1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me, 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Tommy di Dario. If you haven't watched the show Boots yet, 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Sorry, I'm not yelling at you. 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: I'm just very excited because it is one of the 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: best shows of the entire year. And my guest today 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: is someone that I knew I had to get on 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: my show. I watched Boots about a month before the 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: world got to see it, and you know, I'm picky 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: with who I have on the show, but it was 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: a no brainer to get the brilliant Max Parker on now. 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Max Parker is a breakout star of the series. He 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: plays Sergeant Sullivan, who has quite a journey throughout the show. 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: On the surface, he's a tough dude. He yells at 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: the top of his lungs and within two seconds can 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: make you feel like the most useless person in the world. 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: But in reality, Sergeant Sullivan has so much heart and 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: it's just trying to figure out his place in the world. 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: Boots is based off the real life memoir The Pink Marine, 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: which I'm reading and it's so good. It's by the 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: incredible Greg Cope White, who documented his journey as a closet, 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: a gay teen who joined the US Marines when it 22 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: was illegal to be gay in the Marines. This conversation 23 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: is full of spoilers, so I hope you enjoy us 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: really diving into Max's experience in boots. All right, let's 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: see if today we can get Max to say something 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: that he has never said before. Max Parker, how are you, 27 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 1: my man? 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: I'm great, A little tired, A little tired. 29 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: You've been on a whirlwind. 30 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. There's a lot of firsts these past 31 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: few weeks that I've done. This is my first podcast. 32 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: Okay, how's it all feeling. 33 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: It feels good. I feel like I like structure, and 34 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: I like people like telling me what to do and 35 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: where to go. My problem is if I have like 36 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: free reign. I'm a procrastinator. So this feels great. 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: So you're not like a type a person that needs 38 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: to have a strict schedule. 39 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: No, I love that. Do you know when people like 40 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: think back to like school, that was my favorite time, 41 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: just having a schedule and just like knowing exactly what 42 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, because I've got ADHD, so like my 43 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: mind is like all over the place. 44 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Hmmm, Well, then I imagine doing a show like Boots 45 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: was really fun for you because you could focus all 46 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: of that into screaming and yelling and ripping people apart, 47 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: like your character does so brilliantly in the show. 48 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks, Yeah, Sullivan's sort of opposite to me in 49 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: that sense. He's very he's very strict, he can make 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: his own plans. He's a perfectionist. I am a bit 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: of a perfectionist, but in sort of like a chaotic 52 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: like he's very thoughtful. He's always thinking about the next step. 53 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: How in the world did you scream so much as 54 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: Sergeant Sullivan, I mean, doesn't seem like that's your default. 55 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 2: No, man, it's tough. It's very tough. I think there's 56 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: a difference between shouting and screaming. And Sullivan has a 57 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: lot of like outbursts or he's not just giving orders, 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 2: he's literally like, what's the word, crashing out. He's crashing 59 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 2: out a lot of the time on the recruits. So 60 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: it's this like screaming and you know, like in Hollywood, 61 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: there's a lot of reset another take. We ended up 62 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: having to come with like a process of filming either 63 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: other recruits first, and I would give it, you know, 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: eighty percent, and then when it swaps back, I could, 65 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: you know, give it full beans. But we had amazing 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 2: like voice coaches. We went through a couple of them 67 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: and we are all like blowing bubbles through the water 68 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: and steaming and so yeah, it was like a labor 69 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: of love. 70 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it was amazing to see that 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: performance come to life. And I know, as an actor, 72 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: you win some, you lose some, You audition, it's all 73 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: part of the game. It's a long journey. You're in 74 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: it for the long run. But did you really really 75 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: really want this role? Yeah? 76 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: Well at the start, No, the start, I got given 77 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: the sides for just one scene, and I remember it 78 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: just let the description was drill instructor, and I just 79 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: never assumed that I looked like a drill instructure. That 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: I sort of had it in me and I love 81 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: the script, but I didn't necessarily think. It's almost like 82 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: if I think I'm going to get something, I'm more 83 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: into it, you know what I mean. And then as 84 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: they drip fed more and more script to me, sort 85 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: of did about eight rounds for this job. So it 86 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 2: was clearly like the wild card, and they just kept 87 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 2: wanting to see more and more and more, and sort 88 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: of about halfway through I knew that I really wanted it. 89 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: Sort of did my research. I saw a lot of 90 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: drill instructures that did look like me, and I knew 91 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 2: the character was, you know, very similar to a lot 92 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: of stuff that I've been through. So I was like, yeah, 93 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: if I don't get this job, I'll be good. 94 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. So what changed for you? What made you suddenly 95 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: really want it? 96 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: I think I've always wanted to do a queer story, 97 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: and a queer story that's written well, and the script 98 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: it's just such a gift to play this. You don't 99 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: necessarily just do like two levels of a character. He's 100 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: so well rounded and you get to see so much 101 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: of him sort of he's almost like how he's created 102 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 2: this persona, and it was such a gift to be 103 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: able to do that. As sort of like the shallow answer, 104 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: but then the deeper answer as well is that I 105 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: know it's an important show. Obviously it's a fun show, 106 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: but the show itself I think has some really important 107 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 2: topics that it's great to be a part of. 108 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a powerful show. And your character specifically has 109 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: these moments throughout the series where I mean, I certainly 110 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: related to some of the things that he goes through, 111 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: and he really goes on a journey with his sexuality. 112 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: Talk to me a bit about that and how you 113 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: brought yourself to that role. 114 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: I think a lot of queer people always go through 115 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: a point of hiding or discovering who they are, and 116 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: then it's almost like a fight or flight moment for 117 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 2: most of us. And it's that sort of struggle, Like 118 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: I remember the times when I was not necessarily hiding, 119 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: but maybe lying to myself, and it puts you in 120 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: dangerous situations and you know, you can lose friends or 121 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,239 Speaker 2: you can act out a certain way. And I actually 122 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: left home super early because I was still sort of 123 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: sticking it to the man in that sense, and just 124 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: this sort of lone range of mentality that you don't 125 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: really want to talk about it, so then it just 126 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: eats at you. And Sullivan is I think the epitome 127 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: of being a lone ranger. He doesn't have family that 128 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: he speaks to, his partner, he's basically sold out so 129 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: he can escape himself, and his best friend's homophobic. So 130 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 2: just just sort of that personified all delved into like 131 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 2: creating my version of Sullivan. 132 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: Did you have to stop reading the script at any 133 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: point or from filming at any point because a moment 134 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: or a scene hits too close to home? 135 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: I think I think when I read a script, especially 136 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: if I'm learning the script, I'm always in reading as 137 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: an outsider first. I always wanted to read just as 138 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: a viewer. It sort of gives me an insight into 139 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: how I think it should be played. And then sometimes 140 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: if I read a scene, it doesn't necessarily hit hard, 141 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: and when I'm on set it can totally change with 142 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: who you're playing it with. And I think I think 143 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: the There was a scene in the show where he 144 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: has a phone call. He rings basically Captain Vahado is 145 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: helping him out in an unspoken way. She's basically saying 146 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: everything's going to be fine, and there's a moment where 147 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: he basically is the only person that he tells that 148 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: it's true. In a he says that we have the 149 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: same tattoo, so he basically admits that the investigation is correct. 150 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: He is gay. And there's that moment where she can't 151 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: admit that she's heard it, so she just says like, 152 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: get on with it sort of thing, and that moment 153 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: really hit because it just it just reminded me a 154 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: load of times where I don't know, you'd open up 155 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: to friends and they'd just like laugh it off, and 156 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: then you would then laugh it off and just you know, 157 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: carry on with your life. I think that was a 158 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: moment for me that I read on the page, and 159 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: I knew that it probably hit me hard when I 160 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: filmed it. 161 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: Laughing off in the sense of, you know, I don't 162 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about it, so we're just going to 163 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: not really go there, or laughing off in the sense 164 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: of like, oh, okay, like great, who cares both? 165 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 2: I think, do you know what one of my biggest 166 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: fears is when I came out, I didn't want to 167 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: because I knew that maybe my parents had an idea, 168 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: because my dad, pretty much since I was a late teenager, 169 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: used to say, you know, if you've got anything to 170 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: tell us, we'll always be there for you. And it 171 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: took me so long to come out because well, it 172 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: was definitely a journey for me anyway. I was still 173 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: discovering who I was, but I didn't want to be 174 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 2: proven wrong. I'm very stubborn, and my worst fear is 175 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: that I'd come out to you know, my mom or 176 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: my dad, and they'd be like, oh, we knew, don't 177 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: worry about it, because coming out to some friends they'd 178 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: do the same and it it hurts a little bit. 179 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: So they did the best thing and they came over, 180 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: gave me a hug, started to talk about you know 181 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: what it meant the future and all that kind of stuff. 182 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's so interesting. You're playing a role 183 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: now where you reflect and think so much back on 184 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: your own journey and there are parallels with your own 185 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: journey because that's not always the case. And for something 186 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: so personal as that as your own journey coming out 187 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: and having the player's character who's going through that, I 188 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,479 Speaker 1: imagine there's a part of all of this that's cathartic 189 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: or maybe a little healing. Like it's an interesting thing, right. 190 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I think there's a there's a there's a 191 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: thing that people say when they hate watching queer stories, 192 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: and it's always sad that we never get happy ending. 193 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: And it's almost that is Sullivan's story so far that 194 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: you know you're watching this demise of a character, but 195 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 2: it's it's not it's almost not in a way over 196 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: a relationship. It's not like you know, the story doesn't 197 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 2: center really around the romance. It's about like the era, 198 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: the nineties, the military, and you know, it's a truthful 199 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 2: telling of probably a lot of people's stories. So although 200 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: it is a depressing sort of demise of such a 201 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 2: strong character, I think it's important to show the darker 202 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: side of the era. 203 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's I mean, it was a lot of 204 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: people's reality. It's not something that's just being written about. 205 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: It's what people went true. And for me, one of 206 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: the scenes that I thought was so strong and it 207 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: really resonated and storylines, I guess is as you mentioned, 208 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: when your character is in love with was he another 209 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: recruit or a surgeon? 210 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 2: Yes, he was a recruit. Yeah, no, no, no, no, 211 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: he's a he's a sergeant sergeant. 212 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you have this, we see this officer, an officer. 213 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: We have to get the terminology right, officer he he. 214 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: You guys had this epic kind of love story and 215 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: then seemingly overnight, you just turn it off and it's 216 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: just like we see that switch with your character and 217 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: it's just almost like that never existed. You're not interested 218 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: in existing because there was a chance, you know, you 219 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: were probably worried in the show your character that you 220 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: would be outed, so you kind of ended up turning 221 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: him in. It was this whole like, wow, I can't 222 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: believe that people had to go through that, but it's 223 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: very real. I mean it's survival mode, right. 224 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Obviously reading that I was gootted a little bit. 225 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 2: You know, you want your you want your character to 226 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 2: be the nice guy in a way, and it was horrible. 227 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: But yeah, that scene where you see Wilkinson sort of 228 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 2: their little their little special place is that motel room. 229 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: That's where they meet up secretly, that's where they're allowed 230 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: to be themselves. And he's setting up, you know, a 231 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 2: date night, a meal, and he's just waiting there and 232 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: Solomon doesn't even say bye to him. He's just packs 233 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: up and leaves. And obviously he he lies to his 234 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: friend about you know, maybe thinking that Wilkinson was gay. 235 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 2: He doesn't go out and try and get him caught. 236 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: But that's I think part of his demise is the 237 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: guilt of what he's done to the person that he loves. 238 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah, it's powerful. What are you the most 239 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: proud of with your work in the show. 240 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: I'm proud that I don't really see myself too much. 241 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 2: I think I watch it and see the character that 242 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: I've created, which is great. I don't love watching myself back. 243 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: I know that some people, a lot of people don't. 244 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: But I'm also proud that, like, this show was such 245 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: a labor of love. It took it. We started filming 246 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: almost two and a half years ago, we had the 247 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: strikes in between, all of us changed so much as people, 248 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: and that the fact that, you know, all of us 249 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 2: put a lot of time and work into the show, 250 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: and it would have been so disheartening if the show 251 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: wasn't great. But I'm so proud of the show. I've 252 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 2: only watched the show once. I sort of like, I'm 253 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 2: liking this the memory of watching it and being so 254 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: proud of it. And then obviously we did the panel 255 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: the other day and saw all those Clipson played and 256 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: it was like I was refreshed to still enjoy the 257 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: scenes as much as I did when I watch it 258 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: the first time. So I'm just excited and sort of 259 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: like impatient for it to come out. 260 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: And it's gonna be an important show for many people. 261 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: And I love that there are so many you know, 262 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: proudly out gay actors who are playing these very bro masculine, 263 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: you know, by society type of roles, because that's not 264 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: always the option that actors are given. And I think 265 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: it's so cool and it's time we see more of 266 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: that and I love seeing that personally. Do you feel 267 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: like in your career you ever had to worry about 268 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: being gay? Playing gay? Was that a choice you had 269 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: to make at any point? 270 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: I think I think it's that unspoken thing about if 271 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: you come out, you might not be taken seriously for roles, 272 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 2: And I think it's unspoken because we just don't see 273 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: it necessarily. I think nowadays there's a lot more members 274 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: of our community that are playing lead roles as straight 275 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: or gay, and then the a lot of gay actors 276 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: that I guess do a lot of gay work. Whether 277 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: that's because for that, that's because they want, they feel 278 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: it's important to do that, or whether they're being pigeonholed, 279 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. I am really proud of this project 280 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: and I'm really glad that I got to play this 281 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: queer character, but yeah, i'd still I still want to explore, 282 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: like loads of different characters that don't necessarily want to, 283 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: you know, just play queer roles as a as a 284 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: as a gay actor. So yeah, I don't know how 285 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: it's how it's going to look for me. Hopefully that 286 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: won't be the case, but I'm I'm sort of hopeful. 287 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's something for you as a human, as Max. 288 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: You never thought twice about it. You never were like, 289 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be out because it could. 290 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: In fact, no, I did think that way at the start, 291 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 2: for sure, but I'm just so much happier now. 292 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: Nothing beat to that. 293 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's sort of worth it for me anyway. 294 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: Everyone has their own journeys, and you know, you might 295 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: not be surrounded by the people the right people to 296 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: come out, or you might not be surrounded by the 297 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 2: right you know, you might be in a professional like 298 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: sports where it's harder than you know, being an actor 299 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: to come out. So I understand that, but I personally, 300 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: I'm glad of how things are going. 301 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: You're so happy right now, so what makes you happy? 302 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 2: What makes me happy right now is literally the scheduling. 303 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: I'm so glad to finally have someone tell me what 304 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: to do. I got married in August this year, so 305 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: you know, I'm enjoying all the memories and because for work, 306 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: you know, we travel all over the place. I've got 307 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: I don't necessarily have a group of friends I grew 308 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: up with. I have a lot of two friends from 309 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: this job, three friends from here, and just to see 310 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: everyone at our wedding and just I just see them 311 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: on Instagram and now like all hanging out with each other, 312 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: which is quite cool, sort of like a reset into 313 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: appreciating things more. And I'm also happy that, like this 314 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 2: show that I've spent so long talking about to people 315 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: is finally coming out and it's sort of like a 316 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 2: big breath now and just sort of get on with 317 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: doing stuff. I think. I think I'm always aware of 318 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 2: the ticking clock. I sort of I'm one of these 319 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: people that, you know, really thinks about dying, Like when 320 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: I was a kid. I just think about dying because 321 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 2: it's that sort of thing like I need to leave 322 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 2: my mark on the world. So I'm always, you know, 323 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 2: ready to do the next thing. That's why I'm proud 324 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: of this show, because I feel like I'm starting to 325 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: do stuff that I'm you know, proud of. That's a 326 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: good feeling, right, Yeah, not dying is a great fit. 327 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: Well, please don't do that. We will be proud of 328 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: the work. Let's not die. Thank you? That would be great. 329 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: What what do you think people would be surprised to 330 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: know about you? I mean a lot of people are 331 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: meeting you through the show. You play someone that you 332 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: are in very much, not like who is Max without 333 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: this role or the non actor Max? Who are you 334 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: the non actor Max? 335 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: So I am a sort of dual personality Max, Like 336 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: I have this like fun wild wanting to like go 337 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: out and party, and I also like a proper homebody. 338 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: I love watching like movie marathons on the couch eating food. 339 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 2: I'm a big foodie luckily, like my partner in his 340 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: business goes to a lot of like openings of restaurants 341 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 2: and I get to sort of like try loads of 342 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: different cuisines and travel. So I'm a big foodie. And 343 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 2: something that people don't know about me probably was I 344 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: used to I used to do cheerleading when I was younger, 345 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: and I used to dance really yeah, I used to 346 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: bust the met what kind of dance? So I used 347 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 2: to compete. There's a dance style called disco in the UK, 348 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: and it's basically the most highly competitive like sequined outfits 349 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: like gymnastics basically in a circle and usually do the 350 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: same circuits as like ballroom. So the ballroom dancers will 351 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: be on the first day and we used to watch them, 352 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: and then we'd be the second day and they'd watch us. 353 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: And I just used to do it because I had 354 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 2: so much energy as a kid, and my sisters were 355 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,719 Speaker 2: doing it, and so like my parents basically just was like, 356 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: you're too difficult to hold on to while they're watching, 357 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: So they just sent me to the dance class. And 358 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 2: then both my sisters ended up quitting and I kept on. 359 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: So I was the one who took it up as 360 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: a career. 361 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: So you were pretty good at that, I did. 362 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: I did like five years in the West End, so 363 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: I did. I got all my dancing stuff out. Now 364 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: I can barely touch my toes, so I don't think 365 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: i'd got back into it. But yeah, I was in 366 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: like Matilda in the musical I Think Guys and Dolls. 367 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: I worked with Cynthia Revo. We did a musical, the 368 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: X Factor musical called I Can't Sing. It was sort 369 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: of this like fast musical written by a comedian called 370 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 2: Harry Hill, and it was the strangest, funniest thing like 371 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: Simon Cowell was an alien trying to like steal money 372 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 2: for his planet. I stopped like Cynthia getting through the audition. 373 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 2: There was this like huge blow up mouth at the 374 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: back of the stage and I came in as a 375 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 2: fly and like humped a tongue. It was just the 376 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 2: weirdest show. But yeah, we got to do like stuff 377 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: like the Royal Variety performances and as a break that's 378 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: just like a big tick. So I sort of got 379 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: everything out of theater that I really wanted to do. 380 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: And then the thing with me saying that about Adhd 381 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: is I get bored so easily. And with TV and film, 382 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: I think you just in one day the next day 383 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: is completely different. You know, you could be getting hit 384 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: by a car one day, the next day you're playing 385 00:20:54,200 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 2: a vet. So yeah, I wasn't quite Billy Elliott, but 386 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: had a little dance in me. 387 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: But you did it. You did it. I'm sure there's 388 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: some good video of you out there doing it all. Yeah, 389 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: don't now we're going to all be on YouTube trying 390 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: to buy it. That's amazing. It's so interesting that you 391 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: brought up having adoh a few times, but you're in 392 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: a profession that requires such focus and learning so much 393 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: so quickly and rewrites, and you know you have to 394 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: be so in tune and present for it is that 395 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: harder to do or easier to do because of it. 396 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: Weirdly, I think it's almost like I knew that this 397 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: should have been my career because this is kind of 398 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: the only thing that I'm never bored of, so therefore 399 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: it makes me I can focus and learn lines and 400 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: do all the stuff that I need to do on set, 401 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: because I think the problem is because I care so much, 402 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: it's hard to let go when things don't go your way. 403 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: You can become a bit of like your own worst 404 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: enemy when it comes to like acting. But I think 405 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: it's also superpower because I think you're able to read 406 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: people a lot because you're constantly thinking about what people 407 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: are thinking about. So yeah, I'm I'm seeing it as 408 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: a good thing in my profession, and I think a 409 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: lot of people who have ADHD usually go into creative work. 410 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: For sure, it's sort. 411 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 2: Of like an outleok to just vomit all your talents. 412 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome that you look 413 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: at it as almost a positive and something that's enhancing 414 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: your career and making you who you are, which I 415 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: think is right on. It's all they're all parts of 416 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: us and we have to honor them for sure. Is 417 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: there anyone whose career you look at and you're like, man, 418 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: I just so respect that, and like that's the vibe 419 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: I would love. I mean, you're your own artist, of course, 420 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: on your own journey, but does anyone out there just 421 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: kind of like have that special something to you. 422 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Leo and Michael Vossbender, of course, 423 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: but I think I think right now, I think it's 424 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: really brave what Jonathan Bailey is doing. He sort of 425 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: had this moment where he's just at the top of 426 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: his game and now he's just you know, taking a 427 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: break just to focus on himself for a little bit. 428 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: I think that's really brave. And he's also you know, 429 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 2: playing a lead as a gay man, so you know, 430 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: that's sort of inspiring, I guess for a lot of us. 431 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: And he's very talented, you know, I watched I first 432 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 2: discovered him when I was watching a show in the 433 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: West End called Company, and it was the gender reversed version. 434 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 2: So he was playing this famous character he's usually played 435 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: a bride, but he's getting married, and I just remember 436 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: he was outstanding, and then they were like, oh, well 437 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 2: have you heard he's going to be in this new 438 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: show called Bridgeton. So yeah, I've sort of followed him 439 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: from there from Afar, so yeah, I'd love to have 440 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: some of his success. 441 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's funny because I was just telling my 442 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: team here that you very much remind me of him. 443 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: I've interviewed him a few times. He's a very nice guy. 444 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: We speak from time to time, and there's a lot 445 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: of similarities I see between the two of you. Great, 446 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: not just you know, being gay, like just who like 447 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: your performances and your work and how you conduct yourselves 448 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: and all of it. So I think that there could 449 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: be a very similar parallel there. 450 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: Well, maybe I can get back in the Fierro straps. 451 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: Were you ever in them? 452 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: No? 453 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, you played Fierro? 454 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: No? No, I I don't have a high voice. Okay, 455 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: I think like you on the lower side. 456 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: All right, So there's one thing you can't do, I 457 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: guess in your. 458 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you go have one. 459 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, fair enough. So for everybody who's going to 460 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: be streaming Boots over and over, again, because, like I said, 461 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: it's going to resonate with so many people. What for 462 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 1: you is your takeaway for anyone watching who feels maybe 463 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: not worthy or unseen or not good enough, Like, what 464 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: would you say to them? 465 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: I think watching the show, every single person, whether they're 466 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: like the most confident in the room, whether they're the 467 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: shyst in the room, they all have something that they're 468 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: not proud of or that they're hiding or that they're 469 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 2: scared of. We're all very similar and we don't know it. 470 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: And I think in the show, everyone seems to find 471 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: an answer to their problems from the most unexpected people, 472 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: and I think that's sort of true in life, you 473 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: know you. I think you can find similarities in this 474 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: world with anyone, and it's sort of that like human 475 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 2: connection side that we sort of lack, and we stick 476 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: in our bubbles and we sort of closed off to 477 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 2: new things. And I think what's great in the show 478 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: is that there's so many different characters from all different 479 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: backgrounds and races and religions, and by the end of it, 480 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: they're all best friends. They've all learned to put differences 481 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 2: aside and make it to the end. So in a 482 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 2: cheesy way life gets better with diversity. M was that cheesy? 483 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: No? I love that, Okay, I love that imprint and 484 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: it's right on. I mean it's right on, and that's 485 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: one of many beautiful messages in the show. So I 486 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: think that's really cool. Max. The name of the show 487 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: is called I've Never said this before, and it was 488 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: born because I cover a lot of our carpets and 489 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 1: quick sit downs through other jobs I have that just yeah, 490 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: it's not the most real natural conversation. It's a lot 491 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: of bites that people need, and you guys get asked 492 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: the same stuff because every show needs a different bite, 493 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: and I mean sometimes it bores me. I'm not gonna lie. 494 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: So I came up with this idea where I bring 495 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: people on and we get to learn a little bit 496 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: more about who they are. And I asked them this question, 497 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: which is, what is one thing you've never said before 498 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: that can mean anything to you? But it just gives 499 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: you a chance to say something that you want to 500 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: say that you don't get to say quite often. 501 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: So I mean, I literally was going to say that 502 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: as a dancer, but you've already suck that out of me. 503 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 2: So trying to think of another one. What have I 504 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: never said before? I think that is one thing that 505 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: I've never said that I don't usually talk about, is 506 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: this sort of like the anxiety that I know a 507 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 2: lot of my actors actor friends feel. And it's that 508 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: sort of it's that sort of thing where we all 509 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: sort of fake it till you make it. You know, 510 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: that social media version of yourself is always like the 511 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: positive stuff. And I know that a lot of my friends, 512 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: even when they're going through like a tough time, will 513 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: put on this face and try and post them at 514 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 2: a premiere because it makes them feel like and right now, 515 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: for actors, it's so tough, so tough that the not 516 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: many people want to take chances and lose money. So 517 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 2: it's almost about, you know, getting a name for yourself 518 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: in order to let people take a chance on you. 519 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 2: So I am. I think one thing that I want 520 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: to do more with my actor friends as well is 521 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 2: like help each other out, try and create stuff ourselves, 522 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 2: because I think people just look at maybe look at 523 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 2: actors and the glamorous side of Hollywood and think that 524 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 2: it's you know, superphone and maybe easy, and it's not. 525 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: It's tough. 526 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: Yeah it is, And I like that it's trying to 527 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: take a little control back in an industry where you 528 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: don't always have the most control. And I think a 529 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: lot of people in different professions probably feel that. It's 530 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: not just actors, it's many jobs. You feel that way, 531 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: And it's like, what can I do to make me 532 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: feel like I can control it a little bit, or 533 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: insert my creative vision or make something happen for myself, 534 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: which I think is important. 535 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: And just the understanding that there's a lot a lot 536 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: of us are in a lot of us are in 537 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 2: a similar situation in terms of, like, you know, anxiety 538 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 2: about the future of actors. You know, there's an AII 539 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: actress now being Tilly. 540 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: Don't even bring Tilly up. You will trigger me. I 541 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: cannot like, I don't want nothing to do with Tilly. 542 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: Go away, Tilly. 543 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, Tilly nothing, Nope, Okay. 544 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: I like that we have to look out for each other, 545 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: right and anything that ease anxiety. I'm all about, Max. 546 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: Before we go, one last little glimpse into who you are. 547 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: Favorite food, favorite song, and favorite movie right now at 548 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: this moment in time. 549 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: Right now, this moment time, my favorite movie will it's 550 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: a toss up. I'm obsessed with Lord of the Rings, 551 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: and you can't pick three, so I'm gonna have to 552 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: just say, if you watch them all together, it can 553 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: be one movie, The Lord of the Rings. My favorite 554 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: song right now it's probably Ray Where is My Husband? 555 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 2: She's incredible. I've followed her since she was singing on 556 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 2: like dance songs and obviously she sort of like stuck 557 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: it to the man and did her own thing, and 558 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: now she's creating all this amazing music. So proud to 559 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 2: be British when I see Ray doing it on my 560 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: favorite food, I love Thai food, and my favorite dish 561 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 2: probably would be like drunken noodles. Oh, good choice, spicy, 562 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: big fat noodles. 563 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: Good choice, good choice. I love it. I love it. Max. Well, 564 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: thank you so much for hanging out today. I'm I'm 565 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: psyched for the show. I'm psyched for you. I think 566 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: this is the start of an amazing chapter of your life. 567 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: And I love when people who do great work also 568 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: stand for great things. And I think through just being yourself, 569 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: you're helping a lot of people out there, and then 570 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: the day and age we need it. So I'm just 571 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: psyched for it all. 572 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: Oh, thanks man, Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. 573 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: I'm popping my podcast, Jery. 574 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: Well, I hope it was nice and easy for you. 575 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: It was seven out of ten okay, great, goodbye, goodbye. 576 00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: Until the Next time I Ever Said This Before is 577 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: hosted by Me Tommy Dedario. This podcast is executive produced 578 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by Me Tommy, with 579 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is 580 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: part of the Elvis Duran podcast network on iHeart Podcasts. 581 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and 582 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: if you liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time, 583 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm Tommy de Dario.