1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexis 7 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is time for our 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: weekly listener mail segment and we have some doozies for 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: you today, folks. Before we begin, though, I would like 12 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: to I would like to put out a very special 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: thank you to everybody who responded with clarifications on our 14 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: previous last week's Strange News where we talked a little 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: bit about ghost guns. Thank you for everybody who took 16 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: the time to write in with those clarifications. Uh. We 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: look forward. We always look forward to this because this 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,559 Speaker 1: these kinds of messages are mission critical to our show, 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: and more importantly, uh, they're helpful to your fellow conspiracy realists. 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: So please look forward to episode that's going to be 21 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: coming out in a few weeks yeah, days for sure, 22 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: called the rise of ghost guns. Yeah, And I would 23 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: just say, personally, Um, you know, I listened to back 24 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: to a few parts of that, and I can see 25 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: where the criticism was coming from on my part, so 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: I just want to say, here, we hear you. I 27 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: hear you, and um, we're we're going to address some 28 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: of those things. Now, what did you do? I would 29 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: just say, on my part, what I did and what 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: was I I think I may have conflated a little 31 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: bit of my story with Ben's story, maybe two much, 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: So that's on me. Um, and did I didn't mean 33 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: to do that. I think it was overall confusing. So 34 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: I see, and as usual, I was out of my 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: mind on ether typical bed, typical, typical, typical. I gotta 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: I gotta ask that I've heard a little bit about 37 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: ghost guns just in the news recently, and how it 38 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: was the first time I heard the term. I think 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: because it was coming up, you know, in the wake 40 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: of some of these recent mass shootings in terms of like, 41 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: here's the thing that we can make illegal, right and 42 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: probably would be an easy fix at least for that 43 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: type of thing. There's probably a lot more to be done. 44 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: But that certainly seems like one that's problematic. But it 45 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: reminds me of the movie. Oh, I think it's called 46 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: In the Line of Fire. Yeah, yeah, where Clean Eastwood 47 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: plays uh a F B or C I agent who 48 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: was protecting John F. Kennedy and you know, like failed 49 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: and then in the modern day he's like a grizzled 50 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: kind of bitter old man, you know, Clean Eastwood, um 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: and John Malkovitch plays this like genius assassin who has 52 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: this like plastic composite gun that he, you know, can 53 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: sneak through security and then he hides the bullet in 54 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: a Lucky Rabbits fire. I don't think that's the same 55 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: as ghost guns, but I kind of that's what I 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: always think of when I hear that geez, spoilers. No, well, 57 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: it's it's a spoiler on Clint Eastwood's range. Do you 58 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: want him as grizzled or extra grizzled? Yeah, it's it is. 59 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: It's like going, uh, well, h he's a great American 60 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: actor and director and a great American let's just leave 61 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: it at that. Well, I've never met him, but Grand 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: Torino is a fantastic film. Get off my one, so 63 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: so yes, thank you. We do as we said, read 64 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: every email we get to, every piece of correspondence. Uh. 65 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: They're important to us because your time is important, and 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: you have taken the time to reach out to us 67 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: and in that way to reach out to your fellow listeners. 68 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: So the least that we can do is gratefully take 69 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: the time to hear you and hear what you have 70 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: to say. With that in mind, UH, today we're going 71 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: to hear from We're gonna hear from several of our 72 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realists. And I've got to say, you know, 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: no knowing who we're gonna be, you know, vicariously speaking 74 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: with today, I think uh, I think the correspondent that 75 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: you chose has my favorite name because they're the only 76 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: one who like picked a nickname. Uh that's not true, 77 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: though there's two in there. This week we have been 78 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: getting some doozy nicknames. So I guess that you would 79 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: like me to to to go first. I am absolutely 80 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: fine with us. Uh. My listener mail comes from someone 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: who very specifically asked not to be named by name, 82 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 1: but signed this email. I'm just gonna read the email 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: and then do the sign off, because you really need 84 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: to hear the content before you understand the meaning of 85 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: the nickname. Uh, and it goes a little something like this, Hi, guys, 86 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: thanks for all the quality entertainment this past year. I 87 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: was wondering if you could touch upon the possibility of 88 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: fur farms in China, not labs, being the source of 89 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and variants. It seems to me that this 90 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: is the most likely source for the outbreak, and China 91 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: is the current world leader in mink for best concerned mink, 92 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: concerned men, mink, a concerned mink. Yeah, I completely agree, 93 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: and minks to me always kind of have the appearance 94 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: of being concerned because it turns out there good for 95 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: a lot of things, uh, not just making mink coats, 96 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: which I thought for it really fallen out of fashion, 97 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: even with like the high end you know, bespoke fashion lines. 98 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: It seems like sort of a no no, right, Like 99 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: don't you get red paint throw on you if you 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: walk down the street in a fur coat or a 101 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: mink stole. Uh? Well, it depends on where you go, 102 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: because we have you know, a lot of different parts 103 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 1: of the world have different opinions about not just animal rights, 104 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: but also what does or does not qualify as like 105 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 1: high fashion versus something ghosh. So the fur indie street 106 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: at least pre pandemic, the fur industry was still doing 107 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: pretty well. They're always going to be moves to uh 108 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,679 Speaker 1: prevent that practice of growing animals and slaughtering them prefer 109 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of money to be made. There's 110 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: more money to be made selling those coats than there 111 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: is to stop selling them. As cold as that sounds, 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: would you guys agree, no, I would, And into your point, Ben, 113 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: in terms of cultural uh, you know, mileage may vary 114 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: situations in terms of opinions on for I mean that's 115 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: true of like what would or would not be considered food, 116 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, like you know, for in some Asian countries, 117 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: like dogs are slaughtered pretty regularly, um for for meat. Uh, 118 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: and that is very much the case with fur as well. UM. 119 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: In China, the main species that are harvested for their 120 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: fur our mink, fox, and raccoon dog um and respect 121 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: of a According to a fabulous article that the concerned 122 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: Minks sent us on the Conversation, seventeen and twelve million 123 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: respective animals slaughtered each year. Uh. And that's from so 124 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: that would be twenty one million mink why far the 125 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: largest number UM in that in that group of most 126 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: popular animals to harvest for their fur. And as we know, 127 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: in many situations like with these wet markets that we've 128 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: heard so much about, there isn't as much environmental, humanitarian, 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: or even sanitary oversight over some of these facilities in 130 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: Asian countries, in China in particular, and because of that, 131 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: it does lead to some situations that could result in 132 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: UM virus is being spread unexpectedly, especially when there's like 133 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: a new you know, variant of one. Because it turns 134 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: out that minx, which are referred to as amused lids. 135 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: Have you guys heard of this mimmu m U s 136 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: t E l ideas I've never heard that word before, 137 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: are susceptible to the stars c O V two virus um, 138 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: which is which is the coronavirus um. And there's you know, 139 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: more science e specifics in this article if you want 140 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: to get more into the minutia of it. But it 141 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: makes a pretty good case as to how this could 142 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: have resulted from an unchecked mink farming operation rather than 143 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: specifically that wet market. UH. And it is UM It 144 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: has to do with the fact that, as we know, um, 145 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: the coronavirus is a zoo aotic disease. It can bounce 146 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: from an animal to a different species like a human, 147 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: and that's what makes it particularly dangerous and easy to spread. 148 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: And this also means to be clear that animals can 149 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: spread uh, this infection to one another humans of course, 150 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: is the part we focus on. But musclids are it's 151 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: it's umbrella term. It's a family of everything from otters 152 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: to wolverines to badgers, ferrets and Martin's as well. Yeah, 153 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, um concerned mink is raising a very 154 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: important point. It's something that other places have speculated um 155 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: about in the West, like National Geographic also did an 156 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: article where they asked whether there was a missing link 157 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: in these fur farms. And honestly, to steal a line 158 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: from our buddy Neil's, the thing about the origin and 159 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: spread of COVID nineteen is that at this point it's 160 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: such a recent and ongoing event that there's still a 161 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: lot of questions people are trying to answer, and asking 162 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: those questions does not necessarily make you, uh, you know, 163 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: the next candidate for a tinfoil hat. I think a 164 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: lot of people actually you know what a lot of 165 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: people might not remember. Uh they there's maybe the stereotype 166 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: that's wrapped up in a little bit of late and racism. Uh. 167 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: That said, that makes people assume that China is the 168 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: world's number one exporter of of mink and specific that's 169 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: not true. It's Denmark and that's why, like not too 170 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: long ago, they slaughtered fifteen seventeen million minks because some 171 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: a tested positive for a variant of coronavirus. I mean, 172 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: it's a really it's a very real concern. Like you 173 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 1: were saying, no, Uh, these animals are vulnerable to this 174 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: and they can spread it to humans. So even if 175 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: the origin of covid in mustelids was, you know, attributable 176 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: to what scientists currently believe it's attributable to, that doesn't 177 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: mean that it couldn't have made that leap from someone 178 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: working in one of these fur farms. That's right. And um, 179 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: it's interesting because study, a recent study showed that in fact, 180 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: quite a few species are susceptible to the star's code 181 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: to including primates and other carnivores um. But the authors 182 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: of the study, Uh again, this is from this article 183 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: in The Conversation. UM want to make it clear to 184 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: not over interpret these types of predictions and use it 185 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: as a means of spreading kind of alarmism, but also 186 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: just you know, kind of be aware. It said that specifically, 187 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: the quote is uh. They wanted to stress the importance 188 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: of avoiding over interpreting the predictions put forward and point 189 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: out that the experimental and observational data in the field 190 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: are required. So it's like, Okay, yes, we know that 191 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: these animals are susceptible, but we need to actually track, 192 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, the spread of this through these uh, these 193 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: various animal communities before you know, rushing to judgment and 194 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: thinking this is definitely what it's all about. Um, but 195 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. Over are all infectious diseases. 196 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: They are up significantly from the mid twentieth century, and 197 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: they're particularly um prevalent in parts of the world that 198 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: are let's just say affected by the human race. Um, 199 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, where man is kind of bulldozing natural areas, 200 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: um and limiting animal biodiversity let's just say, and capturing 201 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: wild animals. And that's why I think the wet market 202 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: with such a target is because that is a hot 203 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: spot or a hub where there's tons of different species 204 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: all kind of commingling, sometimes in cages right on top 205 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: of each other. We've talked about this in some of 206 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: our COVID nineteen episodes. Uh, and that can lead to 207 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,119 Speaker 1: the spread of these these diseases. Yeah, for sure, that's 208 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: That's the thing that I think a lot of people 209 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: need to understand. There's a nuance here. So yes, the 210 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: World Health Organization concluded that the odds of a lab 211 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: manufactured origin of COVID are very very low. It's highly 212 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: unlikely that that happened. But there are still these very 213 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: serious unanswered questions about exactly when, where, and how stars 214 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: UH COVID nineteen first got into human beings, how it 215 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: made the leap, and one thing that could happen I 216 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: would I would argue, and I think this goes to 217 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: your question concerned me on one thing that could easily 218 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: have happened and actually probably did happen, is that wet 219 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: markets or regions where people were interacting with wild animals 220 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: became these clusters, like these secondary clusters, so an additional explosion, 221 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: right that further gassed up the spread of the infection. 222 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm saying that human being was infected by COVID nineteen 223 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: at a wet market or at a fur factory or 224 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: something like that is not the same thing as saying 225 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: that is definitely the origin. But looking at the math, 226 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: looking at the science, looking at the vectors, it had 227 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: to have happened. It had to have been spreading. And 228 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: then yes, it's terrible for the business to have to 229 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: destroy a bunch of minks like Denmark did. But what 230 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: what other choice are you gonna have. What are you 231 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: gonna tell somebody who is wait desperately hoping and praying 232 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: that they're dying relative can get a ventilator? Are you 233 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: going to tell them? Sorry, I'm a I'm a cope man. 234 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate here that no matter what 235 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: you believe the origins are of this pandemic. You know, 236 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen and all of this, the best experts appointed 237 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: by the w h OH, by all of these organizations 238 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: that you may not even necessarily trust, all are saying 239 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: that we don't have the full answers. We have most 240 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: likely probabilities essentially based on what we have found, what 241 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: we can prove. So you know, if you're feeling if 242 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: you're still feel a little weird about it, that's okay. 243 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: But you know, just remember that nobody knows right now, 244 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: but we're still trying to track it down. That's exactly right. 245 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: And Uh, all of this anti Asian sentiment, you know, 246 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: and the rhetoric around it and the actual actions that 247 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: has led to in certain members of the population, UM 248 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: is just heartbreaking because it's, you know, whatever the case 249 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: might be, if there are conditions that might make these 250 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: markets and these types of factories and our factory farming 251 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: situations more susceptible to spreading these kinds of viruses, is 252 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: certainly of no fault of the you know, individual human 253 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: beings that live in that country. UM. So that kind 254 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: of misplaced anger just really boggles my mind. But one 255 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: thing that interesting about this type of disease, this is 256 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: zoonotic virus, is it can be traveled. It can travel 257 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: both ways, like humans can get animals sick with it 258 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: as well. We have had cases. I think you guys 259 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: might remember there was a tiger. I think it was 260 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: in the Detroit Zoo, but I might be wrong. Uh. 261 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: There have been cases of found in domestic cats and dogs. Uh. 262 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: And and also there's a cat captive lions I believe, uh, 263 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: and farmed minx and guerrillas, where it's humans that are 264 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: actually giving the disease to the animal, the virus to 265 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: the animals. And that's called reverse zoonosis. And that's exactly right. 266 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: I knew was a b thing, Um, I said, d 267 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: I said, Detroit, I'm just wrong, Matt, you got me 268 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: um uh. And this is particularly true of these must 269 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: lets or muselets. How however, the pronunciation goes um. And 270 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: I think this is something that is potentially of concern 271 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: to try in his economy because you know, this, uh, 272 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: this fur farming industry is is quite a lucrative operation, 273 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: you know, and and it accounts for quite a bit 274 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: of of income for the economy. And there are discussions 275 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: being had as to whether more oversight needs to be 276 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: brought to it, or whether it needs to be shut 277 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: down or certain operations need to be shut down. So 278 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: it's something to kind of keep an eye on. But 279 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure that it is making some proprietors of these 280 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: facilities pretty nervous. Let's just plant more hemp, guys, Let's 281 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: make more hemp clothes and get rid of the fur. 282 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: Let's do it. It's a shame you can't plant either, 283 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: you know what. I mean you mon um, it's got 284 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: an ether farm up in the up in the foothills, exactly. 285 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: We can keep this one short. I think we, you know, 286 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: because again I think people are kind of getting COVID 287 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: fatigue at this point. But I do think this is 288 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: an interesting development and something to keep an eye on. 289 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: So thank you, too, concerned Mink for passing this one 290 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: along too. I said, we're gonna take quick sponsor break 291 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: and be right back with more strange news. And we're back, 292 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: and without any kind of introduction, let's just listen to 293 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: the message left to us by our good friend Mal. 294 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: Hey guys, um, but this is what I had an 295 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: interesting thing to your Strange News podcast, which I love, 296 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: by the way. It's been all a couple of weeks 297 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: ago here in Vancouver and basically a couple of or 298 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: three actually Masonic halls got burnt down by one guy. 299 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm really looked into. It's his mode. I can't really 300 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: find much of why he did it or anything if 301 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: he was a Freemason or whatever. But I thought if 302 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: you could find anything out, or if you have any 303 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: discussion points on that would be pretty interesting. Um, you 304 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: can use my voice on the if you if you 305 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: want to, you can refer to me as Mel Reynolds. 306 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: That's not my name, but I'm a big thanks guys, 307 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: love you what see you let him? Now I see 308 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: what you're saying. Uh now, now I see what you're saying, Matt, 309 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: about that nickname. I thought it'd be more fun if 310 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: you discovered it. You were that moment call me Mel Reynolds. 311 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: That's uh, one of my favorite characters ever put to 312 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: the screen, or the small one, or we played it 313 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: on a big one in vie. So this is something 314 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: that I had Definitely I was not aware of this. 315 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: This is pretty troubling. I saw one little news segment 316 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: on it flash past the r slash news reddit subreddit, 317 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: and uh clicked on it, looked for a second, but 318 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: there was no information of what was going on when 319 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: I first looked at it. This is again, as Mal said, 320 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: several weeks ago, and actually it was a while ago 321 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: now at this point, but I don't know. I figured 322 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: we'd at least discuss and I found a few others 323 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: waras that I want to mention before we finish this 324 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: whole section here. So let's start with the most recent 325 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: fires that were occurring in Masonic lodges in Vancouver, and 326 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: this is around March, like late March of when this 327 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: is occurring. So first I'm gonna jump to a Vice 328 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: News article. It is titled police investigating Arson's after three 329 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: Masonic temples in Vancouver set on fire. And as you 330 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: go through this um you can see that there are 331 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: a few places. The Masonic Lynn Valley Lodge in North Vancouver, 332 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: there was a fire there early early in the morning, 333 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: around sixty Then fifteen minutes later they were at another lodge, 334 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: this time Duke of Connat Lodge number of sixty four. 335 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: Then fifteen minutes after that, so we're talking one too, 336 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: three within the span of forty five minutes. Uh. Fifteen 337 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: minutes later at twelve kilometers away, Park Lodge Massonic Center 338 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: went up in flames. But this one wasn't. That third 339 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: one wasn't damaged quite as much as the others. So obviously, 340 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: right off the bat, if you're an investigator or if 341 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: you're you know, someone working, you're a fire person, and 342 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: you're responding to these things, you're on a rescue team 343 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: or something something is wrong, right, you're getting all of 344 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: these emergency calls coming in. You realize, okay, there's a 345 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,959 Speaker 1: targeting that's happening here. Very quickly, though, one man was 346 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: picked up, and at least according to the story, he 347 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: was seen walking away from one of the scenes by 348 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: a few witnesses. So CBC reported, and I'm gonna jump 349 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: over to an article from them. It is titled Alleged 350 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: arsonist arrested after three fires at Masonic lodges in Metro 351 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: Vancouver area, and I'm going to read directly from this 352 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: article says that the arrest came after an off duty 353 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: police officer driving past one of these Masonic temples that 354 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: have been targeted. He noticed a man walking away from 355 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: the building as it burned, and uh, he was like, hmmm, 356 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: that's interesting. And you can actually see video. I wasn't 357 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: able to locate this exact video that's referenced here, but 358 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: there's a video allegedly that shows one of the temples 359 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: on fire. This alleged person is walking away carrying what 360 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: they call a jerry can so like a gasoline canister, 361 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: and you think, oh, likely, suspect bits us. And in 362 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: that occurrence, a man got away, but he they ended 363 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: up catching up to him and they put him under arrest. 364 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: And you can only imagine how many more of these 365 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: fires would have occurred if this person didn't get arrested 366 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 1: pretty quickly, because again, three fires in forty five minutes, 367 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: that's efficient and someone on a mission. And just like 368 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: that Dre and Eminem song, I believe he was caught 369 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: literally holding a camp full of gas. There you go, 370 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: it's exactly like that Dre song is Eminem in that one. Yeah, yeah, 371 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: canful of gas, a handful of matches, still one found out. 372 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: Yeah it's true and it's really good man, but thank you. 373 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 1: But I I'm just saying that because it sounds like 374 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: something that doesn't usually happen in real life. He was 375 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: found literally holding a can. And one thing that may 376 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: be familiar to our listeners of Vancouver that is pretty depressing. 377 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: I think to some of us is that we know 378 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 1: this guy's name and I hate to say it, but 379 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: he is a Ben. He has a fellow Ben. I 380 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: apologize on behalf of everybody for Benjamin Coleman. I have 381 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: a plot twist for you, Matt, Noel and Doc if 382 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: you check the chat. First off, I found his Facebook 383 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: page and he really did, because Ben's are tight like that, 384 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: and I well, we have a bend sense and uh, 385 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: the legally we have to say this guy is not 386 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: being convicted of anything yet, right, But I would draw 387 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: your attention to a post he made on March or 388 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: at least this Facebook page. I think it's him. I 389 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: think it's him, but uh, I don't have hard confirmation yet. 390 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: Just a lot of things seemed to indicate this is 391 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: the guy's personal page. March thirty, he posted publicly quote 392 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: I just cleaned three Satanic clubhouses and nobody could do anything. 393 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: Whoa he cleaned him? Actually that quote is referenced by 394 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: Victoria News Ben, So I think you're right on the money. 395 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,239 Speaker 1: So I guess it must be him, you know, and 396 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: it's um it's a lesson an ops set if nothing 397 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: else that was made on the day of the fires too, 398 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: which is a shame. Do we know much about his 399 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: uh motivation? I believe that journalists found he had been 400 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: pretty deep into some ant Masonic theories earlier. And yes, 401 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: in the Victoria News they've posted an article that says 402 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,919 Speaker 1: online posts appear to link alleged arsinis to Masonic hall 403 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: fires in Metro Vancouver, and it goes into a few 404 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: other things like they're just saying he has a plethora 405 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: quote plethora of other conspiracy theory posts questioning everything from 406 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: five G to the moon landing to whether the Earth 407 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: is around Is he a flat earther? Maybe? Uh? And 408 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: now that was a very sexy Oh you just did this. Sorry, 409 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: I didn't mean quiet for our caller from oh Man. 410 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, the thing that stands out about 411 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: this is, first off, believing in something that most of 412 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: the other people in the planet don't believe in. It 413 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: just don't necessarily mean you are mentally ill, no, I, 414 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: but these sort of actions are indicative of at least 415 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: some sort of instability, right unless there's something some other 416 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: intervening variable of which we're not aware, like maybe personal 417 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: abuse by someone who in his childhood, by someone who 418 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: became Amazon. Maybe you know that's that's just an example. 419 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: But there are any number of things that can function 420 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: as a tipping point or a threshold for these sorts 421 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: of falling down moments. I'm referencing the film, Yeah, I 422 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: remember that is a great well film for me. So 423 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,719 Speaker 1: what happens now he's in custody. You also said there 424 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: was something else to the story with Masonic halls before 425 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: this occurred. I did, and I'm gonna do this so fast. Been. Uh, 426 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: this guy, we didn't mention he was there. We we 427 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: mentioned that he was seen carrying a jerry can. He 428 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: ended up getting in a fight with a police officer, 429 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: arson MP officer. So he's been charged with one count 430 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: of arson, the one that they saw him at and 431 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: assaulting an officer of the law. So that's what's happening 432 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: right now with Ben other Ben, this guy Coldman, and Uh, 433 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: there's to be more to the story, but right now 434 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: we don't have much more to report. There. What I 435 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: would draw your attention to if you go to Freemason's 436 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: for Dummies dot blog spot dot com. If anyone remembers 437 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: the book Freemason's for Dummies, it's fantastic. I would recommend it. Um. 438 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: This is just a blog spot, I guess dedicated to 439 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: this book series, and there's just a small little post 440 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: there from June. There's an Oklahoma Masonic hall they got 441 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: hit by arson. And then I started going down a 442 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: rabbit hole of seeing all of these cases of arson 443 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: at Masonic halls and other Masonic temples and places of 444 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: you know, just meeting places, places of worship. Fascinating, how 445 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: they've been targeted over over the years that the Internet 446 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: has been popular. And the earliest craziest thing I saw 447 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: comes from and this comes out of Manchester, New Hampshire. 448 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: It's an AP news story. We're not going to go 449 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: fully into this story, but this is something you can 450 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: look up in something that I want to do maybe 451 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: a bigger story on feels like there's a rabbit hole here. 452 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: The title of the article is Mason's Rocked by embezzlement, 453 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: death threats, fire bombs, murder, and it opens with a 454 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: man who was found dead in his burning house, who 455 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: was uncovering a series of embezzlement cases at his own 456 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: Masonic lodge. Right, sounds like the plot of like an 457 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: episode of some sort of procedural crime show. Yeah, let's 458 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: make a whole other podcast, guys, or let's do a 459 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: whole episode on it. It feels really great to me. Uh, 460 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: there's lots of stuff to look up, So anyway, we'll 461 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: leave you there. Thanks so much, Mel Reynolds. We are 462 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: going to take a quick break, will be right back, 463 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: and we have returned. We did not come alone here, 464 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: We're coming along with Dan. Dan. Here's what you said, 465 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: low guys, absolutely love the show. You guys do an 466 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: amazing job. I love the riffing. Thank you for buttering 467 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: us up there, Dan, I just listened to an episode 468 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: of The Journal podcast by Wall Street Journal that discussed 469 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: get this guy's Ellen Musk's space X complex in Boca Chica, Texas. 470 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: Mind blow? That's all Dan? You know? Little known fact. 471 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: Dan is a ghostwriter for both Dr DRE and M 472 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: and m uh He describes He describes this, Uh, the 473 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: story is the following uh quote, A mind blowing story 474 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: of SpaceX coming to town and taking over. The Next step, 475 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 1: he says, is incorporation of the town and potentially seizing 476 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 1: the last remnants of property through eminent domain. Looks like 477 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: they are a few s ups ahead of blockchains LLC 478 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: and Nevada Nevada, Sorry everyone, uh creating a corporate autonomous government. 479 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: Give it a listen. Let me know what you think. 480 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: Maybe worth a listener mail or strange news discussion. Dan, 481 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: I had not heard anything about this. Had you guys 482 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: heard about this? Not at all? Nope. I was aware 483 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: of you know, we we were aware of the legislation 484 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: with innovation zones, which got you know, jammed up after 485 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: public criticism. Uh, but the story of SpaceX without being alarmist, 486 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: while the story of Boca Chica really is is troubling. 487 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: Residents are facing pressure from local officials in the you know, 488 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: in the in the government, and from operators in SpaceX 489 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: to sell their property. Right now, as of last week, 490 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: SpaceX has purchased more than a hundred parcels of land 491 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: in the area. This is public record, this has been confirmed, 492 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: and it mostly uses that land to house SpaceX employees. 493 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: But then several other residents are saying when they were 494 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: speaking with Wall Street Journal, they're saying SpaceX had come 495 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: to them time and time again trying to buy their property, 496 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: and they're worried things might get ugly for the people 497 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: who refuse to sell their homesteads. This happens all the time, right, 498 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: It happens all the time for for a company moving 499 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: in to try to buy up somebody's land, right like 500 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: a Walmarts being built. Someone comes in and says, our 501 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: footprint is going to have to be this many acres, 502 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: we need to buy up this much stuff around it, right, 503 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: And that's not necessarily nefarious, that's how business works. But 504 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: the issue here is one of maybe mission creep. You 505 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: could call it because how like, at what threshold does 506 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: something become a company town. We talked about the Blockchains 507 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: LLC proposal. We've also talked about the Red Greek Improvement District, 508 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: which is probably the most successful version of a corporate 509 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: or a company town, and that is owned by the 510 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: Big Mouse. So everybody be kind, don't get us sued 511 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: into the ground. But here's where we're at right now 512 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: in Boca Chica Village. They're in Texas. Would you care 513 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: to guess you guys probably already know. Would you care 514 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: to guess how many people live there that are not 515 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: connected to SpaceX zero seven? You guys both like, I 516 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: know we're going low, but you're so close. It's amazing. 517 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: About fourteen people, Matt, you win seven homes two people each. 518 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: I yeah, So they're there. Are these stories that are 519 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: coming out, and one of them comes from a local 520 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: named Celia Johnson. She told the journal that she started 521 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: having issues with employees of SpaceX when she rejected their 522 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: attempt to buy two of her houses or two of 523 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: her properties rather that were near the launch site. And 524 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: then uh a huge water tank, like a six gallon 525 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: water tank on one of her homes, which was a 526 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: rental vanished in and then she came back as she 527 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: thought the SpaceX folks stole it. And then she came 528 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: back and she found that someone had vandalized her house 529 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: when shared it with a brick had been sleeping there. 530 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: She and her neighbors accused SpaceX workers of crashing there, 531 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: which honestly that that seems a little far fetched, or 532 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: I should say, there's no proof of that being tell 533 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: there's underlying tension. The company denied all responsibility, but they 534 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: did reimburse her for the tank and the damage to 535 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: the house. So so the locals are saying that they're 536 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: getting they're getting bullied by a large corporation. And you know, 537 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: it's weird because I was thinking of our experience. You know, Doc, Noel, 538 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: Matt and I all live roughly in the same area 539 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,479 Speaker 1: of Atlanta Metro So you guys have probably gotten those 540 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: weird maybe a text or something in your mailbox that 541 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: says love your whole would like to buy it now, 542 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: I buy houses stuff like that. If you guys gotten those, 543 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: oh so many voicemails like that, unsettling. M Yeah, I 544 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: don't own a house currently, but I know plenty of 545 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: folks that do who gets solicited all that. In fact, 546 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: that's not true. At the house that I rented, we 547 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: would often get pieces of mail um or or even 548 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: like flyers taped to the door, uh you know, attention 549 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: to our landlord. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's and it's 550 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: funny too because I've been in the same boat as 551 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: you know or where I would get those and it 552 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: would trigger just a many existential what am I doing 553 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: with my life? Totally. It's like, because there have been 554 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: points of my life where I get one of those 555 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: wild cold calls or a message or like you said, 556 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: something taped on the door, thrown on the porch, and 557 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: it may as well have been saying I'm interested in 558 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: buying your rolls Royce, And I'm like, come on, man, 559 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: I felt broke when I woke up today and you're 560 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,879 Speaker 1: just making it worse. It's sell. It's on my nine 561 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: D three cell. Uh. So you nailed it. That was 562 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: a perfect hard joke. So in in this case though, 563 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: it's different because what we're talking about and our experience 564 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 1: in Atlanta is usually going to be uh what are 565 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: known as house flippers, and so they mean to buy 566 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: a house, maybe do some renovation on it, and then 567 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: sell it for a profit. There's nothing wrong or i 568 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,040 Speaker 1: llegal about that. But what's happening here is that a 569 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: company is using a tremendous amount of financial muscle to 570 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: maybe force people into doing things that they ordinarily wouldn't 571 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: do to other locals. Mary and Harvey Bloomer said that 572 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: they got an email back in September offering them an 573 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: a little south of add fifty dollars for their home, 574 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: and it came with a warning. It was from the 575 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: Director of Finance, David Finley, and he said, your property 576 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: will frequently fall into a hazard zone in which no 577 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: civilian would be permitted to remain. So they're like, buy 578 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: it because otherwise a rocket might explode on you. Just 579 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: saying Jesus, just say accidents happened, and this has happened 580 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: to other folks, other residents. You can read the full article. 581 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: I do recommend the podcast, and thanks to Dan for 582 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: hipping us to that. Uh. Some residents have found that 583 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: they are getting what are called non negotiable deals and 584 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: then additional offers. They're really getting the hard sell. And 585 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: then to compound the problem, residents are claiming that they 586 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: think county officials might be in Spain, a sex's pocket 587 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: like that. They are also working with SpaceX to get 588 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: these folks out of their homes or off their properties. 589 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: And honestly, that's not that's not implausible because if you 590 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: think of the tremendous economic boom SpaceX is bringing to 591 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: this to this town, it very well could be a 592 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: bit of a devil's bargain. Arguably not as bad as 593 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: say a prison that gets constructed in a town that 594 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: desperately needs employment. But still, you know, these people bought 595 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: their houses because they weren't planning to move. That's why 596 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: they're not reading. Yeah, but it's so messed up to 597 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: do the cold calculus. Um, I would I don't even 598 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: know if Elon Musk himself would be making these decisions, 599 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: are looking at the actual numbers, maybe um, But the 600 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: team of experts goes, okay, so we've got we've got 601 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: seven to fourteen houses that are currently being occupied that 602 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: we need to get rid of, get rid of those people. 603 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: And then then on the other side, the government is thinking, 604 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,319 Speaker 1: or whoever is representing the group here, well, if those 605 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: houses are gone, but we have residential areas for all 606 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: of these other employees, that's gonna number residents in the hundreds, 607 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: and they're all buying food locally. Taxes plus sales tax 608 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: from property tax. We can make a lot more money 609 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: with spacexes employees, right, And there's you know, there is 610 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 1: honestly a little bit of a long term investment slash 611 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: greater good argument the Boca Boca Chica. The community is 612 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: overseen by the government of Cameron County, and they have 613 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: raised their county appraisals of the values of homes. In 614 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: one case, home was worth thirty four thousand, four and 615 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: seventy three dollars when SpaceX made its first offer. Uh, 616 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: and then just uh, just a little bit later in 617 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: one the appraisals shot up to one hundred and forty 618 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: one thousand, five hundred seventy three dollars. Homeowners in the audience. 619 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: That sounds pretty awesome, right, especially everybody remembers two thousand eight, 620 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: Screw SpaceX. I'm moving to Boca Chica. I can afford 621 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: a house there. That's right, we do live in a 622 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: metro area. But but also, you know, they may be 623 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: attempt they may be just doing a hard calculation of 624 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: value because of what they're predicting about the economy, and uh, 625 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: property prices in the future. But Texas also, this area especially, 626 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: really doesn't want to lose uh SpaceX. You know what 627 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean. It's a prestigious thing for a state to have. 628 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 1: Texas already gave twenty million and incentives for the company 629 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: to expand in Texas, and Elon Musk is interesting. Back 630 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: in March, he went on Twitter and pledged to donate 631 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars to Cameron County schools specifically, and ten 632 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: million dollars to revitalize the downtown area of the county's 633 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: largest city, Brownsville. And this is before he was on SNL. 634 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why I added that. I just remember, 635 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: did you guys see him on SNL? I did. I 636 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: saw him on SNL. You you said you were okay 637 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: with it. I really enjoyed it, actually, um shill, it 638 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: was good. It was funny. Man. I'm sorry he's got 639 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: still to deliver. Did you hear what he said? Like 640 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: he was the He said he was the first person 641 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: with Asperger's to host a knitted on stage, at least 642 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: the first person to admit it. That's what he said. 643 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: It was funny that I was reading up about it 644 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 1: and on the Instagram account for SNL. I believe like 645 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: all of the comments were very negative towards him before 646 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: the show aired, and then when he came out into 647 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: that thing about having Asperger's and immediately all turned very positive, 648 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting considering that people are just 649 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,479 Speaker 1: so afraid of being canceled or are seen as being 650 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: able list in some way that they can like spew 651 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,360 Speaker 1: all this venom about a guy and then one little 652 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 1: thing while it was oh we actually we we we 653 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: we loved them all along, Um, Psyche, well whatever. Pete 654 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: Davidson has a recurring character that they produced an incredible 655 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: like digital short for. I mean some of the stuff 656 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 1: they can turn around in just a few days with 657 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: visual effects. I'm like so impressed with that team. Oh whatever, Yeah, yeah, 658 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,640 Speaker 1: it's and it's it's a great operation. I think we 659 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 1: nd update is killing it. Murder Dirt Dirt was a 660 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: great sketch. Checked that one out if you haven't seen it. Um, 661 00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 1: we're just shouting shouting out because I think we all 662 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,280 Speaker 1: you know, watched watched sn L and we were interested 663 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: to see what the person one of the world's wealthiest 664 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: people would actually do. So SNL aside, here's where we're 665 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,839 Speaker 1: at to sew up the story of Boca Chica as 666 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: it stands now. According to the laws of Texas, to 667 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: incorporate this village, SpaceX would have to prove to the 668 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: state that more than two people live in the area. 669 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: It would have to get a majority vote from that area. 670 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of if then's here, and 671 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: then if those two steps are successful, then the officials 672 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: of SpaceX could secure the power of eminent domain. Eminent 673 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,720 Speaker 1: domain is the epitome of greater good right. Eminent domain 674 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: is what happens when you lose uh several feet or 675 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: of your front yard because a road needs to be widened. 676 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,959 Speaker 1: Eminent domain is saying that the your local government has 677 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: certain powers that it can use uh to you know, 678 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,439 Speaker 1: take your property or to make certain alterations in the 679 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: interests of the greater community. And that kind of That 680 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 1: kind of stuff is a necessary evil. It does have 681 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:15,680 Speaker 1: to exist in many cases. But the fear here for 682 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: the non SpaceX residence of the community is that this 683 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: imminent domain could be used to eject the last people 684 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 1: who are still holding out and then allow SpaceX to 685 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: build a modern day company town. With that mind, do 686 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: you want to say, the long term goal here is 687 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: to get off this planet and go into the stars, 688 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,960 Speaker 1: go deep into the galactic ink. Is it worth it? 689 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: It really depends on who you ask, just like our 690 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: problem with just like our question rather about mink and 691 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,280 Speaker 1: fur farms and the spread of COVID. At this point, 692 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep an eye on this. Thank you so 693 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 1: much to Dan for hipping us to this story. Thank 694 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: you to Mal for at the very least reminding us 695 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: to rewatch Firefly. It holds up. It holds up. If 696 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: you have somehow never seen it, watch it tonight in 697 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: Star based, Texas at your Airbnb, and we hope you 698 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,359 Speaker 1: keep an ear out for an upcoming episode on Masonic 699 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: Masonic lodges and what's going on with the violence against them. 700 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,520 Speaker 1: Also keep an eye out for our keep an ear 701 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: out for our ghost Guns episode. As always, we want 702 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,319 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Let us know what you think 703 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: about these things. I'm particularly interested, um Noel in in 704 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: what's going to come out the emergent news about the 705 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: origin of COVID nineteen, which were still tracing you know, yeah, 706 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if exactly right then, if it 707 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,880 Speaker 1: does get traced somewhere other than that wet market, or 708 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: maybe it was a combination. Who knows these animals get around. 709 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: I can imagine that the types of animals that are 710 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: and sold at wet markets could also end up in 711 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: mink farm situated. 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