1 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, It's spilled Courtney with an army of normal folks. 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,239 Speaker 1: with Warren Hudson, right after these brief messages from our 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: general sponsors. All right, so you started being someone. What 5 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: is the first group you worked with? They've got to 6 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: be special to you. 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 2: My first group I worked with was in the library 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: in Birmingham, Alabama, Okay, and I was teaching them there 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: and having fun. So that was probably in ninety nine. 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 2: Tell me what's happened since then. I've trained over one 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: hundred thousand kids. My goal one hundred thousand thousand. My 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: goal is a million. So I'm a long ways away, 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: and I've been to Dubai teaching kids. I've been to India, 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: of Pings, Canada, I've been to Astrondam. I've been all 15 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: over the place Paris teaching children how to wake up 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: winning and how to choose peace instead of violence, how 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,919 Speaker 2: to make say that again, how to choose peace instead 18 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: of violence. 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: Understand, the piece that he used is not just peace. 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: It's p I E C E. 21 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: When he says choose peace over violence, it's talking about 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: a chess piece. But obviously metaphorically meaning peace peace. Yeah, 23 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: just just it's a great saying. 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: Just peace over violence. Yeah, because intellect, you know, the 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: only way to fight is to use your intellect, your mind, 26 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: your brain, use your you know, use your hair, get 27 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: your head in the game, think it through. Is this true? 28 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: It's just honest. It's just the absolute best I can do, 29 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: you know, because the moves you make determine the payth 30 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: you take, you know, and you can make some moves 31 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: and never recover from. I was telling us some kids 32 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: out of there, say, have you put a gun on 33 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: a police office? In your life? It's over? Your girlfriend 34 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: is gone? Your lap? What my girlfriend gone? Yeah? Your laptop? 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 2: Your yeah? Oh really, oh, coach, thank you for telling 36 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: me that. I get it now. And then so I 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: played with IF game. Hey man, this cop pull you over, 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: You're gonna pull your gun out? No, So I get 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: you got to play with IF games and give people 40 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 2: some narrows on how to handle stuff. I was telling 41 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: us some students the other day and what to's do 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: if you get stopped and uh, one of my students 43 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: comes to coach, I used what you said they were 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: that he let he gave me a break. I'm so 45 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: glad you said that. Let me. 46 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: The perspective of you, having been a police officer, a trooper, 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: a police officer, law enforcement is so interesting that this 48 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: touch is on so much stuff. When I raised my 49 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: kids and they got driving age, we got them there 50 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 1: permit and drove with them for a year to teach them, 51 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, use your blinker, turn into the corresponding lane, 52 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: don't go slow in the left lane, the basics, how 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: to drive safely, don't telgate. And then they got their license. 54 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: And also during that time is if you're speeding or 55 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: you do something stupid, make sure you pull over to 56 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: the right, not the left, Sit in the car, roil 57 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: your winded down, wait on the officer, don't get out 58 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: of the car, and the officer will ticket you and 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: it will suck, but that'll be the end of it. 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: That's what we taught. Came home alive. 61 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we taught our children. And to be 62 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: honest with you, pretty simple. 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: And when I. 64 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: Grew up in my world, I couldn't understand why anybody 65 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: would do anything different. It's dumb not to This is 66 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: my perspective. Now he's a fifty five year old man 67 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: and having work with all kinds of people all over 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: the place. I'm telling you, I could not understand. And 69 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: so I had a have a very very good friend. 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: He played an NFL and he and I coached little 71 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: league teams together while I was coaching high school ball, 72 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: which is nuts. And he's a black guy. 73 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: And. 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: Our kids played sports together. And so while my sons 75 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: were getting to be sixteen and driving, so were his. 76 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: And this guy is now a professional, He makes great money, 77 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: kids go to great private schools. And then we had 78 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: a conversation one day about how we teach our kids 79 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 1: to handle an approach from a police officer, and boy, 80 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: his perspective was completely different. But this is a man 81 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: who's upper middle class, lives in a five thousand square 82 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: foot home. All of his children are educating the best 83 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: private schools. His kids have amazing grades. These are kids 84 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: that are just great kids. And so in my mind, 85 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: we're from the same worlds until I learned that we're 86 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: not because of his skin color. As it as it 87 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: related to law enforcement, it is so simple. If you 88 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: get lit up by the blue lights, simply pull over, 89 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: stain the car where you wind it down. Things gonna 90 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: be okay. There's a large segment of our population that 91 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: that is very foreign to and really don't believe that, 92 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: and truly do run because they are petrified, scared, having 93 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: really not done much of anything. 94 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: Speak to that for me, Well, there are a few 95 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: bad apples out there, and it's not really that many, 96 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 2: but they move around a lot. And so what we 97 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: have to remember is that we have to make sure 98 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 2: we don't do anything to trigger anything to go band 99 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: because the gold is to come home alive. And so 100 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: you want to be kind, you want to be nice 101 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: and respectful, and you want to make sure your hands 102 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 2: are where he can see them at all times, and 103 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: don't make any fast moves. So just just do your part. 104 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: Control what you can control. You can control being nice, 105 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: You can control making sure he sees your hands. You 106 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: can control that you are courtesy and respectful, and you 107 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: do not want to take him off because it could 108 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 2: be a bad apple and he could go south. So or. 109 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: White kids don't think that way. Let's just be candid. Yeah, 110 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: and our kids don't have to think that. And I 111 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: get that, and I get that. Speak to that, Well, 112 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: you got a few bad apples, and you got some 113 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: people that are bad. But I tell people you still 114 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: have to control what you control. You still have to 115 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: do your part. 116 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: I tell my children that you got to be kind, 117 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: you got to be courtesy, and you got to be nice. 118 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: For officer. Please forgive me for anything I may done. 119 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: I apologize in advance. Thank you for your services, thank 120 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: you for being here. But please forgive me for anything 121 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: I may have done. I apologize in advance. Now you 122 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: just just armed him because you said I apologize in advance. 123 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and please with whatever I'm done. Now you ain't. 124 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: You ain't attacking you. You being the humble, So be 125 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: always be humble and kind and control what you can control. 126 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: Why do. 127 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: Why do you think black kids have to even go 128 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: through that lesson? 129 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: You got those few people that don't don't They don't 130 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: get it. They don't understand that we all are one. 131 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: And some people that you get it because when you 132 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: go to the guy house and you you went above 133 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: and beyond, when you do things you don't have to do, 134 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: you understand the concept that we're all connected and that 135 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: whatever I do is a ripple effect consequences for your 136 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: moves you make. And some people don't understand that. Some 137 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: people have been trained to mistreat black peopleople but they 138 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: don't understand whatever you do to somebody else, you're doing 139 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: to yourself. 140 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: But see what I've learned is and I can't believe 141 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying this because fifteen to twenty years ago, I 142 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: would not have even remotely understood this, is that I 143 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: do believe that in some situations that fear is warranted. 144 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: Fear from the black kid and idiot. 145 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: It's definitely warranted because you can see people make mistakes, 146 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: and there are some video footage and some officers saying 147 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: some things. It was not appropriate. You're white, you ain't 148 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 2: gotta no to worry about. That was on videos. So 149 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: it's some stuff. But people that is I mean, but 150 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: that's people. 151 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: But that's a thing, dude, I mean, it is a thing. 152 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: It's uncomfortable, but it's an uncomfortable truth. 153 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: It's real, it's alive and well. But at the same time, 154 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: I've had some white officers who I remember when I 155 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: was a trooper, some wife I had three or four 156 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: cell phones. I was a trooper. I they can't come 157 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: and they saw me leave the store and pulled me 158 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 2: over and they was roughing me up a little bit. 159 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: When I told you were a troop. Yeah, when they 160 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: banged out, oh, because they told me they thought I 161 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 2: was you know, because I had two or three cell phones. 162 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: I thought you were dealing, yeah or something. But anyway, 163 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: when they found out was a trooper, they they bagged off. 164 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: But they were white cops and they oh good, So 165 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: it was a different story. But yeah, so it's it's 166 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: few people. And they really didn't have no reason to 167 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 2: pull me over because they saw the cell phone. That's 168 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: not that is not nothing. Yeah, you ain't breaking, no breaking. Yeah, 169 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: they just thought I was a dealer. But uh so 170 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: how did that they went, that's you. Well, when they 171 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: saw my badge and my ID, they they backed off. 172 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: But but yeah, if I had been a regular person 173 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: in a different story. So yeah, it's it's like that. 174 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: I had this guy when I was a trooper told me, 175 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: he said, or your one of your colleagues were roughing 176 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: me up the other day. I said, he's a good guy. 177 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: He said to you, he's a good guy because you 178 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: is equal. But I'm a regular guy and he's not. 179 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: He roughed me up a little bit, and so he 180 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: had a point. So yeah, so I think when that 181 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: goes on for three or four generations you talk about 182 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: home training. You don't want your kids to get locked 183 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 2: up or get beat up or hurt by the law enforcement. 184 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: So after a few generations of that, part of home 185 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: training is don't trust the police, fear them. Well, I don't. 186 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to portray that. 187 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: I tell them to trust the police. Do control what 188 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: you control. You control being nice, You control your part. 189 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: Just just do be kind, be nice, be respectful. Because 190 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,599 Speaker 2: and I tell people like sometimes people came to me 191 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: and hey, or Frank, stop me and I need some 192 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: help on this. And I go, were you nice to Frank? 193 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: And I said, were you nice to him? And they goes, nah, 194 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: I can't help you. I can't. If you were nice 195 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 2: to him, I can help you. I can Frank, but 196 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: they're nice, and he goes, I said, if you were 197 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: you nice to frame and she said no, I was 198 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: mean to it. I can't help you because you you 199 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: violated you. Now, if you nice and Frank, I can 200 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: call him and go, hey, Frank, you know, but if 201 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: you were mean to him. 202 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: So even in situations like this and police reforming, getting 203 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: pulled over, you're using just to teach kids a different way. 204 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: To handle situations, a different way, to think, a different 205 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: way to solve problems, a different way to be kind 206 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: and humble, and to realize that we do what you 207 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 2: sincerely desire for others. What happened for you, life is 208 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: a paradox, is the opposite what you think. You think 209 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 2: you give you lou No, you give you win, just sir, 210 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: people going. 211 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: And likewise, if you treat people like crap, expect that 212 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: to happen. 213 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: You don't come to comma. Comma is real. Comma is real. 214 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: I've been stopped. I mean since I've not been a trooper, 215 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: I've been stopped and Comma they let me go because 216 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: comma cop made. Yeah, man, what you put I remember 217 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: one time this person stopped me and I went up 218 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: to the see the judge and the judge was singing 219 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: my rap song. I was like, Wow, today is the 220 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: best day of my life. 221 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: I go. 222 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: He said why, I said, you know who I am, 223 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: and he threw my case out. But the point is 224 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 2: the judge knew was singing my wrap song. I was like. 225 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 2: And then one time they wrote me some tickets for 226 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: I was teaching kids at my training center and they 227 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: was parking on the grass well, you're not allowed to 228 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: park on the grass because that's the covialation. And the 229 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 2: officer wrote me five tickets, and I went to court. 230 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: The judge threw them all out. The judge the officer, 231 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: can you charge you with what? Ignore? Throw them all out? 232 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: This or Hason And then the guy who was in 233 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: charge said, oh, we didn't know it was you were. 234 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: We didn't know who was. But you're not allowed to 235 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: park on the grass, even if you're teaching children for free. 236 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 2: And so they parking on the grass. The parents, I'm 237 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: gonna and you can't do that, un said, they wrote me. 238 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: But it just throw them a loud We'll be right back. 239 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Why'd you move from Birmingham to Atlanta? Because that's where 240 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: you are now? 241 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 2: This movie star called me and asks me, would I 242 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: be interested in moving to Atlanta teaching children chess? What 243 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 2: movie star? Her name was Jane Funder? 244 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: She said, I said her name was all that stopped 245 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: you act like that ain't nothing. 246 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, this is Jane Funder. I said, is 247 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: this Jane Funder? I'm President Bush, she said. He said, hello, 248 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: George Bush. Whoops, how'd you get my cell phone number? 249 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: My cell phone number is private. She said, I got connections. 250 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,359 Speaker 2: So my cell phone. 251 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: This you drop it like it ain't nobody this this 252 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: this movie star. Jane Fonda, who happens to be married 253 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: to Ted Turner, who happens to be worth a being, 254 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: just called me up one day. But that's what happened. 255 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: That's what happened. And she said, you want to move 256 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: to Atlanta? 257 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I trained about three hundred kids for her 258 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: and a couple of schools. And when I first started, 259 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 2: the kids were it was like maybe ahead about ten kids, 260 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 2: and then some of the other kids saw these other 261 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: kids playing, go wait a minute, if you can play 262 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 2: tim wait a minute, you know, and then start it 263 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: went from like was it in the school? Yeah, I 264 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: was in the school and actually doing it in two schools. Yeah. 265 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, we won a couple of championships and Jane championships, 266 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: citywide championships, state citywide. We had this Atlanta Public School championship. 267 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: So I remember Jane Funner told me that she sent 268 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: a got over there and he told her those kids 269 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: can learn because they are Latino kids, most of them Latinos. 270 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: And I said, I believe, I believe I can they 271 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 2: can learn. So I went over there, and we did 272 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: learn and they didn't win, and they were very good. 273 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: So after that experience, you stayed in Atlanta and opened 274 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: up what you call your training some right following this, 275 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: you're falling rights. 276 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: I opened up the train. I converted my personal home 277 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 2: into a training center because I'm committed and I'm all in. 278 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: And so we got parking for twelve cars because remember 279 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 2: they parking on the grass. So we got parking for 280 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: park And I'll be honest with you when I when 281 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: the news did a story on it title Perry saw 282 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 2: the news and paid for the parking lot. Are you kidding? 283 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: So God is good? My step to order from God? 284 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: God? 285 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: Uh? They called Tellor Priby called me and I said, 286 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: they is the best day of my life. Would you 287 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: like to know why? They said, no, we know why. 288 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: We about to FedEx. You'll check to pay for your 289 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: parking lot. I said, I answered the phone, this is 290 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 2: be the one that's orient that. It's the best day 291 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: of my life with you, I said, would you like 292 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 2: to know why? They said, no, we know why. Give 293 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: me your address. I'm about the FedEx. You'll check for 294 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 2: your parking lot. We know why we were It was 295 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: so funny, and I thought they were. I thought they 296 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: were just gonna mail me a regular They fed exit. 297 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: I got it the next day. I was like, wow, 298 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: I don't know they paid for it, but they paid 299 00:15:58,760 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: for what they fed exident. 300 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: So you turned your home into a quote chess training center. 301 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've trained over one hundred thousand kids. Tell me, 302 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: and you don't charge the kids. I don't charge the 303 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: kids to a point, but sometimes I charged a little some. 304 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: But those who can't pay, I tried to work with them. 305 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: I've never turned down anyone that needed my help. 306 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: And over what period of time have you trained one 307 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: hundred thousand kids in chess? 308 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: I started started in two thousand, so about twenty four years. 309 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: That's that's five thousand. That's four thousand kids a year. Yeah, 310 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: that's four thousand kids a year. 311 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes that's that's three hundred and fifty kids 312 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: a month. Yeah. I love what I do and it's 313 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: not work. I had a lady call me at one 314 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 2: thirty in the morning. Her name was Deborah Curry. Her 315 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: son was Robert Curry. He was in and out and 316 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: one coming home getting out of jail, well, just not 317 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: coming home at night. I say, so he was not 318 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: coming home. He was following the wrong crowd and she 319 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 2: had called every agency in Atlanta looking for help to 320 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: help her son, and so she called me one Thursday morning. 321 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 2: I took the call and she said, listen, I'm in desperation. 322 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: I need some help. I'm ordered by the court to 323 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: find someone to can sign a court Affidavid to help 324 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: me with my son for a year. Would you do that? 325 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 2: I said, yeah, it's a help to sign. He graduated. 326 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: And reporter asked me, why a would I take a 327 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: phone call from a complete stranger in the middle of 328 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 2: the night. I said, a full time soldier sleeps with 329 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: his boots on. It's not about me, It's about we, 330 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: and it takes teamwork to make the dream work. So 331 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 2: that's what I'm about. I'm about committed to doing everything 332 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: in my God giving power to teach our young people 333 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 2: that you're better than that and that you could be 334 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 2: a champion if you make the right moves. 335 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: Why are you doing this well, I've had a successful 336 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: car business making money, and even if you weren't doing this, 337 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: you were leading a good life. You were kind, you 338 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: were helping people, You did well as a trooper. And 339 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: then to flip a switch and do what you say 340 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: is a boss move and shut it down and do this. 341 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: I just find I think back to James Edge, who 342 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: I feel like saved my life because a lot of 343 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: people that was with me didn't make it. And so 344 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm just paying it for it like 345 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: he paid it for with me, and I just feel 346 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 2: compelled to do this. I love it. I remember paying 347 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: to be at an event one time and a lady 348 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 2: called me to volunteer to help at a school. I 349 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: left an event that I had paid lots of money 350 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: to be ed to go volunteer. So I'm committed. I 351 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: love it, and I don't do it for income. I 352 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: do it for impact. 353 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: You've got to have some cool stories of kids that 354 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: showed up to you that the game of chess and 355 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: the lessons that you taught them about life using chess 356 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: as a metaphor have turned the life around and done 357 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: some amazing things. Give me a couple. 358 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: Oh, man, I got one student who's a lawyer in 359 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: New York who I remember picking her up at five 360 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: am in the morning. We done stuff at five am. 361 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 2: She's in Birmingham, I mean Atlanta. She's in Atlanta. Now. 362 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: She stayed in Atlanta and she's a lawyer now in 363 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: New York. And I got a kid who's making all 364 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: A's valedictorian. I got a lot of kids who are 365 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: doing good. I had one kid that they never hired. 366 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: They never hire interns, they never pay interns, but they 367 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 2: say they pay him because he went above and beyond 368 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: and go to extra mile. So I'm teaching children how 369 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 2: to just navigate through. One kid almost went to jail 370 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: for a temptant murder on his own father. I trained him. 371 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: He became a state champion. I got a lot of 372 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: kids who are just rocking it. One of my one 373 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 2: parent came up to me, she's an orange. He said, 374 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 2: I noticed that the kids that you're teaching chess to 375 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 2: are making the best grades in the school. So I 376 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: have a lot of success story that I have kids 377 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: that are winning and that are just being humble and 378 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 2: will not harm you because we creating a force for good. 379 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: Just be a good human being. 380 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: They'll Flickinger and Paul Linksweller, who was our other coach, 381 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: convinced me that Chuss. I was always like, why are 382 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: all the smart people playing chess? And He's like, it's 383 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: the other way around. Chuss makes you smarter. 384 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 2: Agree with that, Yeah, it makes you smarter because you're 385 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: delaying gratification and you don't you don't do the first 386 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: thing that pops up. See, the computer would say make 387 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: this move, and then a few minutes later the community said, no, 388 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: don't make that move. I make that move. I lose 389 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: thirty moves down the road. So the longer you can 390 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: pause and punnah and reflect, the smarter your move's gonna be. 391 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 2: Because if you do the first thing that pops in 392 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: your head, you're gonna be in jail. You can go 393 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: to the jail and interview people, Hey, what happened? I 394 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: did the first thing? What about you? I did the 395 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: first Yeah, don't do that. You gotta pause, you gotta 396 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: sit back. You got to read the fine print. And 397 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 2: I learned this the hard way. A friend of mine, 398 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: her name is Fabe King. She called me. She said, Orr, 399 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 2: I need you to rent me this cars only eight 400 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: dollars a day. I said, okay, I'm doing it. But 401 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: by the time I got through, it was eight dollars 402 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: for the car. It was eight dollars actually if it 403 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: had a steering wheel, eight dollars. If it had wheels 404 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: over the eight dollars had I paid like a ninety 405 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: six dollars, Like what the fine print? You gotta don't 406 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: do the first thing that pops up, you gotta go. 407 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: You gotta get the fine print. Man fabee king, I'm 408 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: gonna call her. I was mad at her. Was ninety 409 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: six dollars because it was if it had tides on it, 410 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: you had to pay. If it had a radio, if 411 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 2: it had a cane, if it had a door on it. 412 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: That uh, that's what we call around here. Peace and 413 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: corn bread. Back in the day, back where I lived, 414 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: there were the gas stations were the corner store, and 415 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: they always had hot plates and they'd advertised nine nine 416 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: cent pis and corn bread, which when you didn't have 417 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: no money, nine nine cent piece of corn bread, it's 418 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: pretty good. But when you got in there, you wont 419 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: nine to nine cent piece and cornbread. But that hamhot 420 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: looked good. And then you wanted some butter or some 421 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: molasses or some honey for your corner bread, Well that 422 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: was twenty five cents. And what you're gonna wash it 423 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: down with? You gotta get some sweet tea, Well that 424 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: was a dollar fifteen. And by the time you made 425 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: it out of store, that ninety nine cent piece of 426 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: corn bread cost you six dollars. Same exact idea. How 427 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 1: many how many moves? If you're looking at a at 428 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: a board, Let's say each player's made their first fifteen 429 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: sixteen moves and you've made it through a classical opening. 430 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: Let's say let's say we're playing E forty five and 431 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: I played Roy Lopez and we're fourteen moves down the board, 432 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: so we're out of the opening in the mid game. Literally, 433 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: how many moves I had? Can you see? And are 434 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: you really thinking? 435 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: Well, only one? Let me tell you why, because I yeah, 436 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: only one EPIM gonna love on move because I only 437 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 2: can control what I can control, and I have no 438 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: idea what my opponent can do. Now I have some 439 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 2: plans that's eight moves deep if he go down a 440 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: certain trap that I'm looking that have already been through 441 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: pattern recognition, but if he don't go that way, I 442 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: have no See. What I teach young people is you 443 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: have no control over what your opponent is gonna do, 444 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: but you do have control over adjusting your cells. So 445 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: no matter what the wind of it benefits you. And 446 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: karate they teach you. If your opponent come at you, 447 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 2: you step to the side and you throw them in 448 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: the wall. I'm gonna use your strength to hurt you. 449 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: So that's in chest what I do. I'm gonna use 450 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: whatever you say to benefit me. Whatever you do to 451 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: benefit me, you have the right to remain side of 452 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: anything you say can be used against you or So 453 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: what I do is I let them make their move 454 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: because I have no control over there what they're gonna do. 455 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 2: But if they make certain moves, I take advantage of it. 456 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 2: But here's the teacher one moment. It's worth a million dollars. 457 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: This is gold. What I'm about to say. Anytime your 458 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: opponent make a move, he creates a weakness. And so 459 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: what I have to wait till he make the move 460 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: so I can determine how I'm gonna exploit that weakness. 461 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna look left and I'm gonna throw right. I'm 462 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 2: gonna manipulate the defense. And when chess, a lot of 463 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: times I make a move, they have what I call 464 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 2: a hidden agenda or trapped. For an example, I was 465 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: playing kids at Peer Academy and I said that Bishop 466 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 2: is poison. It's free, but it's poison. And they took it, 467 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: and I check made him on the next move. I 468 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 2: told you it was poison. I did that twice, two 469 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 2: or three times, and then I said, listen, I gave 470 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: him And what is poison mean? I said, if you 471 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 2: take it, you're gonna die. And that's interesting. Yeah, I 472 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 2: had some poison, some traps and stuff like that ship 473 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: was cracked. Yeah, Bishop was gangs, that Bishop was shooting 474 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 2: at the police, and Bishop was stealing and Bishop was taking. 475 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: Always give people more than they give you in this, 476 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 2: then it's no, it's no robbery. 477 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: What I'm saying, though, God's that is so cool how 478 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: you're relating it. But what I am saying is this. 479 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: You are looking at a board and saying, Okay, if 480 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: I move this piece, their best answer for that move 481 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: is this, and then you. 482 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 2: And if they don't, got to the road about it. Yeah, 483 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: and then you. 484 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: Got another piece, like if I move this piece there next? 485 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: And so are you not looking at the catalog of 486 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: options of moves that you have to make and then 487 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: reversing yourself and thinking what would I do if that 488 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: was moved was made to me, and then trying to 489 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: come up with the catalog of options for the best 490 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: move for them based on your move, and then doing 491 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: the same thing and trying to count that down for 492 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: five or six, seven, eight moves. 493 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: I huh, yeah, But you can't get too caught up 494 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: in that because I don't know what he's gonna do exactly. 495 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: But I do have certain scenarios where he has to 496 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 2: make these moves or it's over, and so in that case, 497 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 2: you're right. I may have eight moves deep on a 498 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: certain trap. Like I played the guy the other day 499 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 2: and I gave away my bishop and the game was over. 500 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 2: It was eight moves trap and it was the boom boom, 501 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 2: and I already knew that it was in my homework, 502 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 2: and I remember being playing in the World Open. I'll 503 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: never forget this. You played in the World Open, playing 504 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 2: in the World Open, and you tell me you ain't 505 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,640 Speaker 2: no good. You played in the World. 506 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 3: Open, the World What is your USCF ready, I'm I'm 507 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: rated probably in speed, I'm probably about nineteen hundred, and 508 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: the slow chests, I'm probably about sixteen seventeen and eighteen hundred. 509 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 2: But then the speed, I'm pretty good. 510 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: Those of you listening, United States Check Federation, that's usc 511 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: IF chess. That is the that is the governing body 512 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: over chess, and it is a worldwide governing body. USCF 513 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: is the United States, but there's a Chess Federation over 514 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: the World BA and they rate you all right. 515 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: And so the strongest chess player in the world is 516 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: Magnus Carson. He's rated about twenty eight sixty, so that's 517 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: the strongest in the world. He is not the World 518 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: Champion because he don't want to play in it anymore. 519 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: But he's like the best, the best. He's really good. 520 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 2: I met him a couple of times, met his daddy, 521 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: and he and I are good friends. And always associate 522 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: with people who are better than you so you can 523 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: learn from them. So you were in the World Open. Yeah, 524 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: I weren't open, and I've won in the speed competition. 525 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: I won like eighty percent of my game, and I 526 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: won money in the World Open. But what I do 527 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: is really less about me. It's more about what can 528 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: I do to say the least, the last and the 529 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: loss and teach young children that you win by adding value. 530 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: You win by choosing piece instead of violet, you win 531 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: by doing no harm, You win by adding extraordinary value. 532 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: And sometimes you got to give to get and oftentimes 533 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 2: you have to give to get. And they called me 534 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: the four X guy because I believe in the eighty 535 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 2: twenty rule, which is twenty. Uh you give me twenty, 536 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you eighty, I'm gonna give you four 537 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: times more. Because the eighty twenty rules means that eighty 538 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: percent of the things you do produce twenty things you 539 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: do just eight percent of results. So you got to 540 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 2: focus on what brings the most value to people, and 541 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: you do that by adding value serving people and never 542 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 2: be a taker. Takers are for losers. And if you take, 543 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: you go to jail. If you give, you're successful. 544 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. You remember the movie Terminator. You 545 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: remember when the perspective from the camera was his eyes 546 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: and nobody would say something to them, and on the 547 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: left it would give them a catalog of responses and 548 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: some like if the guy said stop, yes, sir was one, No, 549 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: sir was two, and then all the way down to 550 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: kiss my butt. 551 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: Right. Do you remember that scene? 552 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: Do you remember? 553 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: That catches all right to me. 554 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: That's just because you have this catalog of options based 555 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: on moves. But that's life, right, And if you learn 556 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: to catalog your options and think deeply enough before you 557 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: make your next move, anticipating what's going to happen when 558 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: you make that move. I think that's how the best 559 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: leaders lead. I think that's how the best managers manage. 560 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: I think that's how the best parents parent. I think 561 00:29:54,160 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: that's how I think people who learned that discipline, in 562 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: that skill set and approach life that way are the 563 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: most successful and the most happy. 564 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 2: Right. 565 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: And I think youth n not from a thing like Chus. 566 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: Right, And it's I tell students to don't play, don't joke, 567 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: because of whatever you whatever you state, you create. And 568 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: so always put out positivity, Always put out what you 569 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: always state what you want. Never say nothing negative, not 570 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: even jokingly. Just the good you do comes back multiplied 571 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: to you. Whatever you state you create. And so if 572 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: I state something, it's gonna be uplifting, it's gonna be 573 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: uplifting and inspiring. Speak love, speak hope, speak life. Always 574 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 2: no joking around with that. No I'm just joking, No, 575 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: none of that. We're gonna always speak love, We're gonna 576 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 2: speak hope. We're gonna be light because whatever you say, 577 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 2: let me give you an example. God said, let that 578 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: be light. And God had said it and it was 579 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: too late. So he said, God looked and saw what 580 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: he created. He goes, oh, I'm okay. He saw that 581 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: light was good because he said it was too late 582 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 2: because once you stated you created, he gun said let 583 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: that be light, and God pausing, wait a minute, he 584 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 2: looked and okay, I'm good, he said light. You know, 585 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: he saw that light was good, and he said, I'm 586 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: okay because he said it. So what I tell people 587 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: when you stated you created, we all are a masterpiece 588 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: because we are a piece of the. 589 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: Master dude, or I could literally talk to you for 590 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: five hours. I am so inspired by you and the 591 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: work you've done, and we are kindred spirits in a 592 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of ways. But we're connected by you know, black 593 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: and white sixty four square piece of wood, which you 594 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: know we can get into more metaphors if anybody wants to. 595 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: But I think it's so ironic that, you know, the 596 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: most beautiful game in the world, it's a collection of 597 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: black and white pieces on a black and white board. 598 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: Let me give you six more magic words. James Edge 599 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: taught me this take time to think things through sixties 600 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 2: sixties six magic words. Take time to think things through. 601 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 2: That is that's life. That's everything the computer does and 602 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: everybody does it. And that's why that that way you win. 603 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 2: That way you get the most for your You get 604 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: the biggest bang for your buck. Because when you're building 605 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: a house, you have to take the thoughts out of 606 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: your head. You have to put them on paper and 607 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: then work from the paper. If you don't, you won't 608 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: have no restroom because you're gonna have only a game 609 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: room and all the all the fun stuff, and you 610 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 2: won't think about the grunt work and the foundation that's critical. 611 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 2: How how does be someone? I mean, do you have 612 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: you have donors? Your father one sees I have donors. 613 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 2: I have donors, but I'm always looking for more donors. 614 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: We always can do more. Well, we were playing a 615 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: game with enough pieces. We need more pieces. Were looking 616 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 2: for more people to support the work. But I promise you, 617 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: whatever you do to us, I receive everything I get. 618 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 2: I put it back in the program. I take no 619 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: money out of it. I just pay my bills and 620 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: I put everything back. I don't do it for income, 621 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: and do it for impact. And I've trained more kids 622 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 2: than people to get millions of dollars. I do more 623 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: work than everybody else because I'm gonna always outwork you. 624 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 2: I'm always beat the competition because the person who outworks 625 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 2: the competition beats the competition. The person who outgives the 626 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 2: competition to beat the competition. I just teach people that 627 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: are four types of people. That people that subtract, that 628 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: people that divide. By the way, when you subtract the 629 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 2: value go to jail. When you add, you're successful. And 630 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: when you're super successful, you when you multiply, you're super successful. 631 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 2: That's why god first instructions to the first couple on 632 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 2: earth was be fruitful and multiply. And if you multiply 633 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 2: value to people, you win every time. And that's what 634 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: I'm all about. Be someone is about teaching people how 635 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 2: to do more with less, how to be a giver 636 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 2: not a taker, how to be a force for give 637 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: because the moves you make determined to pay if you take. 638 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: I love it or orn huts and everybody orn. If 639 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: somebody wants to get in touch with you because they 640 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: want to talk about how you do what you do 641 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 1: in chess, and they want to do the same thing 642 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: in Topeka or Albuquerque or pick a city. Someone in 643 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: the Georgia area that that desperately needs their children to 644 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: learn some chests and get some of this orn. There's 645 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,799 Speaker 1: this this this orn lessons which would which reach far 646 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: more chess or hopefully somebody listens and also says, my gosh, 647 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: he's changing kids' lives through through through chess. And I 648 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: just want to support be someone. How do people find you? 649 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: How do they get in touch with. 650 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: Any someone dot org? I'm on a lot of social 651 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: mediasm or in checkmate, hutching on on Facebook, be someone 652 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 2: online on Instagram and my email is oh r r 653 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 2: I n at bsoone dot org. Oh double r I 654 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 2: n at b someone dot org. You can be someone? 655 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: Be someone? Let me hear you say, yam, yeah. And 656 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 2: I'm the only chess player in the world that checkmate 657 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 2: is someone on National TV and two moves magnets cars 658 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 2: has never done that. No one has never done that. 659 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 2: But mo and two moves. How do you do it too? 660 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 2: Some people don't know that. People have been playing fifty years. 661 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 2: Five No no, no, no no, it's it's F four. 662 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: I play E six and if he played G four, 663 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: I play my queen and Henry five Henry four. That's checkmate. 664 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 2: It yeah, I know it is I'm on like a 665 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: billion present sure, not a hundred, No, a hundred of garbage. 666 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 2: I'm a billion persent sure, but. 667 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: To because there's no you can't block and there's nothing. 668 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: Again, right, it's game over and wow. Yeah, it's called 669 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 2: fool's mate, and it's why is the food make Because 670 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 2: you've got to be a fool rules of game to move. 671 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 2: That's crazy. So besoone dot org, be someone dot order 672 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 2: I came up with and ain't be someone because Abraham Lincoln, 673 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 2: his mother her last words on the planet of Abraham 674 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: Lincoln would be someone. And even though Abraham Lincoln had 675 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 2: failed many many times running for public office, he took 676 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 2: those two words be someone all the way to the 677 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 2: White House my sign and changed our country and change 678 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 2: our country. My assignment in life is empower our young 679 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: people to be someone. Get your head up, get your 680 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 2: pants up, get your grades up, and the big one, 681 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: never give up. Why your mind is a pearl. You 682 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 2: can change the world. You have everything you need to 683 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 2: be someone. 684 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,320 Speaker 1: There's another thing with to be someone, thing that I 685 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: think our listeners need to know. Schools across the country 686 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: can invite you in and you will come to them, 687 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: speak to their kids, talk to them, Let their kids 688 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: get all this this this orn wisdom, and teach them 689 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: a little us. So how does that work? 690 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 2: I have a book coming out called sixty sixty five 691 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 2: Moves to Inspire. 692 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: It sixty five Moves to Inspire three hundred and sixty 693 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: five and were cee I missed it? 694 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: Now had a book coming out called three hundred and 695 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: sixty five Moves to Inspire, And they can and they 696 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 2: can bring me in to speak. I work with administrators, 697 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 2: I work with teachers, I work with parents, I work 698 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 2: with students. I come in and I teach them how 699 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: to wake up winning. I teach them how to make 700 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 2: the next move that best move. I teach them how 701 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,919 Speaker 2: to manage resources. Because the opposite of wealth is not poor, 702 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 2: and the opposite of wealth is mismanagement or resources poor. 703 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,759 Speaker 2: It's just a reflection how you manage the resources I'm 704 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 2: telling you. So I'm showing these children how to do 705 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 2: more with less. So everybody, you got his email address, 706 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 2: you got his website. If you want a little orn 707 00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 2: Hudson wisdom imparted on your administration, your kids, reach out 708 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 2: or in O R R I n at someone dot 709 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 2: Orncy Hudson and seats for checkmate. Checkmate means you win 710 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 2: is not over. 711 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: Until you win, and and don't celebrate until the referees 712 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: driving off in his car. 713 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 2: Don't don't celebrate until the referees and drive off in 714 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 2: his car. And if the referee car doesn't start, keep 715 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,879 Speaker 2: your helmet on till the record get there, because the 716 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 2: referee has power to put more time make on the clock. 717 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: And you know, let me tell you. Detroit, Detroit, the 718 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: Jordan Lines celebrated because the clock went zero zero. Well, 719 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 2: the guy took his helmet off, the referee through a flag. 720 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,919 Speaker 2: The guy took the referee through flags that were gonna 721 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 2: play one more down, Aaron Rodgers through the ball, sitting 722 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 2: it four yards. They lost the game with no time 723 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 2: on the clock. So it can happen. So wait till 724 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 2: the referee through the car. You follow him to his car, 725 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 2: you fight, and if the car doesn't start, keep your 726 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 2: helmet on till the record get there. Follow the referee 727 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 2: to his car, Go through the tunner, go through everything. 728 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: I love it, everybody a wrapping Colilo we driven amazing 729 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: guy named Oron Hudson who is taking the gifts offered 730 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: to him in high school. One day to get him 731 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: on track through the game of chess and spreading it 732 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: to literally tens of thousands, one hundred thousand kids so 733 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: far in counting besoone dot org y'all check it out. 734 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,280 Speaker 2: Oran. Thanks for coming to Memphis and spending the morning 735 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: with me. Oh Bill, You're awesome man. I just love 736 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 2: your spirit. And anytime you can go to a kid 737 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,399 Speaker 2: house who storms out of your classroom, they just never 738 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 2: give up with a kid. Are you are the real deal? 739 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 2: Holy Field? I like me when I'm listening to Bill 740 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 2: oron that is awesome. Thank you. 741 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: And my youngest son lives in Atlanta, and so the 742 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: next time I go over to visit him, I would 743 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: like to get in touch with you, and I want 744 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: to come over and watch you teach. 745 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 2: Some kids' chess. You do that? Yeah, you happy to, 746 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: and then you can stomp my brains in. We'll play one. 747 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: We'll play a game. That's awesome. Thanks buddy, Thank. 748 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 1: You, and thank you for joining us this week. If Range, Checkmate, 749 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: Hudson or other guests have inspired you in general, or 750 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: better yet, inspired you to take action by bringing or 751 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: in to your school or community, donating to be someone 752 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: or something else, entirely. Please let me know I really 753 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: do want to hear about it. You can write me 754 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: anytime at Bill at normalfolks dot us, and I promise 755 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: you I'll respond. If you enjoyed this episode, take the 756 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 1: time please to share it with friends that are on 757 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: social Subscribe to the podcast, rate and review it. Become 758 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: a premium member at normalfolks dot us, and help us 759 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: get to our target of one hundred members. All of 760 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: these things that will help us grow an army of 761 00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: normal folks. I think our producer Iron Light laughs. I'm 762 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: Bill Courtney. I'll see you next week.