1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: The art of losing isn't hard to master. So many 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: things seem filled with the intent to be lost, that 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: their loss is no disaster. That's the opening of a 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: poem called one Art by Elizabeth Bishop. Why are we 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: quoting poetry on today's episode, because we're talking about losing things, 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, a building here or there, maybe a burial ground, 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: an entire civilization, perhaps possibly in excellent Well, so are we, 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: because that's what this classic episode of Stuff they Don't 9 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: Want You to Know is about. Who oh man, we 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: were gonna make lots of good points about how easy 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: it is to actually lose a city. You may not 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: think so, but we're gonna make a lot of those 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: good points in this episode. No, seriously, we actually we 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: we uh, we learned some pretty cool stuff on this one. Uh. 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: Sometimes we're a little bit hesitant to listen back to 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: things from so long ago, but we think this one 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: holds up and we hope you enjoy it as well. 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: From UFOs two Ghosts and Government cover Ups. History is 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 20 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody, 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: welcome back. This is stuff they don't want you to know. 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I'm Ben, and today we're 23 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: talking about lost civilizations. Let me ask you a question then, 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: oh all right, all right, good, I'm glad you're on board. 25 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: Have you ever lost something? I've lost many things, and uh, 26 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: it's coming throughout a lot of human literature and art, 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: this idea of losing things. Everybody, statistically speaking, everybody has 28 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: at some point lost something. It could be something small, 29 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: like your car keys. It could be something metaphorical, like 30 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: one time I lost my religion. There you go. I 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: was listening to way too much R. E. M. And 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, it happens. I guess that they said it happens. Yeah, 33 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: and you're you're in the market for a new religion? 34 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, looking around checking out eBay. Well. One thing 35 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: that's also weird about human history is that we've lost 36 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: big things too. We've lost entire civilizations, We've lost entire cities. 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: And you and I have done several video episodes on 38 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: the nature of lost civilizations. Right now, that's correct. We have, 39 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: I believe two episodes that you can find on our 40 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: older channel that one day will be brought over to 41 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: our new YouTube channel and on test tube but we 42 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: also have a fairly new one that we kind of 43 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: started our new channel out with about lost cities. Yeah. Yeah, 44 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: that's a two part episode. You can find all that 45 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: on YouTube and on test tube. And we've we've talked 46 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: about this because it's strange when when you go back 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: in to research on history. One thing that's weird that 48 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: happens is the further back you go, the less stark 49 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: the line between myth and reality becomes us. So that 50 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: for instance, um, if you trace back the origins of 51 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: Chinese civilization, you quickly run into While I say quickly 52 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: depends on how faster flipping the pages, I guess, um, 53 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: you'll run into eventually this area of time wherein the 54 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: legends are the closest thing to universal historical record. And 55 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: when we us being you know, human beings at large, 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: when we research lost civilizations, what we find is a 57 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: huge wealth of rumor legend, misdirection, fable, but we also 58 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: often find a grain of truth. One thing that really 59 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: blew the lid off of law civilizations and launched it 60 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: from you know, kind of a speculative pseudo science. Wouldn't 61 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: it be cool if kind of thing and made it 62 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: a real viable feasible pursuit was the discovery of ancient Troy. 63 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: And for uh, for a long time people thought that 64 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: Troy the city was either u completely fictional thing or 65 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: just somewhat loosely based on reality, the same way that 66 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: a lifetime show is inspired by true events. But come 67 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: to find out that actually is a real place, and 68 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: it wasn't just a real place. It had uh, it 69 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: had layers of different periods in in the civilization's history. 70 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: Now we also have other things that may or may 71 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: not have some sort of basis in fact. And we 72 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: can't go any further unless we talk about the Big A, 73 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: the most famous of all legendary law civilizations. Matt Frederick, 74 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you intro this one. We have in 75 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: the left hand corner, the red corner Atlantis fighting out 76 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: of the Pacific or the Atlantic or somewhere who knows. 77 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: We don't know where it exists, but it's there and 78 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: it's called Atlantis. We know that for sure. Yeah, perfect intro, 79 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: and thank you. We know that it's called Atlantis because 80 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: this guy may have heard of named Plato, uh wrote 81 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: about it and said, yeah, there was this city around 82 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: nine thousand years before me that uh was beyond the 83 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: pillars of Heracles, to the west of Gibraltar, and he 84 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: just had some insider information. Yeah, he had some insider 85 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: info back before. Insider info is against law. Um, let 86 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: me just imagine some finger quotes there on against the law. 87 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: And according to Plato's story, the people of Atlantis angered Pacide, Uh, 88 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: see God, pretty big deal back in the day, and 89 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: he sank the city. Now, as we know, that's already 90 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: kind of a diplomatic way, would you say, it's kind 91 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: of an implausible story because no one has proved the 92 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: existence of see God's yet. Well, yeah, and not yet. 93 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: We're we're getting better at this, sorry Catulu fans. I 94 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: like Pacific Realm and Lovecraft too, but at this point 95 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: there's not too much evidence one way or the other. Now, 96 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: as we know, people have claimed to find the origin 97 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: of Atlantis all around the world, in the Caribbean, in 98 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: the Pacific, in the Atlantic. You'll hear stories all the time, 99 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: or you'll read stories. Um, you'll find them usually online 100 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: from let's say, not the most reputable source. Sure, talking 101 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: about sunken pyramid with some pictures that look to me 102 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: like they've been photoshopped. I can't prove it, but I'm 103 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: pretty sure, uh, and you'll you'll hear about that at 104 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: least once or twice a year. And the reason that 105 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: we bring up Troy in the beginning is because, for 106 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: a long time, as crazy as it sounds, the city 107 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: of Troy was put up there right around the same 108 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: level of plausibility as the city of Atlantis, until an 109 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: archaeologist named Heinrich Schliman Schleiman rediscovered it in the nineteenth 110 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: century and hopefully, uh, the journalist at the time pronounced 111 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: his name better than I just did, Sorry, Germany. Um. 112 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: The key questions here that we're tackling are how likely 113 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: is it that humanity could lose entire cities or civilizations? 114 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: And spoiler alert, the answer is incredibly likely. In fact, 115 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's fair to say that there could be 116 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: cities that are extant and known today that could later 117 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: be lost to just the slow grind of history. And 118 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: it is frighteningly plausible that there are undiscovered cities right now, 119 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: or rather lost cities. The people who knew who built them, 120 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: probably knew where they were. Um. So, so just when 121 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: you're as you're talking, I'm just thinking about the the 122 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: line kind of drawn in the sand for me. Uh 123 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: about how civilization could be lost is the record keeping 124 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: techniques of whatever the day. So it sounds to me 125 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: as though I don't think there ever will be another 126 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: lost civilization on Earth because we have so many records 127 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: throughout the world. Internationally, we're becoming so globalized, okay, so 128 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: we're so interconnected that even for example, if let's just 129 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: pick an isolated place, okay, like the mall Dives. The 130 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: Maldives are um an island nation, one of the ones 131 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: at the most immediate threat of I guess sinking into 132 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: the ocean with rising sea levels. So then the argument 133 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: would be, well, now that the cost of communication across 134 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: the world is so cheap, everyone is able to find 135 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: out that the Maldives exists. It will be known that 136 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: it existed, right. It won't be lost, The structures will 137 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: be lost, the population will be dispersed, but it will 138 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: be known that, yes, Maldives really was there. We can 139 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: google map it. Here's where I think it gets interesting too, 140 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: because I used to be on the same page with 141 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: you and that in that respect, when we say the 142 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: slow grind of history, though, let's take it out thousands 143 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: of years because the the error, or rather the flaw 144 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: in this global information system is that it depends upon 145 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: uh technology, several different types of technology in order for 146 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: it to be accessed. So let's just go dystopian Matt. 147 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 1: Let's say huge nuclear war. The world is up a 148 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: certain creek without a paddle. You know, all the vault 149 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: dwellers or are coming out of their vaults. All the 150 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: vault dwellers are coming out of their vaults. And over 151 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: over the thousands, maybe even millions of years that they've 152 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: been locked in, super mutants are roaming in the hills. Yeah, 153 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: they've speciated, and they're different to the point where they 154 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: can't even breed together. Um. And then they start finding 155 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: relics and they find you know, cast off bits of 156 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: things that maybe wouldn't have expired, like the ruined stone ruins, 157 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: perhaps models of cola right plastic and uh. Then they 158 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: start to piece this together and they could rediscover it. 159 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: What I guess the point we're making is that, um, 160 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: it is much less likely that cities will be lost 161 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: now as in forgotten. You know, it's still it's still 162 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: the same dangerous game when we ask will cities survive? 163 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,719 Speaker 1: Because there are any number of natural or and interstellar 164 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: disasters against when human beings are entirely helpless, entirely helpless, 165 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: even the most wealthy people in the world will just 166 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: be able to use their wealth to g tfo before 167 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: before it hits the fan. Speaking speaking of wealth and 168 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: being a factor in the survivability of civilization, let's talk 169 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: about something that kind of strings together all of these 170 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: civilizations in humanity as a whole. Uh water Ah good. 171 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: And this is this is something that we discussed in 172 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: the first episode of Law Civilizations about how large a 173 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: factor water played in several civilizations, the Mayan civilization, the 174 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: Indusk or Haraping civilization, and even Anchor and how water 175 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: was just kind of the underlying problem that they all 176 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: ended up having to face, and when they faced it, 177 00:11:54,559 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: they had to g tfo um. So well, okay, now 178 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: now look at that today, and let's let's think about 179 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: how aquifers are being purchased, how water is largely being privatized, 180 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: and and we even it's funny. We even mentioned back 181 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven we made that first episode that 182 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: it's kind of silly, it's or not silly. We didn't 183 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: say that, we said it was kind of fanciful to 184 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: talk about water wars and the you know, in the future, 185 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: having a war where water is the main resource that's 186 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: being fought over. And now with a lot of what 187 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: we're seeing again with the privatization, it seems like it 188 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: may be a real thing that we're gonna have to 189 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: deal with soon. Yeah, and as soon as a tricky 190 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: word there, because do we mean soon in the larger 191 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: context of history or do we mean soon as in 192 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: within our lifetimes? And in that context, uh, within your lifetime, listener, 193 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: means it may as well be happening right now. Uh. 194 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: The I love that you brought up the point about water. 195 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: So in anglor Watt in the Maya and the Robin 196 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: civilizations that we talked about in that episode, we try 197 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: to trace the fall of these civilizations, and there's a 198 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: frighteningly plausible argument that what caused a lot of these 199 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: civilizations to collapse, or these great cities and empires to 200 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: fall was an ecological disaster. In the case of Angkor 201 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: why it was a lack of water um that came 202 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: about because they simply had a huge population of people, 203 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: and of course it was an agricultural economy and they 204 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: had great infrastructure. Yeah, they had aquifers, they had aqueducts. Uh, 205 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: just there wasn't enough for the population. Yeah, and there 206 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: was an anomalous series of droughts, so they were running 207 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: on reserves for a while, and then ultimately they couldn't 208 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: support the people. And the story is similar with these 209 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: other two civilizations. And we find that in that episode 210 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: we find the climate change. Um let me take a 211 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: second here. When we say climate change as well, we 212 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: don't mean the current argument about climate change. We mean 213 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: that the ecosystem in which these cities were built or founded, 214 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: uh failed them or changed in a way that in 215 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: a way that they were not able to adapt to 216 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: in enough time to survive. And we know that water 217 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: can do uh something else to ruin a civilization which 218 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: is completely flooded. Matt, I don't know if you saw 219 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: this on read it recently, but a new Egyptian city 220 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: has been rediscovered. It was it's underwater now. Oh man, 221 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: it's crazy. They're getting great artifacts, hieroglyphs that are preserved 222 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: almost perfectly. It's pretty incredible. And we also know that 223 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: there are numerous underwater features. I guess is the best 224 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: word to say, like themini road or something that people 225 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: have positive might be the work of human beings at 226 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: sank under the ground. Another thing, another way we can 227 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: lose these is through volcanic eruption like pay Yeah, you 228 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: have volcanic eruptions even now can form brand new islands. Um, 229 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: just it's actually happening. You can search for this, go 230 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: to Google and search new volcanic island. Yeah. And what's 231 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: another thing that's kind of I guess you know what 232 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: I will say to me this is a positive note. Uh. 233 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: It is true that with the evolving technology that we have, 234 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: with our increasingly sophisticated means of pulling our own forensic 235 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: science experiments on the past, we have found that, um, 236 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: we got so much stuff wrong about history. You know, 237 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: we're finding footprints, human footprints four thousand years before they're 238 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: supposed to be in a place. We're finding human d 239 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: n a thousand years ago. Yeah, older than it should be. 240 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: And and we're even finding you know, things that qualify 241 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: as completely different types of pure hominic groups to human beings, 242 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: which is is um a level beyond the Neanderthal. It's 243 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: it's you know, the Dennis Silvans I believe are one 244 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: of them, or the hotly debated Homo florenzis um, which 245 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: would be if if this is true, if the most 246 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: outrageous stuff is true, then they would be a race 247 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: of little people. It just makes you realize that you, 248 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: we can't take any of this stuff for granted. Well, 249 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: we have to be vigilant and constantly searching. And that's 250 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: why science is really important, guys. Research, it's studying the 251 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: past is just as important as studying the future, in 252 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: my opinion, and I think I agree with that. It 253 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: reminds me of the William Falkner quotation when he said 254 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: the past isn't over, it isn't even past. Yeah, and 255 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: let's pick up on the point about science, because one 256 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: thing that you and I ran into when we were 257 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: doing these episodes was an alarming tendency towards bad science, 258 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: primarily um. For most of the most of the span 259 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,479 Speaker 1: of archaeology, the primary problem in the science has been 260 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: institutionalized racism. You know, European European forces come to Africa, 261 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: they find the ruins of ancient civilizations, Great Zimbabwe or 262 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: so on, and then they say, oh, well, there's no 263 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: way that native Africans could have built this where is 264 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: the secret Lost tribe? Because that makes sense. I don't know, 265 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: it's so weird to me. We've we've been getting a 266 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: lot of flak on YouTube in the comments because we've 267 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: discussed we want to discuss that point of institutionalized racism 268 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: at that time period and well pretty much in the 269 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: past from this point, um. And I it's tough for 270 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: me too kind of swallow that criticism because I understand 271 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: what people are saying. You know, you're playing the racism card, 272 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: is I think. But unfortunately, this is just a kind 273 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: of a truth that we need to face at some point. 274 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: Well sure, and I you know, I understand somebody saying that, 275 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: but they're objecting to something different than what we have 276 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: done in that video, which is the which is the fact, 277 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: the concrete historical fact that due to pre existing notions 278 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: of how the world or human society should be, a 279 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: lot of scientists who could have made some great headway, 280 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: uh when when their time income instead retreated back to 281 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: their ideologies. And it's kind of like the it's kind 282 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: of like the Holocaust experiment stuff. You know, it's bad 283 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: science because the guys set out, the people who are 284 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: conducting those experiments set out to reach a predetermined conclusion. 285 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: Now I will say, I will say, to be absolutely 286 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: fair that assuming, um, assuming that there was no great 287 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: secret to find or there was no lost technology, is 288 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: just as silly as assuming that there had to be 289 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: UM some you know, well, imagine the most unrealistic thing 290 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: you could see, right like, UM, time travelers from the 291 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: future come back and build the pyramids to found the 292 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: Masonic Order that later builds the time machines and post 293 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: apocalyptic Earth to send them back to finish the loop. 294 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's I'm just kind of riffing on that one. 295 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: But we do know, we do know that, UM, different 296 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: different techniques, different processes that we are using are bearing 297 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: fruit because lost civilizations and lost cities are being found 298 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: at an unprecedented rate and across the world in South America, 299 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: in the Near East, UM, who knows what's out there 300 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: in Eurasia or Siberia or places where UM, you would 301 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: have to have a massive amount of funding to uncover something. 302 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: And to be absolutely fair, again, UM, who knows what 303 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: we will find? I'm so excited about it. Yeah, I am. 304 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: I am personally thrilled. Brings the Indiana Jones part of 305 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: me that's hidden deep down in my childhood. It just 306 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: brings it right to the surface. And when we let's see, 307 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: we've touched on a lot of stuff in this one 308 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: and um, we don't want to completely ruin the episodes 309 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: for anyone who hasn't seen them, and you should check 310 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: them out. Uh. One one thing that we can find 311 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: if we want to call this in favor of you know, 312 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: the quote unquote conspiracy theorists versus the quote unquote skeptics 313 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: who are not usually don't like those two sides. Man, Yeah, 314 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't either. They're not. They're kind of a false dichotomy. 315 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: And usually the people who are quote unquote skeptics are not. Um, 316 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: the people who often are self described skeptics are have 317 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: some preconceived notions. But and that's what we found in 318 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: a lot of our research. It doesn't lie on the 319 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: outskirts of any issue. Really, the the truth that that 320 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: we've been drilling down to, it's usually somewhere near the 321 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: middle on one side or the other. Uh, it's usually right, 322 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, right near the middle somewhere where it's especially 323 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: with these law civilizations. Right, there's there's truth to it 324 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: that we can find a point to um. But there's 325 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: so much left that, let's say, the more imaginative ideas 326 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: can't be dismissed. Ubar Hali Gate, Shangri Law, the Minoan Empire. 327 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: These are just these are just a few of the 328 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: examples you've heard about, oh El Dorado for instance, um 329 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: Sue dot Blanca. What what we are finding shows us 330 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: clearly that there is a hugely favorable probability that there 331 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: are undiscovered cities. And when we say cities, we mean 332 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: possibly massive cities that might be underwater now due to 333 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: a shift in um land mass, or that might be 334 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: completely covered due to some other sort of disaster, especially 335 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: now that we know from that DNA discovery recently that 336 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: humanity goes back much further than we thought. So we 337 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: need to start looking in places that perhaps have been 338 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: covered over for three thousand years. Oh yeah, what if 339 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: the ice caps melt and it turns out that has 340 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: been in the South Pole of the entire time. It's 341 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy to think about it, and it 342 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: sounds silly, but yeah, well it's not necessarily silly. It's 343 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: it's silly if we say that's definitely gonna happen. But 344 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: but it is a point of departure, and this is 345 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: um Honestly, this is an exciting time to be alive, 346 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: not just for an archaeologists, but this is an exciting 347 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: time to be alive for anyone who wants to see 348 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: how the official narrative of history has been wrong and 349 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: humanity as a whole, and and the official story of 350 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: humanity as a whole. 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