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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Didty perv Shawn Comes caught

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Speaker 1: licking his lips and rubbing his hands together, demanding extra

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Speaker 1: time for the Cassie Free Cough sex scene objection. Ow

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Speaker 1: and Didty testified once in a criminal case and he

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Speaker 1: was acquitted. Will he do it again? And tonight Ditty's revenge?

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Speaker 1: The state bracing for the Ditty defense. I'm means he grease.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Forty six thousand, seven hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: Pay on damages to a penthouse for one day.

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Speaker 3: Instruments of violence that might have been in that room so.

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Speaker 1: Much maybe oil, There were actually two slip and.

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Speaker 3: Falls, whips, maybe knives.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they were sitting on top of freak off jerms.

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Speaker 1: The state is plowing through its last witnesses in court

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Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we are learning from the courtroom today. But first

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Speaker 1: straight out to the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Standing by is

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Speaker 1: Tisa Tails. She is a pop culture investigator and star

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Speaker 1: off Tisa Tales on YouTube. Tisa what happened today today?

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Speaker 1: We found out some interesting stubs.

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Speaker 4: First of all, this All Star defense they promised to

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Speaker 4: put on has seemed to fall apart.

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Speaker 1: Diddy has actually gone from saying it's.

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Speaker 5: Going to be four weeks to two weeks to three.

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Speaker 4: To five days today expect to wrap up in one day.

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Speaker 4: They're also showing even more freak off tapes, and Diddy

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Speaker 4: is loving every second of it. He has been looking

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Speaker 4: his lists, he has been begging from her time. Today

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Speaker 4: he got so flustered from what was being shown on screen.

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Speaker 4: He leaned in, got flustered, took his glasses off, lead

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Speaker 2: Diddy is having a.

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Speaker 4: Little bit too much fun for my pace, but you

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Speaker 4: know what we need to get in there.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, phrase phrase, halt repeat. Okay, you're

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Speaker 1: saying he's having too much fun watching Cassie Ventura, the

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Speaker 1: so called love of his life, right behind the other

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Speaker 2: I know he was licking his lips, gross, rubbing his.

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Speaker 1: Hands together ill, but you said he took off his

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Speaker 1: fate glasses and did what he leaned in.

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Speaker 4: Closer, and he got so discombobulated because listen, last time

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Speaker 4: he was just watching Cassie and a man. Today, it

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Speaker 4: was a new freak golf tape where there were sex

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Speaker 4: workers plural.

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Speaker 1: Must've been too much. He was hot and bothered.

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Speaker 4: Leaning in getting the full view, got so flustered he

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Speaker 4: dropped stuff on the floor, picked it up, and got.

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Speaker 1: Right back to the screen.

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Speaker 2: Diddy is having a little bit too much fun for

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Speaker 4: But I guess this was the all star Kobe Bryant, Shaq,

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Speaker 4: Shaquille O'Neil dream team shack attack playoff that he always

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Speaker 4: made all his victims to to gate themselves too.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, I don't think Shaq or Jordan

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Speaker 1: are going to take very kindly to what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: And poor Kobe not here to defend himself. Troy Slayton,

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Speaker 1: don't you tell your clients how to behave in court?

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Speaker 1: The last thing that this jury needs to see as

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Speaker 1: far as the Combs defense team goes, is Shawn comes

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Speaker 1: licking his lips. I'm not even going to demonstrate that

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Speaker 1: licking his lips, rubbing his hands together like he's getting

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Speaker 1: He's rubbing his hands together and visibly visibly oh excited.

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Speaker 1: Is that a decent way to put it, watching the

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Speaker 1: Free Cough with the second love of his life, Cassie Ventura.

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Speaker 6: Although I appreciate you repretation of mister Burns from The

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Speaker 6: Simpsons rubbing your hands together, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: Uh, every it's on the defendant. Everything. Are analyzing every

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Speaker 6: And of course, as a defense attorney you are you

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Speaker 7: Wear certain clothes, to look a certain.

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Speaker 6: Way, to not comment too much, to not whisper to them,

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Speaker 1: You know. I'm thinking about how you should behave in

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Speaker 1: I remember distinctly during the Scott Peterson case. Peterson would

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Speaker 1: isn't that what Shawn Combs should be doing right now?

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Speaker 6: Sean Combs should be looking like he's innocent. He should

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Speaker 7: And I believe that the.

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Speaker 6: Prosecutors are going to have a hard time proving up

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Speaker 1: Like I said before, I think I found out what

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Speaker 1: Seawn Colmbs was writing, and his defense attorney, you know,

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Speaker 1: made him stop writing it because the jury might see it.

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Speaker 1: According to our sources, this is what he wrote. These

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Speaker 6: Okay, that's some crack report, Nancy, But you know, defendants

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Speaker 6: right things all the time.

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Speaker 2: On can't you keep him there?

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Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, I've got more for you.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true?

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Speaker 1: Tisa tales that while the new freak Off video is

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Speaker 1: being played, he starts like shaking his leg uncontrollably, you know,

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Speaker 1: like a dog scratching itself. Listen, it's like a dog.

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Speaker 4: Literally, You're looking at him and he's trying to act

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Speaker 1: Trying to grab that bone.

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Speaker 4: Whatever his defense lawyers told him to do, it has

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Speaker 4: gone out the window because did he see the only

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Speaker 4: thing that dominated his life, a perversion for the last

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Speaker 4: ten years, played out in front of him? And let's

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Speaker 4: be serious, Didney is probably overdue for a freak call.

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Speaker 4: So this is Christmas in Christmas in July, truly for.

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Speaker 1: This man joining me right, now special guest Rob Shooter.

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Speaker 2: You know him well.

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Speaker 1: He is the host of Naughty but Nice Awesome podcast.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at Rob Shooter, shut Er dot

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Speaker 1: substat dot com. Former publicist PR guru for Sean Comes.

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Speaker 1: He came to his census and quit after a couple

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Speaker 1: of years. Rob Shooter, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Ken Shawn Comes not control himself. The last thing he

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Speaker 1: needs the jury to see is him licking his lips

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Speaker 1: like he's about a tuckown into a t bone.

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Speaker 2: Rubbing his hands together.

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Speaker 5: It's so evil.

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Speaker 2: I mean ew in the middle of a freak off tape.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have predicted the Puffy would have known

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Speaker 5: better than this. This is a guy who's very carefully

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Speaker 5: created his image. The trouble is is that the bigger

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Speaker 5: you become as a star, the less people you listen to,

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Speaker 5: and you start just believing yourself. So even though he

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Speaker 5: doubt he's listening to them. He never really listened to

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Speaker 5: his way or the highway. And I gotta say, Nancy,

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Speaker 5: so far, at least until this moment, It's often worked

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Speaker 5: out for Puffy. He's very successful. He's made a ton

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Speaker 5: of money. This might be the end of that running streak.

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Speaker 1: But when you, I don't think he's successful on his own,

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Speaker 1: no offense. But I think he's been successful and managed

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Speaker 1: to stay out of trouble this long, largely because of

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Speaker 1: enablers like robs you Okay, not Rob Sheeter, because you

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Speaker 1: did come to your senses and quit. But all the

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Speaker 1: people that buy him illegal drugs. The drug mule that testified,

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Speaker 1: the bodyguard that physically dragged Cassie Ventura back to a

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Speaker 1: free cough, the other minion assistant that got immunity, that

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Speaker 1: hopped in.

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Speaker 2: The car on a gun ride to look.

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Speaker 1: For should Knight. It goes on and on and on.

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Speaker 1: The accountant that explained in an email idiot how to

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Speaker 1: get Cassie's parents to send extortion money. I mean, all

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Speaker 1: of these people enabled him to become what he is now.

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Speaker 1: He had a bubble around him. Christina Korum, who many

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Speaker 1: people believe is an unindicted co conspirator, I'm still wondering

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Speaker 1: what happened to her, why she didn't testify, But he

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Speaker 1: was enabled to do this. You know something you just said.

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Speaker 1: The more famous you are. The more you don't know

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Speaker 1: the word no. Listen to our friend Conan O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: When you go to a hotel.

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Speaker 8: Anytime you go to a hotel, you don't just check

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Speaker 8: in the way everybody else does. You send someone ahead

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Speaker 8: to prepare the hotel room for you.

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Speaker 1: Let's called preparing the sexy. That's from our friends at

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Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien the Late Show, and there little did he.

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Speaker 1: I'm really surprised the State hasn't even played this. He

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Speaker 1: is describing to Conan O'Brien on National TV how he

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Speaker 1: sends his minions ahead of him to quote, prepare the sexy.

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Speaker 1: But what the sexy has turned out to be, according

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Speaker 1: to the state, is forced rape, sex trafficking due to coercion, drugging, beatings,

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Speaker 1: and there's more. Listen, when I work hard and I

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Speaker 1: just like my room to be sexy.

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Speaker 8: Sure you like to prepare the sexy, is what you're saying.

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Speaker 8: You can't just count on the sexy. Compare the sexy.

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Speaker 3: You have to make sure you go through the proper

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Speaker 1: From our friends at the kendryned Brian Late Night show.

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Speaker 1: Is he that arrogant rob Sheeter. He's basically on live

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Speaker 1: national TV bragging about free coughs aka King Knight aka

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Speaker 1: Hotel Night aka wild King Knight, which, according to multiple

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Speaker 1: victims that have filed all those civil lawsuits, the jury

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Speaker 1: hasn't heard about them. But I dare, I dare the

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Speaker 1: defense to bring a good character because that will bring

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Speaker 1: in all of those prior bad acts, alleged bad acts.

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Speaker 1: So far, the jury hasn't heard about all those women.

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Speaker 1: Multiple women, including some miners, claim that they were drugged

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Speaker 1: and their rearings hurting, obviously having had sex without their

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Speaker 1: knowledge or consent. Okay, while I'm playing a Conan O'Brien

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Speaker 2: Court, think about it. This jury hasn't heard everything.

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Speaker 3: That we know.

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Speaker 1: Dozens they've got a toll free number set up for it,

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Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, Dozens of women describing being raped. Shooter.

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Speaker 1: And I know, in your line of business, you know

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Speaker 1: it's all glamorous, But in my line of business, I

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Speaker 1: deal every day with child rape victims. Adult rape victims,

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Speaker 1: adults that were child rape victims, and their lives are

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Speaker 1: forever changed.

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Speaker 2: Not in a good way, in a very very bad way.

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Speaker 2: So is he that arrogant that he is bragging about it?

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Speaker 5: On Conan O'Brian, A really simple answer is yes, We've

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Speaker 5: got the evidence, Nancy. This case is not that hard

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Speaker 5: to anybody who has been paying attention. Now, let's see

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Speaker 5: if the evidence can stand up to one of the

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Speaker 5: most famous, rich, successful people in the world. Did he

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Speaker 5: is used to get in his own way, His money,

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Speaker 5: his power, his celebrity has given him a life that

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Speaker 5: we can never ever imagine. Let's see if this is

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Speaker 5: the end of it. I think we all know where

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Speaker 5: the evidence is pointing.

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Speaker 1: You know, Rob Shehoter, I hate everything that you just said,

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Speaker 1: but I'm concerned. I'm concerned that it may be true because,

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Speaker 1: as you well remember, to doctor Bethany Marshall renounced like

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Speaker 1: oh Allen's joining us out of Beverly Hills, the author

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Speaker 4: What's happening in the courtroom is you see Diddy's team

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Speaker 4: moving the goalpost once again. They are saying that now

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Speaker 2: That is Diddy. Again, to Rob's point, this man has

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Speaker 4: He literally truly seems to believe that a decade to

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Speaker 4: And being one of the demons that walked the earth

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Speaker 4: Defense seems to be losing control of him, and again

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Speaker 4: it's just very, very stark. We're all waiting for Thursday

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Speaker 1: They started off saying the defense did that it would

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Speaker 1: So you stated that you believe that what's happening is

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Speaker 1: Okay, don't move, Rob Sheeter joining us hosts of Naughty

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Speaker 2: Rob, explain to me the likelihood that.

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Speaker 1: The defense team can talk Seawn Comes out of anything.

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Speaker 1: And remember, as you well know, he was acquitted in

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Speaker 5: Nancy, I've said since day one he's going to take

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: He believes in himself. He believes he's the smartest person

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: All the speculation aside as to what Shawn Combs will

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Speaker 10: HSI Special Agent Penlin reviews forceipts and payments made for

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Speaker 1: Tel's TISA. There is a specific charge in the federal indictment.

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Speaker 1: It's count three transporting sex workers across straight lines for

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Speaker 1: So there's no way around that. It's his American Express charge.

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Speaker 4: I gotta be honest with you, they were paying attention.

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Speaker 4: But again, it is like being stuck in the seventh

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Speaker 4: It was not the most exciting thing. However, the prosecution

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Speaker 2: That was very helpful.

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Speaker 4: Here is the flight log, Here is a text messages.

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Speaker 4: Here is the credit card charge.

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Speaker 1: Over and over and over.

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Speaker 4: The jury's eyes did seem to glaze over, but it

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Speaker 2: Back for redirect, it was again, here is the credit

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Speaker 4: also have them on bribery.

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Speaker 2: Let's not forget.

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Speaker 4: Did they not reached out to Eddie Garcia. Did they

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Speaker 11: An NDA on Colne's global stationery and send pictures of

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Speaker 4: That predicate acts, it looks like they have them dead

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Speaker 1: That taste of tails. I understand that cigar aficionados across

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Speaker 1: the world are shuddering because Sean Comes used expensive humidors

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Speaker 1: to store his baby oil and lube. What happened. What

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Speaker 1: happened is it let us into his head. First of all,

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Speaker 2: Be to be a billionaire?

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Speaker 1: And you are getting a humidifier to make sure.

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Speaker 4: You're ninety nine cent baby oil doesn't go bad. Baby oil,

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Speaker 4: I believe have a shelf life up forever. It showed

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Speaker 4: how fiercely it took it. It shows out of everything

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Speaker 1: And as much as every time the defense.

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Speaker 4: Just tries to make it seem like, oh, you mean

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Speaker 1: I've been puzzled and discussed.

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Speaker 4: It looks like why would you do this if this

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Speaker 4: he had others running his empire, and the one thing

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Speaker 1: That's the one thing we can guarantee, Rob Sheheeter joining us.

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Speaker 1: You can find it at Robsheeter dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 1: Rob did you hear what she said? How can literally

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Speaker 1: a billionaire that starts with be as in brother billionaire

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Speaker 1: be this cheap? I want to hear what if anything

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Speaker 1: you observed when you worked with Coms.

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Speaker 5: I think part of the reason he's a billionaire is

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Speaker 5: because he was cheap. Those parties he threw, those big

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Speaker 5: white parties. He never paid a dollar for those parties.

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Speaker 5: They were all subsidized. They were all sponsors. Puff knew

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Speaker 5: had hit the phones and raise money. He wasn't a

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Speaker 5: terrorly successful rapper or artist. He was a behind the

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Speaker 5: scenes businessman, and Puff was really cheap. He would never

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Speaker 5: pay unless he absolutely had to. So I'm not a

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Speaker 5: door surprise that he's buying in bulk and he's making

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Speaker 5: sure that the expiration date does not expire. He is

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Speaker 5: a cheap individual who has a lot of money. And

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Speaker 5: I got to say, in my experience of working with

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Speaker 5: many many stars, that's not that unusual.

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Speaker 1: You told me earlier that he wanted to eat a

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Speaker 1: fancy restaurants for free. He wanted free tickets to Fashion

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Speaker 1: Week to sit on the front row. He wanted to

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Speaker 1: fly free, to eat free, to attend events like NBA games,

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Speaker 1: all for free. Why he's got the money to pay.

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Speaker 5: For it because it made him feel powerful, Nancy. It

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Speaker 5: made him feel special, Nancy. You know what it's like

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Speaker 5: if you're at a restaurant and you get a free

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Speaker 5: piece of birthday cake, you feel great. Every day of

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Speaker 5: his life he needed people to tell him, to show

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Speaker 5: him just how special he believed he is, and for

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Speaker 5: the most part, everybody plays along.

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Speaker 1: Shooter. I don't get it. How can you pick up

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Speaker 1: the phone at three am and make your assistant wander

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Speaker 1: around Manhattan to find cheesecake. Not any cheesecake, Not the

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Speaker 1: cheesecake in the freezer section at Degostino's. Not that cheesecake.

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Speaker 1: I mean cheesecake from a high end, a five star restaurant,

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Speaker 1: and you get it or demand a better seat. I mean,

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Speaker 1: did anybody ever say no, comes in?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Ever, they didn't. No nance They didn't. Nobody around him

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Speaker 5: ever said no to him. And if you did, you

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Speaker 5: weren't around him for much longer. That's why I really

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Speaker 5: feel for his lawyers here. He has some really great lawyers,

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Speaker 5: but they have been literally restrained, put on a leash

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Speaker 5: by Puffy. He thinks he knows better than every single

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Speaker 5: one of those really qualified people there on his defense team,

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Speaker 5: and so he is running the show. He runs his life.

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Speaker 5: He's running the show, and for the first time ever,

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Speaker 5: his bag of magic tricks might not work.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, Rob Sheeter, is that apparently it

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Speaker 1: was not a very well kept secret about the free Coughs,

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Speaker 1: that many many people knew about them, but yet famous

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Speaker 1: celebs would continue to fly to his party and be

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Speaker 1: around him. I mean, you know the lyrics of Eminem,

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Speaker 1: who I love, when he rapped about Sean Combs and said,

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Speaker 1: I think the phrase goes r.

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Speaker 2: Ape r He didn't like he.

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Speaker 1: Didn't leave out a P did he Nobody got it?

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Speaker 1: He spelled rape or and then named P Diddy. What

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Speaker 1: was nobody listening? I was listening.

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Speaker 2: The world knew, but everybody and now all.

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Speaker 1: These celebris are going not me.

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Speaker 2: I want sat there.

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Speaker 1: They were there. They were there, eating the food, drinking

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Speaker 1: the liquor, going to these parties, and they knew what

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Speaker 1: was happening. They may not have attended the free cost

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Speaker 1: but it was not very secretive.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the whispers were there. I recently wrote a

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Speaker 5: column for the Hollywood Reporter about this, and I used

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Speaker 5: to convince myself that I didn't know anything, And after

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Speaker 5: a lot of reflection, I came to the conclusion that

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Speaker 5: I didn't want to know anything. And there's a big

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Speaker 5: difference there. Celebrity, money, fame, Nancy. We've seen this happen

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Speaker 5: a lot. There was a lot of people around Michael Jackson,

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Speaker 5: there was a lot of people around oj Simpson. Fame,

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Speaker 5: money power. It is intoxicating.

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Speaker 7: And now I think a lot.

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Speaker 5: Of people out there who were in business with Puff

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Speaker 5: have a reckoning. They have to come forward, they have

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Speaker 5: to say anythink they're not, but I think they do.

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Speaker 5: I think eventually they've all got sets up.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Never know which way a

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Speaker 1: trial is going to go. You really don't know what

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Speaker 1: the witness is going to say. Who could have predicted elite,

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Speaker 1: who could have predicted all the motions from mistrial evidence

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Speaker 1: starts pouring from the witness stand during the state's case,

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Speaker 1: and you look at your client like, that is.

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Speaker 2: Nothing like what you told me really happened.

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Speaker 1: It has literally been weeks in the Monahan Federal Courthouse

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Speaker 1: for the state.

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Speaker 2: What does the defense hold to.

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Speaker 1: Step back and do a hell Mary right now? By

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Speaker 1: all accounts, Shawn Combs is at peak diddy as he

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Speaker 1: awaits the commencement of the defense case, and in a

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Speaker 1: shocking development, the defense has dwindled from five weeks to

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Speaker 1: four weeks to three weeks to two weeks to one day.

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Speaker 1: Is this real or is this just a fake off

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Speaker 1: on the state so they'll be flat footed when it

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Speaker 1: comes time for a possible rebuttal case or even closing arguments,

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Speaker 1: the defense announcing they plan to rest in the next

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Speaker 1: twenty four to thirty six hours.

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Speaker 2: Can that be real?

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Speaker 1: Now? I want you to listen to what came out

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Speaker 1: in court, what Sean Combs had the gall to tailcass

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Speaker 1: even draw.

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Speaker 10: A text chat in May twenty seventeen shows how differently

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Speaker 10: the couple views their relationship. Ventura writes to Combs, you

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Speaker 10: get up. You dragged me down the hall by my hair.

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Speaker 10: I'm thirty years old. This isn't play anymore. I was

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Speaker 10: scared of your rage. I talk out of line sometimes

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Speaker 10: and I do apologize, but that doesn't mean I don't

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Speaker 10: love you, and your love shouldn't equate to what you

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Speaker 10: do for me. Physicality takes it somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: Boris had to tackle you puff. That's not love, that's possession.

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Speaker 2: I have bleeding cuts.

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Speaker 10: Combs responds that have been is unappreciative, saying I'm not

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Speaker 10: going to let someone done me when all I've done

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Speaker 10: is be nice. Any other woman in the world would

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Speaker 10: have been so happy you're whack for not keeping it

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Speaker 10: real when I and everyone knows you were acting like

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Speaker 10: a You know what.

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Speaker 1: I hardly know how to respond to that, but I

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Speaker 1: do know I would read it over and over and

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Speaker 1: over to the jury joining me. Tom Smith former NYPD

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Speaker 1: detective thirty years in narcotics, robbery, gang investigation, also FBI

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Speaker 1: Joint Terrorism Task Force. He is now the co host

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Speaker 1: of the gold Shields podcast. You can find him at

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Speaker 1: the gold Shieldshow dot com. Tom. He's nothing more than

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Speaker 1: a thug and a pimp.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear this?

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Speaker 1: She's saying I've got bleeding cuts. You dragged me by

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Speaker 1: my hair, and he says I'm not going to let

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Speaker 1: someone on me when all I've done is be nice. Really,

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Speaker 1: you saw the cast evenior beatdown video, right, Tom, All

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Speaker 1: I've done is be nice. Any other woman in the

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Speaker 1: world would be so happy you're wack for not keeping

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Speaker 1: it real when I and everyone knows you were acting

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Speaker 1: like a That's exactly what pimps do to the prostitutes.

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Speaker 1: They coerce and beat into working for them, turning trick

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Speaker 1: after trick after trick.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, it's all about intimidation and power and having something

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Speaker 12: over their victims.

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Speaker 7: And that's what Cassie is.

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Speaker 12: She's a victim and he exploited that at every chance

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Speaker 12: he could, with all that, with the beatings, with the dragging,

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Speaker 12: with the intimidation of ruining her if she didn't comply.

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Speaker 12: And that is all part of Sean Combe's persona when

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Speaker 12: it comes to this case, and that's what they're going

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Speaker 12: to nail him on. And that's the coercion that this

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Speaker 12: girl lived with with being with Sean Colmes, you know.

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Speaker 1: Tom Smith. When you get a pimp, okay, And it's

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Speaker 1: usually the women, the sex workers that are prosecuted. The

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00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: pimp and the john, they're not prosecuted. It's a sex

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Speaker 1: worker the woman it gets prosecuted. In this case against

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Speaker 1: Shawn Combs, I say he is nothing more than a pimp.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain how pimps manage to keep the women

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Speaker 1: that work for them in check?

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Speaker 12: Well, it't all a fear. It's violence and intimidation. And

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Speaker 12: the difference in Shawn Combs and a normal street pimp

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Speaker 12: is that no one is going to go against a

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Speaker 12: street pimp because they're so scared where Seawn Combs, there's

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Speaker 12: so much corroborating evidence against him about acting like this

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Speaker 12: and what he's done to these victims. And that's the

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Speaker 12: difference between going after a street kid and Seawan Combs.

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Speaker 12: And you're right, that's all he is is a pimp,

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Speaker 12: bottom line.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall. So I want you to weigh in

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Speaker 1: on what Tom Smith has just said, because when I

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Speaker 1: look at Comes, I don't see a star. I see

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Speaker 1: a pimp. And every pimp I've ever prosecuted had to

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Speaker 1: be a felony by the time I got a hold

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 2: Bait the women.

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Speaker 1: Drugged, the women, threatened them, coerced them, threatened their families.

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Speaker 1: The way we saw what happened to the threats on

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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura's family. They had to go take out a

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Speaker 1: home equity loan to bay his blackmail. According to the state,

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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's no different.

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Speaker 3: But you know, Nancy, what breaks my heart the most

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Speaker 3: when I listen to these communications is what I see

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Speaker 3: in my office that women come in thinking at first

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Speaker 3: that there's a real relationship, that that man is going

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Speaker 3: to protect them, that the initial three way is just

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Speaker 3: a little bit of wild excitement at the beginning of

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Speaker 3: a relationship that the first outfit that the guy buys

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Speaker 3: when they go shopping is like, oh my god, he

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Speaker 3: loves me. He probably has never bought a car tail

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00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 3: dress for anybody else before. So they do get seduced

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Speaker 3: into thinking there is a unique primary relationship.

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Speaker 2: Women do not choose to be abused.

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Speaker 3: They get drawn in little by little, interaction by interaction,

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Speaker 3: and then once it becomes full blown. If you listen

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Speaker 3: to this interaction between p Ditty and Cassie, he's not

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Speaker 3: listening to anything she says. Nothing is taken in, nothing

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Speaker 3: is digested. He's just rejecting everything she says, and he's

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Speaker 3: trying to get more and more power over her. So

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Speaker 3: for unfortunately for her, what begins as what is imagined

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Speaker 3: as a real relationship turns into a reign of terror.

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Speaker 1: Troy Slatin with me veter on trial lawyer out of

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Speaker 1: the La jurisdiction at Slaton Lawyers. Troy, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've managed to get the vision I've Sawn comes

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00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: hunched over that video screen, licking his lips and rubbing

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Speaker 1: his hands together, demanding extra time to watch Cassie Ventira

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Speaker 1: on v with the three six workers that he has

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Speaker 1: flown in for the freak off. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you can get that out of your mind and focus

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Speaker 1: on legal analysis.

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Speaker 2: I want to hear your take.

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Speaker 1: There's no way he can get out of count three,

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Speaker 1: which is paying to bring sex workers across state lines

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Speaker 1: for prostitution. No way out at least on that count.

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Speaker 7: Well.

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Speaker 6: I know that the defense pointed out that this so

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Speaker 6: called escort company, one of them called Cowboys for Angels,

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Speaker 6: only advertises entertainment. They don't advertise that it's for the

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Speaker 6: purposes of sex. And I look at a really close analogy, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: Imagine somebody in New Jersey hires a stripper, a male

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Speaker 6: stripper for a bachelorette party, and they cross state lines

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Speaker 6: for the purposes of performing at a at a bachelor

656
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 6: at or bachelor party. And then let's say some of

657
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 6: the people there at that party engage that entertainer for sex.

658
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 6: Does that mean that the purpose of the transportation was

659
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 6: for legal entertainment, although in a sexual way, or does

660
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 6: that mean that that person was transported for the purpose

661
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 6: of a sex act. So I think that there's some

662
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 6: nuances there. And I also notice in the photographs that

663
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 6: you were showing, some of the evidentiary photographs like the astroglide,

664
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 6: all lined up perfectly like it was on a shelf

665
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 6: at CBS. That was all done by an assistant. That

666
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 6: wasn't Diddy setting up all those bottles. That's what billionaires

667
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 6: and high net worth people do, even in their refrigerators,

668
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 6: in their sub zero, in their kitchen. They make sure

669
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 6: that every single bottle has the label facing forward. That's

670
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 6: what people like to see, and that's likely what their

671
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 6: assistant set up for them. That doesn't mean that Diddy

672
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 6: was putting those things in the human door himself. That

673
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 6: was so his assistant could show that they were doing

674
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 6: something good for their for their value, for their time,

675
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 6: for what they were being paid for.

676
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 7: That's what I see.

677
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: You know, Slayton, you really are amazing. You are and

678
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: I've always heard the devil is silver tongued, and if

679
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: you listen to long, it's like a snake charmer. The

680
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: more you watch it, the more you become symbiotic with it,

681
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: and you're in the groove and you start accepting it.

682
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: You're really good like that. But let's talk about the

683
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: nuances you just described. So let's follow your train of thought,

684
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: your assertation technical legal term bs to its logical conclusion.

685
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: So you're trying to say, you call it I admire

686
00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: that that okay, that Shall Combs with his own American

687
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: Express card flies a sex worker. And it's not across

688
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: the border from Jersey to New York. It's from LA

689
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: to a sex worker.

690
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 7: I think they call themselves an escort, which is not.

691
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 2: From LA to New York.

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00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: And your theory is he was brought that far just

693
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: to dance around in some anal floss a G string,

694
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: and then Cassie Venturira suddenly said, oh my stars, I

695
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: must have sex with him on video, and I must

696
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: be beaten by Sean Combs in the middle of it

697
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: for not doing it correctly. So that would be your

698
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: theory that Combs flew the sex worker, the male sex

699
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: worker across the country, a five hour flight to New

700
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: York and then to dance around in a G string.

701
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Speaker 2: That's what you're saying.

702
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,439
Speaker 1: That's the nuance lie that you just said.

703
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, I was never at one of Diddy's freakoffs.

704
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 6: I was never invited to any of the the White

705
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 6: Party or any of the other parties. So I'm telling

706
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 6: you I wasn't there. But what I can tell you

707
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 6: is that people can get caught up in the celebrity

708
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 6: in a moment. And although they may not have been

709
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 6: transported for the purpose of the sex act, for actually

710
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 6: having sex, maybe they were transported for a legal reason

711
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 6: and then decided to engage in the sex act because.

712
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: The to Carnegie Hall and and listened to the Nancy.

713
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they somehow they ended up butt naked

714
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: with a bunch of other sex workers raping Cassie Venturira.

715
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 6: You tried to say that he's like no other street pimp,

716
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 6: But Nancy, here's the huge difference.

717
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: Is like every other street pimp.

718
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 6: Well here's the difference, Nancy. Every street pimp gets does

719
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 6: what they do for money. They're making money on it.

720
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 6: This was not some sort of enterprise that was making

721
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 6: Diddy money by allegedly transporting an escort. You call a

722
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 6: sex worker across the state line. That didn't make him money,

723
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 6: That cost him money.

724
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: Now we remember an American hero, Officer Tara O'Sullivan, Sacramento PD,

725
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: just twenty six, gun down in a line of duty,

726
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: had served only six months before she was shot dead,

727
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: survived by brieving parents Dennis and Kelly, American hero Tara O'Sullivan,

728
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,