1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 2: I just love that I can hit any shot. 4 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 3: I kind of want we're gonna be able to tell 5 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 3: some fun stories about what goes on here to help 6 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: golfers play better golf. 7 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 4: Hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Pink proven Grounds Podcast. 8 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 4: I am Shade Bacon, joined as always by Marty Jerts 9 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 4: and Marty. I get excited about guests. This is like 10 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 4: high on my excitement level of guests. A guy you know, well, 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 4: a guy you've played a lot of golf against. 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Jimmy hard K Welcome to the pod. Hey, 13 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 3: Jank you Jim went to the Colorado School of Mines, 14 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: my alma mater. 15 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: What's up with that? 16 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 4: By the way, if you go to the School of Minds, 17 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 4: do you immediately get a job at Ping? Is that 18 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 4: kind of how this pipeline works. There's a little pipeline there. Yeah, 19 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 4: I think we're just counted up. We have a total 20 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 4: of eight engineers now from the School of Minds, including 21 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: Corey Bacon, who's been on the pod. Fellow Bacon, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 22 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 4: and Jim You know, I went to the School of minds. 23 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 4: It was a D two school and you know, set 24 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 4: a few records, you know for wins and things of 25 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 4: this nature, and was it the you know, I got 26 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 4: in the Athletic Hall of Fame and then a long 27 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 4: come ten years later, Hard k here and just obliterated 28 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 4: every single record I set there. So you're so, you're done, 29 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 4: You're out, and he's in. First of all, thanks for 30 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 4: taking some time and joining the pod. I want to 31 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 4: kind of talk about your twenty twenty four because I 32 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 4: know it was extremely interesting with you kind of both 33 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: personally and then a career in career wise. I mean, 34 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 4: you're a guy that's played professional golf most of your life. 35 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 4: You've had a lot of success as a pro. You've 36 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 4: played on the PGA Tour, You've played on the corn 37 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 4: Ferry Tour. I know you've won a ton of Mini 38 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 4: tour events and I want to see if you actually 39 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 4: even know the number to that at some point. But 40 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: you made a transition in twenty four after that great 41 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 4: run at the waste management. How has twenty twenty four 42 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: gone for you and how's it been working a ping? 43 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a whirlwind of a year for sure, Shane. Yeah, 44 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: and you like you touched on getting into the Waste 45 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: Management Phoenix Open in twenty twenty four, Monday and incredible 46 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: dream week. I had already I had known that I 47 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: was going to come work at Paying. I had lost 48 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: my status the prior year on both PG Tour and 49 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: the Corn Forry Tour. Reached out you know, for for 50 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: for a few different places Paying, especially because I know, 51 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: you know, the heritage and the and the family feel, 52 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: the small uh the small field, the small family feel 53 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: here at Paying. Wanted to be here. Whirlwind year. Got 54 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: the job with with Paying. Thank you to John k 55 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: and thank you to Marity. I was really excited to 56 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: start it started. I mean my start date I think 57 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: was end of February and mondayed into the Phoenix Open 58 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: early February. I was going, okay, well let's do this. 59 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: You know, no pressure, Pressure's off, playing loose and free, 60 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: played great that that week, had a lot of fun, 61 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 2: a lot of publicity, and then and then came to 62 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: work here paying, and family moved here to Phoenix. It 63 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 2: was it was a whirlwind of year. 64 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: It's it's interesting. 65 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we we don't dive into the 66 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 4: lives of pro golfers or mini tour golfers that often. 67 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 4: But I mean your guy you have you have three kids? 68 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 69 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 2: Yeah? 70 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: I mean married three kids. 71 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 4: You know, you obviously know you have the game to 72 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: go out there and compete and play, but at some 73 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 4: point you've kind of got to look at the future, right, 74 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: and you've got look at where am I gonna make 75 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 4: consistent money? How can I make life a little bit 76 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 4: more consistent? How was that conversation with you and your 77 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 4: family to get to that point to maybe hang it 78 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 4: up a bit. I know you're still playing on I 79 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 4: want to get into that as well, but how did 80 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: you get to that point where you said, maybe playing 81 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: full time is not gonna be my life and let 82 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 4: me see if there's a there's an option elsewhere. 83 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Shane. Is is a really hard discussion 84 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: and a hard conversation to have with my wife. But 85 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: but we had kind of honestly come to that realization 86 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: in that conversation when we had we had two kids 87 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: another one on the way. This was the end of 88 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. I had lost my PGA tour status. 89 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: I was going into the twenty twenty three season with 90 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: conditional corn Ferry touristatus, not even great Cornferries, which is tough. 91 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got to You've got a priority early in 92 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 4: the season to have a chance at that Ryan. 93 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: And early in that season I had some back issues. 94 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: I wasn't playing well. We had kind of had a 95 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: conversation throughout the year saying, hey, if you know, if 96 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: I if I continue with corn Ferry Tour or you know, 97 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: best case scenario, get the PGA Tours status, We're going 98 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: to continue this journey. But if not, I'm gonna have 99 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 2: to look elsewhere. I'm gonna have to look at you know, 100 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: different because my priorities have changed, right with the three kids, 101 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: With the three young kids, I needed a good place 102 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: to earn a steady paycheck, if you will. I can't 103 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: do another year on the mini tours. As as fun 104 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: as that is. Sometimes it's really nice early in your career, 105 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: you know, there's nothing, there's not really any uh. 106 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: Well, it's just you. I mean you know that. 107 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: That's that's what happens early in your life. It's just you, 108 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 4: and the focus is on you, and this is my 109 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: dream and I'm gonna play. And then you start to 110 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,799 Speaker 4: add those other factors in and all of a sudden, 111 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: it's like, well, I gotta I've got to provide for 112 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: these people. I mean this, these are these people look 113 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: at me. 114 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 2: For Yeah, no, I'll say I add to the second 115 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: part of that decision came about when I was going 116 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: on I think a three or four week tournament stretch 117 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: and in that corn Ferry Tour season, and I think 118 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: my son was he was four or five at that time, 119 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: and I was I was about to pull out of 120 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: the out of the garage the head of the airport, 121 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: you know, to go who knows where, and my son goes, Dad, 122 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: I don't want you to go, you know, and he 123 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: gives me the the soft eyes in the in the 124 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: you know. Oh, I just I was crushed at that moment, 125 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: you know, And I said, well, maybe maybe this is 126 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: for the best. Maybe my priorities are changing in the 127 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: right way at that time. 128 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: Jim, So, going back to the w M a year ago, now, 129 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 3: was that the first time where you felt this kind 130 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: of I don't know, loose or freedom, like like you 131 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 3: didn't have your livelihood on the line anymore? And how 132 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: how what was your headspace like there? 133 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Me and my wife were joking about 134 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: this because It's funny. As a professional golfer, you're always 135 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: working to get into the flow state, you know, the 136 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: zen state where it just it's easy and nothing, nothing's 137 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 2: bothering you, and your swing is absolutely perfect and you're 138 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: chipping and making everything on the greens. And I think 139 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 2: I finally reached that state. But it had to be. 140 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: It had to be because I was I was stopping 141 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: playing professionally a full time, right, you know. I read 142 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: all the books Doctor Geo and then Bob Rotella and 143 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 2: how to how to get into this flow state and 144 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: how to I couldn't do it, you know, any everything 145 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: I tried. Finally I had this position where I was 146 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: taking a job here the pressure was actually off that 147 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: I literally had no pressure. I could have finished fifth 148 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: that week. I could have miscut would have felt the 149 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: exact same to me. Obviously, I wanted to play well, 150 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: but there was nothing on the line. My career wasn't 151 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: riding on the line, if you will, so I was 152 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: able to just go out there have fun. Like I said, 153 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: I really think I got in the flow state. Like 154 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: my swing was just on plane, you know. I was 155 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: just hammering the driver just so well all week, making 156 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: Potts like it was just it was just so fun. 157 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 4: Seventy two, sixty six, seventy sixty eight, you finished TI 158 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 4: twenty eight that week at the WM. Marty, I know 159 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 4: you've played at the WM as well. Can you just 160 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: kind of chat about to I'd like to hear from 161 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: both of you guys just about that experience, what it's 162 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: like playing in that environment. Marty, I know you've talked 163 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: a little bit about on the pod throughout some of 164 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: these episodes, But you know, like Matt McCarty you know, 165 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 4: you think about Matt McCarty this year in twenty twenty five, 166 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 4: get an opportunity to play in this event, you know, 167 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: growing up going to it, and you think about Max 168 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 4: home On when he won at Riviera. Like, major championships 169 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 4: are huge to play in. But for somebody that's local 170 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 4: to this area or somebody that has lived in this area, 171 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 4: the WM is everything. So can you just kind of 172 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 4: chat about those experiences of what it's like to stand 173 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 4: on sixteen for people that'll never get that opportunity. 174 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is truly like the Super Bowl and growing up, 175 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's like it hits me close. I grew 176 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: up being a standard bearer there when I was a kid, so, 177 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: you know, taking a couple of days off school, carrying 178 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 3: the sign, getting the autographs, doing that whole thing. It 179 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: was always like the pinnacle, like you know, and I 180 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: had played in plenty of majors. I knew what that 181 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: experience was. The WM is a next level, which is 182 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: really cool. Jim's first tournament he played on the PGA 183 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: Tour was in seventeen the WM. Corey Bacon caddied for 184 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: him in the Monday and to get in. And so 185 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: when I got in in twenty Jim was, I think 186 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: you had risk surgery or you were recovering or something 187 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: at the time. He came out and walked a few 188 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: practice rounds with me and gave me some tips, which 189 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: was really fun. It was a surreal experience. It was 190 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: just so fun to have like all my coworkers here 191 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 3: at ping, my local family, all my friends out there 192 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: following along. Super magical. Obviously I got to play Victor 193 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: Hoblin too, when he wasn't even on the tour yet 194 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: he got a sponsor's exemption. Very magical. A sixteen was 195 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: I was not as nervous on sixteen as I thought 196 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: I would be, and I think it was because a 197 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: you're hitting a short iron, you're hitting a wedge and 198 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: you can just rip it, so you'd like, okay, maybe 199 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 3: it's like you're hit your pitching wedge, like you know 200 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 3: one forty seven, you got one sixty two hole, you're 201 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: just ripping the pitching wedge. 202 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Don't pull left, but I'm gonna hit wedge. 203 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 3: And I hit two great shots on sixteen. That was 204 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 3: super memorable, And I loved having my family there, like 205 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: like my wife and kids. Most people don't know this, 206 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: but when you play, they have a little special pathway 207 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: for your family. They get you right in because you're 208 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: kind of like, hey, how do I get in there right? 209 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: You know? So they have a couple thunderbirds fast track 210 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: your family right in their front row seat. Boom, they 211 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: get to be right there. I will. 212 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: I'll never forget that, Jim, your experience. I'd love to 213 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: hear both of them. 214 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, the w and Phoenix op it. I mean 215 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: really it kind of bookends everything for me, even as 216 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 2: a as a as a kid at in college at 217 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 2: at Corloro School of Minds, me and my buddies would 218 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: me and the golf team, we'd take a trip. We'd 219 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: come down here and we'd watch the tournament. We'd go 220 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: to sixteen and watch the guys come through there, and 221 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: then like like Marty said, I mondayed in twenty seventeen, 222 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: had Corey Bacon on the bag, fellow engineer here and 223 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: he was a classmate of mine, same class, and we 224 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: just had a blast that that week. I missed the cut, unfortunately, 225 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 2: I missed, I think by one or two. But on sixteen, 226 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: like Marty said, you're you're walking up there, you're playing 227 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: fourteen and fifteen, and you just kind of hear the rumble, 228 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: you hear the roar, and like that's more of a 229 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: like heartbeat when you walk in, Marty said. Like Marty said, 230 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: it's like a steady rumble. It's like a steady buzz. Yeah, 231 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: So hitting the shot is actually not that bad, you know. 232 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: It's more when everybody's quiet and then there's like a 233 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: lot of noise closed, that's when it really gets to 234 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 2: you. It wa it's a steady buzz. It's really not that bad. 235 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: I always thought on sixteen if everybody literally went quiet, 236 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: that would. 237 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 4: Be crazy racking crazy. Got all these people and you 238 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 4: got the surrounding grand stands. But yeah, the constant noise 239 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: probably makes it little. 240 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be for sure, that would be for 241 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: sure worse if everybody was just dead silent. But the 242 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: constant buzz I was happy to part. I've parted six times, 243 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: missed the cut the first time in twenty seventeen, but 244 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: I parted all the time. It was hilarious too. The 245 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: first time I went through there was early in the day, 246 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: hit the green gout and cut some cheers. Hit it 247 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: to like thirty feet and two putt and kind of 248 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: got some cheers. The second time I went through there 249 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: on Friday, I was the last group. We were literally 250 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: the last group to go through there. Hit the green 251 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: at thirty feet, got boots, gonna say, make a whole one. 252 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 2: If your last group, they're not going to be a 253 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: happy Yeah. Lagged it down there to a foot and 254 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: tapped it in you know from my par and walked 255 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: out of there with it. But it was it was 256 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 2: so much fun. That's a that's a great hole on 257 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: UH Saturday's round. This this this past year twenty twenty 258 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 2: four at wmpn SO. But I almost made a whole one. 259 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 2: It was that front left location. Hit it just passed 260 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: the hole and buzzed it back and almost went in 261 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: and unfortunately missed the putt but almost made a home 262 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: white crowd went crazy, you know, Saturday w It's it's amazing. 263 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 4: So I mean I mentioned maybe not your last start 264 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 4: on the PGA Tour because I mean, I know you're 265 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 4: working a ping and I want to get into how 266 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: that's gone for you over the last year. But are 267 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 4: you still playing? Are you still you know, trying to 268 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 4: play in state opens, are you still trying to money 269 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: qualify to events? Like how are you approaching job at 270 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 4: paying family? And then also obviously still have an interesting 271 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: game to play professional golf for sure, great question. 272 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 2: I'm definitely keeping the game up because I want to 273 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: keep playing. I'm following in your co host here, Marty's 274 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 2: footsteps with the PGA PGM program. So I'm going through 275 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: the PGM program. I'm going to get my PGA Class 276 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 2: A membership so i can play in the Southwest PGA 277 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 2: section of events. 278 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: Marty sent an emails on the back end get him 279 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: out of here. We don't want this guy. 280 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 2: The main reason I have to beat the I have 281 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 2: to beat the boss, right, And so yeah, I played 282 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: a couple events this this last summer, the Colorado Open 283 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: being one of them, played well there, finished second, unfortunately 284 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: lost in the playoff. Played well at the Arizona Open, 285 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: but I was I was second engineer. Marty beat me 286 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: in that event, so a low engineer. Yeah, we gotta 287 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: keep we gotta keep the game up so I can 288 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: beat the boss listed Martin. 289 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 4: Marty's no joke. You had a good summer, Marty. Marty 290 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 4: played very good, solid golf throughout the summer, as he 291 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 4: tends to do. 292 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: But I mean, will there be any money qualifiers? 293 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 4: Will you try to do any of that stuff or 294 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 4: will it be focused mostly on state stuff? 295 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 296 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: For sure, I'll play the money qualifiers that are kind 297 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: of close in region to Phoenix. You know, I'll play 298 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: with WM. I'll play farmers out in out in California, 299 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 2: you know, the the SA Safeway whatever that's called now, 300 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: so you know, if you here and there until at 301 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: least until they're around, I guess, you know. 302 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jim a couple of close calls in Fall 303 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 3: twenty four, right. 304 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Fall twenty four, Yeah, up and up in Napa, 305 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: I played really well. Uh, and then and then in 306 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 2: Utah yeah, Utah, Yeah, I missed by one in Utah 307 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 2: and Las Vegas, So I was kind of I was 308 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 2: kind of bummed about that, but playing really good golf. Still, 309 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: I'm still happy to be shot sixty one a coror 310 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: Oude Open, So I mean, hey, it's still there. 311 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 4: Still there can burn it up. You've played a ton 312 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 4: of Monday qualifiers, and Marty, i'd like your your kind 313 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 4: of thoughts on this as well. But what, like, you know, 314 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 4: so many people look at them. Obviously, everybody follows Ryan 315 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 4: on Instagram and on Twitter, and he's a great job 316 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: kind of chronicling Monday qualifiers and people trying to get 317 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 4: into events. You go on the first tea of a 318 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: Monday qualifier, like where's your head at versus playing a 319 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 4: four day golf tournament? You know, is it? Is it 320 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 4: like you know, a closer in baseball coming out and 321 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 4: just trying to throw his arm out for you know, 322 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 4: two innings or one inning, or like, how do you 323 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 4: approach a money qualifier versus an Arizona Open or a 324 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 4: car Rude Open? 325 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: Completely different, completely different than than a tournament tournament round. 326 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 2: I mean you probably agree with this, Marty, and that 327 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: you step on the first tee and a lot of 328 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: times you know that you're gonna have to shoot seven eight, 329 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: potentially nine hunder par when I'm starting. When I'm starting 330 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: a tournament, I know it's potentially three rounds or four rounds, 331 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: and the main goal is to not make many mistakes. 332 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: In a Monday qualifier. If you make a mistake, that's fine, 333 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: You're probably just not gonna Munday qualify. I mean four 334 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: players for a BJ Tour qualifier, three for WM out 335 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: of however many one hundred. You gotta be. You gotta 336 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: be on fire that day. You gotta be. You gotta 337 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: feel it. You gotta make a lot of putts. You 338 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: gotta make a lot of birdies. There might be a 339 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: mistake here and there. That's fine. It just means you're 340 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: not gonna make it. But in a tournament, I'm trying 341 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: to limit the number of mistakes that I make over 342 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 2: the over the of course of the tournament. Would you 343 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: agree with. 344 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 3: That, I'm in a Monday qualifier. It's a binary result. 345 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: You're either the jury or out. Yeah, you're playing. You're 346 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: playing a four round tournament. You know if you don't win, 347 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: you know it's it's hard rare to win. So you know, 348 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 3: your risk calculus changes you know, basically right from a 349 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: strategy standpoint. 350 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: Interesting, I mean, you know you you think, like, do 351 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 4: you guys like cut up the who holes like you're 352 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: playing eighteen holes and it's like, all right, I need 353 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 4: to be one under through three, or I need to 354 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 4: be a couple under through three, or or break it 355 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 4: up that way or is it just simply you know, 356 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: foot on the pedal, let's go. 357 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's a good question. I think. I think 358 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: you kind of know in your mind that the horse 359 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: the holes that you can score. 360 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: On, right, like the poor five short part four or 361 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: someone like that. 362 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: Part five short, part four us. I think in the 363 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: case of I play when I was up in Utah, 364 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: I was I was like one under through eight or 365 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: something like that. Nothing crazy, but I'm thinking, Okay, now 366 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 2: I gotta now, I gotta kind of step on the 367 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: gas a little bit, make the turn it I think 368 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: I made the turn of two under. I'm going, okay, 369 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: I gotta get things going. So you still, I'm you're 370 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: still kind of calculating in my mind. I have this 371 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: weird sense of like I know what the number is 372 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: gonna be even while I'm playing. 373 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: Like nailing it, Like you feel like you always get incredible. 374 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: I'm super good, so weird, Marty. 375 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: Marty said, this is like there's worst golf and you're 376 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: saying that's your best guard. Was very interesting. 377 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, even this Utah one, I'm going I'm I'm thinking 378 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 2: it's gonna be a it's gonna be eight, and I'm 379 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: standing on the last hole at six. I'm going, well, 380 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: if I birdie at least, maybe i'll be at sat. 381 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: You know, I'll be at seven. Maybe there's a chance. 382 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: Well I roll it in for birdie and I get 383 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: to the clubhouse and I'm still in the playoff currently, 384 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: last group comes in eight on. 385 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: Eight and I get nailed it. 386 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, Marty, what is what does Jim do so well 387 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 4: in terms of the way he plays? Like what you've 388 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: You've played a lot of golf with him, You've seen 389 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 4: him up close in personal and tournament golf. Like, what 390 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: does what does he do that impresses you? 391 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 3: Driving the golf ball? Well, I mean the two staples 392 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: driving the ball. So Jim's got a high ball speed 393 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: one eight, you know, high one seventies, one eighty ish 394 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: ball speed with the driver and hits it high. Okay, 395 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 3: so he's got the towering trajectory that you're like, I 396 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: wish I could do that. Uh, and then he rolls 397 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: the rock. I mean, his putting is absolutely incredible. 398 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: That what you say, that's the best part of your game. 399 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that. Those are probably the 400 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: two strongest parts of my game, and in rolling the 401 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: rock is number one. That's that's Honestly, when I came 402 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: out of college and I needed things to work on, 403 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: I was watching these mini tour guys down here in Phoenix, 404 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: I was I was competing against them. One of the 405 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: things I need to do better drive the ball better, longer, 406 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: and make more putts. And that's that's what I did. 407 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: And I would say putting is now my number one. 408 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: What putter you got in the back right now? 409 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: I still use an old school ping vault two point 410 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: zero Dale answer that I believe our co host designed 411 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: over here. 412 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: Is that right. 413 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 3: I haven't done many putters, but I did do all 414 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: the design and cat work on that Dale answer, which 415 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 3: is really fun. And yeah, no, Jim didn't even know that. 416 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: But that's the putter. 417 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: We'll throw a photo up if you're watching this on 418 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 4: YouTube so you get a feel for the putter. How 419 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 4: long has it been in the bag. 420 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: It's been in there, oh gosh, probably since twenty eighteen, 421 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: So what is that? You know, well, six years. So 422 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: I was playing at a conventional length for a year, 423 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 2: and then I think right around there was a time 424 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: when like Bubba was using the armlock putter. If you 425 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: remember this, he went to I think it was the 426 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: Arna model, and he was just he was rolling pretty well. 427 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: It wasn't it didn't stay in his back very long. 428 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 2: But that was also the time when Coocher was rolling armlock, 429 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 2: and I mean he just absolutely rolled everything in. I 430 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 2: was on the PGA tour at that point or early 431 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and I was going, hey, you know, Tony, 432 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 2: can I experiment with this? You know, do we have 433 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 2: anything available? So I let Antnia at Serrano, our designer. 434 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: He was out at Innisbrook in Tampa. There. I was 435 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: playing the Valspar Championship and so we were just messing 436 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: around with it. It felt, it felt amazing. I already 437 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: had the shaft angle aligned with my forearm, so then 438 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: I and I already had a bit of a forward press, 439 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: so both of those things. Then you just extend the 440 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: shaft a little bit longer in the grip and put 441 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 2: it against your arm and bow. You got an armlock putter, 442 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: so it came really naturally to me. And then anything 443 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: inside eight feet, you know, ten feet just feels almost automatic. 444 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 3: Scary to play somebody like that, Marty, Yeah, Jim's putting 445 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 3: is I remember that at the WM a year ago 446 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: you made this pot on eighteen I think you described 447 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: any interview as drippy. 448 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: You know, just the speed is just a great way 449 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: to put it. 450 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 3: It's so perfect. It was drippy. 451 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: Let's lean in your work at Ping because I'm interested 452 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 4: in what you've done the last year. So can you 453 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 4: kind of explain to people what your role is, what 454 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 4: you do, how maybe your day to day looks in 455 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 4: week to week. 456 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, really fun role here at Ping. Thanks so, Marty. 457 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: He kind of he kind of brought me in with 458 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 2: a broad spectrum of responsibilities, which is really cool for me. 459 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: I get to see a lot of the different part 460 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: of the company. I get to work with the design engineers, 461 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: I get to work with ant I get to work 462 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 2: with engineering, I get to work with the fitters, I 463 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: get to work with the education team. So I would 464 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 2: I would break my role up into kind of three chunks, 465 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: being fitting performance, kind of working on the tools on 466 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 2: the back end that our accounts can use it, our 467 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: national accounts can use to help fit the average golfer better. 468 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: And part of that is designing new tools. I'm working 469 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: on a really cool tool that are internal master fitter 470 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 2: putter fitters can use when people come in the lab. 471 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: So that's really exciting working with the education team team 472 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 2: when accounts come in account visitations, getting the knowledge for 473 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 2: the new product that's coming out, and then also helping 474 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 2: on the back end with with our digital UH education 475 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: platform called ping Academy that you know, that's a big 476 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: that's a big thing for them. They can go on 477 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: there and learn about the new product and and about 478 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 2: our fitting foundations. That's another thing I've been working on. 479 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 2: And then the third the third thing being just kind 480 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: of jack of all trades. I'm just you know, if Paul, 481 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: doctor Paul Wood comes to me, hey can you do this? Yes, 482 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 2: you know, we we ran an awesome putter study with 483 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: a sports psychologist measuring brain activity that was really cool. 484 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: Anything Marty brings to me, you know, Okay, can you 485 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: do this tour research? Hey can you do these player tests? Hey? 486 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 2: Can you you know, run over to. 487 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Like do you pick up lunch sometimes? And I feel 488 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: like you're I mean, it hasn't come to that. Have 489 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: you ever been bored. 490 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: Ever? 491 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: It's like, what do you do everything? 492 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 4: And I'm like, I do almost everything if asked, And 493 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 4: by the way, that's a good way to be in 494 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 4: the first year at a job. 495 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: Can I do this? Sure, I'll do it, and maybe 496 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: i'll goog go ahead on the back end, but I'll 497 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: do it exactly. 498 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: My answer is just yes, yes, yes, I can do that. 499 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 4: It's a big part of sports broadcasting too, like, hey, 500 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 4: can you do baseball? You're like, oh, it's my favorite 501 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 4: sport and you go home and you're like, what is baseball? 502 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 4: I think, I don't know what this is, but I 503 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 4: could handle it. Marty, How has it been, I mean, 504 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 4: how did how did the conversation go when you guys 505 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 4: were chatting about potential work at paying And how has 506 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 4: it been the last year together? 507 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I think with Jim. I mean, to be honest, 508 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,479 Speaker 3: it's there's been a few times where we've had that 509 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 3: conversation over your career. You know, I don't know if 510 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: it didn't just happen last year, It didn't just happen. 511 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 3: You know, I think a few years into the mini tours, 512 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: maybe it's kind of like, hey, you know, you know, 513 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: I should I keep this thing going. And then Jim 514 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: then it got on the corn Ferry and it's like, Okay, 515 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: I don't need to talk to Jim for a few years. 516 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: He's good. 517 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 2: Mark's been a really good mentor for me in that aspect. 518 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then Jim gets on the PGA Tour. It's like, Okay, 519 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: I really don't need to talk to him for a while. 520 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 3: But then yeah, I mean, obviously I think I think 521 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 3: Jim got a little unlucky with some wrist injuries and 522 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 3: things of that nature that you know. Yeah, it was 523 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, we kind of stayed in touch 524 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 3: a little bit having that conversation, and it was during 525 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 3: the fall of twenty three as Jim talked about where 526 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: he got a little bit more serious, like, hey, you know, 527 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: three kids, it's time to kind of think about a transition. 528 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 3: I love Jim's approach, which is no golfer ever really 529 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 3: retires from golf, right, you know, it's kind of like, 530 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: Jim had this amazing PGA Tour, corn Fairy career, It's 531 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: time for the next phase of this thing. Let's help 532 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 3: let's help build someat build and fits some great golf equipment, 533 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 3: keep playing? Why not? 534 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: It's right? 535 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 4: Hey, I mean, Marty, are you carving out a space 536 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: for him? Is there a role that he fits into? 537 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 4: Or when you have somebody coming your way that obviously 538 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 4: has an elite level of play and a great knowledge 539 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 4: of the game and obviously went to an amazing school, like, 540 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 4: can you carve out a space for him within the team? 541 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 5: Yeah? 542 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 3: I think that's a good question. I think Jim described 543 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: his role. It's kind of a choose your own adventure role. 544 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: What we want to maximize for Jim. You know, he's 545 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: spent ten years out there on the tour with all 546 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: the little nuance of playing the game, which I admire, 547 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: and I have a lot to learn. You're asking Jim questions. 548 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 3: I'm like tuned in, like what's the answer to qualifiers? 549 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 3: But yeah, we wanted to create a situation for Jim 550 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 3: to like learn, So how do we maximize his learning? 551 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 3: And that's the kind of the scenarios in here, looking 552 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: backward at about exactly one year now, Jim is give 553 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: him in a spot where he can learn where see 554 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: where he has the most interest. It's been kind of 555 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 3: in the putter space, putter fitting, putter design, brain wave stuff. 556 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: I mean that's you know, he's such a good putter, 557 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 3: that's kind of where he's he's naturally gravitating towards. But yeah, no, 558 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 3: that's been that's been been the spot. And we have 559 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: him in a role where he's on that our ping 560 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 3: academy team. This is our team that teaches all of 561 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 3: our fitters how we fit here, kind of educates him 562 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: on new product. So there's also this philosophy in teaching 563 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 3: is where you do the most learning. So that's also 564 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: where we've had Jim kind of lined up. 565 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: Where did hard k come from? When did that start? 566 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? Nickname came about really in my professional career when 567 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 2: I came down here to play the Gateway Tour. You 568 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: guys probably remember remember. 569 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 5: The on the Gateway Tour Back in the day, I 570 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 5: was a Gateway Tour boy on the gate I absolutely 571 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 5: lost money as well on the Gateway Tour. You know, 572 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 5: you know, you know how there were like two people 573 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 5: that played Gateway Tour. There were the people that took 574 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 5: the checks home and the people that sent checks in. 575 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 5: I sent the checks. 576 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that. One of the starters, uh, you know, 577 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: found out the pronunciation my name canals the hard K. 578 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: So so from there on out, every time he you know, 579 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: I come up to Hey, hard Ka, Hey, Jimmy hard 580 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: k you know. And so when I got out on 581 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: the tour, that kind of just stuck. Everybody's just calling 582 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: me hard Kale over the plays. 583 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 3: It. 584 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: It's just kind of a nice it's a nice right. 585 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: It is a great. It's a really really good thank you. 586 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 4: How many many tours and tours do you think you've 587 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 4: played on? Do you think you could even count them? 588 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 4: Do you think it's like twelve? Uh No, I don't 589 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 4: think it's that many. It's probably it's probably eight ish, 590 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 4: you know, something like that, including Cornfery and PJ Tour. 591 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't branch out a ton 592 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 2: to be to be perfectly honest, I played Gateway Tour. 593 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 2: My my granda parents live here in Phoenix, so right 594 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: out of school I came down and lived with them. 595 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: Played the Gateway Tour solely got me, you know, like 596 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 2: what you were saying, I got my butt kicked by 597 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: everybody does down here, just playing NonStop, which was good 598 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 2: for me, my game got better because of that, and 599 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: then then a little bit on the East Coast, but 600 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: then mainly my goal was to get on the Corn 601 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 2: Forry Tour on the PGA Tour. So it was a 602 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 2: priority for me to play Corn Ferry Tour Q school 603 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: every single year. Saved up money, you know, to play 604 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 2: that every year, and finally got through i think five 605 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: five years in twenty sixteen, got through fall of twenty 606 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: sixteen on the Cornfory Tour. 607 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: How many wins do you know the amount of wins 608 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: you've had. 609 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: It's probably it's probably in the ten to fifteen area 610 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: somewhere in there. Pro wins. Nothing on the corp for 611 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: your tour and PGA Tour, unfortunately, nothing yet. Thank you. 612 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got a future ahead. 613 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 614 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 3: What's been some of your funnest moment or your the 615 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 3: funnest moment on the most memorable moment on the PGA Tour. 616 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 2: Most memorable moment on the PGA Tour for sure was 617 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: Hole in one at Tory Pine South number three, Sunday 618 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: Sunday Hole on one Tory Pines number three South, the 619 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 2: picturesque you know, down hill hole and to boot I'm 620 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: playing that hole with with Sung JM and Mark Leaschmann. 621 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: Great group following Tigers group. Tiger's playing that was twenty nineteen. 622 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 2: He's playing. There's like two hundred thousand people there. He's 623 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 2: playing number six, which, if you know, the course goes 624 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: back right, but the t the teaser right there. This 625 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: this whole area is. 626 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: Just catching yeah way too. 627 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,360 Speaker 2: And we're right in front of Ricky and JT. So 628 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 2: they got a massive crowd right behind us. So I 629 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 2: hit this shot and it's just a beautiful curving, you know, 630 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 2: just a slight draw. I played this nice little draw 631 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: penskin on the right side, bounces once, kind of trickles 632 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: three feet and go in, and I mean people just 633 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: went crazy, and I went crazy too. And I had 634 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 2: a friend playing with Tiger and he supposedly gave me 635 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 2: like a little clap clap, and you know, hey, I'm 636 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: just saying that he said that happened. But I take 637 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: I throw the clock, I take off running down the hill, 638 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: if you know. And I'm just I'm doing the high 639 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: five line. You know, everybody's just there. I'm just high 640 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: five all the way to the hole. It was best 641 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: moment by far on the PGA tour that it it. 642 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 2: You know, I bought some beverages for the clubhouse afterwards, 643 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 2: so that that put me back a little bit, but 644 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: it was worth it. I mean it was incredible. 645 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, can we talk about the hole in 646 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 4: one rule, about the buying the drinks? 647 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: Oh? 648 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 4: Man, I don't love it. I do think that it 649 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 4: should be switched. I do feel like you should be 650 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 4: rewarded for the one. 651 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: Now. 652 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 4: I get the idea that you had something great happen, 653 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 4: so you can kind of celebrate with everybody. 654 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: Else, But shouldn't you. 655 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 4: You know, like everything else you do successful in sport, 656 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 4: you're the person that receives accolades. 657 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 3: Right, then there's the interns thing, you can do it 658 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 3: in your club and all that. I mean, then it 659 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 3: gets all complicated. 660 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 4: So complicated, so complicated Europe, and then will be good exactly. Well, Jim, 661 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 4: it's been great chatting obviously, h I know everybody at 662 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 4: PING has been pop fired up to have you here, 663 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 4: what a resource you are, and obviously we're going to 664 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 4: continue to root for you in terms of your playing 665 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 4: as well, because, uh, it seems like you're still hungry, 666 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: it seems like you're still interested in Oh, absolutely, compeding. 667 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and thank you for having me today. And 668 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: like I said, I just gotta I just gotta be 669 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 2: good enough to beat Marty. I mean that's that's really 670 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 2: what it comes down to. It's gonna be hard looking 671 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: back on twenty four. 672 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 4: It's not gonna be easy the way that the way 673 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: that Marty's playing, in the way that Marty is training. 674 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 4: But uh, the hard K, the hard K, the man. 675 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 4: Fun to have you on the podcast. This is the 676 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 4: Ping Proven Grounds Podcast.