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Speaker 1: And welcome to Monday's edition, a big blue kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot Com. He's pulled a tino um

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Speaker 1: lance meado O t a number one in the books,

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Speaker 1: Pat Shermer's book to the media a short while ago.

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Speaker 1: We'll recap some of the highlights from practice. We'll go

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Speaker 1: over with Pat Shermer had to same, we'll get to

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Speaker 1: your phone calls to zero three is the telephone number.

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Speaker 1: Hashtag giants chat on Twitter. So Pat Shermer addressed the

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Speaker 1: media after practice and he said that Odell Beckham right now.

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Speaker 1: They're taking it slow Paul, which is understandable because they

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Speaker 1: want him to get fully healthy and they're not looking

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Speaker 1: for him to reaggravate anything. We saw him work out,

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Speaker 1: took part in some individual drills and look to be

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Speaker 1: moving okay from what we've seen. Yeah, he did about

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes at the start of the session, which involved

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Speaker 1: all the stretching and the calisthenics and the warming up staff,

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Speaker 1: and then he did the individual drills where the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: are just throwing to the receivers one on one without

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Speaker 1: having any defensive necessarily impedence involved. And I'll be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, he was fluid, He looked excite it, he

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Speaker 1: looked energetic, he looked smooth. He did some cutting, did

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Speaker 1: did some you know, horizontal movement, and you know what,

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Speaker 1: that's another step in the right direction for him, because,

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Speaker 1: as you may remember, Lance, the last time he was here,

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Speaker 1: when they had the voluntary minicamp, he was not allowed

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Speaker 1: to cut. He was on the backfields with the trainers,

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Speaker 1: just doing some straight sprints doing you know, a few calisthenics,

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Speaker 1: blimbering up, but nothing to the degree where he would

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Speaker 1: actually run any routes or do any type of change

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Speaker 1: of direction stuff that we saw this morning. And that's

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Speaker 1: a good sign at sign a progression and a step

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. As they tried a near training

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Speaker 1: camp to maybe get him on the field with the

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Speaker 1: pants on, and then they held him out for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the prey. They get into team oriented to

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Speaker 1: first total cleared. With respect to the offensive line, Pat

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Speaker 1: Shermer spoke about Nate Solder and what he's brought to

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Speaker 1: the team and also the fact that you know, he

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Speaker 1: and Eric Flowers as they were walking off the field

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Speaker 1: from practice, there was a lot of interaction between the

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Speaker 1: two and I know a lot of people were anticipating

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Speaker 1: when Flowers shows up, you know, how would he look

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Speaker 1: at his perhaps battle at the right tackle position, and

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Speaker 1: the two of them seemed to be chatting it up

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Speaker 1: both on and off the field. Well, I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any question that one of the things that Giants

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Speaker 1: tried to do is I make sure I don't knock

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Speaker 1: off that bottle of water from the table prior one um.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Soldier was brought here to

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Speaker 1: do in addition to be the stalwart at left tackle,

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Speaker 1: was to also bring some of that Patriots professionalism, if

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Speaker 1: you will, into the offensive line room, because he's been there,

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Speaker 1: He's done it at a very high level out of

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Speaker 1: a program that we all respect as far as NFL

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Speaker 1: people are concerned, and so you know, if he can

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Speaker 1: kind of be a big brother, if you will. You know,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, Bobby Hart was Eric Flower's best friend

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Speaker 1: on the team and in that room. If Nate Soldier

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Speaker 1: is going to take it upon himself, whether or not

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Speaker 1: he was instructed to do so, to try to show

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Speaker 1: Eric Flowers the guiding light that can only be a

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Speaker 1: positive for the Giants, and if Flowers is going to

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Speaker 1: be receptive to it, and not only be a better

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Speaker 1: the locker room and help out some chemistry with that

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Speaker 1: offensive line. The Giants can only appreciate what that might

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Speaker 1: bring to the table. As far as the rest of

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Speaker 1: first team at left guard Patrick o'mamay as well, And

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Speaker 1: this is no surprise, Paul. They're gonna mix and match

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Speaker 1: players until they get to the point where they feel

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Speaker 1: they have found the best five in the ideal combination. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we saw a little bit of feistiness out of Hernandez

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Speaker 1: just a moment there, but nothing uh nothing you know,

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Speaker 1: later on today, but Pat Shermer was asked about Elie Apple,

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Speaker 1: and once again what Shermer emphasized is clean slate for everyone,

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Speaker 1: and he said that when he addressed the team, he

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Speaker 1: made that clear eli Apple included, and he said Eli

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Speaker 1: Apple has been here every single day. He has been

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Speaker 1: seeing any of that in terms of how Eli Apple

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Speaker 1: has conducted his business. No, And in fact, Eli Apple

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Speaker 1: will be addressing the media with a short media briefing momentarily, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what can you say? He's been out there doing everything

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Speaker 1: they've asked him to do, and quite frankly, much like

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Speaker 1: last off season, he's looked pretty good from what you

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Speaker 1: could tell. He seems confident, assertive. He has the skill set.

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Speaker 1: We already know that from his rookie season. So you know,

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Speaker 1: all that needs to be corrected, if you will, with

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Speaker 1: And only time will tell if that's going to be

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Speaker 1: the case once the Giants get the training camp and

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Speaker 1: then the preseason and the regular season. But right now,

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Speaker 1: the guy's skills have clearly not diminished. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: a young player who's entering his third NFL season. Why

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Speaker 1: should they it's a show me league, So you know,

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Speaker 1: guys are not going to really make the true statement

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Speaker 1: until we get on the football field and embrace the

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Speaker 1: physicality and actually get involved in games. So right now,

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Speaker 1: obviously the coaching staff is monitoring these players and making

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Speaker 1: sure that you know, everybody is following protocol and keeping

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Speaker 1: themselves engaged within the program. In terms of some of

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Speaker 1: the highlights from today's practice, the quarterbacks alternated, which is

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Speaker 1: no surprise. Youav Eli Manning. You have Davis Webb, you

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Speaker 1: have Kyle Loletta. You also have Alex Tanny, who we

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Speaker 1: the way, Loletto was running fourth. Davis Webb throw a

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Speaker 1: really nice ball down the right sideline to calif Raymond.

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Speaker 1: said that he's been continuing to show progress and he

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Speaker 1: looked good today. But once again, and this is important

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Speaker 1: to emphasize, no matter how many times we talked about

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Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks, you can only take so much away

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Speaker 1: during individual drills. This is not necessarily the end all

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Speaker 1: be all and a sign of what's yet to come,

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Speaker 1: It's simply slight progression day in and day out. That's

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Speaker 1: all it is for me. The play of the day

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Speaker 1: he had the nice total raymid which Raymid could not

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Speaker 1: Webb was extremely sharp today. He looked really really good,

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Speaker 1: but then again he usually does. Uh, so that was

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Speaker 1: not a surprise. Other plays of the day for me

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Speaker 1: lot of rave reviews from his fellow teammates, who applauded

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Speaker 1: lot of energy out there for guys who you know

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Speaker 1: would hope to see that it's ot a number one.

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Speaker 1: That is true. If they don't have the energy today, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I think we're all in trouble. And then there was

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Speaker 1: job intercepted by Chandler. He's a free agent rookie out

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Speaker 1: back from a lot of anniversity in his career. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm forgetting what his first name is, Chandler. Chandler, Chandler,

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Speaker 1: Shan Chandler Shan Chandler. There you go. Um. So he

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Speaker 1: is in Pennsylvania, Lloyd, what's happening? Hey, good morning, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Um longtime a little call for a reason. I wanted

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Speaker 1: and I've already seen a lot of progress. But they've

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Speaker 1: the running game, actually utilizing a running game that will

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Speaker 1: offensive line has gone through a major upgrade, not just

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Speaker 1: a small one, but a major upgrade. Solder Hernandez, you

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Speaker 1: has not been finalized or confirmed, but that would be

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Speaker 1: one less week that they would be here practicing in

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Speaker 1: East Rutherford. We do know they'll start somewhere in the

433
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Speaker 1: vicinity of the mid twenties in July. We believe, again

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Speaker 1: not confirmed, that maybe July or so would probably be

435
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Speaker 1: a good target date for them to begin practicing. But

436
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Speaker 1: you will then have to wait until giants dot com

437
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Speaker 1: posts the official schedule because not every one of the

438
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Speaker 1: training camp practices is open to the public. Some of

439
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Speaker 1: them are actually closed because they have other events going

440
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Speaker 1: on at the Meadowlands, which means they can't have Giants

441
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 1: fans coming at the same time. Let's say that there's

442
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Speaker 1: a Taylor Swift concert going on at the stadium, So no,

443
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: it happens, it does happen. They have other events here,

444
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: so they can't open it up to the fans because

445
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 1: they're talking a lot becomes overcrowded, um so in any event,

446
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 1: but be watching for it. Trust me. As soon as

447
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 1: I find word, I'll get it out on Twitter to you.

448
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: And and one more thing, probably, I really would love

449
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Speaker 1: you to consider being an offensive coordinative for US. I

450
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: mean you need to. You need to. I mean you,

451
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Speaker 1: you Google man, We need to see you out on

452
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Speaker 1: that sideline someday. Well, here's the good news. I am

453
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: on the sideline most of the time during road games,

454
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Speaker 1: behind the bench, going up and down between the tens.

455
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Speaker 1: But no, no, I appreciate your time and your thoughts,

456
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Speaker 1: and I thank you very much. But you know what,

457
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Speaker 1: the lifespan of a coach and the GM not nearly

458
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Speaker 1: the lifespan of an a noun, sir, So I like

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Speaker 1: the sea where that's and aaron instead of the O C,

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Speaker 1: he's the O G. I think the O G carries

461
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Speaker 1: more weight than the O C anyway, So you know,

462
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Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't worry about him needing the title

463
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Speaker 1: in that department. I appreciate the phone, yes, the honorary

464
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Speaker 1: O C, but V O G when it comes to

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Speaker 1: our labels here, Oh my goodness. I just I'm impressed

466
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Speaker 1: that you threw out Taylor Swift. I thought maybe you're

467
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Speaker 1: gonna go with some other artists. I mean, you could

468
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Speaker 1: have went anywhere in the spectrum. You could have even said,

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Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen's performing at MetLife Stadium. I couldn't say that

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. I'm I'm a little surprised. I'm trying to

471
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Speaker 1: compress your opening up your horizon. The young people are

472
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Speaker 1: tuning into the show on the web, the iod, and

473
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Speaker 1: so I'm trying to give them a young name that

474
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Speaker 1: could recognize. Okay, all right, I thought maybe this was

475
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Speaker 1: also an inkling of what you tune in during your

476
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Speaker 1: power walks. No, no, okay, no, no, maybe manning a

477
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Speaker 1: little bit more in the rotation power walks, folks for

478
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Speaker 1: those who really wanted, all well, we're all dying to know.

479
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Speaker 1: You got, you got, you gotta get. You're gonna get

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Speaker 1: the Jersey ball ways, four seasons, you're got. You're gonna

481
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Speaker 1: get Springsteen. Okay, Uh, you're gonna get a little Tim

482
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Speaker 1: McGraw and Faith Hill okay country really really, oh man,

483
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Speaker 1: they're awesome. Well, if everybody knows Faith Hill is my

484
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Speaker 1: celebrity crush, yes, she's She's just awesome. Yes, So that's

485
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Speaker 1: that's what you usually get on not a motown guy.

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Speaker 1: I do like motown, mown, I do like Motown, but

487
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Speaker 1: they don't make it onto the power Walk selection. They

488
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Speaker 1: don't make it, okay, because you don't like the four tops.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a nice rhythm too. I'm a big drifters,

490
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Speaker 1: big drifters guy. Okay, all right, love drifters. Very nice.

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Speaker 1: We're learning, we're opening up, we're expanding our horizons to

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Speaker 1: Sara one night, four or five one three, Let's get

493
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Speaker 1: back to the line, Stops says in Washington, Stops, what's happening? Hey,

494
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Speaker 1: what's up guys? How are you do all right? How

495
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Speaker 1: thinks of you? Hi? Good? Good? Hey? So check this out.

496
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Speaker 1: So last night I'm watching the two thousand seven NFCY

497
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Speaker 1: Championship with my daughter, right and this play. I'm watching

498
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: this play and it's crazy how current how you get

499
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: conditioned as Giants fans out because I know, obviously we

500
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: know what the outcome of this game. And I'm watching

501
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: the Giants backed up on the third on their own

502
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: third yard line, and green bayes and math blitz. They're

503
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: they're they're sending the house. I see our Manny shift

504
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 1: hedgecom remember hedgecock shift them over, shift them over to

505
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: the right side, snap the ball. Green Bay sends the

506
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Speaker 1: house at them, the Giant and I and I kind

507
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: of cringe like they're gonna get them right because I'm

508
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 1: used to that. And they pick up the blitz and

509
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: it it was like I got to this fear enough

510
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: relief even though I know the outcome of this game.

511
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: And then Eli man he zips the ball down the

512
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: sideline fifteen yards, tips flax convers to get the first down,

513
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: and I started thinking to myself, the real X factor

514
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 1: in our old line right now is a well mad

515
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: because if we got we know what we got any solder,

516
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,679
Speaker 1: you know, I hope we know what we got with really, Hernandez.

517
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: We know that our center is gonna be serviceable. But

518
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: if if all we have to worry about is a

519
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Speaker 1: right tackle, we can support that. Well, there's only one

520
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Speaker 1: If our right tackle is is let stand serviceable, Let's

521
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: just say whever it is, you could always shift protection

522
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: one way. If you only have to worry about again,

523
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a first strong side right formation anyway,

524
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: which means he's gonna have tight end help on that

525
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: side most of the time exactly. And he started thinking, like,

526
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: you know, oh, Marmy is the X factor. Well, Marmy

527
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: comes out and just holds his own at guard and

528
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: we don't have to worry about him being the help

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Speaker 1: for the right tackle, and he can make sure that

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Speaker 1: he's sure ensuring that the pocket doesn't close up on

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning. Because it was a thing of beauty just

532
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: to see Eli Manning stands tall back there and be

533
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Speaker 1: able to plant his feet and drive a ball down.

534
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen that in a long time. Isn't it

535
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Speaker 1: amazing how young Eli Manning looks when he has past

536
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Speaker 1: protection that was also years ago. Let's put the perspective

537
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Speaker 1: a little, you get the pot has to be o momy,

538
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Speaker 1: because I feel like from luft to right, we kind

539
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Speaker 1: of know what we got. Oh Mammy would be the

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Speaker 1: one person that I'd say to me, it's at is

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Speaker 1: a good it's it's a good pickup, but it's to

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Speaker 1: be seen, like, you know, because you know, he was

543
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: also replaced, you know, and so I look at it like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: if he comes out and performs at at at a

545
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Speaker 1: at a decent level, we should be pretty solid having

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, making with with having taken in

547
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: the backfield and making safeties. Have to respect that, you know.

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00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: I really feel like like this guy, say Kom Bartney,

549
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: should get about complete yards. Understand understand that. I want

550
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: to make this clear to anybody who doesn't have awareness

551
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, oh Mommy was was allowed to go

552
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: free agent by the Jaguars, but they replaced them with

553
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: the highest paid guard in football and an All Pro

554
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: in Norwell. And so that is not at all to

555
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: demean or disrespect Omamy because Ommy is an upgrade for

556
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Speaker 1: the Giants, but Norwell is an upgrade overall Mommy, and

557
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: I think everybody would understand that. I mean, just because

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Speaker 1: you know he doesn't match up to Norhell doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: he's not a good No. No, I agree. I'm Morgan

560
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: turned out he was an upgrade and he was a

561
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Speaker 1: left guard, and now he's going to be more than

562
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: like right Well. He started he started off his career

563
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: as a right guard and then he moved to the

564
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: left guard with Jacksonville. So he's not experienced on both sides,

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00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 1: so they can, yeah, moving him to both sides, which

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Speaker 1: they are gonna do during the course of our days

567
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: and training camp. I mean, to me, I think the

568
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: X factors DOS is more just the stability on the

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Speaker 1: right side of the offensive line, because if you go

570
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: back to years past, you know you've had movement with

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00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: Jerry and Flucker and hard where if they could get

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00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: to a point, Paul where you've got oh, mom Ay

573
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Speaker 1: or Hernandez whoever, they solidify in that right guard spot

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00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: playing next to Eric Flowers or Wheeler whoever wins that

575
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: right tackle spot, and it's consistent and there's no injuries.

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00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: That to me is gonna be huge for the Giants

577
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: because it's really been a game of musical chairs over

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00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: the last few years. You know, here's the one problem.

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Speaker 1: And of course reality does not allow this to be

580
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: a variable anymore. I remember corona Us back in the

581
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: eight he said to me, and this was before free

582
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: agency and all of the movement that we have in

583
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: the league today. He said, you know, it really takes

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Speaker 1: almost into your third season as an offensive line unit

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00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: for those five to really develop air tight, crazy glue

586
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of chemistry. Well, guess what today's NFL. You can't

587
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: do that anymore. It's you gotta do it. You gotta

588
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: do it like a month. You know, you got a

589
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: month of training camp and then guess what week one

590
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: is here, and you better be ready to play. And

591
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: and it's not even it's not just a month of

592
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: training camp. They got a diluted training camp. Yes, yes,

593
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: training camp at least gave you real physicality. You can

594
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: scrimmage against yourself and go full on, full contact and

595
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: work on those techniques. Right now, they're punching a ball well.

596
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: And and that's why Stars, that's why I'm saying the

597
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: health of the right side of the offensive line is

598
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: going to be so important because think about all the

599
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: reps you get in games. That's where you build the

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00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: chemistry because you're not doing a lot of it during

601
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: the week, and you're certainly not doing a lot of

602
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: it during training camp. We haven't talked to coach Hermer

603
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: about this because it's too early to do so, but

604
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I would invite you to play very close attention to

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00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: how many snaps the starting five offensive linemen get during

606
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: the four preseason games, because in my mind, they should

607
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: get more than what you normally might consider giving them. Yeah,

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00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: I think that's uh, certainly a valid point, especially you

609
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Speaker 1: know you're gonna look to give the quarterbacks behind Elne

610
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: Manning as much experience, you might as well put them

611
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: behind an offensive line that could give them much chance

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00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: to survey the field and throw the ball. Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: Eli has always been a heady quarterback, Like he's never

614
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: been Oh I got wheels. Eli got he should outthink you.

615
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: But you've got to protect them. And that's always like

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Speaker 1: I've always been frustrated when you hit these commentans or

617
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: Eli Man, he's gone declined, you know, Man, is this

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, do you look at every other stand.

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Speaker 1: He's also hit all the time, and he listens because

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00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: Eli Manned to get hit as much as you're getting

621
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Speaker 1: hit and still have the set can fastest the third

622
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: fastest release of the ball. That's that's a lineman like

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Speaker 1: you gotta really look at these factors. Protect that man

624
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: and I know for a fact he still has about

625
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: three years in them easy if you give him protection. Well,

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00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: that's the idea. Appreciate the phone call. Thanks, Thanks. So

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00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: we've talked about this time and time again. The factors

628
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: around the quarterback are going to influence the quarterbacks production.

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Speaker 1: And Eli Manning is not unique, Paul, because if you've

630
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: watched Philip Rivers in years where he hasn't had an

631
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: offensive line, the offensive production has also diminished. Joe Flacco

632
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: is an example. When ray Rice was lost and their

633
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: offensive line was banged up. Ryan Tannehill, when the Dolphins

634
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: gave him a good offensive line, he actually was productive.

635
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: When you have an offensive line, he was a completely

636
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: different quarterback. It sounds so simplistic to say if the

637
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't have protection, or if he doesn't have the receivers,

638
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: or if he doesn't have the running game, you know,

639
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: what is he supposed to do back there? Well, what

640
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Speaker 1: makes the guys really terrific and what has Elie terrific

641
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: is that in most cases, when maybe one of those

642
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: areas wasn't as up to snuff as it needed to be,

643
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: he could still function and help you win games and

644
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: be competitive. But what we've seen these last few years

645
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: is a whole conglomeration of things falling apart around him,

646
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: not just one of you know, not just a pass

647
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: pro wasn't very good, not just all isolated. The running

648
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: game wasn't very good, not so isolated, they didn't have

649
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: a lot of good receivers. No, all of these things

650
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: together around Elie have basically created a perfect storm to

651
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: do everything to sabotage him, if you will, And to

652
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: be honest, it's it's really to his credit that he

653
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: has not allowed the quarterback play to drop as much

654
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: as the other factors probably should have. To be honest, well,

655
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: and listen, there's always going to be exceptions to the rule.

656
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers that was pretty much the lone exception because

657
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: he's been playing with an offensive line that has been

658
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: far from stable over the course of his career. But

659
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: the reason if you're yeah, he's a unique player exactly.

660
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 1: The guy's mobility enables him to extend plays he can

661
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: create on his own, and he also probably in my opinion,

662
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: throws the ball from one side of the field to

663
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: the other more effectively than any other quarterback in the league.

664
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: When you could do yeah, you can patch up those

665
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: holes and you don't make them seem as bigger as

666
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: perhaps they are on a weekly basis. And I haven't

667
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: looked at the drop counts over the last few years,

668
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: but it just seems to me the Packers are one

669
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: of those teams that doesn't usually drop the ball very much.

670
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: He's their guys will hold onto it, and he's had

671
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: the blessing of being surrounded by a lot of good,

672
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: polished wide receivers, even the young guys who have come in.

673
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Davante Adams for exactly, has made a name for himself

674
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: fairly quickly, so you can buy that tight end play

675
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: two has helped him as well. Let's add back to

676
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: the phone lines, and unfortunately we gotta turn to Charlie

677
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: and Portland. By Charlie, what's happened? I'm still really concerned

678
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: about the offensive line. Stunned, stunning development out of che

679
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: did not see that coming blown away by that statement

680
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: for the simple reason we have no depth. The soldier

681
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: goes down for two or three games, what do we got, Charlie,

682
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: I think I think you'd being shortsighted here because I

683
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: agree with you with tackle right now, if Flowers works out,

684
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: then Wheeler is the third guy and and that could

685
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: potentially still be okay. But where it gets really slight, okay,

686
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: is the fourth tackle. So if Flowers doesn't work out

687
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: and Wheeler has to start, now Nick Beckton's your next

688
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: guy up. I understand your concern there, okay, but they've

689
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: got plenty of guards and they've got some centers here,

690
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't necessarily think depth around the

691
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: entire line is as big a deal as you think

692
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, plus Jerry for examples, Well, then just

693
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: say tackle, say depth of tackle concerns. You don't say

694
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: offensive line. Well, and Charlie, in fairness, listen, we've had

695
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: this conversation in in previous years because you've made the

696
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: same point, and maybe there was more validity in previous

697
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: seasons because there wasn't nearly as much debt. But this

698
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: is what I've told you I said, look across the NFL.

699
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: You show me every team that's got a starting caliber

700
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: left tackle as the backup, so when the starter goes down,

701
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: they feel fine that everything is gonna be Charlie spoiled though,

702
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: because I remember the days when Bob Whitfield was here,

703
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: Sean Andrews was here, Sean Lockley was here. It was

704
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: great to have those guys as the swing tackle. That

705
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: doesn't happen in since this league anymore. Yeah. But but

706
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: what I'm it's not just we have to bring in

707
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: a vet for the mandatory. How about I want to

708
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: ask you one thing, Paul. You know is we supposedly

709
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: signed this guy named Bunch from the Arena Football League.

710
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: He's a guy who had a lot of potential. He's

711
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: never looked up to it. He's like, you know, six six,

712
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: let me look at his l A. Yeah, So have

713
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: you been watching him? Have you seen anything from this guy?

714
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: Do you think he has some potential to to fill

715
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: in as a swing tackle or or as a backup

716
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: with some good depth or have you not enough? I

717
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: did not even watch him today, to be perfectly frank

718
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: with you, I was watching too many other things to

719
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: really give him a look um, they listed him at

720
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: six five three twenty Okay, that's that's what they're listing

721
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: him as. Uh. They also are listing him as as

722
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: Lance just said, as a guard. They're not listing him

723
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: as a tar. We've got so many guards for god.

724
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, I know. I'm not

725
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: going to disagree with that point. They had out of

726
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: Businesvanti and then he was waived. Detroit claimed him because

727
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: you were looking at Businesvoti, Wheeler Flowers and then remember

728
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: you know Flowers can still serve as also a backup

729
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 1: at left tackle too. He's an option given he played there.

730
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: You can't cross that off just like Stick was moved. Well,

731
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: I listen, I'm not saying that it's the ideal. You's

732
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: got to give this man a heart attack, not talk

733
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: about Flowers, and that would beat my goal on this

734
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: program to give him a heart That's not nice, I know,

735
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: but you know what, I can't hold myself back from

736
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: the singers. But anyway, getting back to the point at

737
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: hand here, Yeah, I I agree with you that there

738
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: is some concern because there's not a whole lot of

739
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: substance behind Nate Soldier in terms of just pure experience,

740
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: even a guy like Wheeler. I mean, Wheeler hasn't had

741
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: a lot of on field game experience. So I get

742
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, Charlie. That's why they've got to

743
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: start evaluating these guys once you get to training camp

744
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: and see what they could provide. Charlie, trust me, Gettleman

745
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 1: is a guy who loves the trenches. You know that.

746
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: You see that he's already done what he could to

747
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: improve the team to this point. Don't you think his

748
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 1: radar is out there right now that if there's any

749
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: veteran who pops free who he thinks can help, he's

750
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: going to talk to that guy. You gotta believe that, Charlie.

751
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you went through this entire conversation without naming

752
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: a guy that's clearly on the market right now that plays.

753
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: It's really not there's a guy on the market that's

754
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: played left tackle and waiting to come in, that's waiting

755
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: to come Put put that one aside. Put that one aside.

756
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: You must admit the list is Sparks. Well, I'm wait

757
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: a minute, why did you watch you short change him?

758
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: He actually now has three Super Bowls. I can't believe

759
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: Charlie's not even Charlie's now cutting him short on? He

760
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: got another ring, Charlie, you could boost his resume. Now,

761
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Know? He didn't get two with

762
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: the Giants. He wasn't. He didn't get two o seven.

763
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: He wasn't with the Giants in two thousand seven? Was he?

764
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: Are we short changing him? No? Okay, no, no, no,

765
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: he You're fooling me. You're right, I'm getting caught up

766
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: in him. I'm getting caught up in him, trying to

767
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: zing you. He came right after thousand nine. He was

768
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: not on. He came after, so he's got he's got too.

769
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: I thought Charlie had mentioned two with the Giants. That's

770
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: why I thought he was Overlook, you sucked me into that. Well, okay, ahead,

771
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: is that all? Hey? That's never all I'm saying it is. Hey, Paul,

772
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: do you get to ask Sturmer questions or get him

773
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: into questions? Ask him what do you think of your

774
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: depth on your tackle situation? Just ask him that. Okay,

775
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: it's kind of early to tell, don't you think? Well,

776
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate your concerned, but until these guys

777
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: actually get out and start hitting, I mean any of

778
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: these fellows who we don't know about, we're not going

779
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: to know about until they hit Yeah. Well, at least

780
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: maybe he'll say, well, I really like this guy or

781
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: this guy or that guy. All Right, we'll see what

782
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: we can do, like Howell or Well and Howell. I'm

783
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: glad you brought him up because I was literally I

784
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: was just perusing the roster. I wanted to bring him

785
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: up because he's one of those undrafted guys, raw but

786
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: very raw, I think, intriguing just to see what he

787
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: can do. Sometimes the guy will surprise you. And I'm

788
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: not making bold declarations here, but remember Andrew Norwell was

789
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: a guy in Carolina that nobody knew it. Realistically speaking,

790
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna need at least a year of

791
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: coaching before he's got a chance to really do anything.

792
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: He needs a lot of work. And that's not to

793
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: disparage him in any way, but it looked to me

794
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: like at Missouri when he, by the way, was a

795
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: platoon packle his last season at Missouri. Uh, it didn't

796
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: look like they did a lot to prepare him for

797
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: the NFL. Let's just say that. Well, but let's say this,

798
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: if he is a year away of coaching. Then that

799
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: means that on nineteen, when Charlie calls up with the

800
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: same concern, your answer could be, Howel's ready to go?

801
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: Maybe okay? So there is a silver lining to this guy. Yes,

802
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: absolutely to zero one night three for a five on

803
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: three hashtag giants chat on Twitter. Let's take a look

804
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: at Twitter also, because I know there's a lot of

805
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: you that weigh in on the conversation, you're have an

806
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to get to the For those who don't know

807
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: How's coming out of Missouri six pounds, he is quite

808
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: the physical specimen, you know, in in in a way

809
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: little soft, but he's got the similar building makeup to Solder.

810
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: To be perfectly frank with you, but again, he was

811
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: a platoon tackle. He started as a junior and was

812
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: a platoon tackle last year at Missouri, and it just

813
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: looked like he needs a tremendous amount of coaching and

814
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: technique work. And I just don't think realistically you can

815
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: expect to get him up to snuff in just a

816
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: couple of months, especially given that the cb A won't

817
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: allow them to do much. I mean, listen, clearly, Flowers

818
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: and Wheeler are the two options as backups at left tackle.

819
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: As it stands, there's no question without even seeing anything

820
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: on the field and padding right now, I mean those

821
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: are your number two options. Yeah. Again, you see what

822
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: you can get beyond that out of some of these

823
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: other young guys. But if you just look over the

824
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: roster right now, Paul, and you just look at all

825
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: the tackles, it's Solder, it's Wheeler, it's Flowers, and its Howl.

826
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean those are all four of the guys that

827
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: are listed to tackle. Everybody else's is mainly an interior officer.

828
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: Nick Nick was second team left tackle this morning. Now,

829
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: I know Beckton has seen work. I'm just curious because

830
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: on the roster here they have becked in. I'm looking

831
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: at the one online if you find it quicker on

832
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: your sheet, because I don't believe that they are listing here.

833
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: They're listening strictly as O L offensively Okay, so sort

834
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: of a generic label at we're probably going to see him,

835
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: I would say, a guard, maybe end tackle as they

836
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: continue to line him up. So he's one of those

837
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: guys that falls into the tweeter, the in between rage.

838
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: But everybody else in the most part, maybe you could

839
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: flip flop him at guard. You can move somebody maybe

840
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: over to center, but not a lot of these guards,

841
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: to me, have the experience that you're gonna shift them

842
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: all the way outside the interior offensive line. There are

843
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: there are enough of guys here who I believe can

844
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: adequately fill out the depth chart. It is the tackle

845
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: spot that's then. Charlie's right about that. But you gotta

846
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: be specific when you when you make the comments. So

847
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: I think we got him squared away absolutely. There's another

848
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: question on Twitter here from n y g Man two

849
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: about the joint practices between the lines and the Giants,

850
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: and I know you alluded to it. It's pure speculation

851
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: at this point. Nothing has been confirmed or solidified. But

852
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: if you just want to look at a comparison, remember

853
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: when Tom Coughlin was still here, they did a joint

854
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: Giants Bengals practice. Remember when they went out to Sinse.

855
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: So that was done not too long ago, and that

856
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: was built in in connection to a preseason game. By

857
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: the way, the Detroit preseason game is out in Michigan

858
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: on August the seventeen, so it would be be that

859
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: week leading into that game. The Lions have been very

860
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 1: public and vocal about saying they are looking for a

861
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: preseason practice partner for one of their preseason weeks. Again,

862
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: the Giants are are are not have not finalized anything

863
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: that they're going to be the team. The Lions, though,

864
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: have been very public about saying they'd like somebody, which

865
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: is what I think has led to a lot of

866
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: speculation because obviously, if you're gonna have somebody in, it's

867
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: got to be a home preseason game, and and that

868
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: is a home preseason game for Detroit. And it would

869
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: also be two teams that have brand new head coaches,

870
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: so they're looking for sometimes and don't play each other

871
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: during the regular season. So it makes sense considering what

872
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: we've seen across the NFL, I think to me, it's

873
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: been a trend. I mean, you've got a number of

874
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: them popping up every single off season where teams just

875
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: feel like they could get more out of going up

876
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: against other players than their own players. You get tired

877
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: of doing Giants over the years, I've seen them. Well,

878
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: it did it with the Jets one year up at Albany,

879
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: and the Jets caused trouble, which didn't surprise me. Uh.

880
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: They also had the Bengals as you mentioned in Cincinnati.

881
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: Many years ago, they were up at Brian University in

882
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: Rhode Island and had a dual practice with Belichick and

883
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: the Patriots. That goes back quite a ways. Um, but

884
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: those are the only three dual practice sessions that I

885
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 1: can remember in recent memory between the Giants and other teams. Uh. Maybe,

886
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: as you say, as it's becomes more popular, the Giants

887
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: will get involved more, you know, into that deal. Let's

888
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: add back to the phone lines. Victor is in Florida, VIC.

889
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: What's happening how you guys act? This is a question

890
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: for Ball because she's an old timer, so so am I.

891
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm happy that the Giants UH drafted all these uh

892
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: top prayers, which I think they will improve the Giants tremendously.

893
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: But Paul, do you remember spid a lot of cars? Okay,

894
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: listen to this. In I met him and I spoke

895
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: to him and Mama Lione in New York, you remember there.

896
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're still there or not. And

897
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: he told me we were talking about when the hell

898
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: of the Giants ever going to get into the super Bowl,

899
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: because you know, I was, you know, really waiting for

900
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: them to do something good and he says, let me

901
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: tell you something. Within the next five years, they're gonna

902
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: win the first Super Bowl, and before you go, they

903
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: was six. And that aren't my words. And I shook

904
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: his end. He gave me his autograph and I said,

905
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: bye bye, Spider, I love you. So I figured out

906
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: I'll let you guys know that. Yeah. Well, the shame

907
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: of it is vic Uh, Spider came down with cancer

908
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: and passed away, uh during the calendar years, so he

909
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: never got to see them win Super Bowl twenty one

910
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: against the Denver Broncos. Um. I never got a chance

911
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: to meet Spider, and I'll be honest with you, I'm

912
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: sad about it because I hear what a great guy.

913
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: He was a legend around these Giants parts for sure.

914
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: Uh And and any of his teammates who I've come

915
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: to become friendly with over the years all tell me

916
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: just to find his things for him. That's why it

917
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: was George Martin, the defensive end, who suggested to the

918
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: Giants at the time in six can we memorialize him

919
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: with the Spider patch on the shoulder, which, of course

920
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, which you know is on all the photos

921
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: from the Super bowling. My call, I love you guys.

922
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: I love your show and and I hope the Giants

923
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: will at least I'll tell you what, don't make the

924
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: playoffs this year, but Nick shere super Bowl. That's my take. Appreciated.

925
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 1: Lockard was a spindily, wiry, undersized free safety who made

926
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: uh several All Pro Pro Bowl teams those days. I

927
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: can't remember if they differentiated All Pro and Pro Bowl.

928
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: He was on like, I believe, three or Pro Pro

929
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: Bowl teams. Not all pros, but three Pro Bowl teams. Um.

930
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: Heck of a player. And and the thing about it

931
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: was they called him Spider because he was so thin

932
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: and wiry and spindley. But he hit. I mean, you

933
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: would have loved him Lance because you know the commutative frame.

934
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: But he stuck his nose in there. Man. He went

935
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: after guys. Never never afraid at all. I mean I

936
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: watched him as a player, but never it. Never got

937
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: to meet him, unfortunately, and that's that's a regret. Two

938
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls played for the Giants from five to nineteen

939
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: seventy five, third round pick round excuse me in nineteen

940
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: sixty five, that was when the draft was about seventeen

941
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: years and to tell me to get through inspirer. Heck

942
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: of a player, though, heck of a player, I mean

943
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: during knows that that, let's face it, that's a very

944
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: dim period in Giants history. And he was one of

945
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: the few guys who you could hang your hat on

946
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: because he was going to go all out every play,

947
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: every game, and it was really fun to watch. Yeah,

948
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: he was a Pro bowler for the second time in

949
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. That was his second time, So really

950
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: he became a pro bowler immediately because if he came

951
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: into the league in nineteen sixty five, Paul and his

952
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: second Pro Bowl appearance was sixty eight. I mean, right

953
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: out of the gates. He made an impact. He was

954
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: and even after that he was still a very good player,

955
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, and in fact, you could probably argue that

956
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I again, he wasn't the biggest guy in

957
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: the world. He was rather commutative and and that's why

958
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: he eventually retired when he did. He probably had some

959
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: more time left. I would love to have seen him

960
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: play a Giant stadium in seventy six when he opened

961
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: the new building. He never made it to that point.

962
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: He retired after the seventy five season, which was the

963
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: one year the Giants played at Chase Stadium. Never got

964
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: to play at the Meadowlands. Neither did the Ron Johnson,

965
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: who was the superstar running back twice thousand yard Russia

966
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: during those times. Seventy five Shase Stadium was his last season,

967
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: but he had bad knees. He was badly beaten up

968
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: and it was just injured to the point where he

969
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: had had enough. Uh, Spider. Spider probably had some more

970
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: mileage in him. First Pro Bowl appearance was nineteen sixties

971
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 1: six is I'm looking at it. It's a second season

972
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: in league. He immediately made the Pro Bowl. It makes

973
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: sure you think of what Landon Collins has done so

974
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: early in his career after different body type for ship,

975
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: different body type. But I'm just saying the immediacy of

976
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: the impact across the roster. Two zero one four or

977
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 1: five one three is the telephone number. You can also

978
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: weigh in on Twitter hashtag Giants Chat if you can't

979
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: get to the phone. Certainly we want to hear from

980
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: you on Twitter as we are recapping O t A

981
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: number one in case you're just joining us. Pat Shermer

982
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: did it dressed the media earlier today and we went

983
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: over some highlights Earlier in the program, Eli Apple and

984
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: Patrick o'mama were scheduled to be meeting with the media

985
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: as we speak right now, and Jonathan Stewart also addressed

986
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: the media poll and we had an opportunity to hear

987
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: him before we had to come in for the show,

988
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: and you know, speaking of durability and how many more

989
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: years in my legy you get out of him. He

990
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: was asked a lot of questions about, well, you're thirty

991
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: one years old right now, and you played with the Panthers,

992
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: you split time with D'Angelo Williams. You know, what does

993
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: he think he has left in the tank. And you

994
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: know he feels by splitting time with Carolina and not

995
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: having the lead back roll every single year that that

996
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: will at least allow him to smoothly transition in with

997
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 1: the likes of Wayne Gallman as well as say Kawan

998
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: Barkley here with the Giants. Well, you're talking about a

999
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: guy who, again like William Gay, he's got the better

1000
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: part of a decade in the NFL, has seen it all,

1001
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: has been a primary back as rush for a thousand

1002
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 1: yards in this league before ice in his first couple

1003
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: of years, ran for ten touchdowns in a given season.

1004
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: In fact, even the last few years, he was a

1005
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: touchdown gobbler, if you will, with McCaffrey. So you know

1006
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: he's he has performed in a number of different roles

1007
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: for a Carolina team that has had some pretty productive offenses.

1008
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: And certainly Dave Gettlman understood not only what he could

1009
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: bring to the table on the field, but what he

1010
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: could bring to the locker room. And I said the

1011
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: first day when he was signed, he will be a

1012
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: good character guy for the young fellows in that running

1013
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: backs room. And I don't think there's any doubt about it. Yeah,

1014
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: And they could use that because I mean, Wayne Goldman's

1015
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: young and Barkley just arrived. So remember Paul Perkins and

1016
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: there's so you take that into consideration. Stewart fits that

1017
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: role at least regardless of questionalized him on the field.

1018
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: And to your point, I mean, you're talking about a

1019
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: running back who has had at least six touchdowns in

1020
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: each of the last three seasons with Caroline. He had

1021
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: nine in two thousand sixteen. And can we not forget, say,

1022
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley is coming off a year where he had

1023
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of touches at Penn State, Okay, everybody thinks

1024
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna put up great numbers, and I understand that,

1025
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: so do why. I know, the Giants certainly hope he does.

1026
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: But the guys coming into his rookie NFL season, how

1027
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: many rookies have you seen in your short career cover

1028
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: in the National Football League? That comes the tent twelve

1029
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: week of the season, they hit that rookie wall. I mean,

1030
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, It's like, wait a minute. We

1031
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: played twelve games in college. We didn't really have an

1032
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: off season because we trained like hell for the combine.

1033
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: Then we got drafted, then we had to go through

1034
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: whatever we had to go through to get coached up,

1035
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: and now we're playing games. All of a sudden, it

1036
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: gets to the tent tent twelve week of the of

1037
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: the NFL season. A lot of these rookies, their tongue

1038
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: is hanging down to the floor. So if Stewart can

1039
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: take some of that load off, especially some of the

1040
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: blood and guts smashing between the tackles and short yardage

1041
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: and along the goal line, if he can take some

1042
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: of that away from Barkley, that might allow Barkley to

1043
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: preserve a little juice for sixteen games well, and in

1044
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: today's NFL it's very rare that you have one back

1045
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: that does have a shot the heavy lifting. So you know,

1046
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: the Giants obviously it's a copycat league. They're looking around

1047
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: the league. I think in an ideal Coleman can help

1048
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: as well. But you know, the model right now, I

1049
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: think is what the Saints did last year, Paul with

1050
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: mark Ingram and then drafting Alvin Kamara. You know, that,

1051
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: to me is the ideal situation for most teams because

1052
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: number one, they're two different backs. Okay, their style of

1053
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 1: running is different, so that is a perfect compliment. And

1054
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: then number two, you saw that both guys made the

1055
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, which that was unique. And that doesn't mean

1056
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: that you have to have two guys make the Pro Bowl,

1057
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: but you've had production when both of them were on

1058
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: the field, regardless of the different formations. And when you

1059
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: can mix and match running backs and the production stays

1060
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: the same, you're doing something right. And that's where I

1061
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: think the Giants want to get that. Whether it's Goleman,

1062
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: whether it's Stewart, whether it's Barkley, the defense is on

1063
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: its toes because they don't necessarily know what the play

1064
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: is going to be. All of those guys can pick

1065
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: and choose whatever options they have based on the play call.

1066
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: And that's where I think the Giants want again. So

1067
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: you know, Stewart to me, is not just this guy

1068
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a teacher in the room, you know,

1069
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: giving direction in film study. I still think he could

1070
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: be a red zone threat and somebody that, like you said,

1071
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: even if he takes three or four carries away from

1072
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: each guy, Hey, you know what, over the course of

1073
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: the season that ends up. Well, let me put you

1074
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: this way. Stewart can catch the ball out of the backfield.

1075
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: It's not like he has not utilized to do that

1076
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: as not. But he's got the skill set to do it,

1077
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: and he certainly knows how to pass protect. Okay, but

1078
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: look at the Giants right now. You don't know on

1079
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: any given play if Ingram is gonna be a tight

1080
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: end or a wide receiver. So that can be a

1081
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: little bit of a matchup problem for a defensive coordinator.

1082
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you know on any given play what

1083
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: Barkley is gonna do. Is Barkley gonna carry the ball

1084
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: or is he gonna wind up going out to catch

1085
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: a paddle? In fact, quite frankly, is he going downfield

1086
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: on a wheel route? Don't don't even consider that. Oh

1087
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: if he doesn't run it, it's gonna be a little

1088
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 1: check down, a little dump me. He can go down.

1089
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: So that's down field. That's a big deal. So you know,

1090
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: you're looking at the potential of Angram and Barkley and

1091
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't even play if they're both on the field

1092
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: at the same time. Coordinators and players are gonna have

1093
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: to figure out what are they doing on this play?

1094
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: Are they tight ends and running backs or are they

1095
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers? And I think that's good. He's got to

1096
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: hold on toward a little bit better. But there's potential there.

1097
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: But there's potential there. So again, the more versatility that

1098
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: you have in the skill positions, in particular, the more

1099
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: headaches you give to the defense. Nick is in Bayville, Nick,

1100
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: what's happening? Well? Nick, Hey, I don't I want to

1101
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: backpedal just a little bit. I call you guys talking

1102
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: about Eli earlier. I'm a huge Eli supporter. I absolutely

1103
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: have nothing but love for him. Um I wanna, I

1104
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: wanna bring it back. When they did an interview with Snacks,

1105
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: I saw where Snacks kind of compared until Lebron. I

1106
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw that. I don't remember

1107
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: now he he kind of went on in comparison that,

1108
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's almost it doesn't matter what Eli what

1109
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: the what numbers Eli puts up? Now? Eli put up numbers,

1110
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: and they could be all right numbers, but for some

1111
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: other quarterback for instance, you know Dak or somebody else,

1112
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: they're phenomenal numbers. He did a great job this season,

1113
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: but when it comes to Eli, he did, Okay, they're

1114
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: just all right numbers. Well, and I I thought I

1115
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: had to hate how that, you know, like it's almost

1116
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: like I understand it's expected of Eli because of you know,

1117
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: I like to say as caliber, but it's kind of like,

1118
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: no matter what the guy does, like, what does he

1119
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: have to do to kind of be looked at as

1120
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, a great quarterback? Well it depends, it depends

1121
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 1: on who you're talking to. To be perfectly honest, only

1122
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: foolish people don't look at Eli Manning is a great quarterback.

1123
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: Those opinions are irrelevant and don't matter because they don't

1124
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: know what they're talking about. The guys, what two empty

1125
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: p's in the Super Bowl? Okay, what more do you want? Well,

1126
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: and I think but and that's kind of what Snacks

1127
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: was saying in this interview. It was on I might

1128
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: have been on like first take with Skip and Shannon

1129
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: or saw something, but he was just saying, you know,

1130
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like like the same thing with Lebron.

1131
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: You know, he puts up great numbers and it's it's yeah,

1132
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: it's it's not really. You know, it wasn't great because

1133
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: it was Lebron, but if it was anybody else, they're

1134
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: phenomenal numbers. And that's how I kind of feel about Eli. Well,

1135
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: but I think I can carry a team on his

1136
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: back well. And it's like, I mean, I I think

1137
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: it's a little different with Lebron too, because of the

1138
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: God debate. I mean, nobody's making a claim that Eli

1139
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: Manning is the greatest quarterback of all times, So I

1140
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: mean the standards are a little bit different. I don't

1141
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: think the criticism is necessarily the same. But what I

1142
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: would say is, you know, with Eli Manning and any

1143
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 1: other quarterback in this league, Nick, you're judge based on

1144
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: the production of the entire offense because the quarterback shoulders

1145
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: so much of the load, so last season in particular.

1146
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just Eli. I mean everybody's numbers

1147
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: were down across the board, and part of that was

1148
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: because they had major injuries to keep positions and keep players.

1149
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: But if you do look at Eli Manning's numbers last season,

1150
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy for people to not necessarily

1151
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: crown him, given the fact that I mean, he had

1152
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: thrown for over four thousand yards. If you just look

1153
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: at him from a statistical standpoint, he had thrown for

1154
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: at least four thousand yards in each of the previous

1155
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: three seasons. He only had just below thirty five hundred.

1156
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: Last season, he had nineteen touchdown passes, when each of

1157
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: the three previous seasons he had at least twenty six.

1158
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, the numbers statistically, we're down last year.

1159
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, it's not crazy to say, you know, well,

1160
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: Eli shouldn't be considered statistically a top five guys. Here's

1161
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 1: the thing. Here's the thing. Okay, I understand his point,

1162
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: and I'm totally on board with this point, but he

1163
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: is also Eli Manning does not statistically put up phenomenal numbers.

1164
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: And I've said this a thousand times. I've got to

1165
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: say it again. It's thanks to your analytics people and

1166
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: your fantasy football people why Eli Manning does not get

1167
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: the credit he deserves because he is not a fantasy

1168
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: football quarterback. And if you're playing fantasy football, should drafted. Okay,

1169
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: if you want to win a football game, especially a

1170
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: big football game in the postseason, you want Elie Manning

1171
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: on your team. But if you're trying to win fan

1172
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: duel or one of those fantasy games, you don't want

1173
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: Eli Manning. But see, the entire world is so enamored

1174
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: with fantasy football and with analytics people that they don't

1175
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: give credit where it's due. Let me tell you something.

1176
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: Football Perspective put out a tweet the other day. They said,

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00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: after a down two thousand seventeen, Eli Manning now has

1178
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: a sixty five point one ERA adjusted career passing rating,

1179
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: the same as Drew Bledsoe and Jim Plunkett. And I

1180
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: said to myself, okay, so bled so In Plunket, you

1181
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,959
Speaker 1: want to quit Eli Manny to those two guys, yeah,

1182
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: Eli Manny's won two Super Bowl m v ps. Those

1183
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: guys didn't, So why did you get off the comparison?

1184
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Case closed I think statistics don't tell the

1185
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: whole Of course, the problem and statistics don't tell the

1186
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: whole story in any sport. Football is not unique. And

1187
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: here's the perfect example. Phil Simms did not have awesome

1188
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: stats either. Phil Simms is a borderline Hall of Famer.

1189
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: ELI is a Hall of Famer. In my mind, I'm

1190
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: sorry he's going. I'm not gonna argue with anybody on that.

1191
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: It's a done deal. And Sims is a borderline Hall

1192
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: of Famer. And the only reason Sims isn't getting in

1193
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: is because his stats don't indicate it. Phil did not

1194
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: have gordy stats. But if you know anything about football

1195
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: and you watch the guy play every single weekend, you

1196
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 1: know Phil Simms absolutely deserves much stronger consideration than he's given. Well,

1197
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: and I wanted to give out a perfect statistic as

1198
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: to why the stat doesn't tell the whole story. I

1199
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: believe I'm right with the year Paul two thousand and

1200
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: ten when ELI had twenty five interceptions. Wasn't that the

1201
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: year where there were at least three or four off

1202
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: of deflections of wide receivers hands, if memory serves me correct,

1203
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you off the top of your head.

1204
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 1: Remember that. I'm just I think I believe it was

1205
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: two thousand ten because thirteen he had twenty seven. But

1206
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't think it was two thousand thirteen. I believe

1207
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: it was a little bit earlier in his career. And

1208
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: two thousand ten. I distinctly remember interceptions, And most people

1209
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: are gonna look at that number. They're gonna be like,

1210
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: interceptions is high, and it is a high number. But

1211
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: if you watched all the games, you would remember, yeah, well,

1212
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: if Eli starting into a wide receiver and it's right

1213
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: where the wide receiver's hands are and it goes off

1214
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: the fingertips of the wide receiver, is that because of

1215
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,959
Speaker 1: a bad decision on the quarterback or is that because

1216
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: of a game situation? Threw seven picks. I remember doing

1217
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: film study on those picks. Okay, nine of them were

1218
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: because either Ruben Randall failed to run the right route,

1219
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: had the ball deflected off his hands, or he just

1220
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: stood there and didn't fight for the ball and let

1221
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: the defensive back habit nine of Well, that's why you

1222
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: have to know the scenarios. You have to watch the

1223
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: game and understand the game. You can't just look at

1224
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: the numbers, which is what fantasy folks do and what

1225
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: analytics people do, and there are guys that certainly earn

1226
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 1: a reputation because of their high passing numbers, and more

1227
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: often than not, those quarterbacks are very good. I'm not

1228
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: saying that stats are completely misleading, but I think if

1229
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna evaluate a guy over the course of his career,

1230
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: you really have had to have watched some of those

1231
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: games and seeing how those games developed and played out

1232
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: to get a better feel for what the quarterback does.

1233
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,880
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1240
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,520
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1241
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