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Speaker 2: Kill? You see, see you asked that question wrong. It's

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Speaker 2: Give me? Unfortunately it was you guys who got that work?

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Speaker 3: Well, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Jeff McGinnis. That Jeff McGinnis my rookie year. Remember I

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Speaker 2: started off on the bench rookie Blaylock was in front

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Speaker 2: It was a Clippers. Yeah, Jeff McGinnis gave him thirty

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Speaker 2: two piece. Yeah, gave thirty two you're talking about cheese.

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Speaker 4: Cheesy yo, live and direct from l a Lifornia, man

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Speaker 3: Man, we got the illess one.

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Speaker 4: We got no chill, gil g A gil Arenas in

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Speaker 4: the building, agen Zo to Habbachi rocking with the knuckleheads. Man,

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Speaker 4: y'all tune in. It's gonna get real hot. Today, let's go. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's your boys to Rich and dmils challenging the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Season two and how we're thinking of what we do.

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Speaker 1: Like it's just like, how did y'all come up with that?

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Speaker 1: This thing on Little Scripted, we kind of just get

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Speaker 3: We come from an authentic old jeek standpoint.

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Speaker 2: You weren't winning with just one star player.

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Speaker 3: This is a story that people don't know this.

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Speaker 2: Dude, have my shoes on, right, he just talking hot mess.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were just young and wanted to prove

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Speaker 2: Pour me some honey. Yoh. It's a grave Field Gravefield, Gravefield, Gravefield, Gravefield, Gravefield, Gary, Payton, Peyton.

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Speaker 2: It was it was seven minutes, seven minutes of a

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Speaker 2: So like when we playing, you know, like you don't

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Speaker 1: Called up, he was like, Oh, this man is watching

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Speaker 2: That's what people don't understand, Like people don't like people

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Speaker 1: That's what John Stockton was to me. I thought it

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Speaker 1: dude legs big in them.

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00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: That people think that child like, I'm like, big of them?

429
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: You think of these players? Is doing this being this

430
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: small like these players is big as hell?

431
00:21:58,800 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

432
00:21:59,359 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: Definitely.

433
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: So when you got you got drafted to Golden State,

434
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 1: you got Mookie Blaylock in front.

435
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: Of you, Like I said that.

436
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: I always remember that you and I used to just

437
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 1: Membersais saying to you like, man, just wait your turn,

438
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: be ready, and it took off.

439
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 4: Wait with him with him getting drafted, I have to him,

440
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 4: especially when you first got drafted and started getting that bread,

441
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 4: what was the what was the craziest thing you did

442
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: with your because I know this is no chill.

443
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 2: Got know you got something special. Remember this two thousand

444
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 2: and one, so you already know what was popping to

445
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: escalade that escalade.

446
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 5: You know that escalating three went over motor three, went

447
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 5: over here with the with the TV, with the whole

448
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 5: you did too exactly that, so you know you got

449
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 5: all your causes there, all your causes there.

450
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: So I'm like, the swayed on the roof, give me

451
00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: the sw put it on the fine with the two

452
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 2: TVs and.

453
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: The TV come to I want.

454
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: To drop one in the middle, and I want the

455
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 2: two in the back head rest. So I'm sitting with

456
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: six people. I want twelves, and then you want to

457
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: you want the people behind you driving everybody. So I

458
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: got the two head the one behind me four and

459
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: the one the two I got five and six twelve

460
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: because I'm sitting there looking at there. But they done

461
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: sold me, sold me on this right. The only thing

462
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: I did, the only thing I did put in the

463
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: car was was the mink floors Gary Payton had. I

464
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: was like just expensive and yeah, and the mink roads.

465
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 2: There's like the milk flocks, like I would just do

466
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: the regular part, but I'll take that Swede.

467
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 1: Though I had six twelves, like web.

468
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: Twelve. Your face will vibrate, right. I didn't like riding then,

469
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: you know, that's when the change was coming out. So

470
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: it was the long joints, and we was on all initials,

471
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: your name, name certificate. I had the dj ah about

472
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: this big day before. Yeah, man. And what's so funny

473
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: is like that's when like ear rings became cool, the

474
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 2: big dimond, the square one. So I got my ears

475
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 2: pierced boom, just for a diamond. Just took that out,

476
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: took that out, give me a big joint, the ear

477
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 2: just hanging all down here. So when I got drafted,

478
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: So I done. Spent probably two hundred thousand thousand before

479
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: I got drafted. So imagine saying thirty two thirty one.

480
00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: So looking at the money chart at me three, I'm broke.

481
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: I'm done, bro done, Like I don't know how did

482
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: this work? Like, I'm done. So I had to get

483
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: I had to get a financial advisor, had to get

484
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: a financial advisor. And he's like, all right, looked at

485
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: the two purchases and everything. Gave my dad some bread.

486
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: So he was like, all right, your first year checked,

487
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: that's gone, that's gone, that's you already spent that, you

488
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: already spent some of your second year money. I'm glad

489
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: you got a two year deal. So he was like,

490
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: so we're gonna we're gonna budget off your second year

491
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: for both years. It's all right, all right, he was like,

492
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: he was like, Soul, you got to get an apartment

493
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 2: that's about twenty five hundred, a house of house apartment

494
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: under twenty five hundred, you know, gas, So you have

495
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: four hundred dollars. You have four hundred dollars free money

496
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: for the next two years, and you can and go

497
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 2: over it. Four hundred, four hundred easy. I had two

498
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: pit bulls to escalade, eating up money, gotta drive. I

499
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: was struggling. You gotta eat and I gotta eat. So

500
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: when I used to do like that first like that

501
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: first month. So I used to do is when we

502
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: got on the plane, my backpack, all that fruit, all

503
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: the fruit, cookies, all all that, I took all that

504
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: that was my meal because I couldn't order.

505
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 3: Room service, so because everything must go.

506
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I couldn't order room services because so I'm

507
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: just eating all the fruit and stuff and doing that.

508
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: And that's how I was taking them for THEMN checks.

509
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 2: You know, I lost that on the plane already again

510
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: for more money, I'm trying to, like I got it

511
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: like one hundred and sixty eight. If I can win

512
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: like three games good. You know I'm good. So that's

513
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: how I like. So that's how I was, rather like,

514
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sitting there like, Okay, they won't let

515
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 2: me jump in now because you know I ain't got enough,

516
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: So I gotta wait until like somebody fall off and

517
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: then try to hurry it. Get a quick little lit

518
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: and I'm good. And what ended up happening is I won.

519
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 2: I one had like six hundred. So Chris Mills, he

520
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, we're gonna go to your room. Since

521
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: you the big baller, now I need you to order

522
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 2: pizza for the room and we're gonna finish the game

523
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: in your room. All right. Cool? Yeah, I got the money,

524
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: so I'm ordering pizza. Larry Hughes like, I don't want

525
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 2: no pizza, so he when he gets he orders room service, right,

526
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: and I said no, no, no, you can't order the

527
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 2: room service. I was like, noah, don't be on the room.

528
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: So I got to take some of this money home, LIKEOK,

529
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: chill out, this is uh, this is Larry Hughes room

530
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But can you send my food to

531
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: this room? All right? Food come? He signs it.

532
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: This is creating the monster, right, here. I see the

533
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: writing on the wall.

534
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: So all right, okay, uh yeah, room service, Can I

535
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: have two cheeseburgers, full scoops of an all ice cream,

536
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: chocolate cake, three sodas? Yeah, this is Larry Hughes's Room

537
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: to twelve, but can you bring it to room through

538
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: the do come give it to her? All going up?

539
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 2: Look at your burger everything job jop jop. Everywhere we went.

540
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 2: We two hamburgers, four ice creams Larry, Larry Hughes, bro

541
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 2: Larry Hughes, Real Larry. And he caught on it all

542
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: you're talking about getting the ass got bopped. He was like,

543
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, what why you says leave? You

544
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: know only one who will order four scoops of ice

545
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: cream every time? Every time? And I just like I said, man, look,

546
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: I ain't got no money. It was mad man. But

547
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: then he just let me. He let me live. He

548
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 2: was like, just keep it like that's that. He let

549
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: me rock the rest of it. He says, just keep

550
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: it normal, don't go out rate. Yeah, appreciate that's that's

551
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: but boy, I was struggling. Oh that was rough.

552
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: So when you caught you in Golden State and then

553
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: you get traded to the Wizards or you chose to

554
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: did you get I.

555
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: Chose the Wizards. So so back then I was, you know,

556
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: I was playing out of that. I think it was

557
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: the mid level exception. So so the highest the Wizards

558
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 2: can pay me, it was forty nine. So Denver already

559
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: came in because I used to work out with Kiki anyway,

560
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: so he was gentermantic, so he already said we gonna

561
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: give you fifty so come on over here, right, So

562
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: I think you guys had how many freezers? Like Elton

563
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: Brown was a free agent. I think Corey Emigatives, Fregent

564
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: lamar Otem was free I think it was.

565
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: Like four maybe first yeah, it was like it.

566
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Was like three or four free agents on your team.

567
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: And then I think the NBA came down and said,

568
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: y'all got to sign back player because at that time

569
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: you wasn't paying nobody, so it was like, no, you

570
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: have too many free agents to just say it fuck it,

571
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: so you gotta you gotta spend money. So what ends

572
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: up happening is they come in to play fifty million,

573
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: and you know everyone's coming. And then Brian Russell opted

574
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: out of his contract his last year to go to

575
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: the Lakers.

576
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: So it was like it was the goodness of the city,

577
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: you know. So mentally, you know, I went to Washington.

578
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: You start killing in Washington. You call you called to

579
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: like your knits like in the game, like you was

580
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: one of the top point guards and a lot of

581
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: the shots that these casts shoot right now, you were

582
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: shooting them first, shooting from the logo turned around after

583
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: you shot the ball, like they really weren't seeing that

584
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: in the league from like the players you was doing,

585
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: and you see it from the highlights, like like what

586
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: did you see? What changed in Washington? Because I know

587
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: you you left and you know, you build it a

588
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: raport with bug, you build a raport with ed Twine Jamison.

589
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: What changed in Washington? That it was like, man, I'm

590
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: getting better and better every year.

591
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 2: See so when I came into the league, you got

592
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: to remember point guard was still point guard and if

593
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: you was a score, they somehow push you to the two.

594
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: So you know, so Iverson, you know, Iverson was a

595
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: shooting guard. You know, Eric snow Point. You know. So

596
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: what ends up happening is once I had success at

597
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 2: the point guard scoring the scoring mentality, and I went

598
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: to Washington. Adie Jordan was more of yo yo. I

599
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: had Mike Baby in sack, you know, as an assistant,

600
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: and as an assistant, I had Jason Kidd. You know.

601
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: They're not high volume scores like you. You know, so

602
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: you know, so I was like, well, that's that's not

603
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: my style, you know. So what ends up happening is

604
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: he's like, well, since there's a two guard front, you

605
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: Larry share everything. My first All Star it was Larry's

606
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: All Star. He just he broke stumb that year. So

607
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: once he's broken stumb, I had to take on that

608
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: scorn and me taking on that scoring pushed me into.

609
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: The All Star.

610
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: But it was Larry who was the All Star guard,

611
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: so it was a big that my first one had

612
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: been actually Larry and Antoine, so we were sharing points.

613
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: So between the two of us, we was averaging forty points.

614
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 2: Between the two of us, we was having tennis sists,

615
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: you know. And then same thing with rebounds. When Larry

616
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: left and with the Cleveland we brung in Antonio Daniels,

617
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: who's not a score. So basically I have the scorn

618
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: position all by myself for the guard and that's when

619
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: it's like, well, since I'm coming downhill, I'm a two

620
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: guard with the ball all the time, and that's where

621
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: the confidence comes because no one was coming at me

622
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: back then. You know, It's like, Okay, Malberry, Marlberry's at

623
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: the eighteen nineteen twenty you know era that, you know,

624
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 2: and he's averaging nine and sists. So it's like he

625
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: still has to defer to another guard, you know, Steve Francis,

626
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: which was the MAGA stud, but he's only averaging sixteen.

627
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: He wasn't like his highlight reel was what made him great.

628
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,719
Speaker 2: It wasn't the points he was you know, throwing up.

629
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 2: But he had to defer to Cat. So you know,

630
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: Cat is averaging twenty. He's avinge sixteen, so it's like,

631
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: you know, I get the leaser, even though this was

632
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: trying to embarrass me for sixteen points. You know he's

633
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: gonna try to throw it off your head, throw it

634
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: between your legs, you know. You know, I don't have

635
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: to worry about getting put forty on. You know. Then

636
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: you got you know, Tony Parker who was still Jason

637
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: Kidd didn't really try to score Steve Nash when he

638
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: was in Dallas, wasn't, you know, So I didn't really

639
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: have to I didn't really have to go against anybody

640
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: who was going to try to take my confidence away

641
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: from me. So it's basically just me, just me, just

642
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 2: coming at just coming at everybody. So by the time

643
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: I made my first All Star, that confidence was just

644
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: building and then it was like, well, I'm just the

645
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: assassin for that point cord position. You know, it's because

646
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: I didn't have to play against into Agent zero. You know,

647
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: Eric shows guard of me. So I'm just freelancing on

648
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: the ex floor, just sitting back on defense. I've been

649
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: a guard that iverson. Dude, for those who.

650
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: Don't know, because you know our privilege to the store,

651
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 4: you give me the story firsthand and when you was

652
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: in New Orlando.

653
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: But for those who don't know, can you talk to

654
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: them about the the AMEX.

655
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 4: The American Express card, the party that happened, It went

656
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: on in DC, the extravaganza from from Miami to LA

657
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: to d C to Okay.

658
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: So at this point what I made, I'm a two

659
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: time All Star, right, yeah, So I'm a two time

660
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: All Star and I'm trying to negotiate a deal with Adidas,

661
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: so you know, I'm on I'm still on my you know,

662
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 2: first deal with them, you know, five hundred thousand. Yeah.

663
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: So I'm like, you know, I want to be bumped

664
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: up at least two Mel. Like I'm a two time

665
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 2: All Star and I'm two Mel. And it was like,

666
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: your name, your name just ain't big enough. So, you know,

667
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: so when we say name ain't big enough, it's it's

668
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: not your talent. Your name. So Kim Book, name ain't

669
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: big enough. Isaiah Thomas, you ain't ain't big enough right now?

670
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: You know, Dame Leonard, you know you, we know who

671
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: you are, but your name ain't star name. So I'm like,

672
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: how do I get my name? Like? How do I

673
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: get a star name?

674
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 3: Like?

675
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: How do I get like my name out there? So

676
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: I have a meeting with Sashah Jones, like she runs

677
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: the media for Washington, and I was like, I need

678
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: to do something that just like live in my name

679
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: outside of DC, like I need the world to know.

680
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: She was like, so, you know, we're just going through

681
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: ideas and I was like, so we're looking at the

682
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: dates of how everything played out when this All Star start.

683
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: You know. Then it was my birthday. It was like,

684
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 2: let's do a birthday party, like a big one, like

685
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: a big birthday party, and then I was like, all right,

686
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 2: then we're gonna do like black card invitations where you

687
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: invite like real like. So we're sitting here like all right.

688
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: So I call up Lil Wayne first, and Lil Wayne

689
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: was like, I don't do parties like damn. Like there

690
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: was like I don't like going in the club, like

691
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: how much you're making off of it? And I was like,

692
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: how much I'm making I'm paying for it, wasn't wasn't

693
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: making it there. I don't like the door, like like

694
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: how much you're making off the door? I ain't even

695
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: thinking about that. I don't know, you know. It's like, man,

696
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm a pass all right. So I'm calling all these

697
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: artists past, past past. So I called jay Z's people

698
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: and they were like jay Z was like, yeah, I

699
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: charge you like seven hundred thousand like that damn seven

700
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: hundred thousands for a party because he was like I

701
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: don't want to go, but if you don't pay it, OK,

702
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 2: and I take it. And I was like, why wouldn't

703
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: you want to? He's like, I don't do parties. Like

704
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: private events versus parties is different because there's more liability

705
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: on my name. I could probably get you Beyonce for

706
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: half a meal. And then he's like, you know what,

707
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: call puffy Puffy like he loves parties. He can that's

708
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 2: his thing, so he can really help you with it.

709
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 2: So I was all right, so you know, getting reach

710
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: with perve people. Turn it down? Called us ask again.

711
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: They said you to party people, So I need to

712
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: call them again, turn it down. I was like, can

713
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: you tell? But I will fly a helicopter on his

714
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: lawn to get this talk. Like that's what I want

715
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: to fly. I will do whatever it takes. I just

716
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: wanted to have the conversation. And then we had the conversation.

717
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: He's like, I charged two hundred thousand. Okay, what else?

718
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: The venue needs to be private so you don't make

719
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: any so no one makes money, Like you mean private,

720
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: like just invite only. Oh that's perfect because I want

721
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: to invite people with the black card. So I said,

722
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 2: He's like what. I was like, I want to create

723
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: black cards, like the real black card as the invitation

724
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 2: and we send it out to the people. It has

725
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: their name on it and everything. He said, Oh, that's

726
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 2: that's nice. So I said, so was you host? He said,

727
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: if you make it private, yes, it's private. Done, I'm

728
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: your host. Wire the money here. Once his name got

729
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: on it, everything was easy. So I went back to

730
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: Lil Wayne. They puppies the host, blah blah blah. It's

731
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: a private event, okay, popping. And then what ends up

732
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 2: happening is because it was private and it was invite only,

733
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: that made it more interesting. Everybody named mama wanted to go.

734
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: Now now we're you know, inviting mostly from La Miami,

735
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: New York. And then so I got half the tickets,

736
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: and then the club got half the tickets to give

737
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: it to the invite list. So like ht during December,

738
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: that time, all start voting starts kicking in. So now

739
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: at the party, right before the parties, we're gonna feel

740
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: like these all star ballants all start balance, all start balanced.

741
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: And then what ends up happening is after the party.

742
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: My name so big for throwing this striving a party

743
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,720
Speaker 2: because I rent it out. Yeah, given run four seasons.

744
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: All the rooms at the four season. Do you hear this?

745
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Both both the fours hit all every room. So basically

746
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: you ain't have to do nothing. You had you already

747
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: had a free room. Everyone came and then jet blues.

748
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: So I hooked up with Jet Blue and then there

749
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: were times from Los Angeles where you can pick that

750
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: flight and it was free coming through. So basically everybody

751
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: from Los Angeles they got on one or two Jet

752
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: one or two three Jet Blue flights and came and

753
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: then you had a few room so every day was

754
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: and then the the four seasons and had my name

755
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: on their pillow. So I spent about two mili on

756
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: this whole event, you know. But the idea was to

757
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 2: get so big for All Star that I can get

758
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: that two million back fo DDAs in a contract. And

759
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 2: what ended up happening is right before it was like

760
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: three days before they cut off the All Star DC

761
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: made another push. I was down two hundred thousand. I

762
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: beat Vince Carter by two hundred thousand because you know,

763
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: like because the name was ringing so much, everybody was

764
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: like get him, get him, get him. And then that's

765
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 2: how it became a starter. Going into Vegas. That's crazy

766
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: because of the million dollars party that's been because most

767
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: of them most of the money was basically buying out

768
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: every room in all flights.

769
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: So wait, I can't remember the one detail.

770
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: Did you?

771
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 4: I know you wanted to get lowered into the top

772
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 4: of the club in the in the in the what

773
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: was it the Lamberg? Yeah, it happened, you.

774
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: Know, it was just they didn't. It was it was

775
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: like it's too like like to try to figuret how

776
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: to bring you down, and like I was gonna, he

777
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: was going you wanted to come in in the car

778
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: down because I was. I had my lambo basically, So

779
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: basically you like like you crane me up, craning him

780
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: and me up and then dropped me into the party

781
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: and you you were safe with doing that. It just

782
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 2: seemed baller. Just seemed baller.

783
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: I just see like a baller and so and look

784
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 4: so all of that and then Adidas cast you out yep.

785
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: And then when I went when I got the Vegas,

786
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: so I didn't even get to enjoy Vaga because we

787
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: was negotiating. So this is my negotiation. So I told

788
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: my dad and the staff, I was like, listen, whatever

789
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: number they come out with, first, I'm gonna be mad.

790
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be mad, and I'm gonna walk out and

791
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: y'all gonna be like what And then I'm gonna walk

792
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: out and leave. So I was thinking like maybe they

793
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: gonna start off at a million, so I mean it

794
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: would be real, right, So what ends up happening is

795
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: it was like, yeah, you know you did it. Your

796
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: name is you know hot, you are a legit superstar name.

797
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: So you know we're gonna reward you, you know with

798
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: what do you wanted the two million dollar deal for

799
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: eight years? Because I was asking for two it was

800
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: like two for five, two million dollars, and we're gonna

801
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: give you three more years. Excited like because they gave

802
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: me three more years on the door. Then they gave

803
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: me three more years. I was like, see this is

804
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. They bullshitting. I'm out and they

805
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: walked out. Look the save heart is after I walked out,

806
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: After I walked out, slamming the door in the hallway,

807
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: Mac came out, God, they gonna take this deal offt tail.

808
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: I know I should have just took that deal, you know.

809
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna walk back in. If I walk back in,

810
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: I seem weak, like, so I'm sitting there in a fight,

811
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: just like sitting there fighting and just in the hallway

812
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: by the door, and then I like hears somebody like

813
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: getting ready to open the door. So I just bounce

814
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 2: out just ash and then just walk and walked in

815
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: my room and I was like, please please just call,

816
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: please just call, just you just call. So what happened

817
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: is my rep Zach called and said all right, DDA

818
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: said sorry, what number do you want? And I can

819
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: go back to them with uh five million, five million

820
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 2: a year for eight years. That's what I want. I said,

821
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: all right and go tell them they leave, And I'm like,

822
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: if I'd have said two, then I was if I

823
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 2: said three, then two is the same thing. It'll be too.

824
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: If I say five, maybe they said hell no and

825
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 2: come back with three. Okay, that I should want. I

826
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: should win. They came back five. It's that deal. I

827
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I ship cool, but you know so,

828
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: and I signed that.

829
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: I signed the deal and they gave your own shoe.

830
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: I had already have. I already had my own. That

831
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 2: was I already had my own shoe already.

832
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Everybody not blessed to get a nickname. You got a nickname.

833
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: They was calling you a botch you to call you

834
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: agent zero? You heard them, was you like everybody call

835
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: you by this?

836
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was was so funny. It was. It

837
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: was crazy, especially the agent, the agent zero one, because

838
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: it wasn't it didn't have nothing to do with basketball.

839
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: It was y'all remember my Space, right, you had the

840
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: top eight. So someone I had a computer person do

841
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: straight fifty, so I have fifty like girls, just just

842
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: and then I called them my secret service. So that

843
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 2: was that was the name of it, the Secret Service.

844
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: So when I got to Washington, you know, I was

845
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: calling myself the black President Black President one. So somebody

846
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: that was like, you like an agent, you like the agent,

847
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 2: like agent zero, Like, damn, that's a night. So that's

848
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 2: what they were calling me, Agent zero.

849
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 1: And then the name was like that has a nice name,

850
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: and then boom, it just took off, which when you

851
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: were like more agent zero.

852
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: So agent zero is the nickname. Hibachi was just something

853
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: I just said. I was like, so every time I

854
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: shot and I was on fire, Hibachi And that's where

855
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: that game from here. And then like people just like, oh,

856
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: he's the Habachi.

857
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: When you started taking rains, when you start stepping back

858
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: farther and farther from the three point line and shooting

859
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: him in the game, like you're the only one really

860
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: shooting these shots at the time that were playing, And

861
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: like I watched the clip on Damon Lillard and he

862
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: was like that last shot in the playoffs, he was

863
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: in his range and he bought the logo. Yeah you

864
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And three point line is that

865
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: far back? But you were shooting it? Like what gave

866
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: you the confident? Like I know when your coach seeing

867
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: that shit, I know he like, ain't nobody else doing this?

868
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 1: And you shooting him in the game.

869
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: Do you remember when like the it was this program

870
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: called Synergy right right, So you're looking at Synergy and

871
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: looking at the spots and then it was like are

872
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: you were sixty percent from this spot, like you know,

873
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: like three feet behind, you know, and then and then

874
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: like it's like my percentage was higher three feet behind

875
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: the three point line. It was like why, like why

876
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 2: is my this is a further shot? Why am I shooting?

877
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 2: So you start playing the game like in the summer,

878
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 2: So come up in the game and get to that

879
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: spot and see what happens. Realize the defense wasn't there.

880
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: They're waiting for you at the three point line. So

881
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: here I'm not guarded. So it's a free shot at

882
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: the three points. I got close to the three point line,

883
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: you pick up so that shot became harder. And then

884
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 2: what I started doing is realizing I just started training

885
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 2: my shots back here and knowing that no one's gonna

886
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: pick up there. So when I'm in that range you're

887
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: not there, I'm letting it fly. And that's how that

888
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: that came.

889
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: Obviously, when you was in Golden State, we played you

890
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: four times. Yeah, I saw you when you wasn't playing

891
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: to when you got your chance. So when you got to,

892
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 4: like you said, when you got the Wizards, you was

893
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: hooping with the bull. Then it went from that to

894
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 4: trust me, I had to guard you.

895
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: You know this.

896
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 4: It went from just okay he was he was still

897
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 4: a problem, but it went to supernova where you're hitting

898
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: fifties sixties, you you gaming people and telling them you

899
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: about to do it. Before you do it, you talking

900
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 4: you like, where did that whole entire confidence come from?

901
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: Where you going?

902
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 4: You went from not even top hundred to trying to

903
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm staying thinking, Man, I'm gonna go

904
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 4: to school for five years to now I'm staring Kobe

905
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: down like you talking in the criblin, like I'm about

906
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 4: to take his ankles. I'm about to do this to

907
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 4: him crossing on the day. Then you're going out there

908
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: putting buckets.

909
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: Up, you know, like like especially as a score you know,

910
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: you you know who the defenders are, right, Like, these

911
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 2: guys are great defenders. They're they're they're the top, they're

912
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 2: the top of the top. So what ends up happening

913
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: as offensive player mentally? Okay, these guys are gonna give

914
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 2: me a problem, right, the Bruce Boyns and Toyannas, you Kobe,

915
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: all these guys, the Jason kids, they're gonna you know,

916
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 2: it's gonna be, you know, a war.

917
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 3: You heard him say me in there.

918
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: So when you have remember because you're you're you're I

919
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 2: didn't defend like that, no man one, no defender anybody

920
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: he was. They put him in as a defender. Let

921
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 2: him speak because you gotta remember as a point guard,

922
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: Jeff McGinnis wasn't gonna guard me the guard, so I

923
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 2: had to go against bigger bodies. Yeah, he's a defender,

924
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: that he was a defender. This is the man who

925
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: was putting six people. When he's telling you that I

926
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: was a defender, why wouln't you believe him? So what

927
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: ends up happening is once you have success against a

928
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: defense like, like, wait a minute, did I just did?

929
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: I just hit him for forty and he's two if

930
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: he's ranked, if he's the second, like he's all first

931
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 2: team in defense. I just gave him forty. I mean

932
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: second teammates ship teammates ship. That means the rest of

933
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: these they're bums. So now I go into the game,

934
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: everybody's beneath me. I just rocked the second guard on

935
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: all first team. The rest of y'all are not good enough.

936
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 2: Larry Hughes's second team first team. I gotta work against

937
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 2: him every single day. So now every day I can

938
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 2: score on him makes it harder for everyone else. So

939
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: once he left, oh, it became oh the swagers up.

940
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: When we played him in the playoffs, Hey, bro, you're

941
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: about to get work. You know that, right, I already

942
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: know your defense. I got a whole new offense by

943
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 2: I got I got losso do subthing you're about to go.

944
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: So then I had success against him in the playoffs

945
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: thirty thirty. I averaged thirty two against Cleveland with Larry

946
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: Hughes on it. Yeah, and y'all can't tell me nothing.

947
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: How y'all gonna how y'all gonna tell me, y'all gonna

948
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: stop me when the top two guards didn't have no chance.

949
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: People don't never speak about the like the the work

950
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: you put in off the court, Like how I always

951
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: used to see you, like at the at the practice facility,

952
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: shots shots shots, Like even when you got hurt, it

953
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: was like you was at the practice facility putting in

954
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: the work that people don't see like speak up on,

955
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: like like the work you put in when you The

956
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: reason that you had these three amazing seasons in a

957
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: row is because like you was putting this work in

958
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: in the gym, and it was you was feeling it.

959
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: It felt good all the time.

960
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 2: You know, it's people who are at the top.

961
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 3: People are.

962
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 2: Who succeed. You know, all of us we have. It's

963
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: like to make it to the NBA, there's a bottom

964
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: line of hours you got to put in. Straight up,

965
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: there's no I'm better than you. I'm just no. You

966
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: have to put in the bottom line of hours. Some

967
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: got to put in way more hours than others just

968
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: because of the they're not as gifted. But you still

969
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: got to put in somewhere. Someone people like I resent

970
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: in practic this listen, that's ridiculous. Iverson wouldn't have been

971
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: Iverson if he didn't practice. No, when he was at

972
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: that level, at that particular moment in his career, he

973
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 2: probably wasn't practicing that much. But the man had to

974
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: be in that gym doing what he's doing, because he

975
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 2: is doing what he's doing in that game. You know,

976
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 2: you just don't like I'm going to just sit around

977
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: and just do this.

978
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: I feel like I grew up the same way ives

979
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: and did. We didn't have weight rooms, to weight program

980
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: or nothing about no body resim like playing basketball, playing

981
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: with guys that's on a higher level than us. That

982
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: was experience for us, and we learned from our mistakes,

983
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: Like I learned from my mistakes by playing with OG's

984
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: and I can't make a mistake. I'm the youngest dude

985
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: out there, one of the biggest dudes out there, but

986
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: I'm the youngest dude out there. As soon as I'm

987
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: making a steak, Og like, man, I shouldn't have picked

988
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: this young, you know what I'm saying. So I feel

989
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: like he came up where he didn't go on nobody's

990
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: weight room. He was so athletic and he knew how

991
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: to play football and basketball where he did it off experience.

992
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like everybody didn don't get that,

993
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: but you you putting it.

994
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just had to. You know, it's like

995
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm watching Kobe. I'm watching you know, going to the gym,

996
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: watching Kobe, going you know, to the gym, watching Royality

997
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: now seeing what veterans what what is the greats do?

998
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: Like you gotta remember, no one tells us how to

999
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: be great is a secret, right, No one tells you

1000
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 2: ship like you're in the Clippers organization, and who's telling you? Yo, Hey, Brook,

1001
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 2: don't don't follow these dudes going We're gonna going to

1002
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: the gym. We're gonna get three hundred shots up at midnight.

1003
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: You ain't sleeping. Let's go to the gym and gonna

1004
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 2: get three three come to the gym. No one's telling

1005
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: you gotta be strong. You got going away and I'm

1006
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: just following with the vet own like it is by

1007
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: looking at the grocery store. We just gotta police our own.

1008
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. You're sitting there as a

1009
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: as a young guy trying to figure out like I

1010
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 2: want this, but I don't know how to get it.

1011
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: So where do I go, I'm looking around an arena.

1012
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm the only one now, But am I doing? Am

1013
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: I not doing enough? Like? Like you know, so I

1014
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 2: don't have this, you know. So I got a call

1015
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: a what is Kobe doing over there? Oh? Yeah, he

1016
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: waking up at three? You know, at the gym at

1017
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: three o'clock? No he ain't. Yeahs I go to the back,

1018
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: take a cab. Let's go up and see sitting there.

1019
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: Oh he here? Wow? Oh he oh he he really here?

1020
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: So you see him now? Now I get to watch

1021
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 2: him how he works. Let me see how he works. Okay,

1022
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: he's in a full sweat. Is he playing today? He

1023
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 2: going through a full game, live battling, getting hit, going

1024
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: like whole jersey shirt, yeah, jersey playing like like body

1025
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: like two, let's go fouling. Let's go like come on

1026
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 2: harder like yeah, this is intent like and you and

1027
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: then come out in the game, get your thirty something

1028
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: like doing doing this same move three hundred times, four

1029
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: hundred times. So I'm writing this down like trying to

1030
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 2: figure out, all right, then I got to put this

1031
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: in because this is what he's doing.

1032
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 3: All right?

1033
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: What is ray Allen doing? All right? Yellen? Pick and

1034
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 2: rolls like going hard line drills up and down right

1035
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 2: okay okay, and you're just seeing and this is what

1036
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: the All Stars, the Superstars is doing. So now, going

1037
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: into my fifth year, I have an idea of what

1038
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: great players are doing. They're putting in extra time, They're

1039
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 2: really challenging in themselves because everything is so game like.

1040
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: When it comes to the game, it becomes easy, you know.

1041
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: And that's what that's what I that's what I learned.

1042
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: But I had to learn that just making a one

1043
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 2: phone call that I was just being nosy.

1044
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: Lookin, nobody's just gonna be just giving you that. And

1045
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: that's what I didn't realize trying to get a young

1046
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: cast all the information that I got. Be like, you

1047
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: need to know all this whether you take it and

1048
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: or you applied or at least somebody that told you

1049
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: to heard it before.

1050
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And you know why, Like

1051
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: you hear my comments about Devin Booker. Yeah, it wasn't

1052
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: a comments about him. It was like like, yo, the

1053
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: young mentality, Yes, get it, it's the young, but we

1054
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: don't know. No one knows until someone tells us. So

1055
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, and that's why I wrote it,

1056
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: It was rote it more for it. Look, you're gonna

1057
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: learn this at twenty five. I'm giving it to you

1058
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: now at twenty two because no one's gonna give it

1059
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 2: to you. So I'm giving it to you now at

1060
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: twenty two. So you understand the mentality that the better

1061
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: you get, the more you're gonna get double. You're gonna

1062
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 2: be playing games where you're never gonna see one player,

1063
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: so you might as well start training now. And the

1064
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: only way you can train is here doing it, doing

1065
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: it in these games. Because practice, your coach ain't saying, oh,

1066
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: we're gonna double Devin Booker. No, you're working on the

1067
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: other teams players. So the only time you're gonna see

1068
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: real doubles is in the game, which is too late.

1069
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: And when you're the best player and you got the

1070
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: ball in your hand and so much, you're really not

1071
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: sometimes playing against the defender, you're playing against the coach's

1072
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: strategy against you. Strate is against you. So you got

1073
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: to learn how to get it.

1074
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: And as I said, but remember how we practice, like

1075
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: you never double Corymugatti in practice, right, we're working on

1076
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 2: like going against Kobe or going against this person. So

1077
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 2: we're not necessarily doubling the star player. He's just practicing,

1078
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, He's just practicing. You're doubling

1079
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: the opposing player who's Kobe. You know, so y'all can

1080
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: run on how y'all gonna play? So technically, you never

1081
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 2: learn how to go against a double until you're in

1082
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 2: a game. And what ends up happening the first time

1083
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: somebody comes to Oh sh now you defeated. Now you're defeated.

1084
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: That's why that summer, That's why when I was watching

1085
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: Kobe and I told this is how you're supposed to train,

1086
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: because you're gonna learn it. Don't get me wrong, you're

1087
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: gonna learn it. I'm just giving it to you two

1088
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 2: years early because I started realizing the reason we don't

1089
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 2: tell each other our secrets because we're still competing, competing.

1090
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: We're still competing. So I'm not gonna tell you how

1091
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 2: I work.

1092
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: I know I'm not gonna work with exactly, but y'all

1093
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: want to run five on five.

1094
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: Even if I do work with you, I'm not gonna do.

1095
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do my regimen. I'm working on some shit.

1096
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: Oh y'all doing, Chris Johnson, I jump into Chris. We

1097
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: do a little together, but I'm not gonna do what

1098
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: I do that get me. You know, I'm gonna go

1099
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: by his program because that's what you're doing. And then

1100
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: when you leave, like Chris, I need to add some

1101
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: extra mo ship, I'll fake leave and come back. I leave,

1102
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: got it all right, gods see all tomorrow, leave and

1103
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 2: then come back Like should I just bullshit? Who did

1104
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: you pay? Your game?

1105
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: After?

1106
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: Who you've seen?

1107
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: It was like that, I won't.

1108
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: I want to use a move stealer move. So I

1109
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: grew up on Penny hardaway. But there was a point

1110
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: where I'm not gonna be six seven with all this bounce,

1111
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it was like really

1112
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 2: trying to just take you know, moves from you know, everybody.

1113
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: Just so what I did is like during the season,

1114
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: like this is Will Biden used to love when I

1115
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: came to Chicago during the season, like you did if

1116
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: you did a move like by bo, we're there. I

1117
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: go back and look at that that time when you

1118
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,959
Speaker 2: did I that's what I used to watch the time,

1119
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 2: pointed to the director, write that down here right down

1120
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: the time. I go back look at that move and

1121
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: like all right, the d Miles right, and then I

1122
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: just have this whole book that the Crawford all boom

1123
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: boom boom. So at the end of the season, I

1124
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 2: got this big blue book full of all these moves,

1125
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: and then in the summer I'm working on them. So

1126
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 2: it's like I'm crafting all my talent around all NBA

1127
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: players because it's like.

1128
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 4: Anything he liked, Like imagine he was talking about all

1129
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: the time, like I'm still I'm a moose.

1130
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: Still, I'm a moose. Still, I'm just stealing. Because you

1131
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 2: gotta remember, just like a just like a computer or

1132
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 2: laptop or iPhone, you have to update it. The only

1133
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: way you update is if you see something like I

1134
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: gotta update. So I gotta look at like gotta remember

1135
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: we don't have the same skill level.

1136
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: Because every move don't fit you like I tried to.

1137
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: I take moves like Steve Smith was a move that

1138
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I added to that's part of my game. But every

1139
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: move that I was getting or I seen you or

1140
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: I tried to get it didn't fit me.

1141
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: It was funniest it didn't have to fit long as

1142
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: long as your body understands that motion, Like I did

1143
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 2: the Euro I did the yeuro practicing all the steps

1144
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: of the euro never actually tried it in the game. Yeah.

1145
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: I used to spend the summer doing floaters. Never did

1146
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: a floater in the game. But it's in you. You

1147
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: then built it in and you might need it at

1148
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 2: some point and when you do decide to do it,

1149
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: it's not foreign. So you just all I'm doing is

1150
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: just bending my body learning, you know, how to do

1151
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: stuff like all of Jamal Crawford stuff. Oh I didn't

1152
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: put that all in the game. It's all in there.

1153
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 2: Just never had to use it because you gotta remember

1154
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: whatever your natural talent is, that's what you go to.

1155
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: But when he pushes up to me and you, boy,

1156
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: you took that move somewhere. You just applied it. Just

1157
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 2: now on the pressure because most moves come from, you know, reaction.

1158
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: You know, it's reacting, like if you're dribbling right and

1159
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: not cut you off, you're gonna do something just reaction,

1160
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: you know, and you're like, okay, damn, where did you

1161
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: get that from?

1162
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's really basic. It's not really a lot

1163
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: lot to basketball. It's basic, but it's a lot to basketball,

1164
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean.

1165
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 4: It's reading thinking this is what I want to ask you,

1166
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 4: because I know you somebody who really really watched this

1167
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 4: and can get in depth. What dudes do you love

1168
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 4: to watch right now in today's game? Like what dudes

1169
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 4: would you pay to go see because you like whatever

1170
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 4: they doing that more and how they're doing it.

1171
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: Russ all day, Like I go see just because if

1172
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: you spend no matter if you spend twenty thousand on

1173
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: the floor seat, he gonna give you the energy that

1174
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: you're gonna be like, all right, Okay, I paid, I

1175
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: paid for this, and I paid for this energy. You know,

1176
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go see Dame. I'm gonna go see you

1177
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: know Curry Kyrie just for the entertainment part Kyrie, because

1178
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: I know that's shaking. He gonna get like if he

1179
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: scored twenty points, it's all shaking big twenty. It's a

1180
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: shaking big twenty. So you know, it's like but at

1181
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'll watch everyone because everyone

1182
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: brings something different, you know what I mean. It's like,

1183
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 2: you know, today's game is it's not as bad as

1184
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 2: we wanted to be. You know, I don't think it's bad.

1185
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 2: Like I love like Harden, Like when people say like

1186
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: I asked a ref, I said, can you tell me

1187
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: why hardened moves passed? And he says, okay, harden move

1188
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 2: is let's say a seventy thirty seventy percent of the time,

1189
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: it's a legit thirty percent of the time he's traveling,

1190
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: but in real time, because it's seventy thirty, I have

1191
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: to give him the benefit of the doubt. I can't

1192
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: just prejudge that one actually right, there was a travel

1193
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: because you gotta remember when he goes, he's he's stepping. Now,

1194
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: I gotta like, how many steps was that like? So

1195
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 2: it's like one of those things that and he said,

1196
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 2: we can't do that. We just got to look at it.

1197
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 2: So when he does it and steps, it's like unless

1198
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 2: it was like boom boom boom boom boom travel. Other

1199
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: than that, I have to let the play.

1200
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: Because they don't look down, they go off, they go

1201
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 1: off body mostly yes, So it's like body looked like

1202
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: you can get no, you can't get from there to yeah.

1203
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying. But I can't prejudge that

1204
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: he traveled because he did get from there to there.

1205
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: So we looked together. Remember we're the rest we're looking

1206
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: at the play, so we're sitting there. Okay, it's a

1207
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: seventy thirty. So for the most part, he's doing it legit.

1208
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 2: Sometimes he gets anxious, So when he's in real time

1209
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: and he does it, I can't judge it that fast.

1210
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: But what I do is say, well, he's moving away

1211
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 2: from the basket, so the defense has an advantage because

1212
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 2: he's moving away. He's not moving towards the back, he's

1213
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 2: moving away from the basket. So I'm not going to

1214
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: help you out by just sitting here just blowing the

1215
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: whistle every time he does a step. So it's like, well,

1216
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 2: you know where he's going. He's going back there somewhere,

1217
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 2: you know. So I mean he's just making harder like

1218
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: he's making harder shots than easier shots. So you just

1219
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: let it slide.

1220
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 4: So with that being said, how would could you see

1221
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 4: yourself in this league? And how many eighties you would

1222
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 4: give to this league with now? Like cause you came in,

1223
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 4: like you said, it wasn't popular for you to be

1224
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 4: the point guard and being scoring, Like, now that's what

1225
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 4: it is, your point You better have a clip on you.

1226
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's so hard to it's it's hard

1227
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 2: to say like, oh yeah, I will kill and score

1228
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 2: fifty and sixty every time. Like I'll just fast forward

1229
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: and say, all right, I'm I'm like Dame, I'm like

1230
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: Harden where I'm three or the free to line three

1231
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: of the three the line. But because I scored different,

1232
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 2: like I'll post up. That's what I'm saying. I'm mid range.

1233
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm doing all this like I can say I can

1234
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,120
Speaker 2: be I will be really successful like thirty five. I

1235
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: can because I can see someone doing it. That That

1236
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: was my game. That was but other than Harden, I

1237
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: didn't dribble as much to get that bucket. So my

1238
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 2: buckets was a lot faster, you know. But to say,

1239
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 2: to say our average forty, I don't you real nose? Yeah,

1240
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 2: I said, I just go. But you gotta remember to

1241
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: score that much, you have to put that much more

1242
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 2: energy into it, you know. And that's just where like

1243
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: I don't like that's you know, then your team has

1244
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: to be bad or good and you know, just good

1245
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: enough to be okay. But you can score all the shots,

1246
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, So it's it's it still plays a lot.

1247
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 1: But there's no mid range. It's either you shoot long threes.

1248
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: Or you're playing the ball up. There's no mill range.

1249
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 1: I feel like the mid range players in the KDS,

1250
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: the Kawhi's, they stand out a little bit more because it.

1251
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: Was always it was kind of like that. It was

1252
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, Rip stood out a lot

1253
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: because he was a mid range hit today's game. But

1254
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: even in our game, even in our game, you gotta

1255
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 2: remember Ray Allen was either shooting the three curling, you

1256
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: know it was, but we had more offensive play. Our

1257
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: shooting guards were more offensively. You know, they were backpicks down,

1258
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: picked zippers up. You know, Dwayne Wade zippered up to

1259
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: the pick and roll like you know, you had more

1260
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 2: plays than you do now because now it's more ball dominant.

1261
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: Like you know, if my if my shooting guard is

1262
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: a score, we're just giving the ball. Like so CJ.

1263
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: McCullough plays more as a point guard score than he

1264
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: does a shooting guard score. You know. So you rarely

1265
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 2: have the clay. There's not a lot of clay types

1266
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 2: where we have to run. You're gonna have to run

1267
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: around and get these back screens, you know, most of those.

1268
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: Most if you if you can score, you're okay. There

1269
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: you go you go downhill on everybody. So it's a

1270
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: different game.

1271
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: You and Nick Young y'all got like a bond in

1272
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: a friendship like me and Q got a bond in

1273
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: a friendship. Man, Yeah, but like where did that come from?

1274
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 1: Like like may y'all be hilarious on the internet.

1275
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: You know, just you know, when he got the Washington

1276
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just coming back. But you know how

1277
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: you see talent and then you you know, it reminds

1278
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: me of when I was in that goofy personality, that

1279
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: fun you know, you don't know better. You know, it's

1280
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: like when you're a young kid and you come into

1281
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 2: an NBA where everyone's older. You're trying to bond with

1282
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: you you know, I'm trying to bond with someone. So

1283
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 2: it was, you know, our personalities clicked because we're two goofballs,

1284
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: you know. So now it's trying to teach a goofball

1285
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: how to be serious and win to be serious. So

1286
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 2: now the older guys who are serious, come on, man,

1287
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,920
Speaker 2: you two goofy like you know, you know you know

1288
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: how like come on, man, take this ship serious and

1289
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 2: looking at you different, you know, So now it's just

1290
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 2: not that don't even don't worry about the it's us.

1291
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 2: We just score us on this team. You know, now

1292
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: you're trying to bring them along. You're gonna be the future.

1293
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 2: We're gonna get rid of them, you know. You know

1294
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: we're gonna get rid of them. You know we're gonna

1295
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: trade them. You know. It was what you know it

1296
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 2: that's how you know we was. We was bonding so

1297
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: like on the road, he's with me. You know. It's

1298
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: just like you too. Y'alln't from from you know, basketball,

1299
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 2: And I always told you there's no you're not really

1300
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 2: enemies in basketball. There's no enemies in in in basketball,

1301
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,959
Speaker 2: because either we ran against you and AU we played

1302
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,479
Speaker 2: against in Au we played against. We had to ham together,

1303
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 2: we were roommates together. It was down the hall and

1304
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 2: some longer like you are. You became friends. And I

1305
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 2: was like even in the summer, like people's like, y'all,

1306
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 2: y'all don't fight like y'all, y'all pretend to fight. And

1307
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, because at the end of the

1308
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: day we might have to train together. In the summer,

1309
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: we traded, so you don't know, it's it's it's it's

1310
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 2: movable pieces, so you don't really have that real grudge.

1311
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 2: It's just a moment grudge, like all the nigga swum

1312
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 2: gonna be in the game. You know, I'm gonna get

1313
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 2: him back. But two weeks later you play against him

1314
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: in the game, y'all beefing like that. It's just somebody

1315
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,560
Speaker 2: else did something. I'm mad at him now for that.

1316
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 2: You know. So you guys are brothers. So when you

1317
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 2: got that bond, it's hard to let that bond go

1318
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 2: because that's I know in you longer than really I

1319
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: know my wife, even though we together ten years, I

1320
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: want you more because we're gonna roll together. We're playing

1321
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: together together. You know. It's like, Yo, you want to

1322
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 2: make Kate, make k Hey, babe, we gotta go train

1323
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 2: and floor out of deal for like three weeks to

1324
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 2: be back. You know, you just be sitting there lying,

1325
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: like even though you ain't doing nothing, you just want

1326
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 2: to be with your you know, you just want to

1327
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: hang out with your boy. You don't have to call

1328
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 2: and call. It ain't no pressure of trying to be perfect.

1329
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 2: And like you know, you're sitting there talking. You don't

1330
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 2: want to say like no, no, no no. You know

1331
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 2: you got that Cabos.

1332
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: You remember that time we was in Miami, Like no, no, no, no,

1333
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: I see your jersey collection, like your jersey collection stupid.

1334
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: From all the jerseys that you got, From all them

1335
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 1: jerseys that you got, which one was like the one

1336
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: that you remember the most, that stood out more than any.

1337
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 2: Of the got a million you got? It mean I

1338
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 2: don't have you know, somebodny, I don't have like one

1339
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: jersey I like the most. It's like like I got

1340
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 2: you got you know, I got your guys Clipper jerseys.

1341
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: It's it's the relationships. Yeah, you know what I mean.

1342
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 2: It's a relationships. Like somebody wanted to buy some of

1343
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 2: my collections. So I was like all right, cool, so

1344
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 2: you know how you're going through? And I realized all

1345
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 2: the jerseys I gave away people will die for. But

1346
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 2: I had no connection with him, Like I had no

1347
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,439
Speaker 2: connection with these church Like it was like the Wilt

1348
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 2: Chamberlain one hundred, like like why would you get out

1349
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: of way? I didn't know that mout you know, I

1350
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: didn't know him. Like when I'm fifty sixty, seventy years old,

1351
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 2: I want to be able to look at the wall

1352
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: and remember a game from this, you know. So doctor

1353
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: J's and some of these Jordan jerseys and all those

1354
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 2: the greatest fifty you can have. You can have these.

1355
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 4: I said, you do it when you do your Gilway,

1356
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 4: I'd be like man man like, so that that that

1357
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 4: kind of answers that from like why you get those?

1358
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,560
Speaker 4: But like that does because you like I say that

1359
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 4: a lot. I wish that I had did that more

1360
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 4: when I was in the league. You were one of

1361
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 4: the people because I remember, like you say, asked me

1362
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 4: for your jersey, and I can.

1363
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 2: Remember thinking like I never asked none of these. I

1364
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 2: was you know how I was like I was too much.

1365
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 2: I'm at you, I never give you the pleasure thing

1366
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 2: like he won't. And now I wish that I had,

1367
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 2: Like really did you know everyone used to look at

1368
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 2: me stupid, like it was because I asked anybody like yo,

1369
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: like yo, like yo, can I get your autograph and

1370
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:24,759
Speaker 2: like take it? Like oh dog right right? Like who's

1371
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: this fall for me? Like like either I'm gonna win

1372
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,560
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna ask it, or you gonna win and

1373
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 2: I'm one of these I'm gonna get the jersey. Got that.

1374
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: It took me.

1375
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 2: It took me like four years to get a ticket

1376
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: jersey iverson what so I had to get Iverson before

1377
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 2: the game because if one of us, you know, it

1378
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 2: was just one of those things is I just thought

1379
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 2: about it, like, you know what, this game is gonna

1380
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: be over at some point in life, and I want

1381
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 2: to be able to just reminiscem so just you know,

1382
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 2: like like hey, I remember like when I first seen

1383
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: him at the Jordan camp. I was out there just

1384
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 2: with the long joint like the point guard, Like that's

1385
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 2: that's that's like I can't George mikeh I fucking know him,

1386
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 2: like you know, And that's why, Like when when somebody

1387
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 2: asked and I'm just looking at the jersey and it's

1388
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 2: like t J Ford Nope, and there's all these like nope, nope, nope,

1389
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 2: and dudes like why are you you really giving me

1390
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 2: the Yeah, I don't know them people. I used to

1391
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: be tell my mom.

1392
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: My mom was like, yeah, I get so and so

1393
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: autographed for me, but I like, I ain't feel be

1394
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: asking all these real time I have to tell my

1395
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: mom I feel a week That's what I said.

1396
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 2: I was like I didn't have the ego because I

1397
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 2: wasn't you know when I was like it was like

1398
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: I'm down here, you know. So it's like so when

1399
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 2: I'm scoring, when I'm scoring scoring forty and fifty and

1400
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 2: I'm asking, I'm like, okay, okay, what was my jersey?

1401
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 2: Thank you? Like I I got when I got all

1402
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 2: the clips I got came in bearing like I got

1403
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 2: what's happening? Like I can you know? That's what I said.

1404
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: It was more of the one. When I look at it,

1405
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 2: I have a memory.

1406
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: Of you got a memory of No Chill Gil podcast.

1407
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: What made you be in the podcast world? Because now

1408
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: we're in the podcast world too, and I watch your

1409
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: show enjoy and enjoy and what makes you like kind

1410
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: of get out? Do you feel like you need to

1411
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: kind of just be yourself speak your mind on it?

1412
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 2: Was? What was funny is like when when the idea

1413
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 2: came because you know, you're listening to people's podcasts and

1414
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:34,080
Speaker 2: just like all right, and then you know, you watch

1415
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 2: ESPN and just like they just say't they don't say

1416
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 2: what's real? And it's just you know, that's ain't that

1417
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: ain't how we thinking, that ain't what we do? Like

1418
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: you just like how did y'all come up with that?

1419
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: And then and then you see X players on there

1420
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: and you're like are you talking? Are you talking like that?

1421
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 2: They don't like say something that really means something like

1422
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 2: reading even like you, how are you? How are you

1423
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 2: helping it? You? What information are you giving to the

1424
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: public that's coming up? Nothing? You just you talking about

1425
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 2: past the ball. You dribbled too much, and they made

1426
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 2: a rule for dribbling too much because of you. You

1427
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:18,439
Speaker 2: didn't play no defense, Charles, you should not actually mention

1428
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 2: defense in a segment because you didn't play it. So

1429
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 2: like you just sound phony to me, you know. So

1430
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 2: when I'm doing the podcast of it and we're just

1431
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 2: you know, like speaking on basketball, it's like do it

1432
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: with unbiased you know, decision making, like say it like unby.

1433
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 2: You can't be by. You can't tell somebody don't shoot

1434
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 2: that shot and all the shots you shot was bad

1435
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: or look bad. Like you just gotta be real about it,

1436
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 2: like when defense like yeah, I ain't I ain't really

1437
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: look at that, I ain't even really look at that.

1438
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: I can't sit there and talk about somebody else's how

1439
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 2: they play defense when I didn't even look at the defenses,

1440
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So you know, I can't

1441
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: you know, like tell you you a bad defender. If

1442
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 2: I if I was, I was last in my category,

1443
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, So like I can't you

1444
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 2: above me? So you play defenses, you know. So it

1445
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: was so once I got into it, you know, and

1446
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 2: people liked it, it was like all right. So when

1447
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 2: I started having guests, it was the same thing with

1448
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 2: you guys, like I'm not here to make you look bad.

1449
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 2: It's like we're having conversations. You know, this ain't this

1450
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: ain't I'm not media where I have no idea about

1451
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: what you go through. So I'm gonna ask you these

1452
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 2: questions and some like like I know what you went through,

1453
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 2: I know what you don't want to talk about, you know,

1454
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: talk to you know, so we're just gonna have conversations

1455
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 2: so you can just talk and you know, we can relate.

1456
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: Express yourself the way you want to express us.

1457
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 2: I think me think something like you that might irritate somebody.

1458
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,439
Speaker 2: I just had to take an out.

1459
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: New free agency. What do you think about? What do

1460
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: you think about the Clippers?

1461
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 2: Better?

1462
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: Who you think gonna win a championship this year?

1463
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: Lakers? I mean they're just they're they're big. The whole

1464
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: team is you the whole team is versatile. You have

1465
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 2: I mean, they can do a lineup that will kill

1466
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 2: Lebron at the point, Kuzma at the two, Anthony Davis

1467
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:16,919
Speaker 2: at the three. You can go Javel and Dwight. In hindsight,

1468
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 2: you be like, oh, they get killed where not on defense?

1469
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 2: And defense you got all sixteen and above just locking down,

1470
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 2: play like a zone type and just say, oh, go

1471
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 2: to the basket. You got five freak athletes jumping trying

1472
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: to block that shot. You can't guard it, like because

1473
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: one the point guard whoever you got Chris Paul Kyrie,

1474
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:44,759
Speaker 2: you got Guarbbron, You got guarbbron, or you gotta guard Kuzma,

1475
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So their lineup is so

1476
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 2: big that no one's paying attention to it. You know,

1477
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 2: no one's paying attention to how big this team really

1478
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 2: is and how athletic this team really is. You got

1479
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:03,160
Speaker 2: the Clippers. You got two small forwards that are great

1480
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Speaker 2: at both offense and defense. Most like, you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to put them at the two and three. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: you don't want to go three and four you become smaller,

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Speaker 2: So you put them at the two and of three,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna lock down, they're gonna walk down. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: they got one through three, lockdown, Week four and five

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Speaker 2: a little bit, I mean week five. But at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, there's still average height team. I

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Speaker 2: would like Scottie Pippen and get the job over there

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01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: because those two players or or be on that that

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Speaker 2: that bench, because those two players are you defensively now

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01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 2: you can give them the tricks that they need to

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01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 2: take their defense to the next level.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what you think about the Wizards now? John Wall

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Speaker 1: Bradley Y like, like, what you think about them?

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Speaker 2: You know, they're tough, They're in a tough They're in

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Speaker 2: a tough situation because you know, you're you're franchise guy.

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Speaker 2: You know John Wall has been you know, injured for

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years. And then you got Bill emerging,

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Speaker 2: the emerging as the next head of that that organization.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, you you gotta be careful because as

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Speaker 2: a business, obviously we're gonna get rid of John Wall,

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Speaker 2: bring somebody else in. As a business, you gotta understand,

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Speaker 2: you throw the guy, you throw the guy that's been

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01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: holding his city down. You throw him to the wayside.

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Speaker 2: It sparks up every other free agent like Dan. If

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Speaker 2: they can do that to John wall I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I want to go there. You know, you have

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Speaker 2: no you have no loyalty, you know, you know, So

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a fine it's a fine line because

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Speaker 2: now players talk, information gets out, you know what I mean.

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01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 2: Now players is actually thinking about everything now versus you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go for the big dollar. Every now

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01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: everything is the big dollar, you know. So it's now

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Speaker 2: you want to be careful on how you treat your players.

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01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: So you know with you know, Tommy Shepherd there he was,

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Speaker 2: which was a good dude. You know he knows that,

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Speaker 2: you know, relationships are way more important than you know, business.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what you know, what moves he makes.

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Speaker 3: So you know about this time, man, we won't wrap up.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: We definitely appreciate you for coming through rocking with us.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 4: We got the we got the special edition, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Knucklehead, especially that Hennessy Vso.

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Speaker 2: P boy, y'all know I'm never gonna open this right.

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Speaker 2: I know, I'm gonna get you the special glass. This

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Speaker 2: is my first one. You feel me, man, you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. He gonna put it up there now.

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Speaker 2: I'm never gonna open his bottle. Man, I'm serious. So

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Speaker 2: like one day fifteen twenty years from now. You know

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Speaker 2: one person too.

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Speaker 4: It's tall the Knucklehead fans. Much love, much love. We

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Speaker 4: appreciate the support and all all the love we've been getting.

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Speaker 4: Don't forget to check us out and subscribe and download

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Speaker 4: continue to support. We got some real heat coming yeact.

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