1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and welcome to Steffane. Never told 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: you a production of iHeart Radio. And yes I am 3 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: still by myself. But Samantha, we'll be back soon. We've 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: just got a lot of vacation going on, and a 5 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: lot of work trips going on, and also some COVID 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: going on, so I am making a lot of things 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: to make that possible. But yes, today, speaking of vacation, 8 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: I am getting ready to go to Universal who's not 9 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: a sponsor in Florida, to go to the last of 10 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: us haunted house among all the other haunted houses, but 11 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: that was the one I was like, Okay, immediately, I 12 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: have to go. I've already picked out all of my 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: low key cosplays. I'm very I cannot imagine Samantha. There 14 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: are a few things I can imagine her wanting to 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: do less because she doesn't like you know, she doesn't 16 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: like statues coming to life. She doesn't like anything like that. 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: So I just don't foresee her enjoying it. But I 18 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: love a good haunted house. I have been to most 19 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: of the big ones in Georgia. When I was growing 20 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: up in my small town, that was one of the 21 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: things you did every Halloween was you went to the 22 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: Haunted House and the different teams every year, and there 23 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: were some big ones. There are some famous ones near 24 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: me that I've been to and have very much enjoyed. 25 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: I've also been tricked by some of the religious ones, 26 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: but I've done the thing. I've been to Universal for 27 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: this before Moreland once too. I really really enjoy it. 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm very very excited. I've been trying not to spoil myself, 29 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: but also I've kind of spoiled myself about this a 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: lot of house because I'm so excited that I keep 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: seeing headlines about it and like, oh wait, let me see. 32 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: But it got me thinking about, of course, kind of 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: how haunted houses are sexist in a lot of ways, 34 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: or they can be. So I was thinking about this 35 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: and I found an article called how sexism haunts the 36 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: Haunted House industry and the sociologist and actors trying to 37 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: exercise the gender stereotyping demon and I found it on 38 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Atlas Obscura. It's by Kate's Golmumbyevsky. I hope I didn't 39 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: butcher that completely, but I wanted to read some quotes 40 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: from it because I do think a lot of times 41 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: when I go to a haunted house. What it devolves 42 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: to is there's the women who are victims and the 43 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: men who are monsters. And that's being very general, but 44 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: that is general for a reason. And I was also 45 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: thinking because a friend of mine was texting me the 46 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: other day and she was like, I'm watching this movie 47 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: that we both like, hell House LLC. It's about a 48 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: haunted house that goes wrong. There's several movies in that genre, 49 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: but in that haunted house, the final scare is a 50 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: woman who's changed up the wall, who's barely closed. And 51 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I was just like, yep, I've seen this. There's also 52 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: I've been to a few quote adult haunted houses, and 53 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: they are almost always women who are scantily cod who 54 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: are getting tortured, or sexy women monsters. They're just sexualized. 55 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, and that's what a lot of this article found. 56 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: So here's a quote. While these character dynamics are common 57 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: in the haunted house industry, they're part of a larger pattern. Ericakeavistad, 58 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: a professor at the University of Southeastern Norway who studies 59 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: horror literature, notes that within the genre, there has history 60 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: been a real tendency to depict women as victims. Also, 61 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: I hope not butchering your name either. The quote was 62 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: because that points to film scholar Linda Williams theory that 63 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: horror movies use the depiction of female victims to elicit 64 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: an audience's emotional reaction. It's more socially acceptable for women 65 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: to express fear than it is for men. Becaustad says, 66 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: it's also possible that seeing a man in extreme distress 67 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: might be more upsetting to audiences than seeing a woman 68 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: in similar circumstances. We are just more used to seeing 69 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: women as suffering objects, she says, So that's the going 70 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: back to the women as victims. I think we are 71 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: more used to seeing women that way. We are more 72 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: used to us to having your final girls, or even 73 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: not your final girls, but seeing them suffering, seeing them 74 00:04:53,880 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: being punished, and garnering more sympathy for them, especially white women. 75 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: But it is we're more comfortable with that, We're more 76 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: used to that, and that's brightening. I think that's it's 77 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: not good that that's what we're more comfortable with seeing. 78 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Not that I think haunted houses just inherently have a 79 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: certain level of discomfort. I've certainly been to some that 80 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: have made me very very uncomfortable. But the fact that 81 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: it is depicted this way and kind of reinforces how 82 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: we do see women that way is something that we 83 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: should ask ourselves about, I think. And then the quote 84 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: goes on female monsters very much tend to be represented 85 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: in relation to sexualities. Is kevistad Male zombies are just zombies. 86 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: Female zombies are sexy zombies. In addition to observing haunts, 87 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: the article also included some research around people who work 88 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: at haunted houses, performers who work at haunted houses specifically, 89 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: and so what they found was that, in their mind, 90 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: surprisingly many women work alongside their children. Quote some have 91 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: stories about protecting their children from sexually inappropriate behavior from 92 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: both patrons and fellow workers. I think that is also 93 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: important to note the harassment of the performers. And there's 94 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: a reason why so many haunted houses are very strict, 95 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: have very strict rules no touching, because it can go 96 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: that way as well. And some of that is, you know, 97 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: people freaking out and maybe hitting, which I'm not saying 98 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: is okay, but some of it is that, and some 99 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: of it is much more malicious than that. And then 100 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't think it will surprise anyone. But most haunted 101 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: houses are owned by men, and they're the ones that 102 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: are sort of planning out these scares, these story lines, 103 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: and that can you know, run down to like costuming 104 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, which is important. This article did 105 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: highlight one hunted house owned by women, who's trying to 106 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: flip the script on this, trying to make it where 107 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: that's not the status quo anymore. And I would love 108 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: to check that out. I would love to do that. 109 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I do feel like you can. I mean, I guess 110 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: it's obvious, but there's so many tropes you see in 111 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: hunted houses where you're like, oh, here's your creepy little girl, 112 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: here's your like sexy nurse who's going to kill you, 113 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: and versus what the men, the male monsters are, which 114 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: is not sexualized or anything like that. There are ten 115 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: houses haunted houses at this universal thing. They are haunted 116 00:07:54,200 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: like areas, spaces, mazes. So I'll report back as to 117 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: what I see. I do know that one time I 118 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: went there and I went to one that disturbed me greatly. 119 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: That was just like a dude, kind of a mad 120 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: scientist type that was dismembering women. That's my memory of it. 121 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: It's possible that I was just that's just what stuck 122 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: out to me. But we'll see, we'll see. I am excited, 123 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: but yeah, I would love to see more haunted houses 124 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: owned by women and planned by women. I think that'd 125 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: be great. If there's one that you know of or 126 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: one that you've been to, please write in. You can 127 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: email us at stephidamom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. 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