1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,599 Speaker 1: You know, I called for it because I think I've 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: earned it, Like I'm We're seeing guys get the chance 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: at a second title for much less than what I've done, 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'll be I don't 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: think I'd waste my time unless it is for the belt. 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: All right, everyone, Luke Thomas here in New York City 7 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: with a man who does not need an introduction, so 8 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: I'll make it quite brief. He just defended his UFC 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: featherweight title when he absolutely obliterated the Korean Zombie in 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 2: the main event of UFC two seventy three, and he 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: is here to talk about that and a whole lot more. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 2: It is the one and only Alexander Volkanowski. Hi, mister Volkowski. 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: I'm very good. I'm very good. How are you good? 14 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: New York City treating you well. 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: It's been good. It's pretty cold, colder than what I'm 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: used to, but I mean we. 17 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 3: Enjoyed it in Australia, you. 18 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: Get you know, I don't know, like we won't get 19 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: much colder than this. This is about this is outside, yea, 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: this is this is pretty cold. 21 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 3: Have you tried any of the New York pizza I did? 22 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: We did that yesterday, solady, I've already knocked over a 23 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: couple things, and bagels and the pizza, so you new 24 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: your pizza and bagels. 25 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: So people in Jersey will tell you that they have 26 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 2: both better bagels, and better know that they're lying. 27 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: Okay, that's not at all true. How are you feeling, 28 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. 29 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: A couple of Nixon scraps. 30 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, not too much. Too much maybe from from punching 31 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: and kicking. I've got a little bit more, you know that, 32 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: the hands and feet, but other than that's just a 33 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: usually machine sin and feet usually get pretty soret from fights. 34 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: I'm pretty ky heavy, as you would know, so they 35 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: usually get a little tender a bit after the fight. 36 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: But it's all good. 37 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, let's talk about the fight. 38 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: Well, that was about as close to best case scenario, 39 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 2: not nothing as perfect, so probably not that. So I'm 40 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: not going to ask you for a grade, but I 41 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: am going to ask relative to what you guys had 42 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: planned or anticipated, where did the actual performance fit? 43 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: I went pretty much how we expected it to go, 44 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, where he did what we thought he would do. 45 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, you know that's why again you're gonna give 46 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: everyone the respect early. So you're gonna start off at 47 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: a range where you know they barely can't touch it, 48 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: and then work your way in and find that range 49 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: that you're comfortable at. And yeah, pretty much exactly what 50 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: we worked on worked, you know what I mean. I 51 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: didn't have to change too much. I could stick to 52 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: my style and have my way with him that way, 53 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's no disrespect to him. 54 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: But like I said leading up, and I would have 55 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: said to you, my style covered a lot of ground 56 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: in this fight and a lot of fights. You know. 57 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: That's that's the way my style is. You know, I 58 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: can cover a lot of ground there where I don't 59 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, I don't take unnecessary risks, and I capitalize 60 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: it and you know I enter at the right time 61 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: and things like that. So that that took, you know, 62 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: that went a long way for me. 63 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: It was kind of funny the post fight narrative. A 64 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: lot of people were hyping up your speed. Yes, of 65 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 2: course you are quite fast. I mean, I mean, I 66 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: don't going to say that is false, but it seemed 67 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: to me that a bigger determination of how you were 68 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: able to land and not get hit. There was a 69 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 2: lot of times you were catching him at the end 70 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: of his punch as he was reaching, and then you'd 71 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: pop them for it. That's a timing issue, right, that's 72 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: less speed, more timing. 73 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, obviously we'll draw on the punches out of him. 74 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's a it we're got given too much away, 75 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Like you know, obviously when you you know, we do 76 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: the fakes, but sometimes you you know, you're with your face, 77 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: you can do that a little bit more, you know, 78 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: to get that reaction because sometimes they might not bite 79 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: on subtle fakes. So we wanted to really draw the 80 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: punches out of him, so you know, you sort of 81 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: get a little bit deeper and things like that, and 82 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: and drawing right out and work. Like I said, everything 83 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: we thought would happen happened, and it would capitalize on it. 84 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: All right, So let's talk about the game plan here 85 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: a little bit. 86 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: I know, I know this is going to be like 87 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: me trying to catch you like you catch your pponents, 88 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: And I'm probably not gonna have a lot of success either, 89 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: but I'm gonna try a little bit here. So with 90 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: respecting that you don't want to give away things. Still, 91 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 2: it did look to me like I could not tell 92 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: if this was a specific game plan just for him 93 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: or if this is something because I feel like you 94 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: kind of do this all the time. But it looked 95 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: to me like right away taking away his jab was 96 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: pretty important. There was a lot of times you were 97 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: pairing it and throwing the left hook because I think he 98 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: has the other. 99 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 3: Side hand down. 100 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: There were times when you were using the bodykick as 101 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: he was pressing into you. Was taking away the jab 102 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: a central focus of the game plan. 103 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like again without given too much away, but like, look, 104 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't really just taking out the job, 105 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: but I mean it was just not letting him use 106 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: other tools as well, you know, things that that been 107 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: in the right position at the right time, and then 108 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: taking away you know, he's powershots and what he looks for, 109 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: you know mainly, and then you know, capitalize on that, 110 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, not giving him much opportunity to throw anything 111 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: else other than some some jobs that were never going 112 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: to really hit anyway. But yeah, I mean, it wasn't 113 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: really just take out the job, but there was a 114 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: few things that we had to do well that given 115 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: too much away. 116 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so but then tell me this, well, in 117 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: terms of what his number one or number two weapons 118 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: that you were focused on. Again, I know you're focused 119 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: on your strengths, but being cautious and wary of what 120 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 2: he's doing. 121 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 3: What were you and your team identifying as things to 122 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: be conscious of that he might try. 123 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously counters, like everyone know he want to 124 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: give one. You know, he's a type of guy that 125 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: he'll catch you coming in and they're always dangerous as well. 126 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: So that's why, like I was saying, you can't just 127 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: expect like the little fakes to go and then go 128 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: in because if he's not reacting them little fakes and 129 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: then you try and commit, that's why he's going to 130 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: catch it. If he's not, if he's not reacting on 131 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: them subtle fakes, he will react to the committed punches. 132 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: And so we had to really really sell out, you know, 133 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: things before their mentories, you know, really sell them, so 134 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: he could not tell the difference between the two. And 135 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: as you said, you know, we'll draw on the counters 136 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: out of him, because he's really good at reading when 137 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: you're coming in when you're not. And you know, we 138 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: obviously had him confuse there because he would bite them 139 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: things and I wasn't there and then I'll capitalize on that. 140 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: When did you realize he was in trouble? 141 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I know you had confidence going in before 142 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: the belly rang, but I'm talking about there was a moment. 143 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: I think it was like one because you rewatched the fight, 144 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: right yep, Okay, so it was a little bit. There 145 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: was a moment one minute into the fight, so one 146 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: minute had expired. He was pressing into you and you 147 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: had countered him with a couple time and then you 148 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: had turned the angle and popped his head back, and 149 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: when you circled back, you made a gesture with your 150 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: mouth like ooh like you you there was a there 151 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: was a clear recognition something had worked right away. 152 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: At what point in the fight did you realize this 153 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: dude's in trouble? 154 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Probably seen his first jab, to be honest, And I 155 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: don't mean that any disrespond Oh, Like, I just just 156 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: seen it coming. And obviously I was like, yeah, pretty much, 157 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Again, obviously I was on 158 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: had him, you know, working him how how we wanted it, 159 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: had him going wherever, and then even when he thought 160 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: that he had a he could was the time to 161 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: get me. It was just really obvious for me and 162 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: pretty slow. So then I was like going, okay, I'm 163 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: pretty much going to see everything coming now. So yeah, 164 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: so I wanted to capitalize probably earlier on things. I 165 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: think I could have did a little bit more, but 166 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: my team were be careful because again he's he's still 167 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: going to even though he's eating a lot of these shots. 168 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 1: You get careless year, you probably will get the finish, 169 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: but that risk of you getting caught coming in gets 170 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: higher too, right, So they were in me and be like, look, 171 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: just be patient, keep doing what you're doing. They get 172 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: to excited straight away, so that were like sort of 173 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: pulling me back when I felt like I could have 174 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: went in a little bit earlier. But as soon as 175 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: they said, all right, now let's start following up and 176 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: doing more, I did, and we got to finish pretty 177 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: mu straight away. 178 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: One of the crazy things about this was after the 179 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: second did it again in the third round, but after 180 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 2: the second round he went and sat down on the ground, 181 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: not even on the stool. I gotta tell you'yone, watching 182 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: fights for a long time, I've seen that maybe a 183 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: handful of times. Did you pay attention to that or 184 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: what were you doing in your court? 185 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: I did see. I did see that. I don't know 186 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: whether he just rather sit on the floor. I don't 187 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: think he would, because he would be doing that his 188 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: whole career, right. 189 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: That's that's my language. Red flag. 190 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just yeah, it was me. You can 191 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: sometimes you can tell on a fighter's face, like you know, 192 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: when they feel defeated. He didn't seem defeated too early, 193 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: but I mean you could see that he was this 194 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: ain't going well, you know what I mean, And he 195 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: wasn't comfortable. And I even said that in the way 196 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: in not yeah, the weigh ines and the face offs 197 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: that like, you know, obviously he's a nice dude, he 198 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: doesn't really probably like the face offs, and and you 199 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: could see he was getting uncomfortable there when I was 200 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to do the face off and 201 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: get a little read. And I coul see he was 202 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: getting uncomfortable, which doesn't really mean much, but it means 203 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: when things aren't going his way, or it means he 204 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: can get uncomfortable, right, it's not really good at hiding it. 205 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: And I said that that you know, once I get 206 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: him uncomfortable, I'm going to know straight away in that fight, 207 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: and I did I could tell straight away, and there's 208 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: signs like that, there's signs of mid fight and just 209 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, there was a few things that he did 210 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: and I could really read that he was uncomfortable in there. 211 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: But towards the end, it was very telling and it 212 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: was pretty obvious, and that's when I started almost bad. 213 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: And I even think in the fourth round I even said, like, 214 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: be sure you want to keep doing this, mate, like 215 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't know if 216 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: he probably didn't understand me. Yeah, even even if he 217 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: did understand, I'm sure he would have said the same 218 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: things though, Yeah, good, you're sure. Like it wasn't me 219 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: being cheeky or anything like that, or it was just 220 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: me really being like man, like you well, the ref 221 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: probably not going to give it, Like I felt like 222 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: he was asking for to be stopped. You know, fighters 223 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: are never going to give up. They're never going to 224 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: sit there and be like I'm done, you know what 225 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: I mean, stop the fight. But I mean, in the 226 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: last two fights, I've seen or take in him sort 227 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: of asking suddenly for them to stop it. Like you know, 228 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: there's things you don't do when you you know, if 229 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: you don't want a ref or the commission or doctors 230 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: and that to stop a fight, you don't show you're 231 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: having dramas with things. You don't pretend you can't see, 232 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, you don't like start stumbling and stuff like that. 233 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: And you know, he started doing things like that. I 234 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: was like, I'm a very very obvious tells and I'm like, 235 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be here. He's asking for help 236 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: and they didn't give it to him, Samus or Taga, 237 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: but I mean, there's nothing to do. But it just 238 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: shows you look, look what I'm doing that these are 239 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: two guys that are there veterans and they're you know, 240 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: these guys are they're no joke. And I've got them 241 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: literally crying for help or not crying for help. There's 242 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: probably the wrong word, but they're literally give up without 243 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: you know, really given up. Like this is what I'm 244 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: doing to some of these guys, you know what I mean, 245 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: because it's mentally and physically just it's just too much 246 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: for him. And that's why I'm trying to tell the 247 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, before the fight, we're going these guys can't 248 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: handle what I'm doing. And that's sort of proof. And 249 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: I see it, and I can see it in their eyes, 250 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: especially in that third and fourth round, like he was 251 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: done and he wanted it, he wanted out, and you 252 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: know again my team said, let's you know, now, we 253 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: can follow up do more. And I gave him that out, 254 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: but you know, I probably would have preferred the refs 255 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: and doctors. Again, you could tell that it wasn't going 256 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: to go his way anytime soon. So and I'm glad 257 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: that there wasn't stopping. 258 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 3: Have you ever had I saw you're the champion? 259 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: Here was it twenty one fight winning streak or something 260 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: extraordinary like that? But have you ever had that worst 261 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: case scenario conversation with it, Joe Lopez or and your coaches, 262 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: like this is when you can throw the towel, This 263 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: is when you can The reason why I ask is 264 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: because when an interview boxers, they seem to always have 265 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: that arrangement well understood before they even walk into the room. 266 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: I don't think we have to be honest, we haven't 267 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: had that conversation. But I mean, my team, my team 268 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: are gonna look, man, they should be caring about our 269 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: health anyway. It doesn't matter if I get angry and 270 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: all that. Like, at the end of the day, even 271 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: if it's you. I could have won and you lost 272 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: me this much money. At the end of the day, 273 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: the health is more important than that. Getting home to 274 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: your family's healthy is more important. So you can't hate 275 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: him for that, you know what I mean. For the 276 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: other way around, and they're letting you die for the money, 277 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: that's when you're probably going to start asking some weird questions. Right. 278 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: That's a tough of conversation, I believe. But at the 279 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: same time, it depends on the person if they are 280 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: still trying to figure out if he sees me still 281 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,719 Speaker 1: trying to figure a way to win, you know what 282 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: I mean. Because I'm the top of guy. You are 283 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: not going to see me give up. And I'm going 284 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: to always look for something. If it's not working, I'm 285 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: going to keep searching for something that's going to work. 286 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: And if you see me do that, you know and 287 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: say it's still not working, I'm just miles behind. And 288 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: my team wants to do that, all right. I think 289 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: that that's fair. But I mean, if I'm trying to 290 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: find a way, at least give me a decent chance. 291 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: And it's hard, it's really tricky because I would expect 292 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: them to give me that chance, But I wouldn't hate 293 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: them if they took my my health first. You can't, 294 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, you can't hate them for that. 295 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: Of course you haven't even been in a scenario. Even so, 296 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: there's not really all that. 297 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: All that important of a thing to do, all right, 298 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: So in talking about some other things around this fight, 299 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: have you paid it all? 300 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 3: I know? So I talked to you. 301 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: We went down to South Florida, we interviewed Gilbert Burns 302 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: and he was like, when the fight's over, the one 303 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: thing I care about what my. 304 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: Family and coaches said. Fair enough. 305 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: That being said, have you paid attention at all to 306 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 2: what the fans have said since your win? 307 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: Uh? Not? Really? Like I guess I'm looking a little bit. 308 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, like I said leading in, I'm just 309 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: I'm not too fussed about all that anymore. I'm just 310 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: gonna be me and again, care what the people I 311 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: care about. You know. That's That's what I'm gonna that'll 312 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: that'll be what I take. I'll take him what they say, 313 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: and you know, they're happy with how things were. And 314 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: I was even saying you did exactly what we said. 315 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: That was good, you know what I mean, like okay 316 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: or good? So that's it. They're happy with how things went, 317 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: so I'm happy. 318 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 319 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: That being said, though the fans noticed a shift. This 320 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: one was a shift for me. 321 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 3: The Ortega one was also a shift because of just 322 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 3: the nature of that fight and the escapes and the 323 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 3: submissions and then the brutality of it all. I think 324 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: that was a shift. 325 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: This was another one too, where you know, I've called 326 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: it hater stages of grief. 327 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: You ever heard about that, like one? Is it bargaining 328 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 3: and acceptance? 329 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 330 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: Part of the what I've seen is I've seen a 331 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 3: lot of this. 332 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 2: Okay, I may not like him, but god damn it, 333 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: he's really good, really good. 334 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: That is hater bargaining, is it not? They are there. 335 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: This is the stage of grief of critics who are 336 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: finally coming around to an overwhelming case that they just 337 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: can no longer deny. Is that any of that resonating 338 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 2: with you? 339 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: That makes it? Obviously, I guess you can say that, 340 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm not really looking for and the 341 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: beauty of it that I don't really care, as I've 342 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: been saying for the past week, and that' I don't 343 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: really care. But I mean I always said that they're 344 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: gonna jump on board, you know what I mean. He 345 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, come in well and just 346 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: took over, and a lot of people didn't like it, right, 347 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: and it's it just takes time, and is people act 348 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: like I haven't seen this before. This has happened plenty 349 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: of times. Max is in the exact same position for 350 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: a while where you know, no one was giving the 351 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: recognition he deserved when he was getting these fights, and 352 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: he was like he'd been underdogs against guys like even 353 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: Ortaga and things like that. This just this just happens. 354 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: You know, it takes time, but you know they're all 355 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: going to jump on board, and they're starting to, like 356 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: you said that, I'm gonna just be me and I'm 357 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: happy with how things are going, and that's that. You know, 358 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm not going to I don't need to please the haters. 359 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: That's one thing that I think I always wanted to do, 360 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: prove them wrong and get them on my side. But 361 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you know it was but now I just 362 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: don't care about that and I'm just being me and 363 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: have fun with it, and you know, a lot more 364 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: nothing but positive vibes and enjoying the whole process. 365 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 3: Speaking of Max, which I sometimes I go into these 366 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: interviews and I don't even want to talk about I 367 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 3: I love Max alive, profound respect for his career, don't 368 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: get me wrong, But it's just that it's won twice, 369 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: and so there's a question of, you know, the necessity 370 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: of the third. 371 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: Nevertheless, though, it just seems like all roads lead to that. Now, 372 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: I don't know what the UFC is going to do 373 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: one way or the other. How different will a third 374 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: fight be? 375 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: With Max Man, it's a you never know again, Like 376 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: because we're both both teams. Obviously, you know, they're deep 377 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: in the strategy and all that, you know, and they 378 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: get the game, they get strategy, they understand all that, 379 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: and so I guess you're going to have to You're 380 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: going to have to have certain like a couple of options, 381 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, almost a couple of 382 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: game plans. You know, again, my style covers a lot 383 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: of ground, but I mean there's going to be you know, 384 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: we're probably gonna have game plans of strategies we think 385 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: they're going to have, and you know we're going to 386 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: have take that into consideration. But you know, again we 387 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: don't know what's happened. I don't know his situation. I'll 388 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: be honest, that fight was obviously meant meant to be 389 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: early in the year, and oh sorry, earlier in the year. 390 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: We'll obviously scheduled, and he got injured, and but I 391 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: don't know that situation. I don't know if there was 392 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know if there's negotiation problems, if us, 393 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: if he's injured for a while, or if we wanted 394 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: to fight in the first place. Because it was all 395 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: really how it came about. I sort of got told 396 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: about the next minute, they announced the next minute day 397 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: they and I just didn't understand the whole situation. So 398 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: I don't know that what's going on there. But I mean, 399 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep doing messing with the UFC. Say, 400 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the biggest fight and 401 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: the one that makes most sense, you know, if that's 402 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: the fight everyone wants to see, and we think, you know, 403 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: the paved views will do well, and you know, legacy 404 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: and all that type of stuff, will make the decision 405 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: for the right reasons. That's what counts. 406 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: Why you're the champ. 407 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 2: But why has Max What does he do that the 408 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: rest of excluding yourself, what does he do that the 409 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: rest of the division does not such that he also 410 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: has this strong command. 411 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: Put it this way, Put it this way. If he 412 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: if our division, we're doing their part. And you know, 413 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: people were trying to take their number one spot, and 414 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: there was a clearly like say there was someone that 415 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: took out top contenders, Max probably wouldn't get a trilogy 416 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: straight away. But because these guys are sort of sitting 417 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: back and like you know, I don't know, like they're 418 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: trying to pick their fights and things like that, he 419 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: was the early one that went out there and took 420 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: out the number one contenders and cemented himself as the 421 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: number one content. That's why he was going to get 422 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: the trilogy. And if if the other guy other contenders 423 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: were doing that and there was a clean number one 424 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: contender or even a clean number two or something, that'd 425 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: probably be in front of Max. Everyone was screaming their name. 426 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: But the reason why Max is going to keep coming 427 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: up is because he's still there. He actually did his 428 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: part by going out there and fighting guys and keeping 429 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: that number one spot, so you know, it's not like 430 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: he's just being given like you know, again, if he 431 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: didn't fight anyone, he wouldn't get this chance. But at 432 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: least he went out there and took out the other guys, 433 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: and that's why people are still talking about him. And 434 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: again what that that trilogy, So that's always going to 435 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: be there, and while while this division sorts itself out, 436 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: if they don't do their job, they're going to be 437 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: sitting there waiting even longer whether I move up. You know, 438 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: obviously I'm looking at this lightweight division and I've done 439 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: my part. Now. You know, you haven't heard me talk 440 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,719 Speaker 1: about lightweight division. I've talked to a better people ask 441 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: me about it, but I never said give me that fight. 442 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: I've always said I plan on doing that in the 443 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: near future. I want to wait for the right time 444 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: on the type of guy that you've got to earn 445 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: the opportunity to do something like that. I've had four 446 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: title fights for four wins, free defenses. I'm in a 447 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: position where I can start calling for this type of shit. 448 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: So so there you go. That's why I feel I 449 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, that is definitely not normal free 450 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: fights this year, and I'm not going to sit there 451 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: and wait for the division or just fight. You know, 452 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: I already had to fight someone that wasn't really next 453 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: in line. Because of the injury, through injury and stuff 454 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: like that. So I don't want to have to just 455 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: do that again for the sake of it. Give me 456 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: a lightweight fight or something that, you know that still 457 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: makes sense, and then maybe later if the division sorts 458 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: itself out or the UFC comeback with whoever it was, 459 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: another number one contender, all Max Holloway, whatever it is, 460 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: we'll do that later in the year. But I want 461 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: three fights this year, and I think next is a 462 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: title fight and loveweight division. 463 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: All right, let me give an alternative theory about why 464 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: Max is there. Yes he is. He took on Calvin Cator, 465 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 3: he took on Rodriguez. But he's also better than them. 466 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: It's better than them. 467 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: I guess what I'm asking you is, what does he 468 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: do That's not enough for you, but that is enough 469 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 2: for them? Well, it makes them so good. 470 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: Look at he's a great fighter. That's why he was 471 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: a champion again, and obviously if I wasn't, he would 472 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: still be champion, and he'll be raining. You know, he 473 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: would have a lot of defenses. But again, as I 474 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: always say, right, it's different when I'm in front of you. 475 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: But he's got a good game, a very he's a smiff. Obviously, 476 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: he eats a lot of shots like you eat some 477 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: to give somebod I mean, there's still strategy around it 478 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: as well. He's got a good team around him. He's 479 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: obviously durable, he's obviously fit, so he covers a lot 480 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: of ground in them, and then he does strategize as well. 481 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: Volume fighter, and but the strategy behind it as well. 482 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: You know, it isn't just like he just throws anything. 483 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: You know, he's calculated and he's approaching the volume volume striking. 484 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: But again we've got reads on that, and it's just different. 485 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: When I'm in front of you, I'm not going to 486 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: let you just you know, I don't let you just 487 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: do your thing and roll on from there. I make 488 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 1: people fight my fight. 489 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: That's that one thing on that and we'll move on 490 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: to one thirty five. 491 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: But you had mention that your style covers a lot 492 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 2: of grounds or speaking metaphorically, what do you mean exactly 493 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 2: by that? You can wrestle, you can strike, you can 494 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: do all that stuff. But when you say covers a 495 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: lot of ground, how do you how do you envision that? 496 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: Okay, so, like you know a lot of guys that 497 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: will have a certain tools and things like that, you 498 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: know that could give me danger. My style will nullify 499 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of that purely from my style. 500 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: You know, this guy's that say he's got a kicking 501 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: heavy game or a right hand heavy game or upper cut, 502 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, all these things my style and you know 503 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: how I approach a fight, and you know, and just yeah, 504 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: the top of fighter I am can nullify a lot 505 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: of people, say, what's a good word? A lot of 506 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: their tools, good tools. I can nullify that with purely 507 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: just just my style. Like I don't need a strategy 508 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: to nullify this guy's tough, you know, strong leg kick 509 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: or whatever it is, whatever it is, you know what 510 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: I'm saying, or arrange this guy fights at you know, 511 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: I fight at a really good range. That makes it 512 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: difficult for a lot of different stufs. You know, my 513 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: entries and fakes and all that as you would know 514 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: with you know, I don't just I'm not easy to read. 515 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: You know when things like that's counterfeit, you know what 516 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: I mean? Counter fighters. You know I cover a lot 517 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: of ground with counterfighters because when am I coming in 518 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: you know you know what I mean by that. You know, 519 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: guys that volume strikers again defensively, and you know, breaking 520 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: the room mus style covers a lot of that. You know, 521 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: you can have all these different styles and my my 522 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: style can deal with them just purely without even have 523 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: really having strategy, you know. And then then you can 524 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: on top of that, guys that might have tools that 525 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: I need to have a bit more strategy and a 526 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: bit more focused to nullify on I can add that 527 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: on top. Does that make sense? You get that? 528 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 3: Yet it doesn't make sense. 529 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: You won't give you the specifics, which is fine, but 530 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: it does it from broad strokes, it does really makes sense. 531 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: But then let me ask you this, though not without 532 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: you don't have the name names. I'm certainly I'm not 533 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: interested in anything like that. But what you do is 534 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: so unique and so encompassing it seems almost legit that 535 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: people aren't trying to copy you. 536 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: Right. 537 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 3: Our biggest sport here is the NFL. 538 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: I don't know if you notice what we call it 539 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: a copycat league because all of the coordinators come up 540 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: with offensive strategies and they work for a season, then 541 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: everyone borrows them. They have to come up with something new. 542 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of people following what you're 543 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 2: doing at least not very much. 544 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: Why is that, Well, it ain't easy to do, Okay, 545 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: all right, that's a good way of putting it in. 546 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: It's a you know, a lot of people you know, 547 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 1: trying to I keep busy, right, and I'm here. I'm busy, 548 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: keeping other people's brain busy and all that. And I'm 549 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: always constantly changing things and mixing things up and all 550 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: that while I'm fighting what's in front of me. It's 551 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: not easy to do. A lot of people can't do 552 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: all them things at once. I can't do it. Outside 553 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: of the cage. I can't do two things at once. 554 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: That's my wife, she'll tell you. But in the cage, 555 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: I can do multiple things at once, and that is 556 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, me moving obviously, picking shots and you know, 557 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: and then doing fakes and all that type of stuff 558 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: and keeping them busy and and all that type of stuff. 559 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: A lot of people can't do that. It's easier said 560 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,719 Speaker 1: than done. I believe that, like you know what I mean. 561 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: But because without giving too much away, I don't you know, 562 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: you people think they get to read on me, and 563 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: I'm changing it like that, you know what I mean. 564 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm picking up that they're trying to you know, pick 565 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: up on something I'm doing, and I'm constantly changing that 566 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: while I'm still keeping them busy and capitalizing. You get 567 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: what I mean. There's it's very complex. It's a lot 568 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: of layers there, and it ain't just a very art 569 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm just like you people see me do a lot 570 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: of low kicks, and me just throwing low kicks. There's 571 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: a lot of purpose in every little low kick that 572 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: I do. There's different rangers, there's different speeds, there's different 573 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: powers in them, there's different you know, it goes a 574 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: lot deeper than what most people think. And I the 575 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: details that we go into, I had them details through 576 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: the whole game, you know, And that's how I play. 577 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: You know, you play chess, and some people just like 578 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: to play with their queens and bishops and castles. And 579 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: I use every pace on that board, and I use 580 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: them all effectively. 581 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 3: You might use pawns more than anything else. 582 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm more than happy to use the poems to set 583 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: up the queens and things like that. Were a lot 584 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: of people are just you know, they're just offens heavy, 585 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. My poems are gonna maybe 586 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: protect the king and queen and all that and then 587 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: pick off some of these guys as we go out, 588 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: and then the Queen could come out and take out 589 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: when they're ready. 590 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: You know, I know your time is limited, so I'll 591 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 2: make this quick. But I guess the thing I would 592 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 2: say is it just it just blows my mind that 593 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: we have a champion who's doing what you're doing. And 594 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: you know, Max's a talented fighter as well, and he's 595 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 2: got his own thing. But like we're still in a 596 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: world where like I'll watch UFC fights and you'll see 597 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 2: a lot of guys not even faint, and it's like, 598 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: how can there be that? Like if you had a 599 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 2: lesson for young fighters, young fighters, not experienced guys in 600 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: the UOC, young fighters, what would it be. What's the 601 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: number one thing to make sure that they position themselves 602 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: for the next evolution in fighting and to be there 603 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: ready for it. 604 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: Man, can't give it too much way again, all right, 605 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm not gonna give man. It's 606 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: just one thing that I still don't get is that 607 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: a lot of gyms, how they separate all the all 608 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: the martial arts. They'll go there and you know, if 609 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: they want to do boxing, they'll go to a boxing 610 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: gym and just do boxing. Boxing is obviously great to do, 611 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: but it is MMA is totally different. You need to 612 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: blend them all together. You need to have an mm 613 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: A approach in boxing mm A approach and kickboxing MMA 614 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: approach in wrestling, mm A approach in jiu jitsu. You 615 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: know not, don't separate them. I see people separating them 616 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: all the time, like they sit there, they want to do. 617 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: They go to a jiu jitsu, they'll chuck on a gig. 618 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: And I love jiu jitsu. I'm a black belt. I 619 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: love jiu jitsu, but when it comes to mixed martial arts, 620 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I am very MMA specific 621 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: with my my jiujitsu approach, and the team around me 622 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: all understand that. So we've got a jiu jitsu coach 623 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: and everything is just MMA specific, and I think that 624 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: obviously some gyms do that, but you'll be surprised if 625 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: how many gyms don't. 626 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 2: Right before we go here one fifty five, I guess 627 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 2: my question would be, if they come to you at 628 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: one fifty five and they say we got an idea 629 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: for you, are you only accepting a title shot or 630 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: number one contender? Because here's my idea, there's a lot 631 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 2: of different ways to do it. A lot of guys 632 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: go and get the title fights, but sometimes, like Anderson Silva, 633 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: they go up and take on someone who's highly ranked, 634 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 2: but the style mixed for the fight itself. Not the 635 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 2: James Irvan one, but for s Griffin would be one. 636 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: Here's a similar idea. Yeah, I'm just gonna pitch it 637 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: to you to what you think. If they don't come 638 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 2: to you with the title shot for whatever reason it's 639 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: busy or someone's injured or whatever, and they say, how 640 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: about RDA, how file dos Angos? 641 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: What do you say? No? 642 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: Well, I think again, I'm I want this title. What 643 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, I called for it because I think I've 644 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: earned it. Like I'm we're saying, guys get the chance 645 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: at a second title for much less than what I've done, 646 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'll be I don't 647 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: think I'll waste my time unless it is for the belt, 648 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So that's something that's a position. Obviously, 649 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: I'll talk to my team and see what they think. 650 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: And but I mean, you know, when you're doing stuff 651 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: like that as well, then you're taking pay cuts for that, 652 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: right It don't even have totified anymore, so it just 653 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. And I think I'm in a position 654 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: where I can definitely at least ask for that, and 655 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: if not, if it's not this far, maybe next five. 656 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: But I believe I'm in a good position and I 657 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: don't think I need to try and climb the ladder. 658 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: You know where I'm at. I'm undefeated alt way too. 659 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: Remember that I'm undefeated like heavyweight, all different kinds of way. 660 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 2: Last question two point before you go one. I know 661 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: that you had said you want to go back to 662 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: Australia and Dana White was kind of like, eh, but 663 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 2: it is open up that Cambosis is going back there 664 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: with the Devin Handy fight and a whole lot of stuff. 665 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: So so did you have any conversations subsequent to that 666 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 3: with Dana? 667 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 2: And two again Israel Asianni was like, if you come 668 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: to New Zealand, you come to Auckland, I'll show you 669 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: those works if I make the trip to Australia. No more, 670 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 2: I don't want to say enough, no more. I can't 671 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: tell you anything. Would you show me some of the 672 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: complexities off the record of your game? 673 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: An't you get you get a load of you get 674 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 1: a lot of it out there, you know what I mean. 675 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't know. I definitely would 676 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: say you some cool ship, but I mean, clever man. 677 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: You know, we could have some good conversations. I reckon, Yeah, 678 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: we could take we could take a lot from each other. 679 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: Not all the tricks. Not all the tricks enough that's 680 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: going to get my opponents in more trouble, you know 681 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: what I mean. 682 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: Old stuff. 683 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: I'll let them level up, just so I can counter 684 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: with another level on top of that. 685 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 3: Anything with Australia. 686 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: Australia and look, we're having a I think there's a 687 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: bit of confusion there. That's what We'll have a conversation 688 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: because I don't think there's that many hurdles to cross, 689 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: not any more than you would have going to London 690 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: or anything like that, you know what I mean, No exactly. 691 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: So I feel maybe there was a little bit of 692 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: miscommunication with something that he heard, But I reckon, I reckon, 693 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: we get over line. Well, I'm going to least try 694 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: and push for it again. I think there's fans. He 695 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: knows how much how big he is over there, and 696 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: he loves going there. I think they deserve its fans, 697 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: and I think maybe I deserve to defend my belt 698 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: as well, so hopefully we can get that over line. 699 00:28:59,400 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: We'll see. 700 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: I got to say this is this might be the 701 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: golden era of combat sports in Australia, the Oceanic region. 702 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 2: Right now, you and Cambosis and out of Signia and 703 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 2: everyone else. You guys are at the front of it. 704 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: So it's an exciting time there. He is, he's a 705 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: featherweight champion of the world and he might be for 706 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: a long time to come. Alex Wolkonowski, thank you for 707 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: your time. 708 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it.