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Speaker 1: Hey, guys.

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Speaker 2: Here we are on normally the show with normalist takes,

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Speaker 2: but when the news gets weird, I am Mary Catherine

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Speaker 2: Ham and I am Carol Marco.

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Speaker 1: It's him Mary Catherine. So nice to be on with you.

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Speaker 1: And are your kids back at school?

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Speaker 2: Yet they are not because we have like eight inches

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Speaker 2: of snow so in the mid Atlantic that means we're

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Speaker 2: we're on ice literally and figuratively for three days now.

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those parents who loves having her kids home.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I kind of I jokingly blame myself for

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Speaker 1: COVID when in February twenty twenty I said that I

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Speaker 1: hope that this break never ends, and then it never did.

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Speaker 1: Oops that was me. Sorry, guys, but I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you the quiet in my house today not bad.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I also like having my kids home,

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Speaker 2: and when everyone is like, oh no, they're going to

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Speaker 2: be kept out of school tomorrow, I'm like, oh, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: will be fun.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: I know, I have some flexibility to hang with them,

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Speaker 2: which is fun. Although I'm not great in the snow,

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Speaker 2: I try to buck up and like pretend I'm great

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Speaker 2: in the snow. Yeah, Like I can do it. I

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Speaker 2: know how to wear warm clothes and boots and walk around.

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Speaker 2: But it's sort of half hearted, so I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: like put my heart into it for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I too, am not a snow fan. I mean

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Speaker 1: I like watching it from like a nice cozy warm

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Speaker 1: room with us. Yeah, yes, that is the snow. I enjoy,

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Speaker 1: not actually touching it or being in it.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I get it. Speaking of fires, Biden's

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Speaker 2: going out in a blaze of glory, Carol.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's decided to really spend these last few weeks.

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Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't decide anything. His staffers have decided

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Speaker 1: that he will spend these last few weeks making up

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Speaker 1: for four years of not being president, and he's making

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Speaker 1: some crazy moves, which in particular you're referring to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so this is a little bit lower on

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Speaker 2: the scale for maybe some people, but it's a good

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Speaker 2: It's a good one to keep your eye on. Is

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Speaker 2: this idea that a Japanese company was going to acquire

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Speaker 2: of iconic American company US Steel. A lot of US

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Speaker 2: steel workers were in favor of this. Union leadership is

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Speaker 2: not the company really needs an infusion of cash, but

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Speaker 2: the sort of official process, wouldn't you know it. They

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Speaker 2: came back saying this is a national security threat to

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Speaker 2: have an ally help with this company, and the Japanese

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Speaker 2: had given all sorts of concessions saying they'd moved their

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Speaker 2: headquarters to Pittsburgh. And even some liberal economists and people

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Speaker 2: who have sort of basic economic sense are like, this

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Speaker 2: is an ideological and political move. It's going to discourage

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Speaker 2: allies in the future. And here's the thing. The national

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Speaker 2: security risk is the chance that you might have less

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Speaker 2: steel produced in this country. You know what also might

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Speaker 1: Right, let me think, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Get we're in a populist moment, but this seemed not great.

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Speaker 1: Why is right? And the thing is that we don't

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Speaker 1: because we don't know who's making these decisions. We have

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Speaker 1: to go work for the steel union after the Biden

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Speaker 2: Do you think if Hunter had had a job with

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Speaker 2: Nippon Steel the thing would have gotten approved. I'm just

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Speaker 2: I'm just spitballing.

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Speaker 1: For all we know, Hunter has a job with somebody

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Speaker 1: getting approved. We just don't know. Is really the opaqueness

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Speaker 1: of this administration the lack of curiosity from the media.

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Speaker 1: I know, in previous episodes we've talked about how the

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Speaker 1: media is finally finally saying, like the untold story is

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden, you know, was incapacitated for most of

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Speaker 1: this presidency. But I kind of am starting and I

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Speaker 1: tweeted this and it became a viral tweet. I really

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Speaker 1: do think that the real story that they're specifically not

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Speaker 2: And this one doesn't look like a great one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Does anyway? Did anyone tell him he's not still trying

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why, which is why I think it's

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Speaker 1: vote for Democrats And I don't know. Similarly, a similar story,

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Speaker 1: Biden is preparing to issue a decree A Bloomberg reporter

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Speaker 1: final weeks in the White House. Again, do we know

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Speaker 1: why this is happening? Do we know who is behind this?

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Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about how having a president

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like once you once everyone admits that

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Speaker 2: this guy's not doing the job, the elected president isn't

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Speaker 2: capable of doing the job. Anything that's hard to revoke

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Speaker 2: Also, I don't understand why anything it is hard to

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Speaker 2: it and that Trump Trump magically has no power in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was told if I voted for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, democracy would be in danger, and they.

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Speaker 2: Were right, that's what they told us.

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Speaker 1: Yep. They also this last few days flurry of presidential

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Speaker 1: Lionel Messi, you know, I live in Florida. He plays

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Speaker 1: He didn't show up to the ceremony, which was extra

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Speaker 1: But why would he get the medal. Why would he

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Speaker 1: Somebody tweeted this, but it's likely a staffer just wanted

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of that in the modern

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Speaker 2: era is cool people I want to meet, so you're

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Speaker 2: give out awards for that. I was looking back at

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama, it won't surprise you needed to meet like

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Speaker 2: sixty cool people per term, so he really blew it out,

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Speaker 2: saying that I think it's good that Hillary Clinton got

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Speaker 2: not that many novelists and fiction writers get it. And

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Speaker 2: she created one of the worst spy novels of all time,

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Speaker 2: but an indelible work in the Steele dossier through the

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Speaker 2: funding of her campaign, which created a four year fantasy

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Speaker 2: And so I just I think she should be recognized

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Speaker 1: Well, you just see her in her metal standing in

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Speaker 1: front of her portrait saying, how it's how it started,

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Speaker 1: how it's going, Like it's not going that great? That great?

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Speaker 2: That's that's the other thing is like Hillary and Alex Soros, Well,

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Speaker 2: Alex Sorris is George Soros's son. Sorus is a huge,

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Speaker 2: like gargantuan liberal donor who gives to most, notably the

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Speaker 1: Right, the non psecuting das.

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Speaker 2: So between Hillary, who lost to Trump before, and Soros,

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Speaker 2: these are the people we want to reward.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. I Actually the only one that I really

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Speaker 2: That guy I find him pretty insufferable, Like I like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it's Staffer is probably making these decisions. At

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Speaker 2: Which, to be fair, i'd be like, I'm giving it

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Speaker 2: to Dolly and Charles Barklay immediately and just call him

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Speaker 1: Has Dolly not got one?

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Speaker 2: Please say no, she has been offered one, but she

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Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's very Dolly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course Dolly can do nothing wrong. Well, speaking

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Speaker 1: you know, galas and events that may maybe show up

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Speaker 1: to the second will be right back on normally, back

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Speaker 1: to the vibe shift. The last few days have been

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Speaker 1: more examples of this vibe shift, starting with Whitney Cummings

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Speaker 1: on New Year's Eve. She was on with CNN, and

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Speaker 1: she was had a great time making fun of everything

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Speaker 1: was a moment where anybody could be canceled for anything.

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Speaker 1: And even on the right, there was a sense of

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Speaker 1: there are some topics you just can't touch, and I

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Speaker 1: hope we never go back there.

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Speaker 2: I hope so too.

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Speaker 1: I tried to look up who said courage is contagious,

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Speaker 1: And what I've got for you is John Kasik wrote

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Speaker 1: a book with that title.

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Speaker 2: Well not always my muse, but I'll take it in

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Speaker 2: this occasion.

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Speaker 1: Right, we're going to take a short break and come

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Speaker 1: right back with normally our last topic. We're going to

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Speaker 1: go with the yes, I'm still mad bro topic. Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State Blincoln did an exit interview with the New

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Speaker 1: York Times and he had some interesting comments. They were

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Speaker 1: very aggressive towards him. The interviewer kind of basically told

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Speaker 1: him he has no control and the Biden administration has failed.

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Speaker 1: But there was this clip that people were talking about

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Speaker 1: kind of favorably. Let's roll it.

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Speaker 4: There have been two major impediments and they both go

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Speaker 4: to what drives from us. One has been whenever there

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Speaker 4: has been public daylight between the United States and Israel,

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Speaker 4: and the perception that pressure was growing on Israel. We've

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Speaker 4: seen it hamas is pulled back from agreeing to a

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Speaker 4: ceasefire and the release of hostages. And so there are

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Speaker 4: times when what we say in private to Israel where

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Speaker 4: we have a disagreement is one thing, and what we're

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Speaker 4: doing saying in public maybe another. But that's in no

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Speaker 4: small measure because with this daylight, the prospects of getting

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Speaker 4: the hostitgencies fire deal over the finish line become more distant.

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Speaker 1: Who created that daylight between America and it's very close

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Speaker 1: ally Israel. I don't feel that daylight between Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: with Benjamin Ittt and Yahoo, and still I don't see

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Speaker 1: a policy daylight between our two countries when Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is in charge. So this whole thing, and you know,

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Speaker 1: my Jews they're just there, They're so ready to take

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Speaker 1: any crumb, and so so many Jews posted this like, oh,

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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you Secretary of State Blincoln for saying this,

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Speaker 1: and for saying that not enough countries criticized Hamas, and

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Speaker 1: you know all of that. That First of all, that

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Speaker 1: second part is so obvious. Yes, Hamas is who caused

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Speaker 1: this war, and saying so is not some brave stands.

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Speaker 1: But the second part, he's saying that there shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: daylight between the US and Israel, but they caused that

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Speaker 1: daylight so well.

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Speaker 2: And what he's stating is that is plain truth and

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Speaker 2: obvious rational observation, which is that a terrorist organization which

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Speaker 2: is like by its nature ungovernable and not going to

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Speaker 2: act rationally with you, then is discouraged from sort of

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Speaker 2: making concessions if you're harder on the rule following part

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Speaker 2: of this discussion, which is Israel, right, and like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you guys have been causing that right, right, And

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Speaker 2: then he's sort of sucking up to the interviewer, who

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Speaker 2: is Lulu Garcia Navarro and she she did another similarly

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Speaker 2: odd and somewhat hostile interview with Jadie Vance of the

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Speaker 2: New York Times. She's of the New York Times. He's

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Speaker 2: sort of sucking up to her by saying, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're like doing this other stuff behind the scenes, but

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Speaker 2: in public, like we got to be supportive. Well, now

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Speaker 2: you've kind of ruined the illusion. There wasn't one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I really was.

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Speaker 2: That was your plan. You've said the quiet power out

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Speaker 2: loud as.

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Speaker 1: They exactly, And she ends up saying to him, nat

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Speaker 1: Yahu did whatever he wanted, which isn't untrue. Like there's

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Speaker 1: a part where she says he went into Rafa even

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Speaker 1: after you told him not to, And he says, no,

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Speaker 1: but he went in a different way. I'm not so

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Speaker 1: sure he did. I think he just did whatever. So

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Speaker 1: he should do what he needs to do, absolutely, should

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Speaker 1: do whatever he needs to do, and shouldn't wait for

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Speaker 1: his greatest ally to give him that permission. But he

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Speaker 1: was absolutely trying to suck up to this interviewer and

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Speaker 1: say that you know, no, no, we really did get

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Speaker 1: him to do things. And if they did again, that's

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Speaker 1: what creates the daylight. That's exactly what Hamas sees. They

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Speaker 1: see the US pressuring Israel to do certain things, and

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Speaker 1: they say, we'll wait this out. They don't care about

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Speaker 1: dead Palestinian I mean, nobody cares about the Palestinian people

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Speaker 1: more than the Israelis. So it's you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: joke that the Biden administration was trying to do something

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Speaker 1: that would ultimately lead to a solution here. I think

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Speaker 1: that that they have failed on every measure of this,

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Speaker 1: and they're heading into the Trump administration over a year

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Speaker 1: past October seventh, with one hundred hostages still being held,

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Speaker 1: including four Americans. I mean, this is a failure top

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Speaker 1: to bottom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the biggest beneficiary of Blincoln's diplomacy was

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Speaker 2: Blinken's miles account. Like he's just like over there every

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Speaker 2: single week doing counterproductive things. And to the extent that

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Speaker 2: Israel didn't listen to the US and there was not daylight,

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Speaker 2: or there was that daylight, it was to the benefit

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Speaker 2: of Israel's security, right, and that's to the benefit of

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Speaker 2: America exactly.

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Speaker 1: So, yep, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Because ViBe's going to shift real fast there.

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Speaker 1: Yep, that's right. Thanks for joining us on normally Normally

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