:23.680 life in other people's lives. And you know the moving 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:29.720 thing about that is nine out of ten times those 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.320 icons would say wow, Really they have no idea how 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:36.280 people feel about them, because people are too exhy in 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:41.560 expressing love and expressing you meant this to me, you know, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.000 So I got to have those moments as I'm sure 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.400 you guys did, you know, so many of them with 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.040 so many great icons. You know, Stevie was one, and 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:54.560 that started up relationship with me and her and that 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.600 continues to this day, which is it was. I was 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.760 lucky and I'm very humbled by it. And I think now, 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.720 like what if if Glee were on the air, Like 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.320 who do you who would you guys like to put 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:13.880 on that you have a bucket list? Well? Beyonce? Yes, obviously, 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:15.560 I know you guys were always mad that I never 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.880 did a Beyonce tribute episode. I feel like I feel 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.080 like Lizzo would have been like the newer um like 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.840 also would have done as right, would be great to 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.720 get start. Oh yes, she would be good, you know. 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.320 Like my only regret the I only have one regret musically, 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:40.640 which I I wish she probably wouldn't have done it then, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.040 but like I really wanted to do a Taylor Swift 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:48.560 tribute episode. Um, we kind of tried a little bit. 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:50.880 We certainly did Taylor songs, but I think she's so 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.200 amazing and those songs would have worked so well on Glee, 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.480 Taylor Swift was kind of the one that got away back. God, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.720 there's so many Beyonce we should have. I wish we 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:02.920 could figure it out. But fiance it's hard though, Like 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:04.720 that was like doing the Micael episode where it's like, 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.800 who can sing all these songs? Michael episode, which almost 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:12.720 killed us, that's what That's what tore us apart. That 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.840 was the worst shoot of all time because it was 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.639 so long, it was so hard. Oh God, I just 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.520 remember that. I was so paranoid about like because I 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:24.879 was obsessed with Michael and you were like, Okay, you 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.320 can come in and pitch us songs. Yeah, tell me 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.919 what you want. Right. He was like, what Michael was 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.360 my breaking point? I wasn't in the Michael episode. That's right, 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:38.359 you got fired. I got fired for an episode. Really, 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.760 I didn't get fired for an episode. I was. I 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:45.479 was told to go take a vacation. It was and honestly, 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.280 we've never talked about this, but it was like my 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:50.320 mental it was like my mental health episode. Was that 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.760 right after you did the video with Gaga? I think 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.600 when was that? It was right around that time, Kevin. Yes, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.920 that's right, that's right. When called you Ryan to ask 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.040 Jenna could do the video. Yes, when Gag got called 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.080 and said, Hi, you need to release Jenna for three 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.440 weeks something like that, and like, I'll do anything you say. 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.960 It was like two nights got me out. But yeah, 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:16.560 there was nothing. But yeah, you know what, I think that, Yeah, 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.080 you look back on those moments, right that we all had, 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:24.120 and they seemed so overblown, and Michael was a big one, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.280 you know. And of course, now, Jennet, if you had said, 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.680 you know what, I'm a young person who is not 0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:35.560 loving or adjusting well to the schedule, to the limelight, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.000 to trying to figure out who I am as a person. 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:42.080 I need a minute, that would have been it would 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.280 have been like, you know what, Jenna, here is two 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.320 tickets to Hawaii, paid for by the corporation, and please 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:50.399 do it. But back then there was no language or 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.959 so it was like just it was just um, you know, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.560 keep it down, keep it down, keep it down. And 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.040 then you explode and everybody says, what's wrong with you? 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.040 Know what? What's going on? And as like your roommate 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.800 at the time, I think I also didn't even recognize 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.919 what was going on because I was still tired and 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.080 just going to work, and like, to me, it was 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:13.639 surprising too because you just didn't know to look for 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:15.439 these things like, oh, we're all doing the same thing. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.920 We're fine. If I'm fine, she's fine. Well, And then 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.000 like you have like these crazy episodes with these massive 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:24.080 things that every the press is talking about, and you 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.840 know you're going all of these like social pressures are 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:31.280 now like pushing down on you externally that you're like 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.320 you don't even have the time or energy to actually 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.960 looking inward and say like I need a second, right, 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.320 it's just you act out or you act or you 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.080 explode or whatever it is, and you know your an 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.440 emotional meth and you don't know how to quite regulate 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.639 what you're feeling or you know, tell anybody what's going on. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:51.800 And I think the other thing at the time was 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:53.480 there was just like I said, of it, there was 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:57.280 no there was no corporate language like you are an 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.880 employee and you signed a contract and we're shooting, and 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:02.679 what do you mean you don't feel like going in, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.600 which is going to require rewrite. But it was just 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.680 a different time and I don't think that any anybody 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.680 knew the vernacular about But I'm glad that you got 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:16.240 that time and I don't you know, it's all a blur, 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.080 like I just remember, like what do you I don't 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:21.320 really want to do a super Bowl episode. I really 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.000 don't want to because it's like, why are people who 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:26.760 people who watched the Super Bowl are not going to 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:29.199 watch Glee and we're just going to get attacked and 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.320 picked on. And it took a month, and it took 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.160 a month to shoot that episode. It did and there 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:37.480 was great things that came out of it, like there 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.080 was there and there are moments that remain indelible. But 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.679 it was a lot of pressure and um that's when 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.440 I had bron critis and the flu. Well, we kept 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.760 getting canceled. The night shoots um to for Thriller kept 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.600 getting canceled because everybody kept getting strapped or passing it 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.679 around and we have to cancel the night shoot if 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:59.720 somebody couldn't show up. Yeah, they were in the Michael 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.919 Jack in the State was very very particular about you 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:05.600 know how we were going to you know, when I 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.359 suggested we were going to mash up Thriller with heads 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:13.639 Will Roll, it was it was hours of of conversations 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.480 and they didn't like it was just a lot, and 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.320 I do really think that that probably was the apex 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:20.119 that we were all like, you know what, this has 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:24.680 got to calm down now because this this cannot sustain physically, 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.360 this is too much. And was that season three? Yes, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:33.560 to Michael Jackson, I don't think was too Jackson was three. 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:37.000 But super Bowl is too super bowls Okay wait what 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.400 was our super Bowl episode? So that? Okay, right, Okay, 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.240 that's why I'm confused. So it's a blur. Yeah, yeah, 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.360 twenty two episodes, like it's it all is just a blur, 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.800 But it was. It was at that end of season two. 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.240 I'll never forget it. It was at the end of 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.600 season one. It was like, yeah, we get to go 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.000 on a tour to a mall. What do you the 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:02.439 radio city? Yay, oh my god, look there's a T shirt. 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:06.359 And then at the end of season two, what we 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:08.719 don't want to do that? We didn't We call you 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:11.800 into like a rehearsal room to have a talk with you, 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:14.680