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Speaker 1: that when they created Will Schuster, they apparently were interested

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429
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: between wrapping the season before we went to Veggas to start.

430
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: How are those three days? Because I didn't have three

431
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: days off? Did you enjoy them? Episodes? Kevin, we slept.

432
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: I was the one that enjoyed the tour of the most.

433
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: I had a great time. It was all dream true.

434
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. We got to London and the girls disappeared.

435
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,719
Speaker 1: They all just fell off the face that they were

436
00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: crying in their room and why were you crying? Like

437
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: everybody wanted to go home and see there. We had

438
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: sold out seven shows in a row at the O

439
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,679
Speaker 1: two in London and walking up to the stage like

440
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: take our places for the first show, I had my

441
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: arm around Leah. I'm like, Leah, isn't this amazing. We're

442
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: at the most famous arena in the entire world and

443
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: we're going to do seven sol And I was genuine

444
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: like that was my dream and she was like, I

445
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: just want to see my family. Okay, okay, you know,

446
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: youth has wasted on the young. It's very true. But

447
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: when I understood it, I understand like that people didn't

448
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: have the same dreams I had, Like I wanted to

449
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: be a music pop star, and this was the only

450
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: way I was going to get to be able to

451
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: do it. Ryan, you said you wanted to be editor

452
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: in chief of Vogue growing up. But like you, your

453
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: fashions have always been very um iconic, if you will

454
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: um talk about like your your love for costumes and

455
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: the details of like all of that going into the

456
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: pilot and the show because it was so specific and

457
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: it was also so telling of our characters. That's it. Yeah,

458
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,679
Speaker 1: I was just talking to somebody about that. You know.

459
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: The thing, the thing that I loved the most in

460
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: my life is creating a world and then entering into it.

461
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 1: And that was always evidenced by my childhood. You know.

462
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: I grew up in Indiana. Literally in the backyard was

463
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: a cornfield in a church, and I would be reading

464
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: articles in the local paper, the Liz Smith column about

465
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: Studio fifty four, and I couldn't go there. So I

466
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: turned my bedroom into Studio fifty four. I found reference photos,

467
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: and I made a disco ball, and I made my

468
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: room look like like I made my room look like

469
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: Studio fifty four. Then, for example, when Grace Kelly died,

470
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: I took a photograph of Grace Kelly to the local

471
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: hardware store and said, see the color of her eyes.

472
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: I want to paint my room the color of Grace

473
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,239
Speaker 1: Kelly's eyes. Can you make me this color? And they

474
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: were like what, but they did. So I always did

475
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: that and that was a way to escape my pain.

476
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: I think, you know, a tortured, picked on, little gay kid.

477
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: So once I started to do things in Hollywood, and

478
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: I started off writing movies and none of them got made.

479
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: And then I did a television show and I instantly

480
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: loved it because I'm like, oh, I can make a world.

481
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: I can create something that is in my head and

482
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: other people can kind of have a porthold so to

483
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: do it. So everything that I do, um, you know.

484
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time um on the costumes,

485
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: on the sets, on the colors. And when I was

486
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: doing Glees specifically, I thought it had to be so

487
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: bright and poppy and inviting, from the sets, to the

488
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: costumes to the way it was lit. Because maybe people

489
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't hang around in a musical number, but they would

490
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: if it was like a candy box, so I was.

491
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: It was always that level of detail. And you know,

492
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: I do have really bad O c D. I've been

493
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: treated for it. I've been on medication for it, and

494
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: it does not go away no matter what I do.

495
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: It becomes less as I get older, but it becomes

496
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: a way to put my anxiety. So I one of

497
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: the things about my life that I love is is

498
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: that I will stay up until two in the morning

499
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: researching and referencing different patterns and colors. Like I'm working

500
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: on a thing right now about Truman Capodi and I'm

501
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: doing that, Like so it's like, well, I want to

502
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: go to Lacote bass v, a famous restaurant in New York,

503
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: So let me fall into that wormhole. I've loved that

504
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: part of my life, but that's also been a torment

505
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: for me because anybody who has O c D knows

506
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: that it's very difficult. And but it was I think

507
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: that looking back on it, it's all been a place

508
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: to put my anxieties, but more than that, my hopes

509
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: and optimism. But I love that, and I spent a

510
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: lot of time on all of it. Like just I

511
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: remember painting the lockers in those hallways of Glee, the

512
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: hours of research about the exact right shade. Of course,

513
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: I can't remember what Michael Jackson episode it was, so

514
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: that's growing old. But um, I did spend a lot

515
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: of time and energy on and I spent a lot

516
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: of time and energy on the the the costumes that

517
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: you guys wore, and that that began the phase of

518
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: my career that I call my funko pop doll phase,

519
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: where if you're going to have a character, you have

520
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: to instantly think about how do I make that character

521
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: a doll so that it's instantly iconic and has its

522
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: own iconography. So you know, Tina had her own likes

523
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 1: and dislikes, already had his own, well, he would never

524
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: wear that. Like, it's just things that I instantly just

525
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: I had mood boards and all of those things. And

526
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: I do think that that was a way in from

527
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: many people. The clothes sets, the it just was kind

528
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: of a delicious um world, the Glee world. It wasn't

529
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: the real world. And I always say, like, I don't

530
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: want to live in the world the real world. I

531
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: want to live in my world and I get to

532
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: create my World's how lucky am I am? I to

533
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: do that, Like, I have very specific rules when I

534
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: create things. You know, I just did this show about

535
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Dahmer that's very popular and people are kind of

536
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: obsessed with why so much yellow? What's up with the yellow?

537
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: And when I made that show, it was based on

538
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I saw one picture of of a hallway and Jeffrey

539
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: Dahmer's a apartment that had this very weird fluorescent lighting.

540
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: And I kept trying to figure out where is that

541
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: color from? And I finally found that color and it

542
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: was in a urinal cake, the exact same shape of yellow.

543
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: So I kept holding up this thing saying this is

544
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: the color, and everything then bounced off that like how

545
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: lit it the clothes? What does that mean? It's just

546
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: a concept, and so I'm very um those those kind

547
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: of things matter to me, and I'm always know before

548
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: I sell any show, I have learned, like there's so

549
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: much stuff that you kind of have to design the poster,

550
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: and you have to design the typography on the poster.

551
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: You kind of have to have a concept before you

552
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: make something, because that's you have to or else you're

553
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna get lost. So all those things I spent a

554
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: lot of time on, but thank you for noticing that.

555
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I never get to talk about these sort

556
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: of weird things, but it is the two am decisions,

557
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean I think being on sort

558
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: of like the receiving end of some of those things

559
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: where anytime we'd go in with Lou who did the

560
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: costumes and an incredible team that everything was so specific

561
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: where she knew the rules, like if you set up

562
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: the rules of like this is she she got it,

563
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: she speaks the same language. Yeah. Yeah, it's about having her,

564
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: who's an expert completely just play within that with each

565
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, there's I think that, Like, I think

566
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: people want rules and boundaries, both his viewers and his

567
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: department hasn't even as actors like okay, well this is

568
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: the box that I get to be in. Great Like

569
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: there's there's a discipline to it, you know. And I

570
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,239
Speaker 1: don't know how you guys felt, but I think as

571
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: soon as I saw you in those costumes, I was like, well,

572
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: there you go, there's your character. You knew what to do.

573
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: It influenced everything. Well, there wasn't and there wasn't a

574
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: lot about like Tina in the pilot, right, like even

575
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: in my audition, you were like, can you improval at all?

576
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: Can you just tell me who she? And I had

577
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: done work on the plane to l a of like

578
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: figuring out who she was. So I walked in and

579
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: thin a very specific um idea of who you know

580
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: and her intent. But like with the costumes, my first fitting,

581
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: I looked like Artie and I had mom jeans and

582
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: these very like right, I remember those pictures letters And

583
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: Luke called me and she said, so we're taking a turn,

584
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: I hope, and Ryan thinks you look too much like Artie.

585
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: Let's let's switch it up. And I come in and

586
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: I see all this chains and black and I was

587
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: vampire music. I mean I was game, but like walking

588
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: stepping into those outfits, I was like, oh, this is

589
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: this is who she is. This makes sense to me now.

590
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: And then my audition song changed right away, and like

591
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: everything just kind of like clicked, you know, and and

592
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: that you know it was it started with the costume,

593
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, because we I just remember thinking Ian

594
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: was always obsessed with Tina's stutter and the pilot and

595
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: like idea, and I was like, what is that about?

596
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: Like is that even real? I mean could we even

597
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: do that today? Could you could we even have done

598
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: in that this day and age, could we have a character?

599
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, but it just became

600
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: sort of a like I always imagined her as someone

601
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: who was shy and yet also secretly tough and had

602
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: an armor, which is where that look came from. And

603
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: once Lou and I I remember saying like, also, I

604
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 1: think Jenna would look really good and a lot of purple,

605
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: and and that became a thing, and then like we

606
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: just built it and became ye yeah, and then you know,

607
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: you watch that pilot and you're like, well, these are

608
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: all funko dolls, like they just are like they're all

609
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: every one of you, everybody from Jane and with the

610
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: track suits, yeah who I mean, that was your idea

611
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: of the track se and that was was it the

612
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: plan to always have her in track suits always? Like

613
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, some things were like you figure out when

614
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: you're building something, like all the inspiration doesn't come at once,

615
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: and sometimes you need to put something next to something

616
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: to make a decision. But I just remember thinking that

617
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: Sue Sylvester would never would always be ready to jog

618
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: and ready for like so um yeah, and I really

619
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: I and I remember talking to Jane and the making

620
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: of the pilot, and I'm like, I think this is

621
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: kind of the best role ever because you're always going

622
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: to be comfortable. You're always just going to be in

623
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: like a track cozy track suit. And she was like,

624
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: please layers of sweaters. I know you suffered butts. And

625
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: also you had a lot of like there was a

626
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: lot of b York and and and Tina, Like that

627
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: was another influence. Like that was a thing like we

628
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: couldn't find her. We were like, we want to do them.

629
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: I follow we can't find York, New York had fallen

630
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: off the face of the earth. Gladly we found her. Um, yeah,

631
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's a toyous process. And also

632
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: it's really fun, you know when you guys were all

633
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: playing misfits. So the idea that I always had is

634
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: this is a group of people who were literally the

635
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 1: Island of Lost Toys. And when I was a child,

636
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: that Christmas musical that had the where the Island of

637
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: Lost Toys number, I was like, I should be on

638
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: that island, and I related, and I remember all of

639
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: their outfits were so singular in their looks, and I'm like,

640
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to be something else, other like remember

641
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: the doll with the jelly thing, was that it was

642
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: all these weird things that I and I never wanted

643
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: them to change. I wanted them to keep their misfit

644
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: chet because I thought it was so great. Don't be

645
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: something else. But it's kind of fun how we are

646
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: able to do that in this business. Well, and also

647
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: the tidbit I'm sorry, Kevin, the weird thing talking about

648
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: this morning, Like that iconic scene in the pilot of

649
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: being you know, being a part of something special makes

650
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: you special. That was shot in a different costume for Rachel, right,

651
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: and you are like, he's not working, can't we can't

652
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: have it like that? No, because she looked like, um,

653
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: a flamingo dancer. Like it was just like this weird costume.

654
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: And then we looked at it like, okay, well this

655
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: is the most this is the thesis statement of the show.

656
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: And she's not relatable at all. It's like people, she

657
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: looks like Lola Flana, so we we we shot it.

658
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: And you know that was also things like that I I, um,

659
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know, you know, I didn't have kids then.

660
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: So a lot of those, a lot of those that

661
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: moment came from Dana Walden and Jennifer Sulky seeing the

662
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: rushes and saying like no, and also like what I

663
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: had originally planned for Don't Stop Believing was completely out

664
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: to Mars, and it was. It was those two women

665
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: who said they should just be real people, simple girls

666
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: and boys who were wearing like clothes from the gap relatable.

667
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: That's their version of a uniform. And I was like, oh, yeah, right,

668
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: let's do that. So it was a very fluid process, um,

669
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: the making of that pilot and little things that we

670
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: would shoot and then throw away and then re shoot,

671
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes I would sneak on the lot and do

672
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: them without permission, which I would pay for later. But um,

673
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: I just it was always a living, breathing organism until

674
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I just kept working on it. I

675
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: was obsessed with that. Yeah, I mean even if something

676
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: is simple like you watch Don't Stop Now and it

677
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: seems so simple, like we rehearse that for weeks and

678
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: I filled in for Corey because Corey didn't have a

679
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: work Pieza yet. There were like five different versions of

680
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: that number that remember, you could like Ryan would come in,

681
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: you come in and be like I want something twilight

682
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: arms up, I want lots of arms up. Yeah, I

683
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: mean the thing. I did have a vision, but I

684
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: also didn't my vision was yes or no, So like

685
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: I remember you guys, I do remember. We worked on

686
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: it a lot, and I also knew you know. Also,

687
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: I will tell you no one wanted to do Don't

688
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: Stop Believing Brad in the studio. No one wanted to

689
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: do it because it had just been done on The Sopranos,

690
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: and I kept saying, I don't care. I just know

691
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: it's this song because it meant something to me as

692
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: a kid, and just the phrase don't stop believing um.

693
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: And also when I was working on it, more important

694
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: than the number was the look on Mr. Shoes face

695
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: watching it, remembering his own dreams. And I remember we

696
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: did one take and Matt just kind of started to

697
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: cry and then like that's it. That's what I wanted,

698
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: and he was like, no, no, that was a mistake.

699
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's what I wanted. Like that

700
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: idea of looking back at your life and thinking I

701
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: wish I had done something differently and move towards the

702
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: person that I was afraid to be. That's what that

703
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: song was for. Me. So in terms of seeing it,

704
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: it was you know that that Mike Nichols quote of

705
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: this is, you know the elephant dancing on the head

706
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: of a pin. That was what that number was. And

707
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: if it didn't if that number wasn't working and didn't

708
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: make you cry, I'll probably cry talking about it, like

709
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work. So there was the big exuberant

710
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: don't stop believing, and then there was the middle of

711
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: the road one, and then there was the one where

712
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: I think it was like you know, movement shots where

713
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: it was like blue man, I don't know what you

714
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: were doing, and I just remember, we have to distill

715
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: this down to make it feel like relatable kids who

716
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing, but it's kind of good

717
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: and it's just like this, you know. I remember, I

718
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: remember the moments and shooting that number where something would

719
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: matter to me more than other things. I wasn't so

720
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: much interested in some of the steps as I was

721
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: was was interested in Jenna, like how you would fling

722
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: your hair around or Leah would like do that, or

723
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: like what that meant, like youth, the exuberant of being

724
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: free in a space. You're free on that stage, You're

725
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: not free in the hallway so you can fling your

726
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: body around. I remember being so moved by your hair

727
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: acting like things like that. That hit and then we

728
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: did an episode based by bursting into tears that the

729
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: youthfulness of hair being flung. But it was like, um,

730
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: it was just it was such a great um. We

731
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: worked really hard on it, and we we we were

732
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: given the time to rehearse and to work things out

733
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: and for me to say yes, no, not that, more

734
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: of that, do more of that? Um. I was obsessed

735
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: with the way Amber would pat her leg at the beginning,

736
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: like little moments that probably no one ever cared about.

737
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: These are the things that I obsessed over because for me,

738
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: they represented hope, youth, freedom, safety. I remember when I

739
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: was in drama club. It was the only place in

740
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: the world where I felt that I could be me

741
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: and not be judged. So I was looking for things

742
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: like that and and those were powerful moving things that

743
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: And I almost also have this rule in my career

744
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: where which I learned from Glee, which is the most

745
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: the more specific something is, the more universal it becomes.

746
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: So we're making like no one thought a show about

747
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: show choir would ever work. But the reason it did

748
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: is because everybody knows what it's like to be misunderstood,

749
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: unseen and bullied everybody, and that is the thing that

750
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: people glommed onto. And um, I've never forgot it. I've

751
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: never forgot the the the shooting of that episode and

752
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: the specificity. And I kept, you know, I don't know

753
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: how many takes we would do, sometimes fifteen and also

754
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 1: I will I will be honest, like it was so

755
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: sometimes you guys would be doing numbers. You have to

756
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: remember that we built that auditorium on stage right, and

757
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: we would be doing and I'll like, for example, when

758
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: we were doing them troubled Tones, mashup of the Adele songs,

759
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: Rumor has It? And what was the other song, Jenna?

760
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: What was that song? Someone like you? That was a

761
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: moment where you guys, we're just doing it and Adele

762
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: was you know Adele. And that was a day where

763
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: I think I said, we're going to shoot the whole

764
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: day this number, that's what doll we're doing, and everyone

765
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: on the lot, from all of these different departments at Fox,

766
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: we just came and we sat in the audience and

767
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: it was so magical that I think you guys maybe

768
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: had to run it like fifteen times before we kick

769
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: people out. People would you got standing ovations in the rehearsal.

770
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: I remember like it was just moving to see young

771
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: people performing at that level and being able to be creative,

772
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: and the lighting and it was just kind of nutty

773
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: and magical. But that's what I remember, the joy of

774
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: seeing you guys kill it. And also like when we

775
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: did wheels that episode in the first season, that number

776
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: all of you in the wheelchairs. Again, probably not something

777
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: we could do today, but I remember enjoyed shooting that. Yeah,

778
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: and I remember Paris and I sitting in that director

779
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: sitting in the auditorium just marveling, like I can't believe,

780
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 1: like that these kids get to sing this song and

781
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: talk about um, yeah, you know, disabilities in this way,

782
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: and it sometimes you just felt like you were outside

783
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: watching it, like you couldn't believe what we were getting

784
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: away with and like, okay, but I knew when we

785
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: were doing it the reaction that the audience would feel

786
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: that way, and they did, maybe not Tom style, but

787
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: I think we felt that within it too though even

788
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: telling it, especially those first third team where like you said,

789
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: we had the time and had the care like even

790
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 1: when we go into the recording studio later on, we'd

791
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: have to record a song basically in thirty minutes, but

792
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: we had half a day to figure out with Adam

793
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: Ander's like what are the three parts gonna sound like?

794
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: And b Mary we didn't know because our voices are

795
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: so different. We were still figuring all that out, and

796
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: there was so much excitement from every department to figure

797
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: it out and make it all work together, and having

798
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, people who were designing the sets come out

799
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: and finally see like what it looked like as everyone's performing,

800
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: as Andrew Mitchell was shooting it, you know, with these

801
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: beautiful steadicam shots and seeing the joy it brought so

802
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: many different people for so many different reasons, and it

803
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: just magically working over and over again, Like I remember

804
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: Don't Stop, which was maybe this one of the simplest

805
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: umbers we've ever done. We should I think we shot

806
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: it for day and a half. Yes, we get like

807
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: seventies something takes and you watch it like, well, this

808
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: is very simple, but had you not taken the care

809
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: big musical number we had done like that, and also

810
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: like directing a musical, do you know how hard it

811
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: is to get a light flare to go off at

812
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: the exact moment Lia Michelle puts her head. It was hard,

813
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: like we've never done anything like that, so we had

814
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: the space to be like and I just kept saying,

815
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: that's not it, that's not it, that's not it, that's it.

816
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: And then when that took a while, but I just

817
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: it was it was like, Um. One of my favorite

818
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: moments in the show was when we were doing the

819
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: Vitamin D number. And you know, the story of the

820
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: Vitamin D number was because at that point, you know,

821
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: we were in the middle of shooting in and I

822
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: was so tired, and um, we noticed that whenever I

823
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: took a claret and d from my allergy, suddenly we

824
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: had the energy to continue one with the screenwriting. But

825
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember the day that we were doing

826
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: I didn't like the boys part of it. I'm sorry, Kevin,

827
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: but I was obsessed with the Halo walking on Sunshine

828
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: part of it. I remember thinking, like, how are these

829
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: girls going to do this number because I had not

830
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: seen the rehearsal, and just how insane you guys were

831
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: and how much fun you had. That was another day

832
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: where we just sat there and laughed and watched it

833
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: all day, and there were so many times where even

834
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: if we were in the scenes, we would all just

835
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,399
Speaker 1: go watch each other's numbers so impressed. There were days

836
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: where you guys would not be filming and you would

837
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: come in to watch other cast members perform, just to

838
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 1: sit there and say like, well, what are they gonna do?

839
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,959
Speaker 1: You know how often I'd sit in that choir room

840
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm getting paid to sit here and

841
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 1: watch these people get up here and perform their asses

842
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: off real and respond to it. Yeah, you know. I

843
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: was like, you guys are so talented, and like you

844
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: would have ideas that would push us, Like you would

845
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: have me doing songs I never would have picked for

846
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: myself or given. Amber never used to like do the

847
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: like yellow singing sort of like that. She's like, I've

848
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: never done that before, and now can you imagine hearing

849
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: her not do that? Where we were all pushed to

850
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: challenge ourselves, and then I think you also saw that

851
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: and then started to sort of implement some of those

852
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: changes into the characters, like from our real lives, and

853
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: I felt sometimes it was great. Sometimes we're like this

854
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: seems familiar, but it was. It all came from us

855
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: being able to just push ourselves and that Yeah, that's

856
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: first thirteen, even into year one and two. Like I

857
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: remember that I would never ever do anything on Friday

858
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: nights because most of the time we would be shooting

859
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: in that choir room until four in the morning Friday night,

860
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: and it was you know, we would all sit around

861
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: in a huddle in our crappy director's chairs and that

862
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: have given me years of back problems, and we would

863
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 1: just like shoot the ship and talk and like make

864
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: jokes and um and a lot of the things that

865
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: we would write would come from those moments of like,

866
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: wait a minute, why are Naya and um Amber singing

867
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: the boy's mind? Well, we got to put that into

868
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: an episode. Like it was like Heather, the whole character was, Yeah,

869
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: the dolphins have yet like moments just hanging out and

870
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: they were Hi, It's Bethany Frankel. My time on the

871
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: Wheelhousewives of New York is a few years behind me,

872
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: and now I'm ready to put the wheel back into

873
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: the Wheelhousewives. That's where my new podcast, We Wives comes in.

874
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: Isn't your typical rewatch podcast. I'm watching only the most

875
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: iconic episodes from all cities. I'm sharing never before heard

876
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: stories of what happened behind the scenes. And I'm not

877
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: just pulling in cast members for postgame analysis. I'm doing

878
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: something a little more interesting. If you've ever seen an

879
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: episode of The wheelhouse Wives, you know the drill, But

880
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: beyond throwing drinks and legs, there are lessons about marriage, divorce, friendship, money, parenting,

881
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: and fame if you have the right minds, analyze and

882
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: dig deeper. So I'm bringing on unexpected thought leaders and

883
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: celebrities to get their take on the chaos this season.

884
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 1: I sit down with Elizabeth Moss, Kevin Neal and Zusie Orman,

885
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: Griffin Johnson and more. You think that there isn't much

886
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: to learn from flipping tables and yanking wigs, but that's

887
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: where you're wrong. Listen to Rewives with Bethany Frankel on

888
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you

889
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: get your favorite podcasts. Ryan, Like, this show has had

890
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: so much impact on like everybody right around the world.

891
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: But you know, we talked about us in the bubble

892
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: and you, um, like, there's so much media out there

893
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: they raises us, brings us down, but like, what what

894
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: do you want this show to leave? And and how

895
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: do you want it to imprint on people, on you,

896
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: on us, Like, what is it that you want this

897
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: show's legacy to be? You know, I for me personally

898
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: right it. I said this at the Coreries memorial service,

899
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: where I said, you know, Glee was the best of

900
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: times and it was the worst of times in all

901
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: of our lives. I think that's true because of the tragedies,

902
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: because of things. But also the thing that I have

903
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: learned the older I get is lean into the best

904
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: of times. And I look at that show and what

905
00:50:54,160 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: it did, and um, how we don't we don't read remember,

906
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: but I'd remember because I forced myself sometimes to go

907
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: back that first season when Glee came on. I think

908
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: attendance and show choirs left something in this country. There

909
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: was some article I remember cutting it out and showing

910
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: it to you, back when there was newspapers. I remember

911
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: things like that, the legacy of m a love for music,

912
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: a legacy of looking at social issues. UM like UM,

913
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: so many episodes that we did that were very heavy

914
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: and we're really about something that young kids. I think

915
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: that the legacy of UM examining you know, high school

916
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: bullying was was a big thing coming out was a

917
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: big thing. Drug addiction was a big thing. There were

918
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: just so many things that we covered to me that

919
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: were important. But the legacy that I want to last,

920
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: which I think is lasting, is the show celebrates music

921
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: of all kinds and it is a love letter to

922
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: musical artists and to um misfits in high school who

923
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: can express what they're feeling from song. And that was

924
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: the conceit that you would just be walking down the

925
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: hallway and you'd burst into song. But that's kind of

926
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: what life is always felt to me, Like, I just

927
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: care now about you know, young kids watching the show

928
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: who can feel the thing I'm embarrassed about myself is

929
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: the very thing I should be celebrating. That to me

930
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: is what the show was about and will always be about.

931
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: And I'm at the phase now with that show, you know,

932
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, there's been enough time, Like maybe

933
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: we should really re examine it as a brand, you know,

934
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: should we do um a reboot of it in some way?

935
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: Should we do a Broadway musical of it? In some way?

936
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 1: Like it's sort of like an interesting legacy see that

937
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm interested in doing in a positive way. After sort

938
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: of pausing for a while, but I don't know. I

939
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: just love what it says and what it did, and

940
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: there will never be in my life another Glee anything

941
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: close to it in terms of me feeling so close

942
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: to it and the feeling that I really did have

943
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: when I made it, which was just pure love and

944
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: feeling that I, as a misunderstood, unloved kid, had a

945
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: moment where maybe I was understood. That's what it means

946
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: to me. It was it's very much that show about

947
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: how I felt as a kid and how I wish

948
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: I had a friend like that show, Like if that

949
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,439
Speaker 1: show had aired when I was a kid, it would

950
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: have been my friend. And I find that really moving,

951
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: and I find it so important that so many young

952
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: kids do see that show as that, And that's what

953
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: I love about it, and that's what I'll always love

954
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: about it. And well, that's what I think we all

955
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: tried to do with it. Are we all crying now?

956
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: I see tears. I mean, that's that's how it feels

957
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: for me. And I think I don't speak for Dinner,

958
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: but it was it brought us all together, it made us.

959
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: It was you know, meta in that way where yeah,

960
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: we were playing characters, but we were those kids, and

961
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: we did get brought together and did get to have

962
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: this incredible, wild experience where we felt appreciated and that

963
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: we belonged, and how around the world people got to

964
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: connect with that, connect with us, connect with you. And

965
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: it's incredible that anything can last that long and still

966
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: have that that much meaning. And so it's incredible to

967
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: be a part of something that has and still does

968
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: mean that much to people. Yeah, it's sweet, it's it's

969
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: um I look at it in just such a different light,

970
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: like it's the thing that never should have worked, that worked,

971
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 1: and it work just because of the group of people

972
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: who made it and how much we all believed in

973
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: it and we just we had no idea and like,

974
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: I've never had that feeling again of let's roll up

975
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: art literally like that. That's the reason why you go

976
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: into show business. First of all, you do. Anybody in

977
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: show businesses in show business because you are in love.

978
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: That's just the truth. And you go into that to

979
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: try and get this universal feeling of acceptance and love

980
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: and that you're missing, which show business and success gives you. Right,

981
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: That's what I've learned from my decades of therapy. But um,

982
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: I just feel like it was such a wonderful time,

983
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that we get to, you know, have

984
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: conversations like this where we're we're able to look back

985
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: in it in a fond way, like we're not in

986
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: the pressure cooker of making it, and when you're in

987
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: the pressure cooker, it's hard. But now we're like, um

988
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: old enough and we have an a distance that I

989
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: hope everybody who did it could see that it really

990
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: was made with pure love and great intent. But I'm

991
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: just curious to you guys, have any because I'll never

992
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 1: talk about this again. Do you have any undying questions

993
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: you've always wanted to ask me about the show? Because

994
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: I feel like there has to be something we didn't

995
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: talk about or have we talked about everything? Um, I

996
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: have something dark I was going to ask about, like

997
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: we were to do it, we were talking about now

998
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: we're talking about Corey, and we were talking about but

999
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't think we ever got to talk about like

1000
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: the decision and the conflict of like actually making the

1001
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 1: quarterback right, Like we obviously were very we were contracted

1002
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: and we were going to make it whether we wanted

1003
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: to or not, right, Like we were a part of that.

1004
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: But we were given the option to not do it,

1005
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think I remember Ryan or somebody saying like,

1006
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to do this, but it felt like

1007
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's gonna do it. I don't want

1008
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: to be the one person who's not right. And then

1009
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: I think a part of it was like we did

1010
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: it for Cory in some way, um, in hopes that

1011
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: we would get some sort of closure within in some

1012
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: weird way. So I'm just curious, like we never really

1013
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: got to hear about your guys side of that decision

1014
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: to like actually doing yeah, and make that decision, like

1015
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: how Finn was going to exit the show. That's a

1016
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: really good question because I've thought a lot about that recently,

1017
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: and I would not have done that show now. I

1018
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: just would not have done it. I would never have.

1019
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: I felt like it was way too raw and way

1020
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: too soon. And but this is what happened. So Corey died,

1021
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: and the months leading up to that were very fraught

1022
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: and emotional and difficult to love someone. And and I

1023
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: had no idea that he had a drug problem. Um,

1024
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: I was naive. I didn't no, Um, I don't. Yeah,

1025
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: And then you know I was the person who had

1026
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: to lead the intervention, not knowing what to do or

1027
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: what to say, Like I was just like desperate for

1028
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: him to live, you know, and it was again I

1029
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: had no training for that. So when he passed, you know,

1030
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: there was a decision that we had to make about, um,

1031
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: do we cancel the show or do we go on?

1032
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: And it was a difficult decision. And I had a

1033
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: conversation with Leah about it because she was dating Corey

1034
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: and was very you know, involved in in the thing,

1035
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: and it was like, well, what do you want to do?

1036
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: And it was it was it was a big corporate decision.

1037
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: And there was a decision after a couple of of

1038
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: weeks of well, there's a crew here that's been with

1039
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: us from day one, there are many jobs on the

1040
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: line the show. The show was still doing well, Um,

1041
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: do you keep it going or do you cancel it?

1042
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: Of course there's no right answer, um, And I didn't

1043
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: really know what to do, so I just sort of

1044
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: I remember, after many conversations from a lot of people

1045
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: weighing in, we made the decision to well, let's keep

1046
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: it going. And if you're going to keep it going

1047
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: and keep these jobs going, how do you address what

1048
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: happened because the male lead of the show, you know, died,

1049
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: So what do you do? Do you just pretend it

1050
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: didn't happen. You can't do that. Did he die off camera?

1051
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: That didn't feel right to me? Um, And I just

1052
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: think that with a lot of conversations, we decided to

1053
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: pay tribute to him. Yeah, And it was something that

1054
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: I remember even then thinking, Okay, well, if we're gonna

1055
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: do this, people are going to have a lot of feelings.

1056
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: And I don't even remember. I was in such a

1057
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: blur of grief, to be honest, and so devastated by

1058
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: his death that you know, I don't know if I

1059
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: told you guys the story, but you know I helped

1060
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: him in his intervention and he seemed to have gotten

1061
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: through it in a good way. And then I went

1062
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: off to make The Normal Heart and I was always

1063
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: talking to him every day, and he came to the

1064
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: set of The Normal Heart to be with me, and

1065
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: he was like my child, and I remember thinking like,

1066
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: oh my god, thank god he made it, thank God

1067
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna be okay. He came to Fire Island and

1068
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: he spent time with me, and I remember thinking like,

1069
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: against all odds, he's going to be okay, and then

1070
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: two days later, three days later, he died, so it

1071
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: was very unexpected and um, anyway, so we decided to

1072
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: do the tribute episode, and I remember that the one

1073
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: thing that I asked for was that there was a

1074
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: grief counselor on set who at any moment could you know?

1075
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: People weren't really doing that back then to my knowledge.

1076
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: But I also remember that not one single person talked

1077
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: to that grief counselor. Nobody was interested in really sharing it.

1078
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: And I think that, um, it's it's an episode. I

1079
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: was able to watch once and at it, never looked

1080
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,959
Speaker 1: at it again. I probably think that it was not right.

1081
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: Two Again, it was complicated because, as I recall it,

1082
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: everybody had the choice do you want to sing? Do

1083
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: you not want to do this? Do you want to

1084
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: be in it? Do you not want to be in it?

1085
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: If you don't want to be in it, I will understand. Um,

1086
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: it just felt like an impossible corner. We were all

1087
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: put in right like there's no right or wrong, there's

1088
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: no it just felt like and it blurred to me

1089
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: to like I don't remember being given the option. I'm

1090
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: which now like I remember briefly, but like it just

1091
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: was one of those things that, like I think the

1092
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: grief counselor was like it was just a sign that

1093
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: it was all too soon, too raw, like nobody was

1094
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: ready to talk about it right, Like nobody was in

1095
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: the place too. And also we were all very very

1096
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: protective of each other, like we were all very close

1097
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: on all levels, and it felt like that we were

1098
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: having to sort of I had never lost anyone before

1099
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: that I was that close with, and I didn't know

1100
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: how to personally deal with it other than like being

1101
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: around all of you guys and being able to talk

1102
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 1: about it, and because I knew everybody felt the same

1103
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: and so having you know, yeah, we're in a scene

1104
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: talking about a character, obviously we're talking about our real friend,

1105
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: and then there's a camera on you, and it's like

1106
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: when those things happened, like you don't know when you're

1107
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: going to lose it and not lose it and break down.

1108
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: And I remember the camera turned on me and I

1109
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: just got up out of the wheelchair and walked out

1110
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: of the scene and I was just outside stage is

1111
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: just like losing it and crying and and I was like,

1112
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: what is happening? Like what is going on because the separation.

1113
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: I've watched other shows shows do it too since just

1114
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: to see and it is that you know, there's no

1115
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: correct answer, there's no right way to do it. And

1116
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: I just remember feeling like our little group here is

1117
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: being exposed in a way where by that point too,

1118
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, we were constantly in the press or It's

1119
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: like I just wanted to, I think, get even closer

1120
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: and protect ourselves, and it felt like we were sort

1121
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: of opening the thing to the public. And there was

1122
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: also a thing I remember when we had to go

1123
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: to the Teen Choice Awards and accept an award and

1124
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: they wanted us to speak about Corey and there's all

1125
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: this weird stuff like what is like what is happening

1126
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: where you are still managing a brand and a job,

1127
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 1: but also at the core of it, it's like, okay,

1128
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: one of our closest friends is gone and like and

1129
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: we also, yeah, we didn't know what to do. We

1130
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: had never been in this very peculiar specifics. What do

1131
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: you what do you guys? You know, what do you

1132
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 1: think we should have done? That's the thing I don't know,

1133
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: because creatively, I don't know how you get around it.

1134
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: As you do address it, and it also feels like

1135
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: an elephant in the room if you don't address it right. Yeah,

1136
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: it was very, very difficult, and yeah, if I yeah,

1137
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: if I could do it all over again, I think,

1138
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: knowing now what I do know, I probably would have said,

1139
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: you know what, we're going to take a year off

1140
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: and then we're going to check in and see how

1141
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: does everybody even six months? Remember, I remember that everybody

1142
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: had time off after he died. I remember we kept

1143
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: moving the shooting date. Um. But you know, the world

1144
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: was a different place than again. It was. It was

1145
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: such a and everybody who were you know, our bosses

1146
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: had great empathy. None of us knew what to do,

1147
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: but I know none of us knew how to handle it.

1148
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: None of us knew how to pay tribute to him.

1149
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: None of us knew what to do with the business.

1150
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: But all of us did know that when that happened,

1151
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: I think our hearts all kind of broke and we

1152
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: were kind of done. Even though it was it was

1153
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: not said, we were like, okay, well that that there,

1154
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: it's gone, that the spirit of joy of it has

1155
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: left the building. And you know, you can keep things

1156
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: going for financial reasons and to keep crew members being paid.

1157
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: And again, the crew that we had was several hundred

1158
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: people who were with us from the beginning who did

1159
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: depend on those paychecks, so that that was a big

1160
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: thing to be thinking about. But I wasn't thrilled with

1161
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: how it was. It just I didn't know what to do.

1162
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: Nobody did, and I think we did the best with

1163
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: what we could. But it was very dark, and you

1164
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: were right to say, like, let's talk about that, because

1165
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: none of us have really talked about it. Um I

1166
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: blocked it out of my memory. I do remember talking

1167
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: to everybody and saying, do you want to sing a

1168
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: song or not? Or what do you want to do?

1169
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: Like I remember Leah was very unsure and that was

1170
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: her ideas to sing that song, and it was like,

1171
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: are you sure? Okay? Like I don't remember. I remember

1172
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: everything being very tender and tentative and not knowing where

1173
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: to move. But if I had to do it again,

1174
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would we would have stopped for a

1175
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: long time and different world, probably not come back. I

1176
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: don't think we would have come back now if this

1177
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: had happened, I would be like, that's the end, because

1178
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: you can't really recover from something like that. And also

1179
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a normal death where someone was sick

1180
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: and you can see them. It happened so quickly with

1181
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: no warning, and we thought things had been first of all,

1182
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: we had no idea, and then it was sort of

1183
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: dealing with the crisis, and um, yeah, we just have

1184
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: such a young cast to lose so many people that

1185
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: it feels so, I don't know, a bit much bigger

1186
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: and more tragic because it's these people who aren't having

1187
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: lived out their time right or havn't like, had the

1188
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: full experience. They're full time spent here. Yeah, and that's again,

1189
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: to be blunt, I think that's part of the reason

1190
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,959
Speaker 1: why none of us have wanted to do anything else

1191
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: with the show, because of respect for the people who

1192
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: have passed. And like, Okay, well maybe it's fine as

1193
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 1: it is, and if you bring it up again, it

1194
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's not healthy to examine these emotions and feelings,

1195
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: but maybe it is. I don't know the answer. I

1196
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: just know that whenever we talk about it or things

1197
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: like this, like I'm sure you guys have no idea

1198
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: that there were all of these conversations like about should

1199
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: we or shouldn't we? You just thought, like, this is

1200
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: what we're doing. You did not get to see the

1201
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: parent exactly crying in the room on his knees, sobbing,

1202
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: saying I can't go on. You didn't see dad do that.

1203
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: You just saw Okay, here's here's trying to be a leader.

1204
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,800
Speaker 1: Um yes, trying to be stoic in front of us,

1205
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 1: keep it together. And in some ways we all just

1206
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: wanted to be together. So what what other way but

1207
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: to come and do the show and be together and

1208
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: he'll together, you know. So I remember talking to like

1209
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: Telly was in the writer's building and he was just like,

1210
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: it's really hard to even just be on the lot

1211
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: every day, even to just be in the same places

1212
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: where we were with him every single day, where no

1213
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: matter where we went, it was just a constant remind reminder. Yeah, yeah,

1214
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 1: I think you're probably right in the the decision probably

1215
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: to have if it happened today that you were just yeah,

1216
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: it's a no brainer, right, like in in hindsight, but

1217
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: like you know, again, we live in a different world.

1218
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: That's why like these new eyes of like watching the

1219
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: show and looking at the show as adults, and you know,

1220
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: with all this time, you know in space between it,

1221
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: like it's it's a different beast now, and like we

1222
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 1: look back so much more fondly than the the anger

1223
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: and the pain that you know kind of was over

1224
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: shadow over shadowed a lot of it for a lot

1225
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: of time. I also think because a lot of the

1226
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: bad stuff happened towards the end, and so that's the

1227
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: most what what do you like? I'm interested in that, Like,

1228
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 1: what do you define the bad stuff? Corey? I think

1229
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: you know the mark of it all Naya and so

1230
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: like the things that happened more recently were losing people

1231
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: we were close with, and then I think there were

1232
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: other things that happened towards the end of the show,

1233
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: behavioral things well, and also the core casts that we

1234
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: that grew into this thing, you know, like everybody separated,

1235
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: Like we didn't see half of our friends. They went

1236
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: off to New York and half the show was split

1237
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: into two different shows, and so it felt like our

1238
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 1: whole family went, you know away, and you're like, I'm

1239
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: you know, Kevin and I are still in the choir

1240
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: room and we're like, what's going over you know, happening

1241
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: in New York And you're hearing of all these things

1242
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: and you know, the media wheel is going and the

1243
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 1: gossip wheel is going, and it just felt like everybody

1244
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: took the show and ran with it versus like the

1245
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: bubble that we were able to experience and the law

1246
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: that we're able to experience in the pilot and in

1247
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 1: that short you know, in those first couple of years. Yeah,

1248
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: of course, that's the dilemma when you do a high

1249
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: school show, right, It's like, Okay, well they have to graduate,

1250
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 1: and they have to they have to. And of course

1251
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: when you're I remember hating that idea, it's like, I

1252
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,959
Speaker 1: don't want to leave this choir room. I'm not interested

1253
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: in going to New York. I don't care about that.

1254
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: I only cared about those kids in that room. And

1255
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 1: um hm, that was a creative decision that maybe, um

1256
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: I should have addressed in the writing. Like I don't know,

1257
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: maybe we had done four seasons and like one of

1258
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 1: them was like an acid trip, and then you got

1259
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: to repeat your senior years so that all of you

1260
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: and then it should probably have ended once we left

1261
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: that choir room. And I think that you learned, like,

1262
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, you learned that when you're doing a high

1263
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: school show, other people who struggle with that too, you know,

1264
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean there are shows on now that

1265
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 1: they just replaced entire casts every two seasons. Just like

1266
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: in here, the new people, but also like the characters,

1267
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: you don't want to leave them. I think we live

1268
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: in a world now with television particularly well, where the

1269
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: appetite for a hit show is probably three seasons. That

1270
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: seems to be the streaming model, and there's a reason

1271
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: for that, and I wish, but also we did some

1272
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,560
Speaker 1: great things in those last two seasons that were phenomenal

1273
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: and musical numbers that were great, and so I wouldn't

1274
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: change anything. But I do have regrets, you know. I

1275
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: think what I wish I had really done is to

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01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: have more, you know, in talking about it with you guys,

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Speaker 1: I wish that we had had more sort of State

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01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: of the Union's meetings where you were allowed and I

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01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 1: was allowed to sit with you guys and say, Okay,

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01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: this is where I am. What do you want to know?

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01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: Because I would have told you it was just like

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01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: we were always in different places and running around and

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01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: just trying to keep up. I just remember that feeling

1284
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: like I'm trying not to drown. I am. I am

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01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: paddling as fast as I can. I did not have

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01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: the resources or the training or the skills to really

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01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: do it or know what I was doing, and I

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: was faking it till I made it. Of course, now

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01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: I would be able to handle it in a completely

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01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: different way, and many relationships in a very different way. Um,

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01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: and I wish I had. But um, but you're able

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01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: to do that now, and you're able to be apparently

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01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,519
Speaker 1: like a more well rounded human, probably because you did

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01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: go through all of these things. Yeah, I mean I

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01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: would love to come back on your podcast and really

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01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 1: go through some of these later episodes that I did

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01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: direct and tell you like because I like talking about

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01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 1: the joy of it, Like I enjoyed this conversation you

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01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: tell us when come back, Like I really want to

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01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: talk about Um, well this is the pilot, but I

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01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: mean there's so many great I mean episodes like have

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01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 1: me back because I want to talk like I love

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01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: love talking about well the Madonna when we can talk

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01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: about that right now, but like, yes, like I mean

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01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: there's so many I will come back from Madonna. But

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01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 1: I want to like even talking with you guys about

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01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: the joy of of the Adele mash up or the

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01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: vitamin D number or don't stop you leaving, just sitting

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: here talking about God. We had so much fun. We

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01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: were all just fans like we were fans. And Amber

1311
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: Ley is the one who first turned me onto Adele.

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01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: She was the one who said, have you heard this singer? Um, Kevin,

1313
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: I think you were the first person who told me

1314
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: about Lady Gaga because you guys were on some show

1315
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: with her and I'm like, who's Lady God? Yeah, yeah

1316
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: we did. And so these were just like um creative

1317
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,840
Speaker 1: moments where we're like, I love this person, listen to

1318
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: this or check out this or remember this. And then

1319
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: you know, it was my job to inform you guys

1320
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 1: of ancient Barbara streisand songs. I knew that I didn't

1321
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: know any musical theater. You kid. I remember I've told

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01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 1: the story of a billion times, but I don't know

1323
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: if you knew this right and that when Chris and

1324
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: Chenowith was doing Maybe this time during between one of

1325
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: the setups, I was walking around the halls with her.

1326
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: I was like, I'd never heard this song before. You

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01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: sound great, right, yeah, Kevin, no idea? I was like,

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01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: you cannot fix me. Imagine how heretical and bizarre. It

1329
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: was to be doing a Kandarin Ebb song on a

1330
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: mainstream network television show, like that's just so weird, and

1331
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: we did that. You can do now dance on TV.

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01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: It was like a dream come true. You know. It's

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01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: like everything you either have to choose between TV or Broadway,

1334
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: right my whole life, people were like, we have to

1335
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: choose one acting or singing, like no, I can't write,

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01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 1: And then here we happened. Yeah, um, please come back Ryan.

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01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: We well I'm coming back from Madonna. So like, what

1338
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 1: was that episode fifteen or sixteen of season one? So

1339
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:40,559
Speaker 1: how are you telling me you guys, how you guys

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01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: are going to do this show? Because I love when

1341
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 1: you guys talk about Glee and I have kind of

1342
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: we've had conversations, but I've always been I've never let

1343
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: anybody else do anything like this except for you too,

1344
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: because I do believe that you have a love of

1345
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: the show and that you believe in the message of

1346
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: the show, and I trust you implicit So tell me, like,

1347
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: how do you do how are you going to do

1348
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: this this show that I think people are going to

1349
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: really enjoy? Do you do an episode? One? Episode a week, okay,

1350
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: and we'll go through the episodes and then we're going

1351
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: to obviously go through the actual narrative of the episode,

1352
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: go through the characters and all that our half hour

1353
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: stories memories, and then there's sort of all the other

1354
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: fun things that we can add in, you know, addressing

1355
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: some of the crazy like TikTok rumors and things that

1356
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: dispel some of those sort of things you tell me

1357
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 1: about those what are those? Oh my god, it's crazy.

1358
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,560
Speaker 1: So this is I think what started the Glee resurgence

1359
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 1: during the pandemic was TikTok. There's Glee talk because the

1360
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 1: algorithm can get so specific that people started sharing all

1361
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: of like their favorite or most hated or wildest conspiracies

1362
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: about the show. But also like Glee is still being

1363
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: talked about two thousand twenty two, as you know, and

1364
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: so like let's talk about what people were talking about

1365
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 1: the show currently and address some of those things. I mean,

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01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: we also wanted to like bring on some of the

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 1: actual artists that we covered this time around, Like I'd

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01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: love to know Steve Perry's view of how our version

1369
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 1: of Don't Stop, you know, how that affected his career,

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01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:22,680
Speaker 1: if at all, And he was he was. He was

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Speaker 1: the first one when I was on my bend or

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01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: about I have to get this song. He was supportive

1373
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: from the get go, and I remember he came to set. Yeah,

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01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: I remember meeting. He was very lovely and just got

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01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: it and got and I think I had a very

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01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: brief conversation with him about I'm interested in this song

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01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: because of x UM. Yeah, we may have questions for

1378
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: you too. I should have a segment on your show

1379
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 1: called true or False where you just asked me questions

1380
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: and I'm only allowed to say true or false. Great,

1381
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: let us let us do on it and come up

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01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: with some really good ones. It's funny because I'm elderly now,

1383
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 1: but I do have a nine year old who's who

1384
01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: I let watch TikTok sometimes, and he's always saying, like,

1385
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,160
Speaker 1: your show is really popular on here. I'm like, what

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01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 1: each And then I try and research it and I

1387
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,720
Speaker 1: can never find anything. I have fallen into the YouTube.

1388
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: They're all of these compilation things where will be like,

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01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, Sucilvest's greatest moments or one hundred of the

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01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 1: most insane things that they actually put on Glee, And

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01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, how do we do that, right,

1392
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 1: Mr Shoes. Creepiest moments, yes, yeah, things that things that

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01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: didn't age well, the future, yes, predicting the future, yes, yes, yeah,

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01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about stuff like that. Okay, I'll come

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01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: in and do a true and false segments. Okay, we're

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01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 1: going to add that. We're gonna add Ryan, You're the best.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, serious, thank you. I

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01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 1: think we should also have a segment called we did

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Speaker 1: this right? And I think we should have a segment

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01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 1: called we really this up. Yeah. I think that's right.

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01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: There were some things you know that you don't know

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01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: that you just trying to the turn of it, you know,

1403
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: but a lot of things we did right. So we did.

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01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: Love you guys, thank you for having Okay, by what

1405
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 1: a conversation with Lady Ryan Murphy. UM, it's no truly incredible.

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01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: We're just so grateful to him, and UM, we can't

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01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 1: wait to recap the pilot with you guys next week.

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01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: We're going to go back and chat about what really happened.

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01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:33,680
Speaker 1: That's what you really missed um in the pilot And

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01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 1: so make sure you go watch that this week and

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01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: join us next week and follow us on Instagram at

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01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: and that's what you really missed. Pod follow Kevin, follow

1413
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:47,080
Speaker 1: me for all the Glee insider tips. Are we trading

1414
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 1: trading tips? We're trading tips, trading stocks, training tips. Thank

1415
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 1: you so much for your support these first two weeks.

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01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: Please also let us know who you want us to

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: have on the pod and we'll do our best to

1418
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: try to get all our our friends and fans to

1419
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 1: come on and talk about this show. So see you

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Speaker 1: next week. Thank you for being here. Bye bye bye,