WEBVTT - Episode 65: Jim Knous 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.320 The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:03.840 much the equipment matters. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:05.760 I just love that I can hit any shot. 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:07.440 I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:09.480 some fun stories about what goes on here to help 0:00:09.520 --> 0:00:10.600 golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.920 Hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Pink proven Grounds Podcast. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.400 I am Shade Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.279 and Marty. I get excited about guests. This is like 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:24.440 high on my excitement level of guests. A guy you know, well, 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:25.960 a guy you've played a lot of golf against. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.680 Yeah, it's Jimmy hard K Welcome to the pod. Hey, 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:32.840 Jank you Jim went to the Colorado School of Mines, 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:33.600 my alma mater. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:34.760 What's up with that? 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:36.520 By the way, if you go to the School of Minds, 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:38.080 do you immediately get a job at Ping? Is that 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.160 kind of how this pipeline works. There's a little pipeline there. Yeah, 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.040 I think we're just counted up. We have a total 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.320 of eight engineers now from the School of Minds, including 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:50.640 Corey Bacon, who's been on the pod. Fellow Bacon, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.920 and Jim You know, I went to the School of minds. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.920 It was a D two school and you know, set 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.400 a few records, you know for wins and things of 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.040 this nature, and was it the you know, I got 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.280 in the Athletic Hall of Fame and then a long 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.319 come ten years later, Hard k here and just obliterated 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.479 every single record I set there. So you're so, you're done, 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.759 You're out, and he's in. First of all, thanks for 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.960 taking some time and joining the pod. I want to 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.440 kind of talk about your twenty twenty four because I 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.559 know it was extremely interesting with you kind of both 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.640 personally and then a career in career wise. I mean, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.080 you're a guy that's played professional golf most of your life. 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:27.160 You've had a lot of success as a pro. You've 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:28.680 played on the PGA Tour, You've played on the corn 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:30.679 Ferry Tour. I know you've won a ton of Mini 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:32.360 tour events and I want to see if you actually 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:34.600 even know the number to that at some point. But 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.000 you made a transition in twenty four after that great 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.440 run at the waste management. How has twenty twenty four 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:42.920 gone for you and how's it been working a ping? 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.000 Yeah, it's been a whirlwind of a year for sure, Shane. Yeah, 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.240 and you like you touched on getting into the Waste 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.280 Management Phoenix Open in twenty twenty four, Monday and incredible 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.480 dream week. I had already I had known that I 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.800 was going to come work at Paying. I had lost 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.720 my status the prior year on both PG Tour and 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.160 the Corn Forry Tour. Reached out you know, for for 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:06.760 for a few different places Paying, especially because I know, 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.520 you know, the heritage and the and the family feel, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.680 the small uh the small field, the small family feel 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.560 here at Paying. Wanted to be here. Whirlwind year. Got 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:19.800 the job with with Paying. Thank you to John k 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.200 and thank you to Marity. I was really excited to 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.680 start it started. I mean my start date I think 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.200 was end of February and mondayed into the Phoenix Open 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.040 early February. I was going, okay, well let's do this. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.840 You know, no pressure, Pressure's off, playing loose and free, 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.480 played great that that week, had a lot of fun, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.640 a lot of publicity, and then and then came to 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.320 work here paying, and family moved here to Phoenix. It 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.519 was it was a whirlwind of year. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:43.440 It's it's interesting. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.000 I mean, you know, we we don't dive into the 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.360 lives of pro golfers or mini tour golfers that often. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.360 But I mean your guy you have you have three kids? 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:51.840 Is that correct? 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:52.079 Yeah? 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:53.400 I mean married three kids. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.880 You know, you obviously know you have the game to 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.440 go out there and compete and play, but at some 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.640 point you've kind of got to look at the future, right, 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:01.480 and you've got look at where am I gonna make 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:03.240 consistent money? How can I make life a little bit 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.799 more consistent? How was that conversation with you and your 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.400 family to get to that point to maybe hang it 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:09.639 up a bit. I know you're still playing on I 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.360 want to get into that as well, but how did 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.800 you get to that point where you said, maybe playing 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:15.400 full time is not gonna be my life and let 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.160 me see if there's a there's an option elsewhere. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.800 Yeah, that's right, Shane. Is is a really hard discussion 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.160 and a hard conversation to have with my wife. But 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.800 but we had kind of honestly come to that realization 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.160 in that conversation when we had we had two kids 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.600 another one on the way. This was the end of 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.320 twenty twenty two. I had lost my PGA tour status. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.760 I was going into the twenty twenty three season with 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.040 conditional corn Ferry touristatus, not even great Cornferries, which is tough. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.160 Yeah, you've got to You've got a priority early in 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.360 the season to have a chance at that Ryan. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:44.400 And early in that season I had some back issues. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:45.960 I wasn't playing well. We had kind of had a 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:48.640 conversation throughout the year saying, hey, if you know, if 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.560 I if I continue with corn Ferry Tour or you know, 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.800 best case scenario, get the PGA Tours status, We're going 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:57.000 to continue this journey. But if not, I'm gonna have 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.360 to look elsewhere. I'm gonna have to look at you know, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.200 different because my priorities have changed, right with the three kids, 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.800 With the three young kids, I needed a good place 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.360 to earn a steady paycheck, if you will. I can't 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.320 do another year on the mini tours. As as fun 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.440 as that is. Sometimes it's really nice early in your career, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.280 you know, there's nothing, there's not really any uh. 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:20.520 Well, it's just you. I mean you know that. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.880 That's that's what happens early in your life. It's just you, 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:24.600 and the focus is on you, and this is my 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.880 dream and I'm gonna play. And then you start to 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.799 add those other factors in and all of a sudden, 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:30.880 it's like, well, I gotta I've got to provide for 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.240 these people. I mean this, these are these people look 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:33.560 at me. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.719 For Yeah, no, I'll say I add to the second 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.440 part of that decision came about when I was going 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.760 on I think a three or four week tournament stretch 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.000 and in that corn Ferry Tour season, and I think 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.840 my son was he was four or five at that time, 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.600 and I was I was about to pull out of 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.440 the out of the garage the head of the airport, 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.640 you know, to go who knows where, and my son goes, Dad, 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.520 I don't want you to go, you know, and he 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.080 gives me the the soft eyes in the in the 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.279 you know. Oh, I just I was crushed at that moment, 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.800 you know, And I said, well, maybe maybe this is 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.160 for the best. Maybe my priorities are changing in the 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:08.600 right way at that time. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.640 Jim, So, going back to the w M a year ago, now, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.039 was that the first time where you felt this kind 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.760 of I don't know, loose or freedom, like like you 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.919 didn't have your livelihood on the line anymore? And how 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.080 how what was your headspace like there? 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:26.800 Yeah, it was Me and my wife were joking about 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.599 this because It's funny. As a professional golfer, you're always 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:32.080 working to get into the flow state, you know, the 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.880 zen state where it just it's easy and nothing, nothing's 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.480 bothering you, and your swing is absolutely perfect and you're 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.560 chipping and making everything on the greens. And I think 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.600 I finally reached that state. But it had to be. 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:45.680 It had to be because I was I was stopping 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:48.800 playing professionally a full time, right, you know. I read 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:52.960 all the books Doctor Geo and then Bob Rotella and 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.159 how to how to get into this flow state and 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.240 how to I couldn't do it, you know, any everything 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.039 I tried. Finally I had this position where I was 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.760 taking a job here the pressure was actually off that 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.920 I literally had no pressure. I could have finished fifth 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.080 that week. I could have miscut would have felt the 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.200 exact same to me. Obviously, I wanted to play well, 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.280 but there was nothing on the line. My career wasn't 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.320 riding on the line, if you will, so I was 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:19.920 able to just go out there have fun. Like I said, 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.880 I really think I got in the flow state. Like 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.880 my swing was just on plane, you know. I was 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:27.320 just hammering the driver just so well all week, making 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.080 Potts like it was just it was just so fun. 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.280 Seventy two, sixty six, seventy sixty eight, you finished TI 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.520 twenty eight that week at the WM. Marty, I know 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.840 you've played at the WM as well. Can you just 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:41.000 kind of chat about to I'd like to hear from 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.120 both of you guys just about that experience, what it's 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:45.960 like playing in that environment. Marty, I know you've talked 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.200 a little bit about on the pod throughout some of 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:52.080 these episodes, But you know, like Matt McCarty you know, 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.360 you think about Matt McCarty this year in twenty twenty five, 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.919 get an opportunity to play in this event, you know, 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.760 growing up going to it, and you think about Max 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.400 home On when he won at Riviera. Like, major championships 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.960 are huge to play in. But for somebody that's local 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.000 to this area or somebody that has lived in this area, 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.360 the WM is everything. So can you just kind of 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.440 chat about those experiences of what it's like to stand 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.680 on sixteen for people that'll never get that opportunity. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.360 Yeah, it is truly like the Super Bowl and growing up, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.080 you know, it's like it hits me close. I grew 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.280 up being a standard bearer there when I was a kid, so, 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.040 you know, taking a couple of days off school, carrying 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.000 the sign, getting the autographs, doing that whole thing. It 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.240 was always like the pinnacle, like you know, and I 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.200 had played in plenty of majors. I knew what that 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:36.480 experience was. The WM is a next level, which is 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.760 really cool. Jim's first tournament he played on the PGA 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:44.600 Tour was in seventeen the WM. Corey Bacon caddied for 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.600 him in the Monday and to get in. And so 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.160 when I got in in twenty Jim was, I think 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.440 you had risk surgery or you were recovering or something 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.360 at the time. He came out and walked a few 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.320 practice rounds with me and gave me some tips, which 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.240 was really fun. It was a surreal experience. It was 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.240 just so fun to have like all my coworkers here 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.679 at ping, my local family, all my friends out there 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:10.320 following along. Super magical. Obviously I got to play Victor 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.040 Hoblin too, when he wasn't even on the tour yet 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:20.640 he got a sponsor's exemption. Very magical. A sixteen was 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.760 I was not as nervous on sixteen as I thought 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:24.880 I would be, and I think it was because a 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.400 you're hitting a short iron, you're hitting a wedge and 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.680 you can just rip it, so you'd like, okay, maybe 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.280 it's like you're hit your pitching wedge, like you know 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.960 one forty seven, you got one sixty two hole, you're 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.640 just ripping the pitching wedge. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.120 Don't pull left, but I'm gonna hit wedge. 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:41.080 And I hit two great shots on sixteen. That was 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.679 super memorable, And I loved having my family there, like 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:46.160 like my wife and kids. Most people don't know this, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.640 but when you play, they have a little special pathway 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.520 for your family. They get you right in because you're 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.080 kind of like, hey, how do I get in there right? 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.960 You know? So they have a couple thunderbirds fast track 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.040 your family right in their front row seat. Boom, they 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:00.400 get to be right there. I will. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.559 I'll never forget that, Jim, your experience. I'd love to 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:04.400 hear both of them. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.040 Right, yeah, the w and Phoenix op it. I mean 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.960 really it kind of bookends everything for me, even as 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.679 a as a as a kid at in college at 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:14.839 at Corloro School of Minds, me and my buddies would 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:16.880 me and the golf team, we'd take a trip. We'd 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.400 come down here and we'd watch the tournament. We'd go 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.720 to sixteen and watch the guys come through there, and 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.520 then like like Marty said, I mondayed in twenty seventeen, 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.880 had Corey Bacon on the bag, fellow engineer here and 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.520 he was a classmate of mine, same class, and we 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.280 just had a blast that that week. I missed the cut, unfortunately, 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.079 I missed, I think by one or two. But on sixteen, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.559 like Marty said, you're you're walking up there, you're playing 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.120 fourteen and fifteen, and you just kind of hear the rumble, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.600 you hear the roar, and like that's more of a 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.120 like heartbeat when you walk in, Marty said. Like Marty said, 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:52.560 it's like a steady rumble. It's like a steady buzz. Yeah, 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.720 So hitting the shot is actually not that bad, you know. 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:58.360 It's more when everybody's quiet and then there's like a 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.880 lot of noise closed, that's when it really gets to 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.200 you. It wa it's a steady buzz. It's really not that bad. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.760 I always thought on sixteen if everybody literally went quiet, 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:07.680 that would. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.480 Be crazy racking crazy. Got all these people and you 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.440 got the surrounding grand stands. But yeah, the constant noise 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:14.120 probably makes it little. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:15.600 Yeah, it would be for sure, that would be for 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.600 sure worse if everybody was just dead silent. But the 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.800 constant buzz I was happy to part. I've parted six times, 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.040 missed the cut the first time in twenty seventeen, but 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.480 I parted all the time. It was hilarious too. The 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.160 first time I went through there was early in the day, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.440 hit the green gout and cut some cheers. Hit it 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.319 to like thirty feet and two putt and kind of 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.640 got some cheers. The second time I went through there 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.520 on Friday, I was the last group. We were literally 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.480 the last group to go through there. Hit the green 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.520 at thirty feet, got boots, gonna say, make a whole one. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:42.880 If your last group, they're not going to be a 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.040 happy Yeah. Lagged it down there to a foot and 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.160 tapped it in you know from my par and walked 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:48.480 out of there with it. But it was it was 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:50.719 so much fun. That's a that's a great hole on 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.160 UH Saturday's round. This this this past year twenty twenty 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.520 four at wmpn SO. But I almost made a whole one. 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.319 It was that front left location. Hit it just passed 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.080 the hole and buzzed it back and almost went in 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.040 and unfortunately missed the putt but almost made a home 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.480 white crowd went crazy, you know, Saturday w It's it's amazing. 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.720 So I mean I mentioned maybe not your last start 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.160 on the PGA Tour because I mean, I know you're 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:15.560 working a ping and I want to get into how 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:17.800 that's gone for you over the last year. But are 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.880 you still playing? Are you still you know, trying to 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.840 play in state opens, are you still trying to money 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.320 qualify to events? Like how are you approaching job at 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.160 paying family? And then also obviously still have an interesting 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.520 game to play professional golf for sure, great question. 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.559 I'm definitely keeping the game up because I want to 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.640 keep playing. I'm following in your co host here, Marty's 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.200 footsteps with the PGA PGM program. So I'm going through 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.160 the PGM program. I'm going to get my PGA Class 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.559 A membership so i can play in the Southwest PGA 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:51.720 section of events. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:55.880 Marty sent an emails on the back end get him 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:56.960 out of here. We don't want this guy. 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.680 The main reason I have to beat the I have 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.040 to beat the boss, right, And so yeah, I played 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.920 a couple events this this last summer, the Colorado Open 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:07.040 being one of them, played well there, finished second, unfortunately 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.840 lost in the playoff. Played well at the Arizona Open, 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.520 but I was I was second engineer. Marty beat me 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:15.880 in that event, so a low engineer. Yeah, we gotta 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:17.200 keep we gotta keep the game up so I can 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:18.320 beat the boss listed Martin. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.040 Marty's no joke. You had a good summer, Marty. Marty 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.400 played very good, solid golf throughout the summer, as he 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:23.000 tends to do. 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.040 But I mean, will there be any money qualifiers? 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.800 Will you try to do any of that stuff or 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.680 will it be focused mostly on state stuff? 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:29.000 Yeah? 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.280 For sure, I'll play the money qualifiers that are kind 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.880 of close in region to Phoenix. You know, I'll play 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.600 with WM. I'll play farmers out in out in California, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.640 you know, the the SA Safeway whatever that's called now, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.600 so you know, if you here and there until at 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.480 least until they're around, I guess, you know. 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:51.200 Yeah, and Jim a couple of close calls in Fall 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:52.600 twenty four, right. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.040 Yeah, Fall twenty four, Yeah, up and up in Napa, 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.080 I played really well. Uh, and then and then in 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.959 Utah yeah, Utah, Yeah, I missed by one in Utah 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.599 and Las Vegas, So I was kind of I was 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.959 kind of bummed about that, but playing really good golf. Still, 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.760 I'm still happy to be shot sixty one a coror 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:14.640 Oude Open, So I mean, hey, it's still there. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.840 Still there can burn it up. You've played a ton 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:20.800 of Monday qualifiers, and Marty, i'd like your your kind 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.800 of thoughts on this as well. But what, like, you know, 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.440 so many people look at them. Obviously, everybody follows Ryan 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.360 on Instagram and on Twitter, and he's a great job 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.000 kind of chronicling Monday qualifiers and people trying to get 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.320 into events. You go on the first tea of a 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.720 Monday qualifier, like where's your head at versus playing a 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.080 four day golf tournament? You know, is it? Is it 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.960 like you know, a closer in baseball coming out and 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:44.080 just trying to throw his arm out for you know, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.559 two innings or one inning, or like, how do you 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.680 approach a money qualifier versus an Arizona Open or a 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:50.360 car Rude Open? 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.720 Completely different, completely different than than a tournament tournament round. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.319 I mean you probably agree with this, Marty, and that 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:00.400 you step on the first tee and a lot of 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.000 times you know that you're gonna have to shoot seven eight, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.280 potentially nine hunder par when I'm starting. When I'm starting 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.720 a tournament, I know it's potentially three rounds or four rounds, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.800 and the main goal is to not make many mistakes. 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.920 In a Monday qualifier. If you make a mistake, that's fine, 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.160 You're probably just not gonna Munday qualify. I mean four 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.240 players for a BJ Tour qualifier, three for WM out 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:24.560 of however many one hundred. You gotta be. You gotta 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.760 be on fire that day. You gotta be. You gotta 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.040 feel it. You gotta make a lot of putts. You 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.120 gotta make a lot of birdies. There might be a 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.800 mistake here and there. That's fine. It just means you're 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.040 not gonna make it. But in a tournament, I'm trying 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.240 to limit the number of mistakes that I make over 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.200 the over the of course of the tournament. Would you 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:40.520 agree with. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.800 That, I'm in a Monday qualifier. It's a binary result. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.320 You're either the jury or out. Yeah, you're playing. You're 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.640 playing a four round tournament. You know if you don't win, 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.440 you know it's it's hard rare to win. So you know, 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.520 your risk calculus changes you know, basically right from a 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:55.960 strategy standpoint. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.640 Interesting, I mean, you know you you think, like, do 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.520 you guys like cut up the who holes like you're 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:01.880 playing eighteen holes and it's like, all right, I need 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.440 to be one under through three, or I need to 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.040 be a couple under through three, or or break it 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:06.720 up that way or is it just simply you know, 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:07.920 foot on the pedal, let's go. 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.240 Uh yeah, that's a good question. I think. I think 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.000 you kind of know in your mind that the horse 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.000 the holes that you can score. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:16.520 On, right, like the poor five short part four or 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:17.240 someone like that. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.400 Part five short, part four us. I think in the 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.400 case of I play when I was up in Utah, 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.640 I was I was like one under through eight or 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.280 something like that. Nothing crazy, but I'm thinking, Okay, now 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.160 I gotta now, I gotta kind of step on the 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:30.880 gas a little bit, make the turn it I think 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.440 I made the turn of two under. I'm going, okay, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.400 I gotta get things going. So you still, I'm you're 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.200 still kind of calculating in my mind. I have this 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.120 weird sense of like I know what the number is 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:41.800 gonna be even while I'm playing. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.880 Like nailing it, Like you feel like you always get incredible. 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.280 I'm super good, so weird, Marty. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.000 Marty said, this is like there's worst golf and you're 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.000 saying that's your best guard. Was very interesting. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.680 Yeah, even this Utah one, I'm going I'm I'm thinking 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.800 it's gonna be a it's gonna be eight, and I'm 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.160 standing on the last hole at six. I'm going, well, 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.600 if I birdie at least, maybe i'll be at sat. 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.440 You know, I'll be at seven. Maybe there's a chance. 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.280 Well I roll it in for birdie and I get 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.640 to the clubhouse and I'm still in the playoff currently, 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:13.800 last group comes in eight on. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:15.000 Eight and I get nailed it. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.680 Yeah, Marty, what is what does Jim do so well 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.640 in terms of the way he plays? Like what you've 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:20.960 You've played a lot of golf with him, You've seen 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:22.880 him up close in personal and tournament golf. Like, what 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.880 does what does he do that impresses you? 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.320 Driving the golf ball? Well, I mean the two staples 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.600 driving the ball. So Jim's got a high ball speed 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.960 one eight, you know, high one seventies, one eighty ish 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.240 ball speed with the driver and hits it high. Okay, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.800 so he's got the towering trajectory that you're like, I 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.280 wish I could do that. Uh, and then he rolls 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:45.920 the rock. I mean, his putting is absolutely incredible. 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:47.200 That what you say, that's the best part of your game. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:48.800 Yeah, I would agree with that. Those are probably the 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:51.040 two strongest parts of my game, and in rolling the 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.800