WEBVTT - Renaldo Nehemiah

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<v Speaker 1>This is cut to It with Steve Smith Senior at

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<v Speaker 1>production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith Senior and I'm John and this is cut

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Good do it, Good do it. Let's getting

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<v Speaker 1>down to do it. Good do it. We asked the

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<v Speaker 1>questions you always want to know, but no one ever asked,

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<v Speaker 1>let's cut to it. You ain't heard them about it?

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're about to let you know. It's all. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you ready? Cut to it? Cut to it? I love

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<v Speaker 1>our themes, so man, really, we never really talked about that.

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<v Speaker 1>We got Anthony Hamilton on our track. Man, that's cool,

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<v Speaker 1>it's super cool. But why did you try to sing

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<v Speaker 1>it though? Hey I just felt like that sometimes. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that again. No, sorry, I'm not gonna be boxed

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<v Speaker 1>in refresh all in February. You're not boxing me in

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<v Speaker 1>listen what you what? What you did? Not hit? I

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<v Speaker 1>want to box an You ain't hitting nor hater you

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<v Speaker 1>actually yes, because my ears hate to hear that. My

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<v Speaker 1>ears love and the hamblen See what you got on

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<v Speaker 1>your tell you what happened to me? I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>there are some times I just sit back and giggle, giggle, giggle,

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<v Speaker 1>grown man giggling. Oh it's it's some giggly stuff out

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<v Speaker 1>there now, all right, all right, so just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve goes out out into the world. I gotta buy

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff, alright, got the honey dudeless. So, um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>driving around Charlotte looking for some some items, and you said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we should look at this, and so I go to

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<v Speaker 1>a store. We're gonna buy all right. I sent her

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<v Speaker 1>your do to measuring it fits. Okay, it's on sale.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always a good thing, that my combination if it's

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<v Speaker 1>in sale, boom right as they say, you know in

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<v Speaker 1>the mobster business, by the being by the back. Because

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<v Speaker 1>I was buying the freezer, right, So the gentleman who

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<v Speaker 1>helped me what was his name, um, the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>helped me. No, No, he was actually he was really

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<v Speaker 1>healthy to was extremely helpful. So I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>can we measure this? I just need I'm getting a freezer,

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<v Speaker 1>um for the garage. I need to see how deep

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<v Speaker 1>the freezer is to see and because you know, looking online,

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<v Speaker 1>you it doesn't really have I mean, you know you

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<v Speaker 1>get measurements, but it really doesn't. You got an eye test, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I look, okay, perfect I said, all right, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta load this up in my car, so can we

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<v Speaker 1>just take it out of the box, just be easier. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, all right, we could do that, take it

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<v Speaker 1>out of the the box. So I pay for it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I pay for it in the area. Got to receive

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<v Speaker 1>the guy uh staples his card on there is Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if you need anything else, come to me. Absolutely, he

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<v Speaker 1>took care. He was excellent, what a smile. I had

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<v Speaker 1>a great time. He had a great time, and we

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<v Speaker 1>chickchat a little bit. Boom. So mine of my business.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where it gets interesting. You got the

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<v Speaker 1>little flat bed and so I'm pushing it going through.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got on sweat pants and sweatshirt and hat

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm in public mask ah. So I go. I

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<v Speaker 1>go past the little scanner things that you can scan

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the ch self checkout, but I pay

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<v Speaker 1>for I got to recede in hand. I know who

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<v Speaker 1>I am, meaning not Steve Smith, but guy individual person.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm black. Let's put the cars on the table. I'm black.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all going there. This woman says, can I help

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<v Speaker 1>you on your way out? On my way out? No,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how I said it. No. Now when she says,

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<v Speaker 1>can she helps me? She has now stepped in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the flat bed that has this freezer on it?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I help you? What's it? No? Oh? Well, do

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<v Speaker 1>you have a receipt? Mm hmm? I said, I know

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<v Speaker 1>where this is going? I said, yes, m were you

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let me see it? I said, what you didn't ask?

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<v Speaker 1>You said, do I need help? A totally different questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what the public school? You toss not killing

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<v Speaker 1>them in the yell department. But she goes, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. Yeah, not really, but okay, no, not okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and not really. I said, you didn't ask me if

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<v Speaker 1>I paid for it? Or can I see the receipt?

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<v Speaker 1>You said, do I need help? And I didn't need help? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I was asking the same thing, so you should you

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<v Speaker 1>should know the difference. And in my head, I'm going,

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<v Speaker 1>you should know the difference because help and prace on

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<v Speaker 1>that half of bets are pretty different. H and all,

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<v Speaker 1>so you've already paid for you trying to make your

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<v Speaker 1>way out. She's basically has walked herself in front of

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<v Speaker 1>them and walked. She stopped and said, you know, can

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<v Speaker 1>I help you? I said no, ma'am, I said no,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll let me see the receipt I said, here's the receipts,

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<v Speaker 1>actually trying to prove your purchase as well. She's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to prove your purchase, which is nothing wrong with proving purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>But then now you're mad at me. But because the

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<v Speaker 1>way you asked me was I got I got not

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<v Speaker 1>racially profiled, I just got profiled. Let me see if this,

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<v Speaker 1>let me see if he's telling the truth. Yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear them still profiling, Yes, you want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>The best thing about it she never even looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the receipt because the freezer and what it was scanned,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not visible anymore. All the skill numbers were on

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<v Speaker 1>the box that the salesman has. And so now she

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<v Speaker 1>has an attitude with me standing in front of the

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<v Speaker 1>flat bed with a freezer on it. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>did she think you'd be that bolt to get a

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<v Speaker 1>freezer off the shelf, unboxing, put it on a flat

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<v Speaker 1>bed and just walk smoothed out of this retail established.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to use the word waltz, however you want

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<v Speaker 1>jaywalk moon walk? And what what bothered? What bothered me morning?

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<v Speaker 1>You thing is how she approached me as if like

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<v Speaker 1>I was in the wrong, and I understood, she's got

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<v Speaker 1>to do her job. She gotta do a job, but

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<v Speaker 1>don't say can I help you and then tell me

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<v Speaker 1>that helping and let me see the receipt is the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same thing when it's clearly not. And it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like this, she had an attitude with me. We'll have

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<v Speaker 1>a nice day if i'd ran her Scott over with

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<v Speaker 1>that flat bed in that freezer, didn't it be headlines,

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<v Speaker 1>assault with a deadly weapon, or you know, whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>case may be. And I just and what it brought

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<v Speaker 1>it up to me is there's been times that I've

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<v Speaker 1>also looked extremely tacky walking into it into a designer

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<v Speaker 1>purse store to buy something and you got questions, Oh, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how much can I see that back? Oh yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a Yeah. They love to give you the price first,

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<v Speaker 1>don't they. And here's my problem with the price of

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<v Speaker 1>a person. As in a designers store, you behind the register,

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<v Speaker 1>you are gathering that product to show me your name

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<v Speaker 1>ain't Louis or Tom right, you work for them? And

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<v Speaker 1>I walked in here, so clearly I have some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of but I'm thinking about it, but it's not that

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<v Speaker 1>person's place to make that distinction. No, I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all they know is that's a customer. Yes, now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a TACKI customer. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've walked in I I'm giving them my out. I've

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<v Speaker 1>walked into a Louis Vauton Gucci store, bron sweatpants, house,

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<v Speaker 1>shoes in the hood, and the hat looking like I

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<v Speaker 1>just strolled out of bed. But to assume that someone

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<v Speaker 1>does not have it, they obviously are pondering them or

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about making that purchase. So why are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>base off the way they look at least gonna discredit

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<v Speaker 1>or or take away for them thinking about making that purchase.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you know, when you're going those stores, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>go on those stories. You know you're going to that

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<v Speaker 1>store a while in in that places a thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>So when you go on that store, you're going that

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<v Speaker 1>store going if I buy this, I need to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure it's the right choice. Correct. And I went to

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<v Speaker 1>this department store or I went to the store and

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<v Speaker 1>the lady profile man and I literally got out of

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<v Speaker 1>the car, lifted the freezer in the in the trunk

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<v Speaker 1>and drove off and I stopped, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>got out the red line process and I got profile.

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<v Speaker 1>And how often that happens, right, Like I've I've been

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of times. I've been the stories and I get

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<v Speaker 1>followed around or I get asked to you much like

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<v Speaker 1>what you just described. I'm walking in the store and

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<v Speaker 1>I asked to see something and they said, oh, well

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't on sale. Well how do you could have

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<v Speaker 1>cash in my pocket? About the whole thing, I've done

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<v Speaker 1>that before, right, So to automatically say, well, as if

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<v Speaker 1>the microaggression is oh, you can't you can't afford, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't be able to afford. It was more than anything.

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<v Speaker 1>That is how she tried to flip it on me,

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<v Speaker 1>as if me, being a little bit apprehensive, was in

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong and she was asking me all the right questions.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't asking me all the right questions. Right, Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder I'm to get dressed to go up in there,

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<v Speaker 1>just like just just put on full suit. Can I

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<v Speaker 1>help you? Know? You cannot help me. I'm looking for

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<v Speaker 1>the I'm looking for the CBS c P A department.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's how you combat it self identifies something completely

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<v Speaker 1>different identify as a person who's getting everything in here

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<v Speaker 1>for free. That's how we come back profile. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do. I'm gonna walk around demanding discounts. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it'll work, all right. Who we got coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on the Cut to A podcast, We've got Ronaldo near Mayah,

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<v Speaker 1>former world record holder in track and field and the hurdles,

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<v Speaker 1>a wide receiver for the San Francisco Forts in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's currently a sports agent for athletics managers. Ronaldo

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<v Speaker 1>Nei A Mayah. On the Cut to It podcast, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>Go Here we Go. Near our first segment, Ronaldo is

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<v Speaker 1>called I really Hi, You don't understand how HiPE I

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<v Speaker 1>am to do this? Sit down? Right? So it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get out of stuff. It's our version of ice breakers.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, you know all about this, So I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna wait any longer me to go him and get

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<v Speaker 1>him the first question A right, They're gonna be questions.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an open book test. It is about you,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you fail, it is your fault. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 1>does success look like for you? So success to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it means that, uh, you know, when I'm walking uh

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<v Speaker 1>through the mall, and someone's whispers. That's Ronaldo and m I.

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<v Speaker 1>And the second thing they talked about it is that

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<v Speaker 1>I would say a good guy or a humble guy

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<v Speaker 1>more so than what I did on the field to play.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means that I feel that my mission was

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<v Speaker 1>accomplished because I said earlier, if that's all you're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>is what I did as an athlete, and I failed

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<v Speaker 1>to actually let people know who I really was, because

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<v Speaker 1>athletes is what I did. It wasn't who I was.

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<v Speaker 1>That if you knew today today was your last day

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<v Speaker 1>of your life, what would you spend it doing. I

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<v Speaker 1>would spend it with my immediate family and my daughter's wife,

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<v Speaker 1>as many of my immediate family, as files with my

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<v Speaker 1>brother and my sister everyone. I would be around everyone

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<v Speaker 1>that I love and that loves me. Mm hmm. I

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<v Speaker 1>like that. All right, Let's get to something a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit less serious. What's in your fridge right now? It's stopped.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got back from the Whole Foods a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of hours ago, so it's uh, lots of fruits and

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<v Speaker 1>berries and salads and uh fresh wild caught fish. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, I always want to ask this question, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you know it's fresh cut, fresh caught wild cat fish.

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<v Speaker 1>If if it's in the grocery store, I've been I've

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<v Speaker 1>been debating that with my wife. Sometimes that's just packaging

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, she's misorganic, and you know, I usually

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<v Speaker 1>just buy stuff, and she's like, is it wall caught?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, what does that mean? You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>they can say that, but you know, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been in a refrigerator freezer before I knew it, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know it. Just we're buying labels, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're I didn't sink or no puny times, We're just caught.

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<v Speaker 1>So I go in there and everything. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>I come home, my wife knows after this many years

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<v Speaker 1>that it's it's organic number one. And she didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>have asked me if it's wild caught, because I just

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<v Speaker 1>look at the sideways, like, yes, you know it is

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<v Speaker 1>because somebody, somebody caught it. Somebody. They now they have

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<v Speaker 1>like fish farms, yeah, fresh fresh farms and all these

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<v Speaker 1>other terms. Yeah, but it's it's it's it's literally just

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<v Speaker 1>like our our vegetables. They go up there and go

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<v Speaker 1>I called James, I'll call it. Let me throwing the

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<v Speaker 1>Ronaldo's refriger. Uh. Do you have any nicknames? Yes? I

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<v Speaker 1>had one up until I became a Niner. My nickname

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<v Speaker 1>was Skeets and uh s k e E T S. Skeets.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was a little kid, you know, the skeet

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<v Speaker 1>at the rifle ranges when they say pull. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>crawled really fast, so that my real name Skeetze within

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<v Speaker 1>the family. And then for years I was Ronaldo Skeets

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<v Speaker 1>near Maya, and they called me Skeets because it was

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<v Speaker 1>less formal than Ronaldo. And then I remember my first

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<v Speaker 1>day signing with the Niners, and two I decided I

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<v Speaker 1>was old enough to be called Ronaldo and get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of the kid name. And I've been Ronaldo ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>So unless you're close to my age or a fan,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't even know Skeets. My wife didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>who Skeets was. Don't. Yeah, we do. I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>So as a key, what was your favorite sports team

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<v Speaker 1>in any sport? Wow? I grew up a Jet fan

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Namath, and then I was a it's for weird,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was a Met fan with Tommy aig. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of weird combination. Usually you're you know, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not a Jet and a Met fan. You're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're met in a Giants fan or something. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was met in a Jet fan. I'm from New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>so okay, you know where are you from in a

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<v Speaker 1>place you call your hometown. I'm from a little parochial

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<v Speaker 1>town called scotch Plains, New Jersey, which is uh, probably

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<v Speaker 1>forty five minutes south of Manhattankay, Well, tell me the landmark.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me something that you would identify with north Plainfield,

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. Nork. Oh yeah, I'm just below Nork, about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes south of York. Alright, so growing up there, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>how did that? How did it shape your perspective on

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<v Speaker 1>the world today? Because you've been through a lot, You've

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<v Speaker 1>seen a lot, You've been through a lot. Um that places.

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<v Speaker 1>Has it started you? Yeah? It was? It was interesting, Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>I was the first black quarterback at my school. I

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<v Speaker 1>was the first black homecoming king at my school. The

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<v Speaker 1>town next to us was Clark and over the weekends,

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<v Speaker 1>our parents forbade us to go over there because there

0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:50.679
<v Speaker 1>was a cool because Klan activity on that way. Um,

0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.520
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, team sports kind of insulates you

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<v Speaker 1>from a lot of that because true then and true today.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as you winning, you know, they tolerate whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you might look like. And so I guess I was

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<v Speaker 1>privileged because I had an abundance of talent and was

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<v Speaker 1>doing things that brought attention to my team. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel it within my school. We had probably about people

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<v Speaker 1>in the school and maybe about two plus people of color.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, being in the one of the star athletes

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<v Speaker 1>in the school system, you know, you know how that goes.

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<v Speaker 1>I was insulated to some degree, but it was on

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<v Speaker 1>the periphery, so I knew it was around, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>here we are in you know it's still around. M Now,

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<v Speaker 1>do you go back, you know, to your hometown any

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<v Speaker 1>I see? Um, yes, and no, I haven't been back,

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<v Speaker 1>uh as far as regularly visiting. Both my parents are

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<v Speaker 1>deceased and my parents are buried in my in my

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<v Speaker 1>town Hillside Cemetery. I was just there a week ago

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<v Speaker 1>visiting as they put out the winter wreaths. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>the closest I really get to my hometown. I passed

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<v Speaker 1>through it on the way to New York, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on on occasion for different events. But most of my

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<v Speaker 1>family immediate families are no longer there summer in playing field,

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<v Speaker 1>but most of them moved out of the states, So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I have some friends obviously, and go back

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<v Speaker 1>from my high school reunions and all that. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only connection. Well, um, you know we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about you talk about your parents. Man, Um, you had

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<v Speaker 1>an Earth Sharing event at the age of fourteen. You

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<v Speaker 1>walk us through and tell us what happened. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're a kid and your mom. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom was sick, and I just thought she was sick.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really understand the implications and the severity of cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother suffer through both lung and breast cancer. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess the lung cancer first filtered into with her breast.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother used to smoke cools, and I remember used

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<v Speaker 1>to go into the store to buy here the cools,

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<v Speaker 1>not knowing the effects of it. And you know, watching witnessing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one mestech to me, then the second mistec

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<v Speaker 1>to me, and then she's bedridden. I was the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>of three, so I was the closest to her and

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<v Speaker 1>she My mom groom me years in advance, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was sick for about five plus years. And she told

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<v Speaker 1>me how to cook and so. And I was inquisitive

0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:31.640
<v Speaker 1>kid anyway, so I wanted to know all these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I was coming home from football practice one

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<v Speaker 1>day in ninth grade ninety three and going to the

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<v Speaker 1>local store that we used to go to just before

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<v Speaker 1>we got home, and some kids I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>came up to me and said, hey, skeeze, They said,

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<v Speaker 1>your mom is did And I remember that empty, instant

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that I had in my stomach, and I dropped.

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<v Speaker 1>I dropped the cupcakes and whatever I had in my hand.

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<v Speaker 1>And I lived about three blocks from the store, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just ran all the way home. I knew my

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<v Speaker 1>mom had was sick. And I get there and I

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<v Speaker 1>see all these different cars around our home, so I

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<v Speaker 1>knew something is up. And then when I come in,

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<v Speaker 1>I see family members. And then my father takes me

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<v Speaker 1>to my room and tells me what happened and that

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<v Speaker 1>my mother had passed. And my mom those last two years,

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<v Speaker 1>she we had a living nurse because she wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>be with her children, you know, all the way to

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<v Speaker 1>the end. And you know, as a youngster, twelve, thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>years old, fourteen years old, you're still thinking that you

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<v Speaker 1>know mom is going to be there. You don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>death at that point. And so that was my first

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<v Speaker 1>time experiencing it, and as the oldest, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it was numbed to the pain of the loss.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, for years used to tell my friends

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<v Speaker 1>when I see them speaking back to their moms, sa,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, you need to cherish your mom because you

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<v Speaker 1>don't ever want to feel the loss of a mom.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, you know, so I had to grow up

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly at fourteen. You know, my father was working

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<v Speaker 1>and then I was like a surrogate mom to my

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<v Speaker 1>brother who was a year and a half younger, and

0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:08.159
<v Speaker 1>my sister who was five years younger. And yeah, it

0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.080
<v Speaker 1>was tough. It was tough, and I grew up fast.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I had to be really mature my teen

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<v Speaker 1>years at that point. All the way to college. I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of skipped by them. As far as being a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a young adult. You know, through circumstances. We

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<v Speaker 1>have to take a break and morning anything. We gotta

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<v Speaker 1>pay some bills check. I love cut to it, and

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<v Speaker 1>wherever you listen to podcasts. I got all my answers questions. Um, yeah,

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 1>I got all my questions answered. That's what I'm here for,

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<v Speaker 1>a brother, cut to a podcast dot com. You played football,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously you ran a little bit of track. Track

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<v Speaker 1>became my real love, my first love with football, and

0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:26.720
<v Speaker 1>my father introduced me to it. Um, I loved football.

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I became I was. I became quarterback, uh, because we

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.200
<v Speaker 1>had an injury to a quarterback and I could quarterback.

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I was a wide receiver, but we needed a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why I played quarterback. Um. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>would have probably played in college had I graduated a

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<v Speaker 1>little bigger. And I was five nine, maybe five hundred

0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.080
<v Speaker 1>fifty five pounds, so can wet as a senior. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I had chosen Maryland, um, they were more of

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<v Speaker 1>a running team at that time, and so I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no need for me to go through trying to

0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 1>play football. But yeah, my first love has always been football.

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 1>My father was kind of surprised when I picked going

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<v Speaker 1>to college to run track over football. Um. But then

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<v Speaker 1>as I started, you know, ascending through the ranks internationally

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<v Speaker 1>and globally, um, my father and the rest of my

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<v Speaker 1>family all of a sudden learned the support a track.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on, hold on, No, you glossed over work globally internationally, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>break break that down, because you know we usually talked

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<v Speaker 1>about internationally globally, you know, Steph Michael Lebron. Yeah, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're traveling Germany and all these different places as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>as a yeah, as a teenager, you can't speak the language.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the food is horrible. Machine guns common this

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 1>country is they have machine guns Poland where you can't

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:08.560
<v Speaker 1>go out of your hotel without a passport, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very ominous. And uh, I'm sitting up there going

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<v Speaker 1>what I don't even understand these people. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what they're saying, I don't know what their food is.

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 1>I really just want to go home. I don't I

0:25:19.600 --> 0:25:22.359
<v Speaker 1>felt like one of the uh, what's the rocky one?

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>He says, I must break you and That's why I

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 1>felt those foreigners would be looking at us, you know,

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.480
<v Speaker 1>like they had this historic look. The Russians look one

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<v Speaker 1>way all the time, looking like they're looking through you,

0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 1>not at you. And uh, I'm like, okay, well, let's

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:39.760
<v Speaker 1>let's tie these up and get it, get it going.

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<v Speaker 1>But and it was tough being away from home time change,

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<v Speaker 1>understanding commands and their language. You know, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>practice hearing. Only thing. I knew it was two commands,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it was. The second one was set, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it was a gun on the third one, so

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really care what they said. I watched everybody

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<v Speaker 1>getting the blocks, and then I knew the next one

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<v Speaker 1>was set, and then I was waiting for the gun,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, you had to. So at these track

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 1>meets in different countries, you had to learn the different

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>commands in those different different languages. Every country you went to,

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<v Speaker 1>yes you did. And you go to someone and they say, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be this command and I'm like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what that. What are they saying? So well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the first one, it's always on your marks.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, okay, so I know everybody getting the marks.

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<v Speaker 1>And then once we're in our marks, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you settle down. I know the next one has to

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<v Speaker 1>be set so yeah, I raised up and then I

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:39.600
<v Speaker 1>just wait for the gun. You know. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>times I got tricked a little bit because they would

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<v Speaker 1>be saying, uh, stand up, stand up, you know, and

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking off, you know, like okay, that meant somebody

0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 1>wasn't ready or somebody was moving, so they're telling us

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<v Speaker 1>to stand up so we can do it again. But

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<v Speaker 1>I got it down after probably about three races or so.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was always in a different language, so I

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<v Speaker 1>never really tried to learn the language they tell us

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 1>in the in the pre race meeting the night before.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like, okay, I just listened to the cadence. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're running track at Maryland. When did it become

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<v Speaker 1>international for you? Take take us through that process because

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<v Speaker 1>there and the reason I said, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people who just don't know how big track and field

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<v Speaker 1>is and how much of the store. Yeah, when you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're in front of fifty thousand plus in Europe, you know,

0:27:30.680 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and I was like whoa. I mean, I was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>putting it bluntly. I was a rock star in Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and unknown in my own country. I was eighteen year

0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>old year old and ran against the Russian USA meet

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, my first time even in high school,

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<v Speaker 1>the international prep meet at in Champagne. Not Champagne, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was in Chicago and people from all around the world, Australia, everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was my first taste of running international competition,

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<v Speaker 1>even though it was on US soil um. And then

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:05.399
<v Speaker 1>when I ran the US versus U S s R

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 1>Meet against the Russians, I was just going into my

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<v Speaker 1>freshman year into my senior in high school. How does

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 1>track we You know you played, you played for the

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:21.080
<v Speaker 1>same Suri school for the Niners. You've lived, You've lived

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of life. When you go back and think

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:29.360
<v Speaker 1>about what you were doing at eighteen your country, represent

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>your country. And then and then you see what college

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>kids are doing in basketball and football, you would assume

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and think that, you know, being on that stage and

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>how how glorified highlight hoops on Instagram all that stuff.

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>But you're doing some things that you were doing this

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>before the Lebron became Lebron. Oh yeah, I mean, it's

0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 1>so it's so funny. I always tell people because you know,

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>all the people always want to know what you did

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>at what age. And I always tell everybody that don't

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:05.239
<v Speaker 1>follow my path because only God knows my path and

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:09.719
<v Speaker 1>bless me with my gift. Because uh, my high school,

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.320
<v Speaker 1>my ninth grades was in my junior high school, so

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I didn't go to high school until tenth grade. That

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>started high school. And in my tenth grade year, I

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>was at Hotshot Junior High kick coming to high school,

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and I got hurt during winter track running a shuttle

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>hurdle relay ripped the bone, the muscle right off the

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.680
<v Speaker 1>bone and my hamstring and I did not run again

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.600
<v Speaker 1>until spring of junior year. It wasn't until we got

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>found the Jets orthopedic surgeon who diagnosed my injury. So

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 1>from tenth grade until springtime junior year was the first

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>time I was able to run in high school and

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>the first time I ran in high school. That season,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I tied the state record and around thirteen six hur

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.680
<v Speaker 1>in the hurdles. And then my second year running in

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 1>high school, which is year yeah high hurdle, I broke

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>the national record and ran twelve nine coming off of

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 1>the major Yeah yeah, I was five five nine, But

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>but I did gymnastics and all that I mean, we

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 1>did cross training before it was officially acknowledged as cross training.

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>We did all these different sports. So gymnastics giving me

0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>core strength and flexibility. I could do a Russian split,

0:30:19.840 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>you know I had. I had a thirty five in

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>seeing thirty four and a half inch in seems. So

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>I was long legged, short short torso and so that

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.000
<v Speaker 1>was ideal for the hurdles and um, yeah, So I

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>had a year and a half in high school and

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<v Speaker 1>then a year and a half I ran thirteen six

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and twelve nine. So I broke the national record and

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>broke all these records. And so when I tell people,

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:43.520
<v Speaker 1>don't use my chronology because it doesn't make sense. You know,

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>I ran, check this out. I ran fifteen three in

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>ninth grade galloping three step hurdles. Then I got hurt,

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and then I ran thirteen six and twelve nine. So

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I always tell people that's God intervening in my life,

0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>saying you know, and knowing how badly I wanted it.

0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>And then my greatest gift, guys, And I tell people

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>this all the time. I had this uncanny ability to

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:13.479
<v Speaker 1>take words and put them into imagery. So my coaches

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 1>were always older than me, and they couldn't do what

0:31:15.240 --> 0:31:17.040
<v Speaker 1>they were asking me to do because they were older

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.400
<v Speaker 1>and they want the athlete that I was. But I

0:31:19.440 --> 0:31:23.120
<v Speaker 1>could take the words and turn them into visual images,

0:31:24.120 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>meditate on those in my head, and either right then,

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>within five minutes or the next day, replicate what they

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>said exactly, and I can make these adjustments. And they

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>used to tell me all the time, I don't know

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:39.560
<v Speaker 1>how you can do this, but I said, your words

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>are images to me. I see it. But I was.

0:31:42.200 --> 0:31:44.959
<v Speaker 1>I loved hurtling. I came alive with hurling. I could sprint,

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:48.480
<v Speaker 1>but hurling was it just it was a rush that

0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't explain going over something, you know, being imbalanced

0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 1>for a few hundreds of a second and still coming

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.000
<v Speaker 1>back down on the other side and continue to run

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>and pull away from people. That was man, How did

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>you get into hurley? Is it something that a coach

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>suggested to you? Is it something that you just saw emulated.

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>We had a split rail fence around our home. We

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>lived on a corner, and I was always running and

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 1>jumping over the fence, you know, running from my friends,

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 1>my brothers and everybody. And then one day in nineteen seventy,

0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I had the TV on and Rod Millburn was running

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>over the hurdles and it's the first time I saw

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>something that was similar to what I was doing, and

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>it was called the hurdles, and I was like, oh

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>my god, they actually have an event like this. I

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 1>can do this. And I was just engrossed in it

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and watched his brother just do his thing, and I said,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm gonna do. And then in ninth grade,

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 1>everybody was afraid to hurdle and I was the only

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:46.719
<v Speaker 1>one that stood up. I'll try it because I had

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>done it all the time, so it wasn't something that

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>was foreign to me. I didn't know how to do

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:54.640
<v Speaker 1>it in a actual track environment, but I knew I

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 1>ran and jumped all the time, so I said, I'll

0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>try that looks like what I do at home. Please

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<v Speaker 1>tell me and describe for us the difference between football

0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>speed and world class speed. Because you hear tore Hell

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>he's world class speed. He was going one miles per hour.

0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>But football speed and track speed, it's totally different. I feel.

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Track speed is that that speed where you get scared.

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.360
<v Speaker 1>You don't know who it is, so you just take

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>off and then when you turn around you realize you

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't hit a gear that you've never experienced before. It's

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>it's funny you say that to you, because I used

0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>to tell people when I used to race over hurdles.

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>I always told myself while racing, there's no a lot

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 1>that someone was coming to get me, coming to get me,

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and I run like a bat out of hell. I

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>was surprised myself. You know that I ran so hard,

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and but yeah, it's I don't mean to insult any

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 1>but but I'm so tired over talk. Let me sit back, saying,

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.560
<v Speaker 1>back in the chair, buckle up, Schmidt, whether it's r

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.120
<v Speaker 1>G three or whoever has world class speed. I said,

0:34:05.160 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you don't even know what world class speed is. You've

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>never even seen it. It would blow your mind if

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:16.160
<v Speaker 1>you saw world class speed. Football speed is functional speed.

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>You're you're quick for ten yards because you do ten

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 1>series of tenure bursts, but you can't sustain that that

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 1>top end speed for sixty seventy meters. And for instance,

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>So I list a couple of world class guys Willie Galt,

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:37.360
<v Speaker 1>James jett Ron Brown. I give Terry kill Uh, James Trapp,

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>James Jett James Jette. I'll even put an asterisk by

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Darryl Green during my day because Daryl could run. Yeah,

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>he can run rocket Ishmael remember him. Yeah, everybody else

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>is quick. But let me just let me just show

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you something. So for forty yards, right, for forty yards

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:05.680
<v Speaker 1>in my best day, forty yards, I ran, uh four

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>four forty over hurdles yards yards four four over obstacles,

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 1>over obstacles, come hurdles. And I wasn't even the fastest

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 1>guy out there. No though, are you fibbing to me, sir? No?

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Fourth over? So you tell them forty Are you telling

0:35:30.680 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>me that these dudes that go to combine, these young punks,

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:39.840
<v Speaker 1>these young well young whippers snappers, young, yes, and in shorts,

0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.440
<v Speaker 1>spend that in a T shirt and who clicks? Those

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:47.600
<v Speaker 1>guys are running flying down there, and you telling me

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>you a gallivanting Yes, sir, that's will go, will go

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>vouch for it. He was a victim of it right

0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 1>on his campus. Did you say a victim? Yes, you

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 1>put that smoke dog. Yes. Hey, remember two years ago

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>at the super Bowl when U boat ran boat ran

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>forty right basically in the street clothes with some flats

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 1>on and he ran four to some flippity flops. Yeah,

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:24.280
<v Speaker 1>he's just standing there with jeans on to some Jesus sandals,

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:28.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, Christian Coleman. These guys can run three eight

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>b three eight three eight. They can fly. So when

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I tell people, if you want to really see world

0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>class speak, come to attract me and watch these brothers

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.440
<v Speaker 1>and sisters coming by you. They're picking them up and

0:36:42.440 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>putting them down. The difference is that track guys know

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 1>how to run. Football guys look like they're running fast

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:51.760
<v Speaker 1>because they've got so much energy going all over the place,

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 1>so much force wasted, wasted, movement wasted. I remember, this

0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>is no lie. I'm not saying. Nothing you're saying is

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot. I just like Joe Montana and Bill Walsh

0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:08.320
<v Speaker 1>had me run five to six yards farther almost every

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 1>route because Joe said it always looked like I wasn't

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.320
<v Speaker 1>running and when he throw the ball, I was gone.

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 1>And I said, that's because I know how to run,

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and when you know how to run, its effortless. He

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>was used to seeing all that armed motion and herky

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>jerky stuff, and he just thought you were running fast.

0:37:26.400 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>And he's a skeeter. They called me Skeeter hes and

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>it looked like you just striding. And I throw the

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.200
<v Speaker 1>ball and it's like four yards behind you, and I go,

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:37.359
<v Speaker 1>you gotta throw it sooner. Man, You can't wait till

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>I get past somebody. I'm gonna get past them. If

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you wait, you can't reach me. You were out running

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Joe Montana's past. Oh yeah, So my ten to twelve

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 1>yard outs had to be fourteen and fifteen at my

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:53.520
<v Speaker 1>eighteen to twenty yard digs had to be twenty four yards. Hey, Cadillac,

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:59.399
<v Speaker 1>are you Cadillac turning it though? Because when you get going,

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.879
<v Speaker 1>so I ran. Try when you get going, it's gone.

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>You can't stop. You can't be pit a pattern. And

0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Mr drummer boy, you gotta gotta lack turn, Yeah you do.

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.359
<v Speaker 1>Because they called me noodles because I remember my first year,

0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I'd be running so fast, I like blow a tire

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.360
<v Speaker 1>out and fall, you know, and football you gotta have

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:19.839
<v Speaker 1>a wider base, right, And I like, ruh, we don't

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 1>run like that. We don't run white leg. We run vertically.

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>And he says, yeah, but you never you can't turn

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>like that because you're running too fast. You're that skateboard,

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>hit that rock, hit that rock. So I had to

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>learn how to run wider to be able to, you know,

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to control that speed, because if I use my speed,

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>it was too much. You know, I just couldn't come

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>out of your break. You can't come out of your

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>breaking in. That's how, that's how the corner he closes

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>on you. But because you have to and when you're

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 1>running that fast, you have to have wasted movement to

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>be able to slow down. Because if you don't slow

0:38:57.239 --> 0:39:00.880
<v Speaker 1>down and don't have that wasted movement, you know who's right,

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>You know who makes you slow down? It's three syllables,

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 1>A C, we'll make you slow down. They take you

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>out the game on a car. You can't put that

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of force on a cut. It's gone. You're leaving

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.279
<v Speaker 1>on the ground. So it was so I had to. Yeah,

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>I had to slow down so much before I could

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.719
<v Speaker 1>ever do that, which was frustrating because I'm so used

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>to just taken off and you've got too much power.

0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:33.080
<v Speaker 1>You can't do that, you blow out everything. I think

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>it's about that time, just so we'll take a little breathing.

0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Good do good, let's getting down to do it. Good. Hey, Gerard,

0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:45.960
<v Speaker 1>why did you get that T shirt? You mean, oh, yes,

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:48.279
<v Speaker 1>I got it from cut to a podcast dot com

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.439
<v Speaker 1>where we have exclusive merchandise. Shout out to our guys

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.279
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0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>buy you a T shirt, subscribe to us wherever you

0:39:55.960 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>listen to podcasts. Many athletes missed the operat tunity to

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 1>participate in Olympics this year. You've seen you had the

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>opportunity in nineteen eighty Olympics in Moscow, you missed it.

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Take us through that process and then I follow up

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>after that, because I think it's extremely interesting. The Olympics

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>are only every four years, and now now discovering they

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 1>are eighteen to you know, twenty one or something events

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.720
<v Speaker 1>opportunities for track and field that I didn't know about.

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:32.440
<v Speaker 1>So I was just kind of thinking that I being ignorant,

0:40:32.440 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 1>which is lack of knowledge. I didn't know that they

0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.319
<v Speaker 1>had the opportunity other than what I've seen on the

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Diamond Club, you know, watching that on television. I didn't

0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>really know that it was so many more opportunities, and

0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>no matter what level it is to run track, I

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 1>just all assume I assume that they just they just

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>practiced four years. They just they just actressive for this

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 1>whole time. Yeah. No, um So, first of all, I

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you knew this track and field has

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 1>been professional since nineteen eighties. Are It's been the worst

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 1>best known secret in the world. I remember before I

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.600
<v Speaker 1>came to the Niners, I was at the Superstars and

0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Dwight Clark was there. There was a year of the

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Catch and Chris Collinsworth was there that they're the ones

0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 1>who had a conversation with me about playing football, And

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I remember Chris collins Worth said to me, man, you

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:22.879
<v Speaker 1>seem like a bright guy. You've got a lot of talent.

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Why are you wasting your time running track? You're not

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>making any money. So I said, arrogantly, I said, Chris,

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:32.400
<v Speaker 1>how much money do you make playing football? He was

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>making sixty thousand a year, and I said, I make

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 1>more than you, and he goes, what I go, I

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>make more than you. My My Puma contract was a

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.120
<v Speaker 1>k back then, and he's just looking at me. I said,

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not as dumb as I look. I said, I

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:49.319
<v Speaker 1>don't just run around as old for nothing. I do.

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I have sponsors, I get paid. And he's like, what

0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.440
<v Speaker 1>I said, yeah, I said, but everybody thinks we're a

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 1>one in four year kind of sport. I said, no,

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm running all around the world, you know, I got

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 1>all these and he's like, wow, I didn't know that.

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:07.800
<v Speaker 1>So since sport has been been uh professional, and guys

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and some girls have maken seven figures since that time.

0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Not everybody only top, you know, but at least it

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:19.359
<v Speaker 1>was it started to afford itself an avenue comes. Man,

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm pissed because they're talking about this boycott and I've

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 1>been busting my hump and my only chance for you know,

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Wheat's boxes and Sports Illustrated covers and potential sponsorship revenue

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 1>is going to be in Olympic games. And now Jimmy

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Carter is threatening the boycott. So I'm training because hoping

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 1>that we'll still go. You gotta go to Olympic trials

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>because if they don't boycott and you don't go to

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Olympic trials, you're not on the team no matter what.

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.960
<v Speaker 1>So I'm training in Vain. And why is the Olympic

0:42:51.040 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>trials important? Because if they lift the boycott and you

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 1>don't go to Olympic trials, you're not on the team.

0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 1>The Olympic Trials to take the top three. So I'm

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:06.440
<v Speaker 1>thinking to myself, just like you're saying, why are we

0:43:06.440 --> 0:43:09.439
<v Speaker 1>having Olympic trials if we're boycotting. So in the back

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.800
<v Speaker 1>of my mind, I'm thinking, well, maybe we're having the

0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 1>trials in case the boycott is lifted in time to

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:16.799
<v Speaker 1>go that we have field of the team. So I said, okay,

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be ready on top of that at insulted injury.

0:43:21.400 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Remember the miracle on ice, Yes, there only and these

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 1>guys that happened the winter of nineteen. So I'm sitting

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.240
<v Speaker 1>after going they let the l winter Olympians go, maybe

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:38.879
<v Speaker 1>we're don't get to go. They don't let us go. Well, well,

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>what do most winter Olympians look like? Hm? And what

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 1>the most summer Olympians stuff? That's all. That's all I

0:43:48.680 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 1>was thinking about it. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, this

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:53.719
<v Speaker 1>ain't even right. I know, the sun ain't shining out

0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>brightly in the wintertime, but got dog, this is blatant.

0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.799
<v Speaker 1>You let them go, but don't let us go. So

0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>now I'm just I'm just distraught. I want, you know,

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:04.880
<v Speaker 1>I want nothing else to do. And then I already

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:07.280
<v Speaker 1>know that the Soviet block in the Eastern Bloc countries

0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:11.239
<v Speaker 1>was talking about retaliating in when the Olympic Games have

0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>been awarded to Los Angeles. So here I am thinking,

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I dug it. I might be training another four years

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>for nothing if there's another boycott. So I'm like, I

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.840
<v Speaker 1>can't you know, I gotta do something. So I always

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:28.800
<v Speaker 1>tell everybody the forty Niners saved my athlete of career

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 1>at that point because in track was not pro the

0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:36.319
<v Speaker 1>money that I was earning I had to have in

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>a trust fund. That was the other obstacle I had

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:40.759
<v Speaker 1>to go through. So all I have money I talked

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 1>about with Puma and all that it had to be

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:44.920
<v Speaker 1>put in the trust fund I had. I had to

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>have my bank trustee okay, receipts, whether it was my

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.640
<v Speaker 1>apartment bills or whatever, it was, card notes, whatever, to

0:44:52.719 --> 0:44:54.920
<v Speaker 1>advance me the money to pay those. I couldn't just

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:58.600
<v Speaker 1>take the hunt in tars. So that was being regulated

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 1>monitored um. And so when the Niners came about, and

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>then Bill Walsh being a fan track fan, knowing that

0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>if I signed a pro football contract based on the rules,

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna ban me from track. So Bill Walsh did

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 1>me a favor by guaranteeing me my entire contract. That

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 1>way he said, and he said it bunt me. He says, listen,

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I want you to do well, but if in case

0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't work out here, you'll have some time to

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>get on your feet and find a job. And so

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I appreciated him respecting what I was giving up to

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 1>play the game in case it didn't work out, and

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:39.080
<v Speaker 1>so he guaranteed my entire contract. And so that's that

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>saved my athletic career at that time because I had

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:45.879
<v Speaker 1>just graduated the University of Maryland, and what was most

0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:50.480
<v Speaker 1>college graduates want a job. I wasn't trying to retire.

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:54.279
<v Speaker 1>I was only years old at the time, but you know,

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:56.120
<v Speaker 1>there was no real future ahead of me and track

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>and feel professionally at that time as I knew it.

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 1>So now I had a asked to play professional football.

0:46:01.480 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Remember I grew up playing football. I love football. I said, okay,

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I can still be an athlete now and still, you know,

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:14.920
<v Speaker 1>do what I want to do. And so the minute

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>I signed, they banned me from track and field, and

0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>those assholes within a year decided to make the pro

0:46:22.360 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 1>sport the pro the sport Pro and then then they

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:27.160
<v Speaker 1>blocked me out and I had to go to court

0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 1>for four years fighting them in court to get my reinstatement.

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.440
<v Speaker 1>That was the delay, and you getting back into your

0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 1>career wasn't necessarily the football. It was the fact that

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 1>they blocked you from participating. Yeah, because I trained every

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 1>off season. I was ready to go back, and you know,

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:49.919
<v Speaker 1>the summer of eighty two, like in the off season,

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 1>I was going to run if I could, and uh,

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't because I was banned at that time.

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 1>So it was when the at that time, the IF

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.279
<v Speaker 1>International Athletic associated and came to me and said, if

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>you drop your lawsuit, we'll let you back in. And

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's that simple. Then it cost me

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.439
<v Speaker 1>several hundred thousands of dollars all this time, and all

0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:12.319
<v Speaker 1>you want me to do is dropped the lawsuit. Well,

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:13.759
<v Speaker 1>they wanted me to drop it because now it was

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:17.399
<v Speaker 1>costing them money and the money I was making from

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 1>the Niners was helping me fund the lawsuit. So you

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 1>played with the Niners and then you returned back to track.

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 1>How was that transition in terms of preparing your body,

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>taking a different type of um wear and tear on

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 1>your body. How was that transition going back to trek.

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.839
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a good transition because I had to gain

0:47:38.880 --> 0:47:42.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty two pounds to play with the Niners. Remember Steve

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:46.560
<v Speaker 1>knows this. The Niners were possession passing team when hours

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 1>with them, so everything was ten and twelve yards. You know.

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I was the experiment as far as the long ball,

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and I came into the Niners. I wait, a hundred

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.399
<v Speaker 1>sixty nine pounds, so can wet And Bill Wall said,

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:01.279
<v Speaker 1>you can't play less than a five pounds what? So

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:03.759
<v Speaker 1>I had to get out of shape to gain that

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:08.840
<v Speaker 1>weight because you know, Steve, pounds and pads and camp

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and all that, you're not gonna keep any weight on.

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:14.040
<v Speaker 1>So I had to be what a nutrition is weekly,

0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:17.880
<v Speaker 1>looking at my my weight, my diet, eating all this crap.

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>And you know, I got up to four but I

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>lost a lot of my innate quickness. Most people didn't

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:30.080
<v Speaker 1>see it, but I knew it um and yeah, it

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 1>reshaped my body. And then my first race back in

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>six in via Reggio, Italy, I ruptured my achilles tendon

0:48:39.880 --> 0:48:42.239
<v Speaker 1>because I had too much weight running. You know, all

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 1>that force on the back of the heel and like

0:48:45.280 --> 0:48:47.239
<v Speaker 1>the six or seven. Now I wonder to raise believe this,

0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I ran and I wanted to raise. I limped across

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the line and I didn't run again. That was it

0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 1>one and done. And I had all this money, twenty

0:48:56.600 --> 0:49:00.640
<v Speaker 1>plus thousand dollars a race waiting for me, and I couldn't.

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:05.719
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't collect past one race. I was sick. When

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>you were running, it was still considered a very isolated

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 1>sport for the individual running. How did you cope with

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:21.080
<v Speaker 1>performing good and bad m and then only really having

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:25.200
<v Speaker 1>to go back to your room and it was just you? Like,

0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:30.839
<v Speaker 1>how did you process that alone time? The disappointment that individualized? Yeah,

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the highs and lows? Like, I guess, how was your

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:40.839
<v Speaker 1>mental health in the top, in the performance, good or bad,

0:49:41.080 --> 0:49:44.879
<v Speaker 1>of each event, being across the world by yourself, from

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>your family, from your wife, from your friends, from you know,

0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:53.680
<v Speaker 1>just it's just you, right, So this made me chuckling out,

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>got ready to say that I'm gonna say it anyway,

0:49:55.920 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>the line, I don't mean the brag, I don't mean

0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the boast. I didn't lose that much, you know that

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:04.839
<v Speaker 1>often maybe three or four times total. So, but my

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:10.359
<v Speaker 1>training at home, I trained to break world records. So

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I was. I was breaking world records in practice, and

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I did it enough times. We were I was trained

0:50:18.000 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 1>in condition. I was like a robot. I guess the

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:22.480
<v Speaker 1>training condition, and all I had to do was run practice,

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:26.120
<v Speaker 1>and I was okay, meaning that if I could run

0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:30.000
<v Speaker 1>thirteen flout of better in practice, and at that time,

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:31.839
<v Speaker 1>no one in the world could run that. But me

0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 1>then named too many people going to be at the

0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 1>finish line at that time but me, so short of

0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:41.600
<v Speaker 1>me making a mistake, the closest they would be to me,

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 1>probably the first three hurdles, four hurdles, and then I

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.400
<v Speaker 1>would start to separate myself. The times that I did lose,

0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.719
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't so much that someone was better than me,

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:51.960
<v Speaker 1>is that I was cocky enough that I wasn't training

0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 1>and I was doing a Dwayne Haskins back in that day,

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 1>relatively speaking, not not clubs, hooking up with the college girls,

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, having fun and just thinking I'm okay. And

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 1>then I get there and some you know, Greg Fosters

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 1>on his A game, and then I make a mistake

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and then Greg, you know, beast me off the last

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:15.360
<v Speaker 1>two hurdles. Um, so what I would do. When I

0:51:15.400 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>did lose, it wasn't a very comfortable time. I wasn't

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 1>fun to be around. I wouldn't I wouldn't out at

0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.360
<v Speaker 1>the club that night. I wouldn't hanging out with the guy.

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 1>I would be pissed. I mean pissed. I took it personally,

0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:31.520
<v Speaker 1>and I couldn't wait to get back on the track

0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 1>to correct the error. So I get on the phone.

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.279
<v Speaker 1>I called my coach, because you know, we didn't bring

0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:38.440
<v Speaker 1>coaches over. You know, they sent us on our way

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 1>and you had to do it yourself. And I called

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:42.880
<v Speaker 1>my coach and I talked to him. And one of

0:51:42.920 --> 0:51:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the things that that I was trained to do was

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:49.759
<v Speaker 1>I had to be aware of what I was doing

0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.680
<v Speaker 1>over every hurdle, because my coach would always ask me

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:56.759
<v Speaker 1>when a mistake happened, where did it happen, And if

0:51:56.760 --> 0:51:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I was not in touch with what I was doing,

0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.240
<v Speaker 1>he always said that then you can't make a correction

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 1>at some point in the race if you're oblivious to

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:06.279
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. Yes, you gotta run fast, but you've

0:52:06.280 --> 0:52:08.359
<v Speaker 1>gotta be aware of what's happening so that you can

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>make the adjustment when it happens, you know, So well,

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:14.959
<v Speaker 1>I'd run a race and my coaches see it and eagle,

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 1>So tell me what happened over number three or number five,

0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and I better know what you know what happened, Otherwise

0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna say you don't even know what you're doing.

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>You're just out there running. You have to have complete

0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>control of the race. You make a mistake over the

0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:32.600
<v Speaker 1>second hurdle, when can you correct it the fourth hurdle?

0:52:32.719 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 1>Why third hurdles too fast? It's a second or less.

0:52:35.920 --> 0:52:37.799
<v Speaker 1>You can't. We can't respond that quickly. You can only

0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:41.560
<v Speaker 1>respond by the two hurdles later. So we learned how

0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:44.000
<v Speaker 1>to make those adjustments so that because most people, if

0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>they make a mistake, they try to make an adjustment

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 1>right now, and then they make another mistake. So we

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.440
<v Speaker 1>we learned, Okay, that was a mistake. Okay, get to

0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:55.080
<v Speaker 1>the hurdle. Now corrected. So he wanted me conscious and

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:57.400
<v Speaker 1>cognizant of what I was doing at all time. So

0:52:57.440 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I go back, I get on the phone to him,

0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 1>and I could tell him exactly what happened. If if

0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:06.000
<v Speaker 1>someone if it was on ABC Wild with the Sports,

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:08.439
<v Speaker 1>he'd wait till it came on that weekend and he'd

0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:11.040
<v Speaker 1>match it up to what I was saying, and then,

0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, we try to make that correction. But most

0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:17.800
<v Speaker 1>of the time, Steve, it was because of my own arrogance.

0:53:18.320 --> 0:53:21.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, I just thought I get to show up

0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:23.719
<v Speaker 1>and these guys are gonna fold like a tent. And

0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 1>then every now and then some guy would run really well,

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and then I'd make an untimely mistake. Whatnot. They could

0:53:30.000 --> 0:53:32.360
<v Speaker 1>beat me, but they beat me on that day, Ronaldo.

0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:35.200
<v Speaker 1>The last segment we have is called the Deep three,

0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.879
<v Speaker 1>and it's three questions to go beyond who you were

0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 1>as a track star, beyond who you were on the

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 1>track or even on the football field. So Smitty and

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>give him the first question of Deep three. With all

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the wonderful things that you've been able to do, travel

0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:53.280
<v Speaker 1>all all around the world, um now being an agent

0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:57.520
<v Speaker 1>to some of the world's best track athletes, men and women,

0:53:58.040 --> 0:54:02.879
<v Speaker 1>having a wonderful wife and and and your girls, one

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:06.359
<v Speaker 1>of them being a surgeon. Are there any regrets that

0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:09.000
<v Speaker 1>you have that when you look back on your life.

0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I have yes, Yes, in all honesty, I have one

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:22.080
<v Speaker 1>regret is that I never had a chance two really

0:54:22.200 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 1>see what my full potential could have been in the

0:54:24.800 --> 0:54:28.760
<v Speaker 1>hurdle race. And I only say that because I'm reminded constantly,

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, with the world record today being broken and

0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>before all the advanced technology that you know, the lighter hurdles,

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:39.839
<v Speaker 1>the faster tracks that I didn't have to run on.

0:54:41.000 --> 0:54:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Had things been different, the world could have gotten to

0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:47.879
<v Speaker 1>see what I really could have done in that hurdle race.

0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:52.879
<v Speaker 1>Because I ran twelve ninety three. You know, as a

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:55.360
<v Speaker 1>as a twenty two year old, I never even the

0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.080
<v Speaker 1>world never saw me in my prime, and I just

0:54:58.200 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 1>wished that, you know, if there weren't for boycotts and

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 1>other things, the world, you know, I could even I

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:09.840
<v Speaker 1>could have really challenged to see what I could have done.

0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I honestly believe and most people agree with me that

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.320
<v Speaker 1>I probably would have run twelve seven something based on

0:55:15.880 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 1>all the things that are out there. But yeah, so

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:23.360
<v Speaker 1>that's my only regret. It's not something that you know,

0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:26.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't change time, but the circumstances of the time,

0:55:27.040 --> 0:55:28.919
<v Speaker 1>I would still do the same thing. I would still

0:55:29.200 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 1>go on to play pro football because they gave me

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.160
<v Speaker 1>a chance to continue to be a professional athlete and

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.560
<v Speaker 1>get paid as opposed to not getting paid. But I think,

0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:40.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, I had to sport turn pro. You know,

0:55:41.000 --> 0:55:43.959
<v Speaker 1>two years before I went to the Niners, I would

0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.719
<v Speaker 1>have never played professional football. But I don't regret that

0:55:46.800 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>because I have a Super Bowl ring, I caught touchdown

0:55:49.640 --> 0:55:54.200
<v Speaker 1>passes from Joe Montana, I had some great lifelong friends

0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:58.920
<v Speaker 1>from the Fort and so and so. It's it's it's

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a part of me that I'm I'm proud of. However,

0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.719
<v Speaker 1>however long or short, some might you know see it.

0:56:06.320 --> 0:56:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Are there any milestones personally or professionally that are stealing

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 1>your bucket list to achieve milestones? M no, And I'll

0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 1>say this, you know, for the record, for the second

0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:25.200
<v Speaker 1>time to outside of my family. I went to the

0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:29.200
<v Speaker 1>University of Maryland because they offered me an athletic scholarship,

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and my ninth grade track coach said, you know, if

0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 1>you train hard enough, you might get it, or an

0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:40.480
<v Speaker 1>athletic scholarship to go to college. All that was important

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 1>to me at that time was trying to make my

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:46.400
<v Speaker 1>parents proud by going to school to get an education.

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.839
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that track was even a pro sport

0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:51.880
<v Speaker 1>because it wasn't at the time, or whatever, be your

0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 1>pro sport, and I wasn't pursuing professional football. You know,

0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:00.200
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have aspirations at that time. I love book ball,

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:05.799
<v Speaker 1>but I never saw myself that way. So um no,

0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the I'm grateful that the ninth grade math he just

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:13.600
<v Speaker 1>saw something in me before I did. That sparked whatever

0:57:13.719 --> 0:57:15.919
<v Speaker 1>was inside of me too to be able to tell

0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>the story today. I've heard this. Well now you don't know,

0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:23.080
<v Speaker 1>but here on cut to it. I talked about, you know,

0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I've started running and I've experienced a lot of treadmill

0:57:28.920 --> 0:57:32.560
<v Speaker 1>and this treadmill it's taught me a lot about life,

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:38.480
<v Speaker 1>more than I've realized. And on one of these one

0:57:38.520 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of the have a Peloton treadmill. So the guys talk

0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and one of my Peloton bike man. So I was

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:48.320
<v Speaker 1>running and the guy said and training. He said, you're

0:57:48.360 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 1>gonna hit mountains. He said this, which I've never heard,

0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:57.400
<v Speaker 1>and I've been holding onto it tross. Okay, so you've

0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:01.600
<v Speaker 1>been to the mountain town. But what has been some

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:08.320
<v Speaker 1>troughs that you've hit that none of the mountaintop experiences

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.240
<v Speaker 1>has been able to teach you the way that the

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:20.720
<v Speaker 1>truth experience has. The trough was that I learned when

0:58:20.760 --> 0:58:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I in my my second marriage, which was when I

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:30.000
<v Speaker 1>was coming back and I wasn't number one in the

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.560
<v Speaker 1>world anymore. You know, I got up to number two,

0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:35.920
<v Speaker 1>but I wasn't number one. And one of my greatest

0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:42.000
<v Speaker 1>fears slash insecurities, was what people still like me if

0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't winning. And I remember my wife said, I

0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:52.000
<v Speaker 1>will still love you, m and so that took away

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that troth that you're speaking of, where it took away everything.

0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:58.600
<v Speaker 1>It was those simple things that from the mouth of

0:58:58.680 --> 0:59:02.760
<v Speaker 1>someone who really didn't even know the professional athletic world.

0:59:03.720 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>All that mattered to her is that, you know, she

0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:10.040
<v Speaker 1>would still love me. And I wasn't gonna die if

0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't win a race, and I would still beloved.

0:59:13.400 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 1>And I held onto that, you know, because that meant

0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:21.600
<v Speaker 1>more to me than anything at that particular time, you know,

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:24.600
<v Speaker 1>not getting ahead of myself thinking I was, you know,

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the great Ronaldo and the m I or world record holder.

0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:29.400
<v Speaker 1>It didn't matter at that point. It meant that when

0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I came home, my peace of mind was that I

0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:37.960
<v Speaker 1>was in a loving environment. And that's all that ever

0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:42.280
<v Speaker 1>mattered to me, because um Steve, I never I never

0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:47.400
<v Speaker 1>had to watch TV or even read papers about what

0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:51.560
<v Speaker 1>I did because I lived it, and so when people

0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:53.280
<v Speaker 1>were talking about did you see this, you see that,

0:59:53.320 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 1>I'd say no, and you didn't see what they wrote

0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 1>It was a great article, and I said it didn't

0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:01.200
<v Speaker 1>get it, could never get better better than being there

1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:04.960
<v Speaker 1>when it happened, And they're like what I said. I

1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:08.760
<v Speaker 1>lived every second of it. I was in it. And

1:00:08.840 --> 1:00:12.440
<v Speaker 1>so when the race was over and the euphoria died down,

1:00:12.920 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get back to normal as quickly as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>As much as I understood my feet were gout garnering attention.

1:00:21.760 --> 1:00:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I was most comfortable with regular folk, my friends. I

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<v Speaker 1>have friends that are, you know, former professional athlete, but

1:00:28.280 --> 1:00:32.920
<v Speaker 1>my key nucleus of friends just regular folk, regular job people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because they kept me grounded. They weren't me,

1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:40.440
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't think I was anything special. Yes I

1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:44.320
<v Speaker 1>did something on a Friday, Saturday or Sunday, but I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't any better than any of them. So they helped

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<v Speaker 1>keep me grounded and kept me, keep me in touch

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<v Speaker 1>with reality, what the world was. And so my few

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<v Speaker 1>seconds of fame, that's all they were to me. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I lived it. I benefited from them, but bro I

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<v Speaker 1>just always wanted to keep my feet on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody didn't have that experience, and so I never

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to elevate myself like I was above them or

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<v Speaker 1>better than them. You know, I was one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like, you know, your boys, they were

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<v Speaker 1>my boys and they're always gonna be my boys. And

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't matter that I happened to be a world

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<v Speaker 1>record holder or forty niner at the time, I was

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<v Speaker 1>still skeeets to them. And uh so That's that's something

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<v Speaker 1>I've always held onto. It's like, and I get embarrassed

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<v Speaker 1>when people start propping me up that you did this

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<v Speaker 1>and you did that, because I don't like people talking

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<v Speaker 1>about me for an extended period of time. I have

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<v Speaker 1>friends with me and they're not saying anything to them,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh man, I feel for them because

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's acting like they're invisible. So I you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was pushed the conversation away and talk about something else

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<v Speaker 1>because I already lived it. You know, I don't need

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't need the extra attention anymore. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thankful what I did. I'm blessed by what I've done.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that I left my mark on many people,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much the game itself, but how I played it,

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<v Speaker 1>and and now all I'm trying to do right now

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<v Speaker 1>is is paid forward. Have needs kids to understand that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you've been giving a lot today and make it,

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<v Speaker 1>make it count because when it's over, there's no reduce. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not always and the privilege. Likewise, my friend, it's

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<v Speaker 1>an honor. Brother. You are a unique person. You are

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<v Speaker 1>well worth it, you are competent and most of all

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<v Speaker 1>your lovable. I'm Steve Smith Singior, I'm Gerard Little John

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