1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory File Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your 3 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. If there 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: ever was a hangover game, I guess you could say 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: that's what happened Thursday. That's probably the best, the the 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: best excuse you could give the offense for that performance. 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Hunter Green when he's on, he's obviously nasty, and he 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: was on Thursday night, and that was a really impressive performance. 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: One hitter the Cubs avoid a no hitter. I mean, 10 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: in general, for me, I'm not overwhelmingly concerned about the offense. 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: I think my main concern for the offense is you 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: want Kyle Tucker healthy. But I'm seeing some signs in 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: general that I feel like the offense may be close 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: to turning a corner, if not already turned a corner. 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: And in Thursday, you hope is a one off against 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: a picture that's really talented and was on. I don't 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: know what your feelings are about the offense in general, 18 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: but I felt like the past week before prior to Thursday, 19 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: was actually what you want to see from this offense. 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: It was funny on Thursday in the visiting clubhouse a 21 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: player was joking around like like I'm not hungover and 22 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: then pretended to like trip, but no, I really didn't. 23 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: I don't think that was I think Hunter Green was 24 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: the issue. Like they put out a pretty robust lineup 25 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: for a day, yeah after a clinch. This is like 26 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: we talked about earlier. This is not a group that 27 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: really kind of goes hard. 28 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 3: In that air. They are very like serious, focused, dated team. 29 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: I think it was just Hunter Green was so good. 30 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 2: As Craig Council said after the game, it's elite velocity. 31 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 3: It's a guy throwing I think it was. 32 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: One hundred and two miles an hour on pitch one 33 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: oh eight in the ninth inning, like that's and that 34 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: was like Counsel's that's where his head went immediately, you know, 35 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 2: one of the best fastballs in the game. So yeah, 36 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: I don't think you have to overreact to that one. 37 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: I'm still a little I'm skeptical at the offense, but 38 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: you you've always been in general more optimistic about the offense. 39 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: I do think though, Yeah, this will come down to 40 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker and as well as Piker Armstrong. 41 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: Was a I'm probably reading too much into this. 42 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: But Counsel was asked about Piker Armstrong before Thursday's game. 43 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: He just seemed like exasperated about a question about sort 44 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: of like like what are you looking for? 45 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: And is that basket? What do you see? 46 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: Like was there something I'd missed on like the last 47 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 2: homestand like it was just like maybe I don't. 48 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: Know what are your thoughts? 49 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: So I I happened to watch the pregame. I watched 50 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: that and I was lapping. My kids are sitting by 51 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: me as I'm watching on YouTube the pre game and 52 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm just cracking up because I assume that's a non 53 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Chicago reporter, non someone that's not used to Counsel that 54 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: asked that. 55 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 4: I couldn't. 56 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: I didn't recognize the voice immediately and he, uh, Counsels. 57 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: I think what it was, if I'm reading Council right, 58 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: it's like what are you seeing in his swing? And 59 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: that's not like Council doesn't do that. He doesn't say, like, 60 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's what the answer was. And yes, 61 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: I think he has been asked a ton about Pete 62 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: lately and and I think it was just a little 63 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: bit of like you know, Counsels doesn't. Sometimes he doesn't 64 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: love these analyze the approach. 65 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: Someone asked about the approach. 66 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: I think I may have asked about the approach and 67 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know what, like. 68 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 4: What I'm supposed to say to that. 69 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: I don't even remember if it was me, but I 70 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: remember that that happened as well. He sometimes he doesn't 71 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: like these generalized questions that seem like specific questions, if 72 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 73 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I will say he did give I believe. 74 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: The same reporter asked a question about Clayton Kershaw's retirement 75 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: and Counsel gave a fantastic answer to that, like I 76 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: didn't really do much for me because I wasn't writing 77 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: about Clayton. But I'll ask Counsel again this weekend. I 78 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: just thought it was. 79 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: To me. 80 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: I think with Pete, it's all about mentality right now, 81 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: That's what I think. Yeah, the hitting coaches have stressed 82 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: of flipping the switch to the playoffs. You know you've 83 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: had a great season. It's all about competing on that 84 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: pitch and that's just not a pe thing. I think, 85 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: like in general, this offense is just gonna have to 86 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: kind of kind of scrap in October. 87 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: Well, so I want to touch on the offense as 88 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: far as my perspective on the offense and why I 89 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: think it's looking so much better. First of all, I'm 90 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: not sure people realize, or at least I didn't fully realize. 91 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: I noticed this whenever the Cubs play the Reds. But 92 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: it's true for all season long. They have some of 93 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: the best starting pitching in baseball. 94 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 3: They do. 95 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: Their staff is really good, and it's particularly tough. Hunter 96 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: Green isn't a lefty, but it's particularly tough for the 97 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: Cubs because there's so many lefties in there, really good 98 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: lefties at think Lodolo Abbott. Do they have one more lefty, 99 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but those two seem to always have 100 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: good games against the Cubs. Just a tough matchup for 101 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: this for this team. You almost don't want the Reds 102 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs because they can make some noise 103 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: and then they could really shut down an offense like 104 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: the Cups. I said it on this podcast. I was 105 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: saying it during the game. That was it a Monday 106 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. It was Monday in Atlanta. That may have 107 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: been my most disappointed in this offense. I thought there 108 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: was just nothing I saw that made me feel good 109 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: about the offense. Sometimes you can score two three runs 110 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: and you're like, you know what, that should have been 111 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: the seven run game. They're putting pressure on the team. 112 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: They're doing a lot of good things since that Monday, 113 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: basically Tuesday to before the Hunter Green start. I like 114 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: everything I saw from the offense. It wasn't always blowout offense. 115 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: They didn't come up with every clutch hit, but they 116 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: consistently were putting pressure on the opposition. Michael Bush looks 117 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: like he's coming out of his slump. He's hitting the 118 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: ball hard, uh and in the air pek Armstar should 119 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: have had two hits yesterday. He hit the ball really 120 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: hard on a line twice. 121 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: Uh. 122 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: And he looks like after it looked like it took 123 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: him a couple of games to get back in that 124 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: rhythm after he foiled the ball off his knee. But 125 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: he looks so much better. He just he does look 126 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: like a better player right now. Ian Happ will talk 127 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: about him very soon. He's red hot. I think Dansby 128 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: has kind of been. He's not like red hot, but 129 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: he's putting up much more consistent bats. At nico Is 130 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: is red hot, and he's been really hot for a while. 131 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: That's why I say, like, I feel good about this offense. 132 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: But Bias Terris has been great in in a short 133 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: burst here. If Saya can turn the corner and if 134 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker comes back, I'm not too concerned with the offense. 135 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: You just don't know what you're gonna get a day 136 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: to day with anything, so you like, I don't want 137 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: to predict that. I have no concerns. I just feel 138 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: like this this past week looked so much more. At 139 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: the Paul Skien's game, that was some of the best 140 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: approach I've seen from this team since the first half. 141 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: And it's just good to see that. It gives me 142 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: confidence that, Okay, they've they've turned that corner where this 143 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: slump is kind of over, or the deep slump is over. 144 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: You're not gonna score six runs every game. But I 145 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: just they were getting runners on and doing a lot. 146 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: The Hunter Green game kind of throws that off and 147 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: and you know, makes it seem like it's. 148 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 4: Not as good of a stretch. 149 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: But I really liked what I was seeing up until Thursday. 150 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: We'll see if they can continue. Like I said, This 151 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: is just a bad matchup for them with the Reds. 152 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: They never seem to do much. I don't even know 153 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: who's pitching today for the Reds tonight that this is Friday. 154 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: It's Nick Lodolo, so you know he's tough for them. 155 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: They just don't do well against these guys. So I'm 156 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: not I'm not addicting that the offense breaks out all 157 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: weekend long. 158 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: But like I said, I just like what I saw. 159 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: Patrick, should we let's let's let's talk a little bit 160 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: about Ian Halp. Put him under our Draft Kings player spotlight. 161 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, we talked about him a little bit 162 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: the other day. But Ian Halp is on a really 163 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: great stretch since get this July twenty third, I went 164 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: all the way back to July twenty third, A one 165 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: fifty six way to runs creative plus that'd be. 166 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 4: That's that's great. 167 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,479 Speaker 1: That's nearly two and a half months of really impressive performance. 168 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: I mean, just I guess it's two months, right, yeah, 169 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: two months of really strong performance just to like he 170 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: has turned into this player that I'm just really impressed 171 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: with what he's become for the Cubs. 172 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: No doubt, And it is amazing how like every year 173 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: he seems to wind up in the same place. 174 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 3: It's been a process to get to this point. 175 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: We all remember him coming to as a rookie, struggling 176 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: to find every day playing time, struggling to find a position. 177 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: And we talked about this earlier, but. 178 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 2: I think it's worth mentioning, and I think you'll probably 179 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 2: kind of write about this idea as well, just him 180 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: as kind of this bridge from one er to the next, 181 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 2: as a great resource for. 182 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 3: Other players. 183 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 4: You know. 184 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 2: I mentioned Ian Hap while asking Pete Kormstrong a question 185 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 2: during the postgame celebration in Pittsburgh, and I wasn't really 186 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: looking for an Ian half a quote about Ian Hap 187 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: at all, but Pete just would not stop raving about 188 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: Ian Happ. And I think you just can't fake stuff 189 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 2: like that. I mean, whatever, fans on the outside see 190 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: Ian's demeanor, how it's pretty cold, unemotional. That does not 191 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 2: mean that's what he's like in the clubhouse. Yes, he 192 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: is pretty reserved, he's serious. He has a dry sense 193 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: of humor. But there's a consistency to that that really 194 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: matters over the course of one hundred and sixty two 195 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 2: game season, and players appreciate it. When their teammates are 196 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: the same guy every day. And you mentioned it earlier, 197 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: this week'sa hotave of this is a moment for him, 198 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: and when they get into the playoffs, if he's hot 199 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: or even he just comes up with that one big 200 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: hit that swings a playoff game, that wins a playoff series. 201 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: I think everything could be reevaluated. That's just kind of 202 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 2: how it works in October. Like these these very small 203 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: samples but can have just a huge impact on how 204 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: players are perceived. 205 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can make your name a name for yourself 206 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: in a city with one big performance one you know, a. 207 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: Couple of weeks. 208 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Hobby Baia is probably his overall numbers, i'd 209 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: say in Chicago aren't insanely good. I don't have them 210 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: in front of me, but I would guess he's not 211 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: like standout numbers over his Cub's career. But because of 212 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: his October performance and the way he plays the game, 213 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: that's that's absolutely true. The way he played the game 214 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: for the Cubs, he broke out in fifteen and sixteen 215 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. He was just so good for them, 216 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: and it was just fun to watch him play in 217 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: the postseason. I think Ian has a chance to He 218 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: may not be the star of the postseason. That's probably 219 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: going to if you know, that's going to go to 220 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: someone a little more flashy, but he could he could 221 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: make a name for himself. You know, I'm looking forward 222 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: to seeing what he can do. U. Let's uh, let's 223 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: hear from Milana Rizzo and get our Northside Territory pick. 224 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 5: Thanks so much Sahtev for my pick this week. I'm 225 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 5: looking at the road ahead. The Cubs are plus seven 226 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 5: hundred to win the National League Pennant on DraftKings Sportsbook. 227 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 5: How do we get there? Well with a healed Kyle 228 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 5: Tucker and if Kate Horton continues his role, the sky 229 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 5: is the limit. We're feeling the clinching high still in 230 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 5: the air. 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Additional NFL Sunday Ticket terms at YouTube dot 251 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 6: com slash Go Slash NFL Sunday Tickets Slash terms Limited 252 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 6: time offer. 253 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 4: All right, Patrick cad Horton, you wrote it. 254 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't he be the game one starter for the Cubs? 255 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: I you know, when I started. 256 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: Thinking this, and I don't know a couple of weeks 257 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: ago when people started suggesting it, and when I even 258 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: was like, maybe, and I'm being too aggressive here. 259 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 4: They're being too aggressive where we're living in the moment 260 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 4: too much. Uh. 261 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: It's it's gotten to the point where it feels like 262 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: kind of obvious that he has to be the game 263 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: one starter. 264 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: That's kind of how I approached it, knowing that Craig 265 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: Counsel was not going to really entertain this line of questioning. 266 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: I loved your you're back and forth. I don't know 267 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: if that was you asking the questions or what. 268 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: But it was. 269 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 4: It was wonderful. 270 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 3: It was mostly me. 271 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 2: And I could tell like in the moment, it didn't 272 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: sound as annoyed, but he dropped the like, uh, my 273 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: first name Patrick as sort of an exclamation point or 274 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: a period, like what do you want? 275 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: What do you want us to do? Patrick? 276 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: And then when you hear the hear the recording, it 277 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: just sounds a little more, uh, you know, annoying, annoyed 278 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: at that point. But look, Counsel is great because you know, 279 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: you just just ask him the question and he'll give 280 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: you an answer. And even if it's not the answer 281 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 2: you're looking for it, you can kind of have that 282 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: back and forth, and you know, I wasn't trying to 283 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: set him up. 284 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: But the other day after the Skins. 285 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: Game, you know, I just asked, like, you know, you know, 286 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: has Caid sort of entered that discussion as one alongside 287 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: Skeens is one of the best pitchers in the game, 288 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: And he said, you know, he's pitching as well as 289 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: anybody in the game. So of course I brought that 290 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: quote back up to him on Thursday, and he was 291 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: just like, look, we've made plans to be flexible, and 292 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: we know the guys we want to be flexible with. 293 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: There's no reason to. 294 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: Announce this basically two weeks ahead of time, which I get, 295 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 2: but I'm with you to het of like, I feel 296 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: like they've managed Caid Horton so conservatively that it was 297 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: kind of hard to like go overboard with some of 298 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 2: this stuff. You kept being like, all right, let's see 299 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: him do it a couple more times, Let's see how 300 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 2: he responds, you know, later in the summer, what about September, 301 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: And it just feels like, I don't know, like watch 302 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: the games, like he's carving teams up, Like I just 303 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: don't And we'll get into this later. I don't think 304 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 2: anyone else has sort of like stepped forward and sees 305 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: the assignment either. So it's both him going out and 306 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: grabbing it and also possive elimination in my mind. 307 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with the ladder, but it's probably more 308 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: the former of him great. Yeah, yeah, and I'm I 309 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: think what I want to see. I think there is 310 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: something to the mentality of I only have X number 311 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: of pitches, I'm just gonna hammer the zone and see 312 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: what happens. I hope that cade and and I've seen 313 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: no signs that this guy can't embrace any challenge, or 314 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: that the mentality will shift to a bad place or 315 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: anything like that. But I hope come playoff time when 316 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: he's full, when he probably won't have a pitch count limit, 317 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, beyond unreasonable suggestions like I hope that mentality 318 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: doesn't change because the results have. 319 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: He's stepped up his. 320 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: Game to this level where it's like, you're not getting 321 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: on base unless you can somehow hit my stuff. There's 322 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: no he doesn't issue these walks very often because he 323 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: and he's admitted it. The mentality is I have this 324 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: these number of pitches, I'm not going to be here 325 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: all game. So I'm just firing in the zone, try 326 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: and hit it. And what he's learned from game one 327 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: to whatever start he's at now. 328 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 4: Is it's not that it's not that he wasn't throwing 329 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 4: strikes early. It's that he's learned where in the zone 330 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 4: and his stuff plays best. 331 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: He's really and for me, learning that that quickly is 332 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: incredibly impressive, Like that's things that we've watched young pictures 333 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: take months or years to figure out. 334 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 4: It just it's not something that clicks like that. 335 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: I think I'd say that justin Steele, it took him 336 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: about a year year and a half to learn like, oh, 337 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: my stuff plays here, I can get away with this. 338 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 4: I remember when Edward Alzalie first. 339 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: Came up, they had to like really hammer into him, 340 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: like your stuff will play in the zone, throw it here, 341 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: throw it in the zone. And it's something that Kate 342 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: Horton like he already knew that, and now it's like 343 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: where in the zone and he's learned that. I hope 344 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't divert from that, because now he has ninety 345 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: pitches instead of seventy five. I don't think he will, 346 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: but that would be my only real concern like does 347 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: anything change because he knows he's not on as much 348 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: of a limit. But my belief in him is that, no, 349 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: what he learned something from having that limit. It's not 350 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: that he's restricted, it's that he learned something about himself 351 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: and now he can apply that whether it's seventy five pitches, 352 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: ninety one hundred and ten whatever. 353 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And Council has made the point of you know, 354 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 2: it's real easy to say, just throw strikes, but when 355 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 2: he throws strikes, bad things can happen, and it takes 356 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: a lot of conviction and confidence to go out and 357 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 2: do it the way Horton has. It's it's the elite 358 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: pitchers who do that, who can play in the zone 359 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: and get strikes and get some chase and you know, 360 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: kind of adapt from one at bat to the next. 361 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 2: And that I think is a big part of this too. 362 00:20:52,760 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: His pedigree, his personality, all of that stuff is what 363 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: you're looking for, like the intangibles, the mound presence, the composure. 364 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: I don't think he could have done much more. I mean, 365 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 3: certainly under. 366 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: These limitations possible to have like a better season than 367 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: what he's accomplished. 368 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 3: And for me, like I kind of was waiting. 369 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: You know, we started having these conversations, I want to say, 370 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: around Labor Day weekend in Colorado, and you know, at that. 371 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 3: Point I thought maybe they'd split up the lefties. 372 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: In Boyd and in Managa so that they wouldn't be 373 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 2: so bunched together and getting lots of similar looks. Council 374 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: dismissed that idea, although I don't think it's an unreasonable thought, 375 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: and it comes have had in the past. It's kind 376 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 2: of floating around there now. But yeah, I think Whorton 377 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: has just stepped forward to degree that I don't think 378 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: you have to overthink it. 379 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. 380 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: Let's take a break and talk about someone that I 381 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: think is probably not in the discussion anymore. 382 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 4: For that game one starter crats. 383 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 7: I'm gonna steal a line right from the top here 384 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 7: about me Undies, a cut for every butt. 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Really looking back at his starts since that 406 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: Milwaukee start at the end of July, he's given up 407 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: runs in one, two, three, four, five, six. 408 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 4: Seven, eight, nine, nine of ten. 409 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: Starts, multiple runs in nine of ten starts, a lot 410 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: of fours and fives in there as far as runs allowed. 411 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I've been impressed with his ability 412 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: to quickly bounce back in those starts, it would be 413 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: like a bad first inning, and then he bounced back 414 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: this last one against the Pirates. 415 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: Look you, if you look at the zone that he had, 416 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 4: it was really tough for him. 417 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: He didn't get the corners, and that hurts for him 418 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: because you know, it puts him behind. But that's that's 419 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: excuse making because he's got to be able to bounce back. 420 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: And he had a bad game against a bad team, 421 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 1: against a team that's not that's like, that's not a 422 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: good offense, and he struggled. Uh, it was He's this 423 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: is not where you want him to be at this 424 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: point in the season. But it's also what like he's 425 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: at like one hundred and seventy something innings. It's a lot, 426 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: you know for a guy that combined has he thrown 427 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: that in the previous five years, you know, like it's 428 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: just it's it's a lot for him right now. 429 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's start with this that he's been a 430 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: the team's most valuable pitcher. He's been everything they could 431 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: have hoped for and more. He's an exemplary teammate. He 432 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: was an all star. I mean when you talk about 433 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: just like inning starts, wins, e Ra whip like he's 434 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: just he's carried this team for long stretches. 435 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine where they'd be without him. 436 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 2: Yep, But at this moment a council was pretty candid, 437 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 2: and I know there are times if you're watching the 438 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: kind of recorded TV part of his pregame stuff, you know, 439 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: sometimes he can come across as a little short where 440 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: there's just certain things that just don't interest him. But 441 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: there are times where he will just engage and be pretty. 442 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: Blunt and detailed. 443 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 2: And I believe it's our colleague Megan Montemiro was from 444 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: the Tribune who was asking this, and counsels just like, look, 445 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: the inning stuff could be a factor, but that's every 446 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: starter in the league, every started going into the playoffs, 447 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: has been pushed and has carried a big workload, like 448 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: any starter you're counting on. There are some degrees to 449 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 2: this obviously showed to you know, having that lower body injury. 450 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: I think Tywn had a lower body injury just like 451 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: stuff like that. Maybe there's not as much stress on 452 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: the arm, but for the most part, like, yeah, this 453 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: is the year, the time of year when you're starting pitcher, 454 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: like you kind of earn your keep and I still 455 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: think what we're talking about here with playoff starters, whether 456 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: it's Kate Horton or Matthew Boyd, like we're talking about 457 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: what maybe like four and one third innings, Like I 458 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 2: don't think asking them to throw one hundred and twenty 459 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 2: pitches and face batters in the ninth. 460 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 3: So I still think there are ways for Boyd. 461 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: And maybe it's game three starter to be you know 462 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: a big part of this. Maybe it's in game two 463 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 2: the Cubs have their backs against the wall and he 464 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: has to come in after showdo like who knows. That's 465 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: probably more far fetched. But his council's point is that 466 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: an elimination game, your best pitchers pitch period, and so 467 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: that mapping things out of like oh this guy start 468 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: game three and then the next round, what about you 469 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 2: know game one started. They're like, no, that's not how 470 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 2: this works. So I still think, like counsel said, Boyd 471 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 2: has delivered. They're confident that he will again. But this 472 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: is this has kind of been a rough patch, the 473 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: same like same thing we said about Horton, like just 474 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: watch the games, like just it's been just hasn't been 475 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 2: as crisp, hasn't been as sharp. 476 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard. 477 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: I think it's hard not to root for this guy 478 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: when you know him and you talk to him, and 479 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: even if you don't know him, you know his history, 480 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 1: you know what he's been through, so it's very it's 481 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: very easy to like you want to see him succeed. 482 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 4: And he was just so. 483 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: Dominant for such a long stretch that it just seemed like, Okay, 484 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: this guy won't slow down. But it's he's in the 485 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: top twenty five innings pitched higher, he's eighteenth and innings pitched. Wow, 486 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: Like that's crazy. I did not expect that this season. 487 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: You know, we're in an era where innings pitch just 488 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: isn't close to what it used to be. We're gonna 489 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: have maybe two or three guys make get to two 490 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: hundred innings pitched this year. 491 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 4: It's just such a rare occurrence. 492 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: One eighty is kind of the new two hundred and 493 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, like when we were kids, that was probably 494 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: two fifty. So it's just it's just a very different 495 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: we have to like change our mindset. So one hundred 496 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: and seven, it's one hundred and seventy four and a 497 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: third innings. That is insane amount For like I mean, 498 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: that's a lot. I shouldn't say insane a mont. That's 499 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,479 Speaker 1: a lot for any pitcher. 500 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 4: It is. 501 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: If you would have told me that he was throwing 502 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: that many and he's gonna make one more start, so he's. 503 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 4: Gonna push one eighty h I would have been shocked. 504 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a second. 505 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: It's gonna end up being, in all likelihood, the second 506 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: most innings he pitches in a season. That's it's it's 507 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: really it's a lot for his body to handle. That 508 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: he's doing as well as he has is incredibly impressive. 509 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: Your hope is he can give you, like you said, 510 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: four or five good innings, limited, limit the runs. You 511 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: don't want that disastrous first inning. Whatever he can do 512 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: to avoid those bad innings and just kind of keep 513 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: his team in the game, that could be huge. 514 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 4: Maybe, And maybe. 515 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: It's as simple as, look, this guy's gonna find a 516 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: second win. Maybe maybe you want the rough pack, which 517 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: now August and September is better than October. 518 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 4: You know like that that happens too. We've seen it before. 519 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: Guys kind of figure things out, and I'm sure we 520 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: know Matthew Boyd's going to put in the work. If 521 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: there's something off more than I'm tired. If there's actually 522 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: something off, he'll he'll put in the work and that 523 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: they have a really good, uh group of guys around 524 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: him to help figure those things out. 525 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 4: So we'll we'll see. But I do think it's a 526 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 4: it's it's obviously. 527 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: Not starting Game one that he's not in that discussion anymore, 528 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, and I'm a little I'm a 529 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: little concerned here. You know, I'm not I'm not going 530 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: to freak out because it's okay if he's your third starter, 531 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But also, like you you 532 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: want three really good pitchers going into the playoffs, you'd 533 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: love that. That's that. It just helps. And it also 534 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: gets back to what the first the first segment. Then 535 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: you don't have to be as concerned about the offense. 536 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: Has it really turned a corner, will it be hot? 537 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: Is Kyle Talker going to be ready for the playoff? 538 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: All that stuff? But well, we'll see. I think in 539 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: the end, it's just like you can be really happy 540 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: with what he gave you this season, but you get 541 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: greedy and you want more. 542 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 4: That's obviously the Cubs want more. He wants more. We'll 543 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 4: see where it takes him. 544 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,959 Speaker 2: And he was a big part of Cleveland's playoff run 545 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: last year. I mean, he pissed really well in the playoffs. 546 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: That's why he landed a really nice contract for a 547 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: guy who had been injured and bounced around for a while. 548 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 2: It's because he delivered for the Guardians in the postseason. 549 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: And yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if he comes up 550 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: big in certain moments here. But I do think it 551 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 2: has opened the door to what at the beginning of September, 552 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: you think, oh, his playoff experience, how well he's pitched 553 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: his just kind of demeanor and experience. Yeah, you know, 554 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 2: he's in that mix for Game one, and now it 555 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: seems like he's slid back a bit. 556 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 3: There's some work to do and some conversations to be had. 557 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 4: Yep. 558 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: And he threw eleven and two thirds innings in the 559 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: playoffs last year and three starts, so it's not like 560 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: you don't need them to go seven innings. It's great 561 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: if you can, but you don't need that. It's like 562 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: you said, like four or five innings and see what happens. 563 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: All right, Thanks so much for listening to everyone. This 564 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: is North Side Territory. 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