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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff.

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Speaker 1: You're a weekly podcast that reminds you that there's people

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Speaker 1: who become cool by doing cool stuff. I think that

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Speaker 1: people get the direction of it mixed up. It's not

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Speaker 1: that people are cool, so then they do cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: People become cool by doing cool stuff. That's that sounds

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Speaker 1: very dramatic because I have something in the back of

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Speaker 2: Are you saying actions matter?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Cool? Yeah, it matters less what you believe in

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Speaker 1: more what you do cool. But what I have done

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Speaker 1: is have Joelle Monique on.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Ooray?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, I am here. I've been trying new things

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Speaker 3: and they're going well. I'm probably the most hydrated and

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Speaker 3: well rested i've been in my adult life. So you know,

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Speaker 3: happy things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Your water bottle looks awesome. By the way, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I got it for free. It is to drink my

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Speaker 3: daily recommended amount of water. I call it my emotional

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Speaker 3: support water bottle. It is cleaned once a week.

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Speaker 2: I mean consistency. Love love to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I do. The rest of the intro

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Speaker 1: credits the other voice. Oh yeah, Sophie, Sophie.

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Speaker 2: That's me. I am not well rested or hydrated.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also here. Yes, I got really excited yesterday

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Speaker 1: I got these I've been hiking and so I got

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Speaker 1: these like fancy electrolyte mixes that are not but I

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Speaker 1: tried it while I wasn't hiking yesterday and it's like

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Speaker 1: the saltiest, craziest fucking thing. I don't know how I

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Speaker 3: It's like when you drink a gatorade you absolutely don't

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Speaker 3: need one. You're like, what is It's like sugary sweet

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Speaker 3: but also kind of salty, and your body is like,

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Speaker 3: we don't need it. It's too much.

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Speaker 1: It's just like, let's get through you as as quickly

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Speaker 2: That's one leftover gatory that you had when you were

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Speaker 2: like sick, and then you drink it and when you're

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Speaker 2: not sick and you're like, this is not it.

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Speaker 3: I did not want this.

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Speaker 2: Oh I like this intro. Wait, we have to do

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Speaker 2: the rest of it.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay. So Ian is our audio engineer, and our

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Speaker 1: theme music was written for us by someone who is

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Speaker 1: actually I was gonna say someone who's not a woman,

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Speaker 1: but she actually is a woman, but her name is

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Speaker 1: on woman. Yeah, that's who that's who.

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Speaker 2: You just confuse this shit out of everybody.

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Speaker 1: And that's okay, I know, I know, but I'm going

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Speaker 1: to confuse everyone every even more. Joelle, you ever heard

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Speaker 1: of breakfast?

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Speaker 3: I fucking love breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, the day it's best.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it's so goddamn good. And I have lots

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Speaker 3: of thoughts on breakfast randomly. Oh listen, you don't know

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Speaker 3: what you just got yourself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Today we're going to tell a story about breakfast,

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Speaker 1: about why it's important, especially to students. Are cool people

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Speaker 1: today took a long, hard look at what was standing

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Speaker 1: in the way of access to healthy breakfast for their community,

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Speaker 1: and they did something about it directly, feeding tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of kids every day. I could see Joelle's face.

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Speaker 1: I know it is. And of course what was standing

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Speaker 1: in the way of these kids having a healthy breakfast

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Speaker 1: were those classic problems capitalism and racism. Because today we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about the Black Panther Party and we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about their survival programs, the most famous

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Speaker 1: of which is their free breakfast program and how this

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Speaker 1: pressured the US government into forcing into feeding free breakfast

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Speaker 1: to kids.

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Speaker 3: But a great organization, Yeah, love us some black panthers. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: elite radicals.

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Speaker 1: They h well, I want to hear somebody. Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do I actually wrote up a bunch about

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Speaker 1: breakfast so we can talk about Yes, So there's a

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Speaker 1: slogan breakfast is the most important meal of the day.

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Speaker 1: tells me that it was a marketing slogan developed by

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Speaker 1: John Harvey Kellogg in order to move breakfast Cereal, that

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Speaker 1: demon that I know, Yeah, fucker, you want to know

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Speaker 1: more about him. There's a whole opposite of Cool People

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Speaker 1: don't know how compares to lunch or dinner. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna be like most important meal of the day,

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Speaker 1: but it is one of the important meals of the day.

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Speaker 3: There are three.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is It's a pretty classic setup. Not going

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Skipping breakfast fucks with your circadian rhythm.

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Speaker 1: It increases your risk of heart disease, type tube diabetes,

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Speaker 1: and a bunch of other shit. But most important to

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Speaker 1: proven eating breakfast provides short term cognition and memory benefits.

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Speaker 1: So if you eat a healthy breakfast, you do better

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Speaker 1: in school. There's noticeable, like trackable changes improvements in math, spelling, reading, attention,

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Speaker 1: aren't falling asleep in class as much. So I hate

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Speaker 1: to say Kellogg was right, was wrong.

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Speaker 3: He was on He knew two things that you need

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Speaker 3: breakfast and that masturbation leads to evil. Yeah he was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you take what you can get. No, no, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So disappointed with our serial selections. He made to be

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Speaker 3: were like, that is not it. What if we just

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Speaker 3: made it out of sugar and corn. Sugar and corn,

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Speaker 3: diabetes waiting to happen. It is a crazy wonderful trip.

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Speaker 3: If you have you gone back down the cereal aisle recently,

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Speaker 3: do you eat cereal for breakfast.

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Speaker 1: I do. I eat cereal for breakfast, and I like,

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Speaker 1: I usually pick. I have like a really not impressive

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Speaker 1: I pick the like least the like least sugary, but

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, are we talking like a great nuts?

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Speaker 1: I usually eat like Life or Crispecs.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, classics.

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Speaker 1: Classics, Yeah, what about you.

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Speaker 3: I don't eat cereal for breakfast anymore. I was becoming

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Speaker 3: on the calories and I said, my god, it's so delicious.

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Speaker 3: It's such a classic breakfast. I didn't realize I needed

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Speaker 3: to eat it. It's really annoying because it's so fucking good.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 3: But before I became the person I am today, I

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Speaker 3: was just a stoner who was poor, and oh my god,

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Speaker 3: cereal is so great because you could eat it for

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Speaker 3: any meal. It's also like five dollars max, right, Or

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Speaker 3: it was when I was buying cereal. I don't know

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Speaker 3: what the prices are now, but so if you accidentally

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Speaker 2: Dollar box c Cereal is actually like a gluten free

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely nice. Love that I think of cereal as

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Speaker 3: So where I was going was, oh, Oreos is my

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Speaker 1: I've never heard of this.

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Speaker 3: Oh my, Margaret, it is so divine.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's just like eating ice cream for breakfast.

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Speaker 1: One time when I had no money, but I had

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Speaker 1: these leftover cakes from a like event that no one

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Speaker 1: a science experiment called how many consecutive meals can I

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Speaker 1: replace with cake? Oh no, Margaret, the answer was five.

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Speaker 3: That is you know about that? That feels right? I

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Speaker 3: bet at four you were you were like, this fifth

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Speaker 3: absolutely must. When I was in a very similar situation,

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Speaker 3: sex workers, punks. I worked at a pizza place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you bring home the pizza and everyone loves

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Speaker 3: And it was the best. It was taken baysic organic,

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Marker, Honestly, it was right. It was just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we would always money for vodka.

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Speaker 3: The definitely was always ready for vodka. It's cold in

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Speaker 3: cold pizza. And it's also a great breakfast.

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Speaker 1: It truly is. I think that the breakfast we're going

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Speaker 1: you and I have. Just so glad.

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Speaker 3: But you mentioned children needing to be educated, so I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So, if there's one thing that black activists have

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Speaker 1: if they're wielded intentionally and not just part of recuperation

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Speaker 1: and again, which is to say, sometimes people look at

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Speaker 1: the survival programs of the Black Panther Party and they

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Speaker 1: them puzzles popular, compared to the real work of running

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Speaker 1: them for education that they could wield the better themselves

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Speaker 1: in their community, empower people to confront capitalism directly. It

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Speaker 1: also took an armed militant movement to set up that infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: so I don't want to. I mostly get mad at

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, they're completely merged you. The last month on

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Speaker 3: he recommended such a lovely book that I have cherished

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Speaker 3: called this Nonviolent Shit Will Get You Killed, Yeah, which

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Speaker 1: So people missed the parts where Rosa Parks saw Malcolm

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Speaker 3: You can't start it where you want to end. This

438
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: is just a good business tip. It's the best tip

439
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 3: I ever got. Whatever you think you're owed, asked like,

440
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 3: you could double it potentially, but just ask for way more.

441
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 3: You'll be surprised where you end up it all he thought, totally.

442
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 1: And so the other thing that you know, we talked

443
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: about this with Martin Luther Kinglin. Moment the movement was

444
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: coming from the rural South into cities across the US,

445
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Speaker 1: and you've got what's called them Great Migration, which is

446
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: split into two waves, when black people left the South

447
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: in great numbers. For most of the US's history, about

448
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 1: ninety percent of all black people lived in the US South,

449
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 1: with about eighty percent of them living rurally. It wasn't

450
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,719
Speaker 1: until nineteen ten that the Great Migration started, basically as

451
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Speaker 1: a result of Jim Crow laws, right as reconstruction was

452
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: destroyed by racists, and so people who were pissed off

453
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 1: about Jim Crow laws and lynchings and the general just

454
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: some franchise franchisement were like, all we're gonna get the

455
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: fuck out of here. We're not getting our forty acres

456
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: and two mules that we were promised. And the first

457
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: wave was huge, but it was actually the smaller of

458
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Speaker 1: the two waves. And millions of Black Americans moved to

459
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Speaker 1: mostly the mid Atlantic in the Northeast in this first migration.

460
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: Others actually moved within the South into cities. But if

461
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Speaker 1: you want to move into a city, you should put

462
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Speaker 1: all of your money into gold. Is that what we're advertising.

463
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: The transition? To me? I was like, is this a

464
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 3: thing that the people to have never heard? Of this.

465
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: It's hilarious.

466
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: Whatever it is we're advertising is clearly individually vetted by

467
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: me and signed off by Joelle and Sophie, and not

468
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: just a system by which we are able to continue

469
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: to eat food and feed our dogs by selling advertising space.

470
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Speaker 1: So you're sad.

471
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Speaker 3: Joy.

472
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Speaker 1: And we're back, okay. So that's the first wave of

473
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Speaker 1: the Great migration. Then you go World War Two, the

474
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Speaker 1: big war that happened when the US was like, we're

475
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Speaker 1: off to go smash racism. Just kidding, We're still segregated,

476
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: and like, you know, you're the segregated arm Anyway. We've

477
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: talked about that a couple times in the show, about

478
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Speaker 1: people being like fucking mad at the blatant hypocrisy. So

479
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: during World War Two you get the start of the

480
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: second wave. Skilled black workers moved to the West coast

481
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Speaker 1: into the north to work in military things, building airplanes

482
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Speaker 1: and shit. Between nineteen forty and nineteen seventy, the US's

483
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: black population went from rural to urban and down to

484
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: only about fifty three percent of folks living in the

485
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Speaker 1: South and forty seven percent now live elsewhere in the country.

486
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Speaker 1: This is a bigger migration of people than all of

487
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: the ones that white people talk about, like the Irish

488
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: and Italian migrations to the States, which were huge. Right now,

489
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: was a big I mean, that's how I ended up here,

490
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Speaker 1: right will part of me whatever. But it's not nearly

491
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Speaker 1: so massive as the Great Migration, and it's not in

492
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Speaker 1: some ways as culturally important.

493
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Speaker 3: It's it's the speed at which it happened and the

494
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Speaker 3: impact that has left on our culture is so interesting.

495
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Speaker 3: I feel like because both my parents' grandparents, yes, both

496
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 3: my parents' grandparents came up during the Great Migration. My

497
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 3: mom's family from Texas to Chicago, my dad's family from

498
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: Mississippi and Alabama up to Chicago. But because of that,

499
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: they were all raised by very Southern grandparents. And that's

500
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: back in the day when we have both generational families.

501
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Speaker 3: It's I think a reason that there remains such a

502
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 3: homogeny to Black culture across because you know, every Black culture,

503
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 3: if you look at different pockets are crossing, they're different,

504
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 3: but there's like a lot of homogenized threads through us.

505
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Speaker 3: And I think it's because migration happened so quickly that we,

506
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Speaker 3: you know, certain things just linger. And I think there's

507
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Speaker 3: like a lot of quote the traditional Southern ethics, styles

508
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 3: of living, ways of rearing children that remain within black

509
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Speaker 3: culture no matter where you live in the United States.

510
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Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, okay, So there's a weird coincidence

511
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: that happened at the same time as black people were

512
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: moving into cities, just purely by happenstance, all the white

513
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: people moved out to the suburbs.

514
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Speaker 3: Oh, just because they were just you know.

515
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened in what's called white flight and is

516
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's lots of bad stuff there.

517
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: I don't know enough heroes to do an episode about that,

518
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: and like redlining and all that shit. I'm sure those

519
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: people fought against it. Maybe one day we'll cover it.

520
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, so it turns out not just white people

521
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: in the South were racist, but white people all over

522
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: the country were racist. It is shocking to everyone who's listening.

523
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

524
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 2: So.

525
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Speaker 1: And it's the migrants and their children from the Great

526
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: Migration who bring us the black panthers starting in Oakland, California.

527
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: And that's why the Great Migration matters this story. And

528
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: they brought with them some rural values like armed self defense.

529
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: There's another place that a lot of the Panthers came from.

530
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Speaker 1: And that's the US military. Take for example I want

531
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Speaker 1: to use. I've been reading a bunch of books this week,

532
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite people is a man named

533
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Speaker 1: Quasi Ballagoon, who is cool as shit, and I want

534
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: to talk about him for a minute because he's so cool.

535
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 3: Please do what a name a classic?

536
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: I know, I think Balagoon is Yoruba, and I can't remember.

537
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't write down the origin or the

538
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: other of quasi Quasy. So Ballagoon grew up in Maryland,

539
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: where the civil rights movement wasn't so entirely committed to nonviolence.

540
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: It's actually a thing that I didn't know about by

541
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: that when we did the last episode on this. But

542
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: the Cambridge Riot of nineteen sixty three was where people

543
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: protesting segregation were routinely arrested and mistreated racists. The riot

544
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: here is white people being awful. They were setting black

545
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: businesses on fire and trying to like at one point,

546
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: they like drove a car into a black neighborhood and

547
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: so start shooting, but then they all had to flee

548
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: because of the black neighborhood starts shooting the fuck back.

549
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: I love it and here Cambridge, Maryland was under Marshall

550
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: Law for a year as a result of these riots.

551
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Speaker 1: The major civil rights leader on the East shore of

552
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Speaker 1: Maryland was a woman named Gloria Richardson, and she believed

553
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: in non violence as a strategy, but just a strategy.

554
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: And black snipers walked on rooftops, waited on rooftops to protest,

555
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: to protect nonviolent protesters from white supremacists. That's the Maryland

556
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: that Quasi grew up in. So he joins the army

557
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: because he grows up and it's his option, and he

558
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: deploys to Germany. And this is the mid sixties, and

559
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: racist soldiers keep fucking with black soldiers. So he and

560
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: other folks form a group called de Legislators, and the

561
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: legislators just beat the shit out of the racists.

562
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Speaker 3: Come through, Come through, legislators.

563
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I want to quote him directly. We blacks

564
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: who felt we were marked men, we had a secret

565
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: meeting and formed an organization based on fucking up racists.

566
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Speaker 1: We called ourselves de Legislators because we were going to

567
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: make and enforce new laws that were fair. From then on,

568
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: every time time a racial situation appeared, we did two

569
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 1: every time white gis ganged up on a black GI

570
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: we moved to more than even the score. One at

571
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Speaker 1: a time. We would catch up with them and beat

572
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: and stomp them so bad that helicopters would have to

573
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: be used to take them to better hospitals than the

574
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Speaker 1: ones in the area. We were not. Yeah, yeah, a bar?

575
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Speaker 3: What a bar is that? For the group?

576
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: I know?

577
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: Well, afterwards we would have critiques, just like at the

578
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: end of war games, get our alibis together and keep

579
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 1: the whole thing under our hats.

580
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Speaker 3: I'm inspired.

581
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Speaker 1: I know they got away with it too, because they

582
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: because no one talks, everyone walks because and they like

583
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: they performed it like military missions. They were like, how

584
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: do we fuck up this racist? You know?

585
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? And also there's not much you could do if

586
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: you're constantly getting your ass founded, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah,

587
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 3: y'all could be mad, but you kind of need us

588
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: here to fight your war. That's actually what you've designed

589
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: us to you a little bit. And now we're really

590
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: good at it. And you don't want to get stop?

591
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: Do you just stop saying? Also, the bar are so

592
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: low for hot to stop getting your ass beat. Just

593
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: keep your stop running your mouth and then it's over

594
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: a beautiful strategy. Brilliant.

595
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he spends three years in the military and

596
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: then he gets out. He's honorably discharged in nineteen sixty seven,

597
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: and now he knows how to fight, he knows how

598
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: to shoot, and he knows how to organize against racists.

599
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: And there's a long history of black men in the

600
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: US leaving the military and being like, oh, the real

601
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: enemy is here in the US, and suddenly happy sucks when.

602
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: Your enemy treats you better than your home country. That's

603
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 3: just got to be a total mindfuck to be like, Okay,

604
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 3: how are we better off in Nazi territory? Yeah, doesn't

605
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: make sense?

606
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Fuck. So soon enough he moves to New

607
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: York City. He's organizing rent strikes and volunteering with the

608
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: Central Harlem Committee for Self Defense. At one point, as

609
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: a housing protest, he shows up at US Congress at

610
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: hearing about housing problems and he brings a cage full

611
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: of rats as a visual aid for how black people

612
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 1: were housed in New York. He gets arrested for this.

613
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't even release the rats.

614
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: They said, we don't care if what your visual is true. Yeah,

615
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: you brought. I have to look at a rat. Send

616
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 3: him to prison where there are definitely more rats. Solving

617
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: the problem. Oh my god, exhausting.

618
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Speaker 1: He gets out. I don't think he spent too long

619
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: for that one. He goes. He spends a lot of

620
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: time in jail, but he gets into Black nationalism. His

621
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: time overseas had put him in contact with Africans and

622
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: he started wearing his hair natural. In New York City,

623
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: he started attending the Yoruba Temple, Yoruba being the religion

624
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: of the Yoruba people from mostly what is present day Nigeria.

625
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: And at this point he changed his name to Quasi Ballagoon.

626
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: And eventually the Panthers come to New York and he

627
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: joins and will pick up the rest of his story later.

628
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted to do a little aside about panthers

629
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: in the military.

630
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: Riveting.

631
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd. In October nineteen sixty six, the Black Panther

632
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: Party for Self Defense formed in Oakland, California. It was

633
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: started by two friends, Bobby Seal and Huey P.

634
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: Newton.

635
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Bobby Seeal was born in Texas moved with his family

636
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: to the Bay when he was eight. He joined the

637
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: Air Force he got kicked out for fighting an officer.

638
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: Then he went to Merit Community College with the goal

639
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: of becoming an engineer. Huey P. Newton was born in

640
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: Louisiana and his family fled the racist violence to the Bay.

641
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: He wounded up also at Merrit community colleges, where they

642
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: meet and become friends. It's not actually where the panthers start,

643
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: but and then there's this whole narrative I know a

644
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: little bit less about where over at the bigger schools,

645
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: African students brought the Marxism that had just sent their

646
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: countries free from colonization. So they started talking with folks

647
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: who went to the community colleges in the area and

648
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: setting up African study groups. And that when I like

649
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: that one I didn't read a book. I heard someone say,

650
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: so that is so fast.

651
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: I've never heard that before. But it makes a lot

652
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: of sense. That's fascinating, I.

653
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Know, And so that's why I like even though I yeah,

654
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: and Hughie and Bobby, both of them are like Malcolm

655
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 1: X is fucking right. Also, Robert F. Williams, the guy

656
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: from North Carolina who turned the NAACP in his town

657
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 1: into a community defense organization that guy was right too,

658
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: we should do something about all the fucking racism. Specifically

659
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: in this case, they wanted to do something about the

660
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: racist police, so they started the Black Panther Party for

661
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: Self Defense. A couple years later, it drops the for

662
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Self Defense and it's just the Black Panther Party. Bobby

663
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: is the chairman, Hue is the Minister of Defense. Their

664
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: first recruit is actually yet another Bobby, Bobby Hutton, who

665
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: was sixteen at the time, and he becomes the treasurer

666
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: and the first thing they there's kind of this thing

667
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you haven't the same way that

668
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: like Rosa Parks is like old in my head. Sometimes

669
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: when people do things in the sixties, they're inherently old,

670
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: right because they m and before I was born, you know.

671
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know, but my parents were born in

672
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: the late fifties, early sixties, and I envisioned anyone who

673
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 3: was an adult at the time of their birth to

674
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: be old. Yeah, no matter what they were doing or

675
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 3: what time period.

676
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But I think it's like really important

677
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: not to like put them down, but to raise them

678
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: up to be Like the Black Panthers is just some

679
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: people who are like we have a problem. What can

680
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: we do about it?

681
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: Most of them babies, Yeah, most of them so very

682
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: very very young, or you're like how, not even how,

683
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: but you're it lends so much space and credit to

684
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: what is accomplishable if you have a unified goal. And

685
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: their goals were simple and concrete, and therefore their plans

686
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: were effective, and they lived by the manter you gave earlier,

687
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: which is power to the people. Was the truxt of

688
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: everything they did. Was like, what if we just educated

689
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 3: and gave power the people, the power to make the

690
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 3: change you know that they want? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

691
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 1: No, they yeah, And I think it's like really telling

692
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: that they're inspiring across ideological lines and like always have been,

693
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, yes, well not always, like some people hated them, right,

694
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: but like you know, so the first thing they did

695
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: was community patrols. It was an armed cop watch basically,

696
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: and this is before cop watch was like a thing.

697
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: And they were like, well, it's legal to carry loaded

698
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: long long guns in this city, so we're gonna get

699
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: some shotguns and we're going to follow cops around and

700
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: tell everyone they're hassling what their rights are. Fuck.

701
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 3: That takes some courage, like yes, and again a brilliant

702
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,840
Speaker 3: strategy that lends because if you know your rights, you

703
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: know them when you're arrested. You know, then when you're

704
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 3: sitting in a prison cell, you know them when you're

705
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: being coursed into giving a statement. Yeah, you know, it's

706
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 3: just such a it's a as far as like act.

707
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: When I think about activism now, and I think especially

708
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: coming out of the era of activism we've come through,

709
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: where it was the visible activism to people outside of

710
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 3: the community was often led by quote an influencer, often

711
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 3: not actively engaged in the activism. And it's a problem.

712
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: And there's been great people on the ground making community

713
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: moments happen and making for a lot of change, but

714
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: it wasn't seen, I think, to the great majority of people,

715
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: just by design of the action. And I just it's

716
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: incredible to think about what these guys were doing early

717
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: and to think about how dangerous it was.

718
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and like I mean, it'll come up. A

719
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: lot of them don't survive, you know. Yeah, but first

720
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: they have to get some shotguns. They don't start out

721
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: with shotguns. They don't. They need some money, but you

722
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: know who has money. This isn't an ad transition. I

723
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: thought it was I know you do, dear listen, No, uh,

724
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: rich white liberals have money and what yourselves well to

725
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: rich white liberals the sort of authenticity of struggle by

726
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: people of color. So they bought Mao's Little Red Book

727
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: in bulk and sold it on college campuses at three

728
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: times markup to all the like young white communists around.

729
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 3: Amazing.

730
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: Yeah uh, and they use it to buy shotguns. And

731
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: they got their logo and therefore their name from the

732
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: the Lone Discounty Freedom Organization, which was an Alabama black

733
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: power group that was using a black panther as its logo.

734
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, they didn't come up with

735
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: a black panther. I don't care. They're like some people

736
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: who anyway.

737
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 3: They I mean, listen, this is what happens. You see

738
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 3: a symbol, you're like, hey, that feel like that represents me,

739
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: and they do adapt it and add it to your

740
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: That totally makes use up. The black Panthers sympoo looks

741
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 3: cold as fuck. That's why you still see so many

742
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: people in the free food program shirts. Yeah look amazing.

743
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. They got themselves a storefront all and they started

744
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 1: a newspaper. It was a small group at first. When

745
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: an unarmed black man was killed by cops in Richmond, California,

746
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: the Panthers, who are invited by the man's family, started

747
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: holding armed rallies to bring attention to that police murder.

748
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: People started trickling into the party because here people like

749
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: fucking doing something. And frankly, I read accounts of why

750
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: people joined the Panthers and a lot of people say, like, look,

751
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: the non violence shit was fine, but it just doesn't

752
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: speak to me, you know, but people like standing up,

753
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 1: so is non violence. I'm not trying to talk shit

754
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: on nonviolence, right, It's going to reach different people.

755
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: And yeah, you have to be somebody who can be

756
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: at peace in a chaotic situation to you embrace actual

757
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: nonviolent activism, because the very first thing that happens is

758
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: they're going to try to incite you into violence. And

759
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: if that is not you know, you can get spit on,

760
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: you might get hit. Like, it's so much zen to

761
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 3: be consistent in that kind of move me as opposed

762
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: to you know, if you hit me, I'm hit you back.

763
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense to me, I get

764
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: I'll be attracted to this approach.

765
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's one anecdote I ran across that want

766
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: to share. It's from the forward to a book whose

767
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: title I literally cannot say. I'm just going to call

768
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: the book just another dot dot dot. It is an

769
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: autobiography by the panthers Field Marshall Don Cox. It's a

770
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: brilliant book design. Cover too right, because this is just

771
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: another in white and then the other words in black.

772
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 1: It's like black on black and hard to read.

773
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: I love it.

774
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: His daughter was like clearly like mad that she had

775
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: to publish it under that name, but that was like

776
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: what he insisted on, and he had died right anyway.

777
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: This is his daughter writing from the introduction of that

778
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: book is Don Cox. Is Don Cox's daughter quote. When

779
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: I was going to a Lutheran school, I wore my

780
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: hair in a curly afro one day. How proud I

781
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: was until I got to school. The principle told me

782
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: that my hair looked a mess. I promptly called Daddy,

783
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: and I don't remember what I told him, but the

784
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: next thing I knew, here comes Daddy in about four

785
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: or five panthers, looking fine and sharp and all black turtlenecks, pants,

786
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: leather coats and berets. I never heard my daddy raise

787
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: his voice. I think I would have crapped my pants

788
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: if I did. And when he spoke, he always spoke

789
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: eloquently and softly and looked you directly in the eyes.

790
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: For people who didn't know him, that alone could make

791
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: them crap their pants. I didn't hear what he said

792
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: to the principal that day, but at the end of

793
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: the year I left that school for good.

794
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 3: M amazing.

795
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's like just the like a

796
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, that moment of like being like, yeah,

797
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: there's like people are gonna have some words if you're

798
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: you know, like, here come actual heroes.

799
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting, like, yeah, here come a group

800
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: of people to defend your right to just exist. And

801
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: I think frequently if that has been nigh to you,

802
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: especially as a child, my guy, like, it's really beautiful

803
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: that a whole bunch of people came together to make

804
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: sure that at the very least nobody was gonna up

805
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: with you anymore. I mean, they can probably change the

806
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 3: rules at the school or whatever, and I'm sure people

807
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 3: are still assholes, but at least she neither are people

808
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: who had.

809
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: Her back totally totally. But you know, who else has

810
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: your back?

811
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: Joelle?

812
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: Who has my back?

813
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: The products and services that support this show.

814
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: I feel so SUPPORTID. That's wonderful.

815
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: And we're back so well. You were not the most

816
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: effective way to get gun laws past us, Oh do tell?

817
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: The answer is once left us, especially immigrants and people

818
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: of color, especially black men, start carrying, Oh, right is in.

819
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: Then you feel the need to carry, and then the

820
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 3: gun laws of God to get more like I see.

821
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: The vision, Yeah, I see the vision. The very first

822
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: episode of this podcast was about German anarchist immigrants in

823
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Chicago and the first gun laws in that area were

824
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: passed because German immigrants were using the gun law to

825
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: have open carry parades, right for defend themselves as workers.

826
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: And so Chicago was like, never mind about the guns,

827
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: no more guns. It took California a little. Oh, and

828
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: then New York goes way back before the US was

829
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: even a thing. There were specific gun laws that they

830
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: wrote that were like no indigenous people and no Catholics

831
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: can own firearms.

832
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: They really hated the Catholics in New York for a while.

833
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 3: What a strange time that was.

834
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the Panther started open carrying loaded long guns

835
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 1: in California, and the government freaked the fuck out. Republicans,

836
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: including Ronald fucking Reagan, scrambled to outlaw open carry. This

837
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: was called the Mulford Act. Republicans, Democrats, and the National

838
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: Rifle Association all agreed, if black people are carrying guns,

839
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: guns should be illegal. And this isn't even like my

840
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: propagandist spin on this that I've never read any history

841
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: that disputes that this is what happened. So on May second,

842
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven, the Black Panthers entered the national spotlight.

843
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Twenty six armed Panthers showed up at the California State Capitol, like,

844
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: walked into the Capitol building with their guns. This is

845
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: before the law has passed, so it was legal for

846
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: them to do so. Six of them, including Bobby Seal,

847
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: were arrested. And this was incredibly good pr for the Panthers.

848
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it probably also made people even more like

849
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: to see, this is why we have to ban guns

850
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: or whatever. But like all over the country people were like, oh,

851
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: now we've heard of the Black Panthers and they're fucking cool.

852
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: Hell yeah. So they released their ten point platform. The

853
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: very first point is quote, we want freedom, we want

854
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: power to determine the destiny of our black community. And

855
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: then the rest of the points, it's things like, we

856
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: want full employment, we want to get the capitalists out,

857
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 1: we want housing, we want education that actually teaches people

858
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: the truth. We want black men to be exempted from

859
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: military service. We want the end of police brutality, we

860
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: want black men released from prison, we want trial by

861
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: actual juries of our actual peers. And the last one

862
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: was quote, we want land bred, housing, education, clothing, justice,

863
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: and peace.

864
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: It's so sad that we have gotten none of those.

865
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: Fuck.

866
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: Yep, fuck, that's really devastating.

867
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, but a beautiful list, a lovely thing to aspire to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They also very shortly after, got their first living martyr,

869
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Speaker 1: not so many dies. They got a political prisoner, Huey P. Newton,

870
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Speaker 1: one of the founders. He gets We actually don't know

871
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: what happened here. He was pulled over and arrested, and

872
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: then two cops ended up shot and Huey P. Newton

873
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 1: was also shot. One of the cops ended up shot

874
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: to death. This was our after Hughie was our already arrested.

875
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: The police's story is that Huey wrestled one of the

876
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: cops guns away from him and shot the cop to death.

877
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: The surviving cop story. Huey's story is that the two

878
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: cops were shooting at him, but they were standing on

879
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: opposite sides of him and shot each other friendly fire.

880
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: Sounds so fucking believable, So just appsite, I know, lutely.

881
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: Probable, I know, and like I also, like one panther later,

882
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of panther expose's that come out afterwards.

883
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Some of them are like people who still like the panthers,

884
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: some of people who don't like the panthers anymore, and

885
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: all this stuff right. One panther later claims hue would

886
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: drunkenly brag about killing the cop, But honestly, either way

887
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: is believable, and I kind of don't care, Like hmm,

888
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, yep, you're getting arrested by people who are

889
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: screaming and just as likely to kill you as not,

890
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: and you defend yourself and you managed to do it

891
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: while you're handcuffed. That's fucking powerful. Or cops are so

892
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: fucking because cops crossfire, shoot each other all the fucking time,

893
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: all the.

894
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: Goddamn time, shoot themselves in the foot, in the groin. Yeah,

895
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: it's just hit their partners.

896
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: Just yeah, So he was a Huey Panu was arrested

897
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: and he was convicted of murder in nineteen sixty eight,

898
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: but his conviction was overturned in nineteen seventy. Not that

899
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: he was specifically I think it wasn't that he was

900
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: specifically found innocent. I think is that they like found

901
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: that the trial was all fucked up and everything was

902
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: fucked up about it, and it was clearly all set

903
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: up and all this shit. But along the way, while

904
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: he's in jail, the free Hueye campaign spreads across the

905
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: country and the Panthers are off to the races. One

906
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: of the things I read about it is that like

907
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: the white radicals would wear our honkeys for Huey Pin.

908
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it's a solidarity, I.

909
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: Guess, yes. Especially in April nineteen sixty eight, when the

910
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: polite voice of civil rights doctor Martin Luther King Junior

911
00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: was murdered, the polite conversation was over, and so the

912
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: Panthers are now like at the forefront. Two days later,

913
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 1: during the riots that spread across the country after Martin

914
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: Luther King Junior was killed, some of the Panthers and

915
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: some cops ended up in a ninety minute shootout. There's

916
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: different versions of who started it. I don't fucking know,

917
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: kind of don't care, or rather I support the Panthers

918
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: either way. Is where I'm at. Bobby Hutton, who is

919
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: seventeen at the time, he was the first recruit. He

920
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: was the treasurer. He tried to surrender, He stripped down

921
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: before going outside to show that he was unarmed, and

922
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: the cops murdered him as he was trying to give

923
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: himself up. Yeah, and.

924
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

925
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: I'd just sit with that for a minute. It makes

926
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: me really fucking sad. Also in nineteen sixty eight, two

927
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: important things happen. First, the Panthers spread across the country,

928
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: like the more City Star chapters than I feel like

929
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: recitings like thirty six or something. Their newspaper has a

930
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: circulation of a quarter of a million copies at this point.

931
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: And the other main thing that starts in nineteen sixty eight,

932
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: which I'm really excited to talk about, are the survival programs,

933
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: most famously the free breakfast program, which we'll talk about

934
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. That's my cliffhanger about breakfast.

935
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: It's a good one. Thanks that's a good one. You

936
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: want to come back because you have to learn about

937
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 3: why we spent all that time talking about breakfast. Top

938
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: of the show.

939
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: They do so much cool shit the second half of this.

940
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: I'm so excited.

941
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, also cool are the things that you want to

942
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: talk about here at the end of the episode.

943
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: If you listen to the show, you probably like really

944
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 3: radical acts. My current radical act is to help a

945
00:49:55,880 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 3: friend launch a production company that seeks to rewrite the

946
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: codes by which we make film. Doing this in a

947
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 3: number of ways. We are studying and learning a lot

948
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 3: about New Zealand and the UK's film laws, which have

949
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 3: really strict laws about how long you can be on set,

950
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: what a break looks like, how people get paid. And

951
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: we're launching this by crafting a film. It's called Dinner.

952
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: It is a satirical horror film about the way toxic

953
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 3: work environments follow you home. It's very funny, it's super

954
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: dark and twisty. I'm elated to be making this film.

955
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm it with friends from college. I went to film school.

956
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 3: They went on to graduate from AFI and work for

957
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: a bunch of different production companies around town. And they all,

958
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: you know, all of us have been like, we want

959
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: to get back to our art, so this is our

960
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: chance to do that and hopefully create some change. So

961
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: we are raising money on a website. It's called Seed

962
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: and Spark Seed and Spark spa r K. If you

963
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: head over there, you can just type in dinner in

964
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 3: the search bark, type in my name Joel Monique It's

965
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,439
Speaker 3: j O E l E m oen iq u E

966
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: and you can do a couple of things. So if

967
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 3: you want to donate, that's so lovely and we appreciate it.

968
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: We are about thirty percent funded. We have the time

969
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 3: of this drops maybe thirty five days ish left to

970
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: raise the money we have I think about eight thousand

971
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: dollars left to go comewhere in there, so we're trucking along.

972
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 3: We just got a grant for fifteen hundred. You can

973
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: also just follow it. If you follow it, that helps

974
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: us become eligible for more grants. It's a huge help

975
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: and we love a follow. Or you can just share

976
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: the link with your buddies and be like, hey, this

977
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: cool person is making a film. Maybe support them. You

978
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 3: learn about our cast and crew and our goals on

979
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 3: the website, so it's just seen in spark dot com.

980
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: There's also a lot of other films if you want

981
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 3: to support indie filmmakers on there. In a time when

982
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 3: our industry is going through quite a lot of uphea will,

983
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 3: here's an opportunity for folks to really launch and hopefully

984
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: support long term careers in independent filmmaking.

985
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my spiel. Okay, that is a good spiel

986
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: and gonna be way too necessary in the very very

987
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: new future.

988
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 3: Maybe the studio system will collapse.

989
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, where would I get's corporate entity? Yeah?

990
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: Gone, there's no Internet where we could just launch films

991
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: of dope independent people. And there's a lot of little

992
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: indie cinema houses that could screen them. And what if

993
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 3: we had regional cinema. Look at what Bollywood's doing, It's

994
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 3: pretty cool. I have a lot of Yeah, if.

995
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: You want to follow me, I quit Twitter, so you

996
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: can't follow me there, I mean you still can. I

997
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: didn't delete it. Well, actually Twitter went away. I didn't

998
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: quit Twitter. Twitter just gave stopped existing. But I will

999
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: not continue on X because my quality of life has

1000
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: improved already in the week that I am not constantly

1001
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 1: shown transphobes. And you can find me on Instagram, which

1002
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: is Margaret Kiljoy and then you can also find me

1003
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Speaker 1: on substack. Now it's like the main way I'm doing

1004
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: a lot of my writing. And if you want to

1005
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: keep up with the kinds of things I used to

1006
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 1: talk about on Twitter, like community preparedness or little history

1007
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: bits that didn't fit into here, it's Margaret Kiljoy dot

1008
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Speaker 1: substack dot com. And twice a month I do a

1009
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1010
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1011
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1012
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1013
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1014
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1015
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